So, OK, Batman's dead and Superman's replaced

[Kid Kyoto]

AND a whole bunch of guys are going to fight over who gets to replace Batman while he's dead.

Hello 1994!

I imagine that this year Sinestro will break Hal Jordan's back in Lantern Fall and that Wonder Woman will go nuts and kill all the Amazons in Wonder Fall.

And Superman should start wearing biker shorts.

The 90s are back bay-bee!

[Lupek]

That (recycled) Wonder Woman idea works for me.

[B. Kuwanger]

Yeah...so my current DC pull list is REBELS.

[Warpsters]

Dare we hope for a return of the Super-mullet?

[Sir Tim Drake]

Here is my current DC pull list:

[Desaad]

I'm digging a lot of what is being put out by both companies these days. I'm very excited for both "Action" and "Superman", more than I have been in a LONG time, and am chomping at the bit for the Morrison batbook, along with the Dini series'.

So, for me, it's working.

[$5 Milkshake]

Psh we can rip on the nineties, and they may deserve it, but....90's DC >>>>>>>> current DC.

And I think I JUST realized how uninterested I am in Battle for the Cowl.

[Henker]

Do you know what we need now? Hip superhero teams that will feel badly dated in a decade.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9693/fcdancecv.jpg

[Kid Kyoto]

And I think I JUST realized how uninterested I am in Battle for the Cowl.

But...
But...

Battle for the Cowl will introduce hip young Batman, cyborg Batman, killer Batman and black Batman!

How can you not be interested?

It'll be the most exciting event of 2009, not counting when Barry's hand is eaten by piranas and he gets a hook.

[T Hedge Coke]

Do you know what we need now? Hip superhero teams that will feel badly dated in a decade.

You underestimate the excellence that is Most Excellent Superbat.

Also, schoolgirl outfits with wings ain't going out of style anytime soon. The fetishists wouldn't have it.

[SeritoNiN]

AND a whole bunch of guys are going to fight over who gets to replace Batman while he's dead.

Hello 1994!

I imagine that this year Sinestro will break Hal Jordan's back in Lantern Fall and that Wonder Woman will go nuts and kill all the Amazons in Wonder Fall.

And Superman should start wearing biker shorts.

The 90s are back bay-bee!

Hello 1994? I was thinking more like hello 2006. Wasn't this the entire premise to 52?

It's an idea that's been beaten to death. Yet it's continually done. I dunno what the thinking is. I will say in defense to DC, Superman is off earth but is still in a current continuity monthly, showing with what he's dealing with on new krypton, which is a different spin on an old idea.

And the superman thing has me interested. Battle for the Cowl I don't have much faith in. I'm STILL pissed at the whole Azrael/Batman thing from the 90's. That was just terrible.

[T Hedge Coke]

I'm STILL pissed at the whole Azrael/Batman thing from the 90's. That was just terrible.

It made its point pretty succinctly, I'd think. It took everything lots of people were insisting Batman would be improved by (chains, claws, killing and insanity, among them) and as soon as the majority of readers realized it wasn't what they wanted after all, Bruce came in as his simple, stripped down, batty self and kicked his impersonator around until it was all better again.

And the O'Neil penned novelization was one of the best Batman representations I've ever come across.

There's a Hero Replaced story about every seven to ten years for virtually every long-term serialized superhero to demonstrate the original's worth. Has been since at least the Fifties.

Tomorrow, Robin will cry because Batman is hanging out with Powerman instead. And someone's origin will be retold.

[comicstar100]

The 90s, hardly. I would say we are way closer to a modern silver age than bronze. Come on people Hal and Barry are The Flash and GL again, Aquaman is back to his sea horse riding self, Red Tornado and Firestorm are in the league, the multiverse has returned. For the love of god Adventure Comics even just got a reboot, nothing too 90s about that.

[COMIC GEEK]

AND a whole bunch of guys are going to fight over who gets to replace Batman while he's dead.

Hello 1994!

I imagine that this year Sinestro will break Hal Jordan's back in Lantern Fall and that Wonder Woman will go nuts and kill all the Amazons in Wonder Fall.

And Superman should start wearing biker shorts.

The 90s are back bay-bee!


gee thanks for the f-in spoilers :wink: :wink: :wink:

[4thHorseman]

Dare we hope for a return of the Super-mullet?

Did you see the Jurgens teaser from last year?

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4262/sdcc08dcpostcrisissuper.jpg

[robbieglenn]

Dare we hope for a return of the Super-mullet?

We can ALWAYS hope for its glorious return

[Slumber Hulk]

Battle for the Cowl seems like a decent idea to me even if its a certainty that Bruce will be back.

[comicstar100]

Battle for the Cowl seems like a decent idea to me even if its a certainty that Bruce will be back. Anything that gets the batfamily together is always fun, but can someone explain to me how Azreal is back?

[robbieglenn]

Anything that gets the batfamily together is always fun, but can someone explain to me how Azreal is back?

Different guy under the hood

[TJKernan]

1994?

That means I can get my issues of Ostrander & Mandrake's The Spectre.
Saaaaahhhhh-wwweeeeeettttttt!!!

[JolietJake]

If prices returned to $1.50 or thereabouts, I might be all for it.

[Babylon23]

I'm not seeing it in the Superman books. Supes is still around, he's just off planet. No death of Superman stories in sight.

Batman OTOH does seem very reminiscent of Knightfall/Quest/End

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

So who is taking supermans place? And why? Last time I saw him he was there alive and well at the end of FC.

And what the hell was that end with the old man and utility belt about at the end? Didnt they shoot the rocket off into space? If so why did some normal guy in the desert that looked just like bruce find the belt? Or is bruce even dead? Cause no one aside from a couple panels really seemed to give a shit, seemed like a odd response to batman biting the dust.

I guess I dont understand alot about this. I read all of FC and the spinoffs that grant wrote also but I still feel like it was real half assed with bus sized potholes in the storyline and seemed disconnected. Maybe just me though.

[Lorendiac]

It made its point pretty succinctly, I'd think. It took everything lots of people were insisting Batman would be improved by (chains, claws, killing and insanity, among them) and as soon as the majority of readers realized it wasn't what they wanted after all, Bruce came in as his simple, stripped down, batty self and kicked his impersonator around until it was all better again.

I definitely hadn't been asking for those things in Batman, but I bought "Knightfall" and "Knightquest" anyway.

Just how many actual readers of the Batman titles had been asking for those things? Where did you hear about this?

In retrospect, I feel that Jean Paul Valley moving in to become the Temporary Replacement Batman served more to show that Bruce was a terrible judge of character than it did to "prove" to me that Batman was great the way he was.

There's a Hero Replaced story about every seven to ten years for virtually every long-term serialized superhero to demonstrate the original's worth. Has been since at least the Fifties.

Something which might amuse you (or others reading this):

When I was buying "Emerald Twilight" as it came out, I took it for granted that it was just another Temporary Replacement Stunt, and that Hal Jordan's odd behavior would be rationalized away somehow within, say, another year or two.

I wasn't one of the people who claimed to hate Kyle Rayner from Day One. I didn't hate him for replacing Hal, because I never believed he was meant to do that for very long. I gave him a fair chance to impress me, read the first few issues of the GL title after Hal was out and Kyle was in . . . and felt Kyle was coming across as rather boring and uninspiring, the way Ron Marz was writing him. So I simply lost interest and quit reading the title; saying to myself: "In a year or two, when Hal is back, I'll give this title another look."

Given that those Temporary Replacement stories had recently been inflicted upon Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in those days, and given that I had previously seen or heard of similar things happening to other heroes (Captain America for about a year and a half in the 1980s, for instance), it simply didn't seriously occur to me that the guys at DC might be sincere about trying to make Kyle the new "permanent" star of the Green Lantern title!

[Scott Taylor]

How does Superman cut his super-hair anyways?

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

Do you know what we need now? Hip superhero teams that will feel badly dated in a decade.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9693/fcdancecv.jpg

Yeah, I hate reading books written for the moment, that don't give a thought for how they will be perceived in a decade.... not in my disposable entertainment, NO WAY!

[carabas]

So who is taking supermans place? And why?Mon-El will be filling in for him on Earth. He's going to move to New Krypton for a year or so to keep tabs on General Zod. And the New-Kryptonians area tad xenophobic so they won't let him stay there unles he renounces his ties to earth. which he does. Well, more accurately, pretends to go along with for now.

[Seraku]

So, OK, Batman's dead and Superman's replaced

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AND a whole bunch of guys are going to fight over who gets to replace Batman while he's dead.

Hello 1994!

I imagine that this year Sinestro will break Hal Jordan's back in Lantern Fall and that Wonder Woman will go nuts and kill all the Amazons in Wonder Fall.

And Superman should start wearing biker shorts.

The 90s are back bay-bee!

I'm still waiting for your point

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

I'm still waiting for your point

He's ragging on DC - it's what the cool kids do.

Who needs a point?

[T Hedge Coke]

Just how many actual readers of the Batman titles had been asking for those things? Where did you hear about this?

Just look at the letters pages or reviews from around that time. And, of course, the new movie Batman (as opposed to classic movie Batman from decaded earlier) was armored and killing. Twas the era of Spawn and that hawk-guy who kept breaking spines.

And O'Neil spoke openly about it as a plan in interviews and possibly in the intro to his novelization. It was going to shock Bruce into being human again, fallible but willing to deal with his emotional and physical urges (he kinda enjoys violence and sex, might need to trust people, should be kinder to his adoptive family). And it was the dickishness that he thought led Alfred to abandoning his post temporarily.

The backbreaking itself was an offhand comment by Peter Milligan, wasn't it?


In retrospect, I feel that Jean Paul Valley moving in to become the Temporary Replacement Batman served more to show that Bruce was a terrible judge of character than it did to "prove" to me that Batman was great the way he was.

I'm tainted by the excellent prose rendering, but yeah, in-comics, simply because more stuff was constantly going on (seven monthlies or whatever the tally was), Bruce seemed to've dropped the ball worse than necessary. Conceptually, though, I at least was really energized by the return.


It simply didn't seriously occur to me that the guys at DC might be sincere about trying to make Kyle the new "permanent" star of the Green Lantern title!

I remember pitching a Hal return to someone at a con, shortly into the Rayner era, and they weren't dismissive, which was kind (ah, impetuous youth!), but were very Kyle's here to stay about the whole thing.

I had to really laugh when Barry came back in Final Crisis and people were complaining that no one stays dead for more than a year! He's been dead (excluding appearances in the MU or in the Speed Force or whatever) for twenty plus years, but for some fans it apparently wasn't long enough.

[Kid Kyoto]

I really think Barry Allen's leg should be eaten by piranas. Then he could have like a peg-leg. ANd grow his hair long. And stop wearing shirts.

[Kid Kyoto]

I'm still waiting for your point


A-HA-HA-HA!

Writhe in torment as you wait in vain!
Stay awake nights as you ponder the meaning of this thread!

My evil plan has succeeded!

[Wind-Breaker]

Dare we hope for a return of the Super-mullet?

http://i43.tinypic.com/2rc72gn.jpg

[Anthony Z]

Do you know what we need now? Hip superhero teams that will feel badly dated in a decade.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9693/fcdancecv.jpg

Wait a second. We can't have the 90s retreaded and we can't have current, in the moment teams of hipsters? I guess we should stop buying comics then because there is nothing left. No past and no future. All hope is lost.

[Seraku]

also the Super Young Team have a long expiration date than the original concept of the Forever People that he came up with in the Sketchbook.

also they're "foreign" so dated kinda works for them instead of say a Disco Themed Teen Titans.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

also the Super Young Team have a long expiration date than the original concept of the Forever People that he came up with in the Sketchbook.

also they're "foreign" so dated kinda works for them instead of say a Disco Themed Teen Titans.

Could also keep updating them to keep them modern feeling, like most other characters...