Cultural sterotypes, subversive influences, sexually ambiguous analogies: The X-men

[Twisted Bliss]

Well what can be said about the X-men is in the thread title.

The X-men. A group representative of outsiders. Those outside the mainstream society of the time.

However as times changed the outsiders have become less 'outside' and more mainstream. In reality the rights of women, ethnic groups, and homosexuals have become regonised as good things that were long overdue.

The X-men stood as an analogy for these downtrodden groups of society. The team itself reflected this with American Indians on the team, women on the team, black women on the team, homosexuals on the team.... The representation has evolved as we as a society has evolved.

So whats next. If these marginalised groups have been accepted to an extent (whatever that may be) what is the next boundary that the X-men should cross. Which other group should be represented.

Mentally ill - Well we have Polaris
Disabled - We had Taki... god only knows where he is now
Dumb blondes - We had Skids (a woman who names herself after poopy pants)

Its your favourite comic, you should have a say. Speak damn you people ! Speak ! (Unless you're indicating you want Mutes represented in the X-men)

[AcesX1X]

mentally handicapped - pixie
kleptomania - gambit
dissociative identity disorder - rogue
disfigurement - nightcrawler

[Seres]

How about Blindfold, who represents the blind community? Are all blind people like her?

Miss Sinister represents the transgendered. Miss Sinister, Ultron - do Marvel wish to push the idea that the transgendered community want to destroy society?

[MartinRedmond]

You should read John Byrne's Alpha Flight run. He had a really good variety of character types in it. I think it pretty much covered everything.

[Twisted Bliss]

How about Blindfold, who represents the blind community? Are all blind people like her?

Miss Sinister represents the transgendered. Miss Sinister, Ultron - do Marvel wish to push the idea that the transgendered community want to destroy society?

How would blind people react to know that one of Marvels premier Psi's was blind until it was no longer necessary for her story and she had bionic eyes fitted.

A solution unavailble in the real world.

Would the resident homosexuals appreciate seeing Northstar 'Straightened out' by means of a 'de-gaying' gun ?

[Prodigy55]

I don't know what other X-Men are Italian-American, but I do believe they are being stereotyped.

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[Seres]

How would blind people react to know that one of Marvels premier Psi's was blind until it was no longer necessary for her story and she had bionic eyes fitted.

A solution unavailble in the real world.

Would the resident homosexuals appreciate seeing Northstar 'Straightened out' by means of a 'de-gaying' gun ?

And don't forget that the X-Men have two mutants who are capable of 'curing' blindness. Sage and Elixir. In the Bible, Jesus could also cure those who could not see. What does the Christian community make of Elixir and Sage?

[jarrod]

I don't know what other X-Men are Italian-American, but I do believe they are being stereotyped.
You post Rockslide over Guido Carousella?


Would the resident homosexuals appreciate seeing Northstar 'Straightened out' by means of a 'de-gaying' gun ?
Worked for Storm. :(

[Psy J]

All joking aside, much of X-23's behavior resulting from her Weapon X conditioning is similar to that of an autistic child. Limited speech, lack of social intuition, self-harm, etc.

[Omega Alpha]

Sinister and Cyclops relationship can be seen as the one of a child molester and his victim, doesn't it? Sinister ran the orphanage Scott lived (was an authority figure then), and did weird experimentations with him which Scott didn't even remembered until much later (though it was Sinister himself who erased the memories, can be seen as a victim blocking the traumatic events), and then he kept genetic samples (keeping a "prize"), and when Scott ran away from the orphanage when he was already in his mid teens, Sinister didn't took him back (since he was now too old to be "interesting").

[darknessatnoon]

Sinister and Cyclops relationship can be seen as the one of a child molester and his victim, doesn't it? Sinister ran the orphanage Scott lived (was an authority figure then), and did weird experimentations with him which Scott didn't even remembered until much later (though it was Sinister himself who erased the memories, can be seen as a victim blocking the traumatic events), and then he kept genetic samples (keeping a "prize"), and when Scott ran away from the orphanage when he was already in his mid teens, Sinister didn't took him back (since he was now too old to be "interesting").

The same goes for Xavier and Cyclops.

[Webb]

I want to see the X-Men tackle immigrants and xenophobia. They've always handled prejudices based on how someone was born, but they haven't really touched on prejudices based on where someone came from or their culture. And the X-Men are jam-packed with immigrants.

[darknessatnoon]

I want to see the X-Men tackle immigrants and xenophobia. They've always handled prejudices based on how someone was born, but they haven't really touched on prejudices based on where someone came from or their culture. And the X-Men are jam-packed with immigrants.

They tackle xenophobia in any Sunfire related plot. That guy hates hates HATES gaijin.

[jester1436]

The same goes for Xavier and Cyclops.

What about Emma and Cyclops?

[ComiXFanBoy]

Dumb blondes - We had Skids (a woman who names herself after poopy pants)

skids wasnt a dumb blonde. youre confusing her with boom boom. she did have a father that physically abused her though

aurora is schizophrenic

northstar is gay (back then, being gay was classified as a disorder)

[ComiXFanBoy]

And don't forget that the X-Men have two mutants who are capable of 'curing' blindness. Sage and Elixir. In the Bible, Jesus could also cure those who could not see. What does the Christian community make of Elixir and Sage?
they cant walk on water or turn water to wine. so there :tongue:

[MuhollandDriver]

skids wasnt a dumb blonde. youre confusing her with boom boom. she did have a father that physically abused her though

aurora is schizophrenic

northstar is gay (back then, being gay was classified as a disorder)

Actually Aurora has dissociative identity disorder.

There is already an...errm....immigration subplot going on in uncanny.....yeah....

[darknessatnoon]

they cant walk on water or turn water to wine. so there :tongue:

Actually,

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/wine.jpg

You are quite incorrect (http://www.theheartisanorganthatpumpblood.com/?p=342).

[Slung]

Well what can be said about the X-men is in the thread title.

The X-men. A group representative of outsiders. Those outside the mainstream society of the time.

However as times changed the outsiders have become less 'outside' and more mainstream. In reality the rights of women, ethnic groups, and homosexuals have become regonised as good things that were long overdue.

The X-men stood as an analogy for these downtrodden groups of society. The team itself reflected this with American Indians on the team, women on the team, black women on the team, homosexuals on the team.... The representation has evolved as we as a society has evolved.

So whats next. If these marginalised groups have been accepted to an extent (whatever that may be) what is the next boundary that the X-men should cross. Which other group should be represented.

Mentally ill - Well we have Polaris
Disabled - We had Taki... god only knows where he is now
Dumb blondes - We had Skids (a woman who names herself after poopy pants)

Its your favourite comic, you should have a say. Speak damn you people ! Speak ! (Unless you're indicating you want Mutes represented in the X-men)
I don't know where exactly you live but...we've got a ways to go before homosexuals become recognized as good things. I think the daily bashings and the yearly laws against gays is proof enough of that. And thats in the US.

[SayOcean]

i wouldnt mind seeing a black guy on an xteam

and by black i mean african american

and by african american i mean someones whos parents were brought to the us in slave ships and was born in this country

or a funtioning drug user

[Slung]

i wouldnt mind seeing a black guy on an xteam

and by black i mean african american

and by african american i mean someones whos parents were brought to the us in slave ships and was born in this country

or a funtioning drug user

Well, we have Bish..er...Synch...I mean Prodigy!

And still the only gay on the team has been Northstar (and Exodus International Poster Boy Bobby Drake!)

[darknessatnoon]

i wouldnt mind seeing a black guy on an xteam

and by black i mean african american

and by african american i mean someones whos parents were brought to the us in slave ships and was born in this country

or a funtioning drug user

Dazzler is a functioning drug user. Quota filled.

[Justin K.]

Dazzler is a functioning drug user. Quota filled.

Does Pixie Dust count as a drug?

[darknessatnoon]

Does Pixie Dust count as a drug?

Most definitely.

[Prodigy55]

Wolverine is a user.

[SayOcean]

Well, we have Bish..er...Synch...I mean Prodigy!

And still the only gay on the team has been Northstar (and Exodus International Poster Boy Bobby Drake!)Prodigy is a human....stupid flatscan

if prodigy counts wouldnt anole and karma as well in the gay catergory

[MuhollandDriver]

Northstar is the only one who has made it to the big leagues.

Karma and Anole are youth team members.

[SayOcean]

i guess i will have to wait a lil longer for my AA male quota to be filled


but yeah for users!!!!!

[MuhollandDriver]

Hah!

Well, writers seem to enjoy writing Karma and Anole....of all the youth members their futures fall into the "more promising" categories. You know...along with Ernst
and Lioness.

*ducks*

i love Ernst :)

[Slung]

Prodigy is a human....stupid flatscan

if prodigy counts wouldnt anole and karma as well in the gay catergory

It was a joke.

[SayOcean]

It was a joke.what was a joke adding proigy to the list or not counting Karma or anole

[Justin K.]

Siryn and Banshee fit some Irish stereotypes:

- The love of alcohol.
- Being redheads.
- Green costumes; Leprechaun reference.

[T Hedge Coke]

I dropped Uncanny during (yes, during) the issue where Cannonball explains voting rights and racial politics to two of his close friends, both nonwhite mutant women, one indigenous to North America, the other a first generation immigrant, both political activists since childhood, both at times government (and/or extragovernmental) agents, and their response was to sit there quietly. Also, Dani was wearing some sort of choker and feather deal again. Xi'an may have been defined by her sexuality explicitly ("Likes girls," as the whole of a sentence and character profile) around the same time.

[eurazn]

i guess i will have to wait a lil longer for my AA male quota to be filled

but yeah for users!!!!!

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we've ever had the other AA quota filled in the history of the X-Men; Asian American men.

There's a dearth of male Asian X-Men, actually; Sunfire was from Japan and Thunderbird (Neal Sharra) was from India, but neither stayed with the team for very long ... was there anyone else?

[psychic_therapy]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we've ever had the other AA quota filled in the history of the X-Men; Asian American men.

There's a dearth of male Asian X-Men, actually; Sunfire was from Japan and Thunderbird (Neal Sharra) was from India, but neither stayed with the team for very long ... was there anyone else?

Scrambler! Proudly from Korea... probably the North!

[eurazn]

Scrambler! Proudly from Korea... probably the North!

He was a baddie, though, so he doesn't count; I'm referring to X-Men members.

[psychic_therapy]

He was a baddie, though, so he doesn't count; I'm referring to X-Men members.

I tried... shows you how shallow the pool is I suppose.

[x_goalkeeper]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we've ever had the other AA quota filled in the history of the X-Men; Asian American men.

There's a dearth of male Asian X-Men, actually; Sunfire was from Japan and Thunderbird (Neal Sharra) was from India, but neither stayed with the team for very long ... was there anyone else?

There are a lot of females, especially japanese.. but I think only 2 asian males?

[jarrod]

Well, the X-Men have their pedo quotient more than filled (Xaiver, Angel, Psylocke, Colossus, Wolverine, Storm, Emma Frost, etc, etc). How were they even allowed to run a school again?


If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we've ever had the other AA quota filled in the history of the X-Men; Asian American men.
Red Lotus made out with Rachel Grey. That makes him practically an X-Man.

[Prodigy55]

Beast is also a pedo.

[jarrod]

Beast is also a pedo.
That's true, I had forgotten!

So is Dazzler. Longshot's like ten or something.

[rage6839]

i wouldnt mind seeing a black guy on an xteam

and by black i mean african american

and by african american i mean someones whos parents were brought to the us in slave ships and was born in this country

or a funtioning drug user

Good luck with that one. AA males in the x-universe are like most lower seeds in March Madness; one and done. A little diversity would not hurt the x-verse.

[eurazn]

Red Lotus made out with Rachel Grey. That makes him practically an X-Man.

Considering she makes out with birds (and likely dinosaurs, off-panel), I'm not counting any of her conquests.

[jarrod]

Considering she makes out with birds (and likely dinosaurs, off-panel), I'm not counting any of her conquests.
Leave Kitty Pryde alone! She's had it bad enough this year, getting tattooed on some loser's arm. :frown:

[eurazn]

Leave Kitty Pryde alone! She's had it bad enough this year, getting tattooed on some loser's arm. :frown:

Kitty and Rachel were both jettisoned into space. Coincidence? I think not.

And that tattoo was on some man-cleave, not an arm. Either way, it's an awful tattoo and ruined one of Colossus's few redeeming features.

[jarrod]

Kitty and Rachel were both jettisoned into space. Coincidence? I think not.
Well... beats Mojoworld at least. :P


And that tattoo was on some man-cleave, not an arm. Either way, it's an awful tattoo and ruined one of Colossus's few redeeming features.
Maybe he'll stop waxing so he can cover it?[/silverlining]

[FeminineMystique]

Well, the X-Men have their pedo quotient more than filled (Xaiver, Angel, Psylocke, Colossus, Wolverine, Storm, Emma Frost, etc, etc). How were they even allowed to run a school again?

I know I'll regret asking this but are you serious? Because I've never read a story with any of them involved in a relationship with an underage character. Wolfsbane made out with one of the Xavier students so I guess she could technically be one, but apart from her none of them have ever seemed to be of the "Gary Glitter" persuasion to me.

[Twisted Bliss]

I know I'll regret asking this but are you serious? Because I've never read a story with any of them involved in a relationship with an underage character. Wolfsbane made out with one of the Xavier students so I guess she could technically be one, but apart from her none of them have ever seemed to be of the "Gary Glitter" persuasion to me.

To quote the pop group Snap Jarrod is 'As serious as cancer when he says rhythm is a dancer'.

Psylocke - Douglas Ramsey (15)
Colossus - Kitty (13/14)
Xavier - I think he was supposed to be attracted to Jean (but I'm not 100% certain)

[ZNOP]

Wolfsbane made out with one of the Xavier students so I guess she could technically be one, but apart from her none of them have ever seemed to be of the "Gary Glitter" persuasion to me.

Which student was that? And, is he indeed under 18yrs old? Marvel time is funny that way. In my 35 years of reading X-Men have never noted that any one of them were pedophiles -- not even Peter. I have always found such accusations to be nothing more than fan-fic wants and desires.

[Prodigy55]

Which student was that? And, is he indeed under 18yrs old? Marvel time is funny that way. In my 35 years of reading X-Men have never noted that any one of them were pedophiles -- not even Peter. I have always found such accusations to be nothing more than fan-fic wants and desires.

Rahne made out with the 16 year old Elixir. She was 19 at the time.

[jarrod]

To quote the pop group Snap Jarrod is 'As serious as cancer when he says rhythm is a dancer'.

Psylocke - Douglas Ramsey (15)
Colossus - Kitty (13/14)
Xavier - I think he was supposed to be attracted to Jean (but I'm not 100% certain)
Wasn't Slipstream a minor when Storm made out with him? Now I can't remember? :/

Also, Emma Frost gave Firestar this...

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[Justin K.]

Xavier - I think he was supposed to be attracted to Jean (but I'm not 100% certain)

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[x_goalkeeper]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/justinkos91/XaviersForbiddenLove.jpg

I guess this is ultimate x-men?

[CJ Lentze]

I guess this is ultimate x-men?No, this is somewhere in "Onslaught". Don't ask me the specific issue, though.

Someone help me out here.

[Home made ectoplasm]

I know I'll regret asking this but are you serious? Because I've never read a story with any of them involved in a relationship with an underage character. Wolfsbane made out with one of the Xavier students so I guess she could technically be one, but apart from her none of them have ever seemed to be of the "Gary Glitter" persuasion to me.

Rahne made out with the 16 year old Elixir. She was 19 at the time.

Legal and perfectly acceptable in Scotland. 16 is adult over here. Rahne is not guilty.

[Justin K.]

No, this is somewhere in "Onslaught". Don't ask me the specific issue, though.

Someone help me out here.

X-men #53
When Jean Grey goes shopping
and is snatched by Onslaught

[CJ Lentze]

X-men #53
When Jean Grey goes shopping
and is snatched by OnslaughtThanks. I feel the urge to high-five you for this, mostly because I'm tired and woozy and everything's cool with me.

[4sake]

To quote the pop group Snap Jarrod is 'As serious as cancer when he says rhythm is a dancer'.

Psylocke - Douglas Ramsey (15)
Colossus - Kitty (13/14)
Xavier - I think he was supposed to be attracted to Jean (but I'm not 100% certain)

I think Colossus was like 17 maybe 18 when that happen. Still bad, but not as bad as a 14-15 year old Wolfsbane trying to get with a 23-25 year old Havok.

[RolandJP]

X-men Cultural stereotype checklist

Bishop

Thief : Check.>>>>>>>Stole tech from Forge.

Mixed breed: Check>>>>>>part Aboriginal.

Killer: Check >>>>>>>>homicidal rages...Messiah Baby hunter

Soon to be Dead: Check>>>>See Messiah War.....Ref: Synch

[marvell2100]

The whole lot is twisted.

Cyclops-Anal Rententive (now just anal)
Emma- Keeping men in a cellar
Peter-He now has a harem
Kurt-Unemployed
Warren-Freaks come out at night
Hank-Out of Meow Mix
Bobby-Pam thought you were dead and you pop up in the shower,wait...wrong Bobby
Storm-Power Mad and gunning for more
Kitty-Riding a bullet. "Yes! Yes! Yeessssss!!!!" No one can hear you scream in space Kitty.
Pixie-She has a soul dagger and she teleports. Anyone tell Kurt and Betsy they have a kid together?
Logan-Enough already you sado-masochistic bastich!!

[psychic_therapy]

The whole lot is twisted.

Cyclops-Anal Rententive (now just anal)
Emma- Keeping men in a cellar
Peter-He now has a harem
Kurt-Unemployed
Warren-Freaks come out at night
Hank-Out of Meow Mix
Bobby-Pam thought you were dead and you pop up in the shower,wait...wrong Bobby
Storm-Power Mad and gunning for more
Kitty-Riding a bullet. "Yes! Yes! Yeessssss!!!!" No one can hear you scream in space Kitty.
Pixie-She has a soul dagger and she teleports. Anyone tell Kurt and Betsy they have a kid together?
Logan-Enough already you sado-masochistic bastich!!

Kurt, Hank, and Storm seem normal to me. But otherwise you're right, it's all twisted.

[T Hedge Coke]

When did Dani make out with Xavier in her underwear? Was that the Micronauts mini? And how old was she?

Great. Now I feel dirty.

[FeminineMystique]

Cyclops-Anal Rententive (now just anal)

I always knew he and Emma were into experimentation.

Emma- Keeping men in a cellar

Well the whole team is keeping men in the cellar...which is much worse actually. I mean do the authorities know their illegally detaining people? It's worrying when you think about it really.

Peter-He now has a harem

Dude, that's the LINE. Peter's the most decent guy on the team, don't accuse him of taking advantage of sex slaves. There's dark humour and then there's just offensive. (I should talk...still, that comment irked me)

Kurt-Unemployed

Wait...what!? How is that anything unusual? Have you looked around? We're in the middle of a recession, millions are unemployed! Only difference is Kurt has blue fur and a tail.

Warren-Freaks come out at night

But he's a super freak! Super freak! He's super freaky yow!

Hank-Out of Meow Mix

How dare you insinuate Dr McCoy would demean himself with meow mix? The only time he eats such things is when he and Agent Brand are role playing

Bobby-Pam thought you were dead and you pop up in the shower,wait...wrong Bobby

Did you just make a Dallas joke!? In 2009!?!?

Storm-Power Mad and gunning for more

This one I'll grant you. It speaks volumes we were more surprised she WASN'T a Skrull than we would have been if she was.

Kitty-Riding a bullet. "Yes! Yes! Yeessssss!!!!" No one can hear you scream in space Kitty.

If she's intangible can she actually climax? Discuss.

Pixie-She has a soul dagger and she teleports. Anyone tell Kurt and Betsy they have a kid together?

Now we all know Kurt is in love with Wolverine, not Betsy. Get your facts straight man!

Logan-Enough already you sado-masochistic bastich!!

Nothing wrong with a little sado-masochism. Part of a balanced diet.

[marvell2100]

If she's intangible can she actually climax? Discuss.

I believe that is what's causing all those solar flares, when those droplets fall into the Sun.

[marvell2100]

Wait...what!? How is that anything unusual? Have you looked around? We're in the middle of a recession, millions are unemployed! Only difference is Kurt has blue fur and a tail.


Someone with blue fur and a long prehensile...tail should always have work.

[FeminineMystique]

Someone with blue fur and a long prehensile...tail should always have work.

Point. But would Nightcrawler want the kind of work those...attributes would net him?

[marvell2100]

Point. But would Nightcrawler want the kind of work those...attributes would net him?

I'm sure it would be a moral dilemna for him but hey, he could always donate his earnings to the church.

[FeminineMystique]

True. But who would be his...partner, in this hypothetical career?

[marvell2100]

True. But who would be his...partner, in this hypothetical career?

Well I think he has the whole X-Universe to choose from. Here's a potential batting order:

Wolverine/X-23- Rough

Storm/Iceman- Romantic

Beast/Feral- Rough and Romantic

Warren/Callisto- Bondage

Peter/Kitty- Young Love

Emma/Scott- S&M and Instructional

Jamie Madrox- Gangbang

Betsy/Cannonball- Romantic

[FeminineMystique]

Wolverine/X-23- Rough

Also incest if he gets both of them at once...kinky.

Emma/Scott- S&M and Instructional

Kurt is totally a bottom. Just saying.

Jamie Madrox- Gangbang

And the award for the funniest/most disturbing thing I've read all day goes too...

[ProfeZZor X]

What about the Autistic... Chaos.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w192/Profezzor_X/X-Men360cast.jpg

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Wolverine: Attention whore

Armor: The X-men's Asian Persuasion

The Stepford Cuckoos: The ungrateful daughters