are we ever gonna see a ninja game without all the mystic trash?

[Jackassassin]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?

thanks for listening to my rant. its over now.

[Jake V]

nope.

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[Kid Kamikaze10]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?

thanks for listening to my rant. its over now.

The closest one I can think of is Tenchu, but I'd like to see a ninja equivalent of Bushido Blade.

[Xero Kaiser]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?


They could, but then nobody would care.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

Probablly not.

Because the mystical stuff is #1 What alot of people expect from ninja related games and #2 Unless they had a really great writer and director for the game it would be really boring and really short without the mystical stuff thrown in as filler.

Making a realistic ninja game would be boring and appeal to very very few people. For it to even be interesting the total game length time would have to be around 6 hours, any longer and it would be just shit thrown in to make it longer.

Look at metal gear solid, he is kind of like a ninja but what if you played those games with all the fictional stuff taken out, be pretty boring wouldnt it?

[Agent Helix]

No, because ninjas are notorious litterers, and mystic trash is inevitable.

[HynerianChef]

You mean Ninja Gaiden isn't based on historical events?! :confused:

[Kage Kisaragi]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?

thanks for listening to my rant. its over now.

uh, last I checked it was called Tenchu, and it sold fairly well... Seriously, THERE AREN'T ANY REAL NINJAS ANYWAY. You're talking about something that was SUPPOSED to be wrapped up in myth and legend, about people who seemingly appeared out of no where and disappeared without a trace. People whos appearance scarred powerful individuals ****less, and turned their hair wait. Individuals who supposedly moved with lightning speed and precision. Will you ever see a Shadow Warrior game without any mystical elements? Go play Metal Gear or one of those first person shooters were your supposed to be some kind of assassin, hell play any other game these guys and get your joyless on.. Play GTA and try to not get spotted and call yourself a ninja.

Even in its most satirical showings, one point about Ninjas is that they are supposedly capable of doing things normal people could never do, its what made them so interesting in the first place. Removing such a element so that you can see a guy in black pajamas stick people with swords or blow darts is kind of silly if not dumb at this point.

[jboncha]

What about this game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Blade

Looks like an interesting ninja games set in a modern or ever futuristic setting.

[IssunBoshi]

But the mystical and supernatural are what gives the ninja theme its compelling power.

[Agent Helix]

Why do people seem to be under the impression that the Ninja Gaiden games are set in the past? I don't recall feudal Japan having a particular glut of helicopters and machine guns.

[Demon wizard]

Why do people seem to be under the impression that the Ninja Gaiden games are set in the past? I don't recall feudal Japan having a particular glut of helicopters and machine guns.

That's just because ninjas can time travel

[HynerianChef]

Why do people seem to be under the impression that the Ninja Gaiden games are set in the past? I don't recall feudal Japan having a particular glut of helicopters and machine guns.

Irony you have to explain is failed irony, I suppose. I was obviously making a joke about a 'realistic' ninja game.

[Agent Helix]

Didn't mean you.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I think they can make a Splinter Cell-esque game, but instead of guns and grenades, just make them with swords and darts and smoke bombs, etc.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Actually, there is an answer, sort of...

Tenchu Z. It's pretty much Tenchu with a lot of the mystical "trash" toned down...


It's decent, but definitely not the best of the series.

[Lester C.]

I think the Metal Gear games come close so long unless you want the setting to take place in fuedal Japan.

[Agent Helix]

Metal Gear is full of mystic and sci fi garbage. You're also not a ninja.

[JCAll]

I like the Tenchu games, and never noticed a glut of mystic crap. Mostly I just squat on a rooftop or behind a wall, waiting for a guard to walk past so I can remove his spine. REpeat until you kill everyone on earth.

I'm sure there's some magical dohickies laying around, but it doesn't effect gameplay at all.

[Michael P]

This is like asking "Are we ever gonna see a Mario game without all the jumping?"

[Kid Kamikaze10]

This is like asking "Are we ever gonna see a Mario game without all the jumping?"

Mario Kart?

[Michael P]

Mario Kart?

You can make the carts jump. At least, you could in the original.

[Young Avenger]

Wasn't the main baddie of original Tenchu a Mage? My memory is a little fizzy

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Wasn't the main baddie of original Tenchu a Mage? My memory is a little fizzy

That was Tenrai, the main baddie in Wraith of Heaven.

[Mike Pothier]

I think they can make a Splinter Cell-esque game, but instead of guns and grenades, just make them with swords and darts and smoke bombs, etc.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6069/tenchu2020stealth20assa.jpg

[Xero Kaiser]

Wasn't the main baddie of original Tenchu a Mage? My memory is a little fizzy

No. The last boss of the original game was the king of Hell.

Considering that and the demons and undead you fight in the Tenchu games, I'm wondering why people are bringing that game up as a response to the OP

[Kid Kamikaze10]

No. The last boss of the original game was the king of Hell.

Considering that and the demons and undead you fight in the Tenchu games, I'm wondering why people are bringing that game up as a response to the OP

Tenchu Z doesn't have most of the mystical elements from the Tenchu series (except Rikimaru is still there). That's the closet one to the OPs question.

[roomofeasement]

Uh, the closet thing would be samurai games - namely Way of the Samurai for the PS2. Open-ended, hilarious and fun. It's basically like the second Onimusha sans the soul-gauntlet and demons -- basically the recipe you're looking for. Watch out for the black kung-fu man in that game though, he's an excellent alliance.

[JCAll]

No. The last boss of the original game was the king of Hell.

Considering that and the demons and undead you fight in the Tenchu games, I'm wondering why people are bringing that game up as a response to the OP

Because it doesn't really effect the 'hang from a ledge waiting for a guard to stop at the bowl of poison rice so I can rip his lungs our' gameplay. Your not exactly juggling a dozen horsemen in the air with a giant sword in Tenchu.

[Nefarius]

The closest one I can think of is Tenchu, but I'd like to see a ninja equivalent of Bushido Blade.

Personally,i want more games in the style of Bushido Blade.I even wish for a street fight game with Bushido blade mechanics.

[Kage Kisaragi]

No. The last boss of the original game was the king of Hell.

Considering that and the demons and undead you fight in the Tenchu games, I'm wondering why people are bringing that game up as a response to the OP

odd i don't remember killing a single demon that game. been a long time since i played it though.

[Ronin1108]

^^ i dunno if this is the second game but you go through the cemetry with the undead and only can affect them with the muramasa blade...

[Young Avenger]

Personally,i want more games in the style of Bushido Blade.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/images/achievements/361/cover.jpg

I don't recommend it

[hoffmandu]

The Ninja Genre definitely needs some re-inventing. And I have to say is the Wizard (you call it Mystic, I call it wizard) aspect of Ninja games turns me off to. I want Ninjas Vs Ninjas. Ninjas Vs Samurai's. Ninja's Vs Republicans. Ninjas Vs the Homeless.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/images/achievements/361/cover.jpg

I don't recommend it


I've played that game also...

And it's not like Bushido Blade (the clashing aspect completely ruined that fighting system, as did the fact that it has a health bar... Among other things).


I also don't recommend it.

[Tyr]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?

thanks for listening to my rant. its over now.

Probably for the same reason we can't have a game about knights without dragons and magic thrown into the mix, cause people expect it. Just like they expect mystical stuff when it comes to ninjas its part of the legends and the myths.

You mean Ninja Gaiden isn't based on historical events?! :confused:

It's not? You mean its not an astion game base of ancient japanese history?!

But what about the giant mutated crabs that I can flip for maximum damage??!!!!

[Metronome35]

I think beating the crap out of Batman, Spider-Man and Godzilla back in the Revenge of Shinobi were probably the finest moments in ninja-based videogame playing.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Probably for the same reason we can't have a game about knights without dragons and magic thrown into the mix, cause people expect it. Just like they expect mystical stuff when it comes to ninjas its part of the legends and the myths.


Three words...


Mount and Blade.

[Aziz Abbasi]

Seriously, I love ninjas, who dosne't? but how come every game worth its salt tosses in all the mystic magic trash deamons and other supernatural sh!t? cant we just have plain ol assassinations and other ninja action?

thanks for listening to my rant. its over now.Shinobi 3for "Sega Genesis" & "Ninja Gaiden" for the "classic GameBoy" aren't simple ninja games, but there is absolutely nothing mystic in them whatsoever - I Think -
Tenchu is a classy simple ninja game with stealth and assassination, all heroes and villains are entirely human

[Xero Kaiser]

Shinobi 3for "Sega Genesis" & "Ninja Gaiden" for the "classic GameBoy" aren't simple ninja games, but there is absolutely nothing mystic in them whatsoever - I Think -
Tenchu is a classy simple ninja game with stealth and assassination, all heroes and villains are entirely human

You haven't actually played any of those games, have you?

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Shinobi 3for "Sega Genesis" & "Ninja Gaiden" for the "classic GameBoy" aren't simple ninja games, but there is absolutely nothing mystic in them whatsoever - I Think -
Tenchu is a classy simple ninja game with stealth and assassination, all heroes and villains are entirely human

Elemental ninjutsu moves are mystic. So that takes Shinobi and Ninja Gaiden out of the list.

Hell, that takes Tenchu out too (even the most realistic game in that series, Tenchu Z, which I've brought up enough times in this thread, has a some unrealistic items and techniques).

[Aziz Abbasi]

You haven't actually played any of those games, have you?
Finished them all more over five times each, but last time was a few years ago so I'm a bit foggy about it

[Metronome35]

So, did Joe summoning big fiery dragons, or forming a shield of lightning round himself not strike you as mystic?

[Aziz Abbasi]

So, did Joe summoning big fiery dragons, or forming a shield of lightning round himself not strike you as mystic?Forgot about these
You know your avatar is a guy?

[Young Avenger]

I-Ninja didn't have any mystic from what I remember.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I-Ninja didn't have any mystic from what I remember.

That game had a dragon, and plenty of cartoon-ish sci-fi though.


And he rode on a giant shuriken. (which was awesome)

[Metronome35]

Forgot about these
You know your avatar is a guy?

Certainly. Bridget wouldn't be particularly interesting if he was female instead.