Julian "Hellion" Keller Appreciation

[dr.maikel]

How much is it going to suck for Hellion when Kimura comes out looking for revenge on X-23 and she still thinks their an item?

Its going to suck majorly for him.

Not this again he is being hurt during a crossover so X-23 can go Berserker on the villian ? I used to love Hellion but this stuff is getting old.

[Dudebro McTypo]

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff148/Clerk57/Hellionandco.jpg

Good to see the J-Man is hanging out with the old crew :cool:

[Justin K.]

Aside from his hands, was it ever revealed if Hellion kept his Age of X memories or not?

[Peter F.]

Aside from his hands, was it ever revealed if Hellion kept his Age of X memories or not?

Not really, he didn't really get much focus on that front.

I'm pretty sure he kept the memories, he was a hero in Age of X, a Force Warrior, respected by everyone in Fortress X. He was arguably better off in AoX than in his real life in 616.

Plus when it was revealed he kept the hands, Rao mentioned that had better fine telekinetic motor skills to use them. As if he'd had years to practice with the hands.

Though Rao also said that his neural pathways had been completely changed by Moira to give him that fine control, and that it wasn't fading. Which might mean that even if he got rid of the memories he'd keep the skills.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Aside from his hands, was it ever revealed if Hellion kept his Age of X memories or not?


Not really, he didn't really get much focus on that front.

I'm pretty sure he kept the memories, he was a hero in Age of X, a Force Warrior, respected by everyone in Fortress X. He was arguably better off in AoX than in his real life in 616.

Plus when it was revealed he kept the hands, Rao mentioned that had better fine telekinetic motor skills to use them. As if he'd had years to practice with the hands.

Though Rao also said that his neural pathways had been completely changed by Moira to give him that fine control, and that it wasn't fading. Which might mean that even if he got rid of the memories he'd keep the skills.

What Pete said, I'd just assume that Julian kept his AoX memories.

Bling! has a thing for AoX Julian lol

[RickyD410]

What Pete said, I'd just assume that Julian kept his AoX memories.

Bling! has a thing for AoX Julian lol

Or maybe AoX Bling! has a thing for Julian.

Anyhoo, yes, it is good that Julian is back with the old gang! Although I wish Anole looked more like Anole and less like Komodo.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Or maybe AoX Bling! has a thing for Julian.

Anyhoo, yes, it is good that Julian is back with the old gang! Although I wish Anole looked more like Anole and less like Komodo.

Agreed.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff148/Clerk57/glorius.jpg

When i see awesome scenes like this in Red Hood & the Outlaws I get frustrated because Marvel isn't giving Julian the opportunities to be awesome like DC is for Jason!

They're pretty much the same character if you think about it....

[HostilSpike]

To date I've really enjoyed Wolverine and the X-men, one thing that really bugs me about it though is how Hellion seems to have regressed to the school yard bully he was when he first cropped up in New Mutants. I'm quite new to X-books but have read the full run of New X-men til Messiah Complex and he seemed to be on the road to becoming a big player in the Marvel Universe, does something big happen to make him regress like this or is it just bad characterisation by the recent writers?

[Dudebro McTypo]

To date I've really enjoyed Wolverine and the X-men, one thing that really bugs me about it though is how Hellion seems to have regressed to the school yard bully he was when he first cropped up in New Mutants. I'm quite new to X-books but have read the full run of New X-men til Messiah Complex and he seemed to be on the road to becoming a big player in the Marvel Universe, does something big happen to make him regress like this or is it just bad characterisation by the recent writers?

Glad you asked and sorry it took so long to get back to you on this:

Julian IMO is a victim of writers not caring about him as a character. Jason Aaron is committed to his 6 students (though I will give him props for at least writing dialogue for Jules), Gage had him Thunderclapped in Legacy by She-Hulk which is a trick Gage already used back in the X-Men World War Hulk Tie in, & Liu admitted that when she writes Hellion she thinks nothing about his future as a character. The last writer to at show a hint of caring about him was Mike Carey; the Professor seemed to trying to head somewhere with him but alas it never materialized. Yost & Kyle haven't really touched the X-Franchise since X-Force and despite them blowing off his hands still wrote him the best in the last 5 years. Though I will say the Gillen seemed to respect the character in both the Schism Tie-in and the Regenesis one-shot.

Maybe something will happen to him the wake of AVX

[HostilSpike]

Cheers for the reply.

It's sad that no-one wants to give him the attention he deserves, I always thought his take on telekenesis was very unique and interesting. Even if he's never going to get his own arch I'd love to see a bit of character development, just him being trained to use his powers by Rachael or something. I was really impressed with Gage's writing of X-23/Dust in the recent Avengers Academy and wouldn't mind him taking a bash at giving Julian some closure.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Cheers for the reply.

It's sad that no-one wants to give him the attention he deserves, I always thought his take on telekenesis was very unique and interesting. Even if he's never going to get his own arch I'd love to see a bit of character development, just him being trained to use his powers by Rachael or something. I was really impressed with Gage's writing of X-23/Dust in the recent Avengers Academy and wouldn't mind him taking a bash at giving Julian some closure.

I'd put more faith in Gage had he not used the same trick twice to knock Jules out

[Justin K.]

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Do you think Phoenixclops gave Hellion his hands back? I'm referring to the guy playing soccer with Sunspot.
I don't wanna be mistaken because Velocidad was wearing a different outfit the same issue, but could be a possibility.

[NewMutant]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2utgvmc.jpg

Do you think Phoenixclops gave Hellion his hands back? I'm referring to the guy playing soccer with Sunspot.
I don't wanna be mistaken because Velocidad was wearing a different outfit the same issue, but could be a possibility.

He is still at JG School though right? I wish he never lost his hands.

[Dudebro McTypo]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2utgvmc.jpg

Do you think Phoenixclops gave Hellion his hands back? I'm referring to the guy playing soccer with Sunspot.
I don't wanna be mistaken because Velocidad was wearing a different outfit the same issue, but could be a possibility.

Its the Jumping Bean


He is still at JG School though right? I wish he never lost his hands.

Me too, but supposedly one of the Phoenix 5 is coming to the school in one of the issues next month, maybe they'll give him his hands back...maybe

[NewMutant]

Wait why did we even think it was Hellion, it is that Gen Hope kid.

[JAKE CASSIDY]

Glob's there. Shouldn't he be at the school?

[HostilSpike]

That's not Hellion it's Velocidad.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Possible good news. Via twitter a couple days back, Chris Yost said that he has plans for ether Hellion or X-23.

Considering that Yost wrote Jules's Divided We Stand story...there's a chance it could be about him

[Cassius]

I kinda stopped reading Wolverine and the X Men after I saw how they destroyed his New X Men development

[Dudebro McTypo]

I feel like bumping this thread.


why?

Why not

[HostilSpike]

I was talking with some mates in the pub the other night and we came to the conclusion that Hellion probably won't become relevant again for a long time. Unfortunately he was basically written as Quentin Quire 2.0, though his character development from rebel to hero went much quicker. This wasn't a problem for a long time but now that QQ is back in the picture it seems really unlikely that we'll get to see any significant advancement in Julian's character.

Just gotta hope now that one of the two of them moves book.

[Dudebro McTypo]

I was talking with some mates in the pub the other night and we came to the conclusion that Hellion probably won't become relevant again for a long time. Unfortunately he was basically written as Quentin Quire 2.0, though his character development from rebel to hero went much quicker. This wasn't a problem for a long time but now that QQ is back in the picture it seems really unlikely that we'll get to see any significant advancement in Julian's character.

Just gotta hope now that one of the two of them moves book.

All it takes bro is for one writer to see something in him and make the push to use him

[Peter F.]

Possible good news. Via twitter a couple days back, Chris Yost said that he has plans for ether Hellion or X-23.

Considering that Yost wrote Jules's Divided We Stand story...there's a chance it could be about him

I just realized, with X-23 in Avengers Arena, there's a decent chance that it might be Julian that Yost was talking about here.

[Dudebro McTypo]

I just realized, with X-23 in Avengers Arena, there's a decent chance that it might be Julian that Yost was talking about here.

We can only hope, though I would feel more comfortable if Marvel announced another ongoing for Yost

[Dudebro McTypo]

Just talked to Yost and he says that he's currently on Scarlet and will do some Avenging Spider-Man in January but that's it for now :(

[Dudebro McTypo]

In these dark times....remember hope burns bright

[infernohara]

I just realized, with X-23 in Avengers Arena, there's a decent chance that it might be Julian that Yost was talking about here.

Yost is writing Scarlet Spider and Scarlet is infiltrating the JGS with Aracely. Maybe just maybe, Yost will have Hellion as one of the main students thats involved in the whole affair. That would be rather cool.

[georgerogers42]

Hellion and Surge should be in Uncanny whipping the new generation of mutants into shape.

[georgerogers42]

I was talking with some mates in the pub the other night and we came to the conclusion that Hellion probably won't become relevant again for a long time. Unfortunately he was basically written as Quentin Quire 2.0, though his character development from rebel to hero went much quicker. This wasn't a problem for a long time but now that QQ is back in the picture it seems really unlikely that we'll get to see any significant advancement in Julian's character.

Just gotta hope now that one of the two of them moves book.

Hellion is not Quentin Quire 2.0 -- He is more of a Cable.

[Phoenix Raptor]

I quite miss Hellion, to be honest. I remember reading an interview with Kyle & Yost (I think) and they were asked why Julian always ended up getting so badly injured on missions. Their reply was along the lines of "if he wasn't such a dick to everyone, we'd treat him better!" :(

I liked his progression in NXM - from school bully to someone who genuinely cared about his team. Hell, I had high hopes after he saved everyone in Fables but the end result of that was that Rogue entirely and spectacularly missed the point of what he did and tore him a new one!

I just wish someone somewhere would use him and make him a relevant character again. He has far too much potential too be such sporadic wallpaper at JGS.... :(

[Dudebro McTypo]

Hellion is not Quentin Quire 2.0 -- He is more of a Cable.

I will say this Julian is more militant than Quire

[Don Quixote]

I quite miss Hellion, to be honest. I remember reading an interview with Kyle & Yost (I think) and they were asked why Julian always ended up getting so badly injured on missions. Their reply was along the lines of "if he wasn't such a dick to everyone, we'd treat him better!" :(

I liked his progression in NXM - from school bully to someone who genuinely cared about his team. Hell, I had high hopes after he saved everyone in Fables but the end result of that was that Rogue entirely and spectacularly missed the point of what he did and tore him a new one!

I just wish someone somewhere would use him and make him a relevant character again. He has far too much potential too be such sporadic wallpaper at JGS.... :(

That could quite easily apply to Kyle and Yost themselves as well.

I liked Julian, and I thought they were actually intent on taking him on a journey that would lead to him becoming the hero he always looked capable of being. The Nimrod arc of New X-Men was fantastic for his character. But then... sadly Kyle and Yost lost interest and decided to maim him instead. Then Liu did a hatchet job on him in X-23, and no one else has been interested.

These sorts of decisions are the reason that I only read one comic book now (Gambit), and don't plan on reading any others in the future.

[Dudebro McTypo]

That could quite easily apply to Kyle and Yost themselves as well.

I liked Julian, and I thought they were actually intent on taking him on a journey that would lead to him becoming the hero he always looked capable of being. The Nimrod arc of New X-Men was fantastic for his character. But then... sadly Kyle and Yost lost interest and decided to maim him instead. Then Liu did a hatchet job on him in X-23, and no one else has been interested.

These sorts of decisions are the reason that I only read one comic book now (Gambit), and don't plan on reading any others in the future.

Carey was on his way to rebuilding Julian..but then he left and we got Gage on Legacy....ughhh

[Dudebro McTypo]

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[Kieran_Frost]

Wait... WHAT? REALLY??? I would buy that comic in a heart-beat!

[Dudebro McTypo]

Wait... WHAT? REALLY??? I would buy that comic in a heart-beat!

Its just a very nice commission piece

[Kieran_Frost]

Its just a very nice commission piece
Yes, sadly I have now found the thread. What an AMAZING team that would be, though. Incredibly diverse, more women than men, people from all across the world, amazing art... *le sigh* Hellion looks amazing and needs some love from writers.

[blackpariah]

Kyle and Yost were the ones that did the hatchet job on him, Liu just unwrapped the bandages, so to speak.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Kyle and Yost were the ones that did the hatchet job on him, Liu just unwrapped the bandages, so to speak.

Liu threw him under the freaking bus

[blackpariah]

Liu threw him under the freaking bus

Now that I think about it, it wasn't Liu or Kyle and Yost that screwed over Hellion. Who reversed all of his New X-men character development and turned him into a selfish angst machine? It was Mike Carey with Fables of the Reconstruction. If we're gonna be mad at anyone, we should be mad at him. All Liu did was write Julian in line with his last few appearances.

[Dudebro McTypo]

Now that I think about it, it wasn't Liu or Kyle and Yost that screwed over Hellion. Who reversed all of his New X-men character development and turned him into a selfish angst machine? It was Mike Carey with Fables of the Reconstruction. If we're gonna be mad at anyone, we should be mad at him. All Liu did was write Julian in line with his last few appearances.

It wasn't Carey's fault ether. Fables, as bad as it was for Julian, was realistic in portraying the anger of a boy who had just lost both his hands to genocidal sentinel. Yeah we didn't like it...but it had to be done. Then with AoX and then his last story we see that Carey was building something with him but that got dropped cuz he left the title.

Liu still threw Julian under the bus, ESPECIALLY in issue 20 of X-23

[Kieran_Frost]

Kyle and Yost were the ones that did the hatchet job on him, Liu just unwrapped the bandages, so to speak.
DISAGREE!!! My love of Hellion comes from Kyle&Yost's run. They made him amazing, his relationship with X-23 and Emma were really well done... he was really likeable and he got a major power boost.


Liu still threw Julian under the bus, ESPECIALLY in issue 20 of X-23
What happened? I wanted to get it for Julian, but didn't like the art. Was it worth getting as a TPB?

[Dudebro McTypo]

DISAGREE!!! My love of Hellion comes from Kyle&Yost's run. They made him amazing, his relationship with X-23 and Emma were really well done... he was really likeable and he got a major power boost.


What happened? I wanted to get it for Julian, but didn't like the art. Was it worth getting as a TPB?

You don't like Noto's art?

Anywho, in the first part of the issue, Laura and Gambit, with Jubilee are playing two hand touch on the lawn. And Julian's over by a tree watching them. And Laura asks why he's watching them....it was really bad writing


Go and read New X-Men from issue 24 through to 36. If you don't admit you're wrong after that, you're just trolling.

It's Mia DQ...she sees what she wants to see....

[Kieran_Frost]

You don't like Noto's art?
WHAT? I thought it was Sana-manga. I love Noto's work!


Anywho, in the first part of the issue, Laura and Gambit, with Jubilee are playing two hand touch on the lawn. And Julian's over by a tree watching them. And Laura asks why he's watching them....it was really bad writing
Oooh, scans? The only scan I did see (which made me want to try the arc) involved a dragon. Don't know why or how, but it looked cool!

[blackpariah]

WHAT? I thought it was Sana-manga. I love Noto's work!

That arc was Sana Takeda.

Alright, let me explain what i said earlier. When I said Kyle and Yost did a hatchet job, I meant that in the literal sense. :biggrin: They built him up and reworked him over the course of their run and made him one of my favorite characters; and then hit him with grievous bodily harm for no real reason. It's obvious Carey had plans for Julian, but after Age of X that all fell by the wayside. Liu definitely could have wrote him with a bit more subtlety (physical violence and weird stalker behavior), but she was going off his last full appearance.

All that being said, Hellion's last few lines in X-23 #20 were seriously out of character, so I guess I spread the blame around equally.