The Julian Hellion Keller Appreciation Thread

[4sake]

Since know one else has made Hellion his own solo Thread yet. I deceided to because a certain young X-men character (Ink) shouldn't be mention in the same league or compared to a great character/creation like Hellion. So with that let the love, the hate & the appreciation begin.

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[Seikun21]

Thank you very much 4sake. I will try my best to make sure this thread outlives the other.

[DivaSparkles]

This is ridiculous. You Hellion people are selfish and need to learn to share.

[just another user]

Thats rather rude of you two. I think you'll find that the other thread has "Official" in the title.

[darkblue]

Thanks to KY and new X-Men, Hellion is the character I used to hate and now will actually care about when he dies on Wednesday.

[just another user]

So with that let the love, the hate & the appreciation begin.

So... just to clarify 4sake, we can hate Hellion in this thread?

Anyway, best of luck with your unofficial thread.

[Seikun21]

Thats rather rude of you two. I think you'll find that the other thread has "Official" in the title.

It also has "and Ink" in the title, there's no reason that Julian can't have his own thread.

[DivaSparkles]

It also has "and Ink" in the title, there's no reason that Julian can't have his own thread.

There is also no reason Julian should have his own thread.

[4sake]

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[Seikun21]

There is also no reason Julian should have his own thread.

Cipher has her own thread.

Pixie has several threads.

They have fans who create those threads, Julian has fans who want to create threads. Ergo, Julian should have his own thread.

[4sake]

So... just to clarify 4sake, we can hate Hellion in this thread?

Anyway, best of luck with your unofficial thread.

Yeah sure everyone is entitled to there opinion here. Beside Hellion will be hated on regardless anyway lol :cool: . & thanks lol :smile:

[DivaSparkles]

Cipher has her own thread.

Pixie has several threads.

They have fans who create those threads, Julian has fans who want to create threads. Ergo, Julian should have his own thread.

Desire does not mean necessity

[4sake]

Thats rather rude of you two. I think you'll find that the other thread has "Official" in the title.

That is does, but it also has Ink in it... :confused: :frown: :mad: :confused:

[Prodigy55]

I hope all 3 Hellion threads can exist in harmony. He is good enough for multiple appreciation threads.

[4sake]

Thank you very much 4sake. I will try my best to make sure this thread outlives the other.

Your welcome & Thank you very much...

[Hakael]

This thread is also good. I will live here, to a certain extent.
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[B. Kuwanger]

What's that kid been up to? Loved him in NXM.

[Seikun21]

What's that kid been up to? Loved him in NXM.

Nothing. He's going to appear in next week's issue of X-Force though.

From the previews it appears that he has been kidnapped by the Leper Queen and will be injected by her new strain of the Legacy Virus.

Also we can assume through the previews that he also made the move to San Francisco.

[Hakael]

What's that kid been up to? Loved him in NXM.

Since NXM he has only been featured once, in a Divided We Stand story where he sought out Magneto after being abandoned by the X-Men. He will also be in this month's issue of X-Force, where he is abducted by the Leper Queen... who is injecting mutants with an altered version of the legacy virus. So it may or may not be his last appearance. I'm certainly hoping it will be the first of many in X-Force.

[DivaSparkles]

This thread is also good. I will live here, to a certain extent.


This feels like a homeless shelter.

[Hakael]

This feels like a homeless shelter.

did you just call me a hobo?

[Prodigy55]

did you just call me a hobo?

Watch out of Lois London.

[JValentine]

There is also no reason Julian should have his own thread.

Go cry somewhere else smile:.

[MartinRedmond]

I enjoy that he is obnoxious.

[Psy J]

Omg, Hellion Keller. How have I never caught that.

[RickyD410]

I hope all 3 Hellion threads can exist in harmony. He is good enough for multiple appreciation threads.

Absitively posolutely!

So which is everyone's favorite of Hellion's costumes?

Here is his original badass "look-at-my-cool-X-leather-jacket" costume when he led the Hellions squad:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/136842-6400-hellion.jpg

Or do you prefer his solo costume when he was on the New X-Men Team?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/158686-179270-hellion.jpg

Or his "classic" look when the New X-Men got matching costumes?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/285980-178982-hellion.jpg

And then there's also his House of M uniform. He was the leader of the Hellions squad working for SHIELD.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93545-92127-hellion.jpg

(That last one won't work in the thread for some reason).

[Agent_Torpor]

I can't wait for this kid to bite it, hard.

[Seikun21]

His red and black solo costume with the New X-men was definitely my favorite.

[RickyD410]

His red and black solo costume with the New X-men was definitely my favorite.

I agree, although I really like his HoM uniform as well. The shoulder pads kinda remind me of the Acolytes.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93545-92127-hellion.jpg

[chickrockguitar]

Go Julian! Woo!!

[greenshoes713]

His red and black solo costume with the New X-men was definitely my favorite.

Mine too!

I love this thread!

:biggrin:

[Prodigy55]

I like his original costume with the cut-off gloves and jacket, it was cool.

I hate all the New X-Men yellow/black costumes because of those big ugly boots/glove things they have.

[ChaZ X]

I agree, although I really like his HoM uniform as well. The shoulder pads kinda remind me of the Acolytes.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93545-92127-hellion.jpg

Well given the fact that Shield and their trainee's like the Hellions all basically worked for Magneto, it makes some sense

[Twisted Bliss]

I think Hellion needs to be reactivated in the current X-setup.

He has great potential. I don't necessarily like the last characterisation of him being this goody-two-shoes. He seems to work better as an almost arrogant jock/magneto style quality.

Restore him to that and bring him back I say !

[JValentine]

Mine too!

I love this thread!

:biggrin:

It's my favorite too!

[DivaSparkles]

It's my favorite too!

It must be easy to make you happy.

[JValentine]

It must be easy to make you happy.

I was talking about the costume.

[Seikun21]

It must be easy to make you happy.

Talk about the characters, not other posters please. Talk like that will get you banned.

[greenshoes713]

Talk about the characters, not other posters please. Talk like that will get you banned.

Yeah DivaSparkles :wink:

[4sake]

Animated Hellion from Wolverine & the X-men

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[4sake]

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[Perfection/Emma 2]

I wonder what will be Hellion's last words before he dies:evilsmile:

[chickrockguitar]

He's not gonna die. You'll see. :evilsmile:

[RickyD410]

I love seeing Hellion in Wolverine and the X-Men. It was awesome! But I'm kinda mad that He was just cut out of the final episode! With no explanation, they just completely forgot about him, and didnt write him in. But he was an important part of the episode just before it. LAME!

[Dave13]

lol at his Claim that he is one of worlds strongest mutants in Xforce #13 didn't help him from getting pimpslapped by a powerless Mags did it!

[RickyD410]

lol at his Claim that he is one of worlds strongest mutants in Xforce #13 didn't help him from getting pimpslapped by a powerless Mags did it!

It wasnt just his claim though. Leper Queen said the exact same thing about him. Thats why he was picked. And honestly, he IS one of the strongest. Well, strongest isnt he best word, but he definitely is one of the most powerful. TK is an extremely powerful tool, and can be implemented in a vast variety of ways. Julian can do a LOT.

[Dave13]

It wasnt just his claim though. Leper Queen said the exact same thing about him. Thats why he was picked. And honestly, he IS one of the strongest. Well, strongest isnt he best word, but he definitely is one of the most powerful. TK is an extremely powerful tool, and can be implemented in a vast variety of ways. Julian can do a LOT.

He would only be amongst the top thanks to M-day

I put him In Mid tier ATM his TK his limited by his lack of Finemotor control,

would you really rate him as one of the most powerfull mutants even now after M-day when that tier has people Like Stryfe Cable Cannonball, Legion Vulcan Magneto Exodus apocalypse bobby Frost Havok and Xavier?

[4sake]

He would only be amongst the top thanks to M-day

I put him In Mid tier ATM his TK his limited by his lack of Finemotor control,

would you really rate him as one of the most powerfull mutants even now after M-day when that tier has people Like Stryfe Cable Cannonball, Legion Vulcan Magneto Exodus apocalypse bobby Frost Havok and Xavier?

Yes, he still one of the most powerfully mutants on earth & in 616 marvel u.
U do know Cable very weak right now ? & Stryfe was dead up till a few months ago & he now in the 616. There are very TK users that are more powerful or & have better control.
More powerfully TK users in 616 : Quentin Quire (Omega), Emma Frost (But he can fly using his while she can't) Xavier (same as Emma), Exodus

More control TK users in the 616 : Quentin Quire (Omega) , 3 in1, Exodus, Emma Frost , Xavier,

I honestly believe he stronger & can do more with his powers than Justice can do with his

[Hakael]

Yes, he still one of the most powerfully mutants on earth & in 616 marvel u.
U do know Cable very weak right now ? & Stryfe was dead up till a few months ago & he now in the 616. There are very TK users that are more powerful or & have better control.
More powerfully TK users in 616 : Quentin Quire (Omega), Emma Frost (But he can fly using his while she can't) Xavier (same as Emma), Exodus

More control TK users in the 616 : Quentin Quire (Omega) , 3 in1, Exodus, Emma Frost , Xavier,

I honestly believe he stronger & can do more with his powers than Justice can do with his


Emma, the Cuckoos, and Xavier aren't telekinetics. I don't think Quire was ever billed as anything other than a skilled telepath. Hellion isn't a telepath.

As for his power levels, they are very high. Considering what a majority of mutants can do, he's certainly above mid range. His issues with fine tuning aren't a big deal when he could overpower most.

[justinkos91]

He's not gonna die. You'll see. :evilsmile:

Can you predict the future!?

[RickyD410]

He would only be amongst the top thanks to M-day

I put him In Mid tier ATM his TK his limited by his lack of Finemotor control,

would you really rate him as one of the most powerfull mutants even now after M-day when that tier has people Like Stryfe Cable Cannonball, Legion Vulcan Magneto Exodus apocalypse bobby Frost Havok and Xavier?

Nah. He doesnt need fine motor control to pummel someone, or destroy a sentinel with a glance. Its his raw power that makes him so formidable. Lets look at the mutants you listed: Stryfe, Cable, Vulcan, Magneto, Exodus, Apocalypse, Iceman, Xavier. Almost all of these have been known to be either unlimited in power, or the most terrible, crazy, powerful beings on the planet. If you can compare Julian to these guys, I'd say hes in a good place.

Havok, Emma Frost and Cannonball, I wouldnt put them at that level at all. Theyre no where near that powerful. And Legion, I dont know anything about him. So I cant comment.

[chickrockguitar]

Can you predict the future!?Sort of. :smile:

[Maestro]

I wonder what will be Hellion's last words before he dies:evilsmile:

he's dead right now but no one knows it yet. X-Force will find out when they return from the future. his words were "I'm looking... at.. herrrrr..."

then he passes out

what a jerk.

[Dave13]

Nah. He doesnt need fine motor control to pummel someone, or destroy a sentinel with a glance. Its his raw power that makes him so formidable. Lets look at the mutants you listed: Stryfe, Cable, Vulcan, Magneto, Exodus, Apocalypse, Iceman, Xavier. Almost all of these have been known to be either unlimited in power, or the most terrible, crazy, powerful beings on the planet. If you can compare Julian to these guys, I'd say hes in a good place.



Havok, Emma Frost and Cannonball, I wouldnt put them at that level at all. Theyre no where near that powerful. And Legion, I dont know anything about him. So I cant comment.

My point is that the Top level tier is made of those that have been listed ATM Hellion doesn't warrant a place amongst them

[4sake]

HELLION LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2833&disp=table

[Puunk]

Absitively posolutely!

So which is everyone's favorite of Hellion's costumes?

Here is his original badass "look-at-my-cool-X-leather-jacket" costume when he led the Hellions squad:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/136842-6400-hellion.jpg

Or do you prefer his solo costume when he was on the New X-Men Team?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/158686-179270-hellion.jpg

Or his "classic" look when the New X-Men got matching costumes?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/285980-178982-hellion.jpg

And then there's also his House of M uniform. He was the leader of the Hellions squad working for SHIELD.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93545-92127-hellion.jpg

(That last one won't work in the thread for some reason).

The "classic" look when all the New X-Men got matching costumes was definitely my favourite. Hellion in general is one of my favourite characters.

[eggie]

Absitively posolutely!

So which is everyone's favorite of Hellion's costumes?

Here is his original badass "look-at-my-cool-X-leather-jacket" costume when he led the Hellions squad:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/136842-6400-hellion.jpg

Or do you prefer his solo costume when he was on the New X-Men Team?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/4226/158686-179270-hellion.jpg

Or his "classic" look when the New X-Men got matching costumes?
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/285980-178982-hellion.jpg

And then there's also his House of M uniform. He was the leader of the Hellions squad working for SHIELD.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93545-92127-hellion.jpg

(That last one won't work in the thread for some reason).

I like the matching New X-Men uniform and the black and red without the jacket...Hellion rocks!!

[infernohara]

Hellion is so great. Just all kinds of awesome.

I guess people don't like arrogant characters or something, but I can't get enough of them.

[4sake]

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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/361822-71135-hellion_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/71135-hellion/105-361822/)

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[Slung]

Hellion fans:

Does Julian's TK allow him to stimulate his hair follicles and cause rapid hair growth? Or does he get weaves?

[4sake]

Hellion fans:

Does Julian's TK allow him to stimulate his hair follicles and cause rapid hair growth? Or does he get weaves?

Hmmm, never thought of that b4. I'd say yes his TK does llow him to stimulate his hair & makes it grow fast. :cool: :biggrin: :smile:

[Mia]

Hellion reminds me of a character I used to watch on a US soap called the Bold and the Beautiful. The character's name is Brooke Logan, to bottom line it she's a low grade skank, who talks like a 14 year old girl and cries. Yet for this character seems to have a legion of fans. Hellion reminds me of Brooke.

Hellion seems like nothing but a self absorbed a/hole who can't get over himself and who actually takes fiendish glee in other people's misforutunes. Also unlike the bigger dicks in comics books (ie. Batman, Namor). Hellion has no redeeming qualities, such as being brave, smart or a good fighter. Sure he's saved a few people once and awhile. Bun on a whole his bad qualities far outweigh the good.

Since this is an appreciation thread...maybe you guys can tell me what about the character you guys love. Thanks.

[4sake]

Hellion reminds me of a character I used to watch on a US soap called the Bold and the Beautiful. The character's name is Brooke Logan, to bottom line it she's a low grade skank, who talks like a 14 year old girl and cries. Yet for this character seems to have a legion of fans. Hellion reminds me of Brooke.

Hellion seems like nothing but a self absorbed a/hole who can't get over himself and who actually takes fiendish glee in other people's misforutunes. Also unlike the bigger dicks in comics books (ie. Batman, Namor). Hellion has no redeeming qualities, such as being brave, smart or a good fighter. Sure he's saved a few people once and awhile. Bun on a whole his bad qualities far outweigh the good.

Since this is an appreciation thread...maybe you guys can tell me what about the character you guys love. Thanks.

I like Hellion because he reminds me of young Magneto & Namor in some ways. I like that he call non mutants Flat-Scan & feel that mutants are better than the ape men. I know you can't see his redeeming qualities because you seem to hate him with a passion lol. But he does He really does love & care about his friends (Dust, Mercury, X-23, Rockslide & Anole ) its been show many times in the comics that he does care/love them & had some/few touching moments with them. Usually people who hate Hellion choose to discount & ignore those moments.

I love that he told Pixie to shut up & then started beating the hell out of racist Ape men because I would have done that exact same thing lol. I love take he has a take freedom & right attitude (because thats how I am also) & not talking about/waiting around for the to aspected & assimilated in the apeman's society.

[Dave13]

DO not Compare the great villain and revolitionary figure Magneto to Hellion

He's a Flat Character that was given too much page time, one of two mistakes from normaly first class authors

[4sake]

DO not Compare the great villain and revolitionary figure Magneto to Hellion

He's a Flat Character that was given too much page time, one of two mistakes from normaly first class authors

That's your opinion... Just because you have one doesn't make it right or true. & while your in here dissing Hellion (which you seem to do alot on here for whatever) I'd like to informed you that your fav. Character is kind of a Rip off of this guy. Enjoy :evilsmile:

http://www.comicvine.com/desert-ghost/29-41319/

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/138757-25091-desert-ghost_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/25091-desert-ghost/105-138757/)

[Hakael]

Hellion reminds me of a character I used to watch on a US soap called the Bold and the Beautiful. The character's name is Brooke Logan, to bottom line it she's a low grade skank, who talks like a 14 year old girl and cries. Yet for this character seems to have a legion of fans. Hellion reminds me of Brooke.

Hellion seems like nothing but a self absorbed a/hole who can't get over himself and who actually takes fiendish glee in other people's misforutunes. Also unlike the bigger dicks in comics books (ie. Batman, Namor). Hellion has no redeeming qualities, such as being brave, smart or a good fighter. Sure he's saved a few people once and awhile. Bun on a whole his bad qualities far outweigh the good.

Since this is an appreciation thread...maybe you guys can tell me what about the character you guys love. Thanks.

you've either not read anything other than his last few appearances (Divided We Stand to current) or you've got blinders on. Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters. He risks his life to save his friends on multiple occasions, he always does the right thing and pays for it every time. By all circumstances, Hellion should be a bad guy. His association with the X-Men cost him everything. His family abandoned him, many of his friends are dead, and he's nearly joined them multiple times. But we see him now, still hanging with the X-Men. Is it because he has nowhere left to go? Or is it because what Magneto said to him, that he desperately wants to be an X-Man. He wants to be the hero. Its part of his identity.

Granted, some of the motivation for being heroic is his ego. The fortune and fame would feed that. But most of the time, its to protect his friends. People he is loyal to a fault with. He doesn't accept failure, he saved Laura when all his peers said it would be hopeless. He went after Mercury after she was kidnapped because she was his friend, and thus it was his responsibility.

He has flaws, thats a good thing from a character perspective. His fierce defense of his friends often translates to turning quickly against people who betray him. He has no tolerance for mutant haters and will act quickly and and often hastily against them.

[4sake]

you've either not read anything other than his last few appearances (Divided We Stand to current) or you've got blinders on. Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters. He risks his life to save his friends on multiple occasions, he always does the right thing and pays for it every time. By all circumstances, Hellion should be a bad guy. His association with the X-Men cost him everything. His family abandoned him, many of his friends are dead, and he's nearly joined them multiple times. But we see him now, still hanging with the X-Men. Is it because he has nowhere left to go? Or is it because what Magneto said to him, that he desperately wants to be an X-Man. He wants to be the hero. Its part of his identity.

Granted, some of the motivation for being heroic is his ego. The fortune and fame would feed that. But most of the time, its to protect his friends. People he is loyal to a fault with. He doesn't accept failure, he saved Laura when all his peers said it would be hopeless. He went after Mercury after she was kidnapped because she was his friend, and thus it was his responsibility.

He has flaws, thats a good thing from a character perspective. His fierce defense of his friends often translates to turning quickly against people who betray him. He has no tolerance for mutant haters and will act quickly and and often hastily against them.

Good timing Hakael..(with the Haters of Hellion on the attack an all) :biggrin: :cool: :smile: :biggrin:

[chickrockguitar]

you've either not read anything other than his last few appearances (Divided We Stand to current) or you've got blinders on. Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters. He risks his life to save his friends on multiple occasions, he always does the right thing and pays for it every time. By all circumstances, Hellion should be a bad guy. His association with the X-Men cost him everything. His family abandoned him, many of his friends are dead, and he's nearly joined them multiple times. But we see him now, still hanging with the X-Men. Is it because he has nowhere left to go? Or is it because what Magneto said to him, that he desperately wants to be an X-Man. He wants to be the hero. Its part of his identity.

Granted, some of the motivation for being heroic is his ego. The fortune and fame would feed that. But most of the time, its to protect his friends. People he is loyal to a fault with. He doesn't accept failure, he saved Laura when all his peers said it would be hopeless. He went after Mercury after she was kidnapped because she was his friend, and thus it was his responsibility.

He has flaws, thats a good thing from a character perspective. His fierce defense of his friends often translates to turning quickly against people who betray him. He has no tolerance for mutant haters and will act quickly and and often hastily against them.Very well said! :biggrin:

[Dave13]

That's your opinion... Just because you have one doesn't make it right or true. & while your in here dissing Hellion (which you seem to do alot on here for whatever) I'd like to informed you that your fav. Character is kind of a Rip off of this guy. Enjoy :evilsmile:


Where did i claim it was Right exactly? I merely stated my opinion which 'm free to do and will continue to do. Something you do just as much as i do.

As for the rip off Issue, IMO a Rip off of a Pretty cool character is by some margin cooler and more intresting than a Character stereotype






you've either not read anything other than his last few appearances (Divided We Stand to current) or you've got blinders on. Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters.

Even I a Hellion hater has to admit that the Guy has done some pretty cool crap and Deserves the Title of a Hero, But the Most Heroic of the lot? NO WAY

Courage Bravery, Being a champion of virtues, noble or a person who posses admirable qualities These things are what a Hero is and while Hellion has defintly qualified himself to be a Heroic guy. but he is far from being the most heroic of the New X-men? Thats Just Fan arrogance

Yea a Guy who is one of the most powerfull people on the planet thanks to his mutancy who fights evil is braver than others that fight the same dangers with no amazing TK?



He risks his life to save his friends on multiple occasions,

Yes he does, But thats it he saves his friends no more, i don't see him helping neutral people or even trying to help characters that are "Bad" despite being unjust unlike other New Xmen


he always does the right thing and pays for it every time

What series have you been reading? Hellion has on countless times done morally lackng actions that have done nothing but cause pain and tension for his amusement ( which was kind of Funny but not the point)



By all circumstances, Hellion should be a bad guy.

Please Loads of characters have worse sob stories than hellion and are fighting for the right side.



His association with the X-Men cost him everything. His family abandoned him,

They abandoned him because he was a mutant thats happened to many characters heck Elixir's parents did it to his face , David was refused his dream because he was a mutant, Sofia was emotionally starved/abandoned by her father for years. All of them have worse or equal traumatic pasts and are better than Hellion, Lets not start to mention the Characters that have surfered the real horrific pasts.




many of his friends are dead,

I count Tag? thats the only person hellion cared about who's dead, he plainly stated his contempt for the others who no longer possesed powers right after M-day. So don't make it sound like he was heartbroken by the students deaths.


Granted, some of the motivation for being heroic is his ego. The fortune and fame would feed that. But most of the time, its to protect his friends. People he is loyal to a fault with. He doesn't accept failure, he saved Laura when all his peers said it would be hopeless. He went after Mercury after she was kidnapped because she was his friend, and thus it was his responsibility.

Hellion wasn't the only person that suported Laura, Emma was against her if thats what you mean all her peers, and if i'm correct his first encounter with Laura he wasn't at all nice


He has flaws, thats a good thing from a character perspective. His fierce defense of his friends often translates to turning quickly against people who betray him. He has no tolerance for mutant haters and will act quickly and and often hastily against them.

Yea he's one of those people who believe that when someone Hurts you the best counter is to respond in kind that rarely works but hey.

[4sake]

Where did i claim it was Right exactly? I merely stated my opinion which 'm free to do and will continue to do. Something you do just as much as i do.


I never you that you said your were right. I was say just because you believe something/feel a certain way doesn't make true such when you said he's a flat character :rolleyes: . & yeah your entitle to your opinion but you attack hellion in the Hellion Thread, you attack Hellion in the New X-men Thread. & not because of anything the character did in canon/comic storyrelated, but because you don't like that they gave him move lines & panel time than your favorite character. All I saying I dont attack Josh every other post & If there was a Elixir Thread I wouldn't come in there dissing him everytime I posted in that Thread.

[Hakael]

Hellion has a tendency to go out of his way to help people he doesn't necessarily get along with, including bad guys. He was adamant that Laura not kill people and refused to kill Kimura. When he thought David was physically assaulting Nori, he sent him into the ceiling and got sucker punched for turning his attention away from him to make sure she was ok.

As for being the most heroic... name somebody else in NXM that's jumped out to the front lines every single time, that watches everyone's back in the fight, and takes the safety of the team upon himself and acts instead of just stressing under the pressure. Its taken its toll, but he's personally rescued a majority of the team in battle. Just look at the Nimrod fight, or when he wouldn't abandon Laura to fight alone when they rescued Mercury.

[4sake]

On comicvine they bring up interesting & canon reasoning on why Hellion was wearing similar shirt/sweater as the Omega gang once did.

The poster Korg states :

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-40454/is-hellions-shirt-choice-in-uxm-an-allusion-to-quentin-quire/92-399031/

[7thangel]

As for being the most heroic... name somebody else in NXM that's jumped out to the front lines every single time, that watches everyone's back in the fight, and takes the safety of the team upon himself and acts instead of just stressing under the pressure. Its taken its toll, but he's personally rescued a majority of the team in battle. Just look at the Nimrod fight, or when he wouldn't abandon Laura to fight alone when they rescued Mercury.a few, david (even when he lost his powers), surge, dust, etc. he's not anymore 'heroic' than any other of the students (as long as they're actually written into the storyline, which they weren't in mercury falling), but he has fallen short to others in other areas.

i'm not here to big him up or tear him down in this thread but felt i had to state a little something. i'm out

[just another user]

On comicvine they bring up interesting & canon reasoning on why Hellion was wearing similar shirt/sweater as the Omega gang once did.

The poster Korg states :

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-40454/is-hellions-shirt-choice-in-uxm-an-allusion-to-quentin-quire/92-399031/

I wonder what this will mean for Hellion in forthcoming issues of Utopia - it looks like they are building him up to be the next Kid Omega.

[Mia]

you've either not read anything other than his last few appearances (Divided We Stand to current) or you've got blinders on. Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters. He risks his life to save his friends on multiple occasions, he always does the right thing and pays for it every time. By all circumstances, Hellion should be a bad guy. His association with the X-Men cost him everything. His family abandoned him, many of his friends are dead, and he's nearly joined them multiple times. But we see him now, still hanging with the X-Men. Is it because he has nowhere left to go? Or is it because what Magneto said to him, that he desperately wants to be an X-Man. He wants to be the hero. Its part of his identity.

Granted, some of the motivation for being heroic is his ego. The fortune and fame would feed that. But most of the time, its to protect his friends. People he is loyal to a fault with. He doesn't accept failure, he saved Laura when all his peers said it would be hopeless. He went after Mercury after she was kidnapped because she was his friend, and thus it was his responsibility.

He has flaws, thats a good thing from a character perspective. His fierce defense of his friends often translates to turning quickly against people who betray him. He has no tolerance for mutant haters and will act quickly and and often hastily against them.

7thangel and Dave13 basically covered what I wanted to say. But no don't have blinders on when it comes to Hellion. I've read what he's done in the pages of NXM and Divided We Stand. And it just boggles my mind how a character so odious and self-centered can have following. But I guess it's easy when you just ignore them.

Talk about blinders.

[FiddleFaddle]

7thangel and Dave13 basically covered what I wanted to say. But no don't have blinders on when it comes to Hellion. I've read what he's done in the pages of NXM and Divided We Stand. And it just boggles my mind how a character so odious and self-centered can have following. But I guess it's easy when you just ignore them.

Talk about blinders.

Why do you go to an appreciation thread to hate, it's just not classy. I bet you wouldn't like it if people were trolling the X-23 thread?

[Hakael]

a few, david (even when he lost his powers), surge, dust, etc. he's not anymore 'heroic' than any other of the students (as long as they're actually written into the storyline, which they weren't in mercury falling), but he has fallen short to others in other areas.

i'm not here to big him up or tear him down in this thread but felt i had to state a little something. i'm out

He certainly had more panel time to show off in C&C's NXM than some others. But I do think his heroism tied to his personality flaws makes him one of the more interesting of the characters.

[darknessatnoon]

I wonder what this will mean for Hellion in forthcoming issues of Utopia - it looks like they are building him up to be the next Kid Omega.

He dresses like Quentin Quire; acts like Rachel Grey.

[Bronze Badger]

He dresses like Quentin Quire; acts like Rachel Grey.

I like Hellion, but that description is spot on. If he ever sports a mullet, I will disavow that I ever liked him.

[Mia]

Why do you go to an appreciation thread to hate, it's just not classy.

But I'm not trolling on this thread. I came to get an explanation and understanding as as to why people like a character, whom I find to be selfish and immature. And I never got a straight answer.


I bet you wouldn't like it if people were trolling the X-23 thread?

I personally wouldn't care. People are free to post what they like.

[Hakael]

But I'm not trolling on this thread. I came to get an explanation and understanding as as to why people like a character, whom I find to be selfish and immature. And I never got a straight answer.

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We certainly have given you a straight answer. We like him because of his flaws.

[FiddleFaddle]

But I'm not trolling on this thread. I came to get an explanation and understanding as as to why people like a character, whom I find to be selfish and immature. And I never got a straight answer.



I personally wouldn't care. People are free to post what they like.

Actually I think three different people gave you a response.

[Dave13]

Hellion has a tendency to go out of his way to help people he doesn't necessarily get along with, including bad guys. He was adamant that Laura not kill people and refused to kill Kimura. When he thought David was physically assaulting Nori, he sent him into the ceiling and got sucker punched for turning his attention away from him to make sure she was ok.


True He did Spare Lives but was that him or the X man that he's Supposed to be?

And why did he jump to the assumption that David was assaulting surge? when David has never shown even a hint of being capable of that, I know why he allowed his dislike of David to to affect his judgements






As for being the most heroic... name somebody else in NXM that's jumped out to the front lines every single time, that watches everyone's back in the fight, and takes the safety of the team upon himself and acts instead of just stressing under the pressure. Its taken its toll, but he's personally rescued a majority of the team in battle. Just look at the Nimrod fight, or when he wouldn't abandon Laura to fight alone when they rescued Mercury.

You don't get it if you're going to try and judge who the most heroic of them is you have to judge them based of the broad definition of what a Hero is, Not just on how many Saves they've tallied up. Which includes things like Nobility, morality and Courage

Wind Dancer, Prodigy, Surge and even Dust have all shown more Heroic qualities than Hellion.

Yes Hellion has Flaws and they make him intresting but his Flaws aren't as Intresting or as impressive as Others

[Mia]

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We certainly have given you a straight answer. We like him because of his flaws.

That's not what you posted orignally. You said that 'Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters.' Until someone pointed out that to be the exact opposite. That's fine if you like the character because you like that he's jerk. But I'm trying to figure out why someone would find a character who is so jerky likeable. I just don't get it.

[Mia]

Hellion is so great. Just all kinds of awesome.

I guess people don't like arrogant characters or something, but I can't get enough of them.

I love arrogant characters, Batman, Emma Frost, Namor, Aquaman, heck even X-23 is a bit high on hereself. It's so delicious to read about their belief in themselves. But as arrogant as all these characters are. They at least have good reasons for being the way they are. They're either super smart, super rich and very, very good at what they do. Most of them are actually self-made people.

But Hellion...what has he done? Nothing. He's born a mutant with special powers. So what?

[Robbiebob_16]

I hope all 3 Hellion threads can exist in harmony. He is good enough for multiple appreciation threads.
agreed! Thank you 4sake, it's about time Julian felt some love/hate... but hopefully mostly love.:biggrin:

[RoguishGurl]

I enjoy Hellion's character because while he may be a jerk, he is one who would risk anything for the people he cares about. He risked his life to save X-23 when all the other New X-men and Emma would've let her die. He was hell bent on saving Mercury when the Facility kidnapped her. No one here will deny he's a jerk and has a bad temper. But is is a very caring character too. Just look how his moments with Dust and Mercury.

I love arrogant characters, Batman, Emma Frost, Namor, Aquaman, heck even X-23 is a bit high on hereself. It's so delicious to read about their belief in themselves. But as arrogant as all these characters are. They at least have good reasons for being the way they are. They're either super smart, super rich and very, very good at what they do. Most of them are actually self-made people.

But Hellion...what has he done? Nothing. He's born a mutant with special powers. So what?
He was probably spoiled by his rich parents. And the fact that he was Emma's favorite student probably got to his head too.

[Hakael]

That's not what you posted orignally. You said that 'Hellion is the most heroic of the the New X-Men characters.' Until someone pointed out that to be the exact opposite. That's fine if you like the character because you like that he's jerk. But I'm trying to figure out why someone would find a character who is so jerky likeable. I just don't get it.

I stand by my statement, I think he is the most heroic of the team. His personality flaws don't negate his heroism, they give him depth. I'm not trying to convince you of his likability. He's not for everyone. But there is more there than selfishness and jackassery.

and Dave, Prodigy had Surge restrained from behind... and it was right after she had lashed out and kissed Hellion. Julian saw and thought the worst... it was well intentioned.

[Ratwedge]

I stand by my statement, I think he is the most heroic of the team. His personality flaws don't negate his heroism, they give him depth. I'm not trying to convince you of his likability. He's not for everyone. But there is more there than selfishness and jackassery.

and Dave, Prodigy had Surge restrained from behind... and it was right after she had lashed out and kissed Hellion. Julian saw and thought the worst... it was well intentioned.

They might not negate them but there are others on the team who don't have them and thus make them more qualified for the title.

[Hakael]

They might not negate them but there are others on the team who don't have them and thus make them more qualified for the title.

no, it makes them better people. not more heroic.

[Ratwedge]

no, it makes them better people. not more heroic.

You cant discount that when it suits you. You claimed he was the most heroic and then you claim that his copious amount of flaws dont count, only in terms of him being a person, yet isnt it the person that makes the Hero? You cant have one without the other otherwise each is just a fake without substance.


Hellion is heroic, but the most heroic? Nah. Others are deserving of that title more than an impulsive kid whos always having to remind people hes "one of the most powerful mutants on the planet".

[Hakael]

You cant discount that when it suits you. You claimed he was the most heroic and then you claim that his copious amount of flaws dont count, only in terms of him being a person, yet isnt it the person that makes the Hero? You cant have one without the other otherwise each is just a fake without substance.


Hellion is heroic, but the most heroic? Nah. Others are deserving of that title more than an impulsive kid whos always having to remind people hes "one of the most powerful mutants on the planet".

Actions speak louder than words, and Hellion's are heroic. Its certainly just my opinion, but I don't see others naming names and giving examples to back it... just saying I'm wrong.

[Ratwedge]

Actions speak louder than words, and Hellion's are heroic. Its certainly just my opinion, but I don't see others naming names and giving examples to back it... just saying I'm wrong.

Action speaks louder than words?

The weakest New X-Men purposely gets into a fight with one of the X-Men most dangerous foes. What does he do when the chips are down? He runs away, grabs a gun, runs back and opens fire on him and then calls the play that wins the fight. Dont need no TK to be a champion.

When the kids went after the purifiers? He pointed out that this wasn't the right thing to do, that this was at best a chance for pure and simple revenge and didnt focus on the goals of locating the Messiah. Look what happened to those kids. Go Hellion you got stabbed because you were stupid.

When Elixir got into a fight with the Hellions because he was once a Reaver, who jumped in to the fight to back him up just because he was outnumbered? Oh thats right, Hellion the most Heroic started this fight. Oh well at least the real hero was here to back up Elixir.

Also, this New X-Men isnt a racist.

[7thangel]

Actions speak louder than words, and Hellion's are heroic. Its certainly just my opinion, but I don't see others naming names and giving examples to back it... just saying I'm wrong.damn, i'm back doing what i said i didn't want to do but i have to answer this. i gave names...david, even after losing his powers, nori (hell, some may say that her sacrificing her love/like for david to keep him safe is heroic in of itself that should be added to her regular acts, i disagree), dust, mercury, sofia, etc, etc.

matter of fact, hellion abandoning those that lost their powers, fostering bad feelings and effing up the morale prior to the wallpaper kids day of reckoning, and that whole mess he attempted during the wither issue definitely keep him from the title of most heroic. that's not a bad thing and it doesn't mean he can't achieve it in the future, but he's not there yet.

srsly, i'm going to stop, this isn't the thread to discuss this as some may think this is trolling, instead of simply discussing a pov

[Ecks-man]

I think it's a shame that more people don't like Hellion. Out of the New X-Men he definitely seemed like one of the characters with the most personality whereas a lot of the New X-Men had pretty paper thin character in the beginning, if you ask me. Granted, they all evolved into more dynamic characters but in the proper frame of mind no one was really more or less heroic than Hellion.

Why do I like Hellion? He has pride not to let himself be walked all over. He has pride to stand up for his fellow mutants. He's not the one-dimensional jerk he's been made out to be because we've seen his introspective side and we know that he cares deeply and is loyal to his friends. Sure, Julian has his share of faults, as does every good character, but that adds to the appeal; in spite of those faults you can see greatness in that particular character and want to see them grow into it.

Maybe some of you don't agree with me. That's fine. However, I know Hellion's a good character and hope he continues to have a future with the X-books.

[4sake]

Hellion Fan Art from Comicvine

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/831757-new_xmen__hellion___colors_by_govem_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/new_xmen__hellion___colors_by_govem/105-831757/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/831737-hellion_by_shafcrawler_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/hellion_by_shafcrawler/105-831737/)

[just another user]

I think it's a shame that more people don't like Hellion. Out of the New X-Men he definitely seemed like one of the characters with the most personality whereas a lot of the New X-Men had pretty paper thin character in the beginning, if you ask me. Granted, they all evolved into more dynamic characters but in the proper frame of mind no one was really more or less heroic than Hellion.

Why do I like Hellion? He has pride not to let himself be walked all over. He has pride to stand up for his fellow mutants. He's not the one-dimensional jerk he's been made out to be because we've seen his introspective side and we know that he cares deeply and is loyal to his friends. Sure, Julian has his share of faults, as does every good character, but that adds to the appeal; in spite of those faults you can see greatness in that particular character and want to see them grow into it.

Maybe some of you don't agree with me. That's fine. However, I know Hellion's a good character and hope he continues to have a future with the X-books.

Nice post. You've articulated the attraction in flawed and superficially unlikeable characters. You need folk like this to tell a story. For what it's worth, the reasons you've given are also the reasons I like Ink, another unfairly maligned character.

[4sake]

I wonder what this will mean for Hellion in forthcoming issues of Utopia - it looks like they are building him up to be the next Kid Omega.

Could be, Because It not like there going to bring Omega back other than to battle the Sentry a min & then killed.

[RoguishGurl]

Nice post. You've articulated the attraction in flawed and superficially unlikeable characters. You need folk like this to tell a story. For what it's worth, the reasons you've given are also the reasons I like Ink, another unfairly maligned character.

So you didn't like my reasons? Fine then. Be that way.

[just another user]

So you didn't like my reasons? Fine then. Be that way.

Ugh, I didn't see your reasons. OK, I'll go read.

[just another user]

OK RoguishGurl, I went back and re-read your reasons, I think Ecks-man's reasons are better.

In fact, your reasons are pretty poor and I don't agree with them in the slightest.

[Giles]

Hellion Fan Art from Comicvine

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/831757-new_xmen__hellion___colors_by_govem_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/new_xmen__hellion___colors_by_govem/105-831757/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/831737-hellion_by_shafcrawler_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/hellion_by_shafcrawler/105-831737/)

Good morning/evening/night 4sake! :wink:

I'm working a night-shift, so I shouldn't be on the net, but.... lol

I love the last pic of Hellion, it's refreshing to see a psi with green/emerald energies.

I don't know that much about Hellion; I know that he's rich and that he manifest his teke through his hands. If compared to a teke like Betsy, would you say that the mastery that he has of his teke is higher or lower (than Betsy)?

[4sake]

Good morning/evening/night 4sake! :wink:

I'm working a night-shift, so I shouldn't be on the net, but.... lol

I love the last pic of Hellion, it's refreshing to see a psi with green/emerald energies.

I don't know that much about Hellion; I know that he's rich and that he manifest his teke through his hands. If compared to a teke like Betsy, would you say that the mastery that he has of his teke is higher or lower (than Betsy)?

It's like afternoon/evening here.. But right back at you Giles.

Lower that Betsy will it come to mastery/control, but he make more powerful than her when it come to raw power. It would be great idf she come help/show how to control it better. Also he's not rich anymore his parents disown, abandon him & took him out the will for being a X-men & for not hiding his mutant powers.

[Giles]

Also he's not rich anymore his parents disown, abandon him & took him out the will for being a X-men & for not hiding his mutant powers.

Poor guy; having psi-powers are like having a winning ticket when it comes to mutant powers (imo). His parents got that angry?

Yes, a meeting between him and Betsy would be nice. Maybe they could invite Laura along for a trip/small vacation. lol

[4sake]

Poor guy; having psi-powers are like having a winning ticket when it comes to mutant powers (imo). His parents got that angry?

Yes, a meeting between him and Betsy would be nice. Maybe they could invite Laura along for a trip/small vacation. lol

That would be a cool/great story to read. That they are they even moved with out telling him lol. So he has no idea where they are & it was implied that he & his older brother don't get along so he'd more than likely turn away to. (the parents left him all the money, control interest in there company & etc.) So all he kind got now is the x-men (which Emma took from him for a while.)

[The Big G]

What i like about Hellion is that he's somewhat a morally gray character, he can be a great hero or villain and its interesting to see where the writers are willing to take him. Though as much as i love seeing him and Laura together they need to stop having him get hurt/captured and then Laura going bat shit insane of the bad guy. It gets stale kinda fast.

[Personamanx]

I like him as a character. He's an Ass but you know deep down he always has good intentions.

[Supercoolshay]

Concerning his actions in Utopia.

His main flaw is that he is young. He is young and he has been trained to lead. So he will do what he knows how to do: Lead.

However; because of the fact that he is young, he doesn't see the whole picture. And he acts upon his limited knowledge of the situation, and because he is a leader, his peers. (Even though some are older and should be wiser than him) will follow.

He does what he thinks should be done.

But his ignorance and arrogance makes his actions void.

[Hakael]

Concerning his actions in Utopia.

His main flaw is that he is young. He is young and he has been trained to lead. So he will do what he knows how to do: Lead.

However; because of the fact that he is young, he doesn't see the whole picture. And he acts upon his limited knowledge of the situation, and because he is a leader, his peers. (Even though some are older and should be wiser than him) will follow.

He does what he thinks should be done.

But his ignorance and arrogance makes his actions void.

I like this critique. With some time under a real leader, somebody to observe, he has a lot of potential. But right now, he's too brash and arrogant to take it as a responsibility. He acts on his personal views, and doesn't question if his opinion of what should be done is in the best interests of anyone else.

[The Big G]

I like this critique. With some time under a real leader, somebody to observe, he has a lot of potential. But right now, he's too brash and arrogant to take it as a responsibility. He acts on his personal views, and doesn't question if his opinion of what should be done is in the best interests of anyone else.

Unfortunately all his leader/adult role models have kinda back stabbed him at one point or another so it would be hard to see him follow a real leader.

On that note i do agree that the J-Man needs a role model that wont back stab him, the kid has so much potential and raw power its a shame to see him waste his potential doing the shit he's been doing. But i guess that just part of growing up or he just needs to get laid.:cool:

[Supercoolshay]

. With some time under a real leader, somebody to observe, he has a lot of potential. But right now, he's too brash and arrogant to take it as a responsibility. He acts on his personal views, and doesn't question if his opinion of what should be done is in the best interests of anyone else.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's doing it out of selfish motivation.

But other than that Exactly, he knows how to lead, but part of leading is learning to let people (like Scott) be in control of the situation. Scott has failed his students in that part of their training.

[Hakael]

I don't think its 100% selfish, but that is certainly the key aspect.
Hellion's always had to fight between doing the right thing and feeding his ego, and there are plenty of areas where the two intersect. His leadership abilities are part of that, its something he takes pride in... which is why Emma took it away from him. It was a punishment.

[Supercoolshay]

I don't think its 100% selfish, but that is certainly the key aspect.
Hellion's always had to fight between doing the right thing and feeding his ego, and there are plenty of areas where the two intersect. His leadership abilities are part of that, its something he takes pride in... which is why Emma took it away from him. It was a punishment.

I think Emma's punishment was more "I'm in control and don't you forget it". She gave the leadership role to Surge after Julian refused to knock x-23 out of the epic danger room battle. It was my perspective that she was just asserting her authority more than anything else.

[Hakael]

I considered it more of a humiliation, that it was obvious to everyone that Julian was essentially getting demoted. Emma later said it was because she trusted Surge to protect the kids, even from her... suggesting that Hellion probably wouldn't have disobeyed much had he and Emma remained close. But I still say that was a cop out, and part of Emma breaking under the circumstances. Her strained relationship with Julian and Cessily (and to a lesser degree Sooraya and Santo) is something I'd love to see at least addressed more often, especially now given the two being at odds.

[The Big G]

I think Emma's punishment was more "I'm in control and don't you forget it". She gave the leadership role to Surge after Julian refused to knock x-23 out of the epic danger room battle. It was my perspective that she was just asserting her authority more than anything else.

That and she was afraid that Laura would steal her future boy toy:biggrin:

But in all seriousness putting Surge in charge was just a bitch slap/ punishment to Julian, yet she can get away with it under the idea: "a true leader knows when to follow".

But back to this idea: Who would be a good mentor to Julian, because god knows he needs one.

[Hakael]

I'd love to see Hellion get some panel time with Exodus, especially now given what Exodus has decided after dealing with Xavier.

[Supercoolshay]

I considered it more of a humiliation, that it was obvious to everyone that Julian was essentially getting demoted.

That's exactly what I said in different words. Humiliation is an effective way to assert authority. Not the best way... but certainly effective.

Emma later said it was because she trusted Surge to protect the kids, even from her... suggesting that Hellion probably wouldn't have disobeyed much had he and Emma remained close. But I still say that was a cop out, and part of Emma breaking under the circumstances.

That happened after Surge made the exact same mistake Julian just made. Taking the leadership role and making a decision based on a limited amount of information. I interpreted it as Emma offering an encouragement after a failure which nearly cost some of the kids (including Julian's) lives.

Her strained relationship with Julian and Cessily (and to a lesser degree Sooraya and Santo) is something I'd love to see at least addressed more often, especially now given the two being at odds.

That'd be something to send to Mike Carey to have him explore in Legacy, now that the X-kiddies are working with Rogue now.


Intresting note: Did anyone else notice that Julian was wearing the Red and Black Quienten Quire sweater-vest?

[The Big G]

I could see that happening especially with Julian's idea of mutant superiority



Intresting note: Did anyone else notice that Julian was wearing the Red and Black Quienten Quire sweater-vest?

Thats been mentioned a few times in various threads i think its just paying homage and that Julian is inheriting Quire's ideology.

[Supercoolshay]

But back to this idea: Who would be a good mentor to Julian, because god knows he needs one.

Rogue.
Who is going to be.
In two months.

I can't wait.

[Hakael]

Intresting note: Did anyone else notice that Julian was wearing the Red and Black Quienten Quire sweater-vest?

Yeah, Fraction's beat us over the head with it. I see why its being done, I just don't think its a good character fit. I don't know why Julian would bother with the reference, and to make his point I think his X-Men uniform would suit him better in the circumstances, at least for the purposes of the protest (calling Norman's X-Men flunkies, it would have been better to juxtapose himself as a real X-Man)

[Supercoolshay]

Yeah, Fraction's beat us over the head with it. I see why its being done, I just don't think its a good character fit. I don't know why Julian would bother with the reference, and to make his point I think his X-Men uniform would suit him better in the circumstances, at least for the purposes of the protest (calling Norman's X-Men flunkies, it would have been better to juxtapose himself as a real X-Man)

Yea... I didn't notice it at first. And then I was like WTF! Who wears sweater vests? Hellion isn't nearly snarky enough to even consider a sweater vest.

and then it clicked.

and I didn't realize it had been discussed. I apologize for the re-hashing of it.

[Hakael]

Yea... I didn't notice it at first. And then I was like WTF! Who wears sweater vests? Hellion isn't nearly snarky enough to even consider a sweater vest.

and then it clicked.

and I didn't realize it had been discussed. I apologize for the re-hashing of it.

no worries, this is a valid thread to discuss it in :biggrin:

[sneggz]

On that note i do agree that the J-Man needs a role model that wont back stab him, the kid has so much potential and raw power its a shame to see him waste his potential doing the shit he's been doing. But i guess that just part of growing up or he just needs to get laid.:cool:

How about Cable takes him under his wing? Seeing Julian clash with Cables militant style would seriously spice up Cable's book.

[Supercoolshay]

How about Cable takes him under his wing? Seeing Julian clash with Cables militant style would seriously spice up Cable's book.

It'd be interesting. But it's not going to happen anytime soon. Cable's busy dying in the middle of no-where to even consider taking dealing with children.

(other than Hope. She doesn't count.)

[The Big G]

It'd be interesting. But it's not going to happen anytime soon. Cable's busy dying in the middle of no-where to even consider taking dealing with children.

(other than Hope. She doesn't count.)

Yeah, he needs someone he can relate too plus it would good if they had TK. Maybe Psylocke can come in and turn him into a ninja than he can join X-Force lol:biggrin:

[sneggz]

Eh, he's old, he could use the help. And Cyclops can send him to Cable as punishment for dressing like Quire.

[Supercoolshay]

Cable boot camp is the answer to everything.

sneggz I have a monkey like the one in your avatar. It's currently safety pinned to my curtains.

[Hakael]

I honestly think he's powerful enough to join X-Force as is... he's got more raw power than Psylocke. The issue is that it goes against his character, and X-Force can only have so many pacifists in its ranks (Josh is enough, imo). So either something changes with Hellion and his views on killing people, or he doesn't join up... (which looks to be the case, considering he's been mentioned as being in Legacy after Utopia, and not X-Force)

as for Cable... I really don't know. Not even Messiah War could interest me in his current state.
which is sad, because I really started to like him in Cable & Deadpool and Carey's X-Men...

[sneggz]

Cable boot camp is the answer to everything.


I honestly think he's powerful enough to join X-Force as is... he's got more raw power than Psylocke. The issue is that it goes against his character, and X-Force can only have so many pacifists in its ranks (Josh is enough, imo). So either something changes with Hellion and his views on killing people, or he doesn't join up... (which looks to be the case, considering he's been mentioned as being in Legacy after Utopia, and not X-Force)

as for Cable... I really don't know. Not even Messiah War could interest me in his current state.
which is sad, because I really started to like him in Cable & Deadpool and Carey's X-Men...

Power sure, control no. Cables bootcamp yo.

sneggz I have a monkey like the one in your avatar. It's currently safety pinned to my curtains.
Heh, its got a wedding story to it actually.

[4sake]

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-...ire/92-399031/

So we(the fans) must assume that Hellion got/read the same article off the net or etc. It couldn't have bee that hard to do, I mean Rikki Barnes figure out Patriot identify by using that internet lol. So it couldn't been that hard mind a article relating to mutants history.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/hellionreasonforwhereingtheshirt.png

[Dave13]

I honestly think he's powerful enough to join X-Force as is... he's got more raw power than Psylocke. The issue is that it goes against his character, and X-Force can only have so many pacifists in its ranks (Josh is enough, imo). So either something changes with Hellion and his views on killing people, or he doesn't join up... (which looks to be the case, considering he's been mentioned as being in Legacy after Utopia, and not X-Force)


First off wasn't Psylocke said to be able to shatter mountains with TK how is Jullian more powerfull than that

Second Raw power really isn't the most important attribute in a Team Like X-force their a covert ops team, jullian is Hot headed rash and frequently chooses his way rather than others, he would be a addition to the team

[Seikun21]

First off wasn't Psylocke said to be able to shatter mountains with TK how is Jullian more powerfull than that

Second Raw power really isn't the most important attribute in a Team Like X-force their a covert ops team, jullian is Hot headed rash and frequently chooses his way rather than others, he would be a addition to the team

Because Psylocke just very recently has yet another power change and no one's quite sure about how powerful her telekinesis is now.

Plus Julian could probably shatter a mountain he destroyed an entire room in the mansion and he wasn't even trying.

[Supercoolshay]

Because Psylocke just very recently has yet another power change and no one's quite sure about how powerful her telekinesis is now.

Plus Julian could probably shatter a mountain he destroyed an entire room in the mansion and he wasn't even trying.

It's a possibility. We were never really given a definition of his power level after Emma removed the blocks in his brain. All we know is he could fly at Mach and that he now has issues with things smaller than a refrigerator.

[The Big G]

It's a possibility. We were never really given a definition of his power level after Emma removed the blocks in his brain. All we know is he could fly at Mach and that he now has issues with things smaller than a refrigerator.

Yeah that's true, plus since he's still in his teens hell he could get another power boost or even another ability. He's got a LOT of room to grow when it comes to power, and im positive he hasn't hit his peak yet.

He needs to go all out again like when he saved Laura.

[The Big G]

Considering Hellion's pro mutant rights activity, i can see him creating something along the line of The Brotherhood for Mutant Rights or something like that. I mean he already had a posse of some quasi bad guys when he started his riot in union square.

[Hakael]

I'd prefer Hellion didn't go the bad guy route. I like him as an X-Man because he isn't entirely enamored with the dream, but that he still has a moral compass and has lines he's not willing to cross. I'm very curious to see what the Utopia fallout is, and how Carey handles him in Legacy.

[The Big G]

I'd prefer Hellion didn't go the bad guy route. I like him as an X-Man because he isn't entirely enamored with the dream, but that he still has a moral compass and has lines he's not willing to cross. I'm very curious to see what the Utopia fallout is, and how Carey handles him in Legacy.

True, but i personally like to see him on his own side and lead a team that arent heroes but not villains. Something akin to how the Brotherhood was portrayed in Xmen Evolution. Sure they fought with the Xmen but they were really bad guys.

[Hakael]

I don't get that, if you're not good guys... but you're not bad guys (granted, very few think they're the bad guys)... why round up a group of people in the first place? What goals do you have?

The Brotherhood in Evo were flunkies. I'd prefer Hellion make good as an X-Man, or at least as a hero in his own right instead of turning into something akin to Evolution's Avalanche.

[The Big G]

I don't get that, if you're not good guys... but you're not bad guys (granted, very few think they're the bad guys)... why round up a group of people in the first place? What goals do you have?

The Brotherhood in Evo were flunkies. I'd prefer Hellion make good as an X-Man, or at least as a hero in his own right instead of turning into something akin to Evolution's Avalanche.

On a personal note Avalanche was my fav character in Evo. But thats besides the point.

I have no doubt that Julian would be a great X-Men. Its just Scott and Emma screwed him over. Emma abandoned him and Scott didn't ask him to come to SF. So IMO its hard to see him fighting for the people who screwed him over.

Plus Julians a leader; how can u lead the X-Men and not be a followed of Xavier's dream?

I think the best thing for Julian right now is to try to walk his own path and see where that takes him where it be to villain, hero or something in between.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

On a personal note Avalanche was my fav character in Evo. But thats besides the point.

I have no doubt that Julian would be a great X-Men. Its just Scott and Emma screwed him over. Emma abandoned him and Scott didn't ask him to come to SF. So IMO its hard to see him fighting for the people who screwed him over.

Plus Julians a leader; how can u lead the X-Men and not be a followed of Xavier's dream?

I think the best thing for Julian right now is to try to walk his own path and see where that takes him where it be to villain, hero or something in between.

He did and it failed

[The Big G]

He did and it failed

He's probably going to fail A LOT but as long as he doesn't fade away into obscurity im cool with it.

[Personamanx]

This may sound crazy but I'd definitely buy a "Hellion" solo-series. Be it Mini or ongoing.

[Ecks-man]

This may sound crazy but I'd definitely buy a "Hellion" solo-series. Be it Mini or ongoing.

There was a poll asking if Hellion should have his own mini but I don't think that turned out too well, unfortunately.

[Personamanx]

There was a poll asking if Hellion should have his own mini but I don't think that turned out too well, unfortunately.

Yeah I know.... so it don't look likely.....

[The Big G]

Yeah I know.... so it don't look likely.....

First i too would read a Hellion mini-series. Second where was said pool, was done by Marvel or here at CBR.

Well they could always team him up someone like they did with Cable and Deadpool.

Can see it now: X-23 and Hellion :biggrin:

[Personamanx]

It was a poll on JOe Q's Cup'oJoe.

[The Big G]

It was a poll on JOe Q's Cup'oJoe.

well that explains that

[Maestro]

First i too would read a Hellion mini-series. Second where was said pool, was done by Marvel or here at CBR.

Well they could always team him up someone like they did with Cable and Deadpool.

Can see it now: X-23 and Hellion :biggrin:

ends in sex

[The Big G]

ends in sex

people would pay to read it

[Dave13]

ends in sex

That would be her dirtiest deed and thats saying something

[Hakael]

Considering the competition on that poll, I thought Hellion did surprisingly well. Last place, but against the likes of Iceman, Cannonball, Marvel Girl, Warpath and Chamber. They've all had feature time in the main X-Books as team members. Hellion's only made a few guest appearances...

[Dave13]

I guess their Judging more on recent showings, his little bit with Magneto and Utopia where alot cooler than he used to be admittedly

[Supercoolshay]

Can see it now: X-23 and Hellion :biggrin:

ends in sex

Truth in that statement.

[The Big G]

Truth in that statement.

like a said before people would pay to read it. And think how beneficial it would be to both characters.

Julian might not blow off the handle much and Laura learns whats like to be loved.

Plus the Hellion/X-23 shippers would eat it up and probably buy like three copies each.

[The Big G]

also as we now Hellion has survived his encounter with the Legacy virus, but a new question comes to mind: Will Hellion be getting a sleek and new gray and black uniform and a black mask or will he just be a groupie for the rest of the arc?

[yanapryde]

also as we now Hellion has survived his encounter with the Legacy virus, but a new question comes to mind: Will Hellion be getting a sleek and new gray and black uniform and a black mask or will he just be a groupie for the rest of the arc?

Sadly, Julian-dream-boat-Keller will not be joining X-Force.
He's going to be a player over in Legacy.

[The Big G]

Sadly, Julian-dream-boat-Keller will not be joining X-Force.
He's going to be a player over in Legacy.

true, but who says he cant be in more than one title :biggrin: Anyway i figure he'll at least stick around for the rest of the arc at max and at min next issue.

[Robbiebob_16]

Sadly, Julian-dream-boat-Keller will not be joining X-Force.
He's going to be a player over in Legacy.
I can't tell you how excited I am for that! He might drive Rogue nuts, but I will love every second of it!

[Perfection/Emma 2]

I can't tell you how excited I am for that! He might drive Rogue nuts, but I will love every second of it!

Please, Rogue is too big of a person, to let Hellion annoy her

[Robbiebob_16]

Please, Rogue is too big of a person, to let Hellion annoy her
Well Julian can be just that annoying at times, even though I love him.

[The Big G]

Well Julian can be just that annoying at times, even though I love him.

Come to think of it i'm annoying at times and an asshole sometimes. How come i dont have an crazy assassin fan girls? CURSE YOU REAL LIFE!

[Robbiebob_16]

Come to think of it i'm annoying at times and an asshole sometimes. How come i dont have an crazy assassin fan girls? CURSE YOU REAL LIFE!
Well Big G, keep it up, I'm not an assasin, but if you reach Julian level of annoying, i'll fall in love with you too!:biggrin:

[The Big G]

Well Big G, keep it up, I'm not an assasin, but if you reach Julian level of annoying, i'll fall in love with you too!:biggrin:

thanks, if your ever in the Bay Area look me up. I usually start riots in union square and then get beat up by cops who call me a drama queen lol.

[Robbiebob_16]

thanks, if your ever in the Bay Area look me up. I usually start riots in union square and then get beat up by cops who call me a drama queen lol.
HAHA! pure win.

[The Big G]

HAHA! pure win.

The funny thing is i actually got to college in SF and do hang out in Union Square a lot. Now to just get those sweater vests....

[Bronze Badger]

From the Monda Marvel Panel: A fan asked if there are any plans for Hellion, the New X-Man who had been "sidelined" since that series' end. "Come to the X-Men panel; the people writing him will be there," McCann said. Fraction referred to Hellion's recent appearance in the Quentin Quire mutant fascist costume in "Uncanny," starting a riot. "He's kind of important right now."

[The Big G]

From the Monda Marvel Panel: A fan asked if there are any plans for Hellion, the New X-Man who had been "sidelined" since that series' end. "Come to the X-Men panel; the people writing him will be there," McCann said. Fraction referred to Hellion's recent appearance in the Quentin Quire mutant fascist costume in "Uncanny," starting a riot. "He's kind of important right now."

i think we know that he's importante in the now, i guess we will have to wait to see if he is importante in the future.

[Robbiebob_16]

The funny thing is i actually got to college in SF and do hang out in Union Square a lot. Now to just get those sweater vests....
Oh yes, The Quentin Quire phenomenon. I just can't get enough of him...

[The Big G]

Oh yes, The Quentin Quire phenomenon. I just can't get enough of him...

I wanna personally wanna know how Julian found out about him, cuse last time i checked QUire was a blob of goo:confused:

[4sake]

I wanna personally wanna know how Julian found out about him, cuse last time i checked QUire was a blob of goo:confused:

the x-men's data base (that has/had all there info in it), the internet, public records (about his & omega gang actions, It should be public records because they had to do community service & etc), the news paper, asked another x-student (that knew him) , asked Logan (that guy know everyone lol), asked Emma(I sure she remembers him). Also he could have talked to him off panel when he wasn't in his goo state back in Phoenix endsong or warsong .

[The Big G]

the x-men's data base (that has/had all there info in it), the internet, public records (about his & omega gang actions, It should be public records because they had to do community service & etc), the news paper, asked another x-student (that knew him) , asked Logan (that guy know everyone lol), asked Emma(I sure she remembers him). Also he could have talked to him off panel when he wasn't in his goo state back in Phoenix endsong or warsong .

i guess that explains that...oh well. Still think he shouldn't have rocked the sweater vest.

[4sake]

i guess that explains that...oh well. Still think he shouldn't have rocked the sweater vest.

How about after reading this :

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-...ire/92-399031/

So we(the fans) must assume that Hellion got/read the same article off the net or etc. It couldn't have bee that hard to do, I mean Rikki Barnes figure out Patriot identify by using that internet lol. So it couldn't been that hard mind a article relating to mutants history.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/hellionreasonforwhereingtheshirt.png

[The Big G]

How about after reading this :

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-...ire/92-399031/

So we(the fans) must assume that Hellion got/read the same article off the net or etc. It couldn't have bee that hard to do, I mean Rikki Barnes figure out Patriot identify by using that internet lol. So it couldn't been that hard mind a article relating to mutants history.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/hellionreasonforwhereingtheshirt.png

I am well aware of the significance of the sweater vest but i still think its stupid looking.

[4sake]

I am well aware of the significance of the sweater vest but i still think its stupid looking.

i agree, but it mskes he hate/unlike it less. :biggrin:

[The Big G]

true but Julian cant pull it off with his long emo hair cut.

[4sake]

true but Julian cant pull it off with his long emo hair cut.

I love/like to long hair.

[The Big G]

I love/like to long hair.

well then i guess to each their own :wink:

[Supercoolshay]

Does anyone know if he's showing up in Necrosha?

[The Big G]

Does anyone know if he's showing up in Necrosha?

That is a good question. Maybe if Selene revives Tag. But who knows he could show up.

[Hakael]

I certainly hope so, Wither was/is a friend of his. I don't think they'd rez Brian, however... Eli seems more intent on raising mutants, and he died depowered.

[The Big G]

In a recent article about Dark X-Men it was revealed that a certain child of Jean and Scott was coming back to fight the Dark X-Men. One with the skills to teach Julian how to use his telekinetic powers to the max. So what do you guys think should Nate Grey aka X-Man take Julian under his wing and teach him a thing or too about TK?

[spangley_special]

would be cool.

Julian is a character that could go either way, with proper tutelage and guidance he could become a powerful member of the xmen and perhaps nate grey is the man for the job now that Emma has all but abandoned him.

[The Big G]

would be cool.

Julian is a character that could go either way, with proper tutelage and guidance he could become a powerful member of the xmen and perhaps nate grey is the man for the job now that Emma has all but abandoned him.

Indeed it would be very cool. I think he would be the perfect mentor/master/teacher for our dear wayward Julian. THough i'm getting a feeling if they did do that they might have an Obi-wan/Anakin relationship

[Dave13]

Got to say i think you'r overestimating Julian's TK powers here a Bit, his powers aren't nearly as powerfull as Nate's and he has not shown the Fine motor control either.

Psylocke would be a Much better Teacher

[The Big G]

Got to say i think you'r overestimating Julian's TK powers here a Bit, his powers aren't nearly as powerfull as Nate's and he has not shown the Fine motor control either.

Psylocke would be a Much better Teacher

Of course he doesn't have the same level of TK that Nate has but he's young and has a lot of raw untapped potential. Ether him or Besty would be a good teacher. But i go for Nate because Julian needs a bit of an attitude adjustment.

[Dave13]

Of course he doesn't have the same level of TK that Nate has but he's young and has a lot of raw untapped potential. Ether him or Besty would be a good teacher. But i go for Nate because Julian needs a bit of an attitude adjustment.

What Good is a TK teacher who can Use TK in ways you can't hope to learn

And Betty's got a more stable attitude than Nate

[The Big G]

What Good is a TK teacher who can Use TK in ways you can't hope to learn

And Betty's got a more stable attitude than Nate

Well you got me there but still it would be cool.

And do u think Julian would actually pay attention to Betsy's lessons? And especially in the outfits she wears? julian going to be drooling the entire time. THen Laura will get jealous of Betsy and a giant cat fight ensues maybe the ripping off of clothing....ok so maybe Betsy would be a better teacher. But i think Nate would be a bad ass teacher for him though.

[Supercoolshay]

I think that Nate wouldn't even give two shits about Julian. He has the Mutant Messiah complex thing going on (like ever other one of Scott's alternate reality groinspawn :eek: ) and doesn't care about him. I think the fact that Julian has unstable control over his powers is just going to be ignored until it's silently retconned.

[Hakael]

I think that Nate wouldn't even give two shits about Julian. He has the Mutant Messiah complex thing going on (like ever other one of Scott's alternate reality groinspawn :eek: ) and doesn't care about him. I think the fact that Julian has unstable control over his powers is just going to be ignored until it's silently retconned.

I don't see it being retconned, it'll probably just be chalked up to him training off panel. They even explained it as his powers adjusting at a higher level than he was previously used to, so... he just needs to get used to it. Its not something that's going to plague him for the rest of his life.

[Ecks-man]

I don't see it being retconned, it'll probably just be chalked up to him training off panel. They even explained it as his powers adjusting at a higher level than he was previously used to, so... he just needs to get used to it. Its not something that's going to plague him for the rest of his life.

I hope we'll see some onscreen training if only for telekinetic explosions with paperclips at the epicenter. Come to think of it... it's a good thing Julian isn't charged for property damage at the X-mansion, but then I guess it just gets lost amongst all the destruction going on there.

[Ororo101]

Got to say i think you'r overestimating Julian's TK powers here a Bit, his powers aren't nearly as powerfull as Nate's and he has not shown the Fine motor control either.

Psylocke would be a Much better Teacher

Are you guys sure he's a stronger TK than Betsy? I read somewhere that Rachel stated somewhere that Betsy's new TK was even stronger than her's. Wouldn't that mean that he would have to be a stronger TK than Marvel Girl? I didn't think he was?

[The Big G]

Are you guys sure he's a stronger TK than Betsy? I read somewhere that Rachel stated somewhere that Betsy's new TK was even stronger than her's. Wouldn't that mean that he would have to be a stronger TK than Marvel Girl? I didn't think he was?

Well they really havent revealed how strong Julian's TK really is; plus he hasnt really gone all out since he rescued Laura from Nimrod. He flew her from Texas to New York in seconds.

Hopefully they might address how strong his TK really during his time in legacy. Maybe he'll develop another power or something too.

[Supercoolshay]

I don't see it being retconned, it'll probably just be chalked up to him training off panel. They even explained it as his powers adjusting at a higher level than he was previously used to, so... he just needs to get used to it. .

Pretty much that is what I was trying to say, but failed misrebly. Thanks for being awesome! :biggrin:

[Hakael]

Are you guys sure he's a stronger TK than Betsy? I read somewhere that Rachel stated somewhere that Betsy's new TK was even stronger than her's. Wouldn't that mean that he would have to be a stronger TK than Marvel Girl? I didn't think he was?

Betsy isn't on the same plane with Nate. If she wasn't CC's love child I would say she wasn't on the same playing field with Julian either. Claremont gave her a big boost after resurrecting her, so she's certainly now well above Hellion's power level... rivaling Rachel and Exodus. But this is Betsy we're talking about... her powers will change again by the time I finish typing this...

[lockerogue]

If Hellion needs someone to teach him about tk. Why not take lessons from the master Ms. Jean Grey.

Psylocke received her TK from Jean so her powers are well above Julian's.

[Supercoolshay]

If Hellion needs someone to teach him about tk. Why not take lessons from the master Ms. Jean Grey.


because she's dead?

[Hakael]

If Hellion needs someone to teach him about tk. Why not take lessons from the master Ms. Jean Grey.

He tried to unbutton her blouse once in class. She gave him detention.

[The Big G]

here's another question for you guys: would you rather see Julian get another power unrelated to his TK like Frost's diamond form or would your rather him get anoter TK boost

[Hakael]

here's another question for you guys: would you rather see Julian get another power unrelated to his TK like Frost's diamond form or would your rather him get anoter TK boost

Nope. I've never understood why all the X-Men's telekinetics have to be psychics, or have some sort of other power to go along with it. I like that he's got focus. There's a lot that can be done with Hellion's current power set, the writers just need to be creative about it instead of letting him get punched in the face or stabbed all the time.

[Supercoolshay]

here's another question for you guys: would you rather see Julian get another power unrelated to his TK like Frost's diamond form or would your rather him get anoter TK boost

neither.
He's powerful enough, and telekinesis is a highly adaptable mutation. What I would like to see is possibly a more creative use of telekinesis besides TK Sheilds, flying and ripping up the ground underneath people/throwing people.

[4sake]

here's another question for you guys: would you rather see Julian get another power unrelated to his TK like Frost's diamond form or would your rather him get anoter TK boost

If I had to pick 1, then TK boost. (But I really like his New X-men power levels)


Nope. I've never understood why all the X-Men's telekinetics have to be psychics, or have some sort of other power to go along with it. I like that he's got focus. There's a lot that can be done with Hellion's current power set, the writers just need to be creative about it instead of letting him get punched in the face or stabbed all the time.

I agree.

[The Big G]

Nope. I've never understood why all the X-Men's telekinetics have to be psychics, or have some sort of other power to go along with it. I like that he's got focus. There's a lot that can be done with Hellion's current power set, the writers just need to be creative about it instead of letting him get punched in the face or stabbed all the time.

dont forget about getting captured...that tends to happen to him...a lot. He really needs the Legion of Laura as body guards.

[Hakael]

To be fair, his capture in X-Force wasn't so bad. The waitress just happened to be a bigot and drugged his drink... nobody sees that coming. Now, letting Emma punch him in the face is another thing entirely...

[The Big G]

To be fair, his capture in X-Force wasn't so bad. The waitress just happened to be a bigot and drugged his drink... nobody sees that coming. Now, letting Emma punch him in the face is another thing entirely...

But the point is the same he's always getting stabbed, drugged, punched, captured or something by the bad guys. Whats next? He's been the dude in distress ever since he and Laura rescued cessily

[Dave13]

Are you guys sure he's a stronger TK than Betsy? I read somewhere that Rachel stated somewhere that Betsy's new TK was even stronger than her's. Wouldn't that mean that he would have to be a stronger TK than Marvel Girl? I didn't think he was?

I never said or meant to post that Hellion was more powerfull than Betsy, Just betsy's Level is lower thus closer to Hellions than Nate's



Hopefully they might address how strong his TK really during his time in legacy. Maybe he'll develop another power or something too.



here's another question for you guys: would you rather see Julian get another power unrelated to his TK like Frost's diamond form or would your rather him get anoter TK boost


NO No Power up or Secondry mutation Crap for Hellion, out of all the New Xmen his powers are the best and most well rounded of them all (Although he seems to have a problem using them as defense)

Elixir should grant himself a Power up first, His powers are the weakest overall in battle.




Betsy isn't on the same plane with Nate. If she wasn't CC's love child I would say she wasn't on the same playing field with Julian either. Claremont gave her a big boost after resurrecting her, so she's certainly now well above Hellion's power level... rivaling Rachel and Exodus. But this is Betsy we're talking about... her powers will change again by the time I finish typing this...

Hey hey no Betsy hate you she's a Young loving piece of art,


He tried to unbutton her blouse once in class. She gave him detention.

Gotta give him props for that.


neither.
He's powerful enough, and telekinesis is a highly adaptable mutation. What I would like to see is possibly a more creative use of telekinesis besides TK Sheilds, flying and ripping up the ground underneath people/throwing people.

What other uses?


To be fair, his capture in X-Force wasn't so bad. The waitress just happened to be a bigot and drugged his drink... nobody sees that coming. Now, letting Emma punch him in the face is another thing entirely...

I'm willing to rationalize that it was because he still cares about Emma despite the treatment she gave him otherwise i'll have to say that not defending yourself from moving Diamond human is PIS



But the point is the same he's always getting stabbed, drugged, punched, captured or something by the bad guys. Whats next? He's been the dude in distress ever since he and Laura rescued cessily

Even me a Hellion hater is beginning to suspect, maybe he like Elixir is suffering from some conspiracy by the marvel writers as some sort of bad joke

[Supercoolshay]

What other uses?



throwing things at people. :rolleyes:

[The Big G]

I never said or meant to post that Hellion was more powerfull than Betsy, Just betsy's Level is lower thus closer to Hellions than Nate's

More like she's probably around Exodus's level. Because last time i checked his TK was strong but not as strong as a Grey's


NO No Power up or Secondry mutation Crap for Hellion, out of all the New Xmen his powers are the best and most well rounded of them all (Although he seems to have a problem using them as defense)

Elixir should grant himself a Power up first, His powers are the weakest overall in battle.

The guy can give you cancer; AIDS or whatever disease he can think of and manipulate other peoples bodies. That's a legit battle power...though most of the time he is just used as a healbot.

And it seems like most people are anti pwer up or secondary power to Hellion.




Hey hey no Betsy hate you she's a Young loving piece of art,

I'll agree with that, though her powers have changed a LOT over the years

Gotta give him props for that.

Ditto


What other uses?

He could create TK weapons like Betsy does. Or maybe he could choke people with it like the Force.


I'm willing to rationalize that it was because he still cares about Emma despite the treatment she gave him otherwise i'll have to say that not defending yourself from moving Diamond human is PIS

Emma was off his Christmas card list when she left alone in the hospital. He's currently looking for a new mentor. Nate and Betsy should be getting calls in the next couple of months about that.



Even me a Hellion hater is beginning to suspect, maybe he like Elixir is suffering from some conspiracy by the marvel writers as some sort of bad joke

Wow even a Hellion Hater thinks Marvel is screwing him over. Wow. I would never get that out Mia. But at least with Elixir he's doing shit and not being injected with the Legacy Virus or getting stabbed by Deathstike or having Daken beat and possibly prison rape his ass.

[Dave13]

More like she's probably around Exodus's level. Because last time i checked his TK was strong but not as strong as a Grey's


Exactly thats why i said bettsy would be a better mentor than Nate in the first place



The guy can give you cancer; AIDS or whatever disease he can think of and manipulate other peoples bodies. That's a legit battle power...though most of the time he is just used as a healbot.


Yes he can and a hell of a lot more Stroke, creation of toxins and disease, Organ Failure, Cellur breakdown on that level, Body damage replicating Cuts or Bullt wounds, Basically with one touch for a split second should equal instant death problem is he can't use his powers like that, Because it would make Battle's incredibly boring.

Just look at Messiah War against Stryfe he had hold of him for a few seconds which Stryfe survived and when Stryfe got him off there was no lasting damage to Strfye. Dam they don't even use him as a Healbot most of the time.

So while Elixir has had a huge power up for Plot purposes he can't use it, What i'm saying is Elixir is special with his abilities he could have other powerups just by using his own Biological manipulation on himself, powerups that are less Instant KO that can be used in battle without him becoming overpowered.



And it seems like most people are anti pwer up or secondary power to Hellion.

His power set is the only thing perfect about him


Ditto

I'm still pissed marvel didn't show it



He could create TK weapons like Betsy does. Or maybe he could choke people with it like the Force.

I thought those where TP weapons?



Emma was off his Christmas card list when she left alone in the hospital. He's currently looking for a new mentor. Nate and Betsy should be getting calls in the next couple of months about that.


Well lingering Feelings is better for Hellions PR than too stupid to raise his shields?



Wow even a Hellion Hater thinks Marvel is screwing him over. Wow. I would never get that out Mia. But at least with Elixir he's doing shit and not being injected with the Legacy Virus or getting stabbed by Deathstike or having Daken beat and possibly prison rape his ass.

Tells you how bad their treating him lately that an ardent hater feels sorry for him, I'll renember all this crap he suffers next time i complain about Elixir being a Wallpaper Character in X-force.

[The Big G]

Exactly thats why i said bettsy would be a better mentor than Nate in the first place

True but i think Nate would be a cool teacher

Yes he can and a hell of a lot more Stroke, creation of toxins and disease, Organ Failure, Cellur breakdown on that level, Body damage replicating Cuts or Bullt wounds, Basically with one touch for a split second should equal instant death problem is he can't use his powers like that, Because it would make Battle's incredibly boring.

Just look at Messiah War against Stryfe he had hold of him for a few seconds which Stryfe survived and when Stryfe got him off there was no lasting damage to Strfye. Dam they don't even use him as a Healbot most of the time.

So while Elixir has had a huge power up for Plot purposes he can't use it, What i'm saying is Elixir is special with his abilities he could have other powerups just by using his own Biological manipulation on himself, powerups that are less Instant KO that can be used in battle without him becoming overpowered.

Yeah but stryfe is part of the summers-grey clan and we all know their kids and clones of their kids are OP so Exliers powers failed to penetrate his plot shield

He also probably used his power to make his unit bigger lol

His power set is the only thing perfect about him

No one's perfect; and his power is yet to be perfected.

I'm still pissed marvel didn't show it

aren't we all

I thought those where TP weapons?

The Knife was TP but the Katana was TK

Well lingering Feelings is better for Hellions PR than too stupid to raise his shields?

He's got a tendency to jump in guns blazing and then his shield's have a problem with blocking stuff in the past.


Tells you how bad their treating him lately that an ardent hater feels sorry for him, I'll renember all this crap he suffers next time i complain about Elixir being a Wallpaper Character in X-force.

Better than appear and do mediocre things than to fade away into oblivion especially when you were one of the popular New X-Men.

[Naira K]

I'm excited for Hellion to appear in Legacy, his rebellious nature will interract real good with Rogue's temper.
By the way, can anyone please tell me which House of M books S.H.I.E.D., The Red Squad and Hellions were?

[spangley_special]

academyX16-19 iircc

I know 20 was the first issue after Mday

[The Big G]

So we're all excited for Julian going to be in the Legacy book after Utopia. I'm interested in seeing if he's apart of Rogue's team or just an occasional guest character.

[Robbiebob_16]

So we're all excited for Julian going to be in the Legacy book after Utopia. I'm interested in seeing if he's apart of Rogue's team or just an occasional guest character.
hmmm... at this point I don't have much of a preference.I am really pumped to see him in X-force though! It won't be in 20 though.... a bit of a bummer.

[The Big G]

hmmm... at this point I don't have much of a preference.I am really pumped to see him in X-force though! It won't be in 20 though.... a bit of a bummer.

You know i'm kinda interested on how they're going to keep Julian's mouth shut about them. Weren't they like now you know about us join us or die when Elixer was saved/found out about them. And if i was Julian i would probably remember them in their black unis going around and killing people left and right.

Hopefully he sticks around and helps save Laura though.

[Robbiebob_16]

You know i'm kinda interested on how they're going to keep Julian's mouth shut about them. Weren't they like now you know about us join us or die when Elixer was saved/found out about them. And if i was Julian i would probably remember them in their black unis going around and killing people left and right.

Hopefully he sticks around and helps save Laura though.
Did you read my mind?? I want that too, and was wondering the same exact thing. Maybe the Stepford CousCous will be back in buisness.

[Mia]

So we're all excited for Julian going to be in the Legacy book after Utopia. .

No we aren't. I can't wait for Marvel to kill that litle SOB off!

(I'm leaving now).:wink:

[The Big G]

Did you read my mind?? I want that too, and was wondering the same exact thing. Maybe the Stepford CousCous will be back in buisness.

Maybe of after they save Laura; she "convinces" him to keep quite :biggrin:

No we aren't. I can't wait for Marvel to kill that litle SOB off!

(I'm leaving now).:wink:

Of Mia how your Hellion Hate has become a daily part of my life as i troll CBR :cool:

[Hakael]

Did you read my mind?? I want that too, and was wondering the same exact thing. Maybe the Stepford CousCous will be back in buisness.

I honestly think that'll be the case. X-Force will wonder why Laura hasn't checked in, Julian and Surge will start asking questions... they might even get some answers before they're mindwiped too... but I don't see Scott letting those two run around with info about his death squad (despite the fact that I think they'd both be OK with people like Wolverine killing Purifiers at this point).

[The Big G]

I honestly think that'll be the case. X-Force will wonder why Laura hasn't checked in, Julian and Surge will start asking questions... they might even get some answers before they're mindwiped too... but I don't see Scott letting those two run around with info about his death squad (despite the fact that I think they'd both be OK with people like Wolverine killing Purifiers at this point).

Knowing Hellion and his thirst for payback he'll want to join

[Hakael]

Knowing Hellion and his thirst for payback he'll want to join

I've pretty much resigned myself that he won't be in X-Force as a member, as much as I'd love to see Kyle and Yost take him on long term. I'm hoping Carey gives him something to do in Legacy.

[The Big G]

I've pretty much resigned myself that he won't be in X-Force as a member, as much as I'd love to see Kyle and Yost take him on long term. I'm hoping Carey gives him something to do in Legacy.

Yeah i come to term that he wont being force choking mutant haters to death too.

Now i know i've said this earlier; but im curious to see how carey uses him. I'd personally like to see him on a team with Rogue in charge but i'd also go for the solo loner thing or possibly leading his rag tag rioters on more mutant power shenanigans.


Personally i'd like for him to get a mini, but what are the odds of that happening. Heck we'd get a X-23 & Hellion Mini before we get a Hellion mini

[The Big G]

Well it seems that Julian didnt die in Surge's explosion. Not that any of us were worried.

[infernohara]

Julian is waaaaay to awesome to die in some explosion. I like the bad boy persona, but we know that he has good intentions all the time (like when mercury was kidnapped and he helped Laura). I wonder if Legacy will revisit that side of Julian. I kinda thought he moved away from the whole "loud and obnoxious" Hellion. Perhaps the X-men did more damage to him when they left him than he let on.

[The Big G]

Julian is waaaaay to awesome to die in some explosion. I like the bad boy persona, but we know that he has good intentions all the time (like when mercury was kidnapped and he helped Laura). I wonder if Legacy will revisit that side of Julian. I kinda thought he moved away from the whole "loud and obnoxious" Hellion. Perhaps the X-men did more damage to him when they left him than he let on.

Julian i think is starting to have abandonment issues. First his parents disown him, Sophia leaves him and then Scott and Emma leave him out to dry, Magneto dosent want him....and so on.

I think all this "abandonment" is bringing out the "loud and obnoxious " part of Hellion. That and all the "wise" choices he's made.

[Kasper Cole]

Julian i think is starting to have abandonment issues. First his parents disown him, Sophia leaves him and then Scott and Emma leave him out to dry, Magneto dosent want him....and so on.

I think all this "abandonment" is bringing out the "loud and obnoxious " part of Hellion. That and all the "wise" choices he's made.

I agree with you on this, I just wish we could actually see more of this.....I wanna know why he's dressing like a member of the Omega gang, why he hasn't been shown to be hanging out with Santo or Cess anymore...why he still has that emo looking haircut lol

[4sake]

I wanna know why he's dressing like a member of the Omega gang

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-...ire/92-399031/

So we(the fans) must assume that Hellion got/read the same article off the net or etc. It couldn't have bee that hard to do, I mean Rikki Barnes figured out Patriot identify by using that internet lol. So it couldn't been that hard mind a article relating to mutants history.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/hellionreasonforwhereingtheshirt.png

[Hakael]

The outfit has cultural significance beyond Quentin and his gang in the mutant community. It is how mutants were first depicted in early propaganda posters in the Marvel U. & It's actually from an old Daily Bugle cover. Quentin uses it as a template in New X-Men #134.

http://www.comicvine.com/hellion/29-...ire/92-399031/

So we(the fans) must assume that Hellion got/read the same article off the net or etc. It couldn't have bee that hard to do, I mean Rikki Barnes figure out Patriot identify by using that internet lol. So it couldn't been that hard mind a article relating to mutants history.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/hellionreasonforwhereingtheshirt.png

you've referenced this a few times, but Julian isn't a huge nerd like Quire... I don't see why he would really care for the reference.

[Supercoolshay]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/ShayL_Hansen/ScreenHunter_01Aug211946.gif

even unconscious...that boy is good lookin'.

[4sake]

you've referenced this a few times, but Julian isn't a huge nerd like Quire... I don't see why he would really care for the reference.

I'm sure he knows some mutant history (you don't have to be a nerd to know you & your people history & etc). I think he would care because he's proud to be a mutant & that outfit is a symbol of mutant history/mutant protest. An he was leading a group of protesters in Utopia.

[justinkos91]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/ShayL_Hansen/ScreenHunter_01Aug211946.gif

even unconscious...that boy is good lookin'.

I can't see his face.

[Kasper Cole]

I'm sure he knows some mutant history (you don't have to be a nerd to know you & your people history & etc). I think he would care because he's proud to be a mutant & that outfit is a symbol of mutant history/mutant protest. An he was leading a group of protesters in Utopia.

Yeah but Julian just isn't that deep, so it kinda seems random for him. Julian Keller is brash arrogant, has some leadership qualities, is at times can be REALLY shallow but ultimately has a good heart.

If he character had a bit of growth and maturity that's fine, but I'd like to see it instead of it being used as an excuse for putting him in those clothes.

[The Big G]

Wells folks once again Julian saves the day in X-Force 18 and Chris and Craig reveal that he's also in X-Force 19

[visi]

I can't see his face.

Sometimes you dont need to

[CrimsonComedian]

Hey did Hellion just get depowered in the latest Utopia? He appeared to be strapped to the machine and in pain. :(

[The Big G]

Hey did Hellion just get depowered in the latest Utopia? He appeared to be strapped to the machine and in pain. :(

well there was a debate on whether that was Hellion or not i perosnally thought is was Sunspot; and since Hellions gunna be in Leagcy i doubt he gets depowered.

[CrimsonComedian]

well there was a debate on whether that was Hellion or not i perosnally thought is was Sunspot; and since Hellions gunna be in Leagcy i doubt he gets depowered.

Yeah I hope so. Even if it is Hellion, or actually whoever it is, I hope the writers screw up with the continuity and this goes ignored and they proceed like it didn't happen.

[The Big G]

Yeah I hope so. Even if it is Hellion, or actually whoever it is, I hope the writers screw up with the continuity and this goes ignored and they proceed like it didn't happen.

I doubt it; Utopia on paper was a cool concept and at the beginning it was cool but then it started to drag. Plus Utopia leads into the Nation X story line as well as the return of Magneto.

[Hakael]

If that is Hellion in the Omega machine, it doesn't depower mutants. It temporarily drains them. Nobody has said how long its supposed to last or what the ramifications of its use are, but it doesn't sound long term.

[chrissstopher]

If that is Hellion in the Omega machine, it doesn't depower mutants. It temporarily drains them. Nobody has said how long its supposed to last or what the ramifications of its use are, but it doesn't sound long term.

I thought it was Scalphunter in the machine

[Hakael]

I haven't read the issue yet. I'm just going off what people are saying. Wanted to point out that the effects of the machine are supposedly temporary.

[The Big G]

I haven't read the issue yet. I'm just going off what people are saying. Wanted to point out that the effects of the machine are supposedly temporary.

Yeah and besides they put Beast in there again...i think.

[The Big G]

Weekly Hellion report: no on screen appearance in Dark Avengers 8 but was saved off scree. Then one page cameo in X-Force, saved a bunch of people. But due to C&C trolling we learn he's gunna have a small bit in next month's issue

[ILoveX23]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/ShayL_Hansen/ScreenHunter_01Aug211946.gif

even unconscious...that boy is good lookin'.

Yeah, and a douche hahaha.
But he is good looking.

[The Big G]

Yeah, and a douche hahaha.
But he is good looking.

I wish i was good looking as the J-Man

[ILoveX23]

I wish i was good looking as the J-Man

I wish I was as good lookin as Laura, hahahha :biggrin:

[may23uni]

Thanks to KY and new X-Men, Hellion is the character I used to hate and now will actually care about when he dies on Wednesday.

very funny lol me too

[may23uni]

Your welcome & Thank you very much...

what if captin marvel and bishop teamed up super funny!!!

[The Big G]

very funny lol me too

Well he's still kickin so the jokes on you guys


what if captin marvel and bishop teamed up super funny!!!

Ummm....ok

[justinkos91]

I wish I was as good lookin as Laura, hahahha :biggrin:

I thought you said you looked like her.

[The Big G]

I thought you said you looked like her.

yeah, maybe she kinda looks like Laura....just not as hot