CBR: NYCC: A New Start For "New Mutants"

[CBR News]

Zeb Wells and Diogenes Neves join to reunite the Marvel Universe's original teenage mutant team, now all grown up and itching for action in this May's new "New Mutants" title.


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=19896).

[darknessatnoon]

Magma v. Illyana

It's not New Mutants without cat fights.

I am glad Empath is not being forgotten.

[Twisted Bliss]

Finally

Confirmation Illyana is back permanently and with her abilites seemingly intact if that art work is anything to go by.

THANK F*DGE

[AcesX1X]

It’s great that I can look at Empath’s capture in recent "Uncanny X-Men" issues and think, “Oh, what would Magma think about that? She’s had a complex relationship with Empath, what’s her take?”

*swoons*

i expect a full examination into this development in their relationship.

oh, god. can you imagine? how awkward....especially when you consider that magma was forced to be selene's slave while manny willingly gave himself to maddie.

[That JonoGuy]

I hope we get to see Warlock make an appearance sooner or later.

[Cayman]

At the risk of invoking the wrath of Etta James...


AT LAST!

[Kissyboots]

I grew up reading these characters starting with issue 16 of the original series. Warlock, Cloak and Dagger, Legion with art by Bill S. These were classic and often overlooked, magical stories. It all ended, for me as a fan, with the fantastic Asgard stories drawn by Art Adams.No other "nextgen" mutant team has ever managed to recreate the awesome-ness of the original New Mutants.

[AcesX1X]

legion too! OMG he's going in my army of worms. i think....i think i actually love him more than empath.

[Agent_Torpor]

Magik looked better with the hooves :mad:

[darknessatnoon]

I grew up reading these characters starting with issue 16 of the original series. Warlock, Cloak and Dagger, Legion with art by Bill S. These were classic and often overlooked, magical stories. It all ended, for me as a fan, with the fantastic Asgard stories drawn by Art Adams.No other "nextgen" mutant team has ever managed to recreate the awesome-ness of the original New Mutants.

I agree. And I think it's awesome that they are keeping the purity of the original team. None of this "mentorship"/substitute teacher crap we've been getting.

[lockerogue]

Karma is at the center of the first arc of the series, and she’s really the emotional heart of it. By the end of it we’ll have a better idea of who she is and why her character is so strong. I’m actually really into her right now, and excited about where we can take her.

I have been waiting for this for a long time.

[Steven F.]

legion too! OMG he's going in my army of worms. i think....i think i actually love him more than empath.

That shocks me!

I have been waiting for this for a long time.

I really think that is my favorite part of the interview.

[Steven F.]

Double Post, sorry

[Zero Hunter]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.

[MasterOdin]

Looks like Cannonball will be the leader of the team.

[yanapryde]

This is such amazing news!

I love love love that Karma gets some focus.
Its so exciting!
Its so great to hear the writer discuss each character. He didn't single anyone out. He addressed them each equally. Thats so fantastic.
And he addressed them as X-MEN ... not the junior league.

They've graduated. They're adults. They are ALL X-MEN!!
I'm freaking out I'm so happy! I can barely contain my excitement and I'm sitting at a hospital reception desk. ha ha ha

[AcesX1X]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.

excuse me?! how, exactly, did that thunderbolt strike you?

[doctortherift]

Magik looked better with the hooves :mad:

If you're into women and hooves, find an animal porn site, this is not the place.

[J...]

Yay it looks like Karma plays a big role which makes me happy. Sounds like this series could be good. I'm definitely going to check it out.

[yanapryde]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.

Come on man. Its not like he can address EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about their pasts in this ONE interview! Chill out! I'm very sure that he's very aware of the teams involvement/experience in X-Force. Its not as if they can just ignore that it happened. Relax.

[FemGeek]

Yay, sounds great. But dissapointed with no Rahne. The art looked impressive too, the image of the armour flaking off Illyana is very nice.

[artiepants]

completely unnecessary ~ these characters should be "X-men" not New Mutants (who, should be "new"), and i seriously hope they aren't going back to the 80s costumes.

[B. Kuwanger]

Name of the book. It's not like they're gonna go around and tell people to call them the New Mutants.

This is easily the best X-news I've heard since the started talking about Messiah Complex. I've dropped all but Cable and now I'm really excited again.

[jarrod]

Isn't Illyana still a teen?

This book needs Lockheed...

[MuhollandDriver]

Well...here we are :)

i am quite happy. i don't know much about the author...but many people are saying he is quite talented...so this sounds great!

The writer seems to get that these characters have to move forward...i hope they do.

The artwork...especially the one that with Warlock and Doug on the cover...man i hope that is the first issue cover. Illyana's hair rocks! Seeing Warlock and Magma drawn creatively is also great.

Bring it on!

Is the panel still going on? i'd love to know what happens to those Young X-Men tots....Anole Dust and Rockslide at least.

[drwho]

karma the first focus of the book. ok they definitely know how to put a person to sleep. i wonder how long it will take the writer to realize there was a reason she was removed from the first series long ago. :wink:

[Stephen Moreno]

I guess I don't have to waste money on X-Infernus now since I know the ending.

[Mr.EZ]

How could they not have Rahne? She was the heart of the team.

[darknessatnoon]

ok they definitely know how to put a person to sleep.

I thought that was something you admired in a character.

[x_goalkeeper]

I am happy for fans of the New Mutants characters, that they get to see their characters in a regular series. I like Cannonball :smile:

But I do not like that they did not become X-Men or part of the teams that are of X-Men. Even characters like Pixie and Armor are having role as X-Men, why not the New Mutants? :confused:

[Twisted Bliss]

Isn't Illyana still a teen?

This book needs Lockheed...

Ooo yes Lockheed and Illyana. Off to rescue Kitty from her Space-Vibrator

[lockerogue]

karma the first focus of the book. ok they definitely know how to put a person to sleep. i wonder how long it will take the writer to realize there was a reason she was removed from the first series long ago. :wink:

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[alf_to_the_rescue]

I am happy for fans of the New Mutants characters, that they get to see their characters in a regular series. I like Cannonball :smile:

But I do not like that they did not become X-Men or part of the teams that are of X-Men. Even characters like Pixie and Armor are having role as X-Men, why not the New Mutants? :confused:

Nostalgia for the 80's

[Agent_Torpor]

If you're into women and hooves, find an animal porn site, this is not the place.

Oh, so NOW the X-forum gets a sense of moral standards? Hatemongerer!

[drwho]

karma's most famous moment is her being a fatso and she wasnt even in character then. Maybe they should do a one shot revealing how karma lost her weight.

[Steven F.]

karma's most famous moment is her being a fatso and she wasnt even in character then. Maybe they should do a one shot revealing how karma lost her weight.

As opposed to the story that was actually published regarding her weight loss? You really should have more info before posting.

[darknessatnoon]

karma's most famous moment is her being a fatso and she wasnt even in character then. Maybe they should do a one shot revealing how karma lost her weight.

drwho,

I am reforming you. So, no. Give Karma a chance.

[Wind Rider]

After a crazy day, I needed to read some good news like this!

I'm already liking Wells. He has a grasp of the characters and isn't ignoring their history. I like the way he's remembering their stories and will be bringing their back stories and past developments into the current times and exploring them even further as a team and a family. That's what's missing from X-Men now... that sense of family, even in the midst of crisis. So, I am really glad to read this. And with Neves, who just kicked azz on the art in Worlds Apart, I am really feeling good about this one not being a disappointment.

Cannonball, Magik, and Moonstar were my favs on that team and I'm so glad that they will all be featured. Finally, I'll get a chance to maybe become a Karma fan too... and maybe they will be the ones to find Kitty!! (I can hope)... I wonder if Dani will get her powers back or at least the Valkyrie powers?... Just a lot of potential with this book. Can't wait!

[blehbeh]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.

It's far too early too tell, of course, but I got the same bad vibe as you did. And it worries me. It doesn't help that all this art we've seen so far are renditions of the characters from almost 25 years ago. DeFillipis and Weir kind of did the same thing with the characters in their New Mutants series, and it was frustrating then as well.

[Cayman]

karma's most famous moment is her being a fatso and she wasnt even in character then. Maybe they should do a one shot revealing how karma lost her weight.

She met a mutant whose power was to create gastric bands.

Alas, he was lost in DeciMation.

[MuhollandDriver]

While i am revved up....i hope the team doesn't fall into a nostalgia trap....his reasoning for them getting back together is actually genuine and sweet....they all know each other like family and worked so well as a team before...so why not again?

It is kind of the current Mighty Avengers of the X-World..a team that mines good qualities from the past to make the present cool. The New Mutants title has that potential.

However....i hope the writer moves them all on...this shouldn't be considered a youth comic. As for the title....well.....in a sense i understand why it can't be called anything else...but battle-weary Sam....mentor Dani...Phalanx warrior Warlock...can they really be called New Mutants? i thought some good titles would be "The Mutants".....or "The New X-Men"......ah well!

[drwho]

maybe they will go on a quest for kitty because we all know the real x-men dont give a flip what happens to her. also dani is no longer a mutant so cyclops would keep her out of the compound.

[yanapryde]

I believe all the 'group images' or merely cover/promotional art to lure in fans of the team they new and loved from way back when.

I highly doubt they'll be sporting the same uniforms, their junior league training uniforms. I mean, in that sample page, Illyana is sporting an outfit totally new. Remeniscent of one of the old X-Factor uniforms where the X-insignia stretches across the entire torso by the look of things.

Those team images could also be images we'll find in the recap issue that comes out in april, bringing readers up to speed on the teams history and current whereabouts. So lets all just relax.

I'm excited to see developments with Magik (big shock right?) It looks like she was covered in armor while falling out her stepping disc and clearly injured (arrows?) and pieces of the armor are peeling/breaking off her. Very exciting!:biggrin:

[x_goalkeeper]

Nostalgia for the 80's

You are probably correct! :smile:

[yanapryde]

While i am revved up....i hope the team doesn't fall into a nostalgia trap....his reasoning for them getting back together is actually genuine and sweet....they all know each other like family and worked so well as a team before...so why not again?

It is kind of the current Mighty Avengers of the X-World..a team that mines good qualities from the past to make the present cool. The New Mutants title has that potential.

However....i hope the writer moves them all on...this shouldn't be considered a youth comic. As for the title....well.....in a sense i understand why it can't be called anything else...but battle-weary Sam....mentor Dani...Phalanx warrior Warlock...can they really be called New Mutants? i thought some good titles would be "The Mutants".....or "The New X-Men"......ah well!

again I think the title is more so a 'tipping of the hat' to fans.
who knows if it will stick. I highly doubt, as someone else eloquently put it, that they'll be addressing themselves as the new mutants. I mean, if they were to use the title, it would likely be in a nostalgic manner to one another rather than announcing their presence in a crisis situation.

[cookepuss]

While i am revved up....i hope the team doesn't fall into a nostalgia trap....
I don't know about the team, but that doesn't actually seem like such a bad thing for the book though. This 80s/90s nostalgia factor seems to be working quite well for X-FORCE.

his reasoning for them getting back together is actually genuine and sweet....they all know each other like family and worked so well as a team before...so why not again?
Same basic thing I said in another thread about the original Teen Titans. Call them what you will. Split them up however you may. They'll always gravitate to one another and fans will always refer to them by their original moniker. The New Mutants may not be "new" anymore, but it is as much their identity as Batman being associated with Robin.
The New Mutants title has that potential.
With Zebb Wells... no doubt. His post OMD Spider-Man run with Bachalo was one of the very few BND highlights. His New Warriors LS.. Classic. His Young Avengers/Runaways Civil War LS... Um.... Let's forget that happened and that maybe he was having a bad week or something. :)

However....i hope the writer moves them all on...this shouldn't be considered a youth comic.
Again, this is really no different than DC's Titans. The junior team is not so junior, but they're not the senior team either. The grew up, but haven't quite grown into the roles they were bred for just yet. They're just as capable of playing with the big boys now, but they're still their own little gang for now.

As for the title....well.....in a sense i understand why it can't be called anything else...but battle-weary Sam....mentor Dani...Phalanx warrior Warlock...can they really be called New Mutants? i thought some good titles would be "The Mutants".....or "The New X-Men"......ah well!
There's a certain power to name recognition. They may not be new anymore, but that title rings true to a whole generation of comic fans.

I think that if this book can put forth as much human drama as action then it'll be a hit. In the original series, the best moments were usually the ones that didn't involve fights or costumes. Anybody remember the teen suicide issue? Great stuff.

[MuhollandDriver]

The teen suicide issue was beautiful.

i do think that they are going Teen Titans route with this.....mix superheroism with the lives of early adults. A superhero team with a bit of Garden State thrown in.

Want to know what made me happiest? How the writer consistently discussed the team as friends and even family. That has been sorely missing for a long time..especially with the whole "army of Cyclops and Emma" concept.

i am not criticizing this direction...it seems to work for some fans...but part of what drew me to the X-World was the sense of friendship and bonds created outside of being superheroes. Scott and Emma might make good tactical leaders, but my heart just doesn't go out to them.

[Michael P]

So, this will basically be Marvel's equivalent of DC's "Titans," in a "getting the old band back together" sort of way.

Although hopefully, it won't be that terrible.

[drwho]

im kind of curious if the others know dani is even depowered. could be interesting if they treat her differently now. I do think though marvel should have kept a few of the new kids around.

[cookepuss]

Titans isn't quite terrible. I just wish they wouldn't draw out some of their stories as much as they do. For example, this current Jericho storyline seems never ending. If New Mutants can keep a snappy pacing it won't fall into that trap. The only big trap it should watch out for is that awful "made for trade" arc structure.

[cookepuss]

im kind of curious if the others know dani is even depowered. could be interesting if they treat her differently now. I do think though marvel should have kept a few of the new kids around.
Meh.... They're good characters, but they'll find their place in the other X-titles. After Kyle & Yost left, nobody has been able to master their character's "voices" as well, especially X-23 & Anole.

As for Dani.... C'mon. Storm ran with the x-crew for years without powers. I don't think that it'll be much different. Plus, Dani was a kick@$$ hunter and fighter well before her powers. She's family. That's enough for them.

[jarrod]

im kind of curious if the others know dani is even depowered. could be interesting if they treat her differently now. I do think though marvel should have kept a few of the new kids around.
Shan, Sam and Bobby already know. They don;t really treat her any different.

[Flinkman]

i don't know how i feel about this to be honest.

unlike most, i have no real nostalgia for the original New Mutants as a team because i've only read the first ten issues of the series & the last one leading into X-Force, (though now that i've completed my Generation X run, New Mutants was always my next X-Book to complete) but Magik & Magma are two of my all-time favorites who've never really amounted to anything after the original book ended (besides Illyana dying & Magma getting random prominence in a video game), so i'm thrilled to have them back in an ongoing title & i will definitely be picking this up.

let's just hope Zeb can keep from torturing the gay character lol.

[Zero Hunter]

Come on man. Its not like he can address EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about their pasts in this ONE interview! Chill out! I'm very sure that he's very aware of the teams involvement/experience in X-Force. Its not as if they can just ignore that it happened. Relax.

I am just going what he said in the interview. I love these cahracters and New Mutants was the first series I ever got on a monthly basis, but I don't want to see some of these characters rich historys overwritten for a cheap nostagla book. I really hope I am wrong and he has done his homework on the characters and the book is great, but the way he talked in this interview has me worried.

[MuhollandDriver]

let's just hope Zeb can keep from torturing the gay character lol.

Yikes. Has this been a pattern for him?

[drwho]

Yikes. Has this been a pattern for him?

no but can anyone remember what karma has every really done. what is karma's brightest moment?

[Joe Franklin]

Here is a question answered by editor Nick Lowe at the X-Men panel.


- Are Warlock and Cypher in New Mutants?

Lowe: Yes.

[yanapryde]

Yikes. Has this been a pattern for him?

Its a matter of perspective.
In his Young Avengers / Runaways cross over..... the MORE POWERFUL (thats how I prefer to look at it) were abducted and some were tortured.
Specifically.... Billy, Teddy, Karolina and Xavin.

Yes, none of them are heterosexual (technically Xavin is a transgender alien) but that isn't the reason they were taken.
They were taken for their alien nature, excluding Billy. He was taken, more as a precaution to avoid leaving 'evidence' or, in this case, a body.

Not because they are gay.
No worries Muholland. :wink:

[Prodigy55]

I don’t know how old you are, but did you have a burning desire to teach in your 20s? If you’re in your 20s, do you feel like you have a lot to offer a 14-year-old? Dani Moonstar is a bad ass. Sunspot is a hothead and a ladies man. Time to stop teaching and time to start doing. What’s that saying, “You can teach when you’re dead” or something like that?

100% win!

Karma is at the center of the first arc of the series, and she’s really the emotional heart of it.

Also major win.

This series will be the sex, <3 Cannonball.

[yanapryde]

100% win!



Also major win.

This series will be the sex, <3 Cannonball.

Oh Prodigy. I do enjoy your posts.
I say "_____ is the sex" all the time! YOU are full of WIN!
Yay for Canada!

Also...Me thinks you should seek a new occupation. Less invasive.
And less violent.:wink:

[Imraith Nimphais]

Did anyone think to ask wot would become of "the young x-men" kids...now that their book is being cancelled?.

[Prodigy55]

Oh Prodigy. I do enjoy your posts.
I say "_____ is the sex" all the time! YOU are full of WIN!
Yay for Canada!

Also...Me thinks you should seek a new occupation. Less invasive.
And less violent.:wink:

Thank you <3!!!

An analrapist (one word) is a psychoanalyst and a therapist put together.
It's a respectable practice.
LOL!

It's from the TV show Arrested Development.

[MuhollandDriver]

Here is a question answered by editor Nick Lowe at the X-Men panel.


- Are Warlock and Cypher in New Mutants?

Lowe: Yes.


i am utterly happy. i'm gonna manifest a phoenix raptor and burn like a million twinklies.

Excuse me for getting a bit heartfelt....but i left comics once the first run of X-Force started and the Blue/Gold team came about....i realized that the comics were changing into reads that weren't for me. i missed Illyana, Warlock..all my favorites. A part of me grieved them a bit.....odd as it sounds. i'd check in every few years.....Illyana dies....Psylocke becomes convoluted beyond anything...the number of X-Titles seem to reach double digits...the plots completely convoluted...i couldn't even keep up beyond an issue. i do think i would have liked Morrison's run...i'm glad i read it recently.

i still read Sandman..Hellboy..but didn't touch a Marvel book for many many years.

Then....a bit over a decade later...i pick up a house of M collection....get a bit intriqued again....pick up New X-Men Quest for Magik arc..which officially pulls me in....and just at the right time :)

For all You New X-Men fans..or fans of characters in limbo....Illyana was my favorite character...as was Warlock, Doug, and others. Over ten years later...here they are again :) Keep the hope up!

[AdamYJ]

This book looks like it could be fun. Here's hopin'. :biggrin:

[lockerogue]

I'm still hoping that Dust will join the team. She would work well the New Mutants.

[Leirus]

Dani Moonstar is a bad ass

I. Love. this. guy.

[beserkerclaw]

i think this is great maybe now they will get more focuss then in Uncanny plus if Warlock does return to earth ill love it he was cool in Anilliation but needs to be with the New Mutants and Magik still around after X-Infernous not unexpected is awesome so the conformed characters are who:

Cannonball
Sunspot
Karma
Mirage
Magma
Magik
Warlock
Cypher(is this the one now in Young X-Men?)

[mattbib]

no but can anyone remember what karma has every really done. what is karma's brightest moment?Yes, I can remember what Karma has done.

One of her more recent bright moments was her role in Mekanix. She played a great partner to Kitty. Before that her storylin in the Asgardian Wars was memorable and showcased her strengths. Possessing pre-retcon Tessa was another. And working alongside Wolverine and Tyger Tiger. But I generally don't like characters for specific feats. Karma, when written well, is a compelling, sympathetic character. Even on the New Mutants she often felt like an outsider. I can see her and Illyana developing a friendship.


Anyway, yeah, nostalgia's certainly playing a part in my anticipation of this book, but the new information on story and art certainly makes this a more appealing and hopeful title.

[The Lucky One]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.

So when he talked about how he considers the New Mutants the only class other than the X-Men to ever "graduate" from Xavier's, and how he thinks of the 80s and 90s as "Book 1" of their story, what you took away from that is that he was planning to ignore what happened in X-Force?

Gotta admit, that's not the impression I got from the interview at all. Different strokes and all, but I doubt Zeb's going to revert the characters back to impressionable teenagers who can be led around by their noses by a militaristic quasi-fascist.

Phalanx warrior Warlock.

Bleh... there's no call for confusing a pureborn Technarch like Warlock with the waste by-product abominations that are the Phalanx. That's a low blow, mister. :biggrin:

-D

[Anna]

Here is a question answered by editor Nick Lowe at the X-Men panel.


- Are Warlock and Cypher in New Mutants?

Lowe: Yes.

Now I'm happy. Or as happy as I can be since I returned from FMLA Wednesday, only to get "downsized".

[Flâneur]

So basically Wells never read one issue of X-force where the team you know already graduated into adults and their own team? The way he sounds in the intereview that the way it comes off. Sam was already one of the best leaders of any X-team, and led X-Force pretty damn well for a long time on their own and doing their own thing away from the rest of the X-men.

This series has a very high suck factor hanging over it if he acts like none of the X-Force stuff ever happened. Their was really great character devoplemnt in that series after Liefeld left the book with guys like Nicieza, Loeb, and John Franics Moore taking the helm.
Well, New Mutants isn't X-Force any more than X-men is. It featured members, that's all. I'm sure when the Sunspot, Cannonball and Moonstar focus arcs come up that it won't be ignored, just like all the development the characters received elsewhere. I didn't at all get the impression he's ignoring any characterisation from X-Force any more than he's ignoring Uncanny, Excalibur, New Mutants/Academy X, New X-men or Young X-men. So let's not leap to conclusions.

Its a matter of perspective.
In his Young Avengers / Runaways cross over..... the MORE POWERFUL (thats how I prefer to look at it) were abducted and some were tortured.
Specifically.... Billy, Teddy, Karolina and Xavin.

Yes, none of them are heterosexual (technically Xavin is a transgender alien) but that isn't the reason they were taken.
They were taken for their alien nature, excluding Billy. He was taken, more as a precaution to avoid leaving 'evidence' or, in this case, a body.

Not because they are gay.
No worries Muholland. :wink:

While I doubt the writer is homophobic, he is part of the refrigerator deal in that he doesn't notice the bigger picture, kind of like Kirkman before he offed Freedom Ring, so it is something I feel a bit concerned with considering he's been handed control of Karma.

[pariah-1972]

I am very cautiously optimistic about this mostly cause i loved the whole New Mutants run up until Liefeld even tho Sienkiwicz put me off the first time i went back and bared thru it.

I'm glad to see long forgotten characters like Magma (who i had a huge crush on as a boy) and Warlock (isn't he still Douglock tho?) I hope he remembers all the changes they have been thru since the original group disbanded otherwise it would just be nostalgia

I'm not overly familiar with either of the creators tho so this could be a mess.

[drwho]

No in fact for those that missed out Warlock already returned before

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5648/317442-108944-warlock_large.jpg

[x1an]

I have been waiting for this for a long time.

I agree. I hope she finally gets a power boost or secondary mutation. She can't really do much with her powers compared to the other new mutants. I hope they dont revert her back to her stereotypical KARMA look and keep the more visually appealing look she's been rocking in Uncanny lately.

[pariah-1972]

No in fact for those that missed out Warlock already returned before

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5648/317442-108944-warlock_large.jpgThat was in Annihilation right?

[Seikun21]

That was in Annihilation right?

I think he appeared in Nova before he appeared in Annihilation Conquest.

The New Mutants had a cameo.

[MuhollandDriver]

Bleh... there's no call for confusing a pureborn Technarch like Warlock with the waste by-product abominations that are the Phalanx. That's a low blow, mister. :biggrin:

-D

*laughs* i didn't type my thoughts out clearly. i meant he is a warrior who fights the Phalanx.

[Roo]

if they bring back cypher it will be the best day ever

by the time i was old enough to start reading comics, new mutants was long gone, but the first time i read them was the asgard story... magik, illyana and cypher were always my favourites, probably because at the time they were all dead (and stayed dead) and i maybe always felt they were tragic characters

but the asgardian line-up... in my top 3 x-teams ever

[MuhollandDriver]

if they bring back cypher it will be the best day ever

by the time i was old enough to start reading comics, new mutants was long gone, but the first time i read them was the asgard story... magik, illyana and cypher were always my favourites, probably because at the time they were all dead (and stayed dead) and i maybe always felt they were tragic characters

but the asgardian line-up... in my top 3 x-teams ever

Well....according to the editors..the lineup includes Warlock and Cipher.

[psycwave]

I Lurve Empath And This Title

[XSE Drake]

I reeeeeeallly hope that's Cypher and not Cipher.

Cipher is like Crystal Pepsi. Cypher is the real thing.

[Roo]

Well....according to the editors..the lineup includes Warlock and Cipher.

aye i know and that's why i'm trying to not get my hopes up... cypher is still dead. ok his return has been teased for months. and while i shouldn't be complaining, i'm generally not a fan of returns (although colossus' is still one of the greatest comic book moments ever), because they are usually so contrived - but as long as it's quick and painless :wink:

[Deathstroke]

I am so picking up this book.

At the beginning of it's run through the first say 50 issues or so, it was my favorite title.

And the characters remain some of my favorites.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I was away all weekend, but did sneak off to a computer for a while to constantly refresh the report of this panel, and I've been giddy ever since the announcement.

Honestly, how can anyone not be bouncing with joy after seeing those Travis Charest and Alex Ross covers?

Wasn't sure at first about the creative team, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. Zeb Wells wrote the second half of the most recent Heroes for Hire title, and for my money he turned something barely readable into a cool team book with a great dynamic between the characters--and I wasn't even predisposed to like those characters, like I am here.

Diogenes Neves I actually hoped wouldn't be the artist based on his New Mutants Saga cover, but I've looked up the online previews of his X-Men: Worlds Apart work, and that plus the New Mutants pages shown has made me much more positive.

I buy everything Marvel in collections, but this book had me very tempted to go monthly...

Go New Mutants, and doubly so for Illyana back in a regluar monthly!

[darknessatnoon]

A gift for New Mutants fans. From Astonishing Tales #1.

http://i42.tinypic.com/300uniu.jpg

[just another user]

A gift for New Mutants fans. From Astonishing Tales #1.

http://i42.tinypic.com/300uniu.jpg

Is the whole issue the New Mutants drawn by this artist?

[darknessatnoon]

Is the whole issue the New Mutants drawn by this artist?

That's from one short story in it. The art is fantastic for two pages, especially the rendition of Spiral. Then a different artist takes over (or a different style) once they arrive in Mojorworld.

[Affinity]

LOLbighands. Funny.

[Flâneur]

LOLbighands. Funny.

How big are your hands, Moho?

[Affinity]

They're not very big :o

[DanCMH]

With Asgard officially back it's possible Dani's valkyrie powers start to return slowly...

[Flâneur]

They're not very big :o

There there, I'm sure they'll grow! You're only young!

[MuhollandDriver]

A gift for New Mutants fans. From Astonishing Tales #1.

http://i42.tinypic.com/300uniu.jpg

Writers writers.....getting the subtle homophobia out of Your system somehow!

[pariah-1972]

Writers writers.....getting the subtle homophobia out of Your system somehow!Is it really homophobic not to like girls with big hands :tongue: does this mean jerry sienfeld is a homophobe too?


Also i'm getting a strong Sienkiwicz vibe from that issue.

[MuhollandDriver]

Is it really homophobic not to like girls with big hands :tongue: does this mean jerry sienfeld is a homophobe too?


Also i'm getting a strong Sienkiwicz vibe from that issue.

Yes.

Unless it is Leona Helmsley.

[pariah-1972]

Yes.

Unless it is Leona Helmsley.Is it homophobic for women not to like men with small hands then?
:tongue:

[MuhollandDriver]

Is it homophobic for women not to like men with small hands then?
:tongue:

The underlying intent of that scene was to avoid gays and trannies.

[XaviersMisprint]

The underlying intent of that scene was to avoid gays and trannies.

No, just the trannies in Rio de Janeiro. First of all, Sam is very self-conscious about his homosexuality, and 'Berto is trying to help him. "Remember, if you want to keep it a secret, avoid girls with big hands and you are safe."

Plus I can't picture myself attracted to a transgender. I like women, and I like men. I may appreciate a transgender as a person, but I can't see myself being attracted to one. So perhaps Sam feels the same way.

[pariah-1972]

The underlying intent of that scene was to avoid gays and trannies.Yes i got that but is it really homophobic to avoid gays and trannies during a Carnival Parade?

[Flâneur]

The underlying intent of that scene was to avoid gays and trannies.
No, it's more mocking Sam's naivete that he would start something sexual while having no idea. 'Berto knows though and just tells him to watch it rather than explain to the bumpkin.
Yes i got that but is it really homophobic to avoid gays and trannies during a Carnival Parade?

The way you say it? Yes.

[tore_a_bore_a]

I liked reading New Mutants back in the day, but I'm probably in the minority when I say that I liked the X-Factor kids better.

Rusty, Skids, Boom Boom, Rictor, Artie, and Leech were the younger mutants I liked to read about.

[Deathstroke]

No, it's more mocking Sam's naivete that he would start something sexual while having no idea. 'Berto knows though and just tells him to watch it rather than explain to the bumpkin.

Sam was knocking boots with the luscious Lila Cheney...I wouldn't think he's a complete bumpkin.

[Deathstroke]

I know this is the Internet and what would the Internet be without nonsensical bitching, but can't we just enjoy the fact that potential crap writing and art aside we are getting back one of the greatest set of characters in one place EVER?

[timbox]

Girls with big hands are creepy. I'd rather it turn out to be a man.

[Twisted Bliss]

Isnt that just an ode to the previous relationship Sam and 'Berto shared.

'Berto was the confident experienced ladies man (so he thought) whereas Sam was the shy, gangly youth. By giving Sam a heads up about a situation he could find himself in that would be out of his comfort zone, its just 'Berto looking out for a friend. Making sure he is ok.

I don't think there is any thing sinister or phobic in that. But that's just my interpretation.

[Leirus]

Isnt that just an ode to the previous relationship Sam and 'Berto shared.

'Berto was the confident experienced ladies man (so he thought) whereas Sam was the shy, gangly youth. By giving Sam a heads up about a situation he could find himself in that would be out of his comfort zone, its just 'Berto looking out for a friend. Making sure he is ok.

I don't think there is any thing sinister or phobic in that. But that's just my interpretation.

Lol, nope, I think it is very realist.... is even nice... and I can picture some friends of mine doing the same for me when I was younger (and straight-er)

[The Lucky One]

I know this is the Internet and what would the Internet be without nonsensical bitching, but can't we just enjoy the fact that potential crap writing and art aside we are getting back one of the greatest set of characters in one place EVER?

Word. A great writer can make a random team work well together, and a crap writer can make a great team painful to read, but some characters just work better together, period. The New Mutants is one of the all-time great examples of a team with terrific chemistry and character interaction; they play off of each other so excellently.

-D

[Twisted Bliss]

Lol, nope, I think it is very realist.... is even nice... and I can picture some friends of mine doing the same for me when I was younger (and straight-er)

Easy there Leirus...

We don't want to go that far back in time. :biggrin: :biggrin:

[Leirus]

Easy there Leirus...

We don't want to go that far back in time. :biggrin: :biggrin:

Lol... why not? Are we not talking about 80ies nostalgie here? :wink:

(I have just realized I was just born when this series started)

[Anna]

I know that Berto's spent a lot of time away, and may not have gotten to know all of the X-Men; but what's Sam's excuse?

[yanapryde]

I'm so over people bitching about X-Force.

No, not the beautiful tapestry of luscious story woven into gorgeous art that Chris Yost and Craig Kyle are responsible for...

I mean that 90's gang lead by Cable.
I'm not going to bash it because I am fully aware that some of it's fans flourish throughout the boards, and have likely sifted through this thread specifically, but I don't like how I'm hearing negativity about the upcoming New Mutants book before it's even begun.

Why is it that fans continually become upset when their favorite characters are brought back into our lives, but their title is changed? Big hairy deal!
And so many are up in arms about this book allegedly disregarding the characters' involvement with X-Force, but we have no evidence of that either. In fact, Wells commented in his interview on CBR about that being a part of their lives, and he's going to be writing about the New Mutant characters, post X-Force, etc.

So calm down 90's X-Force fans.
Lets give Wells the benefit of the doubt. I'm very excited.:rolleyes:

[darknessatnoon]

I'm so over people bitching about X-Force.

No, not the beautiful tapestry of luscious story woven into gorgeous art that Chris Yost and Craig Kyle are responsible for...

I mean that 90's gang lead by Cable.
I'm not going to bash it because I am fully aware that some of it's fans flourish throughout the boards, and have likely sifted through this thread specifically, but I don't like how I'm hearing negativity about the upcoming New Mutants book before it's even begun.

Why is it that fans continually become upset when their favorite characters are brought back into our lives, but their title is changed? Big hairy deal!
And so many are up in arms about this book allegedly disregarding the characters' involvement with X-Force, but we have no evidence of that either. In fact, Wells commented in his interview on CBR about that being a part of their lives, and he's going to be writing about the New Mutant characters, post X-Force, etc.

So calm down 90's X-Force fans.
Lets give Wells the benefit of the doubt. I'm very excited.:rolleyes:

I refuse to buy this book if Feral and Shatterstar are not included.

[yanapryde]

I refuse to buy this book if Feral and Shatterstar are not included.

You try to spite me at every turn don't you D@N!!! Curse you!:evilsmile:

[darknessatnoon]

You try to spite me at every turn don't you D@N!!! Curse you!:evilsmile:

I also demand Rictor, Skids and Boom Boom.

Otherwise this title is an insult to fans.

[worstblogever]

I also demand Rictor, Skids and Boom Boom.

Otherwise this title is an insult to fans.

I actually was wondering about Skids' involvement the other day. A storyline where she's running from H.A.M.M.E.R. operatives, as she was last seen as an Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., and once upon a time, so was Dani Moonstar, could really make for an incredible story arc.

[Hi-Fi]

Boom Boom definitely should be included. She's a rising star.

[Bingo!]

I also demand Rictor, Skids and Boom Boom.

Otherwise this title is an insult to fans.

It's a given. You know that means Rahne will come too.

[darknessatnoon]

It's a given. You know that means Rahne will come too.

No Rahne. She is unnecessary. They got sick of her constant whining in high school.

[Prodigy55]

Boom Boom is magical.

[darknessatnoon]

I actually was wondering about Skids' involvement the other day. A storyline where she's running from H.A.M.M.E.R. operatives, as she was last seen as an Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., and once upon a time, so was Dani Moonstar, could really make for an incredible story arc.

Skids should join the Sisterhood in order to raise Rusty from the dead.

[Bingo!]

No Rahne. She is unnecessary. They got sick of her constant whining in high school.

She'll missing in X-Force. She must be running to meet up with these kids. Who'll get stuck walking her?

[yanapryde]

I also demand Rictor, Skids and Boom Boom.

Otherwise this title is an insult to fans.


you devil:wink:

[Hi-Fi]

I wonder how long will we have to wait for Gosamyr's return.

[darknessatnoon]

I wonder how long will we have to wait for Gosamyr's return.

Maybe she and Warlock can save Kitty from the bullet, and they can invite Kitty to join the team and she will tell them (again) that she is too good to be a New Mutant.

[Twisted Bliss]

I wonder how long will we have to wait for Gosamyr's return.

Well seeing as the CFC's contained in hairspray was banned after she left I doubt she'll be making a reappearance with her HUGE Bouffant !

If she does Greenpeace will kick her arse back to the sun.

Ozone depleteing biatch !

[darknessatnoon]

I wish a dedicated New Mutant fan would create a "Who Does Kitty Pryde Think She Is?" thread, devoted to the many times Kitty dissed the New Mutants.

[Bingo!]

I wish a dedicated New Mutant fan would create a "Who Does Kitty Pryde Think She Is?" thread, devoted to the many times Kitty dissed the New Mutants.

Kitty always whined about being treated like a child while her best friend Illyana spent her delicate formative years in limbo and never complained.

[worstblogever]

Skids should join the Sisterhood in order to raise Rusty from the dead.

I'd like to see it, but I doubt we will.

[tapwater86]

I found this picture on the Diogenes Neves blog, and I am a little afraid. What is with colorist's these days? Why does Karma look like Moira Mctaggert?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WmAUGgCA7jQ/SXZ7iAWhU7I/AAAAAAAAATk/CDIkegQqBLs/s1600-h/NMSAGA_COV1_col.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WmAUGgCA7jQ/SXZ7iAWhU7I/AAAAAAAAATk/CDIkegQqBLs/s1600-h/NMSAGA_COV1_col.jpg

[doctortherift]

I found this picture on the Diogenes Neves blog, and I am a little afraid. What is with colorist's these days? Why does Karma look like Moira Mctaggert?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WmAUGgCA7jQ/SXZ7iAWhU7I/AAAAAAAAATk/CDIkegQqBLs/s1600-h/NMSAGA_COV1_col.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WmAUGgCA7jQ/SXZ7iAWhU7I/AAAAAAAAATk/CDIkegQqBLs/s1600-h/NMSAGA_COV1_col.jpg

More importantly, why is Dani Moonstar attacking the viewer with her vagina? Is this her mysterious new power?

[yanapryde]

Kitty always whined about being treated like a child while her best friend Illyana spent her delicate formative years in limbo and never complained.

As a devout Illyana fan....self proclaimed as the #1 'Yana fan, I don't know if Illyana never complained about having grown up in Limbo.

She brought it up a lot, and explained it rather often in later stories, especially while IN Limbo with her teammates. I'd consider that passive aggressive complaining.:wink:

[the Hornet]

oy! As much as I liked New Mutants, I seriously hope that they are New Mutants in the title of the book only or just as a code name for a new team of X-MEN. I mean come on, isn't thisgoing backwards for people like Cannonball and Dani. I liked that Cannonball is part of the x-men team. I feel that if this is a full New Mutants team, separate from the main X-Men team, they would be considered as secondary characters again. As much as I liked when we had NEw Mutants, X-Factor, Excalibur, etc, I rather have more X-Men titles with these characters integrating. That shows progress. :evilangry:

[yanapryde]

oy! As much as I liked New Mutants, I seriously hope that they are New Mutants in the title of the book only or just as a code name for a new team of X-MEN. I mean come on, isn't thisgoing backwards for people like Cannonball and Dani. I liked that Cannonball is part of the x-men team. I feel that if this is a full New Mutants team, separate from the main X-Men team, they would be considered as secondary characters again. As much as I liked when we had NEw Mutants, X-Factor, Excalibur, etc, I rather have more X-Men titles with these characters integrating. That shows progress. :evilangry:

didn't anyone READ THE INTERVIEW regarding this new title???
It is NOT a 'step back' for these guys!!!!

[greenshoes713]

Writers writers.....getting the subtle homophobia out of Your system somehow!

? Where did you get that from?

and I agree with the Hornet its kind of a step down for Sam.

[Bingo!]

As a devout Illyana fan....self proclaimed as the #1 'Yana fan, I don't know if Illyana never complained about having grown up in Limbo.

She brought it up a lot, and explained it rather often in later stories, especially while IN Limbo with her teammates. I'd consider that passive aggressive complaining.:wink:

I'm a bad fan. I was basing this solely on Uncanny X-Men 168, where Kitty acts a fool, but saves the day. Illyana is calm and collected throughout.

[NielsVanEekelen]

self proclaimed as the #1 'Yana fan,

Oh, really now?

Is that a challenge?:evilsmile:



(CBR has a preview of Worlds Apart #4 somewhere, with a Diogenes Neves-drawn Xi'an that looks much better, so I'm hoping that New Mutants Saga cover is a temporary lapse.)

[yanapryde]

Oh, really now?

Is that a challenge?:evilsmile:



(CBR has a preview of Worlds Apart #4 somewhere, with a Diogenes Neves-drawn Xi'an that looks much better, so I'm hoping that New Mutants Saga cover is a temporary lapse.)


Oh its not a challenge.
I win.
I will never relinquish my title!!!!
Fear not fans and friends. That cover is simply being used for the April issue that acts as a quick rewind of our gang's history. I'm not a fan either. I mean...whats up with Moira McKarma? I mean...really? Ugh. Maybe we'll get lucky with a variant we can choose over that cover. Here's hoping.

[Anna]

I refuse to buy this book if Feral and Shatterstar are not included.


Both are psycho enough; but happily, Feral's dead. :biggrin:

[The Lucky One]

oy! As much as I liked New Mutants, I seriously hope that they are New Mutants in the title of the book only or just as a code name for a new team of X-MEN. I mean come on, isn't thisgoing backwards for people like Cannonball and Dani.

So... you haven't been reading the other posts in this thread, then.

I liked that Cannonball is part of the x-men team. I feel that if this is a full New Mutants team, separate from the main X-Men team, they would be considered as secondary characters again.

They're secondary characters now. Primary characters appear regularly in their own book, no matter what it's called, and impact the story. Secondary characters appear in the background of a book and occasionally get a line or get to take one action per storyline.

Is it really that hard a concept for people to grasp? This isn't rocket science.

-D

[SayOcean]

i wouldnt mind the karm coloring thing...i mean maybe she just dyed her hair... she was been shown to do that... but why are her eyes blue.....why does every minority have blue eyes..... jubilee, storm

[MuhollandDriver]

So... you haven't been reading the other posts in this thread, then.



They're secondary characters now. Primary characters appear regularly in their own book, no matter what it's called, and impact the story. Secondary characters appear in the background of a book and occasionally get a line or get to take one action per storyline.

Is it really that hard a concept for people to grasp? This isn't rocket science.

-D

Thank You. i suppose i see why some view this as a downgrade....but it really isn't, people. Matter of fact, it is quite an upgrade.

[CmX]

The dude that drew World's Apart is drawing New Mutants?? Sweet! Talent.

[MuhollandDriver]

The dude that drew World's Apart is drawing New Mutants?? Sweet! Talent.

Yes. i believe that Marvel really put a lot of care into this title. It is very promising.

[CmX]

I hope so! I hope it has a great start (a better one than Young XMen anyways) I also wants me some powered Moonstar!

[the Hornet]

So... you haven't been reading the other posts in this thread, then.



They're secondary characters now. Primary characters appear regularly in their own book, no matter what it's called, and impact the story. Secondary characters appear in the background of a book and occasionally get a line or get to take one action per storyline.

Is it really that hard a concept for people to grasp? This isn't rocket science.

-D

Nope, some of us need a genius like you to say is all slow like :rolleyes: . Anyway, in the MU, X-Men are always the A listers among the mutant teams or groups. For those who have been involved heavily in a X-Men title like Sam has, going back to a New Mutants is definately a step back. It is too early to judge I admit, for all we know they are all officially int he main X-Men team with secondary assignments as New Mutants, but I am still a little worried.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Nope, some of us need a genius like you to say is all slow like :rolleyes: . Anyway, in the MU, X-Men are always the A listers among the mutant teams or groups. For those who have been involved heavily in a X-Men title like Sam has, going back to a New Mutants is definately a step back. It is too early to judge I admit, for all we know they are all officially int he main X-Men team with secondary assignments as New Mutants, but I am still a little worried.

These days, anyone vaguely associated with the S.F.-based mutants is called an X-Man. You're in X-Force? Still an X-Man. I think X-Factor, which is staying away from the rest quite deliberately, is the only exception.

Calling a team of X-Men the New Mutants just gives it a bit of extra identity, like the blue team and the gold team and Excalibur ("the Birtish X-Men") once did.

[Twisted Bliss]

Yes. i believe that Marvel really put a lot of care into this title. It is very promising.

I can't wait for this.

I'm really looking forward to this. Its everything I could want. A restoration of old friends getting back together. A family-esque feel. Something that the X-men themselves have been lacking. All this toshing army nonsense. They still need to feel. Its what gives a story depth. Otherwise we'd be reading comics about no-emotion terminators. No intrigue, no shocking revelations, no drama. Just war.

That's not what I picked up the X-men for and not what I want to spend my time reading. Yes it happens, but no I don't want it to be the primary all absorbing aspect of what I read.

These days, anyone vaguely associated with the S.F.-based mutants is called an X-Man. You're in X-Force? Still an X-Man. I think X-Factor, which is staying away from the rest quite deliberately, is the only exception.

Calling a team of X-Men the New Mutants just gives it a bit of extra identity, like the blue team and the gold team and Excalibur ("the Birtish X-Men") once did.

I agree. Its a homage to the past. It defines where these characters come from. For now its perfect. It gives them a sense of identity, something to draw them together, a cohesive bind.

[jarrod]

Shan has clearly been possessed by the ghost of Lady Moira Kinross MacTaggert. Just be thankful it wasn't another malevolent Egyptian.

[Twisted Bliss]

Shan has clearly been possessed by the ghost of Lady Moira Kinross MacTaggert. Just be thankful it wasn't another malevolent Egyptian.

Does this mean she'll start eating haggis and fancing bald men?

[RickyD410]

Does this mean she'll start eating haggis and fancing bald men?

Haggis is delicious. EVERYONE should eat haggis!!

[Twisted Bliss]

Haggis is delicious. EVERYONE should eat haggis!!

Ewww I've tried it and no...I have to disagree.

Now if we're talking scotch drop scones then I'd happily put on the Moira McTaggart aliceband of Scottish heritage.

[jarrod]

Does this mean she'll start eating haggis and fancing bald men?
She'll also be getting sloppy drunk regularly and start using machine guns. At least the housework and laundry will remain consistent, I don;t think Farouk ever folded anything in his lives.

[greenshoes713]

Thank You. i suppose i see why some view this as a downgrade....but it really isn't, people. Matter of fact, it is quite an upgrade.

Upgrade? How? He was an X-Man and now he's on a team that are "the next X-Men"

[Leirus]

Upgrade? How? He was an X-Man and now he's on a team that are "the next X-Men"

Why do not know yet which function are they going to have...

But at any rate, he means that going from secundary on Uncanny to main character in New X-men is an upgrade, but maybe not in the sense you mean...

[NielsVanEekelen]

Upgrade? How? He was an X-Man and now he's on a team that are "the next X-Men"

There's absolutely nothing to indicate that. The "New Mutants" is just a team name. At one point, the people in the New Mutants were indeed "the next X-Men." Now they are X-Men, but nothing says they can't get their old team name back to identify themselves within the X-crowd.

Not like New Mutants has been handed down to Generation X, or the New or Young X-Men as a brand meaning "student team" ...

[metalgorgomon]

I think "New Mutants" is just the book's name. They're just a group of X-Men going by their own way..

I'm actually really glad they they reunited again in this book. And I do not consider this as a downdgrade. If downgrade (for Sam and Karma) means going from a core book to a satelite book. Yes. But in terms of status and characterization.. I think this is an upgrade.

And this book is probably the place for them to shine.
I hope they all get new costumes though. Not too similiar with their New Mutants costume. Should be totally new ones. I really like Sam's costume in Uncanny during Claremont last run on the book.

[sneggz]

Upgrade? How? He was an X-Man and now he's on a team that are "the next X-Men"
Downgrade? Scott's doing to Sam what Chuckie did to him... give him a team to run. Eventually it will all come full circle, Scott's secrets will come out, and then Sammy boy will be leading the X-Men.

[MuhollandDriver]

The writer said that the team will be facing A-List villains and threats.....i am gathering that they decided to work as a team because their dynamic is great....and because of their close bonds.

Regardless....i'd rather see Sam, Dani, Illyana, and everyone else shine in their own title....not have to consistently fight for their worth past "A Listers" and flavor of the month characters.

[Twisted Bliss]

The writer said that the team will be facing A-List villains and threats.....i am gathering that they decided to work as a team because their dynamic is great....and because of their close bonds.

Regardless....i'd rather see Sam, Dani, Illyana, and everyone else shine in their own title....not have to consistently fight for their worth past "A Listers" and flavor of the month characters.

Damn right.

I want to see these characters be the stars of their own book. I dont really give a frig if they are called the "New Muppet Babies". If they have their own book, and are featured each month they can call themselves what they like.

[NielsVanEekelen]

"these characters are so awesome."

- Zeb Wells interview on Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6850.Tuesday_Q)--includes assurances that the characters won't be taken backwards.

[yanapryde]

Damn right.

I want to see these characters be the stars of their own book. I dont really give a frig if they are called the "New Muppet Babies". If they have their own book, and are featured each month they can call themselves what they like.

HERE HERE! Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!:biggrin:
And I believe a comparison was made earlier to Xavier and Cyclops? I like that comparison. It rings true. And yes, they're a team. They are not a sub division of the X-Men. They ARE X-Men.
Talk about double standard B.S. some of these people keep posting. Its as if a character doesn't matter, or aren't considerd to BE X-Men unless they are on a mission with Storm or Beast or Wolva-freeeeakin'-reeen! Since when does the company you keep determine status or rank? Thats Junk!
How does branching out honestly translate to being demoted? I mean, COME ON!!!

[darknessatnoon]

HERE HERE! Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!:biggrin:
And I believe a comparison was made earlier to Xavier and Cyclops? I like that comparison. It rings true. And yes, they're a team. They are not a sub division of the X-Men. They ARE X-Men.
Talk about double standard B.S. some of these people keep posting. Its as if a character doesn't matter, or aren't considerd to BE X-Men unless they are on a mission with Storm or Beast or Wolva-freeeeakin'-reeen! Since when does the company you keep determine status or rank? Thats Junk!
How does branching out honestly translate to being demoted? I mean, COME ON!!!

They are being demoted for not answering their phones when Empath needed to be defeated. Cyclops decided that X-Men is a moniker only for people he can rely on in an emergency.

[yanapryde]

They are being demoted for not answering their phones when Empath needed to be defeated. Cyclops decided that X-Men is a moniker only for people he can rely on in an emergency.

you follow me don't you? :rolleyes:

This is worth quoting:
Marvel.com: What kind of tone are you going for in the book? Will you be going back to the tone of that original series, or doing something a little different with it?

Zeb Wells: It has to be a little different, because those characters have obviously grown up a lot since that series came out. I think it would be a disservice to the characters and people that have been reading about them if I just went back and tried to act like they're the same characters from that early run. I want to look at what those characters have been through since that series and then try to extrapolate how they would act as young adults. Because I think that's what they are now. I mean Sam has obviously been part of the proper X-Men team, and so I don't want this to look like [I'm] taking the characters backwards in any way. I want to make sure that people can see that it's a progression of the characters and that they're basically a team that's equal with the X-Men right now. They're just another team of mutants like the X-Men

[MartinRedmond]

I'm sorry but darknessatnoon is right.

[NielsVanEekelen]

They are being demoted for not answering their phones when Empath needed to be defeated. Cyclops decided that X-Men is a moniker only for people he can rely on in an emergency.

Ah, that reminds me of the time when Scott was a suspect in the shooting of Emma Frost, but couldn't bother to answer his communicator because he was busy getting drunk in the Hellfire Club.

[timbox]

Is Cannonball going to lead these muppets?

[greenshoes713]

- Zeb Wells interview on Marvel.com (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6850.Tuesday_Q)--includes assurances that the characters won't be taken backwards.

YAY!

I hope Cannonball is the leader.

[the Hornet]

These days, anyone vaguely associated with the S.F.-based mutants is called an X-Man. You're in X-Force? Still an X-Man. I think X-Factor, which is staying away from the rest quite deliberately, is the only exception.

Calling a team of X-Men the New Mutants just gives it a bit of extra identity, like the blue team and the gold team and Excalibur ("the Birtish X-Men") once did.

yeah I am hoping this is the case, it would be slightly less insulting, and a cool tribute to have code-names bases on their old teams.

And I liked the comparison someone made about Prof and Scott with Scott and Sam too.

Lets really hope it is truly a proper progression and not something to say while promoting the book. What would be really good for fans and for sales is to extend or continue what is being done now, make Uncanny X-Men the book where all members appear now and then including X-Force and New Mutants where Scott mixes and matches members for specific missions. Sort of like Marvel Team Up for X-Men. Then we can have smaller core teams in Legacy, New Mutants and X-Force.

[otipep_90]

Wait wait wait everyone, is it just me or did Zeb Wells just confirm Legion's return? I demand that he joins the New Mutants now! I want some daddy drama damn it.

[sneggz]

Wait wait wait everyone, is it just me or did Zeb Wells just confirm Legion's return? I demand that he joins the New Mutants now! I want some daddy drama damn it.
Well they're going up against him...

Wait, can Legion be possessed?

[yanapryde]

Well they're going up against him...

Wait, can Legion be possessed?

Didn't Zeb say something about Karma being important here? Since she can enter minds?

[sneggz]

Didn't Zeb say something about Karma being important here? Since she can enter minds?
Well yeah, but is it even possible?

Like, if Karma does possess Legion, does she possess all of him? Or just whichever personality is dominant? Doesn't she need to fight 3 different personas just to take over Legion?

[darknessatnoon]

Well yeah, but is it even possible?

Like, if Karma does possess Legion, does she possess all of him? Or just whichever personality is dominant? Doesn't she need to fight 3 different personas just to take over Legion?

She can take over many minds at once, so long as one of them isn't Emma Frost.

[x1an]

Well yeah, but is it even possible?

Like, if Karma does possess Legion, does she possess all of him? Or just whichever personality is dominant? Doesn't she need to fight 3 different personas just to take over Legion?

I hope they give her another power aside from her possession powers. Why not make her a full-fledged telepath? The X-men can't always rely on Emma. Its like a recipe for disaster for them.

[sneggz]

She can take over many minds at once, so long as one of them isn't Emma Frost.
Works for me.

[yanapryde]

I hope they give her another power aside from her possession powers. Why not make her a full-fledged telepath? The X-men can't always rely on Emma. Its like a recipe for disaster for them.

Karma can alter perceptions and memories, command entranced opponents to divulge information, and/or operate their bodies as if they were an extension of her own through her mutant powers.
She is also able to generate a psionic deflector shield that disrupts incoming psi-signatures, protecting her from all manner of psychic assaults.
Isn't she basically telepathic already? I think its an issue of semantics.
Tomato = Toe-mAH-toe
Possession = Telepathy
:rolleyes:

[metalgorgomon]

I hope they give her another power aside from her possession powers. Why not make her a full-fledged telepath? The X-men can't always rely on Emma. Its like a recipe for disaster for them.

Karma has been using her power to read minds in recent issues of Uncanny.
Plus Zeb Wells said:
Then Legion's in it, and certain parts of his personality are still just children, and Karma's the only one that can really get inside his head and figure all that out and deal with that. I really wanted to take the first arc to bring out her character so we can really see how she deals with people like that.

[yanapryde]

Karma has been using her power to read minds in recent issues of Uncanny.
Plus Zeb Wells said:

rock on! Karma deserves a little spot light. Ever since that brief...and I mean BRIEF stint in Uncanny where she 'gleened' that the X-Men's captive had a phobia of needles....I've been psyched to see her use her powers more and more!

[darknessatnoon]

rock on! Karma deserves a little spot light. Ever since that brief...and I mean BRIEF stint in Uncanny where she 'gleened' that the X-Men's captive had a phobia of needles....I've been psyched to see her use her powers more and more!

That scene had her stealing Mirage's powers. Probing for fears is Dani's gift.

[The M.E.]

God, I am SO jazzed for this! I love that they'll be looking at who they are today and reconnecting without reverting to kids again. I wonder if they'll be in the old costumes though. I feel like that will make them look really young again. Maybe some new costumes? (Just not those blue leisure suits that Dani and 'Berto have been sportin)

[Anna]

That scene had her stealing Mirage's powers. Probing for fears is Dani's gift.

It was Dani's gift. Hopefully the new creative team will do something about that.

[yanapryde]

God, I am SO jazzed for this! I love that they'll be looking at who they are today and reconnecting without reverting to kids again. I wonder if they'll be in the old costumes though. I feel like that will make them look really young again. Maybe some new costumes? (Just not those blue leisure suits that Dani and 'Berto have been sportin)

Those jumpsuits? Ya. boo.
I mean, I think they COULD work if they were going for a unified look but I'd like for the artist to tweak them because as of now they 're rather dull. I am a sucker for matching uniforms but I do like each one to have a little individualism with maybe a unifying colour scheme.:redface:

[darknessatnoon]

It was Dani's gift. Hopefully the new creative team will do something about that.

Now that she has grown into an enraged woman, that would be an awesome power to have. She was always a little too chicken-shit about using it for my tastes.

[yanapryde]

It was Dani's gift. Hopefully the new creative team will do something about that.

Dani's gift was erased though.
And...Zeb stated in an interview that the subject of Dani no longer being a mutant would definitely need to be discussed by the team. I look forward to that scene very much. I wonder who will support her inclusion and who might express hesitation. I mean.... Hello Doug Ramsey? Which of the gang might look at Dani as the 'weak one' ?

( I loved Doug Ramsey btw)

[sneggz]

Those jumpsuits? Ya. boo.
I mean, I think they COULD work if they were going for a unified look but I'd like for the artist to tweak them because as of now they 're rather dull. I am a sucker for matching uniforms but I do like each one to have a little individualism with maybe a unifying colour scheme.:redface:
Like if say Sam has the yellow... but has those C's all over it that he sports?

[x1an]

Karma can alter perceptions and memories, command entranced opponents to divulge information, and/or operate their bodies as if they were an extension of her own through her mutant powers.
She is also able to generate a psionic deflector shield that disrupts incoming psi-signatures, protecting her from all manner of psychic assaults.
Isn't she basically telepathic already? I think its an issue of semantics.
Tomato = Toe-mAH-toe
Possession = Telepathy
:rolleyes:

True but she has barely ever exhibited those powers aside from that new mutants limited series and the Beast limited series. Emma and the Shadow King made her look like she could barely defend herself. I hope the new writer gives her the opportunity to kick some serious ass!!!

[yanapryde]

True but she has barely ever exhibited those powers aside from that new mutants limited series and the Beast limited series. Emma and the Shadow King made her look like she could barely defend herself. I hope the new writer gives her the opportunity to kick some serious ass!!!

Exactly. And by the sounds of things, Zeb seems to like her character a lot and wants to make her shine so I think we're in for some good Karmatic moments.:wink:

[CMBMOOL]

Dani's gift was erased though.
And...Zeb stated in an interview that the subject of Dani no longer being a mutant would definitely need to be discussed by the team. I look forward to that scene very much. I wonder who will support her inclusion and who might express hesitation. I mean.... Hello Doug Ramsey? Which of the gang might look at Dani as the 'weak one' ?

( I loved Doug Ramsey btw)
Yep, Old Dani is like a bullseye target to the team. :frown:

Plus how are they going to get Rhane on the team when she's in X-force ? :frown:

[yanapryde]

Yep, Old Dani is like a bullseye target to the team. :frown:

Plus how are they going to get Rhane on the team when she's in X-force ? :frown:

Going off of what the writer stated, she won't be joining anytime soon. She's got big things going on in X-Force. (Rhane)

[MuhollandDriver]

i'm sure Wolfsbane will make appearances.

As for Dani.....people forget what a formidable fighter and leader she is.

If Storm can do it....she can.

[Joe Franklin]

This depowered mutant crap has got to stop.

I am looking forward to this book, but I might skip it just because a depowered character is on the team.

No powers= Not A Mutant = should not be in the book(in my opinion).

[SayOcean]

karma was pretty damn cool in the truth or daremini.....yeah i read it,and i liked it it wasnt that good, but karma was cool

but anyways.....karma possesed wolverine...thats cool....and its annoying when storm just has her strong will.........and she can still withstand more mind tampering than karma

[x1an]

This depowered mutant crap has got to stop.

I am looking forward to this book, but I might skip it just because a depowered character is on the team.

No powers= Not A Mutant = should not be in the book(in my opinion).

Whatever happen to Xavier's dream of co-existence between humans and mutants?

[x1an]

i'm sure Wolfsbane will make appearances.

As for Dani.....people forget what a formidable fighter and leader she is.

If Storm can do it....she can.

Isn't She a Valkyrie? Technically, wouldn't she have some magic powers because of that? They could focus on that ascept instead of her mutantion or lack thereof.

[The Lucky One]

I hope they give her another power aside from her possession powers. Why not make her a full-fledged telepath?

Because normal telepaths are boring. They're a dime a dozen in the MU. From a storytelling standpoint, it's much more fun and interesting to have a character who specializes in one area, but is the best at it, than one who's "pretty good" at a wider field. Why would a writer want to make Karma a regular telepath who will then never be considered as good as Xavier, Jean Grey, Emma Frost, Rachel, etc., when she can specialize in one area and be better at it than all of them?

Look at it this way: if the Flash had super-speed, but also super-strength, flight, invulnerability, and heat vision, he'd be "that guy who's a lot like Superman... except not Superman." And DC already has a Superman. Captain Marvel only survives because his circumstances and backstory are so wildly different, and even so, he can't keep a book going. But you let the Flash specialize in one area and he's not Superman-Lite, he's THE fastest man alive, period. And that's a lot more interesting. :wink:

In other news... Legion? F@$% yeah!!!

-D

[Joe Franklin]

Whatever happen to Xavier's dream of co-existence between humans and mutants?

I am one of Xavier's biggest haters around these parts, so the sooner he gets killed off, the better.

Rictor used to be my favorite member of the New mutants in the 80's. Now that he is depowered, I can't stand him. I would rather he be dead in the Marvel universe, then running around depowered taking up a roster spot on a Mutant team. Rictor is not a Mutant, so he should not be in any X-Book(in my opinion).

[drwho]

maybe its just me being pessimistic but i see karma getting owned by all legions different personalities and this turning into a fat karma situation all over again.

[Anna]

maybe its just me being pessimistic but i see karma getting owned by all legions different personalities and this turning into a fat karma situation all over again.

Didn't Legion's three main personalities head off to oblivion together?

[yanapryde]

maybe its just me being pessimistic but i see karma getting owned by all legions different personalities and this turning into a fat karma situation all over again.

I highly doubt they'll fat-fiy Karma again.

[Anna]

How about having one of his female personalities causing her to desire men?

[Deathstroke]

All I hope for in regards to the set up and character issues is that Dani Moonstar is returned to her rightful place as a kick ass addition to the Marvel Universe.

[Alex A Sanchez]

wow ow owwow owowow! Fun fun!

It's crappy that X-Force gets to hog all of the Rahneness. Wolverine gets to be on 3 teams, why can't Rahne? I was pissed when she left X-Factor, but now she gets the shaft from joining the New Mutants as well?

On the other hand I love Rictor in X-Factor. If Rahne joined New Mutants, Rictor should technically go with her, although I would hate that because PAD's Rictor rocks.

[NielsVanEekelen]

wow ow owwow owowow! Fun fun!

It's crappy that X-Force gets to hog all of the Rahneness. Wolverine gets to be on 3 teams, why can't Rahne? I was pissed when she left X-Factor, but now she gets the shaft from joining the New Mutants as well?

On the other hand I love Rictor in X-Factor. If Rahne joined New Mutants, Rictor should technically go with her, although I would hate that because PAD's Rictor rocks.

I'll miss Rahne in New Mutants, but on the other hand, I'm glad that she isn't just going to tag along while her real character arcs happen in another series.

(This is what made Wolverine boring to me, not his many appearances, but the fact that so few of them have anything significant happen to the character--because something significant would have to be reflected in all those other appearances.)

NM vol.1 was very much about the characters growing and changing, and I hope that continues--none of them are the kind of icons that have to be preserved in a specific, marketable form.

I think I read Kyle and Yost had a 36-issue plan for X-Force--let's just call dibs on Rahne for after that!

[yanapryde]

Although I don't have any probelms with some of the original mutants being in OTHER books (i.e. Rhane being in X-Force) ... I DO hope that the writer has Dani, Roberto, Sam, Amara, Shan, and Illyana acknowledge that Rhane is NOT with them. That would be nice, and appropriate, in my humble opinion.
But really, I'm thrilled with the chosen team. I just CAN'T WAIT for issue 1!! 2009 rocks for comics!!:biggrin:

[FemGeek]

I'll miss Rahne in NMs too, it won't be the same gang. I don't mind her being in X Force, but if she don't get some sort of story there I'll be annoyed that she's being left out of the NM goodness.
I'm excited for this series though, 'specially since a lot of books I liked have come to an end these last couple months. Bring on the Muties!

[cookepuss]

For me, the ideal roster is what they had around the time of "Fall of the Mutants" #60.

Sam, Dani, Illyana, Doug, Rahne, & Roberto

Rahne would be nice to have, but I think that K&Y should at least be allowed to follow her story through to its logical conclusion. They're good writers & clearly old school NM fans. They deserve every chance to explore her character and expand upon it.

So, that leaves: Sam, Dani, Illyana, & Roberto as the key figures from that era. 4's not enough for a decent team so I'd add Amara, Xian, & Warlock to the mix.

Doug's (kinda) out of play, but you could replace him with the ever lovable Warlock since he's absorbed Doug's gestalt. Every team needs a bit of comic relief so Warlock is a must. He serves much the same purpose that Morph does in Exiles.

Karma's a tricky character. Nobody has really ever gotten her right. She's still so ill defined after almost 30 years. Still, if you're a purist and view the original 5 as gold then she's a must. Maybe Zeb can succeed where many others have failed.

Amara... Such a great character until the effed up her history with the whole retcon of Nova Roma. So much more interesting as an anachronistic character from a lost civilization until that point. Hopefully, they'll retcon the retcon and bring her back to square 1.

So, for me, my final lineup, given the circumstances, would be:

Sam, Dani, Illyana, Amara, Xian, Roberto, & Warlock

I'd also like to see Lila make some frequent appearances. Y'know you want it. :)

As much as I love Weezie Simonson's run, I think that she made some tragic mistakes by killing off & deaging characters and integrating the Xterminators. Illyana should have never been de-aged. Warlock should have never been dusted. Doug's death was a noble one, but it also eliminated the unique perspective of a X-member who was closest to being a baseline human. The Xterminators are fine, but only seemed to work as a transition from "baby x-men" to X-Force. Don't even get me started on Gosaymr, Bird-Brain, or the awful late New Mutants run treatment of Dani (post #76+).

For me, "Inferno" was the last great New Mutants story. Everything started getting either just plain odd or late 80s/early 90s "EXTREME!!!" after that. The forthcoming excesses of the 90s were peeking their ugly head into the book.

But really.... has this book really ever ended? It's only made a shift in names and lineups over the years. The concept has remained largely consistent and with very small gaps between runs. The lineup changing from NM to X-Force to GenX to NXM and so forth has always been logical and consistent with how the X-Men books revise rosters. I think that it was never really necessary to ever dump the name, even if you were going to completely change rosters. The progression from one run to the next has always been smooth. Exception being Allred/Milligan's awesome Xstatix run.

[drwho]

I am kind of curious though how they are going to bring Warlock back. Last we saw him he was in space trying to teach that other technarch how not to be evil. If anything I think he should drop that new technarch off with them while he is in space. To me it just makes more sense since he wants to teach the youngun how to be different. Also Warlock seemed way too grown up now I wouldnt want him to revert back to what he was.

[cookepuss]

Also Warlock seemed way too grown up now I wouldnt want him to revert back to what he was.
Yeah. Definitely a mistake to some extent. However, it should be noted that:

A) He was little more than a kid when he came to Earth. Probably not even as old as the other New Mutants, as he fled before his coming of age battle with Magus.

B) He did some growing up in Excalibur, during his Douglock phase. That probably contributed a huge amount to his maturation.

C) After that, he did some more growing up in his a hero in his short lived solo title, where he teamed up with Rahne, Psimon, and some others against the Phalanx. He was still goofy though.

His appearances in Nova matured him too much. It was probably wrong of the writer to put him in the father figure role. It was even worse for them to practically suck out every last bit of Plastic Man & Mask-like humor though. I could never see the Nova incarnation of Warlock having a shapeshifting duel with Impossible Man. That sort of thing is what was so essential to his character.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Amara... Such a great character until the effed up her history with the whole retcon of Nova Roma. So much more interesting as an anachronistic character from a lost civilization until that point. Hopefully, they'll retcon the retcon and bring her back to square 1.

I actually looked her up online recently, because I couldn't recall the status of that retcon. Claremont reversed it in X-Treme X-Men, and it turns out she really is Amara Aquilla, and Allison Crestmere was a fake personality that she doesn't want to talk about anymore (and was possibly created by empath). Not sure on the status of Nova Roma.

For me, "Inferno" was the last great New Mutants story.

Clearly. Inferno and a few issues after were the last with Illyana.

I am kind of curious though how they are going to bring Warlock back. Last we saw him he was in space trying to teach that other technarch how not to be evil. If anything I think he should drop that new technarch off with them while he is in space. To me it just makes more sense since he wants to teach the youngun how to be different. Also Warlock seemed way too grown up now I wouldnt want him to revert back to what he was.

Those appearances are why I hope Warlock doesn't return as a regular team member. He's my second-favorite New Mutant, but it just doesn't seem logical for the character right now. Plus, DnA already wrote him brilliantly, even if they're losing points for every issue of Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy that they wait before they bring him back.

[cookepuss]

I actually looked her up online recently, because I couldn't recall the status of that retcon in X-Treme X-Men, and it turns out she really is Amara Aquilla, and Allison Crestmere was a fake personality that she doesn't want to talk about anymore (and was possibly created by empath). Not sure on the status of Nova Roma.
I vaguely remember that. I think that Claremont was trying to undo some of the damage done to his creation. What one hand giveth, the other taketh away. Just look at how he butchered Masque during that run. Anyway, as far as Magma goes, the damage was already done. Her backstory has been muddied by this though. There needs to be a story in the new NM run that makes her origins a bit more definitive. Something additional to wash away the taste of the initial retcon.

Clearly. Inferno and a few issues after were the last with Illyana.
Yeah. The book got really weird after that. First the Xterminators. Then some shaky and unnecessary Asgard stories, which did more harm than help to the book. Then there were the odd guest spots by the likes of Hercules, Vulture, & Namor. Nice to know that they shared the same universe as these characters, but the writing was just so bad. I only completed my run in hopes of things getting better. They did. For a while at least. The last straw for me was that whole Genosha thing near the end. Bringing on Rob Liefeld just punctuated the amount of excess that the book had been indulging in.

By the end, the book became an action book first and a teen soap opera second. The cool thing about the initial 50 issues was that it was always about the teen drama stuff first. The superhero adventurey stuff just kinda happened as a by product. Claremont kept us more interested in stuff like the crushes characters had on one another, father son issues, suicide, & every other basic insecurity that makes us human. Heck, they even had a slumber party. :)

Not saying that the new book should revert them to their teen years, but I'd like to see the superhero antics take a backseat to the human stuff. Much in the same way that it does in PAD's X-Factor. X-Factor is so great because it's got the power & action stuff, but it's more about relationships and slow burn storytelling. The very same stuff that New Mutants was built on.

Those appearances are why I hope Warlock doesn't return as a regular team member. He's my second-favorite New Mutant, but it just doesn't seem logical for the character right now.
Not in the opening arc, but you never know. We really don't know what drives the characters back together. All we know is that it's a "Loki device" - a character whose plot and mere existence forces them back together and back into action.

Plus, DnA already wrote him brilliantly, even if they're losing points for every issue of Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy that they wait before they bring him back.
It was nice to see Warlock in the cosmic style stories, but he still seems horribly out of place given his his X-history. It's like "Family Matters'" Steve Urkel guest appearing on "Step-by Step" way back when. Fun to see him play outside of his element, but get him back to his own show and away from that cast. Pixie Sticks & Coke are a tasty combo, but you don't want to have the two together forever.

I'd love to see Firestar somehow make her way into this book eventually. After all, she did start off in the X-universe and her own LS did have her interacting with the New Mutants. Would be nice to have her on if they ever got rid of Amara. Plus, with Avengers training, with her no longer being with Vance, and her long forgotten teen crush on Sam, it would be interesting to throw her in the mix. Might even be interesting to see her hook up with Sam on the side, as she's expressed no interest in getting back into costume.

EDIT>>> Best NM lineup ever:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7113/226685-118582-new-mutants_super.jpg

Perfect mix of personalities and powers.

[Anna]

I was hoping that YXM Would rectify "Poor Dead" Doug's status.

[drwho]

Also if they bring warlock back you would think he could sense all the techno organic shenanigans going on in the x force books. So him showing up in nm with that storyline going on would just make me :rolleyes:

[Paploo the Ewok]

Gonna miss Young X-men, but I'm more then happy for a New Mutants relaunch. I hope they assorted New X-men/Young X-men/New Mutantsv3 characters get used somewhere [the new Cypher is pretty intriguing]

[The Lucky One]

I was hoping that YXM Would rectify "Poor Dead" Doug's status.

Technically, we don't know that it won't. Granted, two issues isn't a lot of time, but there was that teaser image, and the distinction between Cipher and Cypher last issue. If it doesn't get handled in YXM, who knows, maybe it'll get picked up in New Mutants. Here's hoping. :smile:

-D

[NielsVanEekelen]

Volume One was a 100-issue first act. Here comes act two.

From here. (http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/952/952382p1.html)

[DrDoom616]

I am totally psyched by the return of this series and the long awaited return of my favourite band of (now grown up) Mutants.

I can't wait

[yanapryde]

From here. (http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/952/952382p1.html)

thanks for that link NielsVanEekelen!
It was informative and enjoyable.

Here is a drawing of Illyana in her new X-uniform (or what I imagine it might look like based on that preview page where she's all 'arrowed' and beaten etc.)
Its a rough drawing I did late last night while at work so don't give me grief on the proportions.:wink: Thanks much friends!:biggrin:

[yanapryde]

My fave tidbits from the interview revolve around his 'break down' of the team:

Cannonball - He's the team leader. He realizes its time for him to step up and take responsibility. He knows this is a big deal and is a little frightened by it.

Sunspot - He's the ladies man, and realized how important his relationship with the New Mutants is to him. He wants to be there for Sam and the rest.

Magma - She's got a lot on her mind with her former boyriend Empath being locked up in X-Men HQ and she's not sure about what Illyana's up to, so she'll keep an eye on her.

Illyana - She's an enigma to the team. Her arrival leads to the team being put back together, but she seems to be keeping a lot to herself

Dani Moonstar - She's trying to get over the loss of her powers and find a way to be useful to the team.

Xi'an - Karma is pragmatic and strong. She's been through a lot and it hasn't broken her. Its only made her stronger. She's the team's rock.

And the inclusion of MORE (?) in the second arc! Wowie!:biggrin:
I can't wait for the interactions to begin!!!

[Big Red Spider]

I hope we get to see Warlock make an appearance sooner or later.

That would be awesome. I'd also like to see Rayne and Tabitha. And maybe a storyline involving Lila and Gosamyr.

[darknessatnoon]

Sunspot - He's the ladies man, and realized how important his relationship with the New Mutants is to him. He wants to be there for Sam and the rest.


There has been an error. Sunspot is a "Lady Man."

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[drwho]

I have a problem with your dani description. See sure as hell better not spend this series whining and feeling useless cus she doesnt have her mutie powers any more. Dani moved on right after it happened. She hasnt been seen at all having problems and has been useful even powerless. I think Dani would make a better leader than Cannonball.

[Alex A Sanchez]

(This is what made Wolverine boring to me, not his many appearances, but the fact that so few of them have anything significant happen to the character--because something significant would have to be reflected in all those other appearances.)

WOW. After all these years, you hit the nail on the head why I hate Wolverine so much. I don't have problem with the character- I rather like the idea of a short, hairy hero. I just don't like the way the character is never explored- he's just "around" to be popular. And I hate popularity for popularity's sake.

[4sake]

I have an question to all fellow NM Fans.
I notice Mr.Wells said in his interview that he didn't know exactly how old the New Mutants aspect that he stated they most were in their 20s.
So my question to you all is in your opinions how old do you think each of the members of the current New Mutants roster are?

Cannonball 22-24 (16 when joined)
Moonstar 22/24(16 when joined)
Sunspot 21-23 (14 when joined)
Karma 25-26 (19 when joined)
Magik 16-17 (just doesn't look 14 or 15 to me nor did she look that young in HoM or New X-Men)
Magma 21-24 (her I have no Idea really guessed)

[Omega Alpha]

Your ages area mostly right, I think.

But with Illyana, one can never know for sure, since time passes very differently in Limbo, so we can't know whether she's still jailbait. In either way, Archangel will probably be interested...

[NielsVanEekelen]

I have an question to all fellow NM Fans.
I notice Mr.Wells said in his interview that he didn't know exactly how old the New Mutants aspect that he stated they most were in their 20s.
So my question to you all is in your opinions how old do you think each of the members of the current New Mutants roster are?

Cannonball 22-24 (16 when joined)
Moonstar 2-/24(16 when joined)
Sunspot 21-23 (14 when joined)
Karma 25-26 (19 when joined)
Magik 16-17 (just doesn't look 14 or 15 to me nor did she look that young in HoM or New X-Men)
Magma 21-24 (her I have no Idea really guessed)

Those ages just depress me, since they mean that I am now older than them all. :frown:

In either way, Archangel will probably be interested...

Ha! The angel and the demon? The idea is fun, even if I don't hope to actually see it. But perhaps Piotr can beat up Warren for looking at his little snowflake the wrong way.

[psycwave]

My hopes for the future members are Warlock and Bedlam.

That is all.

[XaviersMisprint]

The series would be cool if they tried to make it like a high school reunion. They try really hard to get everyone together and exclude their other friends, and after the first arc, they all realize they are trying too hard to revisit that old dynamic between them all, and they're forcing a renewed friendship. And then the team splits a bit and some of the neweer characters or other characters associated with the NM come in and fill in the blanks.

I imagine Sunspot, Magma, and Karma sticking around, but Cannonball, Magik, and Mirage moving on to other things, sick of being held down by their peers.

[psycwave]

I also hope Dani regains her valkyrie powers.

[The M.E.]

I also hope Dani regains her valkyrie powers.

Me too, I honestly think it'll happen. (love your avatar btw)!

[drwho]

To me it wouldnt make sense to give her back her valkyrie powers. The current logical way to give her a power is to have the tattoo artist that gave ink his powers give her a tattoo. I would be cool with something like that. As bad as ink and the whole origin is. It is the only way that makes more sense to me then any other at this point.

[sneggz]

My hopes for the future members are Warlock and Bedlam.

That is all.
Boom-Boom first

[4sake]

Your ages area mostly right, I think.

But with Illyana, one can never know for sure, since time passes very differently in Limbo, so we can't know whether she's still jailbait. In either way, Archangel will probably be interested...
Thankz, Do know whether or not if its ever been stated how old Magma was when she joined the new mutants? Or whether or not if she the same age as Cannonball(16) & Moonstar(16) or a year younger or the same age as Sunspot (14) or Karma (19) or Wolfsbane(13) when they joined?

Cypher (14/15 when joined)
Shadowcat (13.5/14 when joined)
Boom Boom (13/14 when joined)

[Omega Alpha]

Kitty was 13 when she joined the X-men. 13 and a half, to be more "precise".

[4sake]

Kitty was 13 when she joined the X-men. 13 and a half, to be more "precise".

What about Magma?

[Omega Alpha]

I have no idea about Magma.

[4sake]

I have no idea about Magma.

Thankz....

[cpahl2000]

I also hope Dani regains her valkyrie powers.




Me too and I think she will. I really can´t wait for NM, I love those characters and It´ s amazing to see them back and together.

[MuhollandDriver]

Anyone notice how everyone was called by their codename in the interview...except Illyana? i hope like hell her magik and soulsword aren't taken away. Very integral to her character.

[The M.E.]

Anyone notice how everyone was called by their codename in the interview...except Illyana? i hope like hell her magik and soulsword aren't taken away. Very integral to her character.

I noticed and wondered that too. My hope is that they're reassuring us it will actually BE Illyana, as opposed to "the return of magik" limited series that seemed to happen every few years, with someone else as "magik",

at least i hope so, i need to see some soulsword action and teleportation disks!

[Darkchylde]

Anyone notice how everyone was called by their codename in the interview...except Illyana? i hope like hell her magik and soulsword aren't taken away. Very integral to her character.

I'm pretty sure Danielle was referred to by her first name, but yeah, I remember thinking it was odd that most of the other cast was referred to by their codename. I, too, hope Illyana keeps the Magik moniker, Soulsword and all. As you've said before, MulhollandDriver, Illyana without her weapons is like Wolverine without his claws. Not only are the Soulsword and armor unique designs, but they make Illyana more than just a blond teleporter.

[cpahl2000]

Anyone notice how everyone was called by their codename in the interview...except Illyana? i hope like hell her magik and soulsword aren't taken away. Very integral to her character.



I think it won´t . Illyana will get one of those names back after all, she is back and that matters a lot.

[Sugarbombz]

Anyone notice how everyone was called by their codename in the interview...except Illyana? i hope like hell her magik and soulsword aren't taken away. Very integral to her character.

Its possible I'm in the minority, but I would be happy if that went away. I'd like to see her just use her teleportation powers and put Limbo behind her after X-Infernus. If not, I'd rather see her tossed into wherever Doc Strange is appearing in.

To quote another poster, the less magic in the X-Men, the better.

[wanderlust565]

It'd be good to have most of them back together, I'm excited to have a monthly Magma fix again

[NielsVanEekelen]

Its possible I'm in the minority, but I would be happy if that went away. I'd like to see her just use her teleportation powers and put Limbo behind her after X-Infernus. If not, I'd rather see her tossed into wherever Doc Strange is appearing in.

To quote another poster, the less magic in the X-Men, the better.

Well, Illyana is supposed to be keeping secrets from the others at the start of the series--perhaps she'll pretend to be free of magic and Limbo for a while. She always did want nothing more than to be a normal girl. Or even a normal mutant girl.


I've almost talked myself into buying all the different covers for #1 (depending on whether they aren't unevenly distributed and thus ultra expensive). I feel dirty.

[Twisted Bliss]

Well, Illyana is supposed to be keeping secrets from the others at the start of the series--perhaps she'll pretend to be free of magic and Limbo for a while. She always did want nothing more than to be a normal girl. Or even a normal mutant girl.


I've almost talked myself into buying all the different covers for #1 (depending on whether they aren't unevenly distributed and thus ultra expensive). I feel dirty.

Different covers? Has anything been confirmed ?

[Deathstroke]

Different covers?

Oh gawd not that.

Look, I'm going to buy 1 copy of the book each month. Period.

Stop with all this variant cover crap.

Every variant cover is one less OTHER comic a person can buy.

[Darkchylde]

Different covers? Has anything been confirmed ?

If I'm not mistaken, at the New York ComicCon there were three covers for the new series - one drawn by Bob McLeod, another by Alex Ross (my personal favorite) and still another from Adam Kubert, which the X-editors hadn't shown because they felt the audience wasn't "ready for it" or something.

[Twisted Bliss]

If I'm not mistaken, at the New York ComicCon there were three covers for the new series - one drawn by Bob McLeod, another by Alex Ross (my personal favorite) and still another from Adam Kubert, which the X-editors hadn't shown because they felt the audience wasn't "ready for it" or something.

Oooo I'm ready for it !

(The covers too !)

[The Lucky One]

If I'm not mistaken, at the New York ComicCon there were three covers for the new series - one drawn by Bob McLeod, another by Alex Ross (my personal favorite) and still another from Adam Kubert, which the X-editors hadn't shown because they felt the audience wasn't "ready for it" or something.

The Alex Ross one has Doug and Warlock on it, so assuming it's not a super-rare variant or whatever, that's the one for me!

-D

[NielsVanEekelen]

The advance X-solicitations are up--there's 50/50 covers by Adam Kubert and Alex Ross, and looks like the Bob McLeod cover will be rare, so I dunno if I can get my hands on that one at a normal price.

Ooh, and there's a Marvel Spotlight: New Mutants!

I won't buy multiple covers each month either, but just for #1? Can't resist.