Beta Ray Bill Vs. Black Adam

[Kellhoun]

Standard Arena Match.

[Pendaran]

Oi vey zmir.

[mailedbypostman1]

*sighs* Beta Ray Bill dies...




Why me? Why my league team?

[robbieglenn]

black adam pwns this match

[Pike]

Er...based on what exactly?

This is almost a 50/50. Bill actually destroys planets. As in he destroys planets. His damage soak is huge and probably bigger than Thors. He has a plot device hammer. Bill should win the slight majority.

Reading your current reading list I should have figured it out that you are DC biased. Bill is a beast. A planet destroying beast. Even Adam hasn't done that. It's a really close fight.

[mailedbypostman1]

Er...based on what exactly?

This is almost a 50/50. Bill actually destroys planets. As in he destroys planets. His damage soak is huge and probably bigger than Thors. He has a plot device hammer. Bill should win the slight majority.

Reading your current reading list I should have figured it out that you are DC biased. Bill is a beast. A planet destroying beast. Even Adam hasn't done that. It's a really close fight.

With Beta Ray Bill's speed up in the air, Black Adam can still blitz. He can run at at least Mach 500, which is more than BRB while the damage soak is good, the speed is just too great.

[Pike]

With Beta Ray Bill's speed up in the air, Black Adam can still blitz. He can run at at least Mach 500, which is more than BRB while the damage soak is good, the speed is just too great.

Bill was designed to fight demons that move faster than light. He routinely fights in space and actually fought stardust between planets at at least light speed if not greater. Not flew next to Stardust but fought him as they flew between planets.

Bill's speed is even less in question then Thor's speed. With the ability to match Adam for speed Bill should eek out the majority just about.

[Pendaran]

And so it begins..

[Alex Smith]

And so it begins..

Haha, so is speed is in question, then? I honestly have no idea.

[robbieglenn]

yup, because I read DC im automatically a DC fanboy, even though I said Hawkeye would win against Green Arrow....right.:rolleyes:

I chose Black Adam because this guy can have pure bloodlust. sometimes he can be pure uncontrollable anger. I think that could tip the scales.

[Mr. Primetime]

There's also something that could turn things around in Beta Ray's favour if he gets access to it:

Skuttlebutt.

[mailedbypostman1]

There's also something that could turn things around in Beta Ray's favour if he gets access to it:

Skuttlebutt.

Speedblitz?

[Mr. Primetime]

Speedblitz?

Distraction while BRB charges a planet-busting hammer smash to Adam's head.

[Pike]

yup, because I read DC im automatically a DC fanboy, even though I said Hawkeye would win against Green Arrow....right.:rolleyes:

I chose Black Adam because this guy can have pure bloodlust. sometimes he can be pure uncontrollable anger. I think that could tip the scales.

Bill bit a herald of Galactus' arm off.

[The Arbiter]

Bill bit a herald of Galactus' arm off.

huh...never knew that.

He also managed to barely fracture Galactus's helmet.

However, I am going to need more proof of BRB's speed to call this match. I have seen the fight with stardust and I dont remember any nearly lightspeed or lightspeed movements. Do you have scans or something of the nature?:confused:

[Radioactive Zombie]

How can Adam be distracted, exactly? With the speeds, not sure if BRB's going to hit him...

[Sharpandpointies]

I chose Black Adam because this guy can have pure bloodlust. sometimes he can be pure uncontrollable anger. I think that could tip the scales.

Might want to look up the board rules on bloodlust - as in, everyone here fights at the best of their ability, even normally 'gentle' people like Superman (comparatively speaking).

[Powerboy]

Er...based on what exactly?

This is almost a 50/50. Bill actually destroys planets. As in he destroys planets. His damage soak is huge and probably bigger than Thors. He has a plot device hammer. Bill should win the slight majority.

Reading your current reading list I should have figured it out that you are DC biased. Bill is a beast. A planet destroying beast. Even Adam hasn't done that. It's a really close fight.

If that's the case, then on feats probably Bill. I don't think even Adam has been shown doing stuff like that.

Mind you, when we talk about the implications of how powerful someone is, I tend towards Black Adam but on feats... :confused:

[Sharpandpointies]

Setting aside the speed debate (which I'm just not getting into), here's a question.

How does Bill's durability do? What's the sort of consistent stuff he shrugs off?

I'm asking because I'm wondering if he might be able to pull off a 'Sentry Versus Superman' style win here - survive the speedblitz on pure durability, then blast the area enough to allow him to start laying the hurting down on Adam.

Is this possible? Or is Adam's damage output sufficient to smear Bill on a speedblitz?

I'm asking because Bill is a legit planetbuster, which puts his strength/hitting output higher than Adam's (unless Adam has some feats of which I'm unaware that put him at planetbuster level). But I don't know his durability.

[The Arbiter]

Setting aside the speed debate (which I'm just not getting into), here's a question.

How does Bill's durability do? What's the sort of consistent stuff he shrugs off?

I'm asking because I'm wondering if he might be able to pull off a 'Sentry Versus Superman' style win here - survive the speedblitz on pure durability, then blast the area enough to allow him to start laying the hurting down on Adam.

Is this possible? Or is Adam's damage output sufficient to smear Bill on a speedblitz?

I'm asking because Bill is a legit planetbuster, which puts his strength/hitting output higher than Adam's (unless Adam has some feats of which I'm unaware that put him at planetbuster level). But I don't know his durability.

IIRC (and thats a big "if") then BRB has flown through stars and such before. but this might be a non-feat seeing as how others have stated over various other threads, that Bill has a strange relationship with heat/flames....

I dunno.

[Captain Morgan]

Setting aside the speed debate (which I'm just not getting into), here's a question.

How does Bill's durability do? What's the sort of consistent stuff he shrugs off?

I'm asking because I'm wondering if he might be able to pull off a 'Sentry Versus Superman' style win here - survive the speedblitz on pure durability, then blast the area enough to allow him to start laying the hurting down on Adam.

Is this possible? Or is Adam's damage output sufficient to smear Bill on a speedblitz?

I'm asking because Bill is a legit planetbuster, which puts his strength/hitting output higher than Adam's (unless Adam has some feats of which I'm unaware that put him at planetbuster level). But I don't know his durability.


He's taken planets exploding on him. That's probably his top end thing. Galactus hit him once or twice to, but the attacks Galen used probably weren't planet busting or beyond (though one was a planet scarer.) Bill also drifted into a sun without harm.

Some people will try to tell you Bill survived flying into a black hole. Those people are liars.

[Mr. Primetime]

Some people will try to tell you Bill survived flying into a black hole. Those people are liars.

Yeah. I mean, who do they think he is, Lobo?

[Captain Morgan]

Yeah. I mean, who do they think he is, Lobo?

lol. Sorry, pet peeve of mine. People kept bringing up that Bill survived going into a black hole, when he got saved from being sucked into it, and the comic made it very clear he was convinced going into it would kill him.

[Holacik]

Bill bit a herald of Galactus' arm off.

I never heard that before, who did he do that to?

[Holacik]

Bill bit a herald of Galactus' arm off.

I never heard that before, who did he do that to?

[Captain Morgan]

I never heard that before, who did he do that to?


Stormbreaker: The Saga of BRB. Awesome comic.

[Holacik]

Stormbreaker: The Saga of BRB. Awesome comic.Okay, so who's arm did he bit off? Man he has some durable teeth.

[Captain Morgan]

Okay, so who's arm did he bit off? Man he has some durable teeth.

Stardust. Gal just grew it back though.

[Holacik]

Stardust. Gal just grew it back though.
Man though still a great feat.

[The Arbiter]

Stardust. Gal just grew it back though.

That was a really awesome fight in my opinion. BRB smashes stardust through a planet, then impales him into the rocky remains with his own staff.

Does anyone have scans?

[Sharpandpointies]

He's taken planets exploding on him. That's probably his top end thing. Galactus hit him once or twice to, but the attacks Galen used probably weren't planet busting or beyond (though one was a planet scarer.) Bill also drifted into a sun without harm.

Some people will try to tell you Bill survived flying into a black hole. Those people are liars.

Okay, so he takes planet-busting, or on that level. What kind of shape was he in after?

If he was still in decent shape (ie, took it, then smashed apart the guy he fought), I don't see why he can't survive hits from Black Adam long enough to fire up something area effect from Stormbringer (again, barring Adam actually being stronger than anything I've seen him pull so far).

He can do area effects with that plot device, can't he?

[The Arbiter]

Here is BRB biting off Stardusts arm.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/2461/stormbreaker408096qn.jpg

[Captain Morgan]

Okay, so he takes planet-busting, or on that level. What kind of shape was he in after?

If he was still in decent shape (ie, took it, then smashed apart the guy he fought), I don't see why he can't survive hits from Black Adam long enough to fire up something area effect from Stormbringer (again, barring Adam actually being stronger than anything I've seen him pull so far).

He can do area effects with that plot device, can't he?

Mmmmh... he did get pretty fucked up in the process. Not knocked out, but he certainly was feeling it.

I also think you might be underselling Adam a bit here. Guy's team wrecked the JSA and such. If Black Adam can blitz Bill, I'm pretty certain Bill would go down.

Adam is also the more durable, I've seen argued.

[Sharpandpointies]

Mmmmh... he did get pretty fucked up in the process. Not knocked out, but he certainly was feeling it.

I also think you might be underselling Adam a bit here. Guy's team wrecked the JSA and such. If Black Adam can blitz Bill, I'm pretty certain Bill would go down.

Adam is also the more durable, I've seen argued.

Clears that up, then. Thanks!

[The Arbiter]

BRB planet busts.

Purely epic.:cool:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8379/064kp.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/9451/070ae1.jpg

[Lochdale]

lol. Sorry, pet peeve of mine. People kept bringing up that Bill survived going into a black hole, when he got saved from being sucked into it, and the comic made it very clear he was convinced going into it would kill him.

It was sort of a magic black hole though. He was in the process of being sucked in before he was saved.

As and aside, Skuttlebutt, Bill's ship, was designed to target and destroy lightspeed demons. Bill, while flying across half a galaxy, is targeted by skuttlebutt but still manages to dodge the lasers. That, coupled with his inter-planetary fight with Stardust suggests light reflexes.

[Lochdale]

Mmmmh... he did get pretty fucked up in the process. Not knocked out, but he certainly was feeling it.

I also think you might be underselling Adam a bit here. Guy's team wrecked the JSA and such. If Black Adam can blitz Bill, I'm pretty certain Bill would go down.

Adam is also the more durable, I've seen argued.

You've seen it argued but won't argue it yourself? Maybe Adam is more durable but Bill had a planet explode around him and he survived. Adam hasn't busted a planet which is the force Bill survived.

Now maybe Adam has better durability feats but what are some of them?

I don't think Bill is blitzable by Adam and I think he has durabilty to at least match Adam. I think he also has a better offensive arsenal though Adam did hurt the Spectre.

[Captain Morgan]

It was sort of a magic black hole though. He was in the process of being sucked in before he was saved.




It wasn't magic. Stardust opened it. And yes, he was in the process of being sucked in... and helpless to prevent it, and sure it would kill him. As was Stardust, which is weird considering how Surfer treats black holes. Well, Stardust did recover from the incident.



As and aside, Skuttlebutt, Bill's ship, was designed to target and destroy lightspeed demons. Bill, while flying across half a galaxy, is targeted by skuttlebutt but still manages to dodge the lasers. That, coupled with his inter-planetary fight with Stardust suggests light reflexes.

Not touching this debate. Though props for dropping FTL tag for light reflexes.

[Lochdale]

It wasn't magic. Stardust opened it. And yes, he was in the process of being sucked in... and helpless to prevent it, and sure it would kill him. As was Stardust, which is weird considering how Surfer treats black holes. Well, Stardust did recover from the incident.



Maybe in her energy form she would be more affected by it? And Bill had been through the ringer for a number of issues so he was beaten down.


Not touching this debate. Though props for dropping FTL tag for light reflexes

He's at least light. From the Stardust fight as they zip between planets to his dodging skuttlebutt at galaxy spanning speeds I think Bill is even an easier debate than Thor.

[Captain Morgan]

You've seen it argued but won't argue it yourself? Maybe Adam is more durable but Bill had a planet explode around him and he survived. Adam hasn't busted a planet which is the force Bill survived.

Now maybe Adam has better durability feats but what are some of them?

I don't think Bill is blitzable by Adam and I think he has durabilty to at least match Adam. I think he also has a better offensive arsenal though Adam did hurt the Spectre.

Well, Pen was the one arguing Adam is more durable. I tend to trust his opinion on such things.

Off the top of my head, Adam's taken shots from Ominar Synn with the Claw of Horus and kept coming back for more. The Claw of Horus alone being able to basically hit you with the planet. He's also had people try and open tesseracts the size of a football field inside his head, and such.

[Ragnorok64]

I was never too big on the whole "hit you with the planet" thing for the Claw of Horus. Seems too narrative hyperbole-y.

[Captain Morgan]

I was never too big on the whole "hit you with the planet" thing for the Claw of Horus. Seems too narrative hyperbole-y.

I dunno, I was lead to believe it had some pretty sick feats... but I don't read JSA. You would have to ask Pen.

[Lochdale]

That's impressive durability. Equally, Bill has taken shots from Ego and took a good beating from warrior madness Thor and survived. In fact, he actually beat Thor.

It's an incredibly close fight (I think Adam has a much better chance against Bill than Superman does) that could go either way. Bill has the plot device hammer and the godblast whereas Adam has his move where he energizes his entire body.

Good fight.

[Captain Morgan]

That's impressive durability. Equally, Bill has taken shots from Ego and took a good beating from warrior madness Thor and survived. In fact, he actually beat Thor.

It's an incredibly close fight (I think Adam has a much better chance against Bill than Superman does) that could go either way. Bill has the plot device hammer and the godblast whereas Adam has his move where he energizes his entire body.

Good fight.

Agreed. I'd still rather see Orion go at with one of the hammer blood brothers myself though.

[Lochdale]

Big fan of Orion. Would be a great fight. The more I see of Bill the more durable he appears which means he may just have it over Thor.

Orion, bloodlusted, is a beast. Tough call.

[Pendaran]

which is weird considering how Surfer treats black holes.

The Surfer is one of the most powerful of the heralds, bear in mind.


I was never too big on the whole "hit you with the planet" thing for the Claw of Horus. Seems too narrative hyperbole-y.

The damn thing has basically casually turned off Jay's speed force granted frictionless aura, and a variety of other crazy crap. It's an entirely potent weapon.

[Ragnorok64]

The damn thing has basically casually turned off Jay's speed force granted frictionless aura, and a variety of other crazy crap. It's an entirely potent weapon.

What does that have to do with hitting someone with a planet though? Out of curiosity what all does it do?

[Pendaran]

What does that have to do with hitting someone with a planet though? Out of curiosity what all does it do?

It backs up that it can channel the planet's em field into a punch when it can basically dick around with the speed force like it's a joke, as far as its control over fundamental forces, which is basically what it does.

Control over all fundamental forces and such, from magnetism to the speed force.

[Crawford]

Isn't Bill one of those few characters that is durable enough to take a blitz? After a long battle with Stardust, a herald of Galactus, Bill took a planet busting attack, Stardust pummeled both him and Asteroth through a planet which caused it to explode, and while looking pretty messed up Bill was abe to keep fighting.

Can Adam even put out that much damage?

[Becoming An Anthropologist]

yup, because I read DC im automatically a DC fanboy, even though I said Hawkeye would win against Green Arrow....right.:rolleyes:

I chose Black Adam because this guy can have pure bloodlust. sometimes he can be pure uncontrollable anger. I think that could tip the scales.

Hawkeye stand no chance against green-arrow. I'm just saying...

On topic, I know Black Adam, but I've never read a comic with Beta Ray Bill. So I'm pretty much useless.:evilsmile:

[PatchMadripoor]

I chose Black Adam because this guy can have pure bloodlust. sometimes he can be pure uncontrollable anger. I think that could tip the scales.

I believe that Bill is up there on the uncontrollable anger dept.

Stormbreaker: Sage of Beta Ray Bill - During his fight with Asteroth in the ruins of Asgard, Bill jams his hand down the reborn demon's maw and holds him/her still by the throat and pounds the hell out of Asteroth. The energy released from Beta Ray Bill's fury is so much that it does what Stardust and Alpha could not do earlier - tear Bill to pieces.

Bill can get a serious mad on that destroys him as well as anyone else he fights, and will continue to keep pounding away regardless.