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Kid Icarus

03-13-2009, 09:21 AM

Here's the preview for Young X-Men #12 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2233&disp=table) the last issue.

One thing's for sure, Dust better NOT die...

OMAN
It wasn't Jean
what a total surpirse!

Cayman

03-13-2009, 09:24 AM

Who is Diamondheart? Is it one of the Cuckoos?

Kid Icarus

03-13-2009, 09:24 AM

Who is Diamondheart? Is it one of the Cuckoos?

It's Emma Frost
...for no specific reason

RickyD410

03-13-2009, 09:30 AM

OMAN
It wasn't Jean
what a total surpirse!

Who was it? She looks like Shadowcat.

lockerogue

03-13-2009, 09:32 AM

Who was it? She looks like Shadowcat.

That would be sexy evil alternate reality Dust.

Cayman

03-13-2009, 09:32 AM

It's Emma Frost
...for no specific reason

So it would gross if I hooked her up with Ruby from that Layla Miller special?

RickyD410

03-13-2009, 09:33 AM

That would be sexy evil alternate reality Dust.

Ah. I see. Thanks. I wonder why?

I'm not sure I like Ink narrating. I mean, I'll wait till I read it before I judge it completely, but I just dont see why he's friends with the X-Men. When did that happen? When did he become one of them?

The Lucky One

03-13-2009, 09:39 AM

That would be sexy evil alternate reality Dust.

Is it? I guess that's the disadvantage of a character who always wears a burqa... when her face is finally revealed, no one's sure who it is. :rolleyes:

I'll be curious to learn where she got fire powers, though.

-D

metalgorgomon

03-13-2009, 09:45 AM

Is it? I guess that's the disadvantage of a character who always wears a burqa... when her face is finally revealed, no one's sure who it is. :rolleyes:

I'll be curious to learn where she got fire powers, though.

-D

Yep.. I think it's Dust. Though.. this is not the first time we see her face.
This is the first time she wears sexy clothes though..

Hmm... maybe Ink will give her a secondary fire/explosive power when he tries to cure her??

Pach!

03-13-2009, 09:47 AM

Yep.. I think it's Dust. Though.. this is not the first time we see her face.
This is the first time she wears sexy clothes though..

Hmm... maybe Ink will give her a secondary fire/explosive power when he tries to cure her??

She wore sexy clothes in House of M.

metalgorgomon

03-13-2009, 09:50 AM

She wore sexy clothes in House of M.

Yep.. you're right.. I think she wears a tank top in the HOM.
But this time she wears Red Queen type of clothes.. :biggrin:

RickyD410

03-13-2009, 09:55 AM

We also saw her wear sexy pjs in New X-Men. Why? I have no idea. But its a comic book, so of course, all girls must be scantily clad when sleeping, even when it makes no sense at all.

And we've seen her face a few times before. Whenever she's alone with girls, she takes her hood off. And in the battle against Nimrod, it was burnt away, and the same when she fought Belasco in Limbo.

greenshoes713

03-13-2009, 09:57 AM

jarrod

03-13-2009, 10:56 AM

lol. Future Vic looks like he's ready for the cover of HX.

Prodigy55

03-13-2009, 11:13 AM

Yuck, Dust has an ugly costume in the future!

DarthCyclopsRLZ

03-13-2009, 11:53 AM

Oh, wow. I just can't find the proper words to describe how fugly that panel of 'angry' Diamondheart (LOL) is. Just... wow.

XSE Drake

03-13-2009, 11:55 AM

lol. Future Vic looks like he's ready for the cover of HX.

I can totally see him and Jonas hitting Musical Mondays at Splash.

Victorious

03-13-2009, 12:03 PM

Not sure i like Dust as a villian.

So Guggs is giving everyone what they were whising, Ink is getting what you all want him to get. Doubt that healing power of his would work on sand or glass...

and lol at Dani's face in the first page!

On the future:

lol at Ink's tattos, where's that pheonix one?

love old Emma Frost! so she has romance or flirting with several X-Men already: Forge, Banshee, Namor, Cyclops, Wolverine and Piotr. She's like the female Wolverine.

and what's with Baywatch Anole?

NewMutant

03-13-2009, 12:41 PM

This makes me sad. Ever since Anole joined the cast the qualitiy has gotten a lot better and I love the art in the present period. This looks like a great ending though.

Mr.EZ

03-13-2009, 12:47 PM

Could we please stop getting "Evil Alternate Future" stories in an X-Men comic?

XaviersMisprint

03-13-2009, 12:56 PM

I'm sure Dust finds a way to make her sand hot in the future which may burn so strongly that it seems to burn flesh off as well as flay it right off the bones. Or maybe she gets some sort of nuclear charge to her sand, like explosive sand. It could be really cool.

Dust is badass. I really like future versions of those characters, they all look great! Old Emma may be ugly, but she is interesting to say the least. Anole is fiiiine.

Ryan W

03-13-2009, 01:38 PM

Could we please stop getting "Evil Alternate Future" stories in an X-Men comic?

I KNOW RIGHT?!

Buh. So trite.

Petes Pants

03-13-2009, 01:44 PM

I gotta be honest. Hot sand is a bitch.

I am terrified of Future Dust if this is one of her powers.

psycwave

03-13-2009, 03:23 PM

The Black Guardian

03-13-2009, 03:52 PM

Boo to evil Dust, even if she is hot.

greenshoes713

03-13-2009, 04:05 PM

I love that Moonstar is having a seizure!

HAHAHA.

4sake

03-13-2009, 05:11 PM

If Ink saves Dust.. I will go from HATING him as character/creation & just really disliking him a lot

Imraith Nimphais

03-13-2009, 05:12 PM

lol. Future Vic looks like he's ready for the cover of HX.

YES!...and HOW!...I want growed-up Vic in our timeline ...NOW!:biggrin:

Hakael

03-13-2009, 05:53 PM

Poor crying Rockslide. Hope he beats down on Pierce the entire issue.

Yet another terrible view of another terrible possible future. Good thing it will never be fleshed out further.

Slant

03-13-2009, 06:04 PM

It seems that EVERY single possible alternate future is going to suck tremendously. Its a wonder the X-Men even bother.

Peter F.

03-13-2009, 08:10 PM

It looks like Ink is narrating this last issue, fair enough considering that it feels like this entire series has been about him.

So in that alternate future Dust died and came back as a stereotypical supervillainess.

Hopefully that isn't how Guggenheim plans to end the series in 616.

Leirus

03-13-2009, 10:36 PM

My Thoughts:

1.- Ink, be a good Mary Sue (Peter sue?) heal Dust and dissapear from our lives FOREVER

2.- Old Emma has had a serious problem with her implants. What is up with her boobs?

3.- Oooh... So bad Dust is a Dominatrix? Arghs.

Sometimes, twelve issues are too much

The Black Guardian

03-13-2009, 11:28 PM

3.- Oooh... So bad Dust is a Dominatrix? Arghs.
Seriously. I can accept the chance of her going bad (it's a stretch, but I can accept it), but dominatrix-style? Really now?

KrullWall

03-13-2009, 11:35 PM

MuhollandDriver

03-14-2009, 09:50 AM

This issue got me excited, just like last issue.

i am sad this is going, despite a plethora of very problematic past issues.

Evil, slinky Dust is a fun idea. i am glad he's going with it.

Ink....i have warmed up to him more in past issues, despite that awful idea of a phoenix tattoo. Guggenheim had a story in him about this character....i can tell....i'm just not sure an X-Comic was the place to do it.

Diamondheart....i like it :).....

Well Anole....You...err...ripened in Your adult years!

Despite the deep problems of this book, i felt Guggenheim had some wonderful ideas going on. i wish they could have synthesized a bit better.

Ah well...hopefully these characters will find homes and soon.

i hear great things about Guggenheim elsewhere...him. Matt Fraction, past writers....obviously writing an X-Book is something not everyone can do.

XaviersMisprint

03-14-2009, 10:05 AM

This issue got me excited, just like last issue.

i am sad this is going, despite a plethora of very problematic past issues.

Evil, slinky Dust is a fun idea. i am glad he's going with it.

Ink....i have warmed up to him more in past issues, despite that awful idea of a phoenix tattoo. Guggenheim had a story in him about this character....i can tell....i'm just not sure an X-Comic was the place to do it.

Diamondheart....i like it :).....

Well Anole....You...err...ripened in Your adult years!

Despite the deep problems of this book, i felt Guggenheim had some wonderful ideas going on. i wish they could have synthesized them a bit better.

Ah well...hopefully these characters will find homes and soon.

i hear great things about Guggenheim elsewhere...him. Matt Fraction, past writers....obviously writing an X-Book is something not everyone can do.

Agreed, Mullet Diver. You always find a good measure between pros and cons, which makes you easy to agree with. I think Ink would have worked as a new character in Avengers Initiative or something. Or maybe even in a Marvel Icon book, completely detached from the X-Men.

MuhollandDriver

03-14-2009, 10:13 AM

Agreed, Mullet Diver. You always find a good measure between pros and cons, which makes you easy to agree with. I think Ink would have worked as a new character in Avengers Initiative or something. Or maybe even in a Marvel Icon book, completely detached from the X-Men.

Thanks!

i agree...Ink might have worked there, or in a mini.

Heck, perhaps if he wasn't introduced as such an unlikable character.

i also liked Diamonheart's image and costume! Very TRONlike.

Anyone notice how she and Dust were fully clothed, and our boys were the ones with gratuitously exposed flesh?

It's nice to see a comic book gender role reversal!

metalgorgomon

03-14-2009, 11:04 AM

SAY WHAT? so dust is a villian in the future that MUST be an alternate future. I seriously do not kno how they are gonna wrap everything up in 1 small issue! I kinda wish this book wasnt coming to an end

Alternate Dominatrix Dust said that they (X-Men) let her die.
Maybe Ink will save her thus preventing that alternate future from happening?

Peter F.

03-14-2009, 11:08 AM

Alternate Dominatrix Dust said that they (X-Men) let her die.
Maybe Ink will save her thus preventing that alternate future from happening?

Or Ink's Caduceus tattoo will be what resurrects her as this evil freak.

XaviersMisprint

03-14-2009, 11:08 AM

Thanks!

i agree...Ink might have worked there, or in a mini.

Heck, perhaps if he wasn't introduced as such an unlikable character.

i also liked Diamonheart's image and costume! Very TRONlike.

Anyone notice how she and Dust were fully clothed, and our boys were the ones with gratuitously exposed flesh?

It's nice to see a comic book gender role reversal!

Absolutely. Finally we get some male sex appeal. But idk, check out the rack on Dust...

Vanish

03-14-2009, 01:52 PM

For some reason I thought the mysterious skank was Dani Moonstar.

But then I thought...she doesn't look Native American, but I guess that's about right.

ANYWAYS the art looks awesome! Sandavol, Olivier, Bonet, and Arreola should have been on the title from the beginning.

DOES NOT WANT THIS TO END.

Acuna's art is funny, if not nice at times. I particularly like his Graymalkin other than the headshot.

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 02:41 PM

Future Anole is....

hot?

what?

JValentine

03-14-2009, 03:34 PM

Yes, final issue!

i) Ink and Greymalkin should die and everyone should forget about them.

OR

ii) This should be some sort of dream :).

Vanish

03-14-2009, 03:38 PM

Yes, final issue!

i) Ink and Greymalkin should die and everyone should forget about them.

OR

ii) This should be some sort of dream :).

NO THANKS.

I really like Greymalkin. The Xavier ancestory thing was a weird little tidbit that I'm glad has been left alone, but I do like the little bits of character that have formed in this series. A freak who is a nice guy, though not exactly debonair, reluctantly trying to rebound from the shadows and take action. I'm into him.

JValentine

03-14-2009, 04:00 PM

NO THANKS.

I really like Greymalkin. The Xavier ancestory thing was a weird little tidbit that I'm glad has been left alone, but I do like the little bits of character that have formed in this series. A freak who is a nice guy, though not exactly debonair, reluctantly trying to rebound from the shadows and take action. I'm into him.

I do not like Greymalkin, though I must be one of the only people to have such a zealous dislike for him as I've heard other people mention the fact that they like him.

Though, Guggenheim must be applauded: he actually suceeded in creating an inane character devoid of the slightest of likeable human qualities, Ink. BORING.
He also killed off an underdeveloped character for no reason.... great going.

MuhollandDriver

03-14-2009, 04:12 PM

Despite its problems (and yes, there were several), i believe there are things to salvage from this run.

Vanish

03-14-2009, 04:13 PM

I do not like Greymalkin, though I must be one of the only people to have such a zealous dislike for him as I've heard other people mention the fact that they like him.

Though, Guggenheim must be applauded: he actually suceeded in creating an inane character devoid of the slightest of likeable human qualities, Ink. BORING.
He also killed off an underdeveloped character for no reason.... great going.

Its not like Wolf Cub died from gestational diabetes, he died in combat like most superheroes. Granted, it wasn't the most original death, but it wasn't for any reason.

The title hasn't been perfect, but its been one of the few consistently enjoyable X-Titles since issue 7. Its not as brilliantly crafted as X-Force, but I enjoy it for its simplicity. Guggenheim finally gave me sufficient reason to be interested in Dust beyond my initial thoughts of "this girl has potential!" during Morrison's run and the Hellions miniseries.

JValentine

03-14-2009, 04:13 PM

Despite its problems (and yes, there were several), i believe there are things to salvage from this run.

Like the fact that it's ending :P?

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 04:15 PM

It had a rocky start, but it started picking up...
We could have done without the Y-Men story and crazy Ink powers.

Dust is the most interesting character by far, but I kinda wish he kept Blindfold and returned her to being the crazy shawl woman she used to be.

JValentine

03-14-2009, 04:18 PM

Its not like Wolf Cub died from gestational diabetes, he died in combat like most superheroes. Granted, it wasn't the most original death, but it wasn't for any reason.

The title hasn't been perfect, but its been one of the few consistently enjoyable X-Titles since issue 7. Its not as brilliantly crafted as X-Force, but I enjoy it for its simplicity. Guggenheim finally gave me sufficient reason to be interested in Dust beyond my initial thoughts of "this girl has potential!" during Morrison's run and the Hellions miniseries.

He died for no good reason, that's the thing. It wasn't exactly a glorious death, and Rockslide and Dust were present to fight Pierce.

Simple? It's insulting that Marvel expects us to pay $3 for crap that's as painfully obvious and pathetic as Young X-Men. The Pierce reveal wasn't exactly unexpected.

MuhollandDriver

03-14-2009, 04:25 PM

i liked Graymalkin...and thought his origin story was interesting. Anole and Rockslide might not have been as spot on as KY, but it's still something i want to see continue. Cipher is a a character with potential. Dust and Donald Pierce was also an interesting subplot. The current arc has plenty of neat things going on..the last issue actually gave me chills..almost as much as an X-Force issue.

Yes, the comic probably needed to be cancelled. Nonetheless...i didn't see it as a total waste.

Even when it flopped...it was never dull. Coming online and sharing WTF's with fellow readers about "cuz" lingo, ex machina Wolfcub, 70s GI Joe artwork, the churchbase which was utilized in probably a page and a half, Dani Moonstar running around during battle like a cracked Project Runway model, Greymalkin twitching and talking to no one in the corner, and of course....the phoenix tattoo.

Coming online to discuss the outrageously off events was great entertainment.

Even at its worst, Young X-Men, unlike our currently flagship Uncanny, is never dull for a second.

The last few issues of Uncanny....i have to fight from skimming the pages.

Peter F.

03-14-2009, 05:59 PM

Future Anole is....

hot?

what?

He's such a butterface.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 09:51 PM

Agreed, Mullet Diver. You always find a good measure between pros and cons, which makes you easy to agree with. I think Ink would have worked as a new character in Avengers Initiative or something. Or maybe even in a Marvel Icon book, completely detached from the X-Men.

UGH keep Ink away from Avengers: The Initiative

Yes, final issue!

i) Ink and Greymalkin should die and everyone should forget about them.

OR

ii) This should be some sort of dream :).

You forgot Cipher.

He's such a butterface.

I wouldn't mind.

Vanish

03-14-2009, 10:18 PM

UGH keep Ink away from Avengers: The Initiative

You forgot Cipher.

I wouldn't mind.

You're mean, green!

I happen to like Cipher!

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:20 PM

You're mean, green!

I happen to like Cipher!

MIA, Mia, Mia

Blindfold is hella awesome,

Young (ugghh) X-Men is not, I will have to reprogram you, your Sofia loss has caused your taste to malfunction.

Vanish

03-14-2009, 10:29 PM

MIA, Mia, Mia

Blindfold is hella awesome,

Young (ugghh) X-Men is not, I will have to reprogram you, your Sofia loss has caused your taste to malfunction.

NOPENOPENOPE

I like Young X-Men! Everyone's complaints about Ink don't bother me because I don't care about Ink or the Phoenix Force.

Everyone else is fine!

Peter F.

03-14-2009, 10:29 PM

lockerogue

03-14-2009, 10:30 PM

I love Cipher and her etherealness. Oh and those dreds.

Vanish

03-14-2009, 10:31 PM

I love Cipher and her etherealness. Oh and those dreds.

OMG.

FUNKY DIVAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Cipher.

All awesome things, therefore so are you.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:33 PM

I wouldn't mind Ink in Avengers: the Initiative. If he was just a random member of one of the 50 State teams then we'd almost never see him, so that's cool.

And every single arc wouldn't end with him saving the day by getting a new tattoo.

I did not know you had a Mad-On for Avengers: The Initiative.

I love Cipher and her etherealness. Oh and those dreds.

Cipher is all kinds of wrong!

Vanish

03-14-2009, 10:34 PM

Cipher is all kinds of wrong!

How so?

Her outfit sure as hell ain't wrong.

Sexy mama.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:35 PM

NOPENOPENOPE

I like Young X-Men! Everyone's complaints about Ink don't bother me because I don't care about Ink or the Phoenix Force.

Everyone else is fine!

I don't like how severely you're malfunctioning!

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:36 PM

How so?

Her outfit sure as hell ain't wrong.

Sexy mama.

It is, it doesn't even have a frigging X!

Vanish

03-14-2009, 10:38 PM

It is, it doesn't even have a frigging X!

There's an "X" shaved.

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 10:39 PM

Blindfold and Dust were the best of this series!

Peter F.

03-14-2009, 10:41 PM

I did not know you had a Mad-On for Avengers: The Initiative.

It's not my favorite book, but it is consistently good (insanely better than Young X-men has been) so I try to keep up with it.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:41 PM

Blindfold and Dust were the best of this series!

No Blindfold did not wear a shall, and had ninja moves.

Dust was duped.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:42 PM

It's not my favorite book, but it is consistently good (insanely better than Young X-men has been) so I try to keep up with it.

Then why do you want to destroy it?

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 10:45 PM

No Blindfold did not wear a shall, and had ninja moves.

Dust was duped.

I kinda wish he had kept her though, he'd eventually "get" her character and turn her back into the old Blindfold.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:48 PM

I kinda wish he had kept her though, he'd eventually "get" her character and turn her back into the old Blindfold.

Its too late he already had her wearing jeans!

FUCKING JEANS, MAN!

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 10:50 PM

LOL I know, when I saw that I was like "yuck!".
Blindfold does not wear pink open-stomach t-shirts and lowcut jeans!

Her voice at least was not butchered.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:51 PM

Prodigy has finally come to his senses.

But you Mia I think you need some of this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GJkKMPHxw&feature=channel_page

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:51 PM

LOL I know, when I saw that I was like "yuck!".
Blindfold does not wear pink open-stomach t-shirts and lowcut jeans!

Her voice at least was not butchered.

YOU EDITED!

Yes it was she was talking to UGH Cipher the whole time!

No one's used her since then, she can't wash the stank of Cipher off her,

She's damaged goods.

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 10:53 PM

bah!
When she was talking to Rockslide, she was still saying pardon and thank you etc.

I highly doubt Cipher was everywhere Blindfold was at all times.

If so, this series is even more lol.

greenshoes713

03-14-2009, 10:54 PM

bah!
when she was talking to Rockslide, she was still saying pardon and thank you etc.

I highly doubt Cipher was everywhere Blindfold was at all times.

Damaged goods.

Prodigy55

03-14-2009, 11:01 PM

With only 1 issue left, are they going to mention this mysterious person that Cipher is hiding from?

Vanish

03-14-2009, 11:04 PM

Prodigy has finally come to his senses.

But you Mia I think you need some of this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_GJkKMPHxw&feature=channel_page

Right back at ya!

bah!
When she was talking to Rockslide, she was still saying pardon and thank you etc.

I highly doubt Cipher was everywhere Blindfold was at all times.

If so, this series is even more lol.

I thought Cipher did talk to Blindfold, but Blindfold was just batshit crazy anyway so no one could tell the difference. She still said pardon/thank you/bless you for no reason when talking to Cipher.

Pach!

03-15-2009, 09:36 AM

No Blindfold did not wear a shall, and had ninja moves.

Dust was duped.

she did wear the shall and she did not even fight so im not sure what you're talking about.

Home made ectoplasm

03-15-2009, 10:00 AM

Though, Guggenheim must be applauded: he actually suceeded in creating an inane character devoid of the slightest of likeable human qualities, Ink. BORING.

You are being sarcastic here but I don't see Ink being unlikeable as a failing, this was pretty clearly Guggenheim's intention. Nothing wrong with the characters being jerks.

greenshoes713

03-15-2009, 11:23 AM

she did wear the shall and she did not even fight so im not sure what you're talking about.

Yeah she did, Magma made her into glass.

and then Wolf Cub defeated her,... by clawing her,.... in her heat form....

Pach!

03-15-2009, 11:26 AM

Yeah she did, Magma made her into glass.

and then Wolf Cub defeated her,... by clawing her,.... in her heat form....

i meant "the ninja moves". Blindfold didnt fight.

Peter F.

03-15-2009, 11:28 AM

i meant "the ninja moves". Blindfold didnt fight.

No but she was sent to fight Dani, for some inexplicable reason.

greenshoes713

03-15-2009, 11:43 AM

i meant "the ninja moves". Blindfold didnt fight.

Oh yes!

You're correct!

But still...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/721586-young_x_men_000_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/young_x_men_000/105-721586/)

Vanish

03-15-2009, 01:15 PM

HI PACH. :<3

Yeah she did, Magma made her into glass.

and then Wolf Cub defeated her,... by clawing her,.... in her heat form....

What did any of this have to do with Blindy?

No but she was sent to fight Dani, for some inexplicable reason.

She was sent to fight Dani so Ink could take her out.

Pierce never wanted a precog on the team who could foil his plans. Rockslide insisted Ruth join.

Oh yes!

You're correct!

But still...

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9241/721586-young_x_men_000_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/young_x_men_000/105-721586/)

LOL blame Dodson for missing Revanche.

SayOcean

03-15-2009, 01:47 PM

Young Xmen was probably the worst comic book ive ever read....and I used to read Hama's Gen X.....how this book followed New Xmen baffles me, New Xmen was getting pretty good...esp the Quest for Magik

but reading about was more enjoyable than uncanny....i was cracking on most of the parts.....i had to stop buying the crap.....it caused laughing pains

Vanish

03-15-2009, 02:04 PM

HAAAAY
and Cipher DOES have a (non-shaved) X on her person!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18265/737028-cipher_large.jpg

LOL and its my avatar so I should've noticed.

Prodigy55

03-15-2009, 02:08 PM

Cipher has been wearing the same costume for years, it must stink hardcore by now.

Vanish

03-15-2009, 02:12 PM

Cipher has been wearing the same costume for years, it must stink hardcore by now.

Cipher keeps it fresh.

I'm sure she can phase out all of the oil and grime and Aunt Flo's leftover pie.

darkblue

03-15-2009, 09:02 PM

If it was Guggs plan all along for Dust to turn into that evil woman thing, i'm glad it's getting canceled. but I hate to see Dust and Rockslide not in a book now. having a book that was good for all the wrong reasons and bad for all the right just gave me a headache, i can't say i'll miss it too much.