Rob Zombie's "Halloween: The Devil Walks Among Us"

[Andreas Tanis]

This is the officially title for Halloween 2, just so you know.

I'm really looking forward to this as I'm a big fan of Rob Zombie and enjoyed his new, fresh interpretation on the Halloween story. I'm also happy to see that Tyler Mane, Scout Taylor-Compton, and Malcom McDowell are returning. :cool:

[Murrocko]

I did enjoy the first one and the second one does seem to be looking promising, but I don't know if I'm sold on that title.

[Andreas Tanis]

Great avatar, first of all.

Second of all, I think the title is actually pretty cool, it would sound kind of bland to just name it "Halloween 2"....at least in my opinion.

I'll be posting pics shortly, keep you all up to date. ;)

[Andreas Tanis]

Here are some pics of the mask, but these have been up for a while:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/13/l_7801a4cc7aae421398fd0f4c9b22fdf1.jpg

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/44/l_307a6786f1fe463492b81cbb2d7b9f36.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/27/l_0cfc0214a24948ee8034ee9bb1df7f3d.jpg

[kmeyers]

Rob Zombie pissed all over Michael Myers in his first remake. He made Mikey a normal typical serial killer profile...fuck that. Please just stop.

[Guy1]

I really hope this second one is better.
Because Michael's life story from the last one got old fast.
Seeing him kill the two rapists was fun at least.

[Andreas Tanis]

He didn't piss all over anything, he made a new vision. What most people don't seem to understand is that the movie was a re-imagining. There's no point in doing a movie that's exactly the same as something done 30 years ago and copying it shot for shot. Even John Carpenter told Rob to make it his own movie, and he did. People complain about Michael's background, but the truth is many millions of people grow up that way, and there's nothing wrong with Michael's background in the movie.

I understand having an opinion, but now it seems like a trend to say how much you hate Rob Zombie, and how much he ruined Myers, when he didn't. He didn't make Michael someone who can be defeated by weak "kung-fu" by a rapper. He didn't make Michael get yelled at by a rapper, smacked upside the head by a rapper, and then walk off like a little bitch. Zombie made Michael more intense, and upped his status as the boogeyman, me thinks.

[kmeyers]

He didn't piss all over anything, he made a new vision. What most people don't seem to understand is that the movie was a re-imagining. There's no point in doing a movie that's exactly the same as something done 30 years ago and copying it shot for shot. Even John Carpenter told Rob to make it his own movie, and he did. People complain about Michael's background, but the truth is many millions of people grow up that way, and there's nothing wrong with Michael's background in the movie.

I understand having an opinion, but now it seems like a trend to say how much you hate Rob Zombie, and how much he ruined Myers, when he didn't. He didn't make Michael someone who can be defeated by weak "kung-fu" by a rapper. He didn't make Michael get yelled at by a rapper, smacked upside the head by a rapper, and then walk off like a little bitch. Zombie made Michael more intense, and upped his status as the boogeyman, me thinks.

He made Michael Myers into a generic stereotypical serial killer. HOW ORIGINAL!!! It's so "original" that he basically totally copied the psychological profile of most serial killers.

Michael Myers is a force of nature, Pure EVIL incarnate. Zombie tried to explain that, and his childhood, and it sucked...hard. He made Michael Myers into EVERY other serial killer in history. WEAK, and boring. and completely unoriginal.

His first sad attempt was like a bad Law and Order episode.

[Andreas Tanis]

100% original ideas are hard to come by...Zombie's point wasn't to make a completely original story, it was to explain why he think Michael became the way he was, and there was nothing wrong with his interpretation. He didn't butcher or ruin the character, he added his own take.

Tyler Mane as Michael Myers is FTW, I must add.

[kmeyers]

100% original ideas are hard to come by...Zombie's point wasn't to make a completely original story, it was to explain why he think Michael became the way he was, and there was nothing wrong with his interpretation. He didn't butcher or ruin the character, he added his own take.

Tyler Mane as Michael Myers is FTW, I must add.

He added the generic serial killer profile to something(Mike) that needs to be a force of nature, and not the typical stereotype...Mikey doesnt like that.

How the hell is applying a generic serial killer profile origin, original by any stretch of the imagination?

[Andreas Tanis]

I can see you didn't read my post since I said it wasn't 100% original, nor was it meant to be 100% original. Go ahead, re-read my post, I'll wait.

[kmeyers]

I can see you didn't read my post since I said it wasn't 100% original, nor was it meant to be 100% original. Go ahead, re-read my post, I'll wait.

It's 0% original since it completely steals from the typical serial killer profile. And it's lame as hell. Michael Myers is just your regular serial killer...No thanks Rob.

The original still stands strong and mocks Rob Zombie's sad attempts.

[Andreas Tanis]

How does it mock his sad attempt? The original may be the superior film but Rob's sad attempt is the highest grossing Halloween movie to date, which has allowed him to make a sequel. I understand that you may not like the remake, and that you may hate it, but there are tons of ideas out there that are somewhat unoriginal, but no one complains, so again, I find this Rob Zombie hate unwarranted.

No matter the case, I'm looking forward to this movie, and will be posting more pics later. Btw, for those who don't know, Margot Kidder will be in this film as Laurie's therapist.

[kmeyers]

How does it mock his sad attempt? The original may be the superior film but Rob's sad attempt is the highest grossing Halloween movie to date, which has allowed him to make a sequel. I understand that you may not like the remake, and that you may hate it, but there are tons of ideas out there that are somewhat unoriginal, but no one complains, so again, I find this Rob Zombie hate unwarranted.

No matter the case, I'm looking forward to this movie, and will be posting more pics later. Btw, for those who don't know, Margot Kidder will be in this film as Laurie's therapist.
I really have no "irrational" hate for Rob Zombie. I just felt he took pure evil, and tried to rationalize it, and failed horribly. By basically generalizing it.

Well, that's one of my many problems. $$$ doesnt = better. and I fucking hate the remake as a Michael Myers movie.

as a random horror movie about a serial killer, fine. As a Michael Myers movie...no thanks.

Stick to music Rob.

[Andreas Tanis]

I think he did a fantastic job in making his own vision, not copying what was already done, and making it for the new generation. He made Myers scary again....from what was done in the last movie, the character essentially became a joke.

In any case, this isn't a hate thread and I don't want it to be totally derailed so let's just agree to disagree.

[kmeyers]

I think he did a fantastic job in making his own vision, not copying what was already done, and making it for the new generation. He made Myers scary again....from what was done in the last movie, the character essentially became a joke.

In any case, this isn't a hate thread and I don't want it to be totally derailed so let's just agree to disagree.

And bottom line, I think he sucked. We ABSOLUTELY disagree.
John Carpenter>>>>Rob Zombie.

[choptop]

first one suckt maybe the second one will be better.

[Andreas Tanis]

I thought the first one was done extremely well, and I expect this movie to be even better. I'll enjoy seeing what more Tyler Mane does with the role, as I think he's the best person to portray Michael yet, with Nick Castle being a close second.

[Andreas Tanis]

Here are the pics:

http://i41.tinypic.com/a5kumh.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/iz52eb.jpg

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/h2newset1.jpg

In case you're wondering, that is indeed Tyler Mane with a beard, in which he has been growing out for a year now. I think it looks quite awesome.

[choptop]

I thought the first one was done extremely well, and I expect this movie to be even better. I'll enjoy seeing what more Tyler Mane does with the role, as I think he's the best person to portray Michael yet, with Nick Castle being a close second.

so how can you like RZsHalloween but not like HO1C or THE DEVILS REJECTs?

[choptop]

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/h2newset1.jpg

In case you're wondering, that is indeed Tyler Mane with a beard, in which he has been growing out for a year now. I think it looks quite awesome.

i dont know if ill like Michael with a beard.

[Andreas Tanis]

More pics:

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/h2newset2.jpg

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/h2newset3.jpg

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/h2newset4.jpg

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/loomis-book-2.jpg

Here's a little news as well:

WOH Chicago: Caroline Williams on her H2 role

Speaking at our just-concluded Chicago Weekend of Horrors, the aging-well Caroline Williams (who played spunky and sexy radio DJ Stretch in Tobe Hooper’s cult sequel THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2) revealed a bit of news about her turn in Rob Zombie’s currently filming HALLOWEEN sequel. “I have just wrapped my scenes in H2,” the actress tells us. WARNING- spoilers ahead...


“I was in the first shot of the first day,” she continues. “My scene begins with Scout [Taylor-Compton, returning as Laurie] being delivered into the emergency room. I play one of the doctors, and Michael Myers literally bursts into the place and begins his killing spree. It takes place right after the events of the previous HALLOWEEN, and all I can say is that I’m flattered to be a part of a Rob Zombie movie. I’m a massive fan of his work.” We last reported on H2 here, and you can see its official site here; Fango will be hitting the film’s set shortly, so look for lots more coverage here and in the magazine as the sequel heads toward its August 28 release from Dimension.

[Andreas Tanis]

so how can you like RZsHalloween but not like HO1C or THE DEVILS REJECTs?

Never said I didn't like them, I was just busting your balls. :biggrin:

As for liking Michael with a beard, it was reported by someone working on the film (his name escapes me at the moment) that the beard isn't actually seen a hell of a lot nor does it have any particular relevance to the movie. He said it's not really visible at all once the mask is on.

[choptop]

Never said I didn't like them, I was just busting your balls. :biggrin:

As for liking Michael with a beard, it was reported by someone working on the film (his name escapes me at the moment) that the beard isn't actually seen a hell of a lot nor does it have any particular relevance to the movie. He said it's not really visible at all once the mask is on.

:biggrin: :smile: good to know. if the beard isn't poping out of the masck im cool with it.

[choptop]

so do you know if Laurie Strodes is going to be in it and if sum one new will be playing her?

[Andreas Tanis]

Yeah, the guy said it isn't, so I hope he isn't lying. The beard looks cool and all but should never be popping out of the mask.

Btw, Tyler Mane is officially the first person to portray Michael Myers more than once.

[Andreas Tanis]

so do you know if Laurie Strodes is going to be in it and if sum one new will be playing her?

Dude, Scout is in two of the pictures I posted. :confused:

[choptop]

Dude, Scout is in two of the pictures I posted. :confused:

i did not see her in the back in the one pic and in the next shes got blood on her how wus i to know. i dont like her as Laurie.

[Athena Bast]

Margot Kidder was just added as Laurie's therapist.

Howard Hesseman is in it too but I can't remember who he's playing.

[Andreas Tanis]

Has Brad Douriff been confirmed to return?

Also, I think Scout made Laurie appear as a real character, just as Jamie Lee Curtis did. Both did a performance in which their actions are likely what girls of that particular era in time would've done. Scout was able to make her character appear smart and for the new age without making her turn into your typical teenage hoodlum, me thinks.

[ForeverTaskmaster]

I am curious about the second part. I didn't want to watch the first part at first. I thought :"Why is he making this, while he made wicked stuff like The Devil's Rejects and The House Of 1000 Corpses?"
However, I still decided to watch his Halloween movie and it was better than I expected, but it wasn't a big masterpiece. And you know what was funny about the movie? I didn't even recognize Danielle Harris who was Bruce Willis' foulmouthed daughter in The Last Boy Scout.

[Andreas Tanis]

Yeah, she also portrayed Jamie Lloyd in Halloween 4 & 5. She'll be returning in this sequel as well, so this will be her fourth Halloween movie.

[Andreas Tanis]

Update** Zombie removed the information regarding the title of the film. Halloween: The Devil Walks Among Us is NOT offical.

Though I like the title, it's just doesn't roll off the tonge very well. Say it out loud as if you're buying a ticket to see the movie....go ahead, say it......didn't it seem just a bit too long and hard to say? I thought so.

If only they could use Halloween 2, this title thing wouldn't be an issue...but Universal are holding on to it.

Zombie himself probably just was playing around with the title idea, but knew it wasn't right. But you have to understand and admit, H2 is a dumb title for ANY movie, especially for a Halloween film. H2? Lame.

I wish they'd keep the above title...it sounds pretty cool to me.

[Sean Walsh]

Michael Myers is a force of nature, Pure EVIL incarnate. Zombie tried to explain that, and his childhood, and it sucked...hard. He made Michael Myers into EVERY other serial killer in history. WEAK, and boring. and completely unoriginal.

His first sad attempt was like a bad Law and Order episode.

You've never seen an episode of L&O, now have you?

If they had a Mike Myers L&O, it'd be either atrocious (because the format is COMPLETELY WRONG for L&O) or it'd be a landmark in television history because of how they put the legal procedural spin on it....

[meethraa]

The original Halloween 2 was quite... crap. So at least this time around Zombie has an actual chance at making a superior remake.
And given his first couple of films, I'm sure he will..

[Winterwolf]

I liked Zomibies take on Halloween, it wasn't perfect but still entertaining. I mean there was no way it could have been "perfect" like so many wanted it to be. If he made the movie frame by frame the same we all would have screamed "rip off and unoriginal", if he changed it anymore than he did we would have cried "lame".

The stills and mask look good, I like the look of the Loomis book cover too.

[Ed Sullivan]

I really liked his remake of Halloween simply because I never really liked the whole supernatural aspect of the original. I don't think it was fitting. I think it's much scarier to know a little bit of his family history beyond the fact that he killed a bunch of 'em. In my opinion, in no way did the back story turn Michael Myers into every other "boring" serial killer in history. He can still survive all kinds of ridiculous shit can't he? Could Ted Bundy survive the electric chair?

Besides, that scene where little Mikey Myers beats that kid to death with a log in the woods with the clown mask on... brutal!

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Rob Zombie pissed all over Michael Myers in his first remake. He made Mikey a normal typical serial killer profile...fuck that. Please just stop.

Thats because the movie was called "rob zombies halloween", meaning he got to put his spin on it. And considering his background with horror anyone who knows about him should have seen it coming since he loves tradtional red neck or just plain crazy type killers.

Im glad he didnt just take the cheap way out and do a shot by shot remake of the original. He took stuff from the original and added in his own thing to make it different, Id rather have that than some mindless remake.

If nothing else it was cool the movie was like 2 movies really. The first part was all his material then once michael is grown up it becomes a remake of the original with a couple new things thrown in.

Its one thing to not geniunely not like a remake or something because you just really didnt think it was a good movie, but to not like something just because its not exactly like the original is stupid. Im personally not big on remakes, I think its a cheap way out but if a remake is done with a different feel, style and spin on things and its actually done decent and not slapped together then I dont mind it so much.

[choptop]

The original Halloween 2 was quite... crap. So at least this time around Zombie has an actual chance at making a superior remake.
And given his first couple of films, I'm sure he will..

how is The original Halloween 2 crap?

[Legato]

Zombie's Halloween was ok for what it is. I just felt that Myers didn't need a background IMO. I will always prefer the original pure evil Myers but I am willing to give this new one a chance.

Unlike some people I am willing to seperate this version from the original since I can acknowledge that each movie is completly different from the other. Hating the movie is fine but calling Zombie a bad director because he didn't make it completly like Carpenters version is BS.

I believe Zombie has the potential to be a good horror movie director. Thare was some hits and misses with the first Halloween movie but I hope he would learn from his mistakes from the first one and improve on the second movie.

Any word on if Dr.Loomis(sp) will return in the second one?

[choptop]

LOL The Angry Halloween Nerd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n1dsB6tgsg

[Warpsters]

I prefer the original but I did enjoy Zombie's remake. I'm interested to see his take on part 2. I think Halloween 2 is the 2nd best in the series(followed by Zombie's # 1).I'll be interested to see if he can improve on the original sequel(now that's an odd phrase).

[Legato]

If Halloween 2 is successful I would like him to correct the horrible mistake that was Halloween III.

[Mr.EZ]

Zombie's Halloween was abysmal. Myers is a force of nature, not a momma's boy with issues. It's like, if Zombie remade Jaws, would he explain that the shark was abused as a baby shark and that's why he eats the people of Amity?

It's the same difference.

[Ed Sullivan]

If Halloween 2 is successful I would like him to correct the horrible mistake that was Halloween III.
Seriously.

[Ed Sullivan]

Zombie's Halloween was abysmal. Myers is a force of nature, not a momma's boy with issues. It's like, if Zombie remade Jaws, would he explain that the shark was abused as a baby shark and that's why he eats the people of Amity?

It's the same difference.
I get the point you're trying to make but that's apples and oranges.

[Indigo Al]

I'll take Carpenter's Halloween over Zombie's vision - I sorta wish he'd applied his ideas to a new slasher franchise.

If Halloween 2 is successful I would like him to correct the horrible mistake that was Halloween III.

No no no! Halloween III was WONDERFUL!!!!

[Warpsters]

If Halloween 2 is successful I would like him to correct the horrible mistake that was Halloween III.

Seriously.

I agree. I would have loved to hear the pitch for that flick......

A Halloween movie WITHOUT Michael Myers? WHY???

[Indigo Al]

I agree. I would have loved to hear the pitch for that flick......

A Halloween movie WITHOUT Michael Myers? WHY???

That was the original intention for the Halloween franchise - a completely new story for every release. An idea I fully support.

[nervmeister]

Okay. How in the hell is Rob going to explain Michael surviving a point blank blast from a magnum to the head?

[nervmeister]

I really liked his remake of Halloween simply because I never really liked the whole supernatural aspect of the original. I don't think it was fitting. I think it's much scarier to know a little bit of his family history beyond the fact that he killed a bunch of 'em. In my opinion, in no way did the back story turn Michael Myers into every other "boring" serial killer in history. He can still survive all kinds of ridiculous shit can't he? Could Ted Bundy survive the electric chair?

Besides, that scene where little Mikey Myers beats that kid to death with a log in the woods with the clown mask on... brutal!BTW, they never explained how Michael got so damn strong in a mental asylum. Do nuthouses have weight rooms now? :tongue:

[Athena Bast]

Has Brad Douriff been confirmed to return?

Also, I think Scout made Laurie appear as a real character, just as Jamie Lee Curtis did. Both did a performance in which their actions are likely what girls of that particular era in time would've done. Scout was able to make her character appear smart and for the new age without making her turn into your typical teenage hoodlum, me thinks.

I'm getting the updates from his MySpace page. You can always check there. I don't know.

[Ed Sullivan]

BTW, they never explained how Michael got so damn strong in a mental asylum. Do nuthouses have weight rooms now? :tongue:
The weight of his emotional baggage!

[Andreas Tanis]

BTW, they never explained how Michael got so damn strong in a mental asylum. Do nuthouses have weight rooms now? :tongue:

They never explained how he got so strong in any of the movies but a lot of people are just born naturally incredibly strong, especially crazy people.

[Andreas Tanis]

Thats because the movie was called "rob zombies halloween", meaning he got to put his spin on it. And considering his background with horror anyone who knows about him should have seen it coming since he loves tradtional red neck or just plain crazy type killers.

Im glad he didnt just take the cheap way out and do a shot by shot remake of the original. He took stuff from the original and added in his own thing to make it different, Id rather have that than some mindless remake.

If nothing else it was cool the movie was like 2 movies really. The first part was all his material then once michael is grown up it becomes a remake of the original with a couple new things thrown in.

Its one thing to not geniunely not like a remake or something because you just really didnt think it was a good movie, but to not like something just because its not exactly like the original is stupid. Im personally not big on remakes, I think its a cheap way out but if a remake is done with a different feel, style and spin on things and its actually done decent and not slapped together then I dont mind it so much.

Finally, someone gets it. I don't get why the Halloween remake is supposed to be so freaking terrible. It's not like we got a bunch of bad actors, and a really horrible story. Daeg is an amazing young actor and for someone so young he displayed a lot of talent and acting ability, he added on to Michael.....made him this crazy ass kid who was smart enough to play things off as if he didn't know what he did, but we know all too well he remembers everything.

Look, my main point here is that the actors cast in this movie were superb, and in no way did Rob butcher the story of Halloween. People aren't understanding this wasn't John Carpenter's movie, so it wasn't the same, it was meant to be different, and just because it's different doesn't make it a bad movie. If you want a bad movie, go watch the original Halloween 2, and Halloween: Resurrection. :wink:

[choptop]

If you want a bad movie, go watch the original Halloween 2, and Halloween: Resurrection. :wink:

Resurrection ok but y do you all say the original Halloween 2 is so bad i dont get it?

[Andreas Tanis]

I just didn't enjoy it, I thought it was lame and boring up until the ending. It's just my own little opinion.

[kmeyers]

Finally, someone gets it. I don't get why the Halloween remake is supposed to be so freaking terrible. It's not like we got a bunch of bad actors, and a really horrible story. Daeg is an amazing young actor and for someone so young he displayed a lot of talent and acting ability, he added on to Michael.....made him this crazy ass kid who was smart enough to play things off as if he didn't know what he did, but we know all too well he remembers everything.

Look, my main point here is that the actors cast in this movie were superb, and in no way did Rob butcher the story of Halloween. People aren't understanding this wasn't John Carpenter's movie, so it wasn't the same, it was meant to be different, and just because it's different doesn't make it a bad movie. If you want a bad movie, go watch the original Halloween 2, and Halloween: Resurrection. :wink:

Look, I'm not saying I wanted an exact copy of the original movie, and I have never said that. In fact it's not a bad horror movie about a serial killer. It's just a terrible Michael Myers movie.

Is it so hard to believe that I hated the new direction he took the Michael Myers character in? Yeah I get that it's "his take" on the character, but I happen to think "his take" on the character was generic and totally sucked. Seriously, look at the profile for a serial killer and you'll see exactly what he made Mikey into.

Torturing and killing animals-check
Broken home/messed up home life-check
Bullied in school-check.

Unoriginal and lame explanation for a character like Michael Myers.

[Andreas Tanis]

Meh, whatever, I'm not about to even go into it anymore. That's your opinion, it's fine, I'm just about to move on, I'm done with it.

[kmeyers]

Meh, whatever, I'm not about to even go into it anymore. That's your opinion, it's fine, I'm just about to move on, I'm done with it.

That's fine. I just had to clarify that the problems I had with it were not just simply because it was different from the original. Mostly just HOW it was different. Different doesn't automatically = bad. But in this case, for me, it was the totally wrong way to go.

But dealing with character origins can be VERY tricky. Especially with already established popular characters like Mike. I kind of feel the same about what they did to Wolverine with his Origins story. It's much more interesting not knowing exactly where they come from.

[Guy1]

That's fine. I just had to clarify that the problems I had with it were not just simply because it was different from the original. Mostly just HOW it was different. Different doesn't automatically = bad. But in this case, for me, it was the totally wrong way to go.

But dealing with character origins can be VERY tricky. Especially with already established popular characters like Mike. I kind of feel the same about what they did to Wolverine with his Origins story. It's much more interesting not knowing exactly where they come from.

Like with Joker?

[choptop]

so Andreas what remakes did you enjoy more thin the originals? and what originals did you like more thin the remakes? just asking.

[kmeyers]

Like with Joker?

That's actually a perfect example when looking at The Dark Knight. The Joker is basically a force of nature, an "agent of chaos" with no need for an explanation. Much like Michael Myers.

[Indigo Al]

Finally, someone gets it. I don't get why the Halloween remake is supposed to be so freaking terrible. It's not like we got a bunch of bad actors, and a really horrible story.

Look, my main point here is that the actors cast in this movie were superb, and in no way did Rob butcher the story of Halloween.

Unfortunately, the role of Laurie Strode in the remake was badly written, not not greatly acted, which is a problem in a story like Halloween.

And BTW, Andreas - don't think just because we disagree that we don't appreciate your viewpoint. You started a great discussion about the Halloween series!

[Andreas Tanis]

I'll give you that Michael can be scarier with no explanations, but Zombie's idea worked well to. Then again, I'm just scared of Tyler 'cause he's so freakin' huge.

Also, to answer choptop's question, I like the Halloween remake more than the original, though I do recognize the original as being superior, and I like the F13 remake more than the original, and also believe the F13 remake is superior to the original.

[Andreas Tanis]

Unfortunately, the role of Laurie Strode in the remake was badly written, not not greatly acted, which is a problem in a story like Halloween.

And BTW, Andreas - don't think just because we disagree that we don't appreciate your viewpoint. You started a great discussion about the Halloween series!

I disagree for the most part. Like a lot of movies, there were a few lines I thought that shouldn't have been in there, like the bagel scene, but other than that scene, I thought Scout did a terrific job.

Thanks, I respect all of you all's opinions as well. I'm sorry if my last post towards kmyers came off as me being a douche, but I meant it as in we should move on to something else, as I've seen even the most civil discussions turn into something worse when it's dragged on too long. Nothing against any of you who don't like the original, but the one thing I don't like is when people say they don't like it specifically because it wasn't exactly like the original. No one here really said that, but trust me, others have said so.

And thanks again, I hope for this thread to hold many great discussions. :smile:

[Indigo Al]

That's actually a perfect example when looking at The Dark Knight. The Joker is basically a force of nature, an "agent of chaos" with no need for an explanation. Much like Michael Myers.

That's why that line that Dr Loomis delivered in the original - "I looked into that boy's eyes and saw nothing staring back" - is all the background and explanation Michael Myers needs. Not the tragic trailer-trash past, and not cheesy druids a la Halloween 6.

[choptop]

ok now i need to ask the big one who wold you do Jamie Lee Curtis as she is in Halloween or Scout?:biggrin: :cool:

[kmeyers]

I disagree for the most part. Like a lot of movies, there were a few lines I thought that shouldn't have been in there, like the bagel scene, but other than that scene, I thought Scout did a terrific job.

Thanks, I respect all of you all's opinions as well. I'm sorry if my last post towards kmyers came off as me being a douche, but I meant it as in we should move on to something else, as I've seen even the most civil discussions turn into something worse when it's dragged on too long. Nothing against any of you who don't like the original, but the one thing I don't like is when people say they don't like it specifically because it wasn't exactly like the original. No one here really said that, but trust me, others have said so.

And thanks again, I hope for this thread to hold many great discussions. :smile:

No offense taken or hard feelings here. I just felt I needed to clarify my position, since you weren't the only person who pointed out that it was supposed to be different, and that people would complain if it was a clone of the original. I just wanted to clarify that that wasn't the problem I had with it.

And for what it's worth I actually thought F13 remake was better than the original too. But that's not saying a whole lot, since I'm not that fond of the original. I like Jason as the killer, not his mom. It's interesting, but I like F13 movies because of Jason.

[Nate Grey]

For all this "force of nature" talk, what did folks think of Halloween 6? You know, the one that said he was reallythe avatar for the celtic god of death Thorne and how they tied him into an ancient celtic legend/curse? That doesn't seem like a force of nature, that seems very specific in fact.

[kmeyers]

For all this "force of nature" talk, what did folks think of Halloween 6? You know, the one that said he was reallythe avatar for the celtic god of death Thorne and how they tied him into an ancient celtic legend/curse? That doesn't seem like a force of nature, that seems very specific in fact.
Personally, I wasn't a fan of that either. It's just one of those things, most likely no explanation is going to improve the character.

Like Indigo Al pointed out, Loomis saying, "I looked into that boy's eyes and saw nothing staring back," is enough. The personification of evil itself. That's all I need to know.

[Nate Grey]

Personally, I wasn't a fan of that either. It's just one of those things, most likely no explanation is going to improve the character.

I agree. Probably why I hated Jason Goes To Hell, cause like Halloween 6 with Michael Myers, it tries to explain what he/it is instead of leaving it up to the imagination.

Like Indigo Al pointed out, Loomis saying, "I looked into that boy's eyes and saw nothing staring back," is enough. The personification of evil itself. That's all I need to know.

Here's the thing, though. I see how much you hate the remake, I've read it in this thread and in other threads, I believe. My thing is, that line of thought...is still intact. At least that's what I believe. Michael's backstory being revealed didn't humanize him in the least with me. It actually did the opposite. As bad as his upbringing was, it wasn't that bad that he should become a serial killer. The worse he could say is that he has an a-hole stepdad, ooooo. Not to mention he essentially got compensated, so to speak, with good treatment while in the mental institution. He killed that nurse with extreme prejudice, and Danny Trejo's character, too. His character's death at Michael's hands is what made me hate Myers, something I had never felt toward him before (I felt fear at the first movie, but it was probably cause I saw it at a young age). He threw away any potential sympathy for killing this one character who was nice to him, for essentially...well just because. Michael had no reason. Only someone pure evil would do that to someone who was kind to him.

You see the remake as trying to humanize Michael. I see it as showing how Michael is INhuman. And to that end is why it succeeds with me. I'm not here to change your mind or anything (indeed, don't want to go a few rounds with you like Andreas did) but I guess I'm just saying I feel the pure evil aspect is still there to me. There really is nothing there, as far as a soul is concerned.

[kmeyers]

I agree. Probably why I hated Jason Goes To Hell, cause like Halloween 6 with Michael Myers, it tries to explain what he/it is instead of leaving it up to the imagination.



Here's the thing, though. I see how much you hate the remake, I've read it in this thread and in other threads, I believe. My thing is, that line of thought...is still intact. At least that's what I believe. Michael's backstory being revealed didn't humanize him in the least with me. It actually did the opposite. As bad as his upbringing was, it wasn't that bad that he should become a serial killer. The worse he could say is that he has an a-hole stepdad, ooooo. Not to mention he essentially got compensated, so to speak, with good treatment while in the mental institution. He killed that nurse with extreme prejudice, and Danny Trejo's character, too. His character's death at Michael's hands is what made me hate Myers, something I had never felt toward him before (I felt fear at the first movie, but it was probably cause I saw it at a young age). He threw away any potential sympathy for killing this one character who was nice to him, for essentially...well just because. Michael had no reason. Only someone pure evil would do that to someone who was kind to him.

You see the remake as trying to humanize Michael. I see it as showing how Michael is INhuman. And to that end is why it succeeds with me. I'm not here to change your mind or anything (indeed, don't want to go a few rounds with you like Andreas did) but I guess I'm just saying I feel the pure evil aspect is still there to me. There really is nothing there, as far as a soul is concerned.

I'd explain that as basically a prison break. He had been asking since he was a kid when he could go home(until he stopped speaking), and they were pretty much blowing smoke up his ass, until the point he realized they were NEVER going to let him out. So he needed to find his own way out.

[Andreas Tanis]

On the deleted scenes Michael's mom could be seen asking if she could take him out. Do you all think if he regularly went out, or maybe every so often, would he have ended up exactly the same? I just want to hear what you think.

[Andreas Tanis]

No offense taken or hard feelings here. I just felt I needed to clarify my position, since you weren't the only person who pointed out that it was supposed to be different, and that people would complain if it was a clone of the original. I just wanted to clarify that that wasn't the problem I had with it.

And for what it's worth I actually thought F13 remake was better than the original too. But that's not saying a whole lot, since I'm not that fond of the original. I like Jason as the killer, not his mom. It's interesting, but I like F13 movies because of Jason.

First off, to answer choptop's question, if it's Jamie Lee Curtis from the first Halloween against Scout, I'd say Scout, but if it were Jamie Lee Curtis of today, I'd choose her. She's matured greatly in every aspect (yes, I include the body). :biggrin: But in the long run I could see myself eventually doing both.

Now, kmeyers, I agree wholeheartedly with that, but thank God the two movies we got without Jason as the real killer were actually pretty good, but I love to see Jason doing his thing, and not others or copycats. I thought the F13 remake was better than all the other Friday movies because they made Jason 1,000,000 times more badass, hulking, menacing, and smarter. People complain about how they like stupid Jason more but I prefer my villains to have some sort of smarts, even if it's only as far as killing is concerned.

[kmeyers]

On the deleted scenes Michael's mom could be seen asking if she could take him out. Do you all think if he regularly went out, or maybe every so often, would he have ended up exactly the same? I just want to hear what you think.

I don't think it would have mattered much...maybe he might have stopped speaking to anyone at a later time. But it's just human nature to not want to be locked up in a room for life.

[Andreas Tanis]

True that, he'd likely have still regressed more, but I think maybe at a slower rate.

kmeyers, would you agree that Tyler Mane is the best Michael to date? If not, who do you think is?

[kmeyers]

First off, to answer choptop's question, if it's Jamie Lee Curtis from the first Halloween against Scout, I'd say Scout, but if it were Jamie Lee Curtis of today, I'd choose her. She's matured greatly in every aspect (yes, I include the body). :biggrin: But in the long run I could see myself eventually doing both.

Now, kmeyers, I agree wholeheartedly with that, but thank God the two movies we got without Jason as the real killer were actually pretty good, but I love to see Jason doing his thing, and not others or copycats. I thought the F13 remake was better than all the other Friday movies because they made Jason 1,000,000 times more badass, hulking, menacing, and smarter. People complain about how they like stupid Jason more but I prefer my villains to have some sort of smarts, even if it's only as far as killing is concerned.

I had a few problems with the new F13 remake, that didn't ring true, and he definitely wasn't zombie Jason, but on second viewing that wasn't that big of a deal. It was still easily better than the original, and the intro covered the original movie just fine.

But my favorite is still Friday the 13th: Part 6 Jason Lives.

[Andreas Tanis]

I know we're a little off-topic but I'd be interested to hear all your pro's and cons for the F13 remake.

Btw, I just recently got the eight movie boxset, and have finally seen them all, and the one thing about part six that I didn't like was they replaced the dude who portrayed Tommy Jarvis from part five, and I really liked that he was a guy who was badass and could kick ass, and didn't talk a lot. They changed all of that around in 'Jason Lives'.

[kmeyers]

True that, he'd likely have still regressed more, but I think maybe at a slower rate.

kmeyers, would you agree that Tyler Mane is the best Michael to date? If not, who do you think is?

Tyler Mane is definitely a beastly intimidating figure.

But I have to go with a regular sized guy is more scary to me. Especially since it was done with much more suspense. The smaller Michael was way scarier to me.

[Andreas Tanis]

Both are scary for different reasons...smaller more normal sized Michael can pretty much hide anywhere and attack when you least expect it. With a bigger sized Michael, he can hide, but he doesn't have to because his size is such an intimidating factor and can be used to his advantage every time he attacks someone.

I'd probably shit myself silly if I saw a Tyler sized Michael more than I would a regular sized Michael.

[Nate Grey]

I'd explain that as basically a prison break. He had been asking since he was a kid when he could go home(until he stopped speaking), and they were pretty much blowing smoke up his ass, until the point he realized they were NEVER going to let him out. So he needed to find his own way out.

While that's true, he could have at least knocked the guy out.

On the deleted scenes Michael's mom could be seen asking if she could take him out. Do you all think if he regularly went out, or maybe every so often, would he have ended up exactly the same? I just want to hear what you think.

I don't think it would have meant one bit of difference. Michael was destined, or wanted (take your pick) to become what he became. To me that was the point of the remake as well as revealing the backstory.

I know we're a little off-topic but I'd be interested to hear all your pro's and cons for the F13 remake.

Btw, I just recently got the eight movie boxset, and have finally seen them all, and the one thing about part six that I didn't like was they replaced the dude who portrayed Tommy Jarvis from part five, and I really liked that he was a guy who was badass and could kick ass, and didn't talk a lot. They changed all of that around in 'Jason Lives'.

Well there is a F13 remake thread around here...

I will say that out of all of them, I hate part 5 the most. I didn't like part 9 (Jason Goes To Hell) but at least it wasn't freakin' boring.

I've also been meaning to get the 8 disc box set. I figure its 7 movies plus a free coaster (the part 5 DVD :tongue: ).

[kmeyers]

I know we're a little off-topic but I'd be interested to hear all your pro's and cons for the F13 remake.

Btw, I just recently got the eight movie boxset, and have finally seen them all, and the one thing about part six that I didn't like was they replaced the dude who portrayed Tommy Jarvis from part five, and I really liked that he was a guy who was badass and could kick ass, and didn't talk a lot. They changed all of that around in 'Jason Lives'.

Part V wasn't one of my favorites, so I don't mind that they changed the actor.
I just LOVE the opening scenes from that one(6)...and Jason just wrecking everyone.

The kills in the new F13 were well done, and it was a well done movie for the most part.

con-ish things...Jason has never taken prisoners, it just seemed weird to me, even if he thought she did look like his mom.

It's not a big deal, but I don't like Jason running after people(personal preference).

He set traps and has an underground lair, and things like that, which seem out of character. Again, it's not that bad, but it's just kind of strange. I know he has had a "lair" in barns before, but it seemed a bit off.

Dont get me wrong, I liked it, and don't mind those kind of changes. It's still Jason. So I just have nit-picks, really.

[Andreas Tanis]

I like all the movies, so it's hard for me to say which would be the worst if I had to pick. Anywho, I hated that Michael killed his caretaker as he was nice to him but then again he wouldn't be evil if he let some people survive. ;)

[Andreas Tanis]

Part V wasn't one of my favorites, so I don't mind that they changed the actor.
I just LOVE the opening scenes from that one(6)...and Jason just wrecking everyone.

The kills in the new F13 were well done, and it was a well done movie for the most part.

con-ish things...Jason has never taken prisoners, it just seemed weird to me, even if he thought she did look like his mom.

It's not a big deal, but I don't like Jason running after people(personal preference).

He set traps and has an underground lair, and things like that, which seem out of character. Again, it's not that bad, but it's just kind of strange. I know he has had a "lair" in barns before, but it seemed a bit off.

Dont get me wrong, I liked it, and don't mind those kind of changes. It's still Jason. So I just have nit-picks, really.

Yeah, he never has, but I thought it was a nice little twist to say the least, and something she could've used to her advantage if she had really been thinking.

It is up to personal preference but I love to see him running after his victims. Just imagine how much more scary it'd be to see a hulking 6'5 guy run after you than slow walk. If he slow walks, I could just outdo him by power walking. :biggrin:

I liked him setting traps and having an underground lair. It was out of character, no doubt, but at the same time I loved it because it added on to his character instead of rehashing what was already done.

[nervmeister]

Anywho, I hated that Michael killed his caretaker as he was nice to him Well, to be fair, young Michael seemed to like him beforehand. But by adulthood, Michael's psyche was just too far gone. It might as well have been a crocodile that killed the caretaker.

[kmeyers]

Yeah, he never has, but I thought it was a nice little twist to say the least, and something she could've used to her advantage if she had really been thinking.

It is up to personal preference but I love to see him running after his victims. Just imagine how much more scary it'd be to see a hulking 6'5 guy run after you than slow walk. If he slow walks, I could just outdo him by power walking. :biggrin:

I liked him setting traps and having an underground lair. It was out of character, no doubt, but at the same time I loved it because it added on to his character instead of rehashing what was already done.
Yeah, like I said...it wasn't a big deal to me. Just something I was kind of surprised about when I first saw it.

As to the running, I would find it far more horrifying if, after I just spent a few minutes sprinting away from certain death, it's 6'5 self just appeared right before me again wearing his hockey mask and with his machete.

[Andreas Tanis]

Why does my name say Ed Sullivan?

Anywho, yeah, he was too far gone, but then again, it all goes back to the other caretaker who was just a dumb hick who thought he could get away with messing with inmates. It's all his fault Michael even escaped.

[Nate Grey]

Part V wasn't one of my favorites, so I don't mind that they changed the actor.
I just LOVE the opening scenes from that one(6)...and Jason just wrecking everyone.

The kills in the new F13 were well done, and it was a well done movie for the most part.

con-ish things...Jason has never taken prisoners, it just seemed weird to me, even if he thought she did look like his mom.

It's not a big deal, but I don't like Jason running after people(personal preference).

He set traps and has an underground lair, and things like that, which seem out of character. Again, it's not that bad, but it's just kind of strange. I know he has had a "lair" in barns before, but it seemed a bit off.

Dont get me wrong, I liked it, and don't mind those kind of changes. It's still Jason. So I just have nit-picks, really.

I agree with you on all points, technically (though I LOVE that he can run versus his implied "teleportation" in the previous movies), but I cut him some slack cause we don't know WHAT he is. In both versions, remember, Jason still drowned. How he came back to life is a matter of conjecture and one ignored, continuity-wise, movie. Old Jason, he's not a zombie, the only thing he seems to share with zombies is that he's undead. He doesn't crave flesh and he's strong as fvck. Nu Jason, he might be undead too but something closer to...killable, I suppose. But I'd hazard that BOTH versions weren't playing with a full deck but instead running on pure instinct. We just went more in-depth with Nu Jason. The lair just showed what he did when he wasn't killing, and the captive, well, Jason only knows the one person he doesn't kill is his mom, so when he finds someone who looks like Major Kira...well I can understand him getting confused.

[Andreas Tanis]

Yeah, like I said...it wasn't a big deal to me. Just something I was kind of surprised about when I first saw it.

As to the running, I would find it far more horrifying if, after I just spent a few minutes sprinting away from certain death, it's 6'5 self just appeared right before me again wearing his hockey mask and with his machete.

I was to, I wasn't expecting a twist like that, I was in awe of the kill before her, and then her kill, and was still relishing on how awesome it was, and then they showed her....which brings me to my one question about that: How the hell did Jason pull back his machete in time enough not to kill her?

As you said, it's all personal preference, but I'd be more concerned with being chased than him teleporting, if it were to happen in real life. A big dude like that who can move fast can virtually be unstoppable....I hope they don't take away the running in the sequel.

[kmeyers]

I agree with you on all points, technically (though I LOVE that he can run versus his implied "teleportation" in the previous movies), but I cut him some slack cause we don't know WHAT he is. In both versions, remember, Jason still drowned. How he came back to life is a matter of conjecture and one ignored, continuity-wise, movie. Old Jason, he's not a zombie, the only thing he seems to share with zombies is that he's undead. He doesn't crave flesh and he's strong as fvck. Nu Jason, he might be undead too but something closer to...killable, I suppose. But I'd hazard that BOTH versions weren't playing with a full deck but instead running on pure instinct. We just went more in-depth with Nu Jason. The lair just showed what he did when he wasn't killing, and the captive, well, Jason only knows the one person he doesn't kill is his mom, so when he finds someone who looks like Major Kira...well I can understand him getting confused.

Well, besides building his underground lair, he was busy with his marijuana plants! Maybe to attract the teenagers, or maybe for his cataracts.

[Andreas Tanis]

I agree with you on all points, technically (though I LOVE that he can run versus his implied "teleportation" in the previous movies), but I cut him some slack cause we don't know WHAT he is. In both versions, remember, Jason still drowned. How he came back to life is a matter of conjecture and one ignored, continuity-wise, movie. Old Jason, he's not a zombie, the only thing he seems to share with zombies is that he's undead. He doesn't crave flesh and he's strong as fvck. Nu Jason, he might be undead too but something closer to...killable, I suppose. But I'd hazard that BOTH versions weren't playing with a full deck but instead running on pure instinct. We just went more in-depth with Nu Jason. The lair just showed what he did when he wasn't killing, and the captive, well, Jason only knows the one person he doesn't kill is his mom, so when he finds someone who looks like Major Kira...well I can understand him getting confused.

I never understood how in the original movies he was actually shown drowning and then wasn't mean to be undead until Tommy killed him. However, in the new movie, he never really drowned. It was more along the lines of him nearly drowning, and then his mom going apeshit, getting killed, and him witnessing it all. At least that's how I took it all in. However, I don't think the new version is as vulnerable as the original version. He seems to be quicker to bounce back from injury. He got his leg sliced open and he was still running top speed.

[Nate Grey]

Well, besides building his underground lair, he was busy with his marijuana plants! Maybe to attract the teenagers, or maybe for his cataracts.

Ya know, I took that as it just growing around that place naturally. No one can strip Crystal Lake bare of it cause Jason's around, and thus the weed gets to flourish. I don't think Jason even knows or gets what weed is, he just knows when people arrive, kill them.

[Andreas Tanis]

Well, besides building his underground lair, he was busy with his marijuana plants! Maybe to attract the teenagers, or maybe for his cataracts.


I was thinking about what if Jason was addicted to heroine.

Girl: *searching house....comes up to door & opens it* OH MY GOD!
Jason: *laid out on the floor with a needle in his arm* Go away!
Girl: Umm....aren't you supposed to be chasing me and trying to do me in?
Jason: No....I stopped doing that years ago. Now it's just me and my precious heroi---*falls into unconsciousness*

[Andreas Tanis]

Ya know, I took that as it just growing around that place naturally. No one can strip Crystal Lake bare of it cause Jason's around, and thus the weed gets to flourish. I don't think Jason even knows or gets what weed is, he just knows when people arrive, kill them.

My one gripe with the girls who resemble his mother is they are never smart enough to send him off or tell him to stop killing forever. I know it's just a movie but wouldn't that be the sensible thing to do?

[kmeyers]

Ya know, I took that as it just growing around that place naturally. No one can strip Crystal Lake bare of it cause Jason's around, and thus the weed gets to flourish. I don't think Jason even knows or gets what weed is, he just knows when people arrive, kill them.

It just seemed like another trap...since he killed whenever anyone came near it.

Like...come on into the woods, it's nice in here. Look we have weed for you! DEATH!

Sex drugs n rock n roll always = death in these movies.

[Nate Grey]

I never understood how in the original movies he was actually shown drowning and then wasn't mean to be undead until Tommy killed him. However, in the new movie, he never really drowned. It was more along the lines of him nearly drowning, and then his mom going apeshit, getting killed, and him witnessing it all. At least that's how I took it all in. However, I don't think the new version is as vulnerable as the original version. He seems to be quicker to bounce back from injury. He got his leg sliced open and he was still running top speed.

I took it as him still drowning, he just didn't reveal himself till his mom died. Maybe she brought him back somehow, maybe she didn't. I figured that much of it was irrelevant. I figured the point was to show the movie is supposed to be identical to the original up to his mom getting her head cut off, then it diverges into its own thing. As far as the leg, yeah, he kept moving, but it still slowed him down momentarily. Old Jason, he probably wouldn't have even noticed. That's why I think while both are practically unstoppable, this one might be a little more killable.

[kmeyers]

I was thinking about what if Jason was addicted to heroine.

Girl: *searching house....comes up to door & opens it* OH MY GOD!
Jason: *laid out on the floor with a needle in his arm* Go away!
Girl: Umm....aren't you supposed to be chasing me and trying to do me in?
Jason: No....I stopped doing that years ago. Now it's just me and my precious heroi---*falls into unconsciousness*

In Freddy vs Jason they injected him with enough tranquilizers to kill a Rhino. Heroin wouldnt be shit.

[Nate Grey]

My one gripe with the girls who resemble his mother is they are never smart enough to send him off or tell him to stop killing forever. I know it's just a movie but wouldn't that be the sensible thing to do?

I blame that on hysteria and the trauma of being a kidnapped victim. She wised up at the end, though.

[Nate Grey]

In Freddy vs Jason they injected him with enough tranquilizers to kill a Rhino. Heroin wouldnt be shit.

That scene when he woke up, though...one of my favorites out the whole movie.

[Andreas Tanis]

In Freddy vs Jason they injected him with enough tranquilizers to kill a Rhino. Heroin wouldnt be shit.

No, I mean he'd give up killing to get high. Imagine him sitting in the corner of a room with heroin needles all around the room.

Friday the 13th: Jason Gets High

Oh & I don't think this version is more killable opposed to the other version, as in the second movie, Jason was momentarily stopped many times. It took being stabbed with his own machete to temporarily knock out Jason.

Btw, she didn't really wise up, all she did was piss Jason off, hence his return at the end. I mean, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't have been waiting around that long. I'd have dumped the body and ran like hell to another state.

[kmeyers]

No, I mean he'd give up killing to get high. Imagine him sitting in the corner of a room with heroin needles all around the room.

Friday the 13th: Jason Gets High

Oh & I don't think this version is more killable opposed to the other version, as in the second movie, Jason was momentarily stopped many times. It took being stabbed with his own machete to temporarily knock out Jason.

Btw, she didn't really wise up, all she did was piss Jason off, hence his return at the end. I mean, if I were in that situation, I wouldn't have been waiting around that long. I'd have dumped the body and ran like hell to another state.
hahaha! Ran like hell to another COUNTRY!

Heh, Jason as a drug addict is interesting, but eventually he's going to come out of it...and the Crystal Lake campers are screwed again.

[Andreas Tanis]

Lol, imagine how hilarious a movie like that would be, but yeah, he'd probably start seeing visions of his mom telling him to kill more people, and they'd be in for it big time.

Getting back to Halloween, Zombie says that Michael is supposed to be much more vicious than before this time around. I hope he sticks to that, I'd love to see him still be a phantom type character, but still be one vicious mofo at the same time.

[kmeyers]

Lol, imagine how hilarious a movie like that would be, but yeah, he'd probably start seeing visions of his mom telling him to kill more people, and they'd be in for it big time.

Getting back to Halloween, Zombie says that Michael is supposed to be much more vicious than before this time around. I hope he sticks to that, I'd love to see him still be a phantom type character, but still be one vicious mofo at the same time.

Im not sure when he hasn't been vicious. Having a giant knife as your weapon of choice is pretty brutal.

[Andreas Tanis]

I guess he intends to make him even more brutal. I posted earlier in the thread a little article where this one particular lady states he bursts in the emergency room where Laurie is and starts knocking off everyone in his path. That's going to be one hell of a scene.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i liked the first 30 minutes, but after that it kinda fell apart for me.

[Indigo Al]

For all this "force of nature" talk, what did folks think of Halloween 6? You know, the one that said he was reallythe avatar for the celtic god of death Thorne and how they tied him into an ancient celtic legend/curse? That doesn't seem like a force of nature, that seems very specific in fact.

I obviously didn't really care for it, but it also didn't bother me in Halloween 6. I can watch Halloween 6 as its own thing, without letting it ruin my enjoyment of the others in the franchise.

As for F13 - I loved the epic part 7, where Jason throws down with Telekinetic Tina!

[Andreas Tanis]

I'm about to watch that movie right now, I loved the fight with Tina, it was awesome. We need to see something like that with Michael in a future movie.

[kmeyers]

I'm about to watch that movie right now, I loved the fight with Tina, it was awesome. We need to see something like that with Michael in a future movie.

Jason VS Freddy VS Michael VS Pin Head. = awesome.

[Andreas Tanis]

Never been a big fan of Pin Head but if he could be included, and they could make it awesome without cramming them all together, it could be quite cool. However, one idea I came across would be starting off with Freddy vs. Jason after the new Freddy franchise is established, then do a Freddy vs. Jason vs. Michael, and keep adding characters, or main players as they go along with the franchise.

[Andreas Tanis]

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Exclusive: The Shape of H2
IGN visits the set of Rob Zombie's Halloween sequel.
by Scott Collura

SPOILER WARNING: If you've yet to see Rob Zombie's first Halloween film, or simply want to go completely fresh into the second, tread carefully through the following piece. Spoilers away like psycho killers with carving knives...

"That is some Judas Priest shit there!"

Rob Zombie is clearly excited. He's framing a shot this evening out in rural Georgia -- we're near Madison, as far as this reporter can tell, where farmhouses and cows and full moons are in abundance. And where some creepy, Judas Priest s#!t is indeed taking place.

The filmmaker who made his mark with the grueling hits House of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects is at it again, shooting H2, the sequel to his 2007 remake of John Carpenter's classic slasher Halloween. But it became clear as soon as we arrived on location that this film has very little if anything to do with Halloween II, the original Michael Myers sequel from 1981.

For one thing, ghosts seem to haunt this Michael, who is once again played by former wrestler Tyler Mane. The scene that's getting Zombie all worked up tonight might seem to be a standard Michael Myers set-up at first -- the masked madman is pursuing his sister/victim Laurie Strode (Scout Taylor-Compton) through a moonlit field, butcher knife in hand, at his typically steady and determined walking-speed clip.

But in addition to Myers and Laurie, there are two other characters in this scene: Michael's mom from the first film, Deborah Myers (played once again by Zombie's wife Sheri Moon), and the young, blonde-haired, clown-costume-clad Michael himself (recast since the first film because actor Daeg Faerch has outgrown the role, literally).

Moon's character died in Halloween, and she's apparently some kind of ghost or apparition or extension of Michael's mind here. She stands in the field, dressed in a flowing white dress (a bridal gown?), as Michael and Laurie chase past her. In between takes, Moon is freezing in the thin dress -- and really, really scared of snakes, it seems -- but when the camera is rolling, she's an eerie, ethereal presence standing off in the distance like that.

The mini-Michael, meanwhile, wearing his trademark clown suit, stands at the entrance to the field as the adult Michael and Laurie pass by. He then slowly turns and follows them, seemingly serving, along with Moon, as some kind of silent, frightening Greek chorus for Myers. Which Shakespeare play was it again that had the scene where the horny teen got pinned to the wall with a knife?

The sequence is all the creepier for those observing behind the camera, for when Mane isn't in the shot he's standing there next to us -- all six-feet nine inches of him -- quietly observing. Plus, the unit publicist has already stated that Mane is not to be interviewed tonight, which adds another element of menace to the quiet giant. And the new look that Myers is sporting for this film is also disconcerting -- he seems to have the same jumpsuit thing that we all know and love, but he's also wearing a vest of some kind that's reminiscent of Boris Karloff's wooly number from Son of Frankenstein. And he's wearing a hood, which throws shadows over his darkened, decrepit, busted-up mask. Oh, and yes, he has a mountain-man beard too.

Of course, the creepiness of it all is dispelled a few minutes later when, between takes, the young actor playing kid-Michael is spotted in a tent doing his homework (still in his clown outfit, natch). Or when Moon suddenly screams and runs away after a field mouse (which she refers to as a rat) is spotted scurrying about.

So all in all, it's good times on the set of H2. But as Zombie explains after wrapping for the night, there's no one more surprised than him that he's back to do another Halloween film.

"Truthfully, after I did the last one, I was like, 'I don't want to do another one. I don't care. I don't ever want to hear the words Michael Myers again,'" he says. "I was so over it because of getting burnt out at the end of it all. And then after having gotten away from it for a year or so, you know, you come back to normal."

Zombie laughs as he says "normal" -- what is normal for Rob Zombie anyway? But his point is well taken. After all the hype and expectations -- and ultimately for most, the letdown -- of the first film, who would want to jump back into that serial-killer cauldron? But that's when it occurred to him that H2 was a very different beast from Halloween.

"I just realized that the great thing about doing this one is, with the last one there was some sense of retaining some John Carpenter-ness about it all," he explains. "And now it didn't matter. This movie is 100 percent whatever I want to do. And we never discussed Halloween or Michael Myers or anything. In fact, every time we do something we go, 'This doesn't seem [like Halloween].' We can do whatever we want and it's very freeing. And I think it's making for a much better movie because we're not trying to do what anyone is expecting at all. In fact, we're trying to do the exact opposite at all times -- exactly what people aren't expecting. You figure with a character like this, this time I really wanted to reinvent him. Because what is this? The 2,000th film, I mean with all the sequels and stuff? So that was the main thing."

That liberating aspect of the filmmaking process is on display this night. Not only does Zombie seem to shoot fast -- if his methods on display here are any indication, he doesn't go for too many takes, but rather manages to get a lot of set-ups accomplished quickly -- he also exhibits a willingness to wing it. For example, an ill-fated deputy is scheduled to meet his end this evening out in front of Brad Dourif's Sheriff Brackett's house. Seemingly on the spot, Zombie decides to stage a fairly elaborate shot that involves Myers, a tree, some rope, and the doomed deputy. And also those ghostly versions of Mama Myers and Baby Myers.

"We have the script, which of course we shoot," he says. "But within that… Scripts are funny, because I feel like to me they're just a blueprint. Once you get in there and you start working, scenes start going in different directions. Certain characters you thought were important fall away [and] ones you thought weren't so important rise up and have more significance, so you have to be ready everyday to like twist the next scene. Because you go, 'Well, we ended that scene here, so now this one doesn't feel right.' So it's always changing everyday. If we just stuck to the script it would feel really wrong. That's what's great about it. I'm always filming scenes constantly that aren't in the script that I feel like we now need. And that was one of them [with the deputy]. That scene didn't exist but we had a moment where that deputy comes to the house, and we had the aftermath, and I was like, 'Well, we really need something in the middle.'"

The film starts off moments after the first one left off, with Strode bloodied and screaming after having just shot her brother Michael in the head. From what we could gather on set, the scene soon segues to about two years after those events and details what it would be like for Strode to have to deal with the aftermath of such a horrific experience. It's unclear exactly how Michael managed to survive the events of part one, but the director does say that there's definitely no otherworldly explanation. (So they're not ghosts then?)

"There's no supernatural aspect," says Zombie. "I never wanted to have that at all. I'm not really interested in making… people [are like], 'Is it scary?' I didn't really want it to be scary in that sense. I didn't achieve it with the last one as much but it is happening on this one more so because of the locations and how the approach is just… I want it to seem so real that it's not like you jump, 'Oh, I'm scared,' [but instead that] it's like completely unnerving all the way through until it just becomes horrible to watch. That when you kill a character or somebody dies it's horrible and it's drawn out and you really feel something, not just say, 'Oh, somebody's dead.' That's what's good about this one. There's fewer characters, and the main thing I like about coming back to this is we don't have to establish who these people are. We know who they are and we can now really expand on their characters. Sequels mostly are just the same beats hit again, but when they're not, you can go:

"...'Wow, we didn't know these characters. Now we can really get into something with them. We don't have to just go through the broad strokes of introducing them.' That's why it's nice."

[Andreas Tanis]

Continuing......


One of the complaints that many fans had regarding the first Zombie Halloween was that it focused too much on the early life of Michael and took too long to get to the actual "remake" part of the story. The filmmaker acknowledges that the film was schizophrenic in that way.

"The last one we did set the template of the world," he says. "'Here's our people.' But there was too much information I was trying to jam into one movie. Really the first movie would've been better suited if it was just young Michael. Because it felt like two movies. I originally conceived it as two movies and I tried to pitch it as two movies, but they didn't want to do that. So it sort of became two movies jammed together. And it sort of felt like that. Halfway through the movie it switches to like another movie, whereas now it didn't have to be that way."

In fact, Zombie confesses that H2 is as much if not more about the Strode character as it is about Michael.

"What I struggled with for so long before I started was if you're going to make a movie about Laurie Strode, what [are] really the effects if that was real?" he says. "If one day you woke up in the hospital and I go, 'Oh, by the way, someone murdered your parents last night, and all of your friends, and the murderer is your brother.' Like what would the psychological ramifications of that be? Because usually they just go like, 'Oh, O.K., it's six months later and she's kind of back to normal.' So that's why I jumped ahead two years later and Laurie Strode comes into the movie and she's just a wreck. She's like a totally damaged, f*@ked-up person, and starts low and sinks lower through the whole movie. What I found interesting about it was the final frames of the last one where you feel like she's snapped. And you know, she's related to Michael Myers so I figured like, 'O.K., she's got that same gene.' And you see her start unraveling and losing her mind throughout the whole movie;
And that's what I thought was interesting. That's really what it's about more than anything else."

It's somewhat surprising, if refreshing, to hear a name talent be so honest about what he thinks went wrong with a previous project. But Zombie is pretty forthcoming about what he perceives as the faults of Halloween.

"That's when I finally became interested," he says. "I was bored with the character of Laurie Strode until she was covered in blood, screaming. I go, 'Now that's a character I would like to make a movie about. She suddenly became interesting.' That was the part of Halloween that I struggled with because I'm not really interested in making movies about characters that are clean, nice people living in a clean, nice world. I just don't find that interesting. And that's what the second half of that movie was, where it was sort of John Carpenter-ish Land. I don't have any of that in this movie."

Just thought I'd post some new info for you guys, as well as this pic that shows off Mane's awesome beard and confirms the return of Danielle Harris:

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/mane-harris.jpg

[StoneGold]

Jason VS Freddy VS Michael VS Pin Head. = awesome.

You left out Chucky and Leatherface. Granted, Leatherface is kind of odd-man out there, having never been saddled with a mystical connection. But hey, beats Pumpkinhead or Candyman, y'know?


That said, Pinhead is kind of a tough one, doesn't really fit the format. I'd say Jason, Freddy, Michael and Chucky. Versus Ash. WOO!

[Nate Grey]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Pinhead vs Candyman film, actually.

[nervmeister]

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/mane-harris.jpgTyler Mane actually looks creepier without the mask.

[Legato]

Tyler Mane actually looks creepier without the mask.

For real..

[Murrocko]

Alan Moore?

[Andreas Tanis]

I think the beard is what makes him look creepy, but I say beards f@#%ing rule.

Danielle is looking as hot as ever, I must add.

[kmeyers]

I think the beard is what makes him look creepy, but I say beards f@#%ing rule.
.
For me, the creepiness has more to do with his "crazy eyes." But the beard isn't hurting the creepiness, either.

[Andreas Tanis]

That's the one thing I really liked about Tyler, he had those crazy eyes in the film, and you could really see it such as in scenes when he first found the mask and heard Laurie outside. The fact that his eyes could convey so much emotion is what really helped his performance.

[Legato]

That was the original intention for the Halloween franchise - a completely new story for every release. An idea I fully support.

To meet you half way if Zombie were going to do to Halloween III what the original Halloween three did I would atleast want Zombie's new story to be more interesting and scary than the other one.

But that would all depend on the success of his sequel.

I still feel that if a part three were to happen Zombie would still use Myers.

[Andreas Tanis]

Which would be completely smart and reasonable, rather than trying to pass off an idea completely unrelated to Halloween just to make big bucks. I, too, fully support Zombie doing something completely new with each movie.

[nervmeister]

That's the one thing I really liked about Tyler, he had those crazy eyes in the film, and you could really see it such as in scenes when he first found the mask and heard Laurie outside. The fact that his eyes could convey so much emotion is what really helped his performance.Agreed wholeheartedly. Not even the original Michael Myers could convey that much creepiness without the aid of the mask.

[Guy1]

To meet you half way if Zombie were going to do to Halloween III what the original Halloween three did I would atleast want Zombie's new story to be more interesting and scary than the other one.

But that would all depend on the success of his sequel.

I still feel that if a part three were to happen Zombie would still use Myers.

Which would be completely smart and reasonable, rather than trying to pass off an idea completely unrelated to Halloween just to make big bucks. I, too, fully support Zombie doing something completely new with each movie.

I watched Halloween 3 awhile back, and I thought it was an okay movie. You just have to think of it as a movie that is not related to the Halloween series, and it's all good.

[kmeyers]

To meet you half way if Zombie were going to do to Halloween III what the original Halloween three did I would atleast want Zombie's new story to be more interesting and scary than the other one.

But that would all depend on the success of his sequel.

I still feel that if a part three were to happen Zombie would still use Myers.

I just will never understand why someone would do a Halloween movie without Michael Myers.

Do the story, even have it happen on Halloween, fine. But call it what it is...something else.

Random thought...It would pretty be cool for Zombie to include the Misfits song "Halloween" on the soundtrack for his second movie.

[Andreas Tanis]

That's exactly my thoughts on it. I've never seen the original H3, but from what I've heard it's an awesome movie in general, but doesn't work too well as an actual Michael Myers movie. You can't have characters like Michael Myers, Jason, or Freddy absent, unless in Jason's case it's the origin with his mother killing. Other than that, these three should always be present in the film. They are the main attraction, afterall.

[Andreas Tanis]

I was just thinking: Am I the only one a little tired of the whole "if you have sex or do drugs you have to die" type of thinking towards these movies? I'd love to see a character who isn't a douche do one of the two and still survive.

In fact, I'm mostly just hoping for a completely nude Scout.

[Andreas Tanis]

New Official Picture:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/newmask.jpg

[hoffmandu]

I watched Halloween 3 awhile back, and I thought it was an okay movie. You just have to think of it as a movie that is not related to the Halloween series, and it's all good.

I think H3's biggest fault was that it trying to be Carpenter Halloween scary, slasher MM scary. If you're taking a different direction then do just that. It's like it tried to warp the style into the script and it just didn't work.

On a positive note, I really liked the story. It was oddball, like way oddball, and I'd like to see someone give it another go.

I mean, come on, a toy maker gone mad, using pieces of stone henge to make robots..........and the masks!?! I'll admit, it's been a while since my last viewing.

[Andreas Tanis]

Ahem....*points to new picture*...:wink:

[The Joker]

New Official Picture:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/newmask.jpg
Nice image. Works for me. Looking forward to this one.

Yes indeedy do.

[Andreas Tanis]

I hear that he eventually gets a new mask in the film. If that's the case, it'll be awesome considering a regular mask can only take so much damage.

[Andreas Tanis]

New Pic

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/mask2.jpg

Other Pics:

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/margotscout.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/maskscout.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/laurie-1.jpg

[Andreas Tanis]

At long last....a picture of Hooded Michael

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/mike.jpg

[hoffmandu]

At long last....a picture of Hooded Michael

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/mike.jpg

Myers in a hoodie...........oddly still scary as shit.

[Andreas Tanis]

When I first heard about it, I was excited but scared how it'd turn out. After seeing the pics and the trailer, my fears have safely been put to rest, no doubt about it. I can't wait to see this movie.

[DLKern63]

http://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/h2walking.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://blogs.amctv.com/horror-hacker/interview_tyler_hanes_300.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://i41.tinypic.com/15y9qbr.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://i40.tinypic.com/34dopk9.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/chase.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/giant.jpg

[DLKern63]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/myers-new-mask.jpg

[Legato]

I was just thinking: Am I the only one a little tired of the whole "if you have sex or do drugs you have to die" type of thinking towards these movies? I'd love to see a character who isn't a douche do one of the two and still survive.

In fact, I'm mostly just hoping for a completely nude Scout.

I tend to find the whole innocent virgins are the only ones that has a chance at living to be pretty boring myself. That and the friday the 13th remake, while surprisingly good, disappointed me on the number of jerks and bland characters, with the exception of Clay and his sister, that was on the film. Seriously how could you cheer for either of them to live?

Clay was the only character in that whole Friday The 13th remake that I gave a damn about when it came to surviving against Jason.

Hopefully Zombie would bring in some interesting victims in the sequel that doesn't follow the typical horror victim stereotype

[Andreas Tanis]

I think he will bring a new flavor to the series as a whole, and a new breath of life to the character of Michael Myers. Hopefully Annie (Danielle Harris) survives, I really liked her character. Btw, some of those pictures are ones I already posted.

[kmeyers]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s18/maninblack2007/myers-new-mask.jpg

I really don't like this pic at all, unless they throw some makeup on the flesh underneath the mask to show that it's as worn out looking as the mask looks.

[Andreas Tanis]

Honestly, I don't think he needs any sort of make up on. He looks fine as is in my opinion.

[Dennis K]

I really don't like this pic at all, unless they throw some makeup on the flesh underneath the mask to show that it's as worn out looking as the mask looks.



All I know is that if I were to see homeless Michael coming towards me I would get the hell out of his way

[Legato]

I think he will bring a new flavor to the series as a whole, and a new breath of life to the character of Michael Myers. Hopefully Annie (Danielle Harris) survives, I really liked her character. Btw, some of those pictures are ones I already posted.

IDK. She looked pretty dead but atleast she managed to last longer than the other victims. Also her running topless was a nice touch

[Spidey-kid1]

You left out Chucky and Leatherface. Granted, Leatherface is kind of odd-man out there, having never been saddled with a mystical connection. But hey, beats Pumpkinhead or Candyman, y'know?


That said, Pinhead is kind of a tough one, doesn't really fit the format. I'd say Jason, Freddy, Michael and Chucky. Versus Ash. WOO!

I myself want the Creeper to appear. A Jason vs Creeper fight would be interesting.

http://content2.myyearbook.com/zenhex/images/quiz8/37395/37395_res6.jpg

[Andreas Tanis]

IDK. She looked pretty dead but atleast she managed to last longer than the other victims. Also her running topless was a nice touch

She's not dead, she appears in the trailer and is running from Michael. I was referring to wanting her to survive this time around as well. It's said that because of her experience with Michael she doesn't leave the house much. I was thinking this meant she could survive but after seeing the trailer I'm not so sure.

[Dennis K]

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr226/zombiezombie/hospital.jpg

[Pól Rua]

Michael Myers is a force of nature, Pure EVIL incarnate.

Who drives a car around the suburbs, is smaller than most of his victims and has difficulty in murdering a girl he's surprised from behind.

After watching the RZ remake, I re-watched the original and it hasn't aged well.

[Pól Rua]

Look, I'm not saying I wanted an exact copy of the original movie, and I have never said that. In fact it's not a bad horror movie about a serial killer. It's just a terrible Michael Myers movie.

Is it so hard to believe that I hated the new direction he took the Michael Myers character in? Yeah I get that it's "his take" on the character, but I happen to think "his take" on the character was generic and totally sucked. Seriously, look at the profile for a serial killer and you'll see exactly what he made Mikey into.

Torturing and killing animals-check
Broken home/messed up home life-check
Bullied in school-check.

Unoriginal and lame explanation for a character like Michael Myers.

As opposed to 'he's just like that'? hrm.

[kmeyers]

As opposed to 'he's just like that'? hrm.

That's better than the generic serial killer profile. It's like when they decided to give Wolverine an origin. It ruins the mystique.

[The Zapper]

As opposed to 'he's just like that'? hrm.

I much preferred that over the remake. Just a matter of taste I suppose.

[Jelloshots]

The individuals who complain about RZ remake would not have been happy with anything. They are impossible and would have complained no matter what was done with the film.

They complain about Myers being a generic serial killer, but they would have complained and found reasons to hate the remake no matter what was done.

RZ - " ok, how about we don't explain his past and have it be like in the original"

Complainers - "YARRRGGG, nooooo, that's just like the original, we want to know about his past YARRRRRGGG, we want something new YAARRRRRGG."

RZ - "ok, how about we make him kinda supernatural."

Complainers - "YAAARRRRGGG nooooo, we have supernatural killers like freddy and Jason, YAARRRRGGG we want a serial killer dude without powers YYAARRRRRGGG."

RZ -"ok, how about we.....

Complainers -" YYAAARRRGG nooooo...."

[Legato]

The individuals who complain about RZ remake would not have been happy with anything. They are impossible and would have complained no matter what was done with the film.

They complain about Myers being a generic serial killer, but they would have complained and found reasons to hate the remake no matter what was done.

RZ - " ok, how about we don't explain his past and have it be like in the original"

Complainers - "YARRRGGG, nooooo, that's just like the original, we want to know about his past YARRRRRGGG, we want something new YAARRRRRGG."

RZ - "ok, how about we make him kinda supernatural."

Complainers - "YAAARRRRGGG nooooo, we have supernatural killers like freddy and Jason, YAARRRRGGG we want a serial killer dude without powers YYAARRRRRGGG."

RZ -"ok, how about we.....

Complainers -" YYAAARRRGG nooooo...."

Everyone else to the complainers: "For the love of God just accept it is different and let it go already!!!!"

[kmeyers]

The individuals who complain about RZ remake would not have been happy with anything. They are impossible and would have complained no matter what was done with the film.

They complain about Myers being a generic serial killer, but they would have complained and found reasons to hate the remake no matter what was done.

RZ - " ok, how about we don't explain his past and have it be like in the original"

Complainers - "YARRRGGG, nooooo, that's just like the original, we want to know about his past YARRRRRGGG, we want something new YAARRRRRGG."

RZ - "ok, how about we make him kinda supernatural."

Complainers - "YAAARRRRGGG nooooo, we have supernatural killers like freddy and Jason, YAARRRRGGG we want a serial killer dude without powers YYAARRRRRGGG."

RZ -"ok, how about we.....

Complainers -" YYAAARRRGG nooooo...."

Hey, thanks for trying to read my mind, but you're wrong. I would have been perfectly fine with something original.

And as for him being a "serial killer without powers," there's something going on with Michael Myers. I don't know too many normal people who get stabbed, electrocuted, burned, shot multiple times, and even in the face but keep coming after you.

[Jelloshots]

Hey, thanks for trying to read my mind, but you're wrong. I would have been perfectly fine with something original.

and original is what you got, "YAARRRGG"

I don't know too many normal people who get stabbed, electrocuted, burned, shot multiple times, and even in the face but keep coming after you.

You don't watch to many movies. It's a movie, if such stabbing and shooting didn't happen the "YAARRRGG" factor would start for him being killed by stubbing his toe.

[kmeyers]

and original is what you got, "YAARRRGG"
First of all, I've never gotten YAAARRRGG angry about the difference. I just pointed out that I really didn't like it, and thought it was completely unoriginal,
which it was.

Taking the basic serial killer profile, and lazily applying it to the Michael Myers character is not original at all.

You don't watch to many movies. It's a movie, if such stabbing and shooting didn't happen the "YAARRRGG" factor would start for him being killed by stubbing his toe.
Ok, at this point, I'm not even sure what this YAARRRGG factor is. And if you don't think I watch many movies, you obviously don't know me.

I was just addressing your point that people would complain if he was a supernatural force, and I replied saying, he kind of is already, since no normal human being can take that kind of punishment and still keep coming after you.

[Legato]

First of all, I've never gotten YAAARRRGG angry about the difference. I just pointed out that I really didn't like it, and thought it was completely unoriginal,
which it was.

Taking the basic serial killer profile, and lazily applying it to the Michael Myers character is not original at all.


Ok, at this point, I'm not even sure what this YAARRRGG factor is. And if you don't think I watch many movies, you obviously don't know me.

I was just addressing your point that people would complain if he was a supernatural force, and I replied saying, he kind of is already, since no normal human being can take that kind of punishment and still keep coming after you.


Dude you are clearly beating a dead horse on this argument. You dont like the new Halloween, thats fine, and it is fine that the others like the new Halloween. Just accept that and let this argument go.

[4thHorseman]

Dude you are clearly beating a dead horse on this argument. You dont like the new Halloween, thats fine, and it is fine that the others like the new Halloween. Just accept that and let this argument go.

But people need something to do to pass the time until they go see the sequel of the movie they hated.:biggrin:

[Jelloshots]

Dude you are clearly beating a dead horse on this argument. You dont like the new Halloween, thats fine, and it is fine that the others like the new Halloween. Just accept that and let this argument go.

Until the next Halloween movie is out

[kmeyers]

Dude you are clearly beating a dead horse on this argument. You dont like the new Halloween, thats fine, and it is fine that the others like the new Halloween. Just accept that and let this argument go.

Pol quoted me and asked a question, I answered it. Then Jelloshots attempted to read my mind and assume I would have hated it no matter what, which isn't true at all.

I didn't like the remake at all, I thought it was a decent generic serial killer movie, but not a good Michael Myers movie. And I gave several reasons why I felt that way. I would hope that's better than me just saying something like..."I hated the movie it suxxored!!"

[Legato]

Pol quoted me and asked a question, I answered it. Then Jelloshots attempted to read my mind and assume I would have hated it no matter what, which isn't true at all.

I didn't like the remake at all, I thought it was a decent generic serial killer movie, but not a good Michael Myers movie. And I gave several reasons why I felt that way. I would hope that's better than me just saying something like..."I hated the movie it suxxored!!"

I understand that and atleast you are not calling names to the poster you have a dissagreement with. Im not really keen on how they did the origin story either, let alone making Myers a redneck, but hey this is Zombie's version and if that is how he should go by it then thats fine, atleast I have Carpenters Halloween to look back on

[Royal]

I watched Halloween 3 awhile back, and I thought it was an okay movie. You just have to think of it as a movie that is not related to the Halloween series, and it's all good.

uuummm....it is part of the Halloween series. It was ment to be an anthology series.

[Andreas Tanis]

I understand that and atleast you are not calling names to the poster you have a dissagreement with. Im not really keen on how they did the origin story either, let alone making Myers a redneck, but hey this is Zombie's version and if that is how he should go by it then thats fine, atleast I have Carpenters Halloween to look back on

Erm? How exactly is Myers a redneck? Because he has a beard and looks gruffy? I highly doubt if someone like Michael existed in real life he'd care how the hell he looks, which means no shaving or anything of the sorts.

[Dennis K]

That's better than the generic serial killer profile. It's like when they decided to give Wolverine an origin. It ruins the mystique.


There was no mystique left to Michael Myers; that had been eliminated in Halloween 4-6. H20 managed to bring back some dignity to the series, but that was killed again by Halloween: Resurrection.

I was one of those that was up in arms when it was announced that Rob Zombie was doing a remake/prequel to Halloween, but once I calmed down and took a deep breath I realized that there was nothing that could take away from how how I loved John Carpenter's original. Once I let go of my irrational hatred of the idea of a Rob Zombie Halloween movie I was actually able to go in and watch it with an open mind. Not only that, I went with somebody who had never seen the original until the week before RZH came out and I was shocked by how much I actually enjoyed Rob Zombie's version. My fiance actually enjoyed it more than John Carpenter's movie as she felt the whole "he just turned evil for no reason" was complete bullsh*t and a waste of time. While I wouldn't go that far, I enjoyed seeing how Michael became the way he did; I thought Daeg Faerch did a great job as a 10 year old Michael Myers. I actually have a lot of respect for Rob Zombie now for having the courage to follow his own vision and not succumb to fanboys like myself. I still have some complaints with his movie (unlikeable characters, the second half of the movie feeling rushed), but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has in store with H2, and not feeling constrainted by the original Halloween II (which pretty much sucked).

[Indigo Al]

There was no mystique left to Michael Myers; that had been eliminated in Halloween 4-6. H20 managed to bring back some dignity to the series, but that was killed again by Halloween: Resurrection.

I was one of those that was up in arms when it was announced that Rob Zombie was doing a remake/prequel to Halloween, but once I calmed down and took a deep breath I realized that there was nothing that could take away from how how I loved John Carpenter's original. Once I let go of my irrational hatred of the idea of a Rob Zombie Halloween movie I was actually able to go in and watch it with an open mind. Not only that, I went with somebody who had never seen the original until the week before RZH came out and I was shocked by how much I actually enjoyed Rob Zombie's version. My fiance actually enjoyed it more than John Carpenter's movie as she felt the whole "he just turned evil for no reason" was complete bullsh*t and a waste of time. While I wouldn't go that far, I enjoyed seeing how Michael became the way he did; I thought Daeg Faerch did a great job as a 10 year old Michael Myers. I actually have a lot of respect for Rob Zombie now for having the courage to follow his own vision and not succumb to fanboys like myself. I still have some complaints with his movie (unlikeable characters, the second half of the movie feeling rushed), but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has in store with H2, and not feeling constrainted by the original Halloween II (which pretty much sucked).

I'll agree with what you've said here, and I respect the fact that Carpenter told Zombie to run with it and make his own movie. RZ's Halloween is still inferior, but maybe Halloween II will be a more enjoyable film (although i had no prob with H2 v.1)

[Legato]

I'll agree with what you've said here, and I respect the fact that Carpenter told Zombie to run with it and make his own movie. RZ's Halloween is still inferior, but maybe Halloween II will be a more enjoyable film (although i had no prob with H2 v.1)

I still hold out hope that RZ's Halloween III will be superior than the other Halloween III. Even if Zombie does make it like a anthology and not use Michale like the other one did I still would like for it to be more scary than Part III.

[hoffmandu]

Erm? How exactly is Myers a redneck? Because he has a beard and looks gruffy? I highly doubt if someone like Michael existed in real life he'd care how the hell he looks, which means no shaving or anything of the sorts.

I think he means white trash.......that's a better way to put it. He comes from white trash. Tages can relate.......ziiiiiiiiing. jk, Tages, just haven't taken a shot for a while.

[Dennis K]

http://shocktillyoudrop.com/nextraimages/halloween2poster.jpg


New one sheet, not supposed to be the actual movie poster

[ZombieHavoc]

Halloween 3 is great.

Tom Atkins owns you all.

[hoffmandu]

Halloween 3 is great.

Tom Atkins owns you all.

Agreed. He was twice as awesome in Night of the Creeps to boot.

[Dennis K]

I hope you guys are kidding about Halloween III

[Indigo Al]

I hope you guys are kidding about Halloween III

Halloween III is a great bad movie. A hilarious good time, and although bad, it is very original. I don't necessarily want a remake, but how about a "sequel"? The revenants of the Silver Shamrock children come back for revenge! Silver Shamrock: Halloween urban legend or real???

[Dennis K]

Halloween III is a great bad movie. A hilarious good time, and although bad, it is very original. I don't necessarily want a remake, but how about a "sequel"? The revenants of the Silver Shamrock children come back for revenge! Silver Shamrock: Halloween urban legend or real???


Okay, I guess we just differ on what a "great bad movie" is. For me Independance Day is a great bad movie.

[Dennis K]

The one thing that I really don't like about the trailer for the movie is the pentagram and 666 on what appears to be the back of a bathroom door. It just strikes me as REALLY cheesy and stupid (which might seem redundant to some regarding horror movies in general)

[Indigo Al]

The one thing that I really don't like about the trailer for the movie is the pentagram and 666 on what appears to be the back of a bathroom door. It just strikes me as REALLY cheesy and stupid (which might seem redundant to some regarding horror movies in general)

Hopefully that won't be a plot point other than Halloween graffiti by some kids...

[Dennis K]

Hopefully that won't be a plot point other than Halloween graffiti by some kids...


I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're right.

[hoffmandu]

Hopefully that won't be a plot point other than Halloween graffiti by some kids...

Myers rubbernecking while pulling a spraycan out of his backpack..............

[Dennis K]

I've heard that there is an official movie poster coming out soon. I kind of liked the one-sheet, but I know a lot of people think it sucks.

[mgs]

I find it amazing that this franchise is still going...

O.o

[Dennis K]

I find it amazing that this franchise is still going...

O.o


Why is that?

[Andreas Tanis]

Yeah, I want to know why it's so amazing this franchise is sitll going. It's not as if it's spawned a bunch of horrible movies. In fact, I'd say the only horrible Halloween movie period is "Halloween Resurrection".

[Winterwolf]

There was no mystique left to Michael Myers; that had been eliminated in Halloween 4-6. H20 managed to bring back some dignity to the series, but that was killed again by Halloween: Resurrection.

I was one of those that was up in arms when it was announced that Rob Zombie was doing a remake/prequel to Halloween, but once I calmed down and took a deep breath I realized that there was nothing that could take away from how how I loved John Carpenter's original. Once I let go of my irrational hatred of the idea of a Rob Zombie Halloween movie I was actually able to go in and watch it with an open mind. Not only that, I went with somebody who had never seen the original until the week before RZH came out and I was shocked by how much I actually enjoyed Rob Zombie's version. My fiance actually enjoyed it more than John Carpenter's movie as she felt the whole "he just turned evil for no reason" was complete bullsh*t and a waste of time. While I wouldn't go that far, I enjoyed seeing how Michael became the way he did; I thought Daeg Faerch did a great job as a 10 year old Michael Myers. I actually have a lot of respect for Rob Zombie now for having the courage to follow his own vision and not succumb to fanboys like myself. I still have some complaints with his movie (unlikeable characters, the second half of the movie feeling rushed), but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has in store with H2, and not feeling constrainted by the original Halloween II (which pretty much sucked).


I was in the same boat. I was a big Halloween (Slasher flicks in general really) fan. I was really pissed about a remake when I heard about it.

When I first saw the movie I was a bit disappointed, not pissed or angry mind you, but still didn't dig the movie to much.

After a few months I happened to see it again, this time with no Hype, no fan boys heads exploding with hate. I sat down and watched it with no expectations.

I really, really enjoyed it then, I see WHY Rob changed and kept what he did. I look forward to the sequal. I think people just get to caught up in the "I liked it", "I HATE IT!!!!" war that never seems to go away.

[Andreas Tanis]

Agreed, and some of the people that hate it don't have a strong reason for thinking that way. I don't think the movie was ever as bad as people made it out to be. Lots of people were expecting a remake that was exactly like the original to which there'd have been no point seeing as copying a movie shot for shot with different actors is, for all intents and purposes, pointless.

[Legato]

I was in the same boat. I was a big Halloween (Slasher flicks in general really) fan. I was really pissed about a remake when I heard about it.

When I first saw the movie I was a bit disappointed, not pissed or angry mind you, but still didn't dig the movie to much.

After a few months I happened to see it again, this time with no Hype, no fan boys heads exploding with hate. I sat down and watched it with no expectations.

I really, really enjoyed it then, I see WHY Rob changed and kept what he did. I look forward to the sequal. I think people just get to caught up in the "I liked it", "I HATE IT!!!!" war that never seems to go away.


The same thing happend to me. Rob Zombie's Halloween, to me, is one of those movies whare it starts to get better after a second viewing.

I wouldn;t say it is one of the best Halloween movies but I dont say it is as bad as Ressurrection.

[Winterwolf]

No no it wasn't the best Halloween movie, but it was still a solid and enjoyable horror film. Something I can't say I see often in any movie I've seen recently.

No were near as bad as that god awful Ressurection movie, and I'd say far better than 5,6. Maybe on par with H20?

I honestly think this sequal will be a bit better than the last simply because we won't have to tell the backstory that turned off so many people.

It'll be more like your "typical" Halloween flick I'd wager. Which if done right, can be an excellent movie experience.

Hell...Devils Rejects was a much better film on all levels than House of 1,000 corpses. Maybe Zombie has a thing for sequals?

[Legato]

No no it wasn't the best Halloween movie, but it was still a solid and enjoyable horror film. Something I can't say I see often in any movie I've seen recently.

No were near as bad as that god awful Ressurection movie, and I'd say far better than 5,6. Maybe on par with H20?

I honestly think this sequal will be a bit better than the last simply because we won't have to tell the backstory that turned off so many people.

It'll be more like your "typical" Halloween flick I'd wager. Which if done right, can be an excellent movie experience.

Hell...Devils Rejects was a much better film on all levels than House of 1,000 corpses. Maybe Zombie has a thing for sequals?

1,000 Corpses wasn't that impressive to me. Not bad but not great either, however Devils Rejects was a improvement on it.

If this sequal succeeds then dont expect Halloween III to be like the original Halloween III. Zombie stated that he wanted his Halloween to be unique and not just a remake that is copying off of Caprenter's Halloween. However if Zombie make his version of Halloween III a anthology kind of movie I still hope that it will be better and scarier than the original Halloween III

Mostly Im just curious on if Zombie's Halloween III will involve Myers in it or not.

[Andreas Tanis]

Well, he should include Michael in H3 because if he doesn't he's basically following in the footsteps of the original movie. And plus, I don't think you can truly call it a Halloween film if Michael isn't a main principle of the film.

[Indigo Al]

No were near as bad as that god awful Ressurection movie, and I'd say far better than 5,6. Maybe on par with H20?


I'm sort of mixed on H20. It was all substance and no style. It suffered from Kevin Williamson-itis.

[Legato]

I'm sort of mixed on H20. It was all substance and no style. It suffered from Kevin Williamson-itis.

A part of me wished that H2O was the last Halloween film. You know the part whare Laurie kills Myers.

However the cynical side of me wishes that H2O ended with an epilogue that involved Laurie committed in a asylum because the person Laurie killed was a innocent man who Myers switched places with while Myers was long gone.

Myers would track Laurie down, he would kill her, and he would give the knife to some random psychotic. Kinda like how the beginning of resurrection showed.

Halloween Resurrection sucked but that beginning was what I wished the epilogue of H2O would have been.

[tjarvis]

I really like H2O, I thought it was really well executed, and with a cast that includes Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Williams, and Josh Hartnett, you probably have the best core group of actors to actually grace a Halloween film. Hell, even LL Cool J was pretty good in it, a lot better than Bustah, that's for sure.

Granted there wasn't a ton of depth, but let's be honest, it's a horror flick, most of them don't have that much in the way of depth.

In fact, outside of the first Halloween, I think H20 might be the best one. Followed closely by 2.

EDIT: Oh, and Michael actually tracking down and finally killing his sister in Ressurection kind of pissed me off. Totally ruins the story for me.

[Legato]

I really like H2O, I thought it was really well executed, and with a cast that includes Jamie Lee Curtis, Michelle Williams, and Josh Hartnett, you probably have the best core group of actors to actually grace a Halloween film. Hell, even LL Cool J was pretty good in it, a lot better than Bustah, that's for sure.

Granted there wasn't a ton of depth, but let's be honest, it's a horror flick, most of them don't have that much in the way of depth.

In fact, outside of the first Halloween, I think H20 might be the best one. Followed closely by 2.

EDIT: Oh, and Michael actually tracking down and finally killing his sister in Ressurection kind of pissed me off. Totally ruins the story for me.


While I agree with you a part of me felt that scene was the only redeeming quality of Ressurection. After that was nothing but pure crap

[Indigo Al]

I think my problem with H20 was the execution of the horror. Very little by way of suspense and thrill. I did like the continuation/resolution of Laurie Strode's story (which like a lot of others, made Resurrection very annoying - but then, I can just ignore Resurrection...)

The problem is, to keep the franchise going with Michael Myers they have to come up with a ridiculous convoluted family tree like in X-Men.

[tjarvis]

I think my problem with H20 was the execution of the horror. Very little by way of suspense and thrill. I did like the continuation/resolution of Laurie Strode's story (which like a lot of others, made Resurrection very annoying - but then, I can just ignore Resurrection...)

The problem is, to keep the franchise going with Michael Myers they have to come up with a ridiculous convoluted family tree like in X-Men.

True, but I thought the beginning with Joseph Gorden Levitt as he was investigating the nurse's house was actually good with the suspense. Especially as they hid his death scene until later.

And Michelle Williams confrontation with as the knife came within inches of her face was actually frightening. I read that she really broke down on set that day, and it shows, I could actually feel her terror.

[Dennis K]

http://fangoria.com/images/stories/may2009/myersnew.jpg

[Dennis K]

http://www.horror-movies.ca/AdvHTML_Upload/10857888-fe3058143d1f9477e4ec34d535ea1d18_4a253532-full.jpg

[Winterwolf]

Oh, and Michael actually tracking down and finally killing his sister in Ressurection kind of pissed me off. Totally ruins the story for me.

It kinda pissed me off too honestly...mostly because it happens IN THE BEGGING OF THE MOVIE!

If the movie ended with Michael finally killing his sister...thus having no purpose to kill anymore, the story finally and mercifully ends.

By putting it in the begging of the movie he kills her then for no reason begins his killing spree on pure strangers in his house.

What makes Micheal different than say a Jason or Freddy is his pursuit and need to kill his family members. Not just the random mooks in between.

[Dennis K]

What makes Micheal different than say a Jason or Freddy is his pursuit and need to kill his family members.


In Rob Zombie's Halloween Michael isn't trying to kill Laurie at all; at least not until she stuck the knife into him.


Not that that has anything to do with your post; just sayin'

[Dennis K]

It kinda pissed me off too honestly...mostly because it happens IN THE BEGGING OF THE MOVIE!

If the movie ended with Michael finally killing his sister...thus having no purpose to kill anymore, the story finally and mercifully ends.

By putting it in the begging of the movie he kills her then for no reason begins his killing spree on pure strangers in his house.

What makes Micheal different than say a Jason or Freddy is his pursuit and need to kill his family members. Not just the random mooks in between.


I think the purpose for killing after Laurie was dead was that he was, in a fashion, protecting his home. At least that's what I think the director was going for.

[Legato]

It kinda pissed me off too honestly...mostly because it happens IN THE BEGGING OF THE MOVIE!

If the movie ended with Michael finally killing his sister...thus having no purpose to kill anymore, the story finally and mercifully ends.

By putting it in the begging of the movie he kills her then for no reason begins his killing spree on pure strangers in his house.

What makes Micheal different than say a Jason or Freddy is his pursuit and need to kill his family members. Not just the random mooks in between.

Look at that scene like this. When Myers killed his sister his job was pretty much done. When he passed the knife to a random psycho that clearly meaned that he passed the torch to the next psychopath to take his place.

Meanwhile the real Myers is in hiding and have retired while that psychopath that Myers gave the knife to is continuing his legacy.

So the Myers that got his ass kicked by Bustah Rhymes wasn't the real Myers.

That is how I looked at Ressurrection and Im sticking with it.

[Dennis K]

Imagine my surprise seeing an ad for Halloween II during TNT's coverage of the NASCAR event yesterday. I'm not sure that's the target audience of this movie.

[kmeyers]

Imagine my surprise seeing an ad for Halloween II during TNT's coverage of the NASCAR event yesterday. I'm not sure that's the target audience of this movie.

There's a trailer out already?

[choptop]

There's a trailer out already?

its been out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVeX5EDWfVs

[Dennis K]

I like the new trailer much more than the first; it seems darker and the score has been improved.

[Nate Grey]

Well, in Resurrection, Michael killed his sister, but didn't end his bloodline. "You'll never find my son!" is what Laurie said to him or something to that effect. Michael essentially went back home to regroup to figure out what to do next, cause like he had to kill his sister, he had to kill his nephew, too. He just didn't know where to start. Its just kids started messing with him (so to speak) while he was regrouping so he started killing them.

Just saying, this probably shouldn't be left out. The movie sucks on its own merits without omitting things to make it suck more somehow.

[Andreas Tanis]

HR is a huge insult to filmmaking in general, and I think it should've never been made. Glad we got the remake when we did.

[Nate Grey]

HR is a huge insult to filmmaking in general, and I think it should've never been made. Glad we got the remake when we did.

Oh agreed completely. It was barely even half a thought. I hated part 6 but even that was better than HR.

[Legato]

Oh agreed completely. It was barely even half a thought. I hated part 6 but even that was better than HR.

It is a shame that H6 had to be the last Halloween movie that the actor who played Loomis did but yeah H6 was decent than HR. Still didn't like the idea of Myers being a rapist though. Especially towards his niece. Myers was supposed to be a emotionless killer who would rather kill Jamie the same way he would try to kill his sister

[Dennis K]

HR is a huge insult to filmmaking in general, and I think it should've never been made. Glad we got the remake when we did.


The Jamie Lee Curtis portion of H:R was good (up to and including Michael handing the patient the knife he used to kill Laurie), I found it an excellent ending to the Michael/Laurie story arc.

[Indigo Al]

The Jamie Lee Curtis portion of H:R was good (up to and including Michael handing the patient the knife he used to kill Laurie), I found it an excellent ending to the Michael/Laurie story arc.

Mmmm....i don't know. As irrationally fan-boyish of me as it is, there's the part of me that feels Laurie should have been triumphant in the end - it's kind of like when you find out Newt died in Alien 3 and all of Ripley's struggles were for naught.

[Monty_Cristo]

maybe i'm just a slasher snob but i see Halloween 1, 2, & H2O as a complete story arc. i treat the others as movies within a movie; not impacting continuity. i can't say that i'm excited for Zombie's sequel remake. i wasn't buying his revisioning of Meyers' as part of dysfunctional family. i won't say it was bad. but it didn't strike me as true to the original. H2O loses points for the WB kid casting. but the story itself was decent. it was nice to see Laurie go from shut-in to victor; even if her attempt to kill the Shape (permanently) was unsuccessful. and i actually liked Josh Hartnett in it. he looks like he could be a relative of Meyers, by the eyes. i never imagined the Shape looking like Tyler Mane beneath the mask; too hillbillyish.

[Monty_Cristo]

Imagine my surprise seeing an ad for Halloween II during TNT's coverage of the NASCAR event yesterday. I'm not sure that's the target audience of this movie.

i don't know. i look at Rob Zombie and his wife and think Nascar. i could imagine his "step dad" in the remake watching NASCAR. it's not what i would want to associate with the character. but i could see what they were doing by targeting that crowd. for the record, i was definately a fan of White Zombie back in the day.

[Andreas Tanis]

I guess now adays movies are advertised wherever they can in order to build hype. For me, I haven't seen any commercials for this yet.

[Dennis K]

maybe i'm just a slasher snob but i see Halloween 1, 2, & H2O as a complete story arc. i treat the others as movies within a movie; not impacting continuity. i can't say that i'm excited for Zombie's sequel remake. i wasn't buying his revisioning of Meyers' as part of dysfunctional family. i won't say it was bad. but it didn't strike me as true to the original. H2O loses points for the WB kid casting. but the story itself was decent. it was nice to see Laurie go from shut-in to victor; even if her attempt to kill the Shape (permanently) was unsuccessful. and i actually liked Josh Hartnett in it. he looks like he could be a relative of Meyers, by the eyes. i never imagined the Shape looking like Tyler Mane beneath the mask; too hillbillyish.


Interesting well-thought out post. My question though is why should RZ be expected to staying true to John Carpenter's version? To my way of thinking there would be no reason for the movie at all (something I'm sure a lot of people would be happy with). I saw an interview with RZ when RZH came out and he stated then that JC told him to make his own movie

Also, could you clarify what you mean about Tyler Mane being too hillbillyish? Is it because of the beard?

[Dennis K]

Mmmm....i don't know. As irrationally fan-boyish of me as it is, there's the part of me that feels Laurie should have been triumphant in the end


I can certainly understand that; I guess I've just always identified more with the Michael character.

[Dennis K]

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[Dennis K]

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[Dennis K]

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[Dennis K]

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[Dennis K]

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[Nate Grey]

So Malcolm McDowell is back for the sequel? Awesome.

[Murrocko]

Still didn't like the idea of Myers being a rapist though. Especially towards his niece. Myers was supposed to be a emotionless killer who would rather kill Jamie the same way he would try to kill his sister

He raped her?

[Dennis K]

In one of the wretched sequels before RZH.

[Nate Grey]

He raped her?

In the Producer's cut of the movie, yes. Had a bunch of other scenes left out, too, one of which was that Michael can be controlled by celtic rune stones. A bootleg of this cut has been floating around for a while, but so far hasn't had an official release.

The theatrical version is the one that's official and sold in stores. In that one, Michael isn't a rapist and Jamie's baby's father is unknown but it damn sure isn't him.

[Murrocko]

In the Producer's cut of the movie, yes. Had a bunch of other scenes left out, too, one of which was that Michael can be controlled by celtic rune stones. A bootleg of this cut has been floating around for a while, but so far hasn't had an official release.

The theatrical version is the one that's official and sold in stores. In that one, Michael isn't a rapist and Jamie's baby's father is unknown but it damn sure isn't him.


wtf? They controlled him with rues to rape his niece? What's the motivation for that?

[Winterwolf]

wtf? They controlled him with rues to rape his niece? What's the motivation for that?

Also who's Idea was it that thought it was a good idea in the first place? Seems so out of place.

[Nate Grey]

wtf? They controlled him with rues to rape his niece? What's the motivation for that?

That movie was all over the map. The reason the producer's cut exists at all is because it was the ORIGINAL cut of the movie shown to a test audience. The test audience hated it, so it was recut and then released as the theatrical version everyone is familiar with. Of course, someone got a hold of the original and made bootlegs that's been floating around.

What interesting about this is that Donald Pleasance died AFTER they decided to do reshoots for the new cut thanks to the failed test screening. He was alive for the whole filming of the producer's cut, including the ending when Dr. Loomis becomes the new avatar of Thorne.

As for the runes, well, apparently the writers felt it was a logical extension of the Celtic legend they had attached to Michael. That whole legend nonsense did survive to the theatrical cut (how to appease the Celtic god of Death known as Thorne a child was chosen from a village to become its avatar, and only when the child kills his whole family is the god appeased and the child released). But they (the cult of Thorne, mostly represented by Dr. Wynn) figure they'll keep it going as long as they can. Jamie having a child does that, and I guess having Michael be the father was the only way to ensure Jamie gets pregnant? :confused: Not too sure on that, and like I said, the movie was all over the map.

If you search for it on YouTube, someone has the whole movie cut up into 10 minute increments. The user who had the scenes isolated from the producer's cut not seen in the theatrical cut seems to have been deleted.

[Nate Grey]

Also who's Idea was it that thought it was a good idea in the first place? Seems so out of place.

At least it was left out of the theatrical cut, but now you have to wonder why Michael is working with the cult at all.

[Monty_Cristo]

Interesting well-thought out post. My question though is why should RZ be expected to staying true to John Carpenter's version?

i never said he should. if he has the money and the backing of the movie studio he should be allowed to put his artistic vision on screen. but what he's doing isn't going to win someone like me over. he's remaking something special, to me. i'd feel the same way if my mother were to get remarried.

To my way of thinking there would be no reason for the movie at all (something I'm sure a lot of people would be happy with). I saw an interview with RZ when RZH came out and he stated then that JC told him to make his own movie

yeah, because John Carpenter would look like a deuchebag if he told Rob Zombie to be faithful to his own creation. what you're talking about is formality; Rob Zombie even bothering to ask for input from the maker of the original when he was going to do what he wanted from the get-go. this was done to make fans of the original think that Rob Zombie "gets" them and the franchise.


Also, could you clarify what you mean about Tyler Mane being too hillbillyish? Is it because of the beard?

his general appearance. he looks like a WWE wrestler and not a 'face.' it's just not a look i've ever associated with Meyers or the time period he grew up in. to be fair, he did an excellent job as the shape. i just wish i had never seen him w/o the mask on. i also wish they had decided against reusing the scene where Meyers dresses up in that kid's "ghost" costume. c'mon are we really supposed to believe that she didn't notice right away that her boyfriend grew 3 feet?

[tjarvis]

Mmmm....i don't know. As irrationally fan-boyish of me as it is, there's the part of me that feels Laurie should have been triumphant in the end - it's kind of like when you find out Newt died in Alien 3 and all of Ripley's struggles were for naught.

I agree with you on this point. Most horror movies tend to reflect a basic mythlogical idea of good vs. evil. As bad as the monster is, good eventually rises to beat it back down. It's a simple, but powerful trope.

So I hate it when the saga ends by having the killer come back and kill the hero or heroine. It undermines the entire mythology aspect. The only time it worked for me was in the Nightmare Franchise, and that's because it was a successive series of passing torches. Each heroine helped give birth to the next who would take down Krueger.

Michael killing Laurie just sits poorly with me. For me, the franchise ended at H20

[Monty_Cristo]

I agree with you on this point. Most horror movies tend to reflect a basic mythlogical idea of good vs. evil. As bad as the monster is, good eventually rises to beat it back down. It's a simple, but powerful trope.

So I hate it when the saga ends by having the killer come back and kill the hero or heroine. It undermines the entire mythology aspect. The only time it worked for me was in the Nightmare Franchise, and that's because it was a successive series of passing torches. Each heroine helped give birth to the next who would take down Krueger.

strangely, it works for me in Friday the 13, as well. i don't see Jason as evil. he's a mad dog; sure. but he only attacks what enters his territory (up until that crappy visit to New York). and i felt kind of bad for him when he was rechained up under the lake; this is after they disturbed his grave, mind you. but with Michael Meyers, he's clearly evil. the story can't continue if he wins because his mission is specific to Laurie and the people that get inbetween he and she.

[Andreas Tanis]

With all that Jason has done to innocent people, you can very much consider him a monster, and it's the same with Michael. But no matter how big & bad the monster is, it's always refreshing to see a strong female character defeat it. That's one thing about horror movies that I'll never get tired of.

[tjarvis]

With all that Jason has done to innocent people, you can very much consider him a monster, and it's the same with Michael. But no matter how big & bad the monster is, it's always refreshing to see a strong female character defeat it. That's one thing about horror movies that I'll never get tired of.

It doesn't even have to be a female character for me. One of the things I liked about the Friday series is that they created a strong male protaganist in Tommy Jarvis who got to stand up to Jason. And then they did it again with Clay in the reboot. I actually like that it doesn't always have to be the girl to save the day.

That said, I'm always happy to see a strong female character put on screen. And it never hurts if she's cute either.

[Andreas Tanis]

It can go either way for me in that it can be a male, or female, but it's something about seeing a woman destroy a tremendous evil that is fun to watch. I love that with Clay they made someone who, while scared of Jason, wasn't scared to defend his sister and fight back. I'm hopeful he'll return for the sequel(s).

[Dennis K]

John Carpenter would look like a deuchebag if he told Rob Zombie to be faithful to his own creation. what you're talking about is formality; Rob Zombie even bothering to ask for input from the maker of the original when he was going to do what he wanted from the get-go. this was done to make fans of the original think that Rob Zombie "gets" them and the franchise.

his general appearance. he looks like a WWE wrestler and not a 'face.' it's just not a look i've ever associated with Meyers or the time period he grew up in. to be fair, he did an excellent job as the shape. i just wish i had never seen him w/o the mask on.


I think you may have misunderstood part of my original post. Zombie never asked for any input from Carpenter. What he did was (according to RZ) was call JC and give him a heads-up that he was going to be re-making/adding a prequel to Halloween. It was a courtesy call more than anything (at least IMO) because he, like you and I, are huge fans of the original film; and yes, I do believe that RZ "gets" Halloween the movie and hates Halloween the franchise and I'm in complete agreement with him. For the most part the original Halloween II sucked as did everything that came after it up to H2O (and everything in Halloween: Resurrection after the death of Laurie Strode). The concept of the "Thorn cult" was awful, the keystone cops bit was ridiculous....I could go on and on. The Halloween franchise was like a bad parody of the original movie, it had reduced this great horror character to nothing more than Jason Voorhees or Freddy Krueger status. While RZH's Halloween has plenty of flaws it didn't treat Michael Myers like a joke in general or some cliched punchline in particular. To me the Michael Myers character is on a par with Frankenstein; despite all of the "evil" things he's done he's still a tragic figure that garners sympathy. I guess that's part of the reason why I like Tyler Mane's portrayal (sp?) so much. It was easy to tell that he had watched what Daeg Faerch had done as young Michael Myers and based his performance on that. Using only his eyes and body language I felt like I "knew" what MM was thinking and feeling (just like with Boris Karloff in the aformentioned Frankenstein).

[Legato]

It can go either way for me in that it can be a male, or female, but it's something about seeing a woman destroy a tremendous evil that is fun to watch. I love that with Clay they made someone who, while scared of Jason, wasn't scared to defend his sister and fight back. I'm hopeful he'll return for the sequel(s).

I personally hope Clay dont return. Dont get me wrong I like the guy but should he return for the sequel then chances are that he will get killed by Jason to make room for someone else to try to kill him. I like the character too much to be apart of Jason's victims so if Hollywood could find a way to write Clay out of the movie without being killed Im all for it.


I would love to have it that Clay is to Jason as what Laurie Strodes is to Myers and that Clay is Jason's nemesis. Jason seems to be the one horror character out of Myers, and Freddy that dont have a nemesis.

[Guy1]

I personally hope Clay dont return. Dont get me wrong I like the guy but should he return for the sequel then chances are that he will get killed by Jason to make room for someone else to try to kill him. I like the character too much to be apart of Jason's victims so if Hollywood could find a way to write Clay out of the movie without being killed Im all for it.


I would love to have it that Clay is to Jason as what Laurie Strodes is to Myers and that Clay is Jason's nemesis. Jason seems to be the one horror character out of Myers, and Freddy that dont have a nemesis.

He kinda does.
Nancy Thompson is kinda the closest thing Freddy has.

[Legato]

He kinda does.
Nancy Thompson is kinda the closest thing Freddy has.

Actually what my last comment meant was that Myers and Freddy has a nemesis but Jason is the only one that doesn't really have one. Which was why I hope Clay could be Jason's nemesis in the remake

[Andreas Tanis]

I honestly don't know if that'll happen considering Jared said he wouldn't mind having his character killed off.

[Legato]

I honestly don't know if that'll happen considering Jared said he wouldn't mind having his character killed off.

Which would be a shame. Especially if his sister takes his place as I find Clay more intreresting than his sister anyway

[Andreas Tanis]

Clay is a hell of a lot more interesting than Whitney will ever be. I'd rather Whitney to actually stay alive throughout the second movie and be killed off at the end, so we can see how much it'd change Clay.

[Legato]

Clay is a hell of a lot more interesting than Whitney will ever be. I'd rather Whitney to actually stay alive throughout the second movie and be killed off at the end, so we can see how much it'd change Clay.

Yeah but if Jared really wants Clay to be killed off then I expect the opposite to happen.:frown:

What I liked about Clay is that it isn't often that you have a male in a horror slasher film that gets to be the hero. As much as I like to see the heroine defending herself against the crazed slasher I would like to see the male hold his own too. Which is what Clay did against Jason

[Andreas Tanis]

He didn't exactly say he wanted the character killed off, just that if it happened he'd see it as a honor.

Also, I agree, and just talking about it makes me want to pop in the F13 DVD. Clay is just an awesome character, and it never fails to see him onscreen. Clay was such a likable character that my friend told me if he got killed off that he wanted me to take the DVD out. When an actor can make you care that much about their character, then you know they've done a fantastic job.

[Legato]

He didn't exactly say he wanted the character killed off, just that if it happened he'd see it as a honor.

Also, I agree, and just talking about it makes me want to pop in the F13 DVD. Clay is just an awesome character, and it never fails to see him onscreen. Clay was such a likable character that my friend told me if he got killed off that he wanted me to take the DVD out. When an actor can make you care that much about their character, then you know they've done a fantastic job.

If Jared said that then I do agree that I would have Clay's death be a heroic sacrifice kind of death. Not done in the same way Laurie died. Nancy's death in NOES kinda well done as it was sad to see such a great character get killed

If anything I would like Clay to be like Nancy whare if Clay were to die it would be to pass the torch to another character that is as interesting as him to be Jason's nemesis. However unlike Nancy's replacement I dont want Clay's replacement to die withen the early portion of the sequel

[Monty_Cristo]

wait, isn't corey feldman Jason's true nemesis?

[Legato]

wait, isn't corey feldman Jason's true nemesis?

For awhile. But the character got scrapped for some reason