Ultimate Wolverine vs Hulk #3 Spoilers

[Samuraixsithlord]

this thing finally came out which was a sruprise.

anyway Wolverine narrates to Logan what happens when he finds the Hulk. The Hulk appears to be intelligent and isn't interested in fighting, he actually claims to like Logan since they are both animals.

It's implied that Fury was lookin to off Logan as well by sending him after Hulk, as he didn't tell him that Hulk was smart, and that Hulk knows alot about him as he has a standing kill order on Logan should Xavior prove unable to control him.

Logan starts talking about how Betty sent him to kill hulk nd about how he'd like to take Betty out on a date. This doesn't go over to well with the Hulk who sends Logan flying.

Anyway back to the present. Hulk is about to eat one of Logan's legs, when Furys plan B shows up in the form of the Ultimate She-Hulk.

[James 'Logan' Howlett]

Thanks for the spoilers. :)

I'll be reading it later...not paying for it though. The delay costs Marvel my money for Issues 3-6.

[DeadXMan]

doesn't sound like it was worth the wait.

IMO these massive delays in the Ult stories has led to this reboot

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Ok sorry if this has been answered already but I didnt read the thread out of fear of a spoiler since I hadnt read this series yet.


How many issues is this? I thought it was only 3 but at the end of 3 I checked and it said continued.

[Darth Logan]

How many issues is this? I thought it was only 3 but at the end of 3 I checked and it said continued.

On the inside of this issue it said 3 of 6.

[Warpsters]

I thought it was pretty damn good. Yu's art is not my favorite but I was entertained. Was it worth the wait? We'll see when it wraps up.

[desanth]

Not worth the wait.

[DeadXMan]

Agree.

They should of released it as a 100 page monster and be done with it

[Will.S]

Agree.

They should of released it as a 100 page monster and be done with it
Yeah in this case it's pretty dumb to keep releasing it in singles.

Just release it as a trade/hardcover and be done with it, I'm not buying the singles anymore due to the fact that I bought the first two already and I don't plan on spending more money on it until it's all in one nice little package.

[Joe Franklin]

Yeah in this case it's pretty dumb to keep releasing it in singles.

Just release it as a trade/hardcover and be done with it, I'm not buying the singles anymore due to the fact that I bought the first two already and I don't plan on spending more money on it until it's all in one nice little package.

Releasing it in singles makes big money for Marvel. Then they can do the TB's afterward to make even more money. It's all about the money.

[Seraku]

this thread: wah wah wah


anyways I liked it

[Joe Franklin]

anyways I liked it

You should.

Awesome scripting, awesome art, and awesome characters.:cool:

[spidervenom]

It was really good. I also thinks it's cool that she hulk is actualy some sort of cybernetic suit. you can see a little bit of white human skin under the glasses.

[IAMFuzzy]

It was really good. I also thinks it's cool that she hulk is actualy some sort of cybernetic suit. you can see a little bit of white human skin under the glasses.
That white part looks like it was a part of the glasses and not her skin. I don't think it's a suit.

[RazorBats79]

I thought it was pretty damn good. Yu's art is not my favorite but I was entertained. Was it worth the wait? We'll see when it wraps up.

I think this is mostly just a case of "now I got what I want, Im not really interested" kinda thing.
For me, Yu's art is awesome! The way it normally looks (i still liked secret invasion's art) But I prefer it like this. As for smart Hulk? Hmmmm....

Im gonna have to agree with Warpster here, Im gonna wait until the book wraps to see what I think about it. Not too bad so far though....

[Seraku]

I was rereading the 1st two issues and DAMN does the quality take a leap.

[Warpsters]

I was rereading the 1st two issues and DAMN does the quality take a leap.
What direction did it leap in for you?

[DrDoom616]

I will be getting this today woohoo 3 years of waiting, and still more delays to come as the final book 6 has yet to be finished arrrrrgggghhhh

[James 'Logan' Howlett]

I was rereading the 1st two issues and DAMN does the quality take a leap.

I agree.

I re-read Issues 1 and 2 a few days before reading Issue 3 and the story went from interesting and good to boring and Jeph Loebish in storytelling. For a free read, I still felt ripped off.





I will be getting this today woohoo 3 years of waiting, and still more delays to come as the final book 6 has yet to be finished arrrrrgggghhhh

Thanks for telling Marvel that a 3 year delay has no effect on you. You hereby lose ALL rights to EVER complain about a comic book delay for your WHOLE life.

[Splatt]

I pretty much figured this was going to be more of a recap issue. Guess it was inevitable, since the comic was late for 3 years.

Anyway, can't wait for issue 4.

[Mr.EZ]

Flipped through it at the store, and then washed my hands. Trash and crap.

[Maestro]

This feels like the show Lost, great first season but gets really crappy by the second and third season

[LemonJynx]

Last issue said lets get to the action, this issue gives us even more back tracking and little action. Over all it was a solid issue

[gillyman]

Maybe they should have taken a loss on this series and give it away for free considering the wait.

[amharner]

I think you guys are being too hard on issue three.

The comment about it being Jeph Loebish in execution hurts my brain. Seriously...what does that even mean?

It's a fight scene issue. The last two issues were all about setup and characterization. The recap page was a bit cheesy, but beyond that, it's exactly what we were promised at the end of issue two. The story is broken up and delivered out of sequence...but that's pretty much how the last two issues were handled as well. The difference is the last two issues were meant to establish the main characters. This issue is about Hulk beating the hell out of Wolverine.

It's simple and maybe less compelling...but it's by no means terrible.

I thought the banter between Hulk and Logan was great.

[Akelexre]

this thread: wah wah wah


No. Marvel was a dick for releasing YET ANOTHER Ultimate title after a massive, ungodly delay, and in full price single issue format to boot.

This issue would have been ok a couple of years ago.

The narration/dialogue definitely did not feel as smooth and refined as the previous two issues. For example, Logan's jumping narration ("Uh, here...no, back...no, forward...") just felt awkward and forced. While the book was still fun it was an overall step down in quality, I thought.

Combine that with the insane delay and I think it makes for an overall s--t experience.

[Treqqor]

This feels like the show Lost, great first season but gets really crappy by the second and third season

And just like Lost, I'm hoping the next issues pick up the steam and get back to season 1 (ie issue 1 and 2) quality as it has this season. Still time for that!

[Zombie Uatu]

Felt like Loeb ghost-wrote it.

[pariah-1972]

Why did it take three years to write this?

[Treqqor]

Why did it take three years to write this?

The writer has a job with more responsibility that pays more money and gets more people noticing it than this, maybe? (ie, co-creator, producer and writer of a little show called "Lost".)

[pariah-1972]

The writer has a job with more responsibility that pays more money and gets more people noticing it than this, maybe? (ie, co-creator, producer and writer of a little show called "Lost".)Then he should have never accepted this assignment if he was busy doing another show.

[James 'Logan' Howlett]

Then he should have never accepted this assignment if he was busy doing another show.

Exactly!

But Marvel wants all those "oh so important" big names to push their titles...instead of just having anyone who can write good stories, or can draw well for that matter.

I would love to see the sales for Issue 3 be super low...but I know how comic book readers are. They bitch, yet still buy. Unfortunately, this book will be in the Top 10. I pray that I'm wrong.

[pariah-1972]

Exactly!

But Marvel wants all those "oh so important" big names to push their titles...instead of just having anyone who can write good stories, or can draw well for that matter.

I would love to see the sales for Issue 3 be super low...but I know how comic book readers are. They bitch, yet still buy. Unfortunately, this book will be in the Top 10. I pray that I'm wrong.I don't really understand the need for "name" writers are fans of lost going to automatically pick up this book if they have never been interested in comics before? is that who they are hoping to attract?

[pariah-1972]

Exactly!

But Marvel wants all those "oh so important" big names to push their titles...instead of just having anyone who can write good stories, or can draw well for that matter.

I would love to see the sales for Issue 3 be super low...but I know how comic book readers are. They bitch, yet still buy. Unfortunately, this book will be in the Top 10. I pray that I'm wrong.I don't really understand the need for "name" writers are fans of lost going to automatically pick up this book if they have never been interested in comics before? is that who they are hoping to attract?

[IAMFuzzy]

I don't really understand the need for "name" writers are fans of lost going to automatically pick up this book if they have never been interested in comics before? is that who they are hoping to attract?
What about the Lost fans who are interested in comics? It's not always about pulling in completely new readers.

[Treqqor]

^^^
Yup!
I never bought ANYTHING "Ultimate" until this. It stands to reason I'm not alone.

And since my schedule does NOT revolve around comics (I'm so behind in my reading anyways), delays, even yearly ones, aren't a make it or break it deal to me.

Heck, because of this, I just started reading Ultimate Spider-Man. I am YEARS behind that one!! :cool:

[pariah-1972]

What about the Lost fans who are interested in comics? It's not always about pulling in completely new readers.Well most of them would be interested in this book either way i'm thinking..


Unless they are into like indie comics or something.

[pariah-1972]

^^^
Yup!
I never bought ANYTHING "Ultimate" until this. It stands to reason I'm not alone.

And since my schedule does NOT revolve around comics (I'm so behind in my reading anyways), delays, even yearly ones, aren't a make it or break it deal to me.

Heck, because of this, I just started reading Ultimate Spider-Man. I am YEARS behind that one!! :cool:Well best not to start reading Ultimatum then.

[Treqqor]

Well best not to start reading Ultimatum then.

Oh yes, I've heard. :smile:

[Stephen Moreno]

Thanks for telling Marvel that a 3 year delay has no effect on you. You hereby lose ALL rights to EVER complain about a comic book delay for your WHOLE life.

Yes I'm sure you are not a hypocrite in anything you do in life either.

[mjhayman]

What an effing trainwreck.

The best I can say is that Yu's work was good for Yu, not so good for me. I can see his style working on something else, maybe a Tomb of Dracula revival or somesuch, but he needs to keep away from the supers (given, this was a lot less "super" than SI, so closer to his strengths). Okay, maybe he could do DD or Bats some justice, but I'd need to see it to believe it.

Lindelof spent x number of pages mugging for the camera. It was tired and insulting after the first (recap) page. If his inability to cope with a single project deadline isn't sufficient to bar him from future comic work, then not being able to tell a story - that requires an injection of methadone to the jugular and frequent head banging against the nearest, hardest surface to stay even vaguely focused - should serve as a stern warning to future editors.

No one should be paying money for this. Including Marvel to Lindelof.

[Warpsters]

^^^
Heck, because of this, I just started reading Ultimate Spider-Man. I am YEARS behind that one!! :cool:
It is never too late to get in to ASM. Enjoy!:biggrin:

[pariah-1972]

What an effing trainwreck.

The best I can say is that Yu's work was good for Yu, not so good for me. I can see his style working on something else, maybe a Tomb of Dracula revival or somesuch, but he needs to keep away from the supers (given, this was a lot less "super" than SI, so closer to his strengths). Okay, maybe he could do DD or Bats some justice, but I'd need to see it to believe it.

Lindelof spent x number of pages mugging for the camera. It was tired and insulting after the first (recap) page. If his inability to cope with a single project deadline isn't sufficient to bar him from future comic work, then not being able to tell a story - that requires an injection of methadone to the jugular and frequent head banging against the nearest, hardest surface to stay even vaguely focused - should serve as a stern warning to future editors.

No one should be paying money for this. Including Marvel to Lindelof.

I like Yu's work which is gritty but not too over the top, i have more problems with Lindolfs writing than anything else in this book.

[mjhayman]

I like Yu's work which is gritty but not too over the top, i have more problems with Lindolfs writing than anything else in this book.Yeah, I think at this point that classifying Lindelof's work here as "writing" is akin to the semi-random squiggles in the average toddler's first colouring book as "illustration". I don't dislike Yu's work in general, and less so here (meaning I like it more than in general), but feel strongly that his talents would be far better suited to a different genre. A Yu western might be awesome, not unlike the surprise (to me, at least) that McNiven brought to the current Wolverine arc. Or horror or hardcore drama or the like. Things that don't involve hyper-steroidal people in tight pants whaling on each other.

[pariah-1972]

Yeah, I think at this point that classifying Lindelof's work here as "writing" is akin to the semi-random squiggles in the average toddler's first colouring book as "illustration". I don't dislike Yu's work in general, and less so here (meaning I like it more than in general), but feel strongly that his talents would be far better suited to a different genre. A Yu western might be awesome, not unlike the surprise (to me, at least) that McNiven brought to the current Wolverine arc. Or horror or hardcore drama or the like. Things that don't involve hyper-steroidal people in tight pants whaling on each other.I wouldn't go so far to say it's that bad i just think he needs to concentrate more on the story than trying to impress us with gimmicks and "oh look at this" type stuff.

[Bowie1979]

I really enjoyed issue 1 and 2 (which i only just caught up with, having not read them first time around).

However issue 3 was just plain lazy, recapping everything that had happened and barely advancing the story. With the second printing variants there was absolutely no need to do this.

I have no problem with Yu's art though, in fact i quite like it.

[NickGuy]

hahaha oh man this thread makes me laugh. what a bitchfest! words like "crap" and "trainwreck" are thrown about, when this is far from it!

was it worth the wait? its just a comic. a 3 year wait over a comic is NEVER worth it. there was nothing this book could have done to justify being so late. I didnt buy it to go "wow that was worth the wait" I bought it because i was interested in seeing what would happen next.

it was basically an entertaining recap. I dont understand why fury would drop she hulk in so soon after wolverine attacks hulk...i mean, fuck, he JUST GOT THERE. give the man some damn time.

it will be interesting to watch where it goes from here.

[pariah-1972]

hahaha oh man this thread makes me laugh. what a bitchfest! words like "crap" and "trainwreck" are thrown about, when this is far from it!

was it worth the wait? its just a comic. a 3 year wait over a comic is NEVER worth it. there was nothing this book could have done to justify being so late. I didnt buy it to go "wow that was worth the wait" I bought it because i was interested in seeing what would happen next.

it was basically an entertaining recap. I dont understand why fury would drop she hulk in so soon after wolverine attacks hulk...i mean, fuck, he JUST GOT THERE. give the man some damn time.

it will be interesting to watch where it goes from here.I never got the impression that Fury sent her i figured she took it on herself to come and break up the fight.

[mjhayman]

hahaha oh man this thread makes me laugh. what a bitchfest! words like "crap" and "trainwreck" are thrown about, when this is far from it!To be fair, I called it an "effing trainwreck". :wink:


it was basically an entertaining recap.It was definitely a recap. Apparently the readers are too stupid to figure out what had occurred in the previous (whole two) issues; what, are they unavailable or something? That's what the first page is for, not the whole flipping book. It was insulting; rather the inverse from "entertaining".


it will be interesting to watch where it goes from here.I agree that it will be interesting, but probably not in the same way that you anticipate.

[NickGuy]

To be fair, I called it an "effing trainwreck". :wink:

It was definitely a recap. Apparently the readers are too stupid to figure out what had occurred in the previous (whole two) issues; what, are they unavailable or something? That's what the first page is for, not the whole flipping book. It was insulting; rather the inverse from "entertaining".

I agree that it will be interesting, but probably not in the same way that you anticipate.


I dont find it insulting that they recapped at all...for instance, if you look at issue 1, that was from Logans point of view. issue 2 was hulks point of view. issue 3 was logans point of view again. issue 4 should be hulk again, by any indication.

also the recap was handled in an entertaining way. It jumped forward in the action, then backed up to catch us up with what happened from the end of issue 2 with hulk offering logan cocoa, to the beginning of issue 1, where wolverine got ripped in half. the story is jumping around and slowly congealing at the same time. I think it is a good book and I look forward to what happens next. I dont think its fair to call it crap when the whole story hasnt even been told yet. do you walk out of movies in the first half hour?

[mjhayman]

I dont find it insulting that they recapped at all...for instance, if you look at issue 1, that was from Logans point of view. issue 2 was hulks point of view. issue 3 was logans point of view again. issue 4 should be hulk again, by any indication.

also the recap was handled in an entertaining way. It jumped forward in the action, then backed up to catch us up with what happened from the end of issue 2 with hulk offering logan cocoa, to the beginning of issue 1, where wolverine got ripped in half. the story is jumping around and slowly congealing at the same time. I think it is a good book and I look forward to what happens next. I dont think its fair to call it crap when the whole story hasnt even been told yet. do you walk out of movies in the first half hour?Well, I disagree with your position but it's nice that you're able to derive some enjoyment from it; fun is never a bad thing (well, sometimes, when it starts involving midgets and olive oil and...).

In fact I've walked out on two movies in my life, both within the first ten minutes. One was an early Chuck Norris picture where the insipidness fairly leaked through the screen; I left three friends in the audience. The other I don't feel free to comment upon; suffice to say that I felt insulted and pandered to. Didn't ask for a refund either time, probably should have.

[Elayis]

Am I the only one that liked the entire issue, and wasn't disappointed? I mean this is the middle issue. The middle parts of any story, be it in a movie trilogy, a series of books, or a mini-series in comics. This issue was still good. Not as good as the previous issues, but those were character pieces. This was mostly all action. Plus, its been over two years since those first two issues came out. I think that most people have revered them so much (or at least liked them enough) that any new stuff wrecks the charm of those first two issues.


It was definitely a recap. Apparently the readers are too stupid to figure out what had occurred in the previous (whole two) issues; what, are they unavailable or something? That's what the first page is for, not the whole flipping book. It was insulting; rather the inverse from "entertaining".

I forgive Lindelof for this. I mean, you have to remember that this is only Lindelof's 3rd comic that he's written. He just writes LOST now. Its been probably three years since he wrote his last comic script. He probably just forgot about the recap page while he was writing. :rolleyes:


I never got the impression that Fury sent her i figured she took it on herself to come and break up the fight.

Why would you think that? This is the first time we are meeting Ultimate She-Hulk. It might not even be Jennifer Walters. And it says right in the dialog that she was "Plan B."


On a side note, did anyone else think that this issue looked flat? Like the colors weren't as dark as they should be? I noticed this on the second issue reprint. The colors weren't as dark as the original.

[Elayis]

In fact I've walked out on two movies in my life, both within the first ten minutes. One was an early Chuck Norris picture where the insipidness fairly leaked through the screen; I left three friends in the audience. The other I don't feel free to comment upon; suffice to say that I felt insulted and pandered to. Didn't ask for a refund either time, probably should have.

On that side-note, I've only walked out of one movie in my life, Artificial Intelligence: A.I. My mom took me to it, but she made me leave during the part at the pool, where the other kid almost drowns. I was only 9, so my mom didn't think it was appropriate (I still haven't seen the rest of the movie. The only time I have ever gotten refunds is when the projector malfunctions, or, one time, there was construction, and I could hardly hear the movie it was so loud.

I've probably turned off a bunch of films I've rented that I didn't like, but I can't remember. Most of the time, unless the film is really horrible, I like to finish films (or any other story, in books, or comics, or whatever) that I start.

[jackolover]

I liked it. I was impressed by the way Hulk conversed with Logan, while surrounded by naked lovey ladies. Still no explaination why these beauties are around the Monster, and, where he got them. This is such a disjointed story, it starts in the middle and works outwards. Someday, Lindelof is going to reveal where western women come from in the wilds of Tibet.

But the Hulk was my stand out here. He came across as the smart man that I miss from WWH. He was intelligent, in control, and even while he remained in the Hulk form, instead of reverting back to Banner. I didn't know that SHIELD used Banner as the Ultimate Daikon. That surprised me. I thought Wolverine was the super human Ultimate killer, and even Banner couldn't kill Logan.

I do have to say Leinil Yu has grown on me. He is a good fit for both Logan and the Hulk; gritty, savage, and beatiful at the same time. Yu has definately benefitted from the National exposure of Secret Invasion.

Well, that's it for me. I've got the 3 issues and that's enough. Dark Reign is just too expensive so I can't do this anymore.

[jackolover]

hahaha oh man this thread makes me laugh. what a bitchfest! words like "crap" and "trainwreck" are thrown about, when this is far from it!

was it worth the wait? its just a comic. a 3 year wait over a comic is NEVER worth it. there was nothing this book could have done to justify being so late. I didnt buy it to go "wow that was worth the wait" I bought it because i was interested in seeing what would happen next.

it was basically an entertaining recap. I dont understand why fury would drop she hulk in so soon after wolverine attacks hulk...i mean, fuck, he JUST GOT THERE. give the man some damn time.

it will be interesting to watch where it goes from here.

It did seem like Fury was dropping a feret down a rabbit hole and waiting for it to kill Hulk and drag it out. But then got tired of waiting and put another ferret down there.

[maczero]

Lindelof spent x number of pages mugging for the camera.How does a writer "mug for the camera"?

[DrDoom616]

Sounds ridiculous

must be a loeb thing lol