X-Men Manifest Destiny: Nightcrawler

[nightw1ng]

for the ones who wondered if the issue was worth it...

Nightcrawler tells Cyclops he is quitting the team because he feels the X-Men don't need him. he decides to go to the opening of a Nightcrawler museum in Winzeldorf, Germany, the place where Prof. X had saved him from a mob. He goes to the museum and finds it filled with various artifacts from his life. He meets the owner, Mara Keller, a young lady he once saved back in the United States when she went to university and is now his biggest fan.

Some villagers come in, getting in Kurt's face, asking if he will kill the beast that's terrorizing them. Turns out they had Mara invite Kurt back to help them, because they assumed he wouldn't have come if they asked themselves. Mara thought he wouldn't come. They call the monster Vielfras, and say it murdered a man and are now worried about a missing girl.

Suddenly, the monster (who looks like a huge red demon with horns and a tail) crashes into the museum and attacks. They spar for a bit. Kurt wounds it with some swords from the displays, and it escapes. The museum is a wreck. Kurt promises to get the monster and teleports away. Mara sniffs the smoke in his teleportational wake and says "mmmm." (fyi, kurt's bamf's are supposed to smell like sulfur and brimstone, which smells a lot like rotten eggs.)

After searching the woods for awhile, he comes across the monster roasting and eating a carcass. Kurt assumes it is the missing girl and attacks. After fighting and talking, it turns out to be a misunderstanding, it was eating a deer. It attacked Kurt at the museum because it thought he was brought in to kill it. Turns out the monster is actually a local 16 year old boy named Henrik Weber who was cursed by the gypsy grandmother of a girl he cheated on. the man whom the villagers thought the monster murdered is the boy's father, who had a heart attack when he saw his transformed boy.

the villagers find them and Kurt protects Henrik, but is shot in the chest. Henrik gets mad and attacks the villagers, but Kurt stops him from killing the grandfather of the missing girl, saying he would become the monster they really think he is. (cliched, i know.)

the missing girl appears, saying she got lost. Kurt teleports her and her grandfather to safety. he hears a gunshot and goes back to find Henrik committed suicide. just then Mephisto appears to claim his soul and those of other villagers, who somehow died anyway even though Kurt and Henrik did not kill them (plot hole?). Kurt asks if this is because he didn't side with him in the Demon War (does this refer to the end of X-Infernus or Nightcrawler's old solo title?) Mephisto says he did this to show Kurt that he is a demon and will end up feared, hated, and alone. Kurt says he is wrong and that coming to Winzeldorf has shown him that he is proud of the choices he made in his life. Mephisto fades away and says not to be too proud because that is a sin too.

Kurt goes back to the museum. Mara sees that he is injured but he says you gets used to it. Kurt then thanks Mara for the museum by making out with her.

A week later, Cyclops, Emma, Beast (the 3 members that make up Uncanny X-Men) and Armor are fighting a villain named Grotesk in San Francisco. They are holding him and his henchmen off, although Emma gets bitch-slapped by one of them. Kurt teleports in and joins the battle. Grotesk says he is protected by his mystical armor. Emma mentions Pixie tried to get past his barrier but was deflected and injured by its magic. Kurt says he doesn't need magic, teleports inside the barrier, and teleports out with Grotesk's helmet. (Personally, I would have teleported his actual armor off instead since that was what he said protected him.) Grotesk then fades away (because I guess that was all that was holding him together). Scott asks if Kurt is back and Kurt says yes.

so yeah, like the manifest destiny mini itself, this was pretty much inconsequential. the art was ok, although the artist and kurt's costume changed 2/3's the way through. i guess Kurt fans would enjoy this, but most shouldn't bother.

[CmX]

I only bought this because I had nothing coming out this week for me and it was in my little box. This was so not worth four dollars, what was the point of this issue? It's not as though this issue was to fix anything or to close any sub plot involving Kurt. It was very generic and shallow story IMO. I don't recommend it unless you're a diehard Nightcrawler fan otherwise save your four bucks!

[The Lucky One]

I skimmed it in the store. When Mephisto called Kurt a demon, I expected Kurt to say, "Well, uh, no, I'm actually not. You didn't... get the memo? Yeah, Doc Strange confirmed it and everything. You know, Sorceror Supreme, the guy whose word I'm a little more likely to take than the Lord of Lies?"

Since that didn't happen, I left it on the shelf.

-D

[Til]

Kurt's in my triumvirate of favorite characters, so I was looking forward to this since I first heard about it. With that said, I really wish I didn't spend my money on it. Nothing of consequence happened. Nothing.

[CmX]

Yeah it was just a meaningless one-shot kinda like the ones that are released all the time for Wolverine. Not only but the art was really really below average IMO and it was solicited as an important plot for Kurt and that we would see where it would lead him in the future. And it didn't. Lame.

[Prodigy55]

Pixie should become religious, Nightcrawler still thinks he is unique because of that.

[streator]

well, at least it sounds like kurt didn't quit the x-men for good, then.

/glad i decided to skip this issue

[4sake]

I actually like this comics alot & who that
Kurt it actually writing like this form now on & not weak like he has been over the past few months.

[steve2275]

rather good issue
art and all

[x_goalkeeper]

I really did not think Kurt was really leaving the X-Men :smile:

[worstblogever]

At least Kurt got laid.


Other than that, this was like, "Remember the themes from the Nightcrawler ongoing? You don't? Well, darn. It was kind of like this."

And then he goes back to fight Grotesk, of all things.

Meh.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The artwork was pretty good, but in terms of the writing? This was poor.

It just goes to show how incredibly out of touch Marvel are with Europe. Little hamlet towns are far less prevalent than you'd think in modern Germany, and those which remain are far from as backwards as this picture postcard image. As I turned from page to page I kept thinking that surely no more cliches and stereotypes could be thrown into the mix.

But, no. GYPSIES!

For God's sake Marvel! When are you going to pull your head out of your backside for long enough to realise the world outside America is not as Disney tells you it is. I actually find it mildly offensive.

The story itself was pretty bland. The idea of a 'Nightcrawler Museum' was frankly a pretty silly starting point, but it didn't really get any better.

Even an appearance of Mephisto couldn't save it. And I love Mephisto.

I really wish that Marvel would stop putting one-shots like this out. They achieve nothing. Nightcrawler was clearly never going to leave the team. And the tone of this book just does not fit with the rest of the X-Men line right now.

I'm a huge Kurt fan, and yes it's great to see a characterisation of him where he's not some cloistered religious cliche. Great to see him in his swashbuckling and womanising persona - arguably the TRUE Kurt. But the story itself was just plain daft.

And not in a so-daft-it's-fun way.

[The Black Guardian]

Yup. What the Sword man said. 99% dreadful.

[timbox]

Someone should post scans of Armor.

[jarrod]

Sounds awful. At least there was no Azazel tho.

[Twisted Bliss]

Someone should post scans of Armor.

Silly timbox its Armour....say it with me "ARMOUR".

There ya go !

*throws timbox a scooby snack which timbox leaps into the air and catches with his forked tongue*

[.LuckyStar.]

Eh, this story didn't serve any purpose at all! What was the point? To know old gypsy ladies can turn men who cheats into big devils? Meh.

Someone should post scans of Armor.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/307/armorm.jpg

Beast looks entertained by his fingers.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sounds awful. At least there was no Azazel tho.

The only horror it was short of. Well, that and a Greg Land cover.

[Novaya Havoc]

A week later, Cyclops, Emma, Beast (the 3 members that make up Uncanny X-Men)

LOL! Love it. <3

[The Sword Is Drawn]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/307/armorm.jpg

Beast looks entertained by his fingers.

This whole page was ridiculously out of character. None of these characters are chummy with Kurt. And Beast's thumbs up is terrible...:biggrin:

[timbox]

Beast looks entertained by his fingers.

Thank you for the scan! I love the art. Armor always asks the intelligent questions, she's amazing and it's obvious that she is not pleased that Nightcrawler decided to stick around.

I am used to Beast looking ridiculous, he is a terrible jester, though.

[worstblogever]

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/307/armorm.jpg

Beast looks entertained by his fingers.

He's just thinking about all the kitchen utensils he'll be playing with later.

And slipping a digit into Agent Brand.

[Rev. Calibos]

I was enjoying Kurt's dissatisfaction in the X-Men. His feelings of inadequacy when considering Pixie's contributions to the team was a satisfying subplot and I thought that this one shot would provide a clean break for our favorite fuzzy elf from the team.

He has a chance to go home, see that there's now a museum dedicated to him, he has a boy cursed by a gypsy to perhaps mentor and then....wham....nope, it was all a ploy by Mephisto, the entire village is apparently a side project for him when he isn't busy erasing marriages I guess.

So we're presented with this plausible exit for Nightcrawler, we're teased with this nice little set up for him to retire to for awhile while he gets a breather from the X-men and they just do a 180 mid way through.

So the end result of the engaging subplot of Nightcrawler questioning his place on the X-Men and his usefulness to the team?

Nope, changed his mind. Everything's hunky dory.

Lame.

[Shyft]

So just to be clear, Nightcrawler ISNT leaving the X-Men?

[timbox]

So just to be clear, Nightcrawler ISNT leaving the X-Men?

They’re most likely keeping him around so he can be properly killed off in the near future.

[Rev. Calibos]

So just to be clear, Nightcrawler ISNT leaving the X-Men?

Nope.

He had an abrupt change of heart.

[Shyft]

Oh good. Now if he had just been able to convince Pixie to go and live as a gypsy instead, everything would be well.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

He's just thinking about all the kitchen utensils he'll be playing with later.

And slipping a digit into Agent Brand.

Better give his fur a check, first. That is one place you cannot afford to send flees...

So just to be clear, Nightcrawler ISNT leaving the X-Men?

Nope. He'll be standing around in the background with the rest of the cast until Uncanny gets desperate enough for a token death... :frown:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Oh good. Now if he had just been able to convince Pixie to go and live as a gypsy instead, everything would be well.

An Egyptian/Welsh Gypsy?

[Shyft]

An Egyptian/Welsh Gypsy?

Sure why not. The Welsh probaby build Stone Henge, the Egyptians built pyramids, the Gypsys were originally accidently thought to come from Egypt..it all adds up.

[Prodigy55]

Don't worry guys, when Nightcrawler comes back he'll see Pixie teleport and then he'll leave again.

[protogarrett]

Armor I love.
Pixie... I waver on each appearence. At times I love her and at times I want her to just go away.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Don't worry guys, when Nightcrawler comes back he'll see Pixie teleport and then he'll leave again.

I'll take a wild guess and assume you didn't actually read the thing.

Anyway, ithe thing was ok overall. Some cute moments. t pains me that you-know-who got pwned off-panel. And that museum-gal was creepy.

Glad Kurt got some but... le sigh... the only reason Sulfur Fetish Gal isn't an actual stalker is because she's too intellectual, lol.

[The Lucky One]

...should Illyana take this as a major diss, or what? She was on the New Mutants for years while Kurt was an X-Man and never once did he get his panties in a bunch over the fact that she could teleport multiple people anywhere in space and time; but suddenly this Welsh tart comes along with her weird eyes and free drugs and it's all "Oh no, I'm so useless, I must return to Germany and spend my remaining days yelling at neighborhood children to stay off my lawn."

If I were Illyana I'd cut a bitch for that.

-D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Been calling it since MC...

[TomBelandofTSSTG]

For the record, when I was a kid, I used to love to jump in the street after the city bus drove by and smell the fumes. I have yet to be able to explain it, but I dig that smell. Lily always rolls her eyes when a bus drives past.

So, I can see someone doing that. I know it sounds insane, but it's what makes him unique to her, so why wouldn't she be into that smell?

[Ryan W]

Hmm, well, if Fraction had written this it would have taken 5 issues and then ended nowhere.

Instead, at least we got the inconsequential story done in 1 issue.

[Petes Pants]

The sniffing was my favorite part.

[IronMagnus]

Yet another writer who can't pull a decent story from the incredibly rich and interesting aspects of this character. Kurt may just be the most misused character in the entire Marvel Universe.

[The Black Guardian]

For the record, when I was a kid, I used to love to jump in the street after the city bus drove by and smell the fumes. I have yet to be able to explain it, but I dig that smell. Lily always rolls her eyes when a bus drives past.

So, I can see someone doing that. I know it sounds insane, but it's what makes him unique to her, so why wouldn't she be into that smell?
Here in the New Orleans area, we've got a lot of Sulfur around (mines, etc.). In some areas (outside of the city), the water smells like it. I've always liked the smell.:redface:

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Enjoyed the art and glad to see a spotlight on kurt, but, like many have said, it was a nowhere story that said nothing. I would have preferred it if kurt wen't on wandering the world until he stumbled into London and teamed up witm M13.

But oh well. I'll keep my eye out for the art team.

[Valerie]

This was actually the first X-book in a long time that I wanted to read over and over, the first in a long time that made me actually feel happy rather than like I'd completely wasted $4. Who cares if it wasn't of consequence? I was glad to see Kurt getting his swashbuckling, fangirl-romancing, compassionate, jocular, day-saving heroic groove back, and I hope he keeps it.

As for that smooch with Miss Keller, can't a gentleman kiss a lady without people assuming his intentions are less than noble?

Still, it was far from perfect. The premise that Kurt was leaving the X-Men and the reasons for it were wrong, out of character, and kind of shoehorned by editorial likely for the purposes of toying with the fans. There were also a couple of other errors, but I was willing to overlook those because, well, it was the first superhero comic I'd bought in a while that was actually met what I consider the requirements of a superhero comic- it featured superpowered characters behaving heroically, and it was fun, rather than boring or depressing, to read.

[Pro]

For God's sake Marvel! When are you going to pull your head out of your backside for long enough to realise the world outside America is not as Disney tells you it is. I actually find it mildly offensive.

Just mildly?

[CJ Lentze]

Valerie, how is it possible that your post count doesn't show and your profile can't be accessed by a click on your user name?

Also, you guys, was it explained in this issue that 'Vielfraß' can mean either 'glutton' or 'wolverine'?

[Swashbuckler]

So will anything ever come of this Mephisto non-sense? Perhaps he'll be a big part of a Marvel cross-over and Kurt will be the champion??

[Valerie]

Valerie, how is it possible that your post count doesn't show and your profile can't be accessed by a click on your user name?

Wish I knew, so I could fix it.

[CJ Lentze]

Wish I knew, so I could fix it.Maybe the Q&A forum can help you with that: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24. Just start a thread to ask if anyone knows what the problem could be.

[Nachturne]

The curator of the museum put me off. I used to run a Nightcrawler site and I knew fangirls who were scary obsessed. One who claimed she was dating his "ghost", which had sex with her every night. So the whole sniffing thing was way creepy to me.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yet another writer who can't pull a decent story from the incredibly rich and interesting aspects of this character. Kurt may just be the most misused character in the entire Marvel Universe.

One of many, let's be honest. But fairly high up. Kurt could easily be an A-List X-Man again in the right hands. Heck he'd be a decent B-List Marvel Unioverse character. Such a waste.

Enjoyed the art and glad to see a spotlight on kurt, but, like many have said, it was a nowhere story that said nothing. I would have preferred it if kurt wen't on wandering the world until he stumbled into London and teamed up witm M13.

But oh well. I'll keep my eye out for the art team.

A trip to London would have made infinitely more sense, that's for sure. Mephisto even hangs out in England more than most places in the world, in past continuity.

This book was just lazy as a concept from start to finish. A complete waste of time.

Just mildly?

Well, as an Englishman I can at least live happy in the knowledge that one Marvel title is getting my country pictured in a more realistic light. If I were German this would have really got on my wick.

The curator of the museum put me off. I used to run a Nightcrawler site and I knew fangirls who were scary obsessed. One who claimed she was dating his "ghost", which had sex with her every night. So the whole sniffing thing was way creepy to me.

Ooookaay. Yes. That is creepy, now. :eek: :biggrin:

[Valerie]

Well, as someone who still has relatives living in Germany, I'd have to have been offended as far back as 1975, when the inhabitants of a fictional Bavarian (?) town were first portrayed as torch-wielding, superstitious xenophobes. Instead, I don't believe Winzeldorf was ever meant to represent all of Germany. Other parts of Germany were represented more positively in the comics.

[jester1436]

The curator of the museum put me off. I used to run a Nightcrawler site and I knew fangirls who were scary obsessed. One who claimed she was dating his "ghost", which had sex with her every night. So the whole sniffing thing was way creepy to me.

It sounds like the writer did research on Nightcrawler's fans to me.

[The Lucky One]

The curator of the museum put me off. I used to run a Nightcrawler site and I knew fangirls who were scary obsessed. One who claimed she was dating his "ghost", which had sex with her every night. So the whole sniffing thing was way creepy to me.

Funny how "ghosts" so often come in smooth plastic form and run on four double A batteries.

-D

[B. Kuwanger]

I don't normally avoid comics and just read spoilers, but I suspected that Nightcrawler would leave and then come right back. For $4.

[Valerie]

It sounds like the writer did research on Nightcrawler's fans to me.

Hey, don't mess with the 'Crawler fangirls, or I'll go and tell the Gambit fangirls you were talking smack about them.:wink:

[creaky]

So will anything ever come of this Mephisto non-sense? Perhaps he'll be a big part of a Marvel cross-over and Kurt will be the champion??

I would rather it just be quietly forgotten.

[The Black Guardian]

The curator of the museum put me off. I used to run a Nightcrawler site and I knew fangirls who were scary obsessed. One who claimed she was dating his "ghost", which had sex with her every night. So the whole sniffing thing was way creepy to me.
As if the "Blue Velvet" song doesn't have inherent creepiness to it after the movie of the same title, now I'm imagining some strange girl wearing Kurt's skin.:eek:

[Nachturne]

As if the "Blue Velvet" song doesn't have inherent creepiness to it after the movie of the same title, now I'm imagining some strange girl wearing Kurt's skin.:eek:

There are seriously some sick people out there. I was a moderator at this forum for three years, then an administrator another two years after and seriously, the only people who are creepier than Nightcrawler fangirls are Gambit fangirls.

[Prodigy55]

LOL I want to see these people!!

[creaky]

LOL I want to see these people!!

I am not posting my picture on the Internet!

[Valerie]

Anyway, I've always fancied myself to be a non-creepy fangirl, but then I've always had an overactive imagination.

Anyway, I wouldn't say Mephisto's appearance is all nonsense. Considering how Nightcrawler had refused a previous offer at the end of the third solo series (in a manner I could only wish Spider-man had followed!), it makes sense that Mephisto would turn up again to mess with him.

[Weapon Ick]

In the museum, what is the object that Nightcrawler hopes is just a replica?

[creaky]

In the museum, what is the object that Nightcrawler hopes is just a replica?

Widget from Excalibur. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget_(comics))

[KrullWall]

I'm sooooo happy for this incredibly important issue!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

In the museum, what is the object that Nightcrawler hopes is just a replica?

Widget. And you'd hope it wasn't real. Because that little guy was alive. It was also later tinkered with and controlled by Kang the Conqueror.

[Crimson]

Damn... I was hoping for Nightcrawler to join the Avengers.

[MuhollandDriver]

This issue is an example of the problems going on in the X-Universe.

i won't rehash anything, but if the X-World wants to even be on par with the Avengers, many things will have to change. One-shots with no purpose, like this one, just cannot happen.

[Sentinel K]

Yeah it was just a meaningless one-shot kinda like the ones that are released all the time for Wolverine. Not only but the art was really really below average IMO and it was solicited as an important plot for Kurt and that we would see where it would lead him in the future. And it didn't. Lame.

As far as I'm aware, the future hasn't happened yet.

[Vanish]

James Asmus. <3 <3 <3

[$5 Milkshake]

Yay! Kurt's gonna stay!

Boo! The issue is poo!

[CE_Rap]

this issue was a joke.

he should leave just on the merit of Marvel yanking his blue balls like this. What an old and cliched method-- you know this whole"leave the team behind--you don't need me anymore---o wait, someone needs help?--a new adventure?--I guess i am still a hero--okay, i'll stay"

cue loud FART noise--> Kurt deserves WAAAAY better

[Affinity]

I am not posting my picture on the Internet!

LOL! <333333

[darknessatnoon]

I liked this issue and consider many of you crazy. But that's nothing new. It was fun. The only truly terrible part was the Beast appearance at the end. It violated continuity. Everyone knows felines do not have thumbs.

[greenshoes713]

James Asmus. <3 <3 <3

Word!

I loved this comic!

Crawler fan girl was cute, I'm glad Kurt got to bang her.

[Michael P]

i guess Kurt fans would enjoy this, but most shouldn't bother.

I'm a Nightcrawler fan, and I thought it was utter bollocks. I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone at Marvel thought this story needed to be told.

[Sentinel K]

I actually enjoyed the story. I thought it was a fun read.

But i have no idea why it was a one-shot. Tales like these are exactly the kind of character moments that should be in the main Uncanny title.

There was no need for this to be a one-shot.

[drwho]

What I think is funny is how everyone was making jokes about nightcrawler feeling inept cus of pixie and here he goes showing up and teleporting and save the day because pixie magic isnt able to. This sounds like a nightmare.

[Raptor]

At least Kurt got laid.


Meh.

I agree, I read it, very meh.

Scott should have been all : "What? This about getting laid?"

"Shit! If I knew that I'd have just tagged you in on Emma long ago. Welcome back man. Seriously she's a revolving door. Dude..."

[4sake]

The artwork was pretty good, but in terms of the writing? This was poor.

It just goes to show how incredibly out of touch Marvel are with Europe. Little hamlet towns are far less prevalent than you'd think in modern Germany, and those which remain are far from as backwards as this picture postcard image. As I turned from page to page I kept thinking that surely no more cliches and stereotypes could be thrown into the mix.

But, no. GYPSIES!

For God's sake Marvel! When are you going to pull your head out of your backside for long enough to realise the world outside America is not as Disney tells you it is. I actually find it mildly offensive.

The story itself was pretty bland. The idea of a 'Nightcrawler Museum' was frankly a pretty silly starting point, but it didn't really get any better.

Even an appearance of Mephisto couldn't save it. And I love Mephisto.

I really wish that Marvel would stop putting one-shots like this out. They achieve nothing. Nightcrawler was clearly never going to leave the team. And the tone of this book just does not fit with the rest of the X-Men line right now.

I'm a huge Kurt fan, and yes it's great to see a characterisation of him where he's not some cloistered religious cliche. Great to see him in his swashbuckling and womanising persona - arguably the TRUE Kurt. But the story itself was just plain daft.

And not in a so-daft-it's-fun way.


I sorry you were offended, but I think u may have missed the point of why most the people in the town Kurt went to & the the town in it self were portrayed they way they were. U have to remember it only been like 7-9 years marvel time since Kurt left there. It was to show that not much as changed since he was there the last time & not to say/show that all German people are cliches and stereotypes, but that most of people there haven't changed or learned anything yet. A real life example is Forsyth County, Georgia (I live in & from Atlanta, GA ). In 1912 the white residents forced all the blacks citizens & mixed race citizens of that county to leave & if they didn't leave they were killed: Many of the people homes were burned down & land was stole with out them getting anything for it while some did get less than the home real value at the time.(PBS in a show about this a few years ago).

As of 2009 some member of the Forsyth community burn down another member of the community house & sprayed racially charged graffiti on a nearby fence because the people who burn down the house didn't like that the residents were supporter of President Obama. 97 years & so little has change in that town. Also as of today is still isn't a safe minorities place for to be after dark. So it shouldn't be so hard to believe the most people who are/were racist 7-9 years ago in marvel time wouldn't be still have similar way now in marvel time. So marvel/the writer is just saying this the kind of place Kurt lived in for a while.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth_County,_Georgia#Civil_Rights)

[Scavenger]

I thought it was a pleasent little comic...almost fun and light hearted...if you can call a comic centered around bigotry and teen sucide light hearted...

I liked the Kurt fan girl. It's nice to see someone remembers that Kurt's the fun X-Men the ladies go for, not the emo church dweller he's been cast as so often as late.

[Leirus]

I sorry you were offended, but I think u may have missed the point of why most the people in the town Kurt went to & the the town in it self were portrayed they way they were. U have to remember it only been like 7-9 years marvel time since Kurt left there. It was to show that not much as changed since he was there the last time & not to say/show that all German people are cliches and stereotypes, but that most of people there haven't changed or learned anything yet. A real life example is Forsyth County, Georgia (I live in & from Atlanta, GA ). In 1912 the white residents forced all the blacks citizens & mixed race citizens of that county to leave & if they didn't leave they were killed: Many of the people homes were burned down & land was stole with out them getting anything for it while some did get less than the home real value at the time.(PBS in a show about this a few years ago).

As of 2009 some member of the Forsyth community burn down another member of the community house & sprayed racially charged graffiti on a nearby fence because the people who burn down the house didn't like that the residents were supporter of President Obama. 97 years & so little has change in that town. Also as of today is still isn't a safe minorities place for to be after dark. So it shouldn't be so hard to believe the most people who are/were racist 7-9 years ago in marvel time wouldn't be still have similar way now in marvel time. So marvel/the writer is just saying this the kind of place Kurt lived in for a while.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth_County,_Georgia#Civil_Rights)

I do not think he means that. Of course there are problems and intolerance in Europe... that is real, and God only knows how often the Roma people ("Gypsies") have suffered that... but... as an European I also found offensive the portrayal of Europe (West Germany!) as a backwaters hole

Carruages ! Horses ! Gipsies taken from The Notre-Dame Hunchback !

And for the Heavens sake ! We do not go around with torches anymore !

Nearly every time we see Europe in the american comics is like the middle age all over again :mad:

[Twisted Bliss]

I do not think he means that. Of course there are problems and intolerance in Europe... that is real, and God only knows how often the Roma people ("Gypsies") have suffered that... but... as an European I also found offensive the portrayal of Europe (West Germany!) as a backwaters hole

Carruages ! Horses ! Gipsies taken from The Notre-Dame Hunchback !

And for the Heavens sake ! We do not go around with torches anymore !

Nearly every time we see Europe in the american comics is like the middle age all over again :mad:

Oh don't be so daft.

Of course us Europeans go around dressed in medieval clothing, and saying things like 'Foresooth'; 'where art thou'; 'thine art lovelier' and such stuff. We also still refer to the Americans as the 'Colonies'.

They in turn go around dressed as Davey Crockett and wear leather chaps, shoot native americans and keep slaves.

God Leirus you really need to keep up with the times !!

[Seres]

Oh don't be so daft.

Of course us Europeans go around dressed in medieval clothing, and saying things like 'Foresooth'; 'where art thou'; 'thine art lovelier' and such stuff. We also still refer to the Americans as the 'Colonies'.

They in turn go around dressed as Davey Crockett and where leather chaps, shoot native americans and keep slaves.

God Leirus you really need to keep up with the times !!

Verily I agree with this young gentleman. The very thought of anything else is enough to bring me quite to a faint!

[Twisted Bliss]

Verily I agree with this young gentleman. The very thought of anything else is enough to bring me quite to a faint!

But before we shall do any of this I suggest that we sit down to high tea. Cucumber sandwiches, fairy cakes and tea with lemon. Because that's what we do in Merry Olde England.

Not forgetting all the men wear bowler hats and all the women wear the pearly queen jackets (not that sort of pearly queen Flanny !)

Oh and we all have terrible teeth Mary Poppins was clearly the product of a sugarless upbringing. Explains why she dosed the kids with drugged sugar...hmm perhaps that was a Disney inspired way to get kids to try LSD !!

[MarvelGirlBoy]

I have a torch.
But really, with the size of modern cities, it's getting much tougher to run demons out of town.

I guess we'll just have to round them all up for London 2012.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I sorry you were offended, but I think u may have missed the point of why most the people in the town Kurt went to & the the town in it self were portrayed they way they were.

There's not really a why, though. Is there? My objection is to the crude caricatures and silliness of the whole town and townsfolk. The central premise was of gypsies turning a boy into a demon, and the townsfolk fearing it/trying fight it. This is not the 18th century. This kind of imagery and premise is tired, stupid, and a typical example of why Europeans tend to look down upon American comics as being of low artistic merit.

It would be like me writing a comic where my character visited new york, in which I represented ANY American town as large bustling cowboy town, complete with dusty dirt track roads, where all the characters introduced each other complete with 'Howdy!' and 'Yee-ha's. That would be equally as stupid and misinformed.

The bottom line is that when you throw that many cliches into a comic you cannot expect it to work and seriously draw much in the way of praise.

I do not think he means that. Of course there are problems and intolerance in Europe... that is real, and God only knows how often the Roma people ("Gypsies") have suffered that... but... as an European I also found offensive the portrayal of Europe (West Germany!) as a backwaters hole

Carruages ! Horses ! Gipsies taken from The Notre-Dame Hunchback !

And for the Heavens sake ! We do not go around with torches anymore !

Nearly every time we see Europe in the american comics is like the middle age all over again :mad:

Exactly. It's just plain stupid.

But before we shall do any of this I suggest that we sit down to high tea. Cucumber sandwiches, fairy cakes and tea with lemon. Because that's what we do in Merry Olde England.

Not forgetting all the men wear bowler hats and all the women wear the pearly queen jackets (not that sort of pearly queen Flanny !)

Oh and we all have terrible teeth Mary Poppins was clearly the product of a sugarless upbringing. Explains why she dosed the kids with drugged sugar...hmm perhaps that was a Disney inspired way to get kids to try LSD !!

Wow. This could have stepped right out of any Marvel US story set in Britain before 1990. :frown:

I have a torch.
But really, with the size of modern cities, it's getting much tougher to run demons out of town.

I guess we'll just have to round them all up for London 2012.

Some kind of effort is clearly necessary. I'd do it myself, but I'm busy waxing my Cricket bat while I listen to The Beatles... :wink: :mad:

[Ryan W]

Oh come on, who bought this comic not expecting the story to NOT be even a little bit trite?

[Scavenger]

Some kind of effort is clearly necessary. I'd do it myself, but I'm busy waxing my Cricket bat while I listen to The Beatles... :wink: :mad:

Hey! this is a family board! Keep that saucy talk to the max forums!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Hey! this is a family board! Keep that saucy talk to the max forums!

What are you talking about. I genuinely play Cricket. I am British after all. Therefore I obviously MUST do.

[Twisted Bliss]

What are you talking about. I genuinely play Cricket. I am British after all. Therefore I obviously MUST do.

Dude.... if you were waxing your bat whilst listening to the beatles I'd think there was something very VERY wrong with you.

We love Lulu for that !

[four_pi]

Upon completing the issue, this came to mind:

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10070/hibyeya6.gif

This, in reverse. Meh.

[AcesX1X]

be like me writing a comic where my character visited new york, in which I represented ANY American town as large bustling cowboy town, complete with dusty dirt track roads, where all the characters introduced each other complete with 'Howdy!' and 'Yee-ha's. That would be equally as stupid and misinformed.


don't want to rain on your parade too much, but everyone knows that new york is the center of the universe. no one could possibly mistake this city for what you just described it as, unless they were mentally handicapped in some way.

i'm sorry if whatever this place kurt went to doesn't have the same noteriety. perhaps they should work on their PR.

[darknessatnoon]

don't want to rain on your parade too much, but everyone knows that new york is the center of the universe. no one could possibly mistake this city for what you just described it as, unless they were mentally handicapped in some way.

i'm sorry if whatever this place kurt went to doesn't have the same noteriety. perhaps they should work on their PR.

I think he meant to describe Chicago.

[Leirus]

don't want to rain on your parade too much, but everyone knows that new york is the center of the universe. no one could possibly mistake this city for what you just described it as, unless they were mentally handicapped in some way.

i'm sorry if whatever this place kurt went to doesn't have the same noteriety. perhaps they should work on their PR.

Do you mean you do not have Saloons with revolving doors anymore?

[darknessatnoon]

Do you mean you do not have Saloons with revolving doors anymore?

They just got rid of the revolving door at Dominicks. Who designs a supermarket with a revolving door? It was a constant hazard.

[AcesX1X]

Do you mean you do not have Saloons with revolving doors anymore?

i'm sure they have them somewhere. try brooklyn.

[Michael P]

don't want to rain on your parade too much, but everyone knows that new york is the center of the universe. no one could possibly mistake this city for what you just described it as, unless they were mentally handicapped in some way.

i'm sorry if whatever this place kurt went to doesn't have the same noteriety. perhaps they should work on their PR.

Speaking as your fellow New Yorker, please shut up.

[darknessatnoon]

Speaking as your fellow New Yorker, please shut up.

This is good to know. Now if, God forbid, something apocalyptic ever should happen to New York, sure I'd lose friends and family, but in the back of my head there would be a consoling voice whispering "At least they got Michael P."

[Leogam]

If Kuts bamf smells like brimstone/sulfur (which usually tend to smell like rotten eggs) them how come the color of his teleportation bamf is purple instead of being yellow which is its natural color. And nightcrawlers skin should be of a darker shade of blue when compared to beast, I think the Ultimate version got it right

[The Black Guardian]

If Kuts bamf smells like brimstone/sulfur (which usually tend to smell like rotten eggs) them how come the color of his teleportation bamf is purple instead of being yellow which is its natural color.
Just because something smells like sulfur doesn't mean it is sulfur. Besides, the color of his bamf has more to do with the environment of the dimension he accesses.

Lastly, it's an error that sulfur smells like rotten eggs. Rotten eggs get their smell from hydrogen sulfide (same thing they put in natural gas to give it an aroma), which has a completely different smell. They're about as different as freshly cooked brownies and chicken soup. Sulfur smells like a match.

[Valerie]

^True, that. I always figured Kurt's bamf would smell more like a hot spring than rotten eggs. And yet with a few exceptions, I tend not to see yellow hot springs.

[Leirus]

Just because something smells like sulfur doesn't mean it is sulfur.

For some reason that seems even worse...

[Hypestyle]

hmm.. I'll eventually get around to grabbing this... though I'm insulted at the premise.. Nightcrawler's my favorite X-Man, and I am personally sick of the push for more fan-fave teleporters, Pixie, Blink, Psylocke, Deadpool (!?!?), etc.

Kurt's teleport powers should be amplified.. and give him back a pair of swords, preferably high tech..

[PunisherFan]

I don't know how to do the spoiler tags but might contain **SPOILERS**





I skimmed through it at the comic store. The art was good but the plot was weak. He quits the X-Men (which should be a major event) and then comes back by the end of the issue. And for $3.99? Heck no I don't think it's worth it at all