CBR: NYCC: Way and Liu Talk "Dark Wolverine"

[CBR News]

In “Dark Avengers”, Wolverine's son, Daken, took his father's identity, and in June he'll take something else from him as “Wolverine” becomes “Dark Wolverine.” CBR News spoke with writers Daniel Way and Marjorie Liu about the book.


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19880).

[Cayman]

Interesting. I'm excited for more Marjorie Liu Marvel work and I like Giuseppe Camuncoli so I'll have to give this a try.

[$5 Milkshake]

I think I'll check it out, I like when new characters actually receive some push.

[Hi-Fi]

Marjorie Liu rocks my world. I'm really glad she has an ongoing project now.

[artiepants]

i really don't want to be overly cynical, but this seems like an Unnecessary Character spinning out of an Unnecessary Book... I like the basic idea of him impersonating Logan in Dark Avengers, but running around the rest of the MU on his own? not very interesting IMHO.

[Dr. Chaos]

*stares at Daken's hair*

Good god...I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

[jarrod]

lol. It's like they made this book for Waterlily.


*sigh* Wherever Marjorie goes, I must follow...

[Agent_Torpor]

i really don't want to be overly cynical, but this seems like an Unnecessary Character spinning out of an Unnecessary Book... I like the basic idea of him impersonating Logan in Dark Avengers, but running around the rest of the MU on his own? not very interesting IMHO.

Yeah, that was my first impression. Sounded (and still does) like a steaming hunk o'****, regardless of scripter or art. I mean, I don't doubt Liu or Camuncoli's credentials, but they're being forced to use turd as clay and we're supposed to buy earthenware pottery that reeks of cowpatty?

I dunno, I guess folks are interested.

[ZeoVGM]

Sounds good to me. Way's done good on Deadpool and Origins (since the Deadpool arc).

[Waterlily]

lol. It's like they made this book for Waterlily.


*sigh* Wherever Marjorie goes, I must follow...

I know, I'm so happy. So very, very happy. Marvel loves me.

[artiepants]

Yeah, that was my first impression. Sounded (and still does) like a steaming hunk o'****, regardless of scripter or art. I mean, I don't doubt Liu or Camuncoli's credentials, but they're being forced to use turd as clay and we're supposed to buy earthenware pottery that reeks of cowpatty?

I dunno, I guess folks are interested.

regardless of this, i am still ridiculously excited about Jason Aaron's Wolvie book (which i guess becomes the de-facto "main" Wolverine title)

[jarrod]

I know, I'm so happy. So very, very happy. Marvel loves me.
lol. When I saw the creative team and setup, I immediately thought of you. <3 <3


That said... I'll a little ashamed to admit I'm kinda excited about the book. Original Sin was fun...

[timbox]

I would love to see Marjorie Liu write Miss Sinister. This team and Mike Carey must still be going through fierce discussions to decide who gets to use Claudine.

[Trississ]

I love Liu and I'm okay with Way, but DAKEN?!?!?!?!?!!? There are so many other characters out there that are far more worthy and far more interesting and just as relevant as this bozo. Why him?

[Stephen Moreno]

So Wolverine's ongoing ends at #75 and Dark Wolverine, Daken's book, starts then? Interesting.

[Waterlily]

lol. When I saw the creative team and setup, I immediately thought of you. <3 <3

<3 <3 <3 I'm getting a subscription <3 <3 <3

That said... I'll a little ashamed to admit I'm kinda excited about the book. Original Sin was fun...

It was! I really hope Claudine shows up sometime in the book.

And it really sounds like Marjorie Liu is having fun with this book, her comments concerning Daken are hope-inspiring. If anyone can make him work, it's her.

I think I'm going to start stalking her now.

[Michael P]

Someone is going to have to sit me down and explain to me the virtue of a Dark Wolverine.

[timbox]

Someone is going to have to sit me down and explain to me the virtue of a Dark Wolverine.

How about I bend you over my knee and spank you instead?

[greenshoes713]

How about I bend you over my knee and spank you instead?

:eek: That's hot!

XD

[Michael P]

Inanity will get you nowhere.

Seriously, somebody elucidate the point of having a "dark" version of an antisocial former black ops agent with intermittent berzerker rages.

[Agent_Torpor]

How about I bend you over my knee and spank you instead?

Is there a sign-up sheet somewhere?

[Waterlily]

Is there a sign-up sheet somewhere?

I don't think you can sign up for something like that. You must earn it.

[$5 Milkshake]

Inanity will get you nowhere.

Seriously, somebody elucidate the point of having a "dark" version of an antisocial former black ops agent with intermittent berzerker rages.

Daken has taken on the identity of Wolverine in the DARK Avengers. So what would YOU call a series featuring Daken?? Wolverine Jr?

[timbox]

I wouldn't be surprised if each member of Dark Avengers gets a shot at solo glory. Although, Daken and Moonstone are the most interesting of the bunch.

[Seres]

How about I bend you over my knee and spank you instead?

Yes, this is exactly the most upsetting thing you could have said.

[$5 Milkshake]

I wouldn't be surprised if each member of Dark Avengers gets a shot at solo glory. Although, Daken and Moonstone are the most interesting of the bunch.

Ares > everyone else. Though, I think I like all of them except Sentry.

[Uncle Nobs]

Interesting. I'm excited for more Marjorie Liu Marvel work and I like Giuseppe Camuncoli so I'll have to give this a try.

Marjorie Liu rocks my world. I'm really glad she has an ongoing project now.

Can a good creative team really make up for Dark Wolverine?

Gaytarded.

[Cayman]

Awww, it's just a name. Sounds better as a title than Daken.

[Michael P]

Daken has taken on the identity of Wolverine in the DARK Avengers. So what would YOU call a series featuring Daken?? Wolverine Jr?

I'm not questioning the title, I'm questioning the entire concept.

[Petes Pants]

Will Daken's BISEXUALITY be explored in this title?

If the answer is no, I will buy a copy of each issue and just give it dirty looks.

[Uncle Nobs]

Awww, it's just a name. Sounds better as a title than Daken.
Is Daken pronounced the same as D'Ken?

How did we get here?

[Jake V]

Is Daken pronounced the same as D'Ken?

How did we get here?

I always thought it was like the band, Dokken.

[$5 Milkshake]

I'm not questioning the title, I'm questioning the entire concept.

Oh. Well, Daken is Wolverine's petulant son. It's not a high concept, but it's a fun one. And him stealing his daddy's identity could lead to some good times.

[$5 Milkshake]

Is Daken pronounced the same as D'Ken?

How did we get here?

I always sounded it out as Day-Ken.

[Omega Alpha]

I wouldn't be surprised if each member of Dark Avengers gets a shot at solo glory. Although, Daken and Moonstone are the most interesting of the bunch.

Ares > Marvel Boy > Bullseye> Moonstone > Gargan >>>>>>> Sentry>>> Daken.

Yes, Sentry is superior to Daken. Really.

[$5 Milkshake]

Yes, Sentry is superior to Daken. Really.

What a terrible thing to say.

[Michael P]

Oh. Well, Daken is Wolverine's petulant son. It's not a high concept, but it's a fun one. And him stealing his daddy's identity could lead to some good times.

I've been misunderstood again. I'm not questioning what the concept is, I'm questioning its right to exist.

[americocaine]

So weak. Wow, Daken. Another nutjob. Just what people want to read about.

"And it drives him crazy."

Tell me Way, Quesada, et. al. How do you freaks dream this stuff up? Vicodin?

[Jota]

I KNEW IT!!! I knew this litle shit was going to replace Wolverine! It was obvious, with the push he was geting.
Man, there was never a book I wanted to tank so much like this one! Here's hoping it gets cancelled in six!

Ares > Marvel Boy > Bullseye> Moonstone > Gargan >>>>>>> Sentry>>> Daken.

Yes, Sentry is superior to Daken. Really.Yes he is. The only positive thing about Daken was that he practically had "will get killed by Romulus in the course of Wolverine: Origins story" in is forehead, so, we could afford to not give a damn about him. Now, he'll get released in the unsuspecting Marvel U and it will suck horribly!

Thye only saving grace about this crap is that Way now has a completly unsympathetic character with no positive features to write, so he might stop trying so hard to turn Wolverine into that.

I've been misunderstood again. I'm not questioning what the concept is, I'm questioning its right to exist.Well, he has Wolverine's claws and healing factor, only no personality or back story. Unfortunately, I could see many writers salivating for that.

[$5 Milkshake]

I've been misunderstood again. I'm not questioning what the concept is, I'm questioning its right to exist.

lol I know what you meant, which is why I gave you the reasons it's been given existence. "Daken is Wolverine's petulant son. It's not a high concept, but it's a fun one. And him stealing his daddy's identity could lead to some good times."

Fun, potentially interesting stories. It IS a comic, after all. Not Shakespeare.

[esc0]

relax people, I'm sure wolverine will be ok being dropped from one book... he still has about 20 more books. Give the kid a chance

[beserkerclaw]

this was actully what i expected when they said that after Miller the title will change i was like what give Daken the book, since im already collecting the book im there plus depending on what they do with him he could get interesting. at least Logan will only really have 2 solo aventures one mission realated vs Romulas and the "Main" in Weapon X focussing on his current life in San Fran i like what is ahead.

[Jota]

relax people, I'm sure wolverine will be ok being dropped from one book... he still has about 20 more books. Give the kid a chanceWolverine loosing one book is not the point (altough, if they had too, they could've just cancelled the abismal Wolverine: Origins instead). The point is that the kid is a horrid character, invented by a terrible writer, who gets a solo book riding in the cottails of Wolverine's success whille much better characters are lost in limbo.

[rajincajun689]

Blah Daken in both Wolverine titles? This can't be good.

[Congo Jack]

You guys think Way's 60 issue run on ORIGINS will be affected because of Daken taking Wolverine's book? Some of the stories might get split into both titles perhaps.

[ChaZ X]

Daken only exists because people liked x-23 when she showed up. With out her they wouldn't have been able to say, "we can have another wolverine to do even more with, without all that effin continuity and conscience crap. Ooh and we can give him more powers and say he's even better and people will love him even more.! muhuhaha."

And then I killed them with my mind, but I was too late. It had already begun.

Eventually there will be a fight between him and X-23, kind of the yin and yang of their "daddy" (yeah I know X is wolvie's clone and theoretically should be more like a sister to him, but tell me he doesn't look at her and treat like his youngin')
And I hope she kills him. Have it be like "Well I am trying not to be so much the killer they were training me to be and go down the right path and all, but you really are an irrideemable flaming douchebag aren't you?" An then she she rips out his throat with her teeth and then cuts his head off...with a foot claw.

"Only room for one Wolvie "clone" Dick-en...I win"

[CMBMOOL]

I can't believe this is happening...

I mean I could understand if it was Yost and Kyle with X-23, but Way, I thinking he belongs in Deadpool, and sometimes Wolverine Origins.

I truly don't see any point in this outside the fact that this is just Marvel's way of getting Way's to expand his "creation" into the rest of the Marvel Universe. :evilangry:

I mean the kid bound to die sometime right ? :frown:

[Waterlily]

Okay, just wanted to make sure this was for real and I didn't stroke out and imagine this. LOL, I think besides myself, there will be 3 other people buying this. I'll have to buy multiple copies...


Also, from http://deadlyrabbit.com/ninpo/fundamental_taijutsu/kyu07:
打: Da: Strike
拳: Ken: Fist

Not sure how accurate this is, but I do recall hearing it was pronounced Dah-ken.

[eggie]

Camuncoli on art? I am totally getting this book!

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

its sad that most people, including myself, only find daken truly interesting when he's donning a slightly altered wolverine design. its just a sign of bad design work. daken was supposed to be big, yet his outward appearance looks so side character or a "concept art" of a side character.

i wanted to make a few fan action scenes with wolverine, but switched the idea over to daken for a few reasons. the main one is that expectations are so high for wolverine and yet for daken its so easy to make him cooler than in the comics.

hopefully they will over time do something more to his image throughout the series, and have reason to tweak with his look too.

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

http://www.newsarama.com/preview_images/marvelnew/apr2009/wolorig035_poster.jpg


muramasa blade?

[Waterlily]

That would be my guess. From solicits it looks like he'll be fighting a few of the X-Men over it. Which is a shame, since I was hoping he was going to do something sneakier to get at it..

Also, remember to let us know when your fan action scenes are done and provide links, please!

[timbox]

They look like they're about to share a passionate kiss.

[just another user]

They look like they're about to share a passionate kiss.

Daken's fist is clenched. That disproves your theory. Fist clenching cannot be conciled with passionate kissing.

[Waterlily]

Daken's fist is clenched. That disproves your theory. Fist clenching cannot be conciled with passionate kissing.

You mean you can't hold on to something, tightly, while kissing someone passionately?

[orkoni1]

I just hope that He doesnt end up getting Adamantium on his bones like Wolverien did. Maybe if his bones were bonded with Wakandan Vibranium or something other than Adamantium. Wolverine has Adamantium bones and claws, X-23 has Adamantium claws. It's been done.

Wakandan Adamantium would allow for his Claws to look aesthetically the same-Balck and porous. Which makes his claws more original aesthetically.

Plus Vibranium would still allow him to match his dad in a fight even X-23.

Also since Vibranium can absorb soud and vibrations his enemies would not hear him coming. But they would have to find a way to explain why he couls till talk and not have the vibrations from his voice absorbed-maybe if his claws are the only thing to get covered with vibranium.

I don't know.

Just something other than Adamantium seriously-Vibranium would be interesting , and his claws could remain black in color.

K I voiced my opinion.

[Waterlily]

I just hope that He doesnt end up getting Adamantium on his bones like Wolverien did. Maybe if his bones were bonded with Wakandan Vibranium or something other than Adamantium. Wolverine has Adamantium bones and claws, X-23 has Adamantium claws. It's been done.

Wakandan Adamantium would allow for his Claws to look aesthetically the same-Balck and porous. Which makes his claws more original aesthetically.

Plus Vibranium would still allow him to match his dad in a fight even X-23.

Also since Vibranium can absorb soud and vibrations his enemies would not hear him coming. But they would have to find a way to explain why he couls till talk and not have the vibrations from his voice absorbed-maybe if his claws are the only thing to get covered with vibranium.

I don't know.

Just something other than Adamantium seriously-Vibranium would be interesting , and his claws could remain black in color.

K I voiced my opinion.

It's not going to be adamantium. I don't know if vibranium is really an obtion (isn't it super rare?), but I have my suspicions as to what his "upgrade" is going to be.

There's black adamantium?

[timbox]

I hope he gets an adamantium forehead so he can head butt the shit out of people. I have mentioned this to Marjorie, she seems receptive.

[orkoni1]

It's not going to be adamantium. I don't know if vibranium is really an obtion (isn't it super rare?), but I have my suspicions as to what his "upgrade" is going to be.

There's black adamantium?

No sorry I made a mistake, There is no Black adamantium.

I meant to write Black Vibranium.

They would have to involve the Black Panther and or Wakanda somehow to do the Vibranium bones and or claws.

I really want his claws to stay the way they look, I like them that way.

And Yeah Im getting over the whole Romulus thing, I'll keep buying the book hoping for a good resolution even if Rom is not revealed.

[Waterlily]

But Romulus has been revealed. Daken is Romulus, he just needs to tidy up some loose ends first.

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

But Romulus has been revealed. Daken is Romulus, he just needs to tidy up some loose ends first.

That is going to be the new Romulus if/when Romulus gets killed. I'm wondering who the original one is. (The shadowed buff guy with the fangs.)

That would be my guess. From solicits it looks like he'll be fighting a few of the X-Men over it. Which is a shame, since I was hoping he was going to do something sneakier to get at it..

Also, remember to let us know when your fan action scenes are done and provide links, please!

Which solicits has that info?

Oh and my minisodes, will take a while to get rolling. I'm still making the mask right now. Did I tell you its not supposed to be about Wolvie, its actually about Daken right.

Daken's fist is clenched. That disproves your theory. Fist clenching cannot be conciled with passionate kissing.

ever had crazy makeup sex with a love-hate relationship girl? no reason you cant have your fists clenched together while holding on to your sword


You mean you can't hold on to something, tightly, while kissing someone passionately?

exactly ^

[Waterlily]

That is going to be the new Romulus if/when Romulus gets killed. I'm wondering who the original one is. (The shadowed buff guy with the fangs.)

I would be more curious about him had he not been shown drooling on himself. I'd provide evidence of this, but all my current Wolverine Origins issues are across the country.

Which solicits has that info?

This one. (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11322) Unless they're totally f***ing with us.

Oh and my minisodes, will take a while to get rolling. I'm still making the mask right now. Did I tell you its not supposed to be about Wolvie, its actually about Daken right.

Yes, you did, and I'm completely okay with that. Will Claudine guest star in it? If not, lie and say she is.

ever had crazy makeup sex with a love-hate relationship girl? no reason you cant have your fists clenched together while holding on to your sword


exactly ^

So you're for the intrepretation that Wolverine and Daken are about to make out as depicted in the Dark Wolverine poster? I mean, I'm all for Daken snogging with guys, but I'm a little iffy about him making out with his dad.

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

I would be more curious about him had he not been shown drooling on himself. I'd provide evidence of this, but all my current Wolverine Origins issues are across the country.

that's cool. what country? curious


This one. (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=11322) Unless they're totally f***ing with us.

Nice I forgot about that description. Looks like you're right. I thought you meant Wolverine was fighting for the sword from them.


Yes, you did, and I'm completely okay with that. Will Claudine guest star in it? If not, lie and say she is.

it will be mostly action with text-over intros over the small preludes in the beginning. we arent going to try to follow the storyline strictly. but if i kiss anyone (dunno how that would fit in with the action) its gunna be a girl, maybe claudine. we probably arent making him bi in this one, prolly wont even discuss his orientation. boring old heteroness


So you're for the intrepretation that Wolverine and Daken are about to make out as depicted in the Dark Wolverine poster? I mean, I'm all for Daken snogging with guys, but I'm a little iffy about him making out with his dad.


haa! no i was adding on to the joke where someone said "looks like theyre about to kiss" and one guy said "nah they are clenching their fists." i keep forgetting they made him gay/bi.

[Waterlily]

that's cool. what country? curious


The crazy one. U.S. of A.

Nice I forgot about that description. Looks like you're right. I thought you meant Wolverine was fighting for the sword from them.

it will be mostly action with text-over intros over the small preludes in the beginning. we arent going to try to follow the storyline strictly. but if i kiss anyone (dunno how that would fit in with the action) its gunna be a girl, maybe claudine. we probably arent making him bi in this one, prolly wont even discuss his orientation. boring old heteroness[/quote]

Since you aren't strictly following the story, if you do choose to include Claudine the only thing that I request is that she chug straight from the wine bottle.

That Daken kissed and then played aspyxiation games with some random guy is a big part of why I got interested in his character. It helped me get past his character design. I'm not alone in this, Pete's Pants, Jack Flash where are you?!

haa! no i was adding on to the joke where someone said "looks like theyre about to kiss" and one guy said "nah they are clenching their fists." i keep forgetting they made him gay/bi.

But that's (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DepravedBisexual) the most memorable thing about him! (I mean, outside of him being Wolverine's son)

[MrPalen]

Okay seriously? Dark Wolverine? It's another knock-off Wolverine "character" whose claws are awesomely somewhat different and is like Wolverine except edgier and cooler and extremer?

Seriously?

[mrpoizun]

Wolverine loosing one book is not the point .

Exactly how does Wolverine "loosen" a book? By taking out the staples with his claws?

[LetsMakeAWolverineFilm]

Okay seriously? Dark Wolverine? It's another knock-off Wolverine "character" whose claws are awesomely somewhat different and is like Wolverine except edgier and cooler and extremer?

Seriously?


Its sad but the only way i found daken cool was any likeness to his daddyo

[Colby]

First of all, hello new, loved this site, and decided to finally register. Hello everyone!

Now, with this new release of Dark Wolverine. I know a lot of people didn't like Wolverine: Origins, I do, what I think hurt that book in the beginning was not the writing, I find Daniel Way to be able to write solid stories, not great, not bad, but entertaining, solid pieces of work. What hurt that book was Steve Dillon's artwork, I felt like it didn't suit the tone of the book. With Daken, I understand what this book is goin to be about. It's like a spin-off of Wolverine: Origins, showing Daken's rise to power as presumably the next Romulus, of which if that happens, he'll obviously become a major player.

I'm all for it.

[Jota]

Exactly how does Wolverine "loosen" a book? By taking out the staples with his claws?Nice! I made a mistake in a word. In a language that's not my first.
How's your portuguese this days?