TITANS #`11 preview, discussion, spoilers [Archive]

DeTroyes

03-09-2009, 04:54 PM

Looks pretty good. And Porter's art is improving by leaps and bounds.

But right now, I'm a little more interested in finding out who will be writing this series once McKeever has finished, especially since its now been confirmed that Winick will not be returning. We should be finding out that sometime this week, since the solicit for the first post-McKeever issue is due to come out next Monday.

Desaad

03-09-2009, 04:57 PM

I love Porter's art.

The preview, though, is a little thin. Not a lot happened there, which is always a disappointment at 2.99 an issue.

jv2k

03-09-2009, 05:38 PM

I like Mckeever's TT and Terror Titans and it's interesting to have both Titans books under one write. We might end up with some unity between the teams.

That said, what's the deal with the way Starfire talked?

dreyga2000

03-09-2009, 07:32 PM

That said, what's the deal with the way Starfire talked?

I believe he's doing animated TT Starfire's voice :confused:

DeTroyes

03-09-2009, 10:03 PM

I believe he's doing animated TT Starfire's voice :confused:

The funny thing is, ever since the animated series, her TT animated voice is the one I hear whenever I read a story with Starfire in it.

It actually makes some of her DCU dialogue even funnier.

Sir Tim Drake

03-09-2009, 11:18 PM

Those pages are kind of cute, but that's certainly not how Kory talks.

Beast

03-10-2009, 11:41 AM

"especially since its now been confirmed that Winick will not be returning."

Wait... where was this announced? Cause that's the best news ever!

Christopher Cross Is God

03-10-2009, 11:49 AM

Why does Starfire have that Three's Company physique?

frostedone

03-10-2009, 12:10 PM

Why does Starfire have that Three's Company physique?

Don't know but I like it more than her "Balloon bod"

DeTroyes

03-10-2009, 01:06 PM

Wait... where was this announced? Cause that's the best news ever!

Dan Didio told fans at MegaCon that Winick was not returning:

Titanstower.com fan Paul reports from Florida's MegaCon:

"Hey I just wanted to pass on this info since most newsites are only reporting on WonderCon. Saturday at MegaCon during the DC Univers panel I asked if Winnick would still be the writer of Titans post Deathtrap. Dan Didio said no he wouldn't and a new writer would be named soon. I don't know why the DC Nation panel at MegaCon was reported on but no one has covered the DC Universe one. Just wanted to let you know so you could pass along the good news."

http://titanstowermonitor.blogspot.com/

SUPERECWFAN1

03-10-2009, 01:23 PM

Wait... where was this announced? Cause that's the best news ever!

The best news would be Chuck Austen getting the Titans. I'd pick it up for the crazy he'd bring to the book. They need someone to create new crazy storylines and not live in the 1980's anymore.

Beast

03-10-2009, 01:25 PM

The best news would be Chuck Austen getting the Titans. I'd pick it up for the crazy he'd bring to the book. They need someone to create new crazy storylines and not live in the 1980's anymore.
While I don't think Chuck Austen would be a positive step....

A writer who wanted to do fun and crazy things with the Titans would be great.

Can we clone Jeff Parker and sell the copy to DC for Titans maybe?

DeTroyes

03-10-2009, 01:48 PM

A writer who wanted to do fun and crazy things with the Titans would be great.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Why not give J. Torres his big chance in the DCU?

DanCMH

03-10-2009, 04:57 PM

That art is definitely a big improvement. If Winnick's really gone I'll check this title out again.

Alexx1

03-10-2009, 05:03 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Why not give J. Torres his big chance in the DCU?

WORD! I'm 100% behind that!

COMIC GEEK

03-10-2009, 07:02 PM

marc andrekyo kinda hinted that he would love to take the reins..

but put me down for torres too

frostedone

03-11-2009, 04:09 PM

So basically the Titans all don't want to be friends anymore?

Hawkman

03-11-2009, 10:22 PM

I picked this up today against my better judgment, because while I'm anxious for a new writer to replace Winick on Titans, I also haven't been a fan of McKeever's work over in Teen Titans. That said, I actually didn't think it was too bad. In fact, I enjoyed it. Kory's voice seemed somewhat off to me, but I found her a lot more believable here than in any of the Winick issues I had read. I like Donna taking charge in Dick's absence and Vic staying completely focused regardless of everything going on around him. And the Raven/Garfield scenes were effectively lighthearted at first and poignant in the end. Overall, it was a pretty entertaining character piece.

Most of all, though, I love how Kendra and Roy seem to be officially over as an item now. Hawkgirl was probably supposed to be dead coming out of Final Crisis, but several things I've read since indicate to me that that's no longer the case. So while her death may have initially been the springboard for what's behind his motives in this issue, Roy sleeping with anyone who's willing pretty much spells the end to the relationship one way or another. And that's fantastic news, in my opinion.

SUPERECWFAN1

03-12-2009, 07:15 PM

Most of all, though, I love how Kendra and Roy seem to be officially over as an item now. Hawkgirl was probably supposed to be dead coming out of Final Crisis, but several things I've read since indicate to me that that's no longer the case. So while her death may have initially been the springboard for what's behind his motives in this issue, Roy sleeping with anyone who's willing pretty much spells the end to the relationship one way or another. And that's fantastic news, in my opinion.

Ohh yeah McDuffie and Wein basically put the torch to it in Justice League of America. Kendra calling out Carter's name in bed and always telling Roy how Carter did things had em break up. The issue #30 backup seems to symbolize that the Hawks are a couple again as she stands beside Carter.

DeadXMan

03-12-2009, 09:11 PM

OK, BB is now officially a "bugaboo"

DeTroyes

03-13-2009, 07:10 AM

Loved the issue. The writing and the art were easily the best the series has been since it started. McKeever might very well turn this series around single-handedly.

I've got a suspicion that Jericho can now "leap" into more than one person at a time. Several times during the "lockdown" issues he did say that his powers have improved, and the cover to this issue sort of implies that Joey can now control more than one person at once. At the moment we know he's controlling Cyborg, but who else might he be controlling? Blue Beetle seems a good bet; Roy and perhaps Raven are also possibilities (which would explain in part why both of them seem to be trying to sow seeds of discontent between Titans).

Really loved the Gar & Raven sequences. They were bittersweet and at the end a little poignant. I'm really hoping that DC isn't trying to find a way to wrap their story up, because I really like them together.

The dialogue all around was mostly very good. I actually felt all the characters sounded right, which is quite possibly the first time I've thought that since the series began. Even Gar, who Winick seemed to like to write as something of an insensitive jerk, sounded much better this issue.

A few quibbles about the art. Roy and Wally were hard to distinguish in places, and Raven seemed a little off. But on the other hand, Kory looked awesome in the opening sequence (flying, greeting the sunrise). Porter's art is improving by leaps and bounds, but still needs improvement.

Looking forward to "Deathtrap".

Hawkman

03-13-2009, 10:58 AM

Ohh yeah McDuffie and Wein basically put the torch to it in Justice League of America. Kendra calling out Carter's name in bed and always telling Roy how Carter did things had em break up. The issue #30 backup seems to symbolize that the Hawks are a couple again as she stands beside Carter.
Yeah, but like you said, the O&O back-up seemed more symbolic than anything to me. Roy walked away, but there was still a sense that it wasn't over-over. This issue, on the other hand, pretty much put the nail in the coffin, removing all doubt. And I loved every minute of it.:biggrin:

Saturn Girl

03-13-2009, 12:57 PM

I had problems with the confusing artwork, but I really enjoyed McKeever's take on the characters. The Roy/Donna, Donna/Kory and especially the Gar/Raven scenes were all really well done, and for the first time since the series started I felt like these characters were actual friends instead of just teammates. I am so happy to have something to cheer about when it comes to this series! :D

SUPERECWFAN1

03-13-2009, 04:24 PM

Yeah, but like you said, the O&O back-up seemed more symbolic than anything to me. Roy walked away, but there was still a sense that it wasn't over-over. This issue, on the other hand, pretty much put the nail in the coffin, removing all doubt. And I loved every minute of it.:biggrin:

Ohh yeah I myself wouldn't have minded if they had wrote the Kendra/Roy plot better. Instead of what we got that was so ham fisted togethor. I think it took some guts at DC to admit they screwed up there and to put right where this had went.

CaptainPiecake

03-13-2009, 06:43 PM

I liked the "bonding moment" scenes in #11, which was a part of the original New Teen Titans series that I always appreciated - the character development and the relationships within the team. It just raises the stakes for me when they get all "crash boom pow", because I care more about the people doing the crashing and the booming. And the pow-ing, of course.

I didn't really get the Jericho-ness of the issue. It wasn't pronounced or spelled out or featured in a way that felt noteworthy or even sufficiently ominous to me. I wish they'd move past the Jericho storyline (which I hate saying, because I used to love that character in the 80s) - the series feels stagnant, like they're trapped in a groove or tied on a big collective leash.

I really want to love this title because I love the characters, and I'd like to see the classic line-up maintain a strong presence in the DCU and to maintain a great book for a long time to come. So far, though, it feels like the creative teams are afraid to take the Titans out of their own back yard, and it's getting a little tedious after 11 issues...

Samuraixsithlord

03-13-2009, 07:06 PM

So basically the Titans all don't want to be friends anymore?

I think Jerhico spread his mind out among the Titan's. He's not strong enough to control all of them at once. But he can influence their subconscious.

COMIC GEEK

03-14-2009, 07:24 PM

this issue reminded me of those 80's stories where not every issue had to have a bad guy for the titans to fight, but showed their personal lives as well.

one of the very reasons why the 80's titans stories rocked

Ex_

03-14-2009, 08:55 PM

I dug this issue more than all the others in the series, so far. I loved how Garfield didn't sound like a jackass for once.

I've been reading Titans and Teen Titans but I'm hesitant to pick up this whole crossover because of the extra money spent on Vigilante. Is Vigilante worth it?

COMIC GEEK

03-14-2009, 09:45 PM

DeTroyes

03-14-2009, 09:47 PM

I like Vigilante, and I would recommend it.

But unfortunately, its sales have been so terrible I doubt the title is going to survive the year. :( Perhaps it'll end up as a back-up feature somewhere.

I loved how Garfield didn't sound like a jackass for once.

Amen to that. Winick's handling of Gar was one of my biggest complaints. For the most part, I thought the dialogue for Gar this issue was the best he's been written since Johns.

Saturn Girl

03-14-2009, 10:28 PM

For the most part, I thought the dialogue for Gar this issue was the best he's been written since Johns.

I completely agree. For several issues, Beast Boy was acting like a douchebag, but this was a return to sweet, goofy kid I remember from TNTT. The way he told Raven he just wanted to be with her was really quite endearing. I am so glad this plot thread - the Gar/Raven romance - is finally being explored on panel, and I'm looking forward to where McKeever takes the characters next.

titanfan

03-14-2009, 11:04 PM

COMIC GEEK

03-15-2009, 08:35 AM

can dc please give gar some boots or something

DeTroyes

03-15-2009, 10:19 AM

can dc please give gar some boots or something

Yeah, I've been wondering about that. I actually haven't been a fan of Churchill's redesign (I still prefer the Johns-era purple-and-white), and the lack of footwear has been a little irritating.

Perhaps its a sign of a slow shift toward the Titans-of-Tomorrow Animal Man?

EDIT:

In speaking of T-o-T Animal Man.... I wonder if they'll ever give Gar those upgraded powers from that future.

SUPERECWFAN1

03-15-2009, 11:19 AM

Why do you hate the Titans so much? :(

I don't hate , I just wanna see crazy new things done with the characters. Beyond dragging Trigon out for his 1,000th appearance as usual. Plus with Chuck you'd get some insane soap opera.

Saturn Girl

03-15-2009, 11:31 AM

Plus with Chuck you'd get some insane soap opera.

Or maybe just insane porn.

SUPERECWFAN1

03-15-2009, 11:32 AM

Or maybe just insane porn.

I'd pick it up. Be a 1st for me to read Titans.

DeTroyes

03-15-2009, 11:38 AM

Chuck Austen on Titans? What, do you want people to yearn for the good 'ole days of Judd Winick on the title?

Saturn Girl

03-15-2009, 12:46 PM

I'd pick it up. Be a 1st for me to read Titans.

I saw some crazy Titans porn from that Iceman guy linked at scans_daily, and I needed some brain bleach afterwards. Something about Starfire teaching everyone about safe sex.

But back to the issue, actually McKeever's issue was pretty darn soapy. We had Donna and Roy touching on their previous relationship, Roy touching a lot of one night stands, and Gar trying to touch Raven but being pushed away. And Kory and Donna didn't actually do any touching, but they did talk about how Dick sucks.

That didn't sound right. Obviously, thinking about Chuck Austen and scary Titans porn is having a bad influence.

Beast

03-15-2009, 01:06 PM

Chuck Austen on Titans? What, do you want people to yearn for the good 'ole days of Judd Winick on the title?
It would be better than Judd Winick has been. So I don't think that makes sense.

DeTroyes

03-15-2009, 01:53 PM

But back to the issue, actually McKeever's issue was pretty darn soapy. We had Donna and Roy touching on their previous relationship, Roy touching a lot of one night stands, and Gar trying to touch Raven but being pushed away. And Kory and Donna didn't actually do any touching, but they did talk about how Dick sucks.

That didn't sound right.

No, but it was damn hilarious.

COMIC GEEK

03-15-2009, 05:34 PM

I don't hate , I just wanna see crazy new things done with the characters. Beyond dragging Trigon out for his 1,000th appearance as usual. Plus with Chuck you'd get some insane soap opera.

nothing for nothing though, how many times are we gonna see the jla fight amazo, or red tornado being confused, etc.

every team has their regular villains...

trigon happens to be one of the titans ones

DeTroyes

03-15-2009, 08:07 PM

trigon happens to be one of the titans ones

Which is one of the reasons why I wasn't all that bothered by Trigon's most recent reappearance. Trigon being in the story wasn't the problem; it was that it was such a badly done story that was the problem.

COMIC GEEK

03-15-2009, 08:23 PM

Which is one of the reasons why I wasn't all that bothered by Trigon's most recent reappearance. Trigon being in the story wasn't the problem; it was that it was such a badly done story that was the problem.

I agree, it just irks me when fans complain oh the titans are fighting deathstroke or trigon etc again.

thats like saying gl is taking on sinestro again

paulski

03-15-2009, 08:23 PM

I think Jerhico spread his mind out among the Titan's. He's not strong enough to control all of them at once. But he can influence their subconscious.

I don't think so. I think he's just inhabiting Cyborg's body (as shown on the last page) while he monitors the goings-on in both teams. And now Jericho's obviously decided that, with the Titans team starting to fracture a little (and no Dick) and the Teen Titans only just found some new members, that now is the time for him to strike. Of course, I've got no idea what he's up to or why.

paulski

03-15-2009, 08:27 PM

Chuck Austen on Titans? What, do you want people to yearn for the good 'ole days of Judd Winick on the title?

Exactly. Nothing against the guy, but it's been nice not to have to read his work on any of the books I pick up for the past several years.

I could think of dumber ideas than to have McKeever writing both books and establish a bit of conformity and stability for the titles.

DeTroyes

03-15-2009, 09:06 PM

thats like saying gl is taking on sinestro again

Or Batman fighting The Joker again.

And if the opening arc had been a clever, well-done story, you probably wouldn't be hearing those complaints.

I don't think so. I think he's just inhabiting Cyborg's body (as shown on the last page) while he monitors the goings-on in both teams. And now Jericho's obviously decided that, with the Titans team starting to fracture a little (and no Dick) and the Teen Titans only just found some new members, that now is the time for him to strike. Of course, I've got no idea what he's up to or why.

Frankly, I've been wondering if this whole "Deathtrap" thing might not be some kind of set-up for Blackest Night.

DeTroyes

03-16-2009, 02:19 PM

CBR gives this issue a mostly positive review:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=user_review&id=821

COMIC GEEK

03-16-2009, 02:53 PM

Or Batman fighting The Joker again.

And if the opening arc had been a clever, well-done story, you probably wouldn't be hearing those complaints.

Frankly, I've been wondering if this whole "Deathtrap" thing might not be some kind of set-up for Blackest Night.

I dont know, cause I hear that JERICHO won't be dying at the end of this arc.

But I just hope he gets back on the TITANS roster

DeTroyes

03-16-2009, 02:57 PM

I dont know, cause I hear that JERICHO won't be dying at the end of this arc.

Doesn't mean it might not have some kind of connection.

titanfan

03-16-2009, 08:29 PM

I actually thought Titans#11 was a great issue and worthy of a positive review. That's two good issues out of the first 11 we've had now. If McKeever can continue to write Titans like this last issue, I have no problems with him on the book.

And Porter's art seemed noticeably better too.

mgs

03-17-2009, 10:19 AM

I love Porter's art.

The preview, though, is a little thin. Not a lot happened there, which is always a disappointment at 2.99 an issue.
I agree with the general disappointment, but I really didn't enjoy Howard's art in this one. :frown:

KYLeo71

03-18-2009, 08:45 PM

I only started reading 'Titans' with issue #8, but I was a BIG fan of the group way back during 'New Teen Titans' in the 1980s (although, thanks to that stupid 'direct only' switchover in the 1980s, I haven't regularly read a Titans book in about 20 years). I've been enjoying the characterizations (although I had to go research wikipedia to find out why Jericho was now a speaking villian instead of the cool, gentle mute I remember and why Raven was, seemingly, in high school, when she was in college over 20 years ago) and I'm looking forward to seeing where everything is going (even though I'm not quite sure what I'm reading. lol) That said, my biggest complaint with the book is the gawd-awful art. I absolutely loathe it. I wish the book had a better artist. I've never been a really big fan of that sketchy/scratchy style of art. Granted, it's purely personal preference on my part, but I much prefer a smoother, cleaner style.

COMIC GEEK

03-20-2009, 08:15 AM

I think de aging raven was the a major mistake on geoffs part

SUPERECWFAN1

03-20-2009, 08:36 AM

I think de aging raven was the a major mistake on geoffs part

I don't. The character had been evil at one point and had changed her costume...and well the Raven many had saw for a few years was the teen cartoon Raven on Teen Titans. Having the character be made into a teenager seemed to make a change with a long term plan ahead. Having her battle emotions as a teen and her past .

COMIC GEEK

03-20-2009, 09:44 AM

I don't. The character had been evil at one point and had changed her costume...and well the Raven many had saw for a few years was the teen cartoon Raven on Teen Titans. Having the character be made into a teenager seemed to make a change with a long term plan ahead. Having her battle emotions as a teen and her past .

she went from a blue robe to a white... not a huge costume change..

and yeah the real reason I think he deaged raven was because of the cartoon

but back to topic

looking foward to the next issue

SUPERECWFAN1

03-20-2009, 05:25 PM

she went from a blue robe to a white... not a huge costume change..

and yeah the real reason I think he deaged raven was because of the cartoon

She also turned evil at one point so I can see why Geoff did the change when he got a chance.

titanfan

03-20-2009, 09:27 PM

and yeah the real reason I think he deaged raven was because of the cartoon

I think he de-aged her because of the name "Teen Titans" and he didn't want the adults to overshadow the actual teens. And since Raven had never experienced a real teenager-ness (and because it would have been too creepy to de-age Starfire), Raven was the choice.

I thought for sure that the Trigon storyline was going to end with Raven getting an adult body again.