Rebooting Fantastic Four (merged)

[arp2008]

Thank the high heavens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're going new with everything, baby. From the cast to the director to the story to the tone (which will imprudently be darker), the FF will have no ties to the previous egregious failures whatsoever. Hit the links below to learn more about Fox's plans to make a edgier and hopefully more aptly and competently casted FF film.

http://joblo.com/index.php?id=25465&s=&mode=showcomments&from=10

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6457&Itemid=99

[Toonimator]

Johnny and Ben were the only great parts of the first two films for me, and I was surprised I liked them so much considering my initial fanboy kneejerk hatred of a no-brow Thing and a brown-haired Torch. Johnny was still a bit too much of an ass in parts (like the 'mascot' comment about Ben on live TV) but those two came off fairly well. I still absolutely love the shaving cream gag on sleeping Ben, and Johnny's 'victory' gesture as he zips off. That's just a small part, sure, but it felt pretty true to the characters.

Reed, though, was more 'miss' than 'hit'. Too young & hip & in touch with society (especially that lame "hemi" product-placement gag in the sequel). And Alba never did much for Sue, especially with how creepy the contacts made her look in the sequel. Both characters had some good moments, but as a whole... eh. And Electro-Doom never sat well.

I'll have to read the articles when I get home, but a fresh start might not be bad; 'darker' though?

[twilight]

Man,I hope they aren't going with darker.

The Fantastic Four is meant to be about adventure and discovery,grim and gritty misses the whole point.

-Twi

[KiFF86]

It's still Fox......look at their track record.

[ultramandingo]

..........get pixar to do it - again

[mr.brighteyes]

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/nuwanda77/wesley.jpg Alexis Denisof as Reed

http://www.celebritus.com/data/media/295/Mercedes_McNab_020.jpg Mercedes McNabb as Sue

[arp2008]

..........get pixar to do it - againAll jokes aside, Pixar should get a stab at the FF considering their phemonimal job on The Incredible's movie.

[arp2008]

Alexis Denisof as ReedToo much of a pretty boy.

Mercedes McNabb as Sue PERFECT.

[mr.brighteyes]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/54/Logan_Echolls.jpg

as Johnny

[Conn Seanery]

Before people jump to conclusions at the mention of the word "darker", I hope they actually read what the article says:
The franchise is looking to be "less bubble gum" this time round following the Iron Man template, which was a complete success in reviews and box office take but a bit darker when it came to its superhero. Iron Man was in no way as dark as The Dark Knight but was funny, action-y as well as a bit on the serious side.
That hardly seems like something to get bothered about.

[mr.brighteyes]

Too much of a pretty boy.

PERFECT.


Aparently you haven't seen the last part of season three/all of season four he does the dark brooding sort well. My other choice is George Clooney but he is too old.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

When all else fails, reboot it.

Personally have no interest in another one, regardless it will still be a boring special effects buffet thats probablly light on a well written story and interesting characters.

Even iron man as pretty good for a comic movie as it was border walked that fine line between being a good movie and being a movie made to cash in with kids by being family friendly. Fantastic four just has to much room for family friendly antics for me to put alot of stock in another one. Not to say it should be rated R but when you make something thats kids safe, sterile, and dumbed down then pack in a shitload of fancy effects all you did was guarntee I wont buy the dvd or reccomend it to anyone.

Why start over though? Damn thing hasnt been out that long. They are rebooting everything these days, first it was prequels now its reboots. Shit they also announced today a reboot of red dawn and missing in action, 2 movies that dont need one. Im sure they are both gonna be iraqi based pro america bullshit.

[Ontir]

They need to find a woman to play Sue this time, not a chick.
They also need to hire Goran Visjnic to play Doom.

[Samuraixsithlord]

maybe they'll not turn Dr. Doom into Lex Luther this time around.

[arp2008]

maybe they'll not turn Dr. Doom into Lex Luther this time around.
Maybe they'll actually have a Latvarian dictator this time with a Latvarian accent. Wouldn't that be nice?

[pariah-1972]

Maybe they'll actually have a Latvarian dictator this time with a Latvarian accent. Wouldn't that be nice?What does a latvarian accent sound like?

[mr.brighteyes]

Transilvanian

[kmeyers]

When all else fails, reboot it.

Personally have no interest in another one, regardless it will still be a boring special effects buffet thats probablly light on a well written story and interesting characters.

Even iron man as pretty good for a comic movie as it was border walked that fine line between being a good movie and being a movie made to cash in with kids by being family friendly. Fantastic four just has to much room for family friendly antics for me to put alot of stock in another one. Not to say it should be rated R but when you make something thats kids safe, sterile, and dumbed down then pack in a shitload of fancy effects all you did was guarntee I wont buy the dvd or reccomend it to anyone.

Based on the comics, what on earth would make you think that the Fantastic Four movie should or would ever be even close to being rated R?

The Incredibles is a perfect example of how a FF movie should be done. Family friendly, kid safe, and yet not sterile or dumbed down at all.

[pariah-1972]

TransilvanianMaybe as long as it doesn't make him sound like a Dracula parody.

[Jared]

Unless they wait another five or six years, I think this a mistake. In hindsight, rebooting Punisher was a bad idea. They should just make a new FF movie with a better script and director. Recast Sue and maybe Doom. Everybody else is fine.

[mr.brighteyes]

They need to find a woman to play Sue this time, not a chick.
They also need to hire Goran Visjnic to play Doom.

McNabb is 29 most certainly a woman.

alba was 25 and 27 when they made her ff movies. By the time the new one makes into production McNabb will be 30 or 31 Well old enough to play Sue.

[lonewolf23k]

If there's a new movie, I say it shouldn't cover the origin story. Just include a short recap of it at the beginning, hint at a few years' worth of Adventures and Exploration, and catch up with the Fantastic Four a few years after Reed and Sue's marriage, with Franklin as a 5-7 year old kid running around the Baxter Building, doted over by his mother, father and Uncles Ben and Johnny.

Or heck, why not have Sue and Reed already married with a child when the origin story happens? You could have a touching scene where young Franklin walks up to the Thing, sees his eyes, and instantly goes "Unca' Ben?", causing Ben to tear up and smile, knowing there's still at least a part of him that isn't inhuman...

In short, focus on the FFs being a Family more then a Team.

[kalorama]

Is there a law that mandates that every comic book movie casting thread must include an obligatory suggestion to cast former cast members from a Joss Whedon show, regardless of how ill-suited they may be to the roles?

[kalorama]

Unless they wait another five or six years, I think this a mistake. In hindsight, rebooting Punisher was a bad idea.

No, in hindsight making a Punisher movie was a bad idea.

[ultramandingo]

What does a latvarian accent sound like?

......jeremy irons

[mr.brighteyes]

Is there a law that mandates that every comic book movie casting thread must include an obligatory suggestion to cast former cast members from a Joss Whedon show, regardless of how ill-suited they may be to the roles?

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1. Medium Raw (2008) (post-production) .... Gillian Garvey

2. "Criminal Minds" .... Brooke Lombardini (1 episode, 2009)
- Cold Comfort (2009) TV episode .... Brooke Lombardini
3. Dark Reel (2008) .... Tara Leslie
4. XII (2008) .... Vicki
5. Vipers (2008) (TV) .... Georgie
6. "Psych" .... Viki Jenkins (1 episode, 2008)
- Daredevils! (2008) TV episode .... Viki Jenkins
7. Thirst (2008/I) .... Atheria
8. "Supernatural" .... Lucy (1 episode, 2007)
- Fresh Blood (2007) TV episode (as Mercedes Mcnab) .... Lucy
9. "Reaper" .... Holly (1 episode, 2007)
- Love, Bullets and Blacktop (2007) TV episode .... Holly
10. The Pink Conspiracy (2007) .... Jamie
11. "Crossing Jordan" .... Natalie Carson (1 episode, 2007)
- In Sickness & in Health (2007) TV episode .... Natalie Carson
12. Hatchet (2006) .... Misty
13. Miles from Home (2006/II) .... Ginger
14. "Angel" .... Harmony Kendall (18 episodes, 2001-2004)
... aka Angel: The Series (USA: long title)
- Not Fade Away (2004) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Power Play (2004) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- The Girl in Question (2004) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Time Bomb (2004) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Origin (2004) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
(13 more)
15. "Run of the House" .... Katie (1 episode, 2004)
- Undercover Brother (2004) TV episode .... Katie
16. "Boston Public" .... Mickey Tanner (1 episode, 2002)
- Chapter Thirty-Eight (2002) TV episode .... Mickey Tanner
17. "Dawson's Creek" .... Grace (1 episode, 2002)
- Downtown Crossing (2002) TV episode .... Grace
18. Beer Money (2001) (TV) .... Echo Olvera
19. "Walker, Texas Ranger" .... Heather Preston (1 episode, 2001)
... aka Walker (Australia)
- 6 Hours (2001) TV episode .... Heather Preston
20. "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" .... Harmony Kendall (16 episodes, 1997-2001)
... aka BtVS (USA: promotional abbreviation)
... aka Buffy (USA: short title)
... aka Buffy, the Vampire Slayer: The Series (USA: long title)
- Crush (2001) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Fool for Love (2000) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Family (2000) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Out of My Mind (2000) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
- Real Me (2000) TV episode .... Harmony Kendall
(11 more)
21. White Wolves III: Cry of the White Wolf (2000) .... Pamela

22. "Touched by an Angel" .... Jill (1 episode, 1998)
- Last Dance (1998) TV episode .... Jill
23. "USA High" .... Denise Miller (1 episode, 1998)
- Date Auction (1998) TV episode .... Denise Miller
24. Escape from Atlantis (1997) (TV) .... Claudia Spencer
25. Savage Land (1994) .... Hanna Morgan
26. "The Adventures of Brisco County Jr." .... Shannon Trahern (1 episode, 1994)
... aka Brisco County Jr.
- Brooklyn Dodgers (1994) TV episode (as Mercedes Alicia McNab) .... Shannon Trahern
27. The Fantastic Four (1994) .... Young Susan 'Sue' Storm
28. Addams Family Values (1993) .... Amanda Buckman
29. "Harry and the Hendersons" .... Lisa (1 episode, 1992)
- The Genius (1992) TV episode .... Lisa
30. The Addams Family (1991) .... Girl Scout

Someone thought she fit the bill. and the only reason I suggested Denisof is because someone else suggested it first and I thought it fit.

[kmeyers]

......jeremy irons

With a robotic hint to it as well.

[kalorama]

Copying and pasting her imdb profile doesn't actually prove anything. And the fact that she played Sue as a teenager in a crappy low budget B-movie adaptation doesn't make her a good choice for the lead now. If anything, the fact that she appeared in that abomination should automatically disqualify her.

[the_coldest_sun]

someone already changed the title of this thread...wow

[Assemble]

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Paradox]

kalorama gets the obvious answer:

Is there a law that mandates that every comic book movie casting thread must include an obligatory suggestion to cast former cast members from a Joss Whedon show, regardless of how ill-suited they may be to the roles?

Yes. :tongue:

[Caanan]

I agree with lonewolf.

If they're going to remake it so close to the previous attempts, it has to be different enough to avoid comparisons. So, start straight out with the FF as the world renowned adventure team they are. Already married, with a 7 year old Franklin, and his two bickering uncles. :o) (And I appreciate what they tried to do with the Thing, keeping it as a guy in a suit, etc. but come on, a gigantic CGI monster would be awesome, and they don't even have to try to simulate skin, hair, etc. He's rock! It should be easy!)

And it should have Mole Man. (Or is that, Underminer? ;o) With a sub plot about the emergence of Franklin's powers.

I don't know why, but journeying to the center of the Earth to take on a deranged scientist is more believable than an alien threat.

[Bouncing Boy]

Here's my cast

Mr Fantastic/Reed Richards
http://rosesblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/hugh-laurie.jpg
Hugh Laurie

Invisible Woman/Sue Storm
http://www.seriesadictos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tn2_gretchen_mol_4.jpg
Gretchen Mol

The Thing/Ben Grimm
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/john_goodman.jpg
John Goodman...okay hear me out on this one, give him a personal trainer and get him to slim down and muscle up a bit, and he would be the perfect Ben Grimm

Human Torch/Johnny Storm
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gMfDCcKP8X4/SV_a8XbcfmI/AAAAAAAADKI/LgcJZAXxEvU/s320/seth+green.jpg
Seth Green

I'll post my villains and supporting cast in a moment

[pariah-1972]

Here's my cast

Mr Fantastic/Reed Richards
http://rosesblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/hugh-laurie.jpg
Hugh Laurie

Invisible Woman/Sue Storm
http://www.seriesadictos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tn2_gretchen_mol_4.jpg
Gretchen Mol

The Thing/Ben Grimm
http://www.sliceofscifi.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/john_goodman.jpg
John Goodman...okay hear me out on this one, give him a personal trainer and get him to slim down and muscle up a bit, and he would be the perfect Ben Grimm

Human Torch/Johnny Storm
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gMfDCcKP8X4/SV_a8XbcfmI/AAAAAAAADKI/LgcJZAXxEvU/s320/seth+green.jpg
Seth Green

I'll post my villains and supporting cast in a momentI like your pix but you put a lot of well known funny type people in there so it could turn out to be a comedy especially with Seth Green.

I really like your Gretchen Mol chick she is pretty but womanly and classy looking.

[Brian Cronin]

Before people jump to conclusions at the mention of the word "darker", I hope they actually read what the article says:

That hardly seems like something to get bothered about.

Yeah, I was totally put off by the whole "darker" thing until I read the article and saw that "darker" just meant that they were going to make it less campy, and the FF movies were REALLY, REALLY campy.

So I'm definitely down with that.

-Brian

[StoneGold]

Maybe they can just wait until Fox loses the rights and Marvel Films regains them?

[QuietRiver]

Transilvanian

Doom speaks with a Transilvanian accent? ...wow.

[StoneGold]

I like to think Doom talks like Destro from GI Joe. So a black dude trying to sound Eastern European, except then they say the character is Scottish.

[DLD369]

John Goodman made me smile.

But anywho, this lesson should be taken to a couple other movies....Spider-Man? X-Men? God X-Men 3 was awful, and Gwen Stacey wasn't even in Spider-Man..that kind of bothered me. I won't even get started on Spider-Man 3.

[Bouncing Boy]

Villains...

Victor Von Doom
http://www.retroland.com/retrotalk/userfiles/logo%282%29.jpg
Tim Curry

The Puppet Master/Philip Masters
http://www.kontinuum.cz/klub/images/shimerman_01.jpg
Armin Shimerman

I was going to put up someone for Alicia, but then I realized I couldn't think of anyone

[Bouncing Boy]

I like your pix but you put a lot of well known funny type people in there so it could turn out to be a comedy especially with Seth Green.

I really like your Gretchen Mol chick she is pretty but womanly and classy looking.
Yeah, I guess I did put people who can do comedy, but there is comedy in Fantastic Four, particularly between Ben and Johnny, and the actors I chose can also play serious roles. Also Seth Green is a comic-book fan, so I'm relatively sure he would want to remain faithful to the comic.

[drwho]

I dont believe the ff franchise was a bomb. also yeah who needs a dark ff. no thanks I actually liked the second movie a lot.

[Black Atom]

Not sure where the whole "Doom sounds like Dracula" thing came from. The 90s cartoon maybe? I guess that's where we first got the Doc Ock sounds like Col. Klink thing, too.

[Jared]

Given where Latveria is on the map (that I recall), if anything he should sound Serbian.

Seth Green would be a much worse Johnny Storm than Chris Evans. Other than the hair, Evans actually looks the part, and he plays the role well. Johnny Storm is handsome, athletic and brash. Nothing things you'd associate with Seth Green.

Mercedes McNab is good at playing a bimbo, but other than that she's not all that great an improvement over Alba in the acting department. Ok, she'd look more natural as a blonde, so there's that.

[Andreas Tanis]

I thought the last franchise was okay if you only look at it as mindless entertainment. However, I really hated McMahon as Dr. Doom so I'm so glad this is coming to fruition.

[StoneGold]

Not sure where the whole "Doom sounds like Dracula" thing came from. The 90s cartoon maybe? I guess that's where we first got the Doc Ock sounds like Col. Klink thing, too.

Well, there is a pretty direct link in Ultimates. But he should have some kind of Eastern European accent. Unless he's Doom, and Doom has mastered the Californian accent.

[Andreas Tanis]

I really hate when he has a sort of Transylvanian accent, but it's even worse to have him be an American, and through one faint reference to where he may have been from. Boy, I tell ya....that version of Doom was atrocious.

[pariah-1972]

As long as it's eastern european sounding without being campy i'm fine.

[GRANT!]

Eh... I guess if they get a good director I can get excited. But it's still Fox.

[meethraa]

Why start over though? Damn thing hasnt been out that long. They are rebooting everything these days, first it was prequels now its reboots. Shit they also announced today a reboot of red dawn and missing in action, 2 movies that dont need one. Im sure they are both gonna be iraqi based pro america bullshit.
What people keep calling "reboots" makes complete sense when it comes to comic book adaptations, I think. After all, isn't that exactly what happens when a creative team changes on a book: a new direction; new take on characters; sometimes a retcon or two that actually changes things like the hero's origin; etc etc?

Bothers me not. Especially in cases like FF, when the original movies were basically a huge wasted opportunity dressed as a crappy couple of films.

Plus, Jessica Alba grosses me out.

[J. Robb]

They don't need to redo the origin, just do a better movie with a better cast.

And have Doom sit out the next one.

[Deathstroke]

Wow, you mean they may actually make a good movie instead of the lukewarm leftovers that made up the first two movies?

[Shellhead]

We would all be better off if the Fantastic Four rebooted Fox.

[Stressfactor]

The movie would improve vastly if they A) Don't make Doom a Norma Osbourne knock-off and B) Actually make sure the script doesn't have huge, gaping plot holes you could drive a fully laden semi through.

[Mr.EZ]

Get Mark Waid to write it. I loved his and Mike Wieringo's run on FF a few years back.

[mr.brighteyes]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/24/09/0000002409_20060919155041.jpg

http://www.csiguide.com/images/emily-procter_2.jpg

http://www.linmu100.com/upimg/userup/0709/021421121614.jpg

http://s5.tinypic.com/34t48k1.jpg

[mr.brighteyes]

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/palm/blog/jalexander_375x375.jpg as The Mole Man

They really need to leave Doom out of the first movie. Keep the origin similar to the original origin and have the FF fighting a Giant Monster in New York

[Darrell D.]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they are gonna want big name actors, not favorites from <insert cult favorite show>.

[Alex]

Gotta wonder how the public is going to handle this relaunches if they become more common.
Remeber all the people we made fun of for not understanding Batman Begins and how it was a relaunch?

[pariah-1972]

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/24/09/0000002409_20060919155041.jpg

http://www.csiguide.com/images/emily-procter_2.jpg

http://www.linmu100.com/upimg/userup/0709/021421121614.jpg

I don't know who that chick is but she is hella creepy looking dude, she looks like a female Joker
:eek:
probably had too much plastic surgery.

[mr.brighteyes]

I don't know who that chick is but she is hella creepy looking dude, she looks like a female Joker
:eek:
probably had too much plastic surgery.

How dare you talk about my wife like that. All jokes aside Emily Proctor is from The West Wing/CSI Miami and Breast Men. Obviously I can't show any pictures of her from that movie.

[pariah-1972]

How dare you talk about my wife like that. All jokes aside Emily Proctor is from The West Wing/CSI Miami and Breast Men. Obviously I can't show any pictures of her from that movie.One of my friends gave me that movie but i don't think i watched it all the way thru.

[mr.brighteyes]

One of my friends gave me that movie but i don't think i watched it all the way thru.

Mind you I've never actually seen the movie but I have seen pics. I prefer her character in The west Wing

[pariah-1972]

Mind you I've never actually seen the movie but I have seen pics. I prefer her character in The west WingThe movie is not all bad from what i saw but the title is sort of sucky.

[mr.brighteyes]

Mind you I've never actually seen the movie but I have seen pics. I prefer her character in The west Wing


The fact of the matter is there are so many blond actresses you could cast for the role of Sue Storm-Richards it just depends how old the character is supposed to be. And I don't agree that you need major stars to make the ff movie cause people are going to see it regardless of who is in it.

http://l.yimg.com/img.tv.yahoo.com/tv/us/img/site/44/62/0000034462_20061020235716.jpg poppy montgomery

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/piper-perabo/piper-perabo-20060424-124588.jpg piper perabo

http://members.tripod.com/nealj_3/phillips.jpg Busy Phillips

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/scanner/2008/10/16-22/michelle-williams-picture-1.jpg Michelle Williams

[pariah-1972]

I want someone who has a Milf quality to them.
Thats how i have always seen Sue

[mr.brighteyes]

http://gagathemovies.com/cast/Hugo%20Weaving.jpg Namor

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/3216521371_de1cb60983_b.jpg

You could always have the Inhumans as the villains Ray Park would make a great Black Bolt

[mr.brighteyes]

I want someone who has a Milf quality to them.
Thats how i have always seen Sue


Are you telling me non of them are milfs. because with the exception of perabo they are all moms

[pariah-1972]

How dare you talk about my wife like that. All jokes aside Emily Proctor is from The West Wing/CSI Miami and Breast Men. Obviously I can't show any pictures of her from that movie.I think that's just a bad picture all the others i'm looking at she looks nice.

[Jettison]

They need the nerdy Star Trek science angle....Agent Smith as Namor is actually a really cool suggestion!

[mjhayman]

Get Mark Waid to write it. I loved his and Mike Wieringo's run on FF a few years back.Oh, brilliant! Anyone who needs a larf should get ahold of FF #521. Johnny gets Sue's powers, which are then cosmically amped as he's made the new Herald of Galactus. Being a thoughtful kind of a guy, he naturally tries to elicit support in opposing The Big G. On the ocean world of Aquion he's met with the reply, "we're fish," and on the ice planet Silocus, the ornery denizens immediately state, "we surrender." The best is saved for last, of course, when Johnny believes he's found a suitably snackable world devoid of intelligent life only to be laid low by a psychic bug attack. Recognizing their plight, the wee residents descend into panic.

"The ENDTIME OF THE HOLY CRUSHING is UPON us! Spray the ALERT!"

"Take US if you MUST, but we BEG of you -- spare the LARVAE!"

I kind of like the idea of Alexis Denisof as Reed, even moreso than Hugh Laurie (of whom I've been a fan for donkey's ears). No strong opinions on the cast but I am so smitten with Piper Perabo that she can play any role she likes. Bummer she's been in so many crap films.

A reboot might be a good idea, but it's starting to get confusing. Ang Lee's Hulk was supposed to have been supplanted with the Penn/Norton version but there are elements in that film, which we now assume to be Marvel Movie Canon (Fury & Stark's cameo), which indicate that the Ang Lee film was/is "canon", however daffy that may be. My brain hurts. Still, as a lifelong FF fan it'd be nice to see a thoughtful treatment on the screen; preferably one that doesn't insist on overutilizing "Ultimate" elements (which I sort of took Electric Doom to be). Seriously, they have to steal a rocket to someplace in order to get powered up. It gives the team, and especially Reed, a slightly subversive quality that's in keeping with his barely contained mad genius.

Latvaria? (Tried to find it with googlymaps but a fusion cannon immediately fried the satellite.)

[mr.brighteyes]

Oh, brilliant! Anyone who needs a larf should get ahold of FF #521. Johnny gets Sue's powers, which are then cosmically amped as he's made the new Herald of Galactus. Being a thoughtful kind of a guy, he naturally tries to elicit support in opposing The Big G. On the ocean world of Aquion he's met with the reply, "we're fish," and on the ice planet Silocus, the ornery denizens immediately state, "we surrender." The best is saved for last, of course, when Johnny believes he's found a suitably snackable world devoid of intelligent life only to be laid low by a psychic bug attack. Recognizing their plight, the wee residents descend into panic.

"The ENDTIME OF THE HOLY CRUSHING is UPON us! Spray the ALERT!"

"Take US if you MUST, but we BEG of you -- spare the LARVAE!"



I kind of like the idea of Alexis Denisof as Reed, even moreso than Hugh Laurie (of whom I've been a fan for donkey's ears). No strong opinions on the cast but I am so smitten with Piper Perabo that she can play any role she likes. Bummer she's been in so many crap films.

A reboot might be a good idea, but it's starting to get confusing. Ang Lee's Hulk was supposed to have been supplanted with the Penn/Norton version but there are elements in that film, which we now assume to be Marvel Movie Canon (Fury & Stark's cameo), which indicate that the Ang Lee film was/is "canon", however daffy that may be. My brain hurts. Still, as a lifelong FF fan it'd be nice to see a thoughtful treatment on the screen; preferably one that doesn't insist on overutilizing "Ultimate" elements (which I sort of took Electric Doom to be). Seriously, they have to steal a rocket to someplace in order to get powered up. It gives the team, and especially Reed, a slightly subversive quality that's in keeping with his barely contained mad genius.

Latvaria? (Tried to find it with googlymaps but a fusion cannon immediately fried the satellite.)


I didn't know that they stole a rocket in the original origin story

[Toonimator]

What does a latvarian accent sound like?
"Hallo, WE're the RO-mans!"

[mjhayman]

I didn't know that they stole a rocket in the original origin story"We have to beat the commies to the Moon!" (or similar) They snuck into the launch site under cover of darkness. I'm a bit vague on who was supposed to blast off and when, but Reed wasn't taking any chances letting the filthy Reds show up America again (what with Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin). Ben warned them of the danger of the Cosmic Rays, of course. Yep, he warned 'em. TAC-TAC-TAC!!!

[DonC]

Gotta wonder how the public is going to handle this relaunches if they become more common.


But look at how well the Hulk and Punisher reboots went. Box office gold, there. And with the success of the first two FF films this is money in the bank.

[Norrin Radd]

^This is sarcasm?

[Jared]

I'm sure that was sarcasm. Though I thought Hulk did decent box office and pretty good on DVD. The previous movie hurt it more than anything else. I had to assure friends it was nothing like that.

Emily Procter is a looker, but she always has a southern accent. Breast Men is actually about the guys who did the first implants, IIRC. I thought hers were real.

In all likelyhood a reboot would follow the Ultimate route more, which means an even younger team. But at least Doom might keep the damn mask on.

The Norton Hulk has some references to Ang Lee's version, the completely redone origin makes it clear that it's a separate continuity.

[Norrin Radd]

The Hulk reboot should have taken place five years down the road. It's true that many people were thinking of it as a sequel instead of a reboot. I'm not sure if the movie really even knew what it wanted.

Just so, this FF film should take place about 10 years down the road. Otherwise, it'll just confuse people who still have the other movies fresh in their minds. We can use the time between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins as a standard for what works, here. That was about an 8 year gap and even then people were still wondering if it was a continuation and not a reboot. Hopefully the extra time between FF movies would also help people forget the last two. :wink:

[mr.brighteyes]

I all likelyhood a reboot would follow the Ultimate route more, which means an even younger team. But at least Doom might keep the damn mask on.


I sure hope not. That was the problem with the last two movies they had them to far from the origin.

[pariah-1972]

The Hulk reboot should have taken place five years down the road. It's true that many people were thinking of it as a sequel instead of a reboot. I'm not sure if the movie really even knew what it wanted.

Just so, this FF film should take place about 10 years down the road. Otherwise, it'll just confuse people who still have the other movies fresh in their minds. We can use the time between Batman and Robin and Batman Begins as a standard for what works, here. That was about an 8 year gap and even then people were still wondering if it was a continuation and not a reboot. Hopefully the extra time between FF movies would also help people forget the last two. :wink:

They said it was a separate continuity but then the thing started off right where the last one left off:confused:

[kalorama]

The Norton Hulk has some references to Ang Lee's version, the completely redone origin makes it clear that it's a separate continuity.

but other than the origin, there was nothing about the more recent one that couldn't have been linked up to the end of Ang Lee's version. It was really only a "reboot" on the most superficial level.

[Andreas Tanis]

But look at how well the Hulk and Punisher reboots went. Box office gold, there. And with the success of the first two FF films this is money in the bank.

The Hulk actually did do pretty well at the box office....both movies did, but the Punisher didn't the second time around. I'm not sure if the F4 films will do as good the next time around, unless they are much, much better in quality and not mostly aimed at children.

[Mr.EZ]

The only real choice for Mr. Fantastic.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3285/colbert.jpg

[maczero]

I like to think Doom talks like Destro from GI Joe. So a black dude trying to sound Eastern European, except then they say the character is Scottish.Bah! I still say Destro was from the West Indies and was actually the "uncola" guy from those old 7-Up commercials.

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

No, in hindsight making a Punisher movie was a bad idea.Three have already been made, as were three FF movies. There is no looking back.

Anyway, why the hell should the next movie be darker? The Fantastic Four comic book stories have always been adventurous, light-hearted, but just serious enough. The original Corman-produced FF movie captured that spirit, but the budget and horribly disjointed story hurt it. And the two Fox FF movies captured the...well nothing except the Johnny Storm/Ben Grimm banter.

Don't make the movies darker. Make them intelligent. As for casting, keep Chris Evans as the Human Torch. He was perfect. Have the thing be larger with a more rocky appearance dammit! If you have to CG it, CG IT!!

[nieman]

Keep Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis....hell, have them spin-off into their own adventures. But they captured their characters' personas and relationship. The reason the movies weren't good because they did absolutely nothing in both films. I don't think a reboot is necessary, maybe a recasting of Sue and Dr. Doom (or leave them out altogether), and give them a serious threat. As for Ben's size, I really don't have a problem with it. It fluctuates so much depending on the artist, but I think 6' stocky thing is the most consistent.

Anyway NO REBOOT, Thing & Torch Adventures instead

[ForeverTaskmaster]

Chiklis and Evans should remain in the reboot. The rest I don't really care about. Chiklis IS The Thing and Evans IS The Torch.
However, I hope that Galactus won't be a cloud if they decide to use him in a reboot.

[mjhayman]

The only real choice for Mr. Fantastic.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3285/colbert.jpg

Heh. Only if he gets to tell Sally, I mean Sue, "that was almost... churlish!" A cameo by Patrick Warburton as "Super Kill-guy" wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

[Mr.EZ]

Heh. Only if he gets to tell Sally, I mean Sue, "that was almost... churlish!" A cameo by Patrick Warburton as "Super Kill-guy" wouldn't be a bad thing, either.

Hey, if they're rebooting, they might as well play it up as much as they can and go balls to the wall crazy.

[kalorama]

Three have already been made, as were three FF movies. There is no looking back.

Of course there is. That's what hindsight means.

[Superbeast]

Keep Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis....hell, have them spin-off into their own adventures. But they captured their characters' personas and relationship. The reason the movies weren't good because they did absolutely nothing in both films. I don't think a reboot is necessary, maybe a recasting of Sue and Dr. Doom (or leave them out altogether), and give them a serious threat. As for Ben's size, I really don't have a problem with it. It fluctuates so much depending on the artist, but I think 6' stocky thing is the most consistent.

Anyway NO REBOOT, Thing & Torch Adventures instead

I kind of agree, the only missteps for me were Alba as Sue and MacDonald as Doom. Ioan Gruffod is a good actor but had some very patchy material to work with.

[choptop]

maybe have the FF fight a FF villain whos not DRDOOM.

[pariah-1972]

maybe have the FF fight a FF villain whos not DRDOOM.Mole Man or Puppet Master could work easily.

[spoon_jenkins]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.

[kalorama]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.

I think quite a few people enjoyed them. I did. But, as is usually the case, the voices of the critics tend to speak the loudest.

[Mr.EZ]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.

I liked em enough, but they really seemed more like "The Human Torch & His Amazing Friends" than Fantastic Four.

And the Galactus cloud made me vomit.

Doom was also weak as hell.

[blackdragon6]

It's still Fox......look at their track record.agreed.....

[blackdragon6]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.the second one was decent but ultimately underwhelming....

[Deep_Sleeper]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.

I really enjoyed the hell out of the second movie. It was a lot of fun.

[Damiean Dark]

the second movie was good but after wathning Doc Manhatten in Watchmen i now think Silver Surfer was a dead duck in comparison Cudrup was amazing in voice and that sad otherworldness the surfer should have had:frown: .

[ForeverTaskmaster]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies.
I also like the movies, but some things could have been done better. I liked the FF movies better than for example X-Men 3 and the Dark Knight.

[mjhayman]

the second one was decent but ultimately underwhelming....An apt encapsulation. Who among us weren't geeked to the point of near-spontaneous cranial implosion to have a live action Silver Surfer in these heady days of pretty good CGI (I say "pretty good" because in five years, give or take, we'll be chuckling about it's quaintness)? It was my estimation that both non-comics people and those only casually aquainted with the medium were pretty ramped about ol' Smurfy on the big screen. I only saw it on DVD (and only once shortly after it was released) but he did look pretty good. The basic story they hung on him was okay if somewhat uninspired, and seemed to lack logic or tension (a rather large failure given Reed's presumed logic and the natural tension associated with the anticipation of being eaten by a ravenous space cloud). Doom was very poorly utilised. Still, there were enough bits, like the power swap and suchlike, to keep it nominally entertaining, and they did play up the "family" aspect that seemed to be missing from the first film.

Despite my earlier hope that a reboot will be a little less "Ultimate", I didn't mind the analogue to Warren Ellis' Gah-Lak-Tus (as opposed to having a big purple guy showing up wearing a bib and complaining about the service). If anything they should have kept the film version closer to the Ultimate one, but seemed to want it both ways, and then some.

I was disappointed to have seen Andre Braugher in another borderline evil and sort of pathetic role, which seems to be his meat and potatoes these days (he was a drag on the otherwise not bad film "The Mist"). He was nothing less than awesome in Homicide until they gave him a stroke and he began his jerky career (playing jerks). Knowing nothing about the man, perhaps he's an actual jerk and he's being typecast, though I'd prefer not to believe that.

On the other, other hand, just as I'm not happy about paying to see Watchmen knowing Moore's position, I had, have, and will continue to have problems with some Marvel properties being adapted given Jack Kirby's scandalous treatment right up until his death. I don't know what deal, if any, that Roz ultimately hammered out, but if I were to be convinced that a chunk of the gross (has gone/will go) to Kirby's heirs, then a big monkey will be lifted off of my shoulders and full steam ahead for Marvel Goes Hollywood.

[Stressfactor]

I thought the second movie was a lot stronger than the first. My biggest problem with the first movie was the plot holes. I HATE plot holes with a passion. When they're small and easily glossed over I'll swallow it if the movie is fun enough but the plot holes with the first FF movie were just too huge and glaring and distracting.

Also, while Ioan IS an excellent actor (Check out the Horation Hornblower series he did for A & E -- it's stunning all around) to me he was a little young to be playing traditional, mainstream Reed Richards (as opposed to Ultimate Reed Richards) and Ioan himself admitted in the cast commentary to the first movie that he had a lot of trouble with the fact that director Tim Story would change big chunks of dialogue on the DAY of filming and wanted more improvisation and Ioan was putting in HOURS with a voice coach to change his British accent to an American one and he would practice and practice and practice with the script to make sure he was pronouncing things right -- so asking him to improv and changing dialogue was incredibly difficult for him.

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

It seems like I'm the only person who generally liked the FF movies. I too, liked them, but with reservations.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I actually thought Chris Evans did a great job as Johnny Storm. I would definitely like to keep him on the F4 franchise, if possible.

Everyone else, IMO, is replaceable. Even Michael Chiklis, who's pretty good, feels off in that movie. Mostly cuz he's such a small guy. :)

[arp2008]

Thing should be CGI. With todays technology(assuming this new franchise has an adequete budget) they can achieve a seemlessly realistic and hulking Thing. To put someone in a body suit as Chiklis was robs him of the monstrous physicality he possed in the comics. It the frst couple films he was much too small and never appeared to gave the strength he was supposed to. And, needless to say, the damn suit looked like plastic at times. Whatmore, his visage was too amiable and decent looking in the first too films. He needs to look, not grotesque, but not goodlooking, either. Just a god mix of both to feel pathos for a guy who is still willing protect those who mock and fear him coldheartedly. Thoughts?

[kalorama]

He should absolutely not be CGI, but he should be taller than 5' 8".

[arp2008]

He should absolutely not be CGI, but he should be taller than 5' 8".You think another plastic suit will suffice? Highly unlikely.

[kalorama]

You think another plastic suit will suffice? Highly unlikely.

And this prediction is based on what, exactly?

[mr.brighteyes]

Didn't we just get a CGI thing in watchmen and everybody complained. :D

No I don't know If they do a CGI thing it might be done well but I'd be fine with another suit.

[pariah-1972]

And this prediction is based on what, exactly?You mean to tell me you actually thought his suit looked like actual rocks instead of rubber or plastic?

[pariah-1972]

Didn't we just get a CGI thing in watchmen and everybody complained. :D

No I don't know If they do a CGI thing it might be done well but I'd be fine with another suit.I haven't seen anyone complain about the cgi in that movie.

[kmeyers]

He should absolutely not be CGI, but he should be taller than 5' 8".

He definitely should be much taller than 5'8, but no need to go CGI like with the Hulk.

I had no real problems with the suit, other than a few lighting problems in a couple scenes.

http://www.superhero-zone.com/assets/images/marvelmisc/FF-UltThing-Bust.jpg

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/fantastic/charposter2.jpg

[mr.brighteyes]

I haven't seen anyone complain about the cgi in that movie.


Thats funny a lot of people complained about the CGI thing in watchmen.

[pariah-1972]

Thats funny a lot of people complained about the CGI thing in watchmen.Well i haven't seen anyone complain about it here or in any of the reviews.

[kalorama]

You mean to tell me you actually thought his suit looked like actual rocks instead of rubber or plastic?

It looked about as much like rocks as a CGI creation would. However it looked moved and emoted more like a person than a CGI creation would.

And, strictly speaking, the Thing's skin isn't actually made of rocks.

[arp2008]

Didn't we just get a CGI thing in watchmen and everybody complained. :D What are you talking about?

[lonewolf23k]

He should absolutely not be CGI, but he should be taller than 5' 8".

That can be handled easily with camera angles and the same kind of trickery they used for the Lord of the Rings movies.

But CGI would work best for Thing's fight scenes.

[mr.brighteyes]

What are you talking about?

Well obviously I can't post a picture of it but Dr. Manhattan had a CGI Thing for most of the movie.

[arp2008]

He definitely should be much taller than 5'8, but no need to go CGI like with the Hulk.

I had no real problems with the suit, other than a few lighting problems in a couple scenes.

http://www.superhero-zone.com/assets/images/marvelmisc/FF-UltThing-Bust.jpg

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/fantastic/charposter2.jpgYea, theres no doubt now that a CGI Thing is a must to make him as convincing as possible. A suit will simply not cut it. They need to treat him as they would the Hulk and put some serious work into developing his look, markedly if the reboot will completely overhaul the series and treat the source material with even a modicum of respect.

[arp2008]

Well obviously I can't post a picture of it but Dr. Manhattan had a CGI Thing for most of the movie.:confused: Say that again. Are you talking about Dr. Manhattens "thing"?

[mr.brighteyes]

:confused: Say that again. Are you talking about Dr. Manhattens "thing"?

Yeah dude it was a joke that got beaten worse than a dead horse

[pariah-1972]

It looked about as much like rocks as a CGI creation would. However it looked moved and emoted more like a person than a CGI creation would.

And, strictly speaking, the Thing's skin isn't actually made of rocks.What is made out of then?

[kalorama]

That can be handled easily with camera angles and the same kind of trickery they used for the Lord of the Rings movies.

Yeah, that's the same thing people said when I made the same observation before the first movie was released. Didn't work out that way, did it?

[kalorama]

What is made out of then?

Whatever phony pseudo-scientific name Marvel gave to the made up organic compound that the cosmic rays covered Grimm's body with, but it's not literally rocks.

[kalorama]

Yea, theres no doubt now that a CGI Thing is a must to make him as convincing as possible.

Yeah, because CGI-generated people always look completely convincing standing next to the real thing.

[mr.brighteyes]

4 October 1969, Indianapolis, Indiana, USA Birth Name Abraham Rubin Hercules Benrubi Height 6' 7" (2.01 m) Is an avid comic book collector.

He is perfect

[arp2008]

It looked about as much like rocks as a CGI creation would. However it looked moved and emoted more like a person than a CGI creation would.
You're kidding, right? So a Hulk suit would have look no better than the CGi creation? Is this what you're saying?

[arp2008]

Yeah, because CGI-generated people always look completely convincing standing next to the real thing.Assuming that's saracsm, it depends on on how good that CGI used is. Transformers looks pretty damn astonishing next to the real life people. Thing could be no worse, perhaps even better.

[pariah-1972]

Whatever phony pseudo-scientific name Marvel gave to the made up organic compound that the cosmic rays covered Grimm's body with, but it's not literally rocks.Phony?? Psuedo -scientific??? what are you trying to say here pal? that you can't turn into a rock like organism by being bombarded with cosmic rays?:mad:

[mr.brighteyes]

never mind

[kalorama]

Assuming that's saracsm, it depends on on how good that CGI used is. Transformers looks pretty damn astonishing next to the real life people. Thing could be no worse, perhaps even better.

(A) The Transformers were robots not people. The Thing isn't a robot. (B) Of course it could be worse.

[mjhayman]

Well obviously I can't post a picture of it but Dr. Manhattan had a CGI Thing for most of the movie.Pretty slow on the uptake, aren't they? Sad, really. :wink:

[mgs]

as long as sue storm is not a dark skinned asian/hispanic lady, this shouldn't be so bad.

[Paradox]

arp2008 must be seeing something I'm not:

Yea, theres no doubt now that a CGI Thing is a must to make him as convincing as possible. A suit will simply not cut it. They need to treat him as they would the Hulk and put some serious work into developing his look, markedly if the reboot will completely overhaul the series and treat the source material with even a modicum of respect.

He looked fine. As has been mentioned, I don't think CGI would look better, just wonkier.

[kalorama]

as long as sue storm is not a dark skinned asian/hispanic lady, this shouldn't be so bad.

She wasn't a "dark skinned asian/hispanic lady" in either of the last two.

[nieman]

He looked fine. As has been mentioned, I don't think CGI would look better, just wonkier.

I'm anti-CGI Thing. The suit looked fine, and its not like CGI would look better or even as convincing. I hope they go with Chiklis again, but they can add about 4-5 inches to its size. Like 2 inches to the feet, and make the head a tad larger.

[arp2008]

He looked fine. As has been mentioned, I don't think CGI would look better, just wonkier. I think most of you are of the same line of thought because you have yet to see how a compently created CGI Thing would look. With enough money, time and competence it'd undoubtably surpercede the look of a mere unconvincing body suit. Since everything will be started from scrath with this reboot we may very well see a CGI Thing as opposed to a restrictful suit. Not only that, we may, too, see Invisible WOMAN(Alba looked too young for the part and sophmoric for the part), a BLONE haired Johnny, plus a villian who'll force the team into more extended and numerous superheroic donnybrook. My choice for next villian: Mole Man. His mosters could provide some spectacular fights for the FF and his story could even lend him some gravitas and empathy for us to understand if not relate.The best villians are the ones who think they're truly the good guys and I think the Mole Man may fit the mold. Thoughts?

[pariah-1972]

I'm sorry but anyone who says the regular Thing suit looked fine needs a new set of glasses.
It looked like a cheap rubber suit that was painted to look rock like.

Not to mention the actor is way too short.

[Andreas Tanis]

I agree with him being too short but I thought the suit looked just fine. You can say all the childish comments you want about "needing new glasses" but a large majority of people thought the suit was perfect, even people who hated the movie.

[arp2008]

I'm sorry but anyone who says the regular Thing suit looked fine needs a new set of glasses.
It looked like a cheap rubber suit that was painted to look rock like.

Not to mention the actor is way too short.All the more why CGI would be sensible direction to take the character, especially given that there restarting the whole shebang.

[kalorama]

. . .you have yet to see how a compently created CGI Thing would look.

Which makes us different from you how, exactly?

[Andreas Tanis]

I don't think CGI is particularly the way to go. When in doubt, it seems everyone's answer is to use CGI.

[kalorama]

I don't think CGI is particularly the way to go. When in doubt, it seems everyone's answer is to use CGI.

Or to have Christopher Nolan direct.

[arp2008]

I don't think CGI is particularly the way to go. When in doubt, it seems everyone's answer is to use CGI.
For a character like the Thing CGI only seems the most logical way to portray him given his size and texture. I know I've asked this before, but how good would Hulk have look were he merely a guy in a suit? Not very, I imagine.

[Paradox]

I thought the CGI Hulks looked totally wonky, so that may not be the best comparison. I guess we just look at things differently.

BTW, Chiklis may be a little short, but the Thing isn't as big as everyone seems to think. He's broad and bulky, but he's only 6' tall. Reed's taller than the Thing.

[The Batman]

I agree with him being too short but I thought the suit looked just fine. You can say all the childish comments you want about "needing new glasses" but a large majority of people thought the suit was perfect, even people who hated the movie.

Even the height didn't bother me, reading the old Lee/Kirby stories I got used to a Thing that didn't tower over the rest of the Fantastic Four.

I thought the suit worked just fine. And really, I'm sure if they put enough effort into it, they could probably get a CGI Thing to work just fine too. How they'll get the Thing on screen is probably one of the last things they should be worried about. Certainly, it should come after having a good, fun story to tell.

[pariah-1972]

I agree with him being too short but I thought the suit looked just fine. You can say all the childish comments you want about "needing new glasses" but a large majority of people thought the suit was perfect, even people who hated the movie.I don't think it was a childish comment at all i just don't understand how anyone could have found that suit believable.

[kalorama]

BTW, Chiklis may be a little short, but the Thing isn't as big as everyone seems to think. He's broad and bulky, but he's only 6' tall. Reed's taller than the Thing.

That may be what it says in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, but pretty much every FF artist since Kirby has drawn the thing so that he stands taller than every other member of the group.

[kalorama]

For a character like the Thing CGI only seems the most logical way to portray him given his size and texture. I know I've asked this before, but how good would Hulk have look were he merely a guy in a suit? Not very, I imagine.

Apples and oranges. The one has nothing to do with the other. They're two completely different characters with completely different looks and (just as importantly) personalities.

[Andreas Tanis]

I don't think it was a childish comment at all i just don't understand how anyone could have found that suit believable.

It's called having an opinion, just deal with it. A lot of people found the suit believable, some didn't, it's all up to personal opinion, and mine is that the suit looked perfectly fine.

As for the Thing's height, kalorama is correct, ever since Kirby's interpretation of the Thing, not many artists have drawn him to be shorter than the other members of the group. I think it makes him more intimidating if he's taller than the other members. He should be at least 6'5 or so.

[The Batman]

For a character like the Thing CGI only seems the most logical way to portray him given his size and texture. I know I've asked this before, but how good would Hulk have look were he merely a guy in a suit? Not very, I imagine.

The Hulk, in the movies, gets used a lot differently than the Thing does. Ol' Jade Jaws does a lot of running and jumping and smashing but that's about it. Very little acting or emoting or emotional interaction with the rest of the characters in the movie. That's left to whomever is played Dr. Banner. The ever-loving blue-eyed Thing gets in his clobberin' time sure, but he's also got to interact and emote with everybody else in the movie too.

[kalorama]

The problem with a CGI Thing isn't how "convincing" the rocks look (which is a pretty useless standard since he's not literally made of rocks, and there's no objective criteria against which to compare whatever he is made of). It's about how believable Ben Grimm would be as an actual human being doing normal, mundane things. Unlike the Hulk, Ben only looks like a mindless brute. He still behaves, thinks, moves, and emotes like a normal human being. It's those kinds of subtleties that purely CGI figures often fall short on, and it was in that department that Chiklis did his best work.

[Andreas Tanis]

Thank you. *hands out cookie* Someone gets it....

We saw in the last two films how well a suit for the Thing could turn out, and how well the character could be portrayed if you got someone who understood the material and wasn't saying he was a fan for the sake of it. Chiklis was amazing as the Thing and no matter your feelings towards the films, good or bad, he stayed true to how the character was portrayed. There were subtle things he did that reminded me of the comics, and it all came through on screen.

They need to repeat that process. Don't get someone who claims to be a huge fan of the comics and then completely fuck over the character like McMahon did. I swear, he literally raped Dr. Doom....one of the best villains in comic history shouldn't be reciting lines like "Marco...Polo...."

[pariah-1972]

I think we have seen with Dr. Manhatten that a cgi character can express human emotions just as well as a real one.

[kalorama]

I think we have seen with Dr. Manhatten that a cgi character can express human emotions just as well as a real one.

I haven't seen Watchmen yet, but if I recall the book correctly (and I haven't read it since its original publication, so it's entirely possible I'm not) one of the primary character points of Dr. Manhattan is that his attainment of God-like power results in the him losing touch with his human emotions.

[kalorama]

They need to repeat that process. Don't get someone who claims to be a huge fan of the comics and then completely fuck over the character like McMahon did. I swear, he literally raped Dr. Doom....one of the best villains in comic history shouldn't be reciting lines like "Marco...Polo...."

Can't really blame McMahon for Doom. He didn't write the part. He played the character he was given to play.

[pariah-1972]

I haven't seen Watchmen yet, but if I recall the book correctly (and I haven't read it since its original publication, so it's entirely possible I'm not) one of the primary character points of Dr. Manhattan is that his attainment of God-like power results in the him losing touch with his human emotions.Yes but there was times were he acknowledged his own human emotions like when he was on Mars with Laurie.

[Andreas Tanis]

Dr. Manhattan is a bad example because as said above, he's essentially someone who has been through such an ordeal that he's lost touch with his human emotions. Here he is with these Godly powers, but he's forgotten how to be human...how to convey emotion or show he cares.

The Thing, while looking like a brute, is constantly showing different emotions, something Dr. Manhattan doesn't do a lot. Again, bad example.

[pariah-1972]

Dr. Manhattan is a bad example because as said above, he's essentially someone who has been through such an ordeal that he's lost touch with his human emotions. Here he is with these Godly powers, but he's forgotten how to be human...how to convey emotion or show he cares.

The Thing, while looking like a brute, is constantly showing different emotions, something Dr. Manhattan doesn't do a lot. Again, bad example.He showed plenty of human emotion in the film someone can say something and do another and obviously thats where he falls in.

[Andreas Tanis]

Can't really blame McMahon for Doom. He didn't write the part. He played the character he was given to play.

There have been many instances where actors were given shitty lines to work with, but still made their character come alive. McMahon didn't do that in the slighest, and the movie version is an abomination.

I enjoyed the first two movies but there are a lot of flaws. Thank God we won't see Tim Story anywhere near the new movies.

[kalorama]

I found the films entertaining if lightweight, which seemed to be the intention. For all of their flaws (and there were many), I found the general lack of grim (no pun intended) angst rather refreshing.

[The Batman]

I don't think McMahon was given much of anything to work with. Their Doom just seemed wrong and broken right from the get go.

I'd hope that any new movie does a better job with Doom and with capturing some of the Lee/Kirby mad crazy energy from those first stories.

[The Batman]

I found the films entertaining if lightweight, which seemed to be the intention. For all of their flaws (and there were many), I found the general lack of grim (no pun intended) angst rather refreshing.

Yeah, they weren't good, but they were fun and that's worth something. I thought one of the best things about them was the interplay between Ben and Johnny.

[Andreas Tanis]

I liked how accurate the relationship with Ben & Johnny was. A little after I saw the first movie, I went back and read a boatload worth of FF comics from when Stan Lee & Kirby were working together, and was amazed at how spot on it was.

[arp2008]

Dr. Manhattan is a bad example because as said above, he's essentially someone who has been through such an ordeal that he's lost touch with his human emotions. Here he is with these Godly powers, but he's forgotten how to be human...how to convey emotion or show he cares.

The Thing, while looking like a brute, is constantly showing different emotions, something Dr. Manhattan doesn't do a lot. Again, bad example.Dr. Manhatten did smile once or twice in the film. He's a fitting example of how adeptly CGI can convey even the slightest emotion.

Its baffling how fervently against CGI most of you seem to be despite how seemless it is these days coupled with the terrible suit Chiklis wore in the previous couple films. Seriously. You guys are talking like its the late 90's or something. Its quite astoning how narrow-minded you guys are being.

[Andreas Tanis]

Who said I'm against CGI? I LOVE CGI. I think it's awesome, and very nifty in many movies, but I don't see the point in using it when a prosthetic & make up type of suit has been shown to work just as well.

[arp2008]

Who said I'm against CGI? I LOVE CGI. I think it's awesome, and very nifty in many movies, but I don't see the point in using it when a prosthetic & make up type of suit has been shown to work just as well. So THATS where all the contention is eminating. Okay. Even so, its hard to imagine you guys think make up and whatnot would make for a better Think than him being built from scratch using todays incredible technology. Granted, if the film is poorly budgeted he'll look like crap, but if its backed by a decent amount of money envision how awesome he'd look on screen. The presence he'd have. He's probably look liek he's strong to enough to actually stop a semi trailer tuck in its tracks. Wouldn't that be a cool? A Thing who look as strong as he should be.

Speaking of which, in the latest FF, shouldn't Thing have been able to lift that ferris wheel himself?

[The Batman]

Didn't he stop a tractor trailer in its tracks in the first movie?

[arp2008]

Didn't he stop a tractor trailer in its tracks in the first movie?Yea, so doesn't that mean he should have been able than lift that ferris wheel singlehandedly?

[Paradox]

kalorama may have seen something recent:

That may be what it says in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, but pretty much every FF artist since Kirby has drawn the thing so that he stands taller than every other member of the group.

You'd be pretty much wrong there.

[arp2008]

You'd be pretty much wrong there.Care to prove it?

[Andreas Tanis]

He can't, all he's about is saying someone's wrong and not being able to prove it. He said there was something wrong with me for having different views on different performances in superhero movies.

More often than not these days the Thing has been drawn to be a bigger guy than the rest of the group.

[The Batman]

Yea, so doesn't that mean he should have been able than lift that ferris wheel singlehandedly?

I dunno, maybe?

Thing is, a ferris wheel is a big, unwieldy thing. The Thing might've been able to handle the weight all on his own, but he might not have been able to keep it from falling over or falling apart on his own.

[Andreas Tanis]

So THATS where all the contention is eminating. Okay. Even so, its hard to imagine you guys think make up and whatnot would make for a better Think than him being built from scratch using todays incredible technology. Granted, if the film is poorly budgeted he'll look like crap, but if its backed by a decent amount of money envision how awesome he'd look on screen. The presence he'd have. He's probably look liek he's strong to enough to actually stop a semi trailer tuck in its tracks. Wouldn't that be a cool? A Thing who look as strong as he should be.

Speaking of which, in the latest FF, shouldn't Thing have been able to lift that ferris wheel himself?

I do agree that with the right amount of money sank into it, a CGI Thing could be really cool to see and awesome, but I would just prefer we get an actor to do it instead. It wouldn't ruin the movie for me if he was CGI or anything, and I wouldn't hate seeing it, I'd just rather they keep up what we got with the suit in the previous two movies, but crank it up a few notches and make the suit appear to look even better than before. That's all I'm saying.

[arp2008]

I do agree that with the right amount of money sank into it, a CGI Thing could be really cool to see and awesome, but I would just prefer we get an actor to do it instead. It wouldn't ruin the movie for me if he was CGI or anything, and I wouldn't hate seeing it, I'd just rather they keep up what we got with the suit in the previous two movies, but crank it up a few notches and make the suit appear to look even better than before. That's all I'm saying. I can't see a suit working. That just me. I'd greatly prefer an actor with a green screen suit on as they did with Golem on LOTR. That would work.

[Paradox]

arp2008 says to put up or shut up:

Care to prove it?


I've only just started looking, but I came up with two different artists right off the bat (Romita, Buscema) that made him look "normal" sized.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/66/28409_20060428081100_large.jpg

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/66/28419_20060428081542_large.jpg

But like I said, I just STARTED looking (before you posted, in fact). I'm sure I'll find more. I remember that being something I noticed in the '70s and '80s was that Ben wasn't all that tall (later confirmed by the Handbook).

[arp2008]

I've only just started looking, but I came up with two different artists right off the bat (Romita, Buscema) that made him look "normal" sized.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/66/28409_20060428081100_large.jpg

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/66/28419_20060428081542_large.jpg

But like I said, I just STARTED looking (before you posted, in fact). I'm sure I'll find more. I remember that being something I noticed in the '70s and '80s was that Ben wasn't all that tall (later confirmed by the Handbook).He looks pretty much as he does today. I guess had something else in mind.

[Paradox]

Andreas Tanis loves to flap his gums:

He can't, all he's about is saying someone's wrong and not being able to prove it.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

He said there was something wrong with me for having different views on different performances in superhero movies.

I did? Or did I just disagree with you?

More often than not these days the Thing has been drawn to be a bigger guy than the rest of the group.

"These days" isn't "every artist since Kirby". I'm sure I'll run into a whole lot of awful, distorted stuff when I get up to the '90s. :biggrin:

[Andreas Tanis]

I love how immature you are in that you change the quote to try to insult someone. You're seriously the only person I've seen do it here, it's not funny, it's not smart, and it's not clever.

Second of all, you did clearly say there was probably something wrong with me for having a differing opinion.

[Paradox]

Andreas Tanis doesn't care for it:

I love how immature you are in that you change the quote to try to insult someone. You're seriously the only person I've seen do it here, it's not funny, it's not smart, and it's not clever.

It's an affectation. A bit. A gag. Don't take it so seriously.

Second of all, you did clearly say there was probably something wrong with me for having a differing opinion.

Can you point that out? Because I usually avoid doing things like that (I'll admit I've slipped on that in the past, though, and certainly don't deny the possibility).

[Paradox]

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/9/3600_20051110222549_large.jpg

Byrne (iffy...I'm having a hard time finding covers that show a good comparison, and that's all I have to work with at the moment)

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/152/13240_20061222070325_large.jpg

Sienkiewicz

[Paradox]

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/67/28592_20060428132225_large.jpg

Better Byrne example...provided you tilt your head, of course. :tongue:

[Andreas Tanis]

And I quote:

"Andreas Tanis makes me wonder:"

That comment just doesn't rub me the right way, dude.

[Paradox]

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/51/28661_20060309181916_large.jpg

Uncle Walt (Simonson) has him a lot bigger here, but that was an odd era where he kept changing appearance and this may even be a Thing-suit. I don't recall. We'll give you this one anyway.

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/67/21197_20060428143055_large.jpg

Walt, again, this time not drawing him taller, but a heck of a lot bulkier.

[Paradox]

Andreas Tanis really reads a lot into things:

And I quote:

"Andreas Tanis makes me wonder:"

That comment just doesn't rub me the right way, dude.

That??? That's saying something is wrong with you? It doesn't refer to you at all. That's the kind of generic thing I put when I don't have something topical or witty (IMHO) to say. I don't recall the context, but it's probably questioning the validity of what you were saying, not saying something was wrong with you.

[Paradox]

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/67/27561_20060428160717_large.jpg

Ryan (shorter than Black Bolt, who's 6' 2")

That's what I'm finding in the original run. arp already ceded the point, so I trust that's enough to make the point.

[pariah-1972]

A lot of those pictures have him bent at the knee's or scrunched over.

[Paradox]

Yes. And in most of those, scrunched over, they have him at about Sue's height and she's 5' 6", according to the Handbook.

What can I say? Best I can do with covers. They didn't place characters in a line-up style in most of the covers back in the day. He's certainly not towering over folks if you unbend his limbs.

[pariah-1972]

Yes. And in most of those, scrunched over, they have him at about Sue's height and she's 5' 6", according to the Handbook.

What can I say? Best I can do with covers. They didn't place characters in a line-up style in most of the covers back in the day. He's certainly not towering over folks if you unbend his limbs.True but seeing him be shorter than just about everyone else in a movie is a lot different than a comic to me.


then again i'm not the biggest FF fan.

[Paradox]

Oh, sure. I never denied that at 5' 8 1/2" (reported...short guys sometimes exaggerate on IMDB), Chiklis is very much on the short side.

[pariah-1972]

Oh, sure. I never denied that at 5' 8 1/2" (reported...short guys sometimes exaggerate on IMDB), Chiklis is very much on the short side.:frown: yes thats how tall i am:frown:

[Andreas Tanis]

Hmm...weird that people are so short these days...I'm 15 and 5'9, bordering on 5'10, not that I'm bragging.

I still think the Thing should be made taller in the new movies.

[arp2008]

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/9/3600_20051110222549_large.jpg
Whens the last time we've had a GOOD Spidey and FF team up?

[Paradox]

Andreas Tanis has misinformation:

Hmm...weird that people are so short these days...

They're not. In fact, average height (in the US, anyway) for males has gone up to 5' 9 1/2" from 5' 8" in 1960.

[EZMOHR]

Uhm...I thought The Thing was only supposed to be 6'00" at most in the comics. He's not supposed to be a giant monster like The Hulk.

Oh, and I hope Cliff Curtis as Namor is the "villian" of a new FF4 movie.

[Paradox]

EDIT: Oops. I'm confusing myself board hopping. Nevermind.

[arp2008]

Guys, this is how the Things size should be in relation to the team. Only Sue is in this pic with thim, but you get a good idea of how big I think he needs to be and why CGI is more suited to bring this look and size to life. Incidentally, this is one of my all-time favorite pics by the peerless Steven McNiven! Check it out.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/501448-thing_invisible_woman_steve_mcniven01_super.jpg

[Paradox]

I disagree, but then you already know that. I see no reason the Thing should be Hulk sized.

[EZMOHR]

The Thing is supposed to be broad and wide yes...but he isn't supposed to be tall.

I think people are very hopeful for this re-boot if it happens, and that is fine, but if I understand it right, the reason this is coming about is counter to why people want it to work. Fox is doing it over so it DOESN'T go back to Marvel. The same with Daredevil and The X-Men. So, from the way I'm reading it(and I'm most likely wrong) people's hopes of RDJ or Ed Norton or Sam Jackson walking into a scene or two just aren't gonna happen. I hope that is wrong, cause I think that could be awesomely cool.

[arp2008]

I disagree, but then you already know that. I see no reason the Thing should be Hulk sized.Are you kidding? Isn't the pic I posted reason enough? That would look f*cking fantastic on screen!

[The Batman]

Is Sue standing on something that we can't see? Are the Thing's feet buried a foot into the ground? There's something just not right in that McNiven drawing.

Also, count me as another person who thinks the Thing should be big and broad, but not necessarily seven or eight feet tall. And yes, I'd still think that even if "every artist since Kirby" has drawn him that way. There's a reason he was the King.

[Darrell D.]

Are you kidding? Isn't the pic I posted reason enough? That would look f*cking fantastic on screen!

That looks ridiculous. That was the problem with the Hulk movies, when the CGI construct acted with other real human beings it looked completely unreal.
The Kirby style Thing would do fine, thanks.

[Norrin Radd]

There's no reason not to make the Thing a little taller and more imposing. Maybe 8 feet at least. I mean, 8 feet isn't that tall.

[mr.brighteyes]

There's no reason not to make the Thing a little taller and more imposing. Maybe 8 feet at least. I mean, 8 feet isn't that tall.

Eight feet is too tall man Abraham Benrubi is 6' 7" That's plenty tall enough

[mr.brighteyes]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Kristen-Bell-vm01.jpg as sue

[kalorama]

That looks ridiculous. That was the problem with the Hulk movies, when the CGI construct acted with other real human beings it looked completely unreal.

Agreed. He should be big but not necessarily huge.

[Legato]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Kristen-Bell-vm01.jpg as sue

Atleast she is an actual blonde and Im sure she would act alot better than Jessica Alba could.

I hope the actor who played The Thing is cast since he and the actor playing Johnny Storm is the only cast in that film I actually enjoy.

It is a shame Fox is rebooting it. I was hoping that Marvel would be the one to reboot Fantastic Four but I dont see that happening.

[kalorama]

Having never followed Veronica Mars I don't really get all the fanboy mania over Bell. Much like Alba, she projects too" young" for the role of Sue.

[Legato]

IMO they should use The Thing in the same way Hellboy was used. Go with a combination of costume and special effects to make The Thing look taller.

Personally I dont really care how tall they make The Thing look. All I care is that this reboot is good. Third times the charm so I hope this is the case for the reboot.

Still, like I said before, my expectations are low so Im not really holding hope on the reboot

[choptop]

Oh, and I hope Cliff Curtis as Namor is the "villian" of a new FF4 movie.

wus Namor a villian in the comics at one time?

[EZMOHR]

wus Namor a villian in the comics at one time?

When isn't Namor up to something sorta villiany? Whether it's putting the mack on Sue, trying to destroy the surface world, or you know, hanging out with a group of people that include Norman Osbourne, Dr. Doom, Loki, and The Hood right now....I think it is safe to say Namor has got some villian qualities to him.

[arp2008]

That looks ridiculous. That was the problem with the Hulk movies, when the CGI construct acted with other real human beings it looked completely unreal.
The Kirby style Thing would do fine, thanks.Then let me say this: I am glad you're not in charge of the reboot.

[arp2008]

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Kristen-Bell-vm01.jpg as sue
She looks a little too short And young.

[EZMOHR]

She looks a little too short And young.

She's like 5'1". She's almost 30 years old.

That being said, she's too peppy to be Sue in my estimation. She's a hoot as Veronica Mars, and characters like that. Nothing she's done in her career says "Sue Storm....Mother of the Marvel Universe."

[nervmeister]

Sigourney Weaver would make an excellent Sue Storm.

[EZMOHR]

Sigourney Weaver would make an excellent Sue Storm.


I would have been cool with that....If F4 was made in 1983.

[arp2008]

I would have been cool with that....If F4 was made in 1983.Yes, she is far too old and past her prime.

[arp2008]

She's like 5'1". She's almost 30 years old.

That being said, she's too peppy to be Sue in my estimation. She's a hoot as Veronica Mars, and characters like that. Nothing she's done in her career says "Sue Storm....Mother of the Marvel Universe." Any other choices?

[nervmeister]

I would have been cool with that....If F4 was made in 1983.

Yes, she is far too old and past her prime.Naw man. She can pull it off today. Some blonde hair die and a tiny bit of botox is all it would take. Have faith you two.

[arp2008]

Naw man. She can pull it off today. Some blonde hair die and a tiny bit of botox is all it would take. Have faith you two.NO WAY! :eek:

[nervmeister]

NO WAY! :eek:Trust me. Weaver can do it. If you saw Galaxy Quest, then you'd know what I'm talking about.

[arp2008]

Trust me. Weaver can do it. If you saw Galaxy Quest, then you'd know what I'm talking about.Even then she was too old for the part and that movie was several years ago.

[kalorama]

She's like 5'1". She's almost 30 years old."

But she looks like she's about 19, which is why she was playing a H.S. student just a couple of years ago.

[EZMOHR]

Even then she was too old for the part and that movie was several years ago.

That was the point of Galaxy Quest.

I said it on another thread....my choices if the Four are recast are....

Reed Richards- Christopher Gorham
Sue Storm- Rachel McAdams
Johnny Storm- Tom Felton
Ben Grimm- Jon Favreau

Namor- Cliff Curtis
Black Panther- Chiwetel Ejofor
Klaw- Arnold Vosloo

[EZMOHR]

But she looks like she's about 19, which is why she was playing a H.S. student just a couple of years ago.

Plus, Sue is the Mother of the Marvel U. She's got a regalness to her that Kristen Bell hasn't and will never pull off.

[nervmeister]

Even then she was too old for the part and that movie was several years ago.She didn't look too old to me (nor does she now).

[arp2008]

She didn't look too old to me (nor does she now).She's practically wizened. If you need her cast so badly, she'd be better off playing Sue's mom than anyone else.

Here's a question: Should Franklin and Val be introduced in this new franshise, preferably towards the end of maybe a second film and further explored during the third(assuming this reboot proves successful, of course)?

[nervmeister]

She's practically wizened. If need her cast so badly, she's better off player Sue's mom than anyone else.

That's bullcrap! She looks near exactly like current Sue in the comics.

[J. Robb]

Plus, Sue is the Mother of the Marvel U. She's got a regalness to her that Kristen Bell hasn't and will never pull off.
She's "the Mother of the Marvel Universe" now (and has been for awhile), but originally Sue was a young actress dating an older man.

[pariah-1972]

Maybe we should go with an Ultimate style reboot where they are all teens or adolescents?

[J. Robb]

Maybe we should go with an Ultimate style reboot where they are all teens or adolescents?
No.


.

[arp2008]

Maybe we should go with an Ultimate style reboot where they are all teens or adolescents?NO!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Toonimator]

Then let me say this: I am glad you're not in charge of the reboot.
As I am that you're not in charge. That McNiven image is the epitome of "fanboy source material". Though, I suppose, proponents of Kirby-Thing are also 'fanboy' in a way. But taking a flawed piece of art, like Standing-In-A-Hole Giant Thing there, seems closer to championing Liefeld's Infamous Captain America Drawing than something that's really capturing an iconic look for a character. I had gotten used to Big Thing. I even scoffed at the idea of Man In Suit back when Chiklis was cast. But the only thing that bugged me about Thing in the films was the lack of the long-traditional brow ridge and the inflexibility of the fingers and odd look they had when relaxed (index curled in a bit, other two fingers sticking out some, especially the 'pinky'). I like Thing being shorter'n Reed. He's powerful, he doesn't have to be HUGE. And even with his strength, he's far from the strongest out there! Spidey's strength is probably closer to his than his is closer to Hulk's (I don't have any Handbooks on me for easy reference though)

[mjhayman]

Maybe we should go with an Ultimate style reboot where they are all teens or adolescents?Nyet! Although they're welcome to feature a younger Sue in a flashback sequence.

This discussion has prompted me to re-watch Rise of the Silver Surfer. I stand by my earlier position which is that's not a terrible film but severly lacking in almost every respect. It's too long and suffers from narrative stutters that make it something of a chore to sit through. There are still a sufficient quantity of cool/interesting/dramatic moments to warrant at least one viewing, however.

It got me to thinking that a soft-reboot of the franchise would allow them to keep all of the damage caused by the Surfer; specifically, all of those great, big holes in the ground. And we all know what comes out of great, big holes in the ground. Short guys with bad eyesight, enormous monsters, and swarms of moloids. There's your FF3 germ. It could even take place five or seven years after RotSS since those holes wouldn't just fill themselves, allowing for Franklin or Val or whatever else. An otherwise wholesale cast change and we've got a film! And I have no strong opinions on character assignment apart from Kristen Bell being wildly inappropriate, cute though she might be. How about Jennifer Morrison? She already dyed her hair, all she needs is a few months in the gym et voila! Not married to the idea, though.

[EZMOHR]

She's "the Mother of the Marvel Universe" now (and has been for awhile), but originally Sue was a young actress dating an older man.

And if you go soft reboot.....that isn't Sue anymore. Sue now is the Judi Dench of the Marvel U. She owns all others. Storm might be close....but she is no Sue.

Point is...you can get someone in their 20's to play Sue if you want, and it won't be a disaster. But that actress better have a regal, motherly, bad ass quality about her. Kristen Bell was laughable as Elle when she did bad ass, and has no regal or motherly qulities about her. She is a good actress, don't get me wrong...but she is better for someone like Veronica Mars. And Sue Richards is not Veronica Mars.

[mr.brighteyes]

Well If Weaver is too old which I agree and Bell is Too young which I don't agree then we're back to Someone like

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/051108/10757__poppy_l.jpg
Poppy Montgomery
http://broadwayworld.com/upload/21420/01.jpg
Janel Maloney
http://i00.bdbphotos.com/0L/17/0000003017-20918L.jpg
stephanie Niznick

[arp2008]

Well If Weaver is too old which I agree and Bell is Too young which I don't agree then we're back to Someone like

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/051108/10757__poppy_l.jpg
Poppy Montgomery
http://broadwayworld.com/upload/21420/01.jpg
Janel Maloney
http://i00.bdbphotos.com/0L/17/0000003017-20918L.jpg
stephanie Niznick If I HAD to choose between those three, Ms. Montgomery would make the cut.

[kalorama]

It's not that Bell is too young, It's that she looks too young. It's the same problem that Holmes had in Batman Begins. She came across as a kid playing dress up in a grown ups clothes. Meanwhile Maggie Gyllenhaal, who's barely a year older than Holmes, came across as a fully realized adult.

[The Batman]

I think it's pretty obvious that Sue Storm needs to be CGI. Its hard to imagine you guys think some actress would make for a better Sue than her being built from scratch using todays incredible technology. Granted, if the film is poorly budgeted she'll look like crap, but if its backed by a decent amount of money envision how awesome she'd look on screen. The presence she'd have. She's probably look like he's strong to enough to make a shiel that could actually stop a semi trailer tuck in its tracks. Wouldn't that be a cool? A Sue who looks as awesome as she does in the comics?

http://sexualityinart.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/mcniven5.JPG

[kalorama]

Nicely done, sir. Nicely done.

[pariah-1972]

I think it's pretty obvious that Sue Storm needs to be CGI. Its hard to imagine you guys think some actress would make for a better Sue than her being built from scratch using todays incredible technology. Granted, if the film is poorly budgeted she'll look like crap, but if its backed by a decent amount of money envision how awesome she'd look on screen. The presence she'd have. She's probably look like he's strong to enough to make a shiel that could actually stop a semi trailer tuck in its tracks. Wouldn't that be a cool? A Sue who looks as awesome as she does in the comics?

http://sexualityinart.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/mcniven5.JPGBy that thought maybe we should just use cgi on all actors and actress's.

[kalorama]

I think the whole thing should be done with stop motion claymation.

[The Batman]

Supermarionation or nothing!

[arp2008]

I think it's pretty obvious that Sue Storm needs to be CGI. Its hard to imagine you guys think some actress would make for a better Sue than her being built from scratch using todays incredible technology. Granted, if the film is poorly budgeted she'll look like crap, but if its backed by a decent amount of money envision how awesome she'd look on screen. The presence she'd have. She's probably look like he's strong to enough to make a shiel that could actually stop a semi trailer tuck in its tracks. Wouldn't that be a cool? A Sue who looks as awesome as she does in the comics?

Sigh............:rolleyes: Sometimes I feel ignorance is contagious for its spreading like an airborn disease around some parts.

[kmeyers]

I think the whole thing should be done with stop motion claymation.

That way he could literally be made of rock in that case.

[The Batman]

That way he could literally be made of rock in that case.

Yup, and no doubt people would still complain that it wasn't convincing enough and would look better if it was computer rendered.

[The Batman]

Sigh............:rolleyes: Sometimes I feel ignorance is contagious for its spreading like an airborn disease around some parts.

Ignorance?! No such thing. Have a sense of humour man!

[kalorama]

Yup, and no doubt people would still complain that it wasn't convincing enough and would look better if it was computer rendered.

And directed by Christopher Nolan.

[the_coldest_sun]

And directed by Christopher Nolan.

Because obviously if he understands one comic book character, it automatically means he understands all comic book characters.