Favorite Underrated Villains

[JaredMilne]

This forum is dedicated to your favorite obscure and underrated villains and what you like about them. I'm not talking about the likes of Doctor Octopus or Magneto, but characters like the ones I'm posting below, the obscure C- and D-list villains who could have a lot more depth to them if a writer put in the effort...

Firebrand: You can never have too many pyromaniacal villains. If I were writing something like Brand New Day, or a revival of a character like Darkhawk or Sleepwalker (I wish), one of the first things I'd do is dust off Harvey Broxtel, turn up his pyromania, and watch the fun. Not every villain needs a tragic backstory or sympathetic traits-as Alfred Pennyworth once observed, some men just want to watch the world burn.

8-Ball: One of the tragic aspects of the Sleepwalker comics is that almost no one has used Bob Budiansky's villains since the series ended. 8-Ball has (or had) a lot of unrealized potential, including a humorous, swaggering personality with a lot more flair than anyone with a giant billiard ball for a head ought to have. He'd have made a great second-tier spider-villain on par with the likes of the Shocker or the Vulture, or as a mainstay for heroes like Gravity, Daredevil or one of the Spider-Women. In any event, he deserved a lot more than to just be ignominously killed off by the Wrecker.

The Nasty Boys: Cool powers and cooler personalities, these guys would make great thugs-for-hire or general antagonists if you're writing a street-level hero and you want to include a couple of guest stars for a brief storyline while providing them with some nifty opponents. Again, how come no one has used these guys?

The Ringer: Anthony Davis had one of the most interesting personal developments for an obscure character I've ever seen. Starting out as a bitter, borderline Marxist in the Defenders, he was defeated by Nighthawk and was subsequently shaken, before he was suckered into taking on Spider-Man, who proceeded to destroy what was left of his self-confidence. He tried and failed to redeem his reputation before he was put out of his misery by the Scourge, before A.I.M. gave him a second lease on life as Strikeback. Filled with new confidence, Davis proceeded to kick ass left and right in the Deadly Foes of Spider-Man and saved his wife Leila, turning her towards a better path before he finally died...a man at peace with himself.

Aside from that, the Ringer suit has a lot of otherwise unnoticed potential. A creative mind could probably find any number of creative combat applications for his powers.

The Porcupine: When you consider just how many different kinds of weapons Alexander Gentry loaded into his battle armor, the Porcupine armor could actually be a pretty deadly weapon if it was used by a halfway competent fighter. Again, there are a lot of creative possibilities with the variety of weapons the Porcupine has.

Jack O'Lantern: Because flaming pumpkins are cool. 'Nuff said.

Psyko: Another Bob Budiansky classic, it baffles me that no one has used him since. He'd make a great villain for Ghost Rider, Wolverine or Spider-Man. Don't believe me? Along with his freakish appearance:

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=69720&zoom=4

http://www.comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=69721&zoom=4

His powers include being able to drive you crazy just by looking at you. What's not to like?

Piecemeal: One of Peter David's best creations, this guy is a psychological whackjob that J.M. DeMatteis would absolutely love. Deadly powers and the ability to take the Hulk in a straight-up fight...someone mind telling me why no one is using this guy?

Fever Pitch: Because flaming skeletons are cool. Again, 'Nuff said.

The Brothers Grimm: They use all kinds of warped fairy-tale imagery with their powers, and they're mentally unhinged to boot. If they're written properly, they could be Tim Burton crossed wth David Lynch.

Post your favorite obscure villains here, and why you love them.

[RolandJP]

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[Mr. Cakes]

I love Firebrand, 8-Ball, the Nasty Boys, and the Brothers Grimm!

My personal favorites:

The Serpent Society -- one of the greatest villain groups of all time with the realistic goal of profit. They're not like the idiotic villain groups who hold grudges (though they don't care for Captain America much), they know when they're overpowered and do their best to get what they need and go. Gruenwald's run of Cap focused heavily on the Serpent Society, too, which is nice when villains get some characterization placed on them. The best members are Anaconda, Sidewinder, Black Mamba, Cobra, Diamondback, and Bushmaster, though all of them are great in their own ways.

Blizzard -- okay, not necessarily a villain anymore, but I love him. Fabian Nicieza really made him shine in Thunderbolts and I really wish he would find his way to a current book. It's nice to have a troubled, insecure character like him amongst all the super-confident heroes. I also think he and Firebrand should be a gay couple.

Ruby Thursday -- all of the Headmen are awesome, but Ruby is brilliant. I think if you look past her silly older appearances and focus on her role in Defenders, she is a really great villain. She'd be a perfect Lex Luthor to a solo villain, she's a genius yet has the brawn to back up her brains.

Deathwatch, Hag, and Troll -- really interesting Ghost Rider villains who go unappreciated in current times. They were great during Spirits of Vengeance, especially the latter two, who haven't been seen since 1994. Deathwatch, however, gets an unspeaking role in the Hood's Army, which is something, I guess.

Poundcakes -- I love the original Grapplers, and Poundcakes was always my favorite (and surprisingly, the only one who didn't die or become a hero). I love that she's Marvel's version of Stompa from the Female Furies, and even though she can't really be taken too seriously, she's a good, underrated villain nonetheless.

Avalanche -- not that underrated, but definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves as a powerful X-Villain.

[pariah-1972]

Does Molecule Man count? i only know of him thru the Secret Wars when he was trying to be good but damnit i miss him.:mad:

[Zomling]

Zom, a once obscure Dr Strange villain until his recent use in WWH and New Avengers. Could be a great re-curring villain like Dormammu.

Madman - Underused PAD creation and the Leader's brother.

Dr Bong (If only for the name) foe of Howard the Duck.

A second vote for Molecule Man (if he counts).

Solarr (another good one killed by the Scourge)

[JaredMilne]

I love Firebrand, 8-Ball, the Nasty Boys, and the Brothers Grimm!

My personal favorites:

The Serpent Society -- one of the greatest villain groups of all time with the realistic goal of profit. They're not like the idiotic villain groups who hold grudges (though they don't care for Captain America much), they know when they're overpowered and do their best to get what they need and go. Gruenwald's run of Cap focused heavily on the Serpent Society, too, which is nice when villains get some characterization placed on them. The best members are Anaconda, Sidewinder, Black Mamba, Cobra, Diamondback, and Bushmaster, though all of them are great in their own ways.

Blizzard -- okay, not necessarily a villain anymore, but I love him. Fabian Nicieza really made him shine in Thunderbolts and I really wish he would find his way to a current book. It's nice to have a troubled, insecure character like him amongst all the super-confident heroes. I also think he and Firebrand should be a gay couple.

Avalanche -- not that underrated, but definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves as a powerful X-Villain.

You've listed quite a few people I forgot. The Serpent Society deserves credit for actively trying to build a long-lasting criminal organization that has long-term plans beyond simply conquering or extorting the world, and actually taking the time to plan and develop their operations, at least moreso than most supervillain teams.

Similarly, Avalanche deserves credit for trying to use his powers creatively. Anybody can knock over an armored car or rob a bank, but using your powers to blackmail a whole friggin' state takes a lot of stones. His fight with the Hulk was one of my favorites, although I have to wonder what would happen if Avalanche tried to use his powers on someone who couldn't resist them as well as the Hulk, like an ordinary human, say.


Does Molecule Man count? i only know of him thru the Secret Wars when he was trying to be good but damnit i miss him.:mad:

He sure does.


Solarr (another good one killed by the Scourge)

Dammit, this was another one I forgot. Another minor-leaguer who would have made a great spider-villain or Daredevil foe, if anyone had gotten around to using him besides J.M. DeMatteis in that one classic issue of Marvel Team-Up where he tangled with Spidey and DD.

I never liked the Scourge. Guys like Firebrand, the Ringer, Hellrazor, Megatak, Death Adder, the Basilisk, the Vamp/Animus and Hammer and Anvil, all of whom had some perfectly good concepts behind them if they were developed some more, were thrown away without giving someone else a chance to fix them.

Mark Gruenwald had a lot of good ideas, but the Scourge was not one of them.

[Ferago]

Does Omega Red count? Always been one of my favorites.

[Wind-Breaker]

Arcade
Achebe
Mojo
Nasty Boys
Moleman
White Rabbit

[Tracer Bullet]

Does Molecule Man count? i only know of him thru the Secret Wars when he was trying to be good but damnit i miss him.:mad:

Didn't they reveal he was part of a Cosmic Cube or some crap? uggh. The guy was wicked powerful though.

[taozen]

Davos- Steel Serpent/Pheonix --I always thought that he was very underutilized in Marvel Comics. He has been an Iron fist villian and on a few ocassions, a Spiderman villian in the old Marvel Team-Up series. But I always thought that he would give huge problems to heroes like: Daredevil, Wolverine, and Cap. He is the evil iron fist technique wise. He has given Spiderman a difficult time in the past and would bring a hell of a battle to any other fighter in the marvel universe.

[ComiXFanBoy]

i miss the villians byrne created for lost generation

[Drcharles]

Blizzard -- okay, not necessarily a villain anymore, but I love him. Fabian Nicieza really made him shine in Thunderbolts and I really wish he would find his way to a current book. It's nice to have a troubled, insecure character like him amongst all the super-confident heroes. .

I didn't relise he was still going. is he the same old DareDevil foe ?

One of my all time Favorites is, Th Purpleman,

[Zero Hunter]

Batroc the Leaper. Nothing else can compare.

[DubipR]

The Serpent Society -- one of the greatest villain groups of all time with the realistic goal of profit. They're not like the idiotic villain groups who hold grudges (though they don't care for Captain America much), they know when they're overpowered and do their best to get what they need and go. Gruenwald's run of Cap focused heavily on the Serpent Society, too, which is nice when villains get some characterization placed on them. The best members are Anaconda, Sidewinder, Black Mamba, Cobra, Diamondback, and Bushmaster, though all of them are great in their own ways.

Blizzard -- okay, not necessarily a villain anymore, but I love him. Fabian Nicieza really made him shine in Thunderbolts and I really wish he would find his way to a current book. It's nice to have a troubled, insecure character like him amongst all the super-confident heroes. I also think he and Firebrand should be a gay couple.

Ruby Thursday -- all of the Headmen are awesome, but Ruby is brilliant. I think if you look past her silly older appearances and focus on her role in Defenders, she is a really great villain. She'd be a perfect Lex Luthor to a solo villain, she's a genius yet has the brawn to back up her brains.

Deathwatch, Hag, and Troll -- really interesting Ghost Rider villains who go unappreciated in current times. They were great during Spirits of Vengeance, especially the latter two, who haven't been seen since 1994. Deathwatch, however, gets an unspeaking role in the Hood's Army, which is something, I guess.

Poundcakes -- I love the original Grapplers, and Poundcakes was always my favorite (and surprisingly, the only one who didn't die or become a hero). I love that she's Marvel's version of Stompa from the Female Furies, and even though she can't really be taken too seriously, she's a good, underrated villain nonetheless.

Avalanche -- not that underrated, but definitely doesn't get the credit he deserves as a powerful X-Villain.

Of course the Society is up there, Cakes! Great list though
Here's one of my all time underrated villains:

Volcana
While Slott used Titania too much, her partner in crime and all around great gal, Marsha Rosenburg sits on the sidelines. Sure she's in love with Molecule Man, but she could do better. Also, she's Jewish, slightly overweight and can kick some major ass.

[nj06]

I always liked M'baku the Man-Ape from Black Panther. Although I don't know if he is considered all that underrated.

[Wind-Breaker]

I always liked M'baku the Man-Ape from Black Panther. Although I don't know if he is considered all that underrated.

Probably he is. My favorite BP villain by far was Achebe, man was he a scene stealer.

[TJKernan]

Zaran The Weapon Master.

and

The Fly. That guy was a cool Spidey villain, with a load of fun powers...

[marshal99]

Madcap , the guy's a hoot. His healing factor puts wolverine's to shame and he is immune to Ghost rider's penance stare. He and Deadpool had great chemistry against one another. Tit for tat.

Klaw is another underrated villain , well known but very underrated. His powers should have made him a power player but he's not , often losing to black panther. The shame of it all.

[HulkSmash666]

I was going to say The Fly, too!

I reckon, done properly and given a more badass look and fleshing out of his powers then he'd be a pretty formidable opponent.

If Spider-Man has the proportionate powers of a spider, imagine the proportionate powers of a fly?

Unbelievable speed, agility, reflexes, superior to even Spider-Man, plus the ability to stick to walls, fly at ridiculous speeds with unparalled maneuvreability and agility, plus a significant degree of super strength and durability.

Add some cool weapons to his costume and he could pose a decent threat to anyone Spidey level or under.


Another is Blackout, the vampire foe of Ghost Rider. I'd like to see him go up against Blade, Morbius, Spider-Man, Wolverine or Daredevil. Someone who he'd really pose a threat to, as GR is perhaps a little outhis league these days.

I'd love to see more of him, perhaps in a villain group alongside other monsters opposing the new Midnight Sons.

Such as Mr Hyde, Scarecrow and Vengeane, for example.

[Tobias March]

Silver Dagger (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Isaiah_Curwen_(Earth-616)). I loved him during his original appearance and his eventual fate with the hooka smoking caterpillar (you read that right) - but seems he's been returned to Earth a few times since then.

Here's a man who needs a return to form.

[Zomling]

Another is Blackout, the vampire foe of Ghost Rider. I'd like to see him go up against Blade, Morbius, Spider-Man, Wolverine or Daredevil. Someone who he'd really pose a threat to, as GR is perhaps a little outhis league these days.



A fight with Wolverine is certainly possible as if I'm not mistaken Blackout is part of the Hood's gang in New Avengers.

[HulkSmash666]

A fight with Wolverine is certainly possible as if I'm not mistaken Blackout is part of the Hood's gang in New Avengers.

Yeah, he is, but he hsn't had any "screen time", nor has made any real impact since joining.

I prefer Blackout as he was in the 90's Ghost Rider stories, where he was a viable and formidable threat. He'd target GR's close friends and allies, or random innocents. When Blackout showed up, someone was gonna die. At least that's how I remember him. It's been a while.

Anyone short of GR was gonna get seriously hurt if they tangled with him. That's the vibe he gave off when he showed up.

Kinda like Sabretooth for Wolverine. Whenever Creed showed up, he was a danger to anyone close to Logan, and a ticking timebomb for any innocents that crossed his path.

More Blackout is needed. But away from the GR stories and more to do with the main stream MU.

[Jimmy Holograph]

Boomerang- Rooting for the Aussie here, but I don't think any writer has passed him off as more than a Bullseye analogue with a lower ruthless streak, though they share a lot (origin, methods).

Tombstone - One of my favourite villains. I liked how he was portrayed in Brubakers Daredevil, where he beat Matt in a straight H2H fight, as he should. I think he should pose a very big threat to a lot of guys out there, specifically the street-level heroes. We might see him in the upcoming DD arc, possibly working for the Kingpin in Europe, as he was working there for the late Vanessa Fisk.

Spymaster- I liked Joe Casey's update from The Inevitable, Spymaster always struck me as a guy that could REALLY screw with Tony Stark's life, I mean he put Happy Hogan into the coma leading to his "death." I wanted to see more of that play out. But it seems he's getting another revamp in Dark Reign.

[Kasper Cole]

Achebe and the ever comical Daki
Molecule Man
Volcana
Killmonger
Moses Magnum

[Nolan Ryan]

Space Phantom has always been a cool,c-lister character as well. There was an arc in Spectacular Spider-Man featuring the Avengers that introduced me to him. Always intrigued me anyway...

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

Red Ghost and the Super Apes, those apes are damn cool.
The Black Fox, not really a villain, but a smooth old crook nonetheless.
Stegron the Dinosaur Man, put to good use in a Spec Spider-Man arc a short while ago.

[Bullcityjl]

Another is Blackout, the vampire foe of Ghost Rider. I'd like to see him go up against Blade, Morbius, Spider-Man, Wolverine or Daredevil. Someone who he'd really pose a threat to, as GR is perhaps a little outhis league these days.

I'd love to see more of him, perhaps in a villain group alongside other monsters opposing the new Midnight Sons.

Such as Mr Hyde, Scarecrow and Vengeane, for example.

I agree with that one. I think a lot of Strange's rogues really don't get enough run. Those are some powerful guys who'd be fun in the proper writer's hands (if only Marvel could bring back Grant Morrison...).

What ever happened to the that guy who went around in Captain America killing supervillains and yelling "justice is served" (or something like that) back in the 90s? I can't even remember the guy's name, but he was badass.

[Leebenhouse]

What ever happened to the that guy who went around in Captain America killing supervillains and yelling "justice is served" (or something like that) back in the 90s? I can't even remember the guy's name, but he was badass.

That's Scourge, and that was in the 80s. Boy does that guy have a convoluted origin.

I'd say a lot of the villains the Thuderbolts fought in that huge Masters of Evil that the second Crimson Cowl put together. Now that was a crew!

[TJKernan]

Don't you mean Space PhantomS. Avengers Forever showed up that he wasn't one of a kind, but there are a bunch of them out there...

Also, isn't THAT Scourge guy dead? Not that there wasn't quite a string of successors...

[Bullcityjl]

That's Scourge, and that was in the 80s. Boy does that guy have a convoluted origin.

I'd say a lot of the villains the Thuderbolts fought in that huge Masters of Evil that the second Crimson Cowl put together. Now that was a crew!

Thanks. I had his name on the tip of my brain, and couldn't remember it.

[Madison Carter]

Solarr (another good one killed by the Scourge)

Scourge didn't kill Solarr. He was killed by Bres, one of the Fomor.

[Leebenhouse]

Scourge didn't kill Solarr. He was killed by Bres, one of the Fomor.
Ah, though Sunstroke has been theorized to be Solarr, since they have identical powers. And no origin has ever been given for Sunstroke.

[pariah-1972]

Spider-mans enemy the Spot was completely hilarious i wish people would use him more.

[Mr. Cakes]

A few more...

Aqueduct -- I liked him when he was Water Wizard, he was a pretty ridiculous villain yet interesting enough to keep wanting to read more of him. I like his transition to Aqueduct, also, even though both names are pretty lame.

Volcana -- it's a shame she seems to have been ditched, with Secret Wars and the sequel being her only major focuses. I would love to see her come back as either a hero or a villain, she certainly has enough power to be a formidable enemy for any of the heroes.

Sinsear -- a really great Cable enemy, even though his time has past, I'd really like him to be revisted.

Stunner -- definitely one of the greatest female Spider-Man foes, she had a really fascinating origin and I thought it could definitely go places. Unfortunately, it seems like her story's been told, and Doctor Octopus has forgotten about her. It would be cool to see her pop up again one day, though, even if it's just her Angelina Brancale persona.

[celticguy]

Boomarang

Unus (the guy who could put a force field around himself)

Egghead now that pym is being beefed up time to bring back his biggest foe.

[James Conniff]

Davos-The Steel Serpent. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Serpent)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Steel_serpent.jpg

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

Stunner -- definitely one of the greatest female Spider-Man foes, she had a really fascinating origin and I thought it could definitely go places. Unfortunately, it seems like her story's been told, and Doctor Octopus has forgotten about her. It would be cool to see her pop up again one day, though, even if it's just her Angelina Brancale persona.
I 100% agree. From the looks of things she'd been kept alive by that machine, and should she be discovered, maybe whoever found her can ressurect Stunner. Then maybe Stunner will want revenge against Ock for abandoning her, and Spidey needs to stop her. I hope the Brain Trust can roll with that.

[Nefarius]

Stunner-One of the few female enemies of Spider-man that i've had enjoyed(beside Delilah).It's shame that writers have forgotten her sacrifice to revive Dr Octopus.Her being in coma would be a good chance to put some personal grudge between Ock and Spidey.

Delilah-I enjoyed her as being Rose's(Jacob Connover) right-hand woman and his private female assasin.

Jester:With a serious revamp,he has the potentials to be an interesting foe for DD again.(considering that he was killed in Civil War by Punisher,it's time to put someone more sociopath and intelligent to claim his intentity)

Dr Octopus:Ok,ok,i know that Ock isn't a C or B list villain,but i feel that most of writers tend to ignore him or miswrite him.Except his overuse during Spiderman 2 film period(which some of those stories where good but most of them are mediocre),writers seems to forgot that Octopus is the biggest foe of Spidey(Goblin has some great achievements but Ock's plan were far more ambitius and dangerous to the world).My problem is that Octopus is one of the few Spidey villains that has the potentials to be a world threat.For once,he had organised a Masters of Evil group against the Avengers,why not try that again,or organising his own gang of super-criminals.From all the A-list villains of Marvel,Octopus seems to be the most underused.

[lou-bert vs. q-bert]

Stunner-One of the few female enemies of Spider-man that i've had enjoyed(beside Delilah).It's shame that writers have forgotten her sacrifice to revive Dr Octopus.Her being in coma would be a good chance to put some personal grudge between Ock and Spidey.

Delilah-I enjoyed her as being Rose's(Jacob Connover) right-hand woman and his private female assasin.Again, 100% agree on Stunner. Delilah was great but kind of lost me when Ricochet (Peter Parker) kicked the crap out of her.

[nj06]

Probably he is. My favorite BP villain by far was Achebe, man was he a scene stealer.


Achebe was a great villian. His lunacy and warped mid contrasted perfectly with BP's seemingly stoic personality.

In a way, they kind of remind me of Batman and the Joker.

[mightyness]

Over-mind ( he controlled all of the Squadron Supreme Earth at one point)

Controller ( minion of Thanos and used his control discs tocontrol other heroes and villains)

[JurassicParkIsAnAwesomeMovie]

Davos
Sauron

a think of more in a sec I got to look for my charger for my labtop....Battery almost dead...

[AdamYJ]

The Beetle. I know they turned him into Mach V or something, but I loved that old Beetle armor. I also liked that Jenkins was pretty much in the villian business for thrills and glory.

[overcomebyfumes]

What ever happened to the Salem's Seven?

They were cool as hell, but I don't think they've been seen for a while.

pax.

[Stalzer2002]

Ah...underrated and obscure villains...a topic that is near and dear to my heart.

I completely agree with a lot of the characters already mentioned, especially Tombstone, the Ghost Rider villains and the Serpent Society. Here are few more:

The Ghost: Just a great character. The apprearance, the powers, the attitude, the motivation, all perfect. Finding out that he's on Diggle's Thunderbolts roster pretty much sold me on the book by itself.

Joystick: The Thunderbolts are mostly known for turning lame villains into cooler heroes. Well, Joystick was one example of just making a better villain.

The Walrus: C'mon, he has the proportionate strength, speed and agility of a walrus! What's not to love?

The Beetles: During Civil War, Nicieza introduced a group of three characters using Abe Jenkins' old armors. I thought that was a pretty cool idea.

Suicide: Another cool character from the 90s Ghost Rider series. He was a guy who wanted to kill himself, but lacked the courage to actually pull the trigger. So he made a deal with Mephisto to get it. The part that Mephisto left out was that only the Ghost Rider could kill him, making him otherwise immortal. He wasn't really a villain, I guess. He never did anything evil and even saved lives a couple of times. But he'd keep getting into fights with GR. I think he'd fit in well in Aaron's series.

[pariah-1972]

I really like the Calculator in the Birds of Prey it would be nice to see him work more in the bigger Dcu now that Birds is gonna be cancelled.

I like that he's a very normal and sane guy who just likes to work behind the scenes and make money and connections.

[Purple]

Is Tim Boo Baa obscure enough? Or criminal enough. Anyway, I'd love to see him appearing in more comics nowadays.

[arachne_azure]

My personal favorite underrated villains : The Serpent Society: the members that are under used : Coach whip (who could be used in an Amercan Eagle story) , Bush master (same), Fer de lance (who could be used in Moon Knight's current story line in Mexico), Diamondback to name a few,
Madcap: though technically not a villain, with his amped up healing factor, & insanity inducing ability, i am surprised he is not snaped up for Thunderbolts (with Norman, or Songbird's counter Thunderbolts)
Volcana: Reformed villainess I would not mind seeing her with Songbird in a counter Thunderbolts group.
Black out: not the vampire, but the Dark energy entity from Thunderbolts, give him some memory back, & utilize him as an enemy of Ms.Marvel (Moonstone)

[B. Kuwanger]

I liked the original Tombstone a lot. It was interesting to see an albino, even if he was a psychotic lowlife. He can still be put to good use in street level books. So can Bushwacker.

There are a lot of reasons why I'm into Diggle's Thunderbolts, but the most exciting thing for me is that Mr. X is making a comeback.

And though he's been in Cap somewhat recently, I don't think Crossbones has mattered in a long time. I used to really like him.