Hellion Must Die

[Seres]

For the heavy metal band, see Hellion (band). Also not to be confused with Helion.

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Hellion (Julian Keller) is a fictional character, a mutant in the Marvel Comics Universe, a member of the student body at the Xavier Institute, and a member of the Hellions squad therein. He first appeared in New Mutants (second series) #2.

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The Leper Queen is a fictional villain of the Marvel Universe. She's the leader of the Sapien League, an extremist anti-mutant organization similar to the Friends of Humanity.

[Prodigy55]

delete thread!

[timbox]

I agree that Hellion must die.

Close thread immediately.

SORORITY!

[just another user]

Of course he must die, it's too late for Marvel to recall X Force #13 now.

[AcesX1X]

i think hellion's death should be something memorable.

something like....a reverse mutant massacre.

instead of the few killing off the many, i feel that the remaining mutants should gather and kill him at the same time.

[Seres]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/5/5b/Surge_hellion.jpg/800px-Surge_hellion.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/3/30/Noriko_Julian_David.jpg/800px-Noriko_Julian_David.jpg

Hellion apparently enjoys kissing the homeless.


As a side-note, do any of you have some pictures of Hellion being punched?
By, let's say, Prodigy, Surge, Rockslide, X-23, Icarus, or Nimrod? I would like to see them. I would not appreciate them, but I should enjoy seeing them.

[CyberHubbs]

Hellion is cool. He needs to go back to being the shit-talkin' punk he used to be.

Also, he's going to TK-beat Leper Queen with her own mask.

[Prodigy55]

I hate this thread, it doesn't even have a "no you, Seres" option.

[timbox]

As a side-note, do any of you have some pictures of Hellion being punched?


Punched to death or just punched in general?

[justinkos91]

Where's that pic where it looks like X-23 stabbed him?

[AcesX1X]

i loved the "not again!" one with him and rockslide.

[Seres]

I hate this thread, it doesn't even have a "no you, Seres" option.

I made Wind Dancer an option in the poll especially for you. You are never happy.

Punched to death or just punched in general?

I haven't seen him being punched to death! For the sake of curiosity, please share these pictures with the rest of us.

[just another user]

Where's that pic where it looks like X-23 stabbed him?

X Force #13

[timbox]

I bet Molly Hayes could kill Hellion with one punch.

[Prodigy55]

I made Wind Dancer an option in the poll especially for you. You are never happy.

The thought is appreciated.
But I will not allow Sofia to turn into some ruthless ex-killer, she's classier than that.
Renascence would probably do it though.

[Seres]

For justinkos and timbox:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10376/236029-156069-x-23_super.JPG

[justinkos91]

For justinkos and timbox:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/10376/236029-156069-x-23_super.JPG

This gives circumcision a whole new meaning. :tongue:

Thanks Seres!

[Prodigy55]

That was because X-23 likes it circumsized.

Or alternatively.

Because she cuts people she has sex with.

[Samuraixsithlord]

i like Hellion.

after M-Day he got alot more tolerable.

like to see him join X-Force and pop some human heads with his TK.

[4sake]

Hellion Must Live!!!!!!!!!!!

[Seres]

i like Hellion.

after M-Day he got alot more tolerable.

like to see him join X-Force and pop some human heads with his TK.

Hellion Must Live!!!!!!!!!!!

You have both misunderstood the purpose of this thread. Perhaps I should have made the title clearer.

There is no appreciation allowed in here.

[Prodigy55]

Hellion Must Live!!!!!!!!!!!

QFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[just another user]

i like Hellion.

after M-Day he got alot more tolerable.

like to see him join X-Force and pop some human heads with his TK.

he's certainly going to be popping some humans with his TK if all goes according to plan.

[justinkos91]

That was because X-23 likes it circumsized.

Or alternatively.

Because she cuts people she has sex with.

Hellion's secretly a masochist

Why else would he have an emo phase?

[AcesX1X]

someone please post the rockslide scan.

[Novaya Havoc]

Hellion. Must. Die.

HOWEVER:

Beast. Must. Die. First.

[Prodigy55]

Hellion should not die, just cause you haters can't handle his fiery passion.

[Majinoaw]

Heel Persona:
Helllllllloooo alllllll you marks out there. Hellion will die and I it will be X-23 that has to kill him.

[greenshoes713]

Hellion is cool. He needs to go back to being the shit-talkin' punk he used to be.

Also, he's going to TK-beat Leper Queen with her own mask.

You're a beast CyberHubbs a BEAST!

Hellion Must Live!!!!!!!!!!!

Straight up!

[jester1436]

The lame ass "must die" threads need to die.

DIAF THREADS DIAF

[Hakael]

The lame ass "must die" threads need to die.

DIAF THREADS DIAF

This is true.

[Seres]

The lame ass "must die" threads need to die.

DIAF THREADS DIAF

That's the entire point of this thread. Does nobody read subtext?

[lockerogue]

Lois London should have been included. I mean Hellion is basically homeless, unless he is living in SF with the others.

[$5 Milkshake]

Leper Queen should get the honor. She was feeling a bit glum last issue of X-Force.

Give her a little sunshine in rough times.

[x_goalkeeper]

i loved the "not again!" one with him and rockslide.

I love that one too! :biggrin:

There should be a Nimrod in the poll :smile:

[Wind-Breaker]

To be fair to all "Must Die" threads...

http://i42.tinypic.com/ftn9nc.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

To be fair to all "Must Die" threads...

http://i42.tinypic.com/ftn9nc.jpg

Lovely. I adore all of these.

[Raptor]

Cyclops needs to get his hands dirty. Sadly he'll probably just pop humans with TK dueto Leper Queen. meh.

[RickyD410]

To be fair to all "Must Die" threads...

http://i42.tinypic.com/ftn9nc.jpg

Hahaha. I love X-23's face.

[JValentine]

Seres and Timbox must die for hating on JK :tongue:.

[jester1436]

That's the entire point of this thread. Does nobody read subtext?

You're retroactively establishing subtext.

I am now retroactively establishing subtext that suggests the Serii are lovers and Timbox watches while eating crepes.

[AcesX1X]

You're retroactively establishing subtext.

I am now retroactively establishing subtext that suggests the Serii are lovers and Timbox watches while eating crepes.

what kind of crepes jester?

[jester1436]

what kind of crepes jester?

In the morning it's a combination of berries, while in the evening it's a savory squash with brie.

I can tell from Timbox's posts. It's subtext.

[darknessatnoon]

Jester, do you still stand by your position even though Hakael agrees with you?

[timbox]

Don't judge me!

[jester1436]

Don't judge me!

Crepes are delicious. I'm jealous, not judgmental.

[jester1436]

Jester, do you still stand by your position even though Hakael agrees with you?

Textually, yes, subtextually, perhaps not.

[AcesX1X]

someone gave me a crepe filled with nutella and covered in powdered sugar once.

it was heavenly.

[Hakael]

Jester, do you still stand by your position even though Hakael agrees with you?

Glad to see I'm held in such high regard, darkness. much love and happy st. patty's.

[Til]

I will dance the Pylean Dance of Joy when Hellion meets his gruesome end. I just hope X-23 comes to her senses about how much of a jerk he is, and is there to cheer on Leper Queen's good work.

[Seres]

I guess I should've made Surge an option!

LOL! The favourite character of other people is going to die.

[psycwave]

This thread is wonderful.

Yes. Hellion must die.

[psycwave]

To be fair to all "Must Die" threads...

http://i42.tinypic.com/ftn9nc.jpg

This is the best piece of art I have seen in quite awhile.

[The Big G]

Gunna post in this to say: screw you Hellion Haters he's still alive!:cool:

[Personamanx]

Man...... A lot of Folk hate Hellion............

And Yet He is still alive?

[The Big G]

Man...... A lot of Folk hate Hellion............

And Yet He is still alive?

Im starting to think Julian has a secondary mutation that allows him to survive near death experiences cuse he's faced quite a few over the years.


Oh and this is my 1000st post! YAY ME!

[darknessatnoon]

Man...... A lot of Folk hate Hellion............

And Yet He is still alive?

Wait till Magneto tells Emma that Hellion tried to betray the X-Men. Keller's time is running out.

[RickyD410]

Hellion is amazing. </Christos Soter>

[The Big G]

Hellion is amazing. </Christos Soter>

what he said

[Monty_Cristo]

i don't like his face.

[Mechano]

i don't like his face.



he has a kind face...

[Monty_Cristo]

he has a kind face...

i hate kindness. and all the children of Whoville.

[RoguishGurl]

Wait till Magneto tells Emma that Hellion tried to betray the X-Men. Keller's time is running out.
It's her fault that she did. He did seek her out before he sought Magneto out but she refused to answer him. What else was he supposed to do?

[coveredinbees]

Not start two riots?

[Mechano]

he has a kind face...



the kind i would like to f@#k in the eye socket.

[darknessatnoon]

It's her fault that she did. He did seek her out before he sought Magneto out but she refused to answer him. What else was he supposed to do?

So, someone doesn't take your call and the next natural thought is to seek out someone you think might want to kill her?

[RoguishGurl]

Not start two riots?
He only started the first one right? He was all about having a peaceful protest the second time and then Match went fire crazy.

So, someone doesn't take your call and the next natural thought is to seek out someone you think might want to kill her?
I don't think he wanted it to go that far. He just wanted to cause them pain. He's only 16 so I'm sure he didn't think it all the way through when he did it. Not many 16 year olds would think rationally after being nearly killed, abandoned by the people they trusted and their parents.

[darknessatnoon]

He only started the first one right? He was all about having a peaceful protest the second time and then Match went fire crazy.


I don't think he wanted it to go that far. He just wanted to cause them pain. He's only 16 so I'm sure he didn't think it all the way through when he did it. Not many 16 year olds would think rationally after being nearly killed, abandoned by the people they trusted and their parents.

He's too immature for his power. Emma needs to "put him down" or lobotomize him.

[coveredinbees]

He's a bad influence. I hope Xavier kills him with Scott.

[Mechano]

He's a bad influence. I hope Xavier kills him with Scott.

Lord Clops will put both hellion and xavier down...

[coveredinbees]

Xavier's only letting Scott live for Beast's sake right now.

[psycwave]

This thread is wonderful.

Yes. Hellion must die.

I was wrong and have amended my ways.
Hellion should live!

[lockerogue]

I was wrong and have amended my ways.
Hellion should live!

Ugh no Psycwave his ass has to die.

[Giles]

I don't think he wanted it to go that far.

I like Julian, but he went to Magneto - he knew perfectly well how far things could have gone.

[The Big G]

I was wrong and have amended my ways.
Hellion should live!

Ye are forgiven for all past transgressions my friend

[Victorious]

I'm kindof a little fed up of all the haters, what's the point of hating a character, just ignore their appearances for god sake, and focus on the ones you love. If you doens't care for a character, that's ok, but such level of hate isn't healthy.

[psycwave]

I'm kindof a little fed up of all the haters, what's the point of hating a character, just ignore their appearances for god sake, and focus on the ones you love. If you doens't care for a character, that's ok, but such level of hate isn't healthy.

How can you ignore a character you dislike if they constantly appear in a book you read??

[quillero]

I can't believe this thread. You people are awful.

[Victorious]

How can you ignore a character you dislike if they constantly appear in a book you read??

Just ignore their development there.
I mean, what exactly makes you a hate a character?
Is it the character concept or their development?
I personally can't read Fraction's Emma, but I love the character and love how Morrison, Whedon, Carey, etc write Emma. So all I do is ignore how awful Emma is written in Uncanny. I just start reading the book when someone else use the character.
About others characters, I don’t hate anyone, l just don't connect with or give a damn about lots for them, but it doesn’t bother me if they are in the book I love reading. Cause if I read a book, it means I like the writer or at least enjoy how he handles the story. For instance, I don’t care about Longshot, but I love PAD and X-Factor, and if PAD makes Longshot work in the title, then I'm ok with it. Now, if I hate the character that much so as to not being able to tolerate how a writer use them or how he is portrayed then I simply stop reading the book.

Now, where exactly is Hellion constantly appearing that make you guys hate him so much?
He recently appeared in X-Force, but honestly, his appearance can easily be tolerated, is not like he is in every panel or part of the team.
Honestly, please someone explain to me what makes you hate a character so much, specially if he's pretty much in Limbo since his own title was cancelled?

[psycwave]

Oh no, I love Hellion. Most of the characters I hate are either already dead, in books i don't read, or in limbo. :)

Such as Revanche, Rocksldie, all of X-factor.

[The Big G]

Such as Revanche, Rocksldie, all of X-factor.

How can you hate the SLide? He's HIlarious

[psycwave]

How can you hate the SLide? He's HIlarious

If by hilarious you mean an unfunny, worthless, generic dudebro flunky, who probably can't spell his own name...then yes...yes he is.

[The Big G]

If by hilarious you mean an unfunny, worthless, generic dudebro flunky, who probably can't spell his own name...then yes...yes he is.

i think he's funny.....

[Bolebeau]

I kind of like Hellion, I don't want him to die. Not before a lot of others that I like a whole lot less die, anyway.

I also want crepes now, for which I hold Jester and Aces responsible.

[RickyD410]

Just ignore their development there.
I mean, what exactly makes you a hate a character?
Is it the character concept or their development?
I personally can't read Fraction's Emma, but I love the character and love how Morrison, Whedon, Carey, etc write Emma. So all I do is ignore how awful Emma is written in Uncanny. I just start reading the book when someone else use the character.
About others characters, I don’t hate anyone, l just don't connect with or give a damn about lots for them, but it doesn’t bother me if they are in the book I love reading. Cause if I read a book, it means I like the writer or at least enjoy how he handles the story. For instance, I don’t care about Longshot, but I love PAD and X-Factor, and if PAD makes Longshot work in the title, then I'm ok with it. Now, if I hate the character that much so as to not being able to tolerate how a writer use them or how he is portrayed then I simply stop reading the book.

Now, where exactly is Hellion constantly appearing that make you guys hate him so much?
He recently appeared in X-Force, but honestly, his appearance can easily be tolerated, is not like he is in every panel or part of the team.
Honestly, please someone explain to me what makes you hate a character so much, specially if he's pretty much in Limbo since his own title was cancelled?

I agree with this 1000%.

[Godlike13]

What a ridiculous topic. Hellion Rocks! U all know it too.

[witness]

Really the poll question should be "Who should get the honour of making Hellion appear dead, before he's magically brought back to life eighteen months later by another writer?"

[timbox]

Hellion is so hot and he's fiercely loyal to his friends so it's okay that he betrayed the X-Men and then, even after they accepted him back, purposefully caused a riot which undermined all mutant progress.

[Talisman]

i think he's funny.....
NOT surprising...

[The Big G]

NOT surprising...

cold as ice:eek:

[Prodigy55]

Why do you hate Revanche?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Hellion = John Tucker?

[psycwave]

Why do you hate Revanche?

She was a pointless retcon that only brought about more confusion then was needed. She had potential for some great storylines, living with the X-men in another body, being an empathic mutant assassin; being cold and heartless, not supposed to feel anything but constantly feeling the emotions of those around her, people continually confusing her with the british supermodel Elizabeth Braddock. But instead we got "IM BETSY! NEVERMIND! I HAVE MUTANT AIDS! CUT OUT MY EYES! DEATH! TRUTH IS WEIRD BODY SWAP!. Oh and P.S. I made Betsy act like a slut and lick Scott's face lol." She was had no true purpose and only threw more salt in the wound that Betsy had somehow become the definitive Asian Dragonlady. Though since their features were mixed she is really more Eurasian. But the point still remains Revanche never should be created. The only thing I will give Revanche was that her outfit was fantastic and her hair was great! LONG LIVE THE PERM.

[Talisman]

She was a pointless retcon that only brought about more confusion then was needed. She had potential for some great storylines, living with the X-men in another body, being an empathic mutant assassin; being cold and heartless, not supposed to feel anything but constantly feeling the emotions of those around her, people continually confusing her with the british supermodel Elizabeth Braddock. But instead we got "IM BETSY! NEVERMIND! I HAVE MUTANT AIDS! CUT OUT MY EYES! DEATH! TRUTH IS WEIRD BODY SWAP!. Oh and P.S. I made Betsy act like a slut and lick Scott's face lol." She was had no true purpose and only threw more salt in the wound that Betsy had somehow become the definitive Asian Dragonlady. Though since their features were mixed she is really more Eurasian. But the point still remains Revanche never should be created. The only thing I will give Revanche was that her outfit was fantastic and her hair was great! LONG LIVE THE PERM.
I wish Betts would get her old outfit. Revanche's kicked the Thongkini in the overly exposed meat flaps.

[Mia]

I mean, what exactly makes you a hate a character?
Is it the character concept or their development?

There are two things that make me dislike a character.

First if they lack what I call character. That can be anything from the way they treat other people, to a nasty disposition, selfishness, meaness, immaturity or dishonesty.

Now I am refering stricly to superheroes. There are many supervillains who neatly fit into this catagory. But that's okay because they are villains, I expect them to behave that way. Conversely there are superheroes who are not exactly nice (ie. Batman) but at least they can be counted on to do the right thing and help others.


Second of all if they come across as contrived and are thinly disguised props for the writer.



Now, where exactly is Hellion constantly appearing that make you guys hate him so much?
He recently appeared in X-Force, but honestly, his appearance can easily be tolerated, is not like he is in every panel or part of the team.
Honestly, please someone explain to me what makes you hate a character so much, specially if he's pretty much in Limbo since his own title was cancelled?

Unfortunately Hellion is so noxious it's hard to ignore him, Another poster on her described him as an 'attention whore'. And that probably the most apropriate term. Hellion thinks that it's all about him.

Not only is a spoilt brat, he's a spoilt trouble making brat who will turn on you if he doesn't get his way. He's mean and a bigot and clearly does not agree with the whole X-Men ethos. 'Of protecting those who they hate and fear them'.
And if Cyclops wasn't such an obsessive doofus (I must protect mutant kind!) he would see that Hellion is nothing but a load of trouble and he would ship him back to Beverly Hill where he belongs. Hellion is not heroic and does not learn from his mistakes. He's mean, narcissitic and self-centered. The complete representation of the kind of person I can't stand in real life.

[The Big G]

Unfortunately Hellion is so noxious it's hard to ignore him, Another poster on her described him as an 'attention whore'. And that probably the most apropriate term. Hellion thinks that it's all about him.

Not only is a spoilt brat, he's a spoilt trouble making brat who will turn on you if he doesn't get his way. He's mean and a bigot and clearly does not agree with the whole X-Men ethos. 'Of protecting those who they hate and fear them'.
And if Cyclops wasn't such an obsessive doofus (I must protect mutant kind!) he would see that Hellion is nothing but a load of trouble and he would ship him back to Beverly Hill where he belongs. Hellion is not heroic and does not learn from his mistakes. He's mean, narcissitic and self

A typical Mia response:biggrin:

the hellion hate is strong with her....

To be honest Julian is pretty much a reserve X-Men at this point. If i were Cyke i'd find something to keep him busy or something might happen plus he needs to get developed more as a character

[Personamanx]

.......................Mia.

[psycwave]

I wish Betts would get her old outfit. Revanche's kicked the Thongkini in the overly exposed meat flaps.

Revanche's catsuit >>>>>>>> Betts thong. It doesn't even make sense. I even liked the color scheme though it changed like five times.

[Monty_Cristo]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9811428']Hellion = John Tucker?

there are similarities.

[Hakael]

Big G, we really didn't need this thread back... even to rub their faces in it.

[The Big G]

Big G, we really didn't need this thread back... even to rub their faces in it.

I take the blame for this one....:redface:


Im sorry guys...i pulled a Hellion, wanted to stick it to the man but ended up causing a riot. I apologize

[RickyD410]

Unfortunately Hellion is so noxious it's hard to ignore him, Another poster on her described him as an 'attention whore'. And that probably the most apropriate term. Hellion thinks that it's all about him.

Not only is a spoilt brat, he's a spoilt trouble making brat who will turn on you if he doesn't get his way. He's mean and a bigot and clearly does not agree with the whole X-Men ethos. 'Of protecting those who they hate and fear them'.
And if Cyclops wasn't such an obsessive doofus (I must protect mutant kind!) he would see that Hellion is nothing but a load of trouble and he would ship him back to Beverly Hill where he belongs. Hellion is not heroic and does not learn from his mistakes. He's mean, narcissitic and self-centered. The complete representation of the kind of person I can't stand in real life.
Mia, I think you simply think of Hellion's first appearances everytime you see him. You're thinking of his original design. We were supposed to hate him when he first appeared. But he's changed completely. Everything you list here is exactly what DIDNT happen the last time we saw him. When he was kidnapped by the Sapien League, he fought back and freed himself. But instead of just running away (like a selfish, spoiled, trouble maker who turns on people would do) he stayed behind risking himself to save Nori, someone he used to hate. When we next saw him, he was unconscious because he wore himself out trying to save this person he used to hate. Then after that, he was showing concern for both Elixir (again, someone he used to hate) and X-23 (your favorite!). Every quality he's shown in the past 2 issues is exactly the opposite of the reasons you list for hating him.

He used to be a self centered rude kid. We know this. We were supposed to dislike him. But since then, he's changed quite a bit.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

Julian Keller, born to be hated

[coveredinbees]

I don't want Hellion to die. Maybe get hit in the by Scott a few times, though.

He's a bad boy. I bet he smokes, too. (http://i34.tinypic.com/2lbf72a.jpg)

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Not only is a spoilt brat, he's a spoilt trouble making brat who will turn on you if he doesn't get his way. He's mean and a bigot and clearly does not agree with the whole X-Men ethos. 'Of protecting those who they hate and fear them'. And if Cyclops wasn't such an obsessive doofus (I must protect mutant kind!) he would see that Hellion is nothing but a load of trouble and he would ship him back to Beverly Hill where he belongs. Hellion is not heroic and does not learn from his mistakes. He's mean, narcissitic and self-centered. The complete representation of the kind of person I can't stand in real life.

There's no doubt that Julian is a douchebag. But he's still a vital part of the younger team, at least when he actually comes to his senses.

On a side note, can someone please photoshop these for me?

http://www.drift-king.evonet.ro/imgs/users/sector/Romeo-Must-Die-Posters-350x460.jpg
http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/214232.1020.A.jpg

[Monty_Cristo]

he's not a bad guy. just needs a good brick-ing.

[DeadPool2]

"All of them together" Lol.

[Victorious]

There are two things that make me dislike a character.

First if they lack what I call character. That can be anything from the way they treat other people, to a nasty disposition, selfishness, meaness, immaturity or dishonesty.

Now I am refering stricly to superheroes. There are many supervillains who neatly fit into this catagory. But that's okay because they are villains, I expect them to behave that way. Conversely there are superheroes who are not exactly nice (ie. Batman) but at least they can be counted on to do the right thing and help others.


Second of all if they come across as contrived and are thinly disguised props for the writer.



Unfortunately Hellion is so noxious it's hard to ignore him, Another poster on her described him as an 'attention whore'. And that probably the most apropriate term. Hellion thinks that it's all about him.

Not only is a spoilt brat, he's a spoilt trouble making brat who will turn on you if he doesn't get his way. He's mean and a bigot and clearly does not agree with the whole X-Men ethos. 'Of protecting those who they hate and fear them'.
And if Cyclops wasn't such an obsessive doofus (I must protect mutant kind!) he would see that Hellion is nothing but a load of trouble and he would ship him back to Beverly Hill where he belongs. Hellion is not heroic and does not learn from his mistakes. He's mean, narcissitic and self-centered. The complete representation of the kind of person I can't stand in real life.


First, you say he “lack character” yet you give countless characteristics about his character. Being a spoil brat, selfish, mean, immature and dishonest are not “lack of character”. You may not like that kind of persons, but a lot of persons are define by that. Even being an “attention whore” is not lack of character. It’s not Julian case IMO, but you may perceive it that way.

Second, characters are not immutable. Sure, Hellion was introduce as the one to hate, the anti hero, the one who could potentially turn against the X-Men and became a villain (he even made a Mageto-ish speech at the cafeteria once). But so do Emma, Rogue, Empath, Sunspot, etc. But they have changed since, they CHANGE because of character developments and they became different persons with different aspects of their personality being shown. Recent development change him from being what you say he still is and turned him into someone totally loyal and someone much more vulnerable and complex than just a spoil brat.

Third, the characteristics you list (selfishness, etc, etc) are not strictly meant for villains, there’s a lot of heroes with different personalities. Being selfish, mean or immature doesn’t mean they won’t try or do the right thing when they are supposed to. There are multiple examples of that: Emma, Magneto, Charles, Wolverine, etc. And Hellion never was against the X-Men ethos, he always stood by his friends.

Fourth, you describe Hellion as having a nasty disposition, yet he offer himself to go save Laura; or being selfish, yet he did put himself at risk to save Laura from death, even confronting his mentor Emma Frost. Plus, he is one of the more loyal X-Men to his friends (Wither, Cess, etc). You may not see it, but Hellion has change. He lost a lot of friends, he lost the girl he love, their parents let him down, he and his friends became the last generation of a whole species… and that CHANGE Hellion and show so much more to him that solely the things you describe. Go back and check your New X-Men issues, check his reaction to his friends being in danger, his interest in saving Laura, how much he care for Sofia, his little conversation with Dust, how he care for Mercury’s safety, and how much vulnerability and humanness he has shown since his first appearance and maybe you will change your mind. Or maybe not, and you will continue to hate him because of how he was when he was introduced.

[Victorious]

Mia, I think you simply think of Hellion's first appearances everytime you see him. You're thinking of his original design. We were supposed to hate him when he first appeared. But he's changed completely. Everything you list here is exactly what DIDNT happen the last time we saw him. When he was kidnapped by the Sapien League, he fought back and freed himself. But instead of just running away (like a selfish, spoiled, trouble maker who turns on people would do) he stayed behind risking himself to save Nori, someone he used to hate. When we next saw him, he was unconscious because he wore himself out trying to save this person he used to hate. Then after that, he was showing concern for both Elixir (again, someone he used to hate) and X-23 (your favorite!). Every quality he's shown in the past 2 issues is exactly the opposite of the reasons you list for hating him.

He used to be a self centered rude kid. We know this. We were supposed to dislike him. But since then, he's changed quite a bit.

Exactly...

[Vincent America]

First, you say he “lack character” yet you give countless characteristics about his character. Being a spoil brat, selfish, mean, immature and dishonest are not “lack of character”. You may not like that kind of persons, but a lot of persons are define by that. Even being an “attention whore” is not lack of character. It’s not Julian case IMO, but you may perceive it that way.

Second, characters are not immutable. Sure, Hellion was introduce as the one to hate, the anti hero, the one who could potentially turn against the X-Men and became a villain (he even made a Mageto-ish speech at the cafeteria once). But so do Emma, Rogue, Empath, Sunspot, etc. But they have changed since, they CHANGE because of character developments and they became different persons with different aspects of their personality being shown. Recent development change him from being what you say he still is and turned him into someone totally loyal and someone much more vulnerable and complex than just a spoil brat.

Third, the characteristics you list (selfishness, etc, etc) are not strictly meant for villains, there’s a lot of heroes with different personalities. Being selfish, mean or immature doesn’t mean they won’t try or do the right thing when they are supposed to. There are multiple examples of that: Emma, Magneto, Charles, Wolverine, etc. And Hellion never was against the X-Men ethos, he always stood by his friends.

Fourth, you describe Hellion as having a nasty disposition, yet he offer himself to go save Laura; or being selfish, yet he did put himself at risk to save Laura from death, even confronting his mentor Emma Frost. Plus, he is one of the more loyal X-Men to his friends (Wither, Cess, etc). You may not see it, but Hellion has change. He lost a lot of friends, he lost the girl he love, their parents let him down, he and his friends became the last generation of a whole species… and that CHANGE Hellion and show so much more to him that solely the things you describe. Go back and check your New X-Men issues, check his reaction to his friends being in danger, his interest in saving Laura, how much he care for Sofia, his little conversation with Dust, how he care for Mercury’s safety, and how much vulnerability and humanness he has shown since his first appearance and maybe you will change your mind. Or maybe not, and you will continue to hate him because of how he was when he was introduced.


You found the words for what I couldn't say.
I love you.
Agree 100.89%

[Vincent America]

First, you say he “lack character” yet you give countless characteristics about his character. Being a spoil brat, selfish, mean, immature and dishonest are not “lack of character”. You may not like that kind of persons, but a lot of persons are define by that. Even being an “attention whore” is not lack of character. It’s not Julian case IMO, but you may perceive it that way.

Second, characters are not immutable. Sure, Hellion was introduce as the one to hate, the anti hero, the one who could potentially turn against the X-Men and became a villain (he even made a Mageto-ish speech at the cafeteria once). But so do Emma, Rogue, Empath, Sunspot, etc. But they have changed since, they CHANGE because of character developments and they became different persons with different aspects of their personality being shown. Recent development change him from being what you say he still is and turned him into someone totally loyal and someone much more vulnerable and complex than just a spoil brat.

Third, the characteristics you list (selfishness, etc, etc) are not strictly meant for villains, there’s a lot of heroes with different personalities. Being selfish, mean or immature doesn’t mean they won’t try or do the right thing when they are supposed to. There are multiple examples of that: Emma, Magneto, Charles, Wolverine, etc. And Hellion never was against the X-Men ethos, he always stood by his friends.

Fourth, you describe Hellion as having a nasty disposition, yet he offer himself to go save Laura; or being selfish, yet he did put himself at risk to save Laura from death, even confronting his mentor Emma Frost. Plus, he is one of the more loyal X-Men to his friends (Wither, Cess, etc). You may not see it, but Hellion has change. He lost a lot of friends, he lost the girl he love, their parents let him down, he and his friends became the last generation of a whole species… and that CHANGE Hellion and show so much more to him that solely the things you describe. Go back and check your New X-Men issues, check his reaction to his friends being in danger, his interest in saving Laura, how much he care for Sofia, his little conversation with Dust, how he care for Mercury’s safety, and how much vulnerability and humanness he has shown since his first appearance and maybe you will change your mind. Or maybe not, and you will continue to hate him because of how he was when he was introduced.


You found the words for what I couldn't say.
I love you.
Agree 100.89%

[The Big G]

Great defense of Julian posts guys:biggrin:


But let's face it Mia is going to wear her Hellion Hate glasses till the end of time:frown:

[timbox]

I agree that Hellion has changed completely. He is now actively working against the X-Men.

He has now been through enough to know better, so defense of his actions just falls flat.

[AcesX1X]

hellion is just pushing the x-men to see how much they will tolerate. cyclops is aware of the situation, and knows it will make him a better x-men to get out this behavior before he become adult.

[coveredinbees]

First, you say he “lack character” yet you give countless characteristics about his character.
There are different ways to use that word. Mia used this definition: moral or ethical quality: a man of fine, honorable character.

[Monty_Cristo]

it occurred to me that Shortpack, being an intelligent and resourceful mutant, likely lives in a grocery store. where else could a person his size get free shortpack-sized food samples?

[Mia]

First, you say he “lack character” yet you give countless characteristics about his character. Being a spoil brat, selfish, mean, immature and dishonest are not “lack of character”. You may not like that kind of persons, but a lot of persons are define by that. Even being an “attention whore” is not lack of character. It’s not Julian case IMO, but you may perceive it that way.

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my definition of the word ‘character’. When I refer to character I mean moral and ethical strength. Something which Hellion has none of.



Second, characters are not immutable. Sure, Hellion was introduce as the one to hate, the anti hero, the one who could potentially turn against the X-Men and became a villain (he even made a Mageto-ish speech at the cafeteria once). But so do Emma, Rogue, Empath, Sunspot, etc. But they have changed since, they CHANGE because of character developments and they became different persons with different aspects of their personality being shown. Recent development change him from being what you say he still is and turned him into someone totally loyal and someone much more vulnerable and complex than just a spoil brat.

Yeah but Hellion has not changed now has he. And from what I have seen it does not look like he has any intention on doing so. He's behaved exactly the same way he did when I was first introduced to him in NXM #20 as he did in recent issus of UXM. Childish, spoilt and mean.


Third, the characteristics you list (selfishness, etc, etc) are not strictly meant for villains, there’s a lot of heroes with different personalities. Being selfish, mean or immature doesn’t mean they won’t try or do the right thing when they are supposed to. There are multiple examples of that: Emma, Magneto, Charles, Wolverine, etc. And Hellion never was against the X-Men ethos, he always stood by his friends.

Sure heroes can have those qualities. Batman, Emma Frost, Namor are some of the most tactless and arrogant characters in comic books. But you know what? At the end of the day they can be counted on to rise above themselves and do the right thing. Helliokn can't. When he's put under pressure or does not get his own way. He goes on the attacks people or throws things.



Fourth, you describe Hellion as having a nasty disposition, yet he offer himself to go save Laura; or being selfish, yet he did put himself at risk to save Laura from death, even confronting his mentor Emma Frost. Plus, he is one of the more loyal X-Men to his friends (Wither, Cess, etc). You may not see it, but Hellion has change. He lost a lot of friends, he lost the girl he love, their parents let him down, he and his friends became the last generation of a whole species… and that CHANGE Hellion and show so much more to him that solely the things you describe. Go back and check your New X-Men issues, check his reaction to his friends being in danger, his interest in saving Laura, how much he care for Sofia, his little conversation with Dust, how he care for Mercury’s safety, and how much vulnerability and humanness he has shown since his first appearance and maybe you will change your mind. Or maybe not, and you will continue to hate him because of how he was when he was introduced.

Yes but being an X-Men (or a Superhero) is more than just standing up for your buddies. Anyone can do that. But the code that the X-Men subscribe includes defending even those that hate and fear them.

Which is something that Hellion does not believe in. In NXM #20 (?) Hellion makes a racist/spiciest comment to David after he lost his powers. And in X-Men/Dark Avengers Utopia he is making a similar statement to a human at march. And considering the fact that he tried to join Magneto with the purpose of harming and hurting the X-Men. I have to wonder how loyal he truly is.

[RoguishGurl]

Yeah but Hellion has not changed now has he. And from what I have seen it does not look like he has any intention on doing so. He's behaved exactly the same way he did when I was first introduced to him in NXM #20 as he did in recent issus of UXM. Childish, spoilt and mean.
He is only 16 years old. He has not even matured fully yet. He has time still to grow and I think he has made a lot of progress. If he was as selfish as you think he is he wouldn't have stayed with Nori in X-Force even though she told him to leave

Sure heroes can have those qualities. Batman, Emma Frost, Namor are some of the most tactless and arrogant characters in comic books. But you know what? At the end of the day they can be counted on to rise above themselves and do the right thing. Helliokn can't. When he's put under pressure or does not get his own way. He goes on the attacks people or throws things.
Actually, he has done that. He did the right thing by rising above killing and not killing Kimura. Also, when he saved Laura, I think that counts as rising above himself to do the right thing. He could have died and he risked the control over his powers to save her. That was a completely selfless thing and he rose above himself to do it.


Yes but being an X-Men (or a Superhero) is more than just standing up for your buddies. Anyone can do that. But the code that the X-Men subscribe includes defending even those that hate and fear them.
And Hellion has done that before on missions. Also, Hellion has protected even those he considers his enemies. He rescued Surge's life many times and refused to abandon her and he basically hates her. He has also saved David's life and stood at the bedside of Elixir.

As for Julian not being what the X-men ideal is, he is more like an X-men than some people who have been on the team. Right now they are even harboring mutant terrorists such as Frenzy.

Which is something that Hellion does not believe in. In NXM #20 (?) Hellion makes a racist/spiciest comment to David after he lost his powers. And in X-Men/Dark Avengers Utopia he is making a similar statement to a human at march. And considering the fact that he tried to join Magneto with the purpose of harming and hurting the X-Men. I have to wonder how loyal he truly is.
The only reason he made that comment to David was not because he was human but because they were rivals before. He would have made a rude comment to David whether or not he was a mutant or not. It was obvious in the way that he tried to reach out to Sofia, tried to make Tag still feel like one of the group and tried to save the depowered students on the bus that he didn't care at all if they were human or not. He still wanted them to be okay. As for the comments in Utopia, I don't think he would have made them if he wasn't still angered by the fact that he was kidnapped and nearly killed by human supremacists and the fact they were trying to control their reproduction.

And with Magneto, he sought out the X-men first after he was abandoned by his parents. So he really thought he had no one else to turn too. At least Surge had Dani, Anole had his family and Northstar, and Nezhno had Storm and Black Panther. But Hellion had no one at all. So it made sense to him to seek out a person who had said they wanted to help all mutants.

[Hakael]

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my definition of the word ‘character’. When I refer to character I mean moral and ethical strength. Something which Hellion has none of.

I'm sorry, you're just ignoring too many appearances to support a statement that Hellion has no moral or ethical strength. He does. You might not always agree with him, but he does have his own set of ethics and for better or worse, has followed them to a fault. He doesn't kill, his friends come first, and bigots gotta pay.

Yeah but Hellion has not changed now has he. And from what I have seen it does not look like he has any intention on doing so. He's behaved exactly the same way he did when I was first introduced to him in NXM #20 as he did in recent issus of UXM. Childish, spoilt and mean.

How was he childish, spoiled or mean in Uncanny? A group of people came to tell him he couldn't breed. Bigots gotta pay. So he fought back. When Osborn cracked down on mutants in SF, Julian decided to make a statement. Sure, it wasn't thought out enough, but the intentions were generally good. Match messed up the protest. He was back to form in X-Force.


Sure heroes can have those qualities. Batman, Emma Frost, Namor are some of the most tactless and arrogant characters in comic books. But you know what? At the end of the day they can be counted on to rise above themselves and do the right thing. Helliokn can't. When he's put under pressure or does not get his own way. He goes on the attacks people or throws things.

You still don't back this up with anything. Hellion goes out of his way to help people he dislikes. He saved a couple of blocks of NY that were filled with people protesting against mutants. He's rescued Surge on multiple occasions, despite generally not getting along with her. He does rise up to do the right thing.

Yes but being an X-Men (or a Superhero) is more than just standing up for your buddies. Anyone can do that. But the code that the X-Men subscribe includes defending even those that hate and fear them.

You could say the same for Cyclops. The entire concept of X-Force is doing harm to those who hate and fear them. I'd say Hellion has a higher standing than Scott at the moment, considering his stance on killing.

Which is something that Hellion does not believe in. In NXM #20 (?) Hellion makes a racist/spiciest comment to David after he lost his powers. And in X-Men/Dark Avengers Utopia he is making a similar statement to a human at march. And considering the fact that he tried to join Magneto with the purpose of harming and hurting the X-Men. I have to wonder how loyal he truly is.

Yes, deep down, Hellion probably does think mutants are better than humans and that they should watch out for their own. But the comment to David wasn't really so much about him being depowered, but to kick him when he was down. They were rivals for a majority of their appearances before that scene. It made sense. He's not referring to the everyday person on the street as a flatscan. As for his loyalties to the X-Men, its a two way street. He likes the heroics, he has friends there, and its something for him to aspire to. But in a situation like Divided We Stand, he felt abandoned... mostly because he was. Where else would he have gone?

[Monty_Cristo]

i don't dislike Hellion. but there's a lot about him that's cliche. he is a walking meathead of clicheness. to be fair, i felt that way about many of the newest new mutants. they didn't feel as new and different as Generation X to me. but i like him better than Elixir. neither one of them can hold a candle to the original Hellions. now those were some complex backgrounds.

[Hakael]

i don't dislike Hellion. but there's a lot about him that's cliche. he is a walking meathead of clicheness. to be fair, i felt that way about many of the newest new mutants. they didn't feel as new and different as Generation X to me. but i like him better than Elixir. neither one of them can hold a candle to the original Hellions. now those were some complex backgrounds.

I don't see him as meathead. Santo, certainly. Onyxx, yep. Julian, nah. There's more there. I honestly think that Julian kicks the tar out of most of the original Hellions. Empath, Tarot, and Catseye are really the only ones there I give a damn about.

[The Big G]

I don't see him as meathead. Santo, certainly. Onyxx, yep. Julian, nah. There's more there. I honestly think that Julian kicks the tar out of most of the original Hellions. Empath, Tarot, and Catseye are really the only ones there I give a damn about.

got to go with Hakael on this one. Each of Julian's Hellions save for Tag had something unique about them or something that could be expanded on.

[Victorious]

Ok, Hakael and RogueishGirl already proved you wrong with great examples, you seems to ignore a lot about Hellion. Anyway….

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my definition of the word ‘character’. When I refer to character I mean moral and ethical strength. Something which Hellion has none of.

Why do you think Hellion has not moral and ethical strength? (Plus, you’re fan of X-23 FOR GOD’S SAKE!). Anyway, back to Hellion… I could give you countless examples of his moral and ethical strength. Just reread my last post on this thread. Now, please give me one example of Julian’s “lack of character” (Fraction’s writing doesn’t count).

Yeah but Hellion has not changed now has he. And from what I have seen it does not look like he has any intention on doing so. He's behaved exactly the same way he did when I was first introduced to him in NXM #20 as he did in recent issus of UXM. Childish, spoilt and mean.

UXM doesn’t count, Fraction has no idea about what he’s writing! He included Sunspot in that riot for god’s sake! Another “WTF?” Fraction moment.

Sure heroes can have those qualities. Batman, Emma Frost, Namor are some of the most tactless and arrogant characters in comic books. But you know what? At the end of the day they can be counted on to rise above themselves and do the right thing. Helliokn can't. When he's put under pressure or does not get his own way. He goes on the attacks people or throws things.

Hellion can’t be counted on to rise above himself and do the right thing? I’m starting to believe you haven’t read Hellion (at least correctly) and your hate is just hate for the sake of it.

Yes but being an X-Men (or a Superhero) is more than just standing up for your buddies. Anyone can do that. But the code that the X-Men subscribe includes defending even those that hate and fear them.

Which is something that Hellion does not believe in. In NXM #20 (?) Hellion makes a racist/spiciest comment to David after he lost his powers. And in X-Men/Dark Avengers Utopia he is making a similar statement to a human at march. And considering the fact that he tried to join Magneto with the purpose of harming and hurting the X-Men. I have to wonder how loyal he truly is.

Hellion was the one who was horrified by X-23 killing people, and even disobey X-23 suggestion to kill Kimura, another example for you…
Now, again, Fraction doesn’t count, Julian was dress like Quentin in that issue (WTF, again). And he tried to join Magneto after he was abandon by the X-Men (let’s talk about loyalties), he was injured and the X-Men just put him to sleep and wouldn’t tell him where his friends were. I think it’s a pretty much understandable reaction to have. And yes, he used to think humans were inferiors, but so do Magneto believe now (and he was a part of the X-Men and apparently will be agian). And being an X-Men is more than think humans and mutants are equals. Again, multiple examples.

[Victorious]

One more thing, how was my haters thread closed and not this one?!

[x-23]

What would happen if Kimura killed Hellion for trowing her out a building?

[DeadPool2]

What would happen if Kimura killed Hellion for trowing her out a building?

That would be great

[DeadPool2]

I THINK I FOUND THE PERFECT PERSON TO PLAY HELLION
Let me post a pic of him ! :)

[Giles]

Sorry, I should have been more clear in my definition of the word ‘character’. When I refer to character I mean moral and ethical strength. Something which Hellion has none of.


Yes, like Wolverine stabbing Rachel to save Selene, or Storm tearing out Marrow's heart or Laura killing people from time to time or Charles manipulation of his students minds. You mean like that kind of ethical strenght?


Yeah but Hellion has not changed now has he. And from what I have seen it does not look like he has any intention on doing so. He's behaved exactly the same way he did when I was first introduced to him in NXM #20 as he did in recent issus of UXM. Childish, spoilt and mean.


Childish? I actually agree since Hellion is still a child. Spoilt? Yes, he was brought up by two parents that wanted nothing but the best for his son. Mean? He saved Surge in more than one way - yeah, that was kind of mean.


Sure heroes can have those qualities. Batman, Emma Frost, Namor are some of the most tactless and arrogant characters in comic books. But you know what? At the end of the day they can be counted on to rise above themselves and do the right thing. Helliokn can't. When he's put under pressure or does not get his own way. He goes on the attacks people or throws things.


Yeah. I mean, it's not as if Batman has done anything like that (recruting children into his personal war), or Emma (leading an evil organisation) or Namor (trying to plunge the planet into war) for that matter.


Yes but being an X-Men (or a Superhero) is more than just standing up for your buddies. Anyone can do that. But the code that the X-Men subscribe includes defending even those that hate and fear them.


You mean like X-Force is currently doing?


Which is something that Hellion does not believe in. In NXM #20 (?) Hellion makes a racist/spiciest comment to David after he lost his powers. And in X-Men/Dark Avengers Utopia he is making a similar statement to a human at march. And considering the fact that he tried to join Magneto with the purpose of harming and hurting the X-Men. I have to wonder how loyal he truly is.

A 16 year old boy abandon by both his families? Maybe he should have done what Laura does, and started to kill some people instead.

[DeadPool2]

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http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq345/NiicktheL0ove/Jared%20Leto/jared_leto_love-1.jpg

:)
He's PERFECT !! :)

[x-23]

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv179/cbrady7308/12111373_Jared_Leto.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa18/3erick052/jared-leto.jpg

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:)
He's PERFECT !! :)

Cute guys perfecit

[DeadPool2]

Cute guys perfecit


It's the same hotttt guy :)
Jared Leto ;)

[x-23]

It's the same hotttt guy :)
Jared Leto ;)

O he's cute.

[Havok83]

Blasphemy! Hellion was the best to come out of the Hellions squad

[Azure]

One more thing, how was my haters thread closed and not this one?!

Because Seres is a genius, and this thread isn't about hating Hellion.

[Bolebeau]

Seres could teach a lot of people here a thing or two about covertly hating something. She's pro.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Is he dead yet?

[Havok83]

Is he dead yet?
No and thank god for that

[BBeeryan]

Hellion does not need to die. There will always be room for a hot head.

[Mia]

Hellion does not need to die. There will always be room for a hot head.

We already have one in Sam 'Cannonball' Guthrie. Sam will get up in your face if you get out of line, or treat him with dis-respect. The thing about Sam though, is that he knows what it is to be a hero, and he won't needlessly hurt other people.

Hot heads I can deal with. Spoiled selfish brats who are mean and cause trouble for others I can't. Hellion must die and very soon!

[darknessatnoon]

We already have one in Sam 'Cannonball' Guthrie. Sam will get up in your face if you get out of line, or treat him with dis-respect. The thing about Sam though, is that he knows what it is to be a hero, and he won't needlessly hurt other people.

Hot heads I can deal with. Spoiled selfish brats who are mean and cause trouble for others I can't. Hellion must die and very soon!

I completely agree with you Mia, on this topic. I feel it's a bonding opportunity for us.

[BBeeryan]

We already have one in Sam 'Cannonball' Guthrie. Sam will get up in your face if you get out of line, or treat him with dis-respect. The thing about Sam though, is that he knows what it is to be a hero, and he won't needlessly hurt other people.

Hot heads I can deal with. Spoiled selfish brats who are mean and cause trouble for others I can't. Hellion must die and very soon!
Well, now that you put it like that, I dunno. But he obviously knows who to pick his fights with, seeing as he has yet to get outta line with Ororo.