Legacy becomes ???

[North-Star]

I thought Mike Carey was going to speak about the 'new direction' of Legacy on NYCC this weekend, or maybe I misread that.

Does anyone have any idea where Legacy is going? Is it confirmed that it won't be a team of rogue X-men fighting baddies all over the planet?

Is Xavier going to rebuild his school?

what the deal??

and, who knows???


I'm sorry if someone started a thread like this one already, can someone redirect me to that one if that's the case. thanks!

[Washout]

All we know is that it won't be a team book because "that is the past."

I'm also pretty sure Quesada said something about how all the characters will be as old as they should be.

[Prodigy55]

It will be an Aurora solo series <3.
It won't be exactly a team book.
But it will have multiple characters.

[Leirus]

It will be an Aurora solo series <3.
It won't be exactly a team book.
But it will have multiple characters.

Do not play with North-star expectations...

[Blade X]

Based on the most recent sales figures, I think that X-MEN LEGACY day's are numbered.

[marco19]

no official announcement on what legacy is morphing into to. Mike Carey said that there would be a two issue story after the rogue arc issues 225, 226 as still part of the legacy title before the book changes its name so it will probbaly be another month or two before we find out what direction the book is going to continue as

http://mikecarey.net/?p=624

[Josef F.]

Based on the most recent sales figures, I think that X-MEN LEGACY day's are numbered.

LOL. They are not going to cancel X-Men.
Stop being ridiculous.

[Washout]

Based on the most recent sales figures, I think that X-MEN LEGACY day's are numbered.

Why? The sales did slip a little for 219, but it's still in the top fifty and the #2 X-title. I imagine the sales will pick up with the Rogue arc.

[Leirus]

Based on the most recent sales figures, I think that X-MEN LEGACY day's are numbered.

Nah, never... I think there is a lot of Fans ready to jump on main X-men title...The problem is, Xavier is not that attractive... but when it shifts again, readers will come back...

[North-Star]

Do not play with North-star expectations...

LOL

Northstar and Aurora aren't even my favorite characters....

I agree with what you're saying about readers coming back to this title if the focus will shift to another character. And not have Xavier be the headlining act.

Oy, how I wish for a team book...
(and yeah, Northstar and Aurora could join Rogue, Iceman and Gambit on this one:wink: )

[Flâneur]

Based on the most recent sales figures, I think that X-MEN LEGACY day's are numbered.

Not the topic.

Besides, you think every comic's days are numbered.

[Prodigy55]

Call me old-fashioned, but I want it to return to a regular old team book starring characters not in Uncanny or Astonishing X-Men.

[Washout]

Call me old-fashioned, but I want it to return to a regular old team book starring characters not in Uncanny or Astonishing X-Men.

I think that's what most people want, except for the Editors and writers.

[Omega Alpha]

Call me old-fashioned, but I want it to return to a regular old team book starring characters not in Uncanny or Astonishing X-Men.

Old fashioned!

[XaviersMisprint]

I want it to be a team book with a huge amount of obscure characters. Rogue should be THE LEAD. Like, it should basically be a Rogue solo series but with a couple of other characters as supporting cast and a few subplots, but it should be Rogue's definitive book that puts her back as the A-List she used to be.

She can have Mercury, she can have Iceman, even Cannonball, Gambit, Northstar, Aurora, Rockslide, Anole, Hellion, Prodigy, Elixir, Surge, etc... but it should be a Rogue team book, now and forever.

Just as Astonishing should be about Cyclops and Wolverine, Uncanny about Nightcrawler and Storm, X Force about X-23 and Elixir, New Mutants about Cannonball and Mirage.

Every book needs a specific focus. X-Men has always been about Cyclops and Storm, their life stories. "Legacy" or whatever should be the book that chronicles Rogue from her life to death.

[jarrod]

Rogue and Kurt roadtrip! PLZ?!

[Joe Franklin]

Rogue and Kurt roadtrip! PLZ?!

As long as boring Xavier does not tag along, this would be fine.

[jarrod]

As long as boring Xavier does not tag along, this would be fine.
I think Mystique should kill Xavier and then impersonate baldie to spy on the kids. Make sure they stay outta trouble, like a good mom.

[Washout]

I think a Darkholme family book would be amazing. Throw in guest appearances by Nocturne and Trevor Chase, and I would be every copy in the store.

[ExodusCloak]

Xavier + Danger + Space pirates + Space Book...bwahaha....War of the Kings resolution

[Sugarbombz]

I'd want a Mystique solo book but I do not like how Mike Carey writes her.

[$5 Milkshake]

Rogue and Kurt roadtrip! PLZ?!

That would be great.

I want some freaking Nightcrawler news, there needs to be a light at the end of the "Poop on Nightcrawler" tunnel.

[Blade X]

Nah, never... I think there is a lot of Fans ready to jump on main X-men title...The problem is, Xavier is not that attractive... but when it shifts again, readers will come back...

yeah, turning the book into another Xavier book was a very bad idea. You would think that they would have gotten the message that an ongoing X-book that mainly focuses on Xavier DOES NOT sale after the failure of EXCALIBUR volume 2.

[jade_nova]

The X-Men series is changing it's name again? How many times has this happend?

[greenshoes713]

The X-Men series is changing it's name again? How many times has this happend?

Um... twice?

[jarrod]

Um... twice?
This will be the 4th time actually.

X-Men -> New X-Men

New X-Men -> X-Men

X-Men -> X-Men Legacy

X-Men Legacy -> ????

[lockerogue]

This will be the 4th time actually.

X-Men -> New X-Men

New X-Men -> X-Men

X-Men -> X-Men Legacy

X-Men Legacy -> ????

X-Men Roadtrip

9 characters gather together to go on the best roadtrip of their lives.

[Prodigy55]

I hope it features Northstar or Cannonball.
I will be happy with either.
But ecstatic with both.

[Seikun21]

I hope it features Northstar or Cannonball.
I will be happy with either.
But ecstatic with both.

Cannonball is in New Mutants. I don't think we can expect him in this book.

[jarrod]

X-Men Roadtrip with a cast 9 characters.
I'd love it if most of the characters I'd want in there weren't already being used elsewhere (Sam, Bobby, Dani, Rachel, etc). I'd settle for a roadtrip with just Rogue and Kurt at this point, maybe Husk can show up too... or maybe those three with a bunch of students (Mercury, Anole, Rockslide, Blindfold, Dust, Loa, etc) hit the road and say fuck San Fran...

[Prodigy55]

Cannonball is in New Mutants. I don't think we can expect him in this book.

You are right lol! I forgot, I'm a terrible fan.
I just have such happy memories of Rogues squad.
Maybe they can re-form and have Northstar fill up Sam's spot.

[Sugarbombz]

X-Men Roadtrip

9 characters gather together to go on the best roadtrip of their lives.

Since Uncanny is shuffling in so many characters, I would prefer to see a smaller cast ideally not a solo (despite me wanting to see a Mystique solo lol)

[Seikun21]

Maybe they can re-form and have Northstar fill up Sam's spot.

As Iceman's boyfriend? Sammy is busy with the other Bobby now anyways.

[$5 Milkshake]

*giggle* Fill up Sam's spot.

[North-Star]

*giggle* Fill up Sam's spot.

Dude, hahaha

[marvell2100]

X-Men Legacy should become X-Men: Survivor or X-Men: Lost.

[creaky]

That would be great.

I want some freaking Nightcrawler news, there needs to be a light at the end of the "Poop on Nightcrawler" tunnel.

That light is an oncoming train helmed by Pixie.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

That would be great.

I want some freaking Nightcrawler news, there needs to be a light at the end of the "Poop on Nightcrawler" tunnel.

I didn't realise he was into that. Kurt has many sides.

[creaky]

I didn't realise he was into that. Kurt has many sides.

Let's keep Kurt's sex life between him and Logan.

Edit: Did I just say that? :(

[XaviersMisprint]

Rogue, Iceman, Darkstar, Jubilee, Warpath, Cannonball, Northstar, Aurora, Gambit!

[$5 Milkshake]

I didn't realise he was into that. Kurt has many sides.

Kurt hates it, but he's a submissive and can't say no.

[lockerogue]

The people who have their roadtrip permission slips signed and are confirmed as to going are. This is not real news just something I wish would happen. Professor X is automatically included because well someone has to the head head overseer.
Rogue
Northstar
Aurora
Iceman
Nightcrawler
Indra
Match
Trance
Blindfold
Dust

[Prodigy55]

As long as Northstar and Aurora are included in the book, I will be pleased.
They're the best siblings.
Because they give each other hi-fives.

[creaky]

Kurt hates it, but he's a submissive and can't say no.

It's one of those "freedom through restraint" things. Kurt wants it, but is too morally conscious to actively say yes to such endeavors. Which is why he was made for Logan, who rarely feels like asking. A match made in heaven. Someone needs to send Joe Quesada fan art so he can get a clue.

[streator]

the book will have to find some relevancy. another team book based in san francisco doesn't seem necessary. nor does a strike-force approach a la what it was before messiah complex (as we have x-force now).

whatever happens i'd like to find out soon. i hope it isn't cancelled but at the same time the book definitely needs something to get it going again.

[jarrod]

Schism. The best way to give Legacy some relevance is to play X-Treme and have it run counter to the San Fran X-Commune. Xavier, Rogue, Kurt, Northstar and some kids.... almost writes itself.

[AcesX1X]

Schism. The best way to give Legacy some relevance is to play X-Treme and have it run counter to the San Fran X-Commune. Xavier, Rogue, Kurt, Northstar and some kids.... almost writes itself.

jarrod, get out of this thread and go to the x-men forever thread for new developments.

[rwsmith]

Mike Carey's X-men Part II: Xavier, Rogue, Iceman, Gambit, Aurora, Northstar, Cable and Hope Summers. :)

[Imraith Nimphais]

Schism. The best way to give Legacy some relevance is to play X-Treme and have it run counter to the San Fran X-Commune. Xavier, Rogue, Kurt, Northstar and some kids.... almost writes itself.

As I was reading through the posts this is exactly wot I thought...a "back to basics" X-men book...Xavier: head teach. Rogue: Leader. Kurt: co-leader, Northstar, Aurora and the kids from YXM...there are more than enough members so that you still have a rotating cast (as per the no-core-team *frakked-up* policy) but just enough so that everyone gets quality panel time and character developement...this, or something similar is the only way I'm ever picking up this title.

[North-Star]

As I was reading through the posts this is exactly wot I thought...a "back to basics" X-men book...Xavier: head teach. Rogue: Leader. Kurt: co-leader, Northstar, Aurora and the kids from YXM...there are more than enough members so that you still have a rotating cast (as per the no-core-team *frakked-up* policy) but just enough so that everyone gets quality panel time and character developement...this, or something similar is the only way I'm ever picking up this title.



Helllllooooooooooo this is so what I want....
But no rotating cast shizzl. Couldn't we just have regulars and recurring players like on TV?...


Xavier
Nightcrawler
Rogue
Gambit
Iceman
Northstar
Aurora
Karima



Pretty interesting team...

I think I'm shipping for Kurt and Karima already!!!

[Waterlily]

I don't really care what they change the name to as long as I can still find it.

I think a Darkholme family book would be amazing. Throw in guest appearances by Nocturne and Trevor Chase, and I would be every copy in the store.

I'm not the only one who remembers Trevor Chase!

Let's bring Kurt's sex life out in the open, please

Edit: Did I just say that? :(

Yes, you did just say that.

[fitditz]

Helllllooooooooooo this is so what I want....
But no rotating cast shizzl. Couldn't we just have regulars and recurring players like on TV?...


Xavier
Nightcrawler
Rogue
Gambit
Iceman
Northstar
Aurora
Karima



Pretty interesting team...

I think I'm shipping for Kurt and Karima already!!!

Get rid of Xavier and I'm sold!

[creaky]

Yes, you did just say that.

For a second there, I was getting worried. Thank you!

[Shaid O Gray]

So no one knows anything about what Legacy will become? Wasn't Mike on the panel at that Con in NY? Didn't he say anything?? Argh!

Not exactly creating a lot of 'buzz' this way, Marvel. What, too busy with talking about Marvel Ultimate becoming Marvel's Ultimate Comics? ('The same! Except with more dead characters!!') Big whoop...:mad:

[Push You Down]

It does make the most sense to make it a Counter-Cyclops/San Fran comic.

The mutant status quo needs the flipside. I say this as a fan of Cyclops and his leadership, but there needs to be something for the outsiders.

[claimtosubclaim]

I'm not sure why we keep making speculation teams, as the one thing we do know is that it will not be a team book.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

I'm not sure why we keep making speculation teams, as the one thing we do know is that it will not be a team book.

We've got to have hope, even if its false hope.

[Red Lotus]

They should just change the name to Gambit. There wouldn't be anything better then Carey writing a Gambit solo.

[claimtosubclaim]

No dice. He's already working on a Gambit mini. Legacy is going to become Rogue & friends.

[Joe Franklin]

Get rid of Xavier and I'm sold!

Same here.:cool:

[Omega Alpha]

It does make the most sense to make it a Counter-Cyclops/San Fran comic.

The mutant status quo needs the flipside. I say this as a fan of Cyclops and his leadership, but there needs to be something for the outsiders.

And what exactly this "flipside" would do? So far, I haven't seen anyone suggest anything other than the "but..but...but...Scott is mean and he sucks!" type of argument. And even if there was, I don't see why Xavier would have the credibility to offer it or someone like Rogue (which I love, but is certainly not a leader or someone with her own vision to mutantkind) to create a new one or enforce it. Right now, the X-men are protecting mutantkind, trying to repower it and at the same time becoming more integrated with and accepted by humans (even if only in San Francisco). What would this other team could possibly do that is much different, and better at the same time?

I would much prefer if Legacy was cancelled, and Carey moved to Uncanny with Fraction and the book shipped two or three times a month. I think it would give Carey a focus (and the chance to write the top characters) and he would also tone down some of Fraction's writing on the title, that has been too heavy handed at some moments.

[Matt K]

If we could get X-Men: Road Trip with Iceman, Rogue and Nightcrawler I'd buy the book sight unseen.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

If we could get X-Men: Road Trip with Iceman, Rogue and Nightcrawler I'd buy the book sight unseen.

Throw in Colossus and we're good.

[Joe Franklin]

Throw in Colossus and we're good.

And Sabretooth.

[Sugarbombz]

If its Carey, I really hope its a villain book. He did a great job with Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth. While he did improve upon Rogue a great deal, she didn't come out a significantly standout character imo. As a personal sidenote, I hope Gambit and Iceman are not in it as I really do not like those characters the latter especially Carey's version.

It would be cool to see the villains taking some of the former students as pupils. It would be the two casts Carey does best.

[mbm721]

i was lucky to meet mike carey at nycc this past weekend, what a nice guy he is in real life. He was at the vertigo booth thing that was in the DC block, and no one was talking to him, i went right up to him and talked for a few minutes and he seemed happy that i was enjoying his x-men run. we talked about covers( i mentioned i love the iceman/mystique kiss 190 cover, he said that was one of his faves), his favorite characters to write (iceman, rogue, beast and cyclops), and the new direction for legacy. sadly he couldn't tell me much of the new direction except that the focus won't be on xavier and it won't be a team book, but he said if we have been liking his x-men run we would probably like what comes after the xavier arc. what an awesome guy, he truly loves writing in the x universe.
side note, joe kelly and steve seagle rocked too, and said they had hugeee plans for the x-men before the left and said they would be willing to return to the x-verse if the time and opportunity were right.

[jarrod]

I'm not sure why we keep making speculation teams, as the one thing we do know is that it will not be a team book.
Not a team in the classic sense, but it's going to be an ensemble book from the hints. It's NOT going to be single character centric (like Xaiver's Legacy) anyway...


If its Carey, I really hope its a villain book. He did a great job with Lady Mastermind and Sabretooth. While he did improve upon Rogue a great deal, she didn't come out a significantly standout character imo. As a personal sidenote, I hope Gambit and Iceman are not in it as I really do not like those characters the latter especially Carey's version.

It would be cool to see the villains taking some of the former students as pupils. It would be the two casts Carey does best.
ZOMMFG! A Carey penned "Sisterhood book" would probably make all of CBR cream in unison.

[jarrod]

side note, joe kelly and steve seagle rocked too, and said they had hugeee plans for the x-men before the left and said they would be willing to return to the x-verse if the time and opportunity were right.
OMFUCKFUCKFCUK!

*heart attack*

[mbm721]

OMFUCKFUCKFCUK!

*heart attack*

well don't hold your breath, i think they were saying that the loved the x-men and would return but more than likely not any time soon...we can hope, how good would a carey, seagle, kelly, yost and kyle, fraction x-verse be?

[jarrod]

well don't hold your breath, i think they were saying that the loved the x-men and would return but more than likely not any time soon...we can hope, how good would a carey, seagle, kelly, yost and kyle, fraction x-verse be?
I'm still reeling from the possibility!

Did you get any insight into their unused X-plans?

[greenshoes713]

well don't hold your breath, i think they were saying that the loved the x-men and would return but more than likely not any time soon...we can hope, how good would a carey, seagle, kelly, yost and kyle, fraction x-verse be?

Get rid or lessen Fraction's role and you're gold

[jarrod]

Get rid or lessen Fraction's role and you're gold
Fraction would be demoted to an Emma Frost ongoing. Marjorie, Cornell and PAD also need to be in the mix.

[greenshoes713]

Fraction would be demoted to an Emma Frost ongoing. Marjorie, Cornell and PAD also need to be in the mix.

That is exactly what I was thinking!

He writes Emma like its nobody's business

[mbm721]

I'm still reeling from the possibility!

Did you get any insight into their unused X-plans?

well their tables were right next to each other in artist alley so i was talking to both of them at the same time. seagle signed uncanny 354 i think (with rogue zapping wolverine, gloves off) and kelly signed x-men 70, they were both amazed that they came out about 10 years ago.
they seemed bummed that they had so much planned that they didnt get a chance to tell ,but i didnt feel like prying because a) a lot of their plans are somewhere on the board and b) other people were starting to come to them. kelly sounds really excited for his upcoming spidey stories, and both were happy about their new creator owned stuff coming out

[Imraith Nimphais]

And what exactly this "flipside" would do? So far, I haven't seen anyone suggest anything other than the "but..but...but...Scott is mean and he sucks!" type of argument. And even if there was, I don't see why Xavier would have the credibility to offer it or someone like Rogue (which I love, but is certainly not a leader or someone with her own vision to mutantkind) to create a new one or enforce it. Right now, the X-men are protecting mutantkind, trying to repower it and at the same time becoming more integrated with and accepted by humans (even if only in San Francisco). What would this other team could possibly do that is much different, and better at the same time?


You said it..."only in SF"...how can there be proper integration if you only focus on a single area/city/county...Xavier has always been about nation/world wide acceptance and peace between mutants and humans. And his MO is, for the most part, different from Scott's. Let him re-build the mansion in Westchester. Let him be the vanguard for change and acceptance on the east coast...as Scott is on the West. Let it be more training/educational centred (as it was with the New Mutants)....After all this fractured mind/moral failure nonsense is over and done with, let him go back to "basics" doing wot he knows best...mentoring the younger generation of mutants...Scott is (so far) going after villains who are a pain in the (remaining) mutants' arse...Xavier and his group should concentrate on being "protectors" to the humans and mutants alike, much like the Avengers were, once upon a time.

[Agent_Torpor]

i was lucky to meet mike carey at nycc this past weekend, what a nice guy he is in real life. He was at the vertigo booth thing that was in the DC block, and no one was talking to him, i went right up to him and talked for a few minutes and he seemed happy that i was enjoying his x-men run. we talked about covers( i mentioned i love the iceman/mystique kiss 190 cover, he said that was one of his faves), his favorite characters to write (iceman, rogue, beast and cyclops), and the new direction for legacy. sadly he couldn't tell me much of the new direction except that the focus won't be on xavier and it won't be a team book, but he said if we have been liking his x-men run we would probably like what comes after the xavier arc. what an awesome guy, he truly loves writing in the x universe.
side note, joe kelly and steve seagle rocked too, and said they had hugeee plans for the x-men before the left and said they would be willing to return to the x-verse if the time and opportunity were right.

Mike Carey is the thinking man's x-writer. And he looks dashing in his traditional english wool peacoat.

[Agent_Torpor]

ZOMMFG! A Carey penned "Sisterhood book" would probably make all of CBR cream in unison.

I just soiled trou at the mere mention.

[Omega Alpha]

You said it..."only in SF"...how can there be proper integration if you only focus on a single area/city/county...Xavier has always been about nation/world wide acceptance and peace between mutants and humans. And his MO is, for the most part, different from Scott's. Let him re-build the mansion in Westchester. Let him be the vanguard for change and acceptance on the east coast...as Scott is on the West. Let it be more training/educational centred (as it was with the New Mutants)....After all this fractured mind/moral failure nonsense is over and done with, let him go back to "basics" doing wot he knows best...mentoring the younger generation of mutants...Scott is (so far) going after villains who are a pain in the (remaining) mutants' arse...Xavier and his group should concentrate on being "protectors" to the humans and mutants alike, much like the Avengers were, once upon a time.


They are only integrated with San Francisco so far. It's not like they are saying "screw the rest of the planet".

And the X-men ARE protecting mutantkind (which is exactly why they are going against the likes of the Purifiers, duh) and mentoring the students. No need to have someone else doing it.

And, fortunately, Carey is smart and already said the book won't become a team book under Xavier. It would make everything that happened in the last 5years with the character irrelevant. Even Xavier himself said more than once that he has became irrelevant and it was time for him to move on.

Like I said, a much better idea would be cancel Legacy, and move Carey to work with Fraction in Uncanny, which could go twice or three times a month.

[Hi-Fi]

The book will probably change the focus to Rogue. Believe.

[Red Lotus]

You said it..."only in SF"...how can there be proper integration if you only focus on a single area/city/county...Xavier has always been about nation/world wide acceptance and peace between mutants and humans. And his MO is, for the most part, different from Scott's. Let him re-build the mansion in Westchester. Let him be the vanguard for change and acceptance on the east coast...as Scott is on the West. Let it be more training/educational centred (as it was with the New Mutants)....After all this fractured mind/moral failure nonsense is over and done with, let him go back to "basics" doing wot he knows best...mentoring the younger generation of mutants...Scott is (so far) going after villains who are a pain in the (remaining) mutants' arse...Xavier and his group should concentrate on being "protectors" to the humans and mutants alike, much like the Avengers were, once upon a time.


What younger generation of mutants. Right now there really isn't one. There isn't enough mutants around for Xavier to go back to his basics.

[Imraith Nimphais]

I was referring to the mutants of the soon to be defunct yxm...

[darknessatnoon]

The book will probably change the focus to Rogue. Believe.

It's changing into a Hellfire Club book. If Rogue is willing to take Emma's sloppy seconds as the New White Queen, she may appear.

[rojash]

My bet is on a Rogue-focus post Legacy. At least that is what I'm hoping for.

If it's written by Carey, it'll be a good read, since his current work hasn't let me down yet.

[marvell2100]

You said it..."only in SF"...how can there be proper integration if you only focus on a single area/city/county...Xavier has always been about nation/world wide acceptance and peace between mutants and humans. And his MO is, for the most part, different from Scott's. Let him re-build the mansion in Westchester. Let him be the vanguard for change and acceptance on the east coast...as Scott is on the West. Let it be more training/educational centred (as it was with the New Mutants)....After all this fractured mind/moral failure nonsense is over and done with, let him go back to "basics" doing wot he knows best...mentoring the younger generation of mutants...Scott is (so far) going after villains who are a pain in the (remaining) mutants' arse...Xavier and his group should concentrate on being "protectors" to the humans and mutants alike, much like the Avengers were, once upon a time.

Yeah the whole SF only concept is only going to get so much mileage. I know the mutant population is pretty thin right now but mutants were spread all over the globe and not everyone hated them. That was one of the things that made the X-Men special. They had an international flavor to them. I'll be glad to see them go back to that. And you're right, there still are young mutants out there as well as mutants who lost there powers that could still use some training.

[timbox]

We have spoken as one voice and Carey has heard us well.

Claudine must return.

[Omega Alpha]

We have spoken as one voice and Carey has heard us well.

Claudine must DIE AN HORRIBLE DEATH AND NEVER, EVER COME BACK

Fixed for ya. :tongue:

[timbox]

Fixed for ya. :tongue:

You are obviously not best friends with Mike Carey.

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Carey's post-Legacy book will be an exploration of the life and psyche of Sage.

Fraction practically said as much when he claimed that Sage's story would not be continued in Uncanny. Fraction gets Psylocke and Carey gets Tessa. This seems like a fair deal.

[DeniseXfrost]

Emma frost.

[Wind Rider]

My thoughts on Legacy is that since it won't be a team book, then its going to continue to be a book to focus on a certain X-character with a few other team members who would be relevant to the that particular X-character's story. First was Xavier, then it will be Rogue (with some Gambit), and it will go one from there, like an ongoing mini-style rotation. That's probably what was meant by "rotating cast".

On one hand, this isn't so bad, since this will give us a chance to see some of the other X-members getting some character development, closure, and/or questions answered since there's no time for that in the other X-books. On the other hand, its not going to be a team book in the sense that we are used to.

I'd prefer the team book, but if this is what it takes to flesh out some of the other characters that aren't getting enough panel time and story focus, then this is probably the next best thing outside of doing a bunch of solo/mini books at the same time. For now, I like Rogue and Gambit, so I don't have a problem with this concept, but if the focus turns to another character that I don't like as much, my interest won't be there.

[marvell2100]

My thoughts on Legacy is that since it won't be a team book, then its going to continue to be a book to focus on a certain X-character with a few other team members who would be relevant to the that particular X-character's story. First was Xavier, then it will be Rogue (with some Gambit), and it will go one from there, like an ongoing mini-style rotation. That's probably what was meant by "rotating cast".

On one hand, this isn't so bad, since this will give us a chance to see some of the other X-members getting some character development, closure, and/or questions answered since there's no time for that in the other X-books. On the other hand, its not going to be a team book in the sense that we are used to.

I'd prefer the team book, but if this is what it takes to flesh out some of the other characters that aren't getting enough panel time and story focus, then this is probably the next best thing outside of doing a bunch of solo/mini books at the same time. For now, I like Rogue and Gambit, so I don't have a problem with this concept, but if the focus turns to another character that I don't like as much, my interest won't be there.

I agree windrider(hey there btw :smile: ). There are too many mutants out there for Legacy to focus on just one or two mutants. Legacy should become the book to gather in the mutants that want to get back to Xaviers original dream. I don't want a book that is just another extension of Scott's team. Look at how the Avengers franchise has branded their teams. Each has it's own unique feel and vision. That's why people are drawn to the other x-titles like X-Factor and CBMI13. These books have their own flavor and Legacy needs to establish itself as something other than UXM.

[The M.E.]

I agree windrider(hey there btw :smile: ). There are too many mutants out there for Legacy to focus on just one or two mutants. Legacy should become the book to gather in the mutants that want to get back to Xaviers original dream. I don't want a book that is just another extension of Scott's team. Look at how the Avengers franchise has branded their teams. Each has it's own unique feel and vision. That's why people are drawn to the other x-titles like X-Factor and CBMI13. These books have their own flavor and Legacy needs to establish itself as something other than UXM.

For some reason, I'll think they'll stray from the whole "focus on one character" schtick. I don't think it worked as well as they thought it might (I love Careybut hate Prof X, and its only barely been entertaining for me). For some reason, I think either Rogue or Prof X will determine their own course of action for mutants, and recruit different mutants for different objectives. So like G.I.Joe with special units put together for each mission. It may even be like what Uncanny was advertised as (rotating cast where anyone can show,not astonishing x-men plus cameos)

[Omega Alpha]

I agree windrider(hey there btw :smile: ). There are too many mutants out there for Legacy to focus on just one or two mutants. Legacy should become the book to gather in the mutants that want to get back to Xaviers original dream. I don't want a book that is just another extension of Scott's team. Look at how the Avengers franchise has branded their teams. Each has it's own unique feel and vision. That's why people are drawn to the other x-titles like X-Factor and CBMI13. These books have their own flavor and Legacy needs to establish itself as something other than UXM.

But the X-men aren't Avengers, and as for now, there is no reason for them to be divided. With mutantkind almost over, they have to do exactly the opposite, stay more united than ever. And even if there was, with all the crap Xavier has done, he's the less indicated to offer an alternative.

That's why I think Legacy should simply be cancelled. Move Carey to Uncanny with Fraction and make that book come out two or three times a month, give Mike a chance of writing the characters he loves (and is good at), have Rogue back in the X-men and kill Xavier for good. Everyone wins.

[ExodusCloak]

It should become an Acolytes book.

[marvell2100]

But the X-men aren't Avengers, and as for now, there is no reason for them to be divided. With mutantkind almost over, they have to do exactly the opposite, stay more united than ever. And even if there was, with all the crap Xavier has done, he's the less indicated to offer an alternative.

That's why I think Legacy should simply be cancelled. Move Carey to Uncanny with Fraction and make that book come out two or three times a month, give Mike a chance of writing the characters he loves (and is good at), have Rogue back in the X-men and kill Xavier for good. Everyone wins.

Of course the X-Men aren't the Avengers and that's why the Avengers are selling so well right now. Each book has a very distinct feel. There are plenty of reasons for the X-men to be divided. Remember Divided We Fall? That's why Jamies team didn't just jump up to follow Scott to SF. That's why the New Mutants are getting back together in their own title. Legacy doesn't need to be cancelled and there is no reason to put out UXM three times a month. Legacy can be the vehicle for other mutants. Mutants that want to forge their own path.

[greenshoes713]

They're not going to cancel X-Men.


:rolleyes:

[Omega Alpha]

[B]Of course the X-Men aren't the Avengers and that's why the Avengers are selling so well right now. Each book has a very distinct feel.

If that was the reason why it was selling well, then theorically New Avengers wouldn't sell that well when it was a stand alone title, wouldn't it? They are selling due to a combination of more promotion + more relevance to the MU (the X-men suffered a decrease in both) + Wolverine and Spidey on NA (the only title selling more than AXM, not counting the newly founded DA) + good writing (in that case, understand as "writing that most the fans enjoy" if you don't like Bendis) with fine art.

Anyway, one of the points of MC, and one of the reasons why it was so great, was exactly because after so many years, the X-men were together again as one, and unified they were a force to be reckoned with, which is essential at this stage of mutantkind. With 198 mutants in the world, the point of all X-men teams will be about survival, they will have to try to repower mutants, will have to kill much more often than before, even because Osborn is in charge now and they won't be able to just turn every criminal to jail anymore.

That said, when they finally drop this Decimation non-sense and return mutantkind to reasonable numbers, I'd be fine with the X-men separated, or united with different teams for each purpose and different leadership, etc.

[Naira K]

It's changing into a Hellfire Club book. If Rogue is willing to take Emma's sloppy seconds as the New White Queen, she may appear.

I secretly dream about it. :rolleyes:

[Wind Rider]

I agree windrider(hey there btw :smile: ). There are too many mutants out there for Legacy to focus on just one or two mutants. Legacy should become the book to gather in the mutants that want to get back to Xaviers original dream. I don't want a book that is just another extension of Scott's team. Look at how the Avengers franchise has branded their teams. Each has it's own unique feel and vision. That's why people are drawn to the other x-titles like X-Factor and CBMI13. These books have their own flavor and Legacy needs to establish itself as something other than UXM.
Hey there marvell :smile:

I hear what you're saying on Legacy, but here's what I'm thinking. There's currently 198 mutants left in the world, the government is still on the brink of concentration camps, and you got Purifiers and whatever other radical mutant hating groups running around. Right now is the time for the X-teams to stick together and focus on 1) surviving and 2) reversing the "No More Mutants" mess as opposed to trying to gain equal rights with humans.

I thought about this later on while running errands, and maybe Legacy should stick around focusing on not only X-Men characters, but even some villians... since again, we have no idea of where some of them are either. Then once the "No More Mutants" mess is reversed and the mutant population gets sizable enough to where it makes sense to get demanding mutant rights and equality, then there can a group focused on Xavier's dream again.

I don't want to see Legacy canceled, though, because it will be needed eventually when the name changes yet again to something else to mark another redirection/revamp... :biggrin:

[Omega Alpha]

Hey there marvell :smile:

I hear what you're saying on Legacy, but here's what I'm thinking. There's currently 198 mutants left in the world, the government is still on the brink of concentration camps, and you got Purifiers and whatever other radical mutant hating groups running around. Right now is the time for the X-teams to stick together and focus on 1) surviving and 2) reversing the "No More Mutants" mess as opposed to trying to gain equal rights with humans.

I thought about this later on while running errands, and maybe Legacy should stick around focusing on not only X-Men characters, but even some villians... since again, we have no idea of where some of them are either. Then once the "No More Mutants" mess is reversed and the mutant population gets sizable enough to where it makes sense to get demanding mutant rights and equality, then there can a group focused on Xavier's dream again.

Exactly my point.


I don't want to see Legacy canceled, though, because it will be needed eventually when the name changes yet again to something else to mark another redirection/revamp... :biggrin:

The book can be simply relaunched later. Right now, there is really no need for it, and sales are falling.

[rojash]

The book can be simply relaunched later. Right now, there is really no need for it, and sales are falling.

I'd prefer it if they didn't cancel my favourite X-book.

I don't think Marvel is really going to cancel a book with 50K+ sales every month. It's simply way to profitable for them to axe it. If it were sub-25K, then maybe I could see them doing it, but it's still selling decently.

I personally think that Astonishing X-Men is completely unnecessary, but with the way it sells, it's going to be around a looooooong time.

[MuhollandDriver]

Mike Carey and Matt Fraction on a title together........not exactly chocolate and peanut butter! Perhaps Mike Carey could help with this supposed "rotating cast" allstar concept that isn't quite there yet.

i suppose we will have to wait and see what Legacy turns into. Then, we will know if it is worth having or not.

While i do appreciate the handywork, thought, and detail that went into X-Men:Legacy....it really didn't pull me in. i consider it significantly above Young X-Men and Uncanny (yes, our flagship), but not on level with X-Force and X-Factor. I suppose it hovers in between with Astonishing.....tho i have ample more respect for this title than Astonishing.

[RickyD410]

The X-Men do need to stick together at this time. They need to finish setting up their new base in San Fran, and establish themselves as a group of heroes there. They need to protect what's left of mutants and start helping those mutants who need help.

But that doesnt mean we can't have a separate book with separate casts. There are so many X-Men right now. Clearly, for the time being, we're stuck with the Astonishing team + random background people in Uncanny for now, but why couldnt we have X-Men with Rogue, Iceman, and other unused X-Characters, also based out of San Fransisco? This could be a specific team with a specific objective.

I really do like the idea of a rotating cast, but its not exactly being used properly, ya know? Its just the same cast in every book, and every now and then we'll see Karma in the background.

[Omega Alpha]

I'd prefer it if they didn't cancel my favourite X-book.

I don't think Marvel is really going to cancel a book with 50K+ sales every month. It's simply way to profitable for them to axe it. If it were sub-25K, then maybe I could see them doing it, but it's still selling decently.

I personally think that Astonishing X-Men is completely unnecessary, but with the way it sells, it's going to be around a looooooong time.

Uncanny sells more (now, way more) than Legacy. So, by cancelling the latter to have more UXM, Marvel would increase it's sales.

[rojash]

That assumption would only work if they decided to publish Uncanny X-Men more than once a month.

Marvel can do that now without (much) problem, and they haven't pulled the trigger, so I don't think that will be very likely.

[Omega Alpha]

That assumption would only work if they decided to publish Uncanny X-Men more than once a month.

Well, that was exacty my idea. Cancel Legacy, move Carey to Uncanny, make it go two or three times a month.