Alan Davis and Excalibur Forever. Any interest?

[david r]

So we have a "What if....Chris Claremont had never left the X-Men" book coming out, called X-Men Forever. I'm still wandering around in a joyful daze from the news. :tongue: But my question is this: WHO IS INTERESTED IN AN "EXCALIBUR FOREVER" BOOK? Bringing writer/artist Alan Davis to the characters he is so known for, and picking up with #68, right where he left off? What say you?? :smile:

[Josef F.]

I say no. For a variety of reasons.

[Tilt]

Yes please!

Also, a trade of his run on the book would be fantastic. He was so amazing, taking all the loose ends CC left and bringing it all together making a fantastically entertaining run. He saved this book, it had been left aimlessly wandering causing people to loose interest and Davis made it all make sense. His imaginative use of humor and drama while mixing fantasy and sci-fi elements and his expressive (and beautiful) panels is always such a joy to read.

[Daithi]

No, Davis managed to wrap up his entire Excalibur plot by himself with the issues available to him. He doesn't need more time to finish "his" story.

[Bingo!]

So we have a "What if....Chris Claremont had never left the X-Men" book coming out, called X-Men Forever. I'm still wandering around in a joyful daze from the news. :tongue: But my question is this: WHO IS INTERESTED IN AN "EXCALIBUR FOREVER" BOOK? Bringing writer/artist Alan Davis to the characters he is so known for, and picking up with #68, right where he left off? What say you?? :smile:

Alan Davis and Mark Farmer? Now you're talking, david r.

I know a lot of people disliked Excalibur, but it was fresh and funny when compared to the other xbooks. I'd absolutely go bonkers seeing Davis pick up his work from Excalibur 67. All Davis' quirky British characters always brought a smile to my face.

[Tilt]

Just seeing Courtney still be evil Sat-yr-9 and where that would have gone along with Jamie not having ended up on Muir for no reason when he was last seen being taken away with Sat-yr-9's army would be great. More disco Tangerine? Yes, please. The Rachel Micromax romance Davis talked about is another thing I'd have liked to have seen. And Kitty dating PsiLord to Rachel's chagrin? I'd have been rivited to the page hoping for Frank and Ray to get back together.

Excalibur would also be staying in Braddock Manor, and Cerise wouldn't have been retconned into a Shi'ar traitor. Brian and Meggan would have gotten married much sooner, we'd have seen what would happen to Kylun, Widget, and Feron too.

[Joe Franklin]

I say YES! to anything Alan Davis writes and draws.:cool:

I even bought his Clan Destine mini last year, and I hate the Destine characters. But I always buy anything Alan Davis does.

[Bingo!]

I say YES! to anything Alan Davis writes and draws.:cool:

I even bought his Clan Destine mini last year, and I hate the Destine characters. But I always buy anything Alan Davis does.

Ouch! The Destine family reminds me the Addams family with powers. They have a wonderful and rich history. Though, I can completely see how they'd irrate some.

[MartinRedmond]

I doubt Alan Davis would want to.

[darknessatnoon]

I doubt Alan Davis would want to.

He doesn't seem to have the same raging ego issues as other creators.

[Joe Franklin]

Speaking of Alan Davis.

http://i.newsarama.com/nycc09/mondo2/maspot040_70th_cov_col.jpg

[Dusty.]

Give the new Captain Britain and MI:13 series a try if you haven't. A great jumping on point begins in Vampire State this Wednesday.

As far as Alan Davis on Excalibur Forever, I prefer that not be the case right now. He should be doing big mainstream stuff, not obscure alternate reality comics.

[Blade X]

So we have a "What if....Chris Claremont had never left the X-Men" book coming out, called X-Men Forever. I'm still wandering around in a joyful daze from the news. :tongue: But my question is this: WHO IS INTERESTED IN AN "EXCALIBUR FOREVER" BOOK? Bringing writer/artist Alan Davis to the characters he is so known for, and picking up with #68, right where he left off? What say you?? :smile:

I say a big HELL YES.

[jarrod]

No, Davis managed to wrap up his entire Excalibur plot by himself with the issues available to him. He doesn't need more time to finish "his" story.
He had plans for Kurt's origins, but those got scuttled and replaced eventually with Lobdell's Unlimited story iirc. It was originally supposed to happen in Excalibur #59-60 iirc, but we got that last second, largely terrible, Black Panther arc instead. :/



I'd love seeing Davis work on something X-related again (or even a CB&MI13 fill in), but no more elseworlds what ifs plz. I was nice seeing the classic Excalibur in Clandestine (classic Rachel especially) but that was about the limit imo.

[MartinRedmond]

He doesn't seem to have the same raging ego issues as other creators.

nag nag nag Chris Claremont this... Chris Claremont that...Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont Chris Claremont

[MartinRedmond]

For some reason, I dislike Davis' 90s work, but the sequel he did to The Nail in 2004 and pretty much anything he's done this new decade has been awesome!!! Fantastic Four: The End, Clandestine, Another Nail.

[jarrod]

For some reason, I dislike Davis' 90s work, but the sequel he did to The Nail in 2004 and pretty much anything he's done this new decade has been awesome!!! Fantastic Four: The End, Clandestine, Another Nail.
I loved his Excalibur wrap up, even if it was a bit too neat. His X-Men run was pretty mediocre, but I did like some some of the character interactions. The Rogue/Kurt/Kitty issue was fun.

[Rachel Grey]

Yeah, I'd certainly give it a read.

[Flâneur]

There's nothing to 'forever', he doesn't seem to be as possessive as certain other creators nor do I think he's stock piled expansive scripts for Excalibur (and with that bi-weekly schedule, we know CC is pretty much just adapting old ones). If you want to see more Alan Davis stuff then give him a new book rather than a nostalgia piece that I'm sure he hasn't been pushing for.

[creaky]

I'm torn. Davis' stuff tends to be too much on the schmaltzy and prancy side for me in the long run. But he's one of few creators who gives Kurt respect and would do something with him. And his art is gorgeous . But...I dunno. I lean towards a "no", I guess, but I would probably check it out.

[XSE Drake]

I'd rather see Rob Liefeld's X-Feet: Forever Tiny

[The Sword Is Drawn]

So we have a "What if....Chris Claremont had never left the X-Men" book coming out, called X-Men Forever. I'm still wandering around in a joyful daze from the news. :tongue: But my question is this: WHO IS INTERESTED IN AN "EXCALIBUR FOREVER" BOOK? Bringing writer/artist Alan Davis to the characters he is so known for, and picking up with #68, right where he left off? What say you?? :smile:

I'm in two minds. Yes there were plenty more places he could have gone with the book, and the loose character threads he had, but I doubt it would sell anywhere near enough to sustain itself. I mean just look at what happened with Clan Destine. I thought that was a dead cert for a longer run. I was clearly wrong.

It really would be a bit of a dream book for me. But at the same point, I'm not sure that Davis version of those characters quite lives up to modern comics. Captain Britain & MI13 and Warren Ellis 90s Excalibur are what more people seem to want to read right now. And so they should, there both bloody good. Davis run is an absolute classic. But it is very 80s into 90s. I loved that it made use of and acknowledged the rest of the early 90s Marvel UK characters, and if it involved more of those (Motormouth, Killpower, Dark Angel Death's Head) I might feel differently. But as JUST Excalibur I'm not sure it would work so well.

No, Davis managed to wrap up his entire Excalibur plot by himself with the issues available to him. He doesn't need more time to finish "his" story.

That's really not the case. I mean Davis had his own origin for Nightcrawler, had Rachel very much as the ONLY Phoenix, and had several ongoing plots for characters which were never finished. Cerise was never meant to be a Shi'ar, for example. That was a Lobdell retcon. Davis had a whole other origin to be revealed about her.

Micromax had finally joined up with Excalibur and Davis had plans of properly integrating him with the team. Lobdell axed him.

Likewise Feron. Lobdell axed him.

Davis had sent Kylun off on a personal mission to find out what had become of his parents. The Vixen had taken them. But since Sat-yr-9 had eliminated the Vixen (And moulded Nigel into her form as a stand in) it was uncertain what had happened to them. This plot was never completed.

You see, the more I talk about it, the more interest I find myself having in it...:biggrin:

I doubt Alan Davis would want to.

Sadly, I think you may well be right.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

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[Leirus]

I loved original Davis Excalibur.

I would have liked that it did not end at the time it did. But that was then, and now is now.

I would be interested in what would do Davis with the characters now, not in what had he thought like... what? ten, fiveteen years ago? I mean, it is ok to read about frustrate plans and what ifs in articles and threads, but I do not see the point in making that kind of minis...

It would be cool to have a forge-like-machine to cross to alternate universes, where I could borrow alternate comics to my alternate self, like an Excalibur series still written by Davis...

(Hmm, or maybe I would just try to hook up with myself, just out of curiosity)

[Disco Jess Minge]

Unlike some creators, Alan Davis is still somewhat relevant and doesn't needs to make Marvel kowtow to his ego.

Although his artwork and sense of layouts is getting a bit dated, he can still draw some beautiful comics. I'd like for him to team up with a good writer who can write something crisp for him to draw. Excalibur Forever would be a step back for him.

Claremont shouldn't even get X-Men Forever due to his inability to adapt with the modern times. :rolleyes:

[MartinRedmond]

I'd rather see Rob Liefeld's X-Feet: Forever Tiny

Already done:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/756446.X_Force_Cable_Volume_1_The_Legend_Returns_T PB

[MartinRedmond]

I loved his Excalibur wrap up, even if it was a bit too neat. His X-Men run was pretty mediocre, but I did like some some of the character interactions. The Rogue/Kurt/Kitty issue was fun.

Didn't he bring back Mikhail Rasputin from the dead for the 2nd time? And Jean's still dead!!!!

[Beadle]

I loved Excalibur, but I have to say - with a new Excalibur spin-off title like that they would have no reason to ever end the cross-time caper. It would be still be happening now, I swear to God.

[doctortherift]

Excalibur can't even sustain itself currently, much less an irrelevant vanity spin-off.

And this comes from someone who loves the original Excalibur and Alan Davis. I'd rather have more Clan Destine or anything else.

[Anna]

Yes, if we keep Wisdom and Dazzler out.

[Mystique25]

That is not even a question, if they were to release this I would buy it the day it came out with endless copies to give to my friends.

[david r]

Cerise was never meant to be a Shi'ar, for example. That was a Lobdell retcon. Davis had a whole other origin to be revealed about her.


Would you happen to know what Cerise's origin would have been? By Alan Davis?

[ComiXFanBoy]

no. i would love to see him draw mi13 though. no one draws a better cap than him.

also wouldnt mind seeing x-force forever. ive always been curious were liefeld was going to take x-force

[Jack Flash]

So we have a "What if....Chris Claremont had never left the X-Men" book coming out, called X-Men Forever. I'm still wandering around in a joyful daze from the news. :tongue: But my question is this: WHO IS INTERESTED IN AN "EXCALIBUR FOREVER" BOOK? Bringing writer/artist Alan Davis to the characters he is so known for, and picking up with #68, right where he left off? What say you?? :smile:

i say nope.

[DungeonmasterJim]

Would you happen to know what Cerise's origin would have been? By Alan Davis?


It might be buried on his forum somewhere. There's an 'Ask Alan" thread that might have it.

Unfortunately, I haven't seen Alan Davis post there for some time. However, I'm hoping that's all due to his working on a couple of annuals.


And I would buy a Davis produced Excalibur Forever book.


DM Jim

[Babylon23]

I would buy any series that features Davis and Farmer drawing Captain Britain, Meggan, Kitty and Nightcrawler. Having said that, I don't think this should be released. Captain Britain and MI:13 is doing a really great job of handling Marvel's British characters so I don't think this book is necessary.

[Bingo!]

Yes, if we keep Wisdom and Dazzler out.
Wisdom is always welcome. Dazzler only visited. She did not count.
Would you happen to know what Cerise's origin would have been? By Alan Davis?

Here's Davis answering, barely, that he did not intend Cerise to be Shi'ar.
http://www.alandavis-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=300&hilit=Cerise+origin

I think Cerise put it best when greeting each of the member of Excalibur: "I am Cerise, Warrior of the Ghrand Jhar. Genestock of Subruki, Zarstok and Kuli Ka. Mine is the power to generate malleable energy fields of coherent light-force that obey my will." If I were Shi'ar, I'd mention that first.

[TJKernan]

Yeah, get off of CC's butt. The idea is interesting and I for one am excited to see if it works.

That being said I'd like to see how the experiment works before letting every big namer head back to their gravy runs and burning the idea out before we see how it works...

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

Alan Davis and Mark Farmer? Now you're talking, david r.

I know a lot of people disliked Excalibur, but it was fresh and funny when compared to the other xbooks. I'd absolutely go bonkers seeing Davis pick up his work from Excalibur 67. All Davis' quirky British characters always brought a smile to my face.

Yea I am with Bingo bring Alan Davis back to write Excaliber!

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

Just seeing Courtney still be evil Sat-yr-9 and where that would have gone along with Jamie not having ended up on Muir for no reason when he was last seen being taken away with Sat-yr-9's army would be great. More disco Tangerine? Yes, please. The Rachel Micromax romance Davis talked about is another thing I'd have liked to have seen. And Kitty dating PsiLord to Rachel's chagrin? I'd have been rivited to the page hoping for Frank and Ray to get back together.

Excalibur would also be staying in Braddock Manor, and Cerise wouldn't have been retconned into a Shi'ar traitor. Brian and Meggan would have gotten married much sooner, we'd have seen what would happen to Kylun, Widget, and Feron too.

I dont like what they did to Cerise either! Bring Alan Davis back to write Excaliber!

[That JonoGuy]

I never really got the early Claremont/Davis Excalibur. So, I'll have to go with no.

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

He had plans for Kurt's origins, but those got scuttled and replaced eventually with Lobdell's Unlimited story iirc. It was originally supposed to happen in Excalibur #59-60 iirc, but we got that last second, largely terrible, Black Panther arc instead. :/





I'd love seeing Davis work on something X-related again (or even a CB&MI13 fill in), but no more elseworlds what ifs plz. I was nice seeing the classic Excalibur in Clandestine (classic Rachel especially) but that was about the limit imo.


You have any idea what origin he intended for Kurt?

[david r]

Thank you all for the Cerise answers. :smile: And especially that link. I will have to spend some time on Alan Davis' site.

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

I'm in two minds. Yes there were plenty more places he could have gone with the book, and the loose character threads he had, but I doubt it would sell anywhere near enough to sustain itself. I mean just look at what happened with Clan Destine. I thought that was a dead cert for a longer run. I was clearly wrong.

It really would be a bit of a dream book for me. But at the same point, I'm not sure that Davis version of those characters quite lives up to modern comics. Captain Britain & MI13 and Warren Ellis 90s Excalibur are what more people seem to want to read right now. And so they should, there both bloody good. Davis run is an absolute classic. But it is very 80s into 90s. I loved that it made use of and acknowledged the rest of the early 90s Marvel UK characters, and if it involved more of those (Motormouth, Killpower, Dark Angel Death's Head) I might feel differently. But as JUST Excalibur I'm not sure it would work so well.



That's really not the case. I mean Davis had his own origin for Nightcrawler, had Rachel very much as the ONLY Phoenix, and had several ongoing plots for characters which were never finished. Cerise was never meant to be a Shi'ar, for example. That was a Lobdell retcon. Davis had a whole other origin to be revealed about her.

Micromax had finally joined up with Excalibur and Davis had plans of properly integrating him with the team. Lobdell axed him.

Likewise Feron. Lobdell axed him.

Davis had sent Kylun off on a personal mission to find out what had become of his parents. The Vixen had taken them. But since Sat-yr-9 had eliminated the Vixen (And moulded Nigel into her form as a stand in) it was uncertain what had happened to them. This plot was never completed.

You see, the more I talk about it, the more interest I find myself having in it...:biggrin:



Sadly, I think you may well be right.


What happened? Why did Davis get taken off?

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

Wisdom is always welcome. Dazzler only visited. She did not count.


Here's Davis answering, barely, that he did not intend Cerise to be Shi'ar.
http://www.alandavis-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=300&hilit=Cerise+origin

I think Cerise put it best when greeting each of the member of Excalibur: "I am Cerise, Warrior of the Ghrand Jhar. Genestock of Subruki, Zarstok and Kuli Ka. Mine is the power to generate malleable energy fields of coherent light-force that obey my will." If I were Shi'ar, I'd mention that first.


Thats sad cuz I liked Cerise. Hopefully Davis gets to write her again one day, maybe he can retcon the Shiar origin into the one he intended!

[Joe Franklin]

I never really got the early Claremont/Davis Excalibur. So, I'll have to go with no.

You mean you never bought and read it? Or you never understood it?:confused:

[That JonoGuy]

You mean you never bought and read it? Or you never understood it?:confused:

I own and have read them. I just never understood what all the fuss was about.

[Joe Franklin]

I own and have read them. I just never understood what all the fuss was about.

I only bought them for the Alan Davis art, and that was enough to get me excited over it.

[FieryCajunforPolaris]

I a jus wondering what the great Alan Davis is up too and currently doing right now?