The Mutants Students Are Now Completely Irrelevant

[Seres]

With the ending of Young X-Men soon, to be replaced by New Mutants, what will happen to the students? Many of the characters only ever appeared in the 'student' book, and with a few exceptions (Pixie in Uncanny, Elixir in X-Force), it appears that they will be confined to background scenery from now on.

What do you think is going to come out of this situation? In this new Manifest Destiny era for the X-Men, what are the students here for? What will they do?


1: They WIll Be Scenery.
If you have a crowd scene, you'll see Surge adjusting her gauntlets or Anole doing whatever it is he does. They will cameo frequently, but without any lines. They will be background scenery for the discerning reader to spot.

2: They Will Be Cannon Fodder.
This is best exampled by the forthcoming death of Hellion in X-Force. The characters will be killed off systematically over the next few months.

3: They Will Become Motivation for Real Characters.
Much like Trance in that Wolverine one-shot, the characters will appear when they are needed to make one of the main X-Men characters feel emotional. They will get in danger and thus force Colossus to confront his deepest fears, or they will say something to Magma and make her question her motivations. They will serve to drive plots.

4: They Will Get Another Book
This would push the X-Franchise into overdrive and mean there are about eight different books out there concerning them, but at least then we'll all get to know about Match and Indra, right?

5: Other Theory
This theory is one which I have not thought up, and has been invented by your own brain. Come forth and write down the ideas your brain tells you, lest you forget them forever.

[Seres]

Also, I mixed up my vowels in the title. Cronin, will you aid me?

[MuhollandDriver]

i voted for something else.

i am confident in the writer and artist. i hear wonderful things about both of them.

i feel, if done correctly, the New Mutants can be the Teen Titans of Marvel: a comic that mixes superheroism and young adult life. Like the Titans....they aren't a youth comic....but more a coming-of-age comic....a team that is above the youth groups and novices....yet still transitioning into the big leagues.

[Swashbuckler]

I voted what I want to happen. I want the New X-Men/Young X-Men to get slaughtered. This way, they will have an impact on the more important charactes who make up the actual X-Men. I mean, if the X-Men fail to keep this generation alive they'll be more upset. I think Hellion is going to die, at least I hope he does. And I'd love to see Rockslide, Indra, Trance and others bite the dust.

[darknessatnoon]

They had their time. They failed. CC is back. The New Mutants are back.

Newish heresies are about to be washed away once and for all.

Classic comics are back!

[Omega Alpha]

They'll probably have a new book eventually, and I'd be fine with it, if they are able to find a balance: less soap operaish and more action than the first 20 issues, but also not making the X-men look like idiots in almost every story. Maybe have members of the senior team go with them on missions.

[darknessatnoon]

And I'd love to see Rockslide, Indra, Trance and others bite the dust.

Dust is a respectable Muslim woman. She doesn't go for kinkiness.

[Seikun21]

Also, I mixed up my vowels in the title. Cronin, will you aid me?

I thought you could fix thread titles on your own without a moderator's help. Then again I rarely ever make threads so I'm not sure.

[MuhollandDriver]

Ack....i misinterpreted!

i thought this was about the New Mutants.

i see The New Mutants as being the Teen Titans of Marvel...sorry everyone.

The students.....i think there are some great characters in New X-Men....many i honestly didn't care for. People often lump me in with the New X-Men fanboy crowd..but i honestly only loved two arcs and a small number of characters. The dynamic Kyle and Yost set up from Quest for Magik on was pretty great..i liked the background/supporting characters for the function they fulfilled.

Now? Well....a new comic immediately is going to be filled with baggage. Despite anyone's opinion on this team....they have been mismanaged.

If anything is to happen...i'd recomend a mini-series...followed by something similiar to "Young Avengers Presents".

Another ongoing, at this point, is real dangerous....and almost a joke..even among fans.

i know what it feels like. Think about being an original Magik fan. Over a decade later, i am reading her again.

Anole, Rockslide, and Dust i feel confident about futurewise. If i were a Hellion or Surge fan...i'd be more worried.

[lockerogue]

Now that I'm thinking about it. I would want Dust to go to whatever Legacy is turning into.

[Bingo!]

Most of the students that are left are fairly compelling.

Anole, Rockslide, Blindfold, and Dust will all appear soon. They are loved by plenty and will be picked up again. Graymaklin, Ink and Cipher will have to pray for an interested writer. Even if Cipher isn't written in any of the books, she'll still be around. Just re-read each of your issues. She'll be there.

[Novaya Havoc]

I despise the student characters.

Marvel keeps re-launching this stupid line, much to my chagrin. And it's perpetually cancelled. NEW MUTANTS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, GRETCHEN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN!

[Swashbuckler]

Perhaps all the Young X-Men can join Pixie and be Dazzler's back-up dancers. God knows Dazz needs all the help she can get for her new show. I can see Rockslide in his booty shorts now.

[Novaya Havoc]

Perhaps all the Young X-Men can join Pixie and be Dazzler's back-up dancers. God knows Dazz needs all the help she can get for her new show. I can see Rockslide in his booty shorts now.

Lois London (PBUH) killed your precious Feral. Build a bridge and get over it, Adam.

[drwho]

i see all the new x-men hopping on a bus and not making it home

[MuhollandDriver]

Most of the students that are left are fairly compelling.

Anole, Rockslide, Blindfold, and Dust will all appear soon. They are loved by plenty and will be picked up again. Graymaklin, Ink and Cipher will have to pray for an interested writer. Even if Cipher isn't written in any of the books, she'll still be around. Just re-read each of your issues. She'll be there.

Huh hah! Cipher can never be completely written out :)

[Swashbuckler]

Lois London (PBUH) killed your precious Feral. Build a bridge and get over it, Adam.

Feral is not precious at all. Get a clue. And unless Lois London is Sabretooth, that's not how it went down. No one cares about Lois. Her name now appears as blank text to me.

[Novaya Havoc]

Feral is not precious at all. Get a clue. And unless Lois London is Sabretooth, that's not how it went down. No one cares about Lois. Her name now appears as blank text to me.

You acknowledged her, and said her name twice.

Lois London is like Candyman at Cabrini-Green.

"It was always about you, Adam."

[Swashbuckler]

You acknowledged her, and said her name twice.

Lois London is like Candyman at Cabrini-Green.

"It was always about you, Adam."

Don't derail this thread. It's about the Young/New X-Men babies. Perhaps Dazzlers sister should have joined their team. She could have prepared them for DECADES of limbo with all of her experience.

[darknessatnoon]

Most of the students that are left are fairly compelling.

Anole, Rockslide, Blindfold, and Dust will all appear soon. They are loved by plenty and will be picked up again. Graymaklin, Ink and Cipher will have to pray for an interested writer. Even if Cipher isn't written in any of the books, she'll still be around. Just re-read each of your issues. She'll be there.

Cypher's story is not over. She's on the run from someone nameless. The usual suspect? - The Shadow King.

[shadowki]

Every student that has been invented after the 2000's MUST DIE!!!*












*so we can appreciate, even though highly useless and annoying, their true value.

[Novaya Havoc]

Don't derail this thread. It's about the Young/New X-Men babies. Perhaps Dazzlers sister should have joined their team. She could have prepared them for DECADES of limbo with all of her experience.

Pssshhh! I drink Gaterade while you drink Haterade.

Much like I live in the magical city of Chicago (nee, ObamaLand) whereas you live in the Armpit of the Nation (nee, the "Crossroads of America").

It's not my fault Feral is a sad Wolfsbane/Daken/Wolverine/X-23/other random clone whereas Lois London is a precious, unique rose in a bed of terrible thorns.

Project yo frustrations elsewhere.

[Seres]

Bear in mind when voting that Craig Kyle and Chris Yost have both been known to haunt these very boards. Given their thirst for murder they will likely take it as a sign if the overwhelming winner of this poll is "kill them all". The resulting slaughter would be merciless.

[podmark]

Obviously an ongoing is out of the question for the time being. Young X-Men was a mess of New Warriors v4 proportions. In truth there probably can never be an ongoing again until it's been 20 years later like New Mutants.

So it's off to limbo, guest appearances, and the odd member here and there. And like New Mutants and GenX before them they'll find their way into roster spots with the X-Men.

Or Yost and Kyle will kill them all in X-Force :tongue: Are people really convinced Hellion is going to die?? Is that why Choi is drawing Anole and co in Messiah War prologue, they're all at his funeral?

Wow did Marvel really screw over a popular series. I hope you know what you did X-Office!

[Mitteloss]

Some will appear in other titles, some will eventually die, most will just fade into limbo.

The characters that are currently in limbo and fading into obscurity (Hellion, Mercury, Surge, Prodigy, Anole... and maybe also Rockslide and Dust) will probably be in the same position as the Generation X currently characters are in five years time.

[MuhollandDriver]

*laughs* That is practically every member except Pixie.

My outlook is a bit more optimistic.

Many will likely fade into limbo....i do think that some of them have a decent shot.

[MuhollandDriver]

The thing is......i am not sure this group.....heck even Generation X....will get an ongoing reunion.

The New Mutants are pretty much considered the classic youth lineup for many, writers included.

For all You fans of Generation X and New X-Men....i hope i am wrong!

[XaviersMisprint]

I think the New X-Men buzz was biggest right around the time Young X-Men started. Everyone was hoping for their favorite characters to appear and for the title to end because they love their New X-Men.

In my eyes, I still think they have a chance. Pixie and Armor are on the main teams, X-23 and Elixir are on X-Force, and it looks like Gentle is joining the X-Men after Worlds Apart.

Maybe the NXM will be joining X-Men Legacy after it changes its title. I am almost positive they will, actually. In a question to the X-editors (I think) about what X-Men Legacy was turning into, they said "Don't worry, they'll all look their age" or something along those lines. Was that a hint? I hope so. It could be about Rogue or Professor X leading the new generation of X-Men.


The NXM don't have to fade away into limbo. They only will if their fans give up and let Guggenheim ruin the franchise. Don't just say "limbo is good for them now, I hate them now, they're ruined" etc because that is stupid.

Hopeless fans let Liefeld and Simonson ruin NM.
They let whoever came in late on GenX ruin that series, and not Guggenheim ruin NXM?

No, no no no no. Not at all.

[Swashbuckler]

The thing is......i am not sure this group.....heck even Generation X....will get an ongoing reunion.

The New Mutants are pretty much considered the classic youth lineup for many, writers included.

For all You fans of Generation X and New X-Men....i hope i am wrong!

There is a huge difference between Generation X and New X-Men in my opinion. Generation X didn't mingle with the X-Men on a daily basis. They were trained by White Queen and Banshee, that's all. The problem with having the New X-Men live int eh X-Mansion while the main team operated there was that it was like having 50 Jubilee's constatnly pestering the new team. It works with one or two kids, but that's it.

While the New Mutants were also at the mansion, they didn't interact as much witht eh main squad and a little ways throught their run the X-Men moved out of the mansion.

[podmark]

Maybe the NXM will be joining X-Men Legacy after it changes its title. I am almost positive they will, actually. In a question to the X-editors (I think) about what X-Men Legacy was turning into, they said "Don't worry, they'll all look their age" or something along those lines. Was that a hint? I hope so. It could be about Rogue or Professor X leading the new generation of X-Men.


Legacy is my only hope for the immediate future for the kids. I'd love to see them there.
Weren't we supposed to get a Legacy announcement this weekend?

[Stephen Moreno]

I despise the student characters.

Marvel keeps re-launching this stupid line, much to my chagrin. And it's perpetually cancelled. NEW MUTANTS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, GRETCHEN. STOP TRYING TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN!

I like you.

I agree, I'm tired of reading about the develop of the new youngsters, in the long run they just don't matter because the A-Listers aren't going anywhere.

[Josef F.]

For Every NXM thread, there should be at least 4 Gen-X threads.

[Roo]

Legacy is my only hope for the immediate future for the kids. I'd love to see them there.
Weren't we supposed to get a Legacy announcement this weekend?

Agreed... what better way to ensure the survival of these new characters than to have them in an established title? At least that way, more people will give them a chance to keep their runs going etc, rather than launching yet another series that noone will buy

once C&C got into their run, I really enjoyed a lot of the characters after strongly disliking them to start with (part of that i blame on defillipis and weir as their run was just to sweet and twee and nice for my liking) as they worked well together... now they've all been split asunder, and some of them don't work that well without the rest (pixie in uncanny, rockslide & anole in YXM)... I can certainly see some of them becoming 'high-profile', but more in the way that Monet has done rather than Sam has

[Mitteloss]

*laughs* That is practically every member except Pixie.

My outlook is a bit more optimistic.

Many will likely fade into limbo....i do think that some of them have a decent shot.

And Elixir, X-23 and Armour...

At the current rate, yes, things are looking pretty bad for the rest of them. And by that I don't mean they're all going to fade into limbo.

And which of the rest do you realistically think have a decent shot?

[Prodigy55]

Wind Dancer is getting a solo series.
That is all.

[alf_to_the_rescue]

For Every NXM thread, there should be at least 4 Gen-X threads.

This should have been the ratio from the start.

[sixhoursoflucy]

2: They Will Be Cannon Fodder.
This is best exampled by the forthcoming death of Hellion in X-Force. The characters will be killed off systematically over the next few months.As much as I dislike pointless deaths for shock value (i.e. the Hellions), I'd prefer to have these characters dead and buried so I didn't have to keep hearing New X-Men fans whine about how Loa, Indra, and Match are such great, underused characters.

[Hakael]

This is a thread of NXM hate and negativity, two things I dislike. I still hold out hope that the kids will get their own book back. Young X-Men wasn't a true follow up, and NXM was canceled/replaced because of story necessity and that the creative team was moving on, not due to waning sales or interest. There's still opportunity there, provided Marvel gets it right.

And Hellion ain't dead yet. Haters.

[marvell2100]

New Mutants
X-Force(original)
New X-Men: AX
Young X-Men
Young Avengers
New Warriors

If you want a book about young heroes to stick around, keep NEW and YOUNG out of the title(X-Force being the x-ception but it still bit the dust). Those two words are the kiss of death. Now if there were a team of young mutants called DARK X-MEN, then you'd have a winner.

Seriously tho', neither Marvel nor DC can keep a title with young heroes(how many Legion and Titan reboots have there been). Even the new New Mutants title will have characters with over 20 years of history. I don't think that these kids will make it anywhere else. They'll be in limbo, pop up every now and then and some will be killed by some new villain to show that they mean business.

[bionicbroccoli]

Ack....i misinterpreted!

i thought this was about the New Mutants.

i see The New Mutants as being the Teen Titans of Marvel...sorry everyone.

The students.....i think there are some great characters in New X-Men....many i honestly didn't care for. People often lump me in with the New X-Men fanboy crowd..but i honestly only loved two arcs and a small number of characters. The dynamic Kyle and Yost set up from Quest for Magik on was pretty great..i liked the background/supporting characters for the function they fulfilled.

Now? Well....a new comic immediately is going to be filled with baggage. Despite anyone's opinion on this team....they have been mismanaged.

If anything is to happen...i'd recomend a mini-series...followed by something similiar to "Young Avengers Presents".

Another ongoing, at this point, is real dangerous....and almost a joke..even among fans.

i know what it feels like. Think about being an original Magik fan. Over a decade later, i am reading her again.

Anole, Rockslide, and Dust i feel confident about futurewise. If i were a Hellion or Surge fan...i'd be more worried.

I think you are on the right track with a mini similar to YA Presents. This would keep the characters visible and fans happy in the interim. Hopefully what Matt Fraction has been saying about Uncanny being inclusive with no fixed roster will permit some of the students to make regular appearances there... besides Pixie. Not that I don't like Megan or anything, but I would like to see other characters share the spotlight.

[darknessatnoon]

And Hellion ain't dead yet. Haters.

I hear the burial plot next to Cat Pryde is still available. It's also fairly safe from Predator X.

[greenshoes713]

Lois London (PBUH) killed your precious Feral. Build a bridge and get over it, Adam.

Your post are viciously mean stop.

[darknessatnoon]

Your post are viciously mean stop.

Swashbuckler can take anything Novaya dishes out. You, on the other hand, might want to think twice before popping your head out of the ground.

[Sugarbombz]

I would like to see Anole join the X-Men and Cipher join a satellite X-Men team, maybe Rockslide or Dust too.

I enjoy the rest to varying degrees but do not truly care where they end up.

[The Black Guardian]

They'll be in limbo... or killed off... mostly off-panel... and it's going to suck more than anything else ever.

[x_goalkeeper]

I hope that they are seen or having minor role in the x-books at least. Maybe they fit in well with the New Mutants book. :smile:

[Imraith Nimphais]

I would not mind Dust, Rockslide, Anole being part of NM...or even joining the "Legacy" cast...they need some serious adult training and supervision.

[Seikun21]

I hope that they are seen or having minor role in the x-books at least. Maybe they fit in well with the New Mutants book. :smile:

I don't think that's going to happen. From what I've read from Zeb Wells on the project he feels that Dani and Roberto don't really want to be teachers and mentors anymore.

So I highly doubt that there will be a high presence of the New X-men era students in the New Mutants book. One or two may eventually join the team down the road, and maybe a few will make cameos or appear in flashbacks.

[mugiwara]

They will end like Generation X and New Mutants. Well, probably worse, since editors, writers and readers care less and less about new characters.

Some will die (probably Pixie and Armor who dared replacing underexploited:rolleyes: characters like Kurt Wagner or Buffy Pryde), some will end in limbo, some will hopefully be seen in minor short-lived X-books.

And after 20 years, 1 or 2 of them will be X-Men. And stay in the team as liong as Husk did. Or be written out of the book because, well, the writer like them, but there is so much things to tell about underexploited characters like Jerklossus, Rogue or Dazzler.

[x_goalkeeper]

I don't think that's going to happen. From what I've read from Zeb Wells on the project he feels that Dani and Roberto don't really want to be teachers and mentors anymore.


Maybe not as students to them but temporary members? Like Pixie on Uncanny was? I am not sure if I used the correct words to describe :smile:

[SayOcean]

dont lump gen x with the New xmen.....gen x was actually relevant

[mugiwara]

dont lump gen x with the New xmen.....gen x was actually relevant

Only the first 15 and the last 15 issues.

[jawbreaker]

theyre just gonna get the same treatment that Gen X got ...sorry. :frown:

[AdamYJ]

Having students does seem kind of pointless when you no longer have a school. They'll probably just hang around as background characters for the most part. Pixie will probably still be toward the front as the new Kitty Pryde/Jubilee/resident teenage girl viewpoint character.

[HellFrost]

Do we have some more concrete evidence that Hellion will die in X-Force?

If so I think I'm just gonna stop picking it up. As much as I like the book, I don't feel like reading Yost and Kyle kill another one of my favorite New X-Men characters.

Unecessary.

[Hakael]

Do we have some more concrete evidence that Hellion will die in X-Force?

If so I think I'm just gonna stop picking it up. As much as I like the book, I don't feel like reading Yost and Kyle kill another one of my favorite New X-Men characters.

Unecessary.

There is always joking about Kyle and Yost killing people off in their books. Hellion is slated for an appearance in issue 13, so of course they've been saying the same thing they say whenever any character shows up... he might die. Since issue 13 solicits talk about the Leper Queen hitting the X-Men close to home, people are thinking that Hellion is going to be one of her victims. Entirely possible... we still don't know if that's a death sentence or not.