Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[Leirus]

The fact that she does not need to cover herself up does not mean she does not like to wear nice coats.

[Seresecros]

She should get a pet hamster.

[Pixie_Solanas]

I lurrrrv that scene.
Its so great. Good ol' Yana, putting things in perspective. ha ha. You think you've got problems? I grew up in Hell. Deal with it.
Admittedly I make a lot of allowances for the ups and downs of Illyana's personality during the 80's but I generally attribute these inconsistencies to "she's not in Limbo anymore" and thus....adapting. In this case, her body has adapted to being on Earth, and societal norms. Thus...she dons a coat. A cute coat no less. I loved that artist's rendering of Miss Rasputin too, with her adorable massive pony tail.:smile:

Frankly, Paul Smith did fashion like no one's business. He can draw a coat whenever he feels like drawing a coat. Leonard Kirk put Pixie in sunflower-appliqued jeans, so I'm a little skeptical of his "fashioning".

[Leirus]

She should get a pet hamster.

She already has. Did not you know that our comic is totally canon?

[Leirus]

Frankly, Paul Smith did fashion like no one's business. He can draw a coat whenever he feels like drawing a coat. Leonard Kirk put Pixie in sunflower-appliqued jeans, so I'm a little skeptical of his "fashioning".

That was not Leonard Kirk, he was merely referencing Scott(y) Young.

http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10006/blogNXM_design_Pixie.jpg

[Pixie_Solanas]

That was not Leonard Kirk, he was merely referencing Scott Young.

Skottie Young's Pixie has been shed like a preteen's braces-and-bad-hair awkward school photo is shed.

Kirk needs currency in his references.

[Leirus]

Skottie Young's Pixie has been shed like a preteen's braces-and-bad-hair awkward school photo is shed.

Kirk needs currency in his references.

Yup, he was even drawing Pixie "wings" as multicolored, when they lost their coulours when Yana shattered her soul. But at least he was trying...

[Seresecros]

She already has. Did not you know that our comic is totally canon?

I'm writing a 220-page "Hamster & Magik" graphic novel even as we speak!


Skottie Young's Pixie has been shed like a preteen's braces-and-bad-hair awkward school photo is shed.

Kirk needs currency in his references.

Sara Pichelli

[Pixie_Solanas]

Sara Pichelli

On point as usual, Seresecros.

[Leirus]

I'm writing a 220-page "Hamster & Magik" graphic novel even as we speak!

I may well have to leave my work and move to under a bridge...

[Silent Sigh]

However, does anybody else notice that no matter which version of Illyana (sans the de-aged version) we're given, she always seems to be awesome?


She is always awesome! Even her death was awesome :P

I became fan of the character when I read Uncanny X-Men 303, I didn't knew about her before that issue and I got intrigued.
Her return in Quest for Magik really made me happy.


I'm writing a 220-page "Hamster & Magik" graphic novel even as we speak!


I'm looking forward to it.

What's the name of the hamster? btw

[Pixie_Solanas]

Bu.However, does anybody else notice that no matter which version of Illyana (sans the de-aged version) we're given, she always seems to be awesome?
.

This has escaped me.

[sunofdarkchild]

But as you said, this is really the least of the character inconsistencies she's been through. However, does anybody else notice that no matter which version of Illyana (sans the de-aged version) we're given, she always seems to be awesome?

I love the alternate reality versions of Illyana where she is a villain because she can show off how awesome she is, like in that issue of Excalibur where she brushes aside Pheonix.

[244]

I have to be honest here and it may not be a popular opinion so here goes:

I wouldn't mind Pixie being the next ruler of Limbo just as long as Magik gets her humanity back and live a normal life.

[yanapryde]

I have to be honest here and it may not be a popular opinion so here goes:

I wouldn't mind Pixie being the next ruler of Limbo just as long as Magik gets her humanity back and live a normal life.

Its okay 244.
You're Illyana's biggest cheerleader for "normalcy"

[MetalWoman]

I have to be honest here and it may not be a popular opinion so here goes:

I wouldn't mind Pixie being the next ruler of Limbo just as long as Magik gets her humanity back and live a normal life.

Oh my God, STONE 244!!!!! :)

Kidding. I have to disagree. First, Pixie as dark and brooding just does not fit her personality. All the attempts to make her hardcore lately have just fallen flat for me.

Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back. (Which is why the story of her de-aging always fell flat for me. In my personal cannon her de-aged self was not really her, but a changeling pulling a cruel joke on the X-Men). Personally, I hope her current story ends with her realizing that getting the soul gems back will not magically make her whole. Her humanity has always been there, it was just suppressed under the weight of all her traumas.

Metal Woman

[Leirus]

Oh my God, STONE 244!!!!! :)

Kidding. I have to disagree. First, Pixie as dark and brooding just does not fit her personality. All the attempts to make her hardcore lately have just fallen flat for me.

Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back. (Which is why the story of her de-aging always fell flat for me. In my personal cannon her de-aged self was not really her, but a changeling pulling a cruel joke on the X-Men). Personally, I hope her current story ends with her realizing that getting the soul gems back will not magically make her whole. Her humanity has always been there, it was just suppressed under the weight of all her traumas.

Metal Woman

Well... getting the soulgems back would magically make her whole. What it will not do, is erase her past, or make her a different person. Just a bit more human, and able to relate to her fellow human beings more easily.

[Grendel0606]

Oh my God, STONE 244!!!!! :)


Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back. (Which is why the story of her de-aging always fell flat for me. In my personal cannon her de-aged self was not really her, but a changeling pulling a cruel joke on the X-Men). Personally, I hope her current story ends with her realizing that getting the soul gems back will not magically make her whole. Her humanity has always been there, it was just suppressed under the weight of all her traumas.

Metal Woman
I agree about the deaging being a copout. her story was always about how to manage living with her scars, not get a magical reset button.

[yanapryde]

Oh my God, STONE 244!!!!! :)

Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back.


Well... getting the soulgems back would magically make her whole. What it will not do, is erase her past, or make her a different person. Just a bit more human, and able to relate to her fellow human beings more easily.


I agree about the deaging being a copout. her story was always about how to manage living with her scars, not get a magical reset button.

Exactly.
Even if Poor Illyana is restored, chances are, with the 'added soul' or 'increase of humanity' or however you want to label it, she's going to be scarred for life.
She might even feel worse about all she's done, once she's 'restored'
Just sayin'.
Right now she has more of a "do what needs to be done" attitude but if and when she gets all her humanity back, she could wind up with some demonic post traumatic stress and be reeeeeeeeally boring to read about. ha ha

[sunofdarkchild]

I see where 244 is coming from. Illyana has always seemed like she needed a resolution.

When I read the original New Mutants run I felt that it was inevitable that Illyana would get a final resolution sooner or later. I just thought that it would involve Belasco and that it wouldn't be a "happy" ending like getting deaged. For I time I expected issue 100 to be the big rematch between Illyana and Belasco. It was disappointing that we had to wait until 2007 for it to happen.

Getting her soul back completely can't be the end of Illyana's issues with her dark side. It's still too soon since her return to get rid of such a defining aspect of her character. In some way it has to be the beginning of a new faze of her inner battle.

[yanapryde]

Getting her soul back completely can't be the end of Illyana's issues with her dark side. It's still too soon since her return to get rid of such a defining aspect of her character. In some way it has to be the beginning of a new faze of her inner battle.

As far as Illyana's restoration, I'd rather she keep a little bit of evil inside her.
Its part of her appeal.
Maybe they could just give her back MOST of her soul then.
You know. Since she's got that amulet and all and it has 5 bloodstone spaces available.... give her 4 /5ths of her soul back.

That way...244 is more or less appeased, and the rest of us can still enjoy the good vs. evil thing she's had going on for so long. And she can enjoy picnics more readily. Or whatever fully human girls do.:smile:

[244]

Its okay 244.
You're Illyana's biggest cheerleader for "normalcy"

Yanapryde, I don't know if I'm overthinking it but I feel you're being a bit rude towards me lately and I want you to please stop it, no offense.

[yanapryde]

Yanapryde, I don't know if I'm overthinking it but I feel you're being a bit rude towards me lately and I want you to please stop it, no offense.

Not my intention and I'm sorry if you've interpreted my postings as 'hostile'.

I meant the use of 'cheerleader' as a term of endearment (?)
All of us Magik fans are cheerleaders for her, in a way.
Wish she wont be de-aged again. Wishing she won't fall into obscurity, etc.

And you've been very vocal about your appreciation for her human side, as opposed to her 'less nice' aspects; rooting for her to be human, rooting for her to regain her innocence, disavowing her 'bad behavior' attributing it entirely to her 'dual nature'.

Sorry if my acknowledging those things made you feel attacked.

[Swashbuckler]

Feelings are being hurt in the Yana Yawn thread? How horrible!!

[yanapryde]

Feelings are being hurt in the Yana Yawn thread? How horrible!!

Ferals fat.

Respect.:smile:

[244]

Not my intention and I'm sorry if you've interpreted my postings as 'hostile'.

I meant the use of 'cheerleader' as a term of endearment (?)
All of us Magik fans are cheerleaders for her, in a way.
Wish she wont be de-aged again. Wishing she won't fall into obscurity, etc.

And you've been very vocal about your appreciation for her human side, as opposed to her 'less nice' aspects; rooting for her to be human, rooting for her to regain her innocence, disavowing her 'bad behavior' attributing it entirely to her 'dual nature'.

Sorry if my acknowledging those things made you feel attacked.

No no, I'm fine with acknowledging the character Magik's demonic aspects and I have to admit it makes her the more badass yet I feel it needs a resolution, but it was the way of your reply which I misinterpreted, and I'm sorry for misinterpreting you. After going through experiences of reading forum posts, one feels whether someone is either being mean spirited or joking and it just becomes like a jumble.

[Raeden]

Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back. (Which is why the story of her de-aging always fell flat for me. In my personal cannon her de-aged self was not really her, but a changeling pulling a cruel joke on the X-Men). Personally, I hope her current story ends with her realizing that getting the soul gems back will not magically make her whole. Her humanity has always been there, it was just suppressed under the weight of all her traumas.

Agreed. It would be incredibly silly for her to revert back to innocence, due to everything she's seen and done. Hell, I wouldn't call anybody in any of the X-men teams innocent. They've seen too much, done too much.

But, I'd prefer her to remain soul-corrupt. I think a better ending would be for her to just accept what she is. If it hadn't been done before, I'd say make her face something that gives her the opportunity to regain her whole soul, but the catch is she loses her sorcery, and the New Mutants plus Kitty Pryde and Colossus get into some sort of trouble and only her with her sorcery powers can save them. She then realises that being a sorcery wielding mutant isn't so bad, and she also realises that she her magic isn't actually restricted to Limbo, that that limitation was just a block she put on herself, in an attempt to stop the corruption.

I hope that makes sense. Studying engineering has sort of ruined my writing ability.

[yanapryde]

Agreed. It would be incredibly silly for her to revert back to innocence, due to everything she's seen and done. Hell, I wouldn't call anybody in any of the X-men teams innocent. They've seen too much, done too much.

But, I'd prefer her to remain soul-corrupt. I think a better ending would be for her to just accept what she is. If it hadn't been done before, I'd say make her face something that gives her the opportunity to regain her whole soul, but the catch is she loses her sorcery, and the New Mutants plus Kitty Pryde and Colossus get into some sort of trouble and only her with her sorcery powers can save them. She then realises that being a sorcery wielding mutant isn't so bad, and she also realises that she her magic isn't actually restricted to Limbo, that that limitation was just a block she put on herself, in an attempt to stop the corruption.

I hope that makes sense. Studying engineering has sort of ruined my writing ability.

Illyana went through something similar back in Xavier Institute days when she joined the Beyonder. He gave her a clean slate, but in the process of washing herself free of her Eldritch powers, those powers transferred over to Kitty and poor Illyana was forced to reclaim them to save her.
It was a good issue.:smile:

[Raeden]

Yeah, it was. As I said, would've made an awesome resolution if it hadn't been done already.

Now you've reminded me of when the New Mutants faced the Beyonder. That was a sad issue.
Remember when Illyana sacrificed herself for the rest of the team? How can she think she's evil after doing that? Seems like most of her problems just stem from low self-esteem.

[Ms.Lockheed]

I have to be honest here and it may not be a popular opinion so here goes:

I wouldn't mind Pixie being the next ruler of Limbo just as long as Magik gets her humanity back and live a normal life.


Oh my God, STONE 244!!!!! :)

Kidding. I have to disagree. First, Pixie as dark and brooding just does not fit her personality. All the attempts to make her hardcore lately have just fallen flat for me.

my first thought was to agree with Pixie being the new ruler of Limbo and add that she should be stuck in there and never come back:evilsmile:, but reading metalwoman's post made me re think it:
Yes Pixie should be the new ruler of Limbo, it would take the burden off Illyana's shoulders giving her a chance to heal. As far as i know Illyana will be linked to Limbo as long as she keep porting because that's her middleway stop to her final destination (sorry don't really know how to put it) but if Pixie rules Limbo and knowing that the girl sucks at being hardcore (agreeing with metalwoman) maybe limbo but turn into a nicer,more pink, less-demonic kind of place, making it easier for Illyana to be there and avoid temptation of letting her bad side overcome when she stops there (and maybe even make her want to get the hell out of there ASAP:wink:) it would still be magic there but that's another story ;)


Second, I hope Magik never returns to normacy. I always considered her story a tale of innocence lost, and once you loss your innocence you can never get it back. .

Agreed, but regaining her soul wouldn't hurt her :smile: she would still be a traumatized girl ( see X23)


Personally, I hope her current story ends with her realizing that getting the soul gems back will not magically make her whole. Her humanity has always been there, it was just suppressed under the weight of all her traumas.
Metal Woman

ok.I like it, but you mean humanity=soul? as her soul was always there?

EDIT: oh i feel so sad while I was editing this post someone came to my house to take one of my puppies I already miss him:frown:

[Raeden]

ok.I like it, but you mean humanity=soul? as her soul was always there?

It's more like having a whole soul does not make you innocent. Wolverine has a whole soul, correct? He is definitely not innocent.

The thing is, Illyana believes her missing "soul" is a bigger deal than it really is. She feels like she is evil, because her missing soul, but as shown in the comics, she really isn't. It is sort of like Rahne believing herself to be evil because she's a werewolf. I think Illyana's problems are more linked to the fact she was kidnapped and the horrors she had to go through whilst in Limbo. With or without a whole soul, that experience would still have a major impact upon who she is.

She's probably lulled herself into a false sense of hope by believing that if she gets all of her soul back, she'll be innocent once more. However, once she regains her soul, she'll realise that most of the evil "urges" weren't from the corruption, but from being human.

Much like Rahne blaming the wolf for everything.

[yanapryde]

It's more like having a whole soul does not make you innocent. Wolverine has a whole soul, correct? He is definitely not innocent.

The thing is, Illyana believes her missing "soul" is a bigger deal than it really is. She feels like she is evil, because her missing soul, but as shown in the comics, she really isn't. It is sort of like Rahne believing herself to be evil because she's a werewolf. I think Illyana's problems are more linked to the fact she was kidnapped and the horrors she had to go through whilst in Limbo. With or without a whole soul, that experience would still have a major impact upon who she is.

She's probably lulled herself into a false sense of hope by believing that if she gets all of her soul back, she'll be innocent once more. However, once she regains her soul, she'll realise that most of the evil "urges" weren't from the corruption, but from being human.

Much like Rahne blaming the wolf for everything.

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz350/kaktusic/X-Infernus_004_019.jpg?t=1278883744

Nightcrawler sums up much of how I feel about Illyana's lack of SOUL.

[MetalWoman]

It's more like having a whole soul does not make you innocent. Wolverine has a whole soul, correct? He is definitely not innocent.

The thing is, Illyana believes her missing "soul" is a bigger deal than it really is. She feels like she is evil, because her missing soul, but as shown in the comics, she really isn't. It is sort of like Rahne believing herself to be evil because she's a werewolf. I think Illyana's problems are more linked to the fact she was kidnapped and the horrors she had to go through whilst in Limbo. With or without a whole soul, that experience would still have a major impact upon who she is.

She's probably lulled herself into a false sense of hope by believing that if she gets all of her soul back, she'll be innocent once more. However, once she regains her soul, she'll realise that most of the evil "urges" weren't from the corruption, but from being human.

Much like Rahne blaming the wolf for everything.


Raeden sums up what I mean perfectly.

Metal Woman

[Raeden]

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz350/kaktusic/X-Infernus_004_019.jpg?t=1278883744

Nightcrawler sums up much of how I feel about Illyana's lack of SOUL.

I was actually thinking of this exact scene when I was writing my post, I just couldn't exactly remember it and couldn't be stuffed getting up to read that comic again.

But yes. I agree, mostly. I just dislike the suggestion that soul == good. I know he is basically saying what I said before, but I dislike the way he said it.

Still, he basically has the right idea.

[sunofdarkchild]

I was hoping that during the Hellbound mini there would be a revelation that Pixie wasn't missing any part of her soul and that the emptiness she felt came from denying the part of her that had become corrupted. So if she actually went through with killing Illyana she'd "gain her soul back" by embracing the darkness.

It would have explained the inconsistencies regarding the effects of the bloodstones and allowed for Illyana to stay partially corrupted even after getting her own soul back completely.

As it is I'm still confused as to how killing Illyana would get Pixie her soul back.

[Ms.Lockheed]

It's more like having a whole soul does not make you innocent. Wolverine has a whole soul, correct? He is definitely not innocent.

The thing is, Illyana believes her missing "soul" is a bigger deal than it really is. She feels like she is evil, because her missing soul, but as shown in the comics, she really isn't. It is sort of like Rahne believing herself to be evil because she's a werewolf. I think Illyana's problems are more linked to the fact she was kidnapped and the horrors she had to go through whilst in Limbo. With or without a whole soul, that experience would still have a major impact upon who she is.

She's probably lulled herself into a false sense of hope by believing that if she gets all of her soul back, she'll be innocent once more. However, once she regains her soul, she'll realise that most of the evil "urges" weren't from the corruption, but from being human.

Much like Rahne blaming the wolf for everything.


aww what a nice and poetic explanation!!! but I only asked what MetalWoman meant with humanity...I tried to say the same thing by mentioning X-23,failed miserably i guess:wink:


Raeden sums up what I mean perfectly.

Metal Woman

ok then now I get what you meant:biggrin:

yanapryde where did that scan came from?

[244]

She's probably lulled herself into a false sense of hope by believing that if she gets all of her soul back, she'll be innocent once more. However, once she regains her soul, she'll realise that most of the evil "urges" weren't from the corruption, but from being human.

Much like Rahne blaming the wolf for everything.

There was something like humanity has some dark urges and I suppose the demonic influences in Illyana that was planted by Belasco had probably heighten them, or maybe the demonic influences can be considered a metaphor for humanity's dark urges.

[yanapryde]

yanapryde where did that scan came from?

The final issue of X-Infernus?
Depicting the exploits of her glorious return to the X-Men?
And the loss of her medallion/bloodstones?

[244]

It's more like having a whole soul does not make you innocent. Wolverine has a whole soul, correct? He is definitely not innocent.


I think Illyana can be considered a different case because despite Wolverine, her soul was pure before being exposed to Limbo and that's why the Soulsword (being forged from the remains of her good soul) is powerful. From Quest for Magik, as Darkchilde, she chose Pixie for the bloodstones and the soulsword because Pixie soul was the most pure than any of the students that were abducted to limbo. Another thing to remember is 3/5th of her missing soul had been filled by black magic based from 80's Illyana (it wasn't that way from the Storm and Illyana Magik mini series but than again, Claremont's writing can be inconsistent at times which can sometimes be annoying).

[c.lei]

Another thing to remember is 3/5th of her missing soul had been filled by black magic based from 80's Illyana (it wasn't that way from the Storm and Illyana Magik mini series but than again, Claremont's writing can be inconsistent at times which can sometimes be annoying).

Oh yes it was. Go back and reread the Storm and Illyana Magik mini series again. All three of Illyana 's bloodstones were created in the mini series, thus 3/5 of her soul was already corrupted before she even joined the New Mutants.

The major problem with the post Claremont Illyana was one Louise Simonson and her crappy portrayal of the New Mutants, especially Sam,Dani and Illyana.

God knows what she would've done to Xi'an had she stuck around, but it would've most likely been worse than what she did to Magneto.

[Raeden]

Oh yes it was. Go back and reread the Storm and Illyana Magik mini series again. All three of Illyana 's bloodstones were created in the mini series, thus 3/5 of her soul was already corrupted before she even joined the New Mutants.

The major problem with the post Claremont Illyana was one Louise Simonson and her crappy portrayal of the New Mutants, especially Sam,Dani and Illyana.

God knows what she would've done to Xi'an had she stuck around, but it would've most likely been worse than what she did to Magneto.

Oh, god. I just starting reading Simonson's first issue of New Mutants and I already dislike it. Should I continue? I know #60 and the inferno event are supposed to be interesting, but her characterization of Illyana as terrible...

[244]

Oh yes it was. Go back and reread the Storm and Illyana Magik mini series again. All three of Illyana 's bloodstones were created in the mini series, thus 3/5 of her soul was already corrupted before she even joined the New Mutants.

Yeah, I know what you are referring to but from the Storm and Illyana mini series, it made it seem like each bloodstone represents a corrupted piece than each piece supposed to be a fragment of the good soul being stripped from an innocent victim. Thankfully, we prefer Kyle/Yost's explanation that each bloodstone represents a fragment of the good soul while the missing holes inside the victim is replaced with dark sorcery.



God knows what she would've done to Xi'an had she stuck around, but it would've most likely been worse than what she did to Magneto.

...... now I'm scared. :frown:



Oh, god. I just starting reading Simonson's first issue of New Mutants and I already dislike it. Should I continue? I know #60 and the inferno event are supposed to be interesting, but her characterization of Illyana as terrible...

I've pretty much outspoken against Illyana's character derailment. It happened that way after the Demon Bear saga (and completely out of the blue without explanation) and Louise Simmonson's version made it worst.

[Raeden]

She was clearly attacked by a headcrab shaped like her new hair style. It is the only logical explanation. Well, either that or demonic hair...

[c.lei]

I've pretty much outspoken against Illyana's character derailment. It happened that way after the Demon Bear saga (and completely out of the blue without explanation) and Louise Simmonson's version made it worst.

I don't think it was as bad at this point as you're making it out to be. I'll say Illyana had started to open up to the others more especially Dani and the others had started to become more accepting of who and what she had become.

I could see Dani and Illyana really start forming a bond after they got back from Asgard since they both now had a non-human aspect to who and what they were,and could relate to each other in ways the others couldn't.

[c.lei]

Oh, god. I just starting reading Simonson's first issue of New Mutants and I already dislike it. Should I continue? I know #60 and the inferno event are supposed to be interesting, but her characterization of Illyana as terrible...

It doesn't get any better, in fact it actually gets worse. In about 5 issues you won't even recognize the characters or the book anymore. Simonson had Sam poping pills for god's sake.

[c.lei]

Quote:
God knows what she would've done to Xi'an had she stuck around, but it would've most likely been worse than what she did to Magneto.


...... now I'm scared. :frown:


I still don't know who that purple-wearing guy was,but it sure wasn't Magneto....

[Ms.Lockheed]

The final issue of X-Infernus?
Depicting the exploits of her glorious return to the X-Men?
And the loss of her medallion/bloodstones?

Ouch. so seem so irritated by my humble question! I'm so left behind on Illyana's story (could'nt get over her death)that I felt that the right place to ask was where is appretiated and known the most:frown: :frown::frown:but thanks anyway for answering

[Silent Sigh]

I'm afraid we won't see Illyana in Age of X, I don't think Belasco kidnapped her in that reality, she is a 7 year old child of maybe she is dead there :(



Ouch. so seem so irritated by my humble question! I'm so left behind on Illyana's story (could'nt get over her death)that I felt that the right place to ask was where is appretiated and known the most:frown: :frown::frown:but thanks anyway for answering

Yo puedo orientarte si deseas sobre toooodo lo que quieras saber sobre Illyana :biggrin:

[244]

I'm afraid we won't see Illyana in Age of X, I don't think Belasco kidnapped her in that reality, she is a 7 year old child of maybe she is dead there :(

Hellion is in the front page of Age of X so i think the appropriate answer would be she's between 13-15.

[Ms.Lockheed]

uuuuuhhh orientacion sin limites y en castellano:wink::wink:gracias ya me siento mejor:smile:

[Darkchylde]

I'm afraid we won't see Illyana in Age of X, I don't think Belasco kidnapped her in that reality, she is a 7 year old child of maybe she is dead there :(




Yo puedo orientarte si deseas sobre toooodo lo que quieras saber sobre Illyana :biggrin:


This actually raises a good point about the upcoming Age of X timeline. As it is meant to be set in an alternate present that is not too far removed from the current 616 universe, can we assume what role, if any, Illyana will play? With Colossus on the team, can Illyana be far behind? Will she still be a child, untainted by Belasco? How does this explain the (possible) appearance of a demonic-winged Pixie in the preview art? Did history repeat itself in this universe and take a slightly bizarro turn, with Illyana corrupting more of Megan's soul? Was Pixie kidnapped by Belasco early on instead of Illyana? Does Pixie even have fairy wings in this universe, or has she mutated dragon/demon-like ones? So many questions; January needs to hurry up and get here!

[Leirus]

This actually raises a good point about the upcoming Age of X timeline. As it is meant to be set in an alternate present that is not too far removed from the current 616 universe, can we assume what role, if any, Illyana will play? With Colossus on the team, can Illyana be far behind? Will she still be a child, untainted by Belasco? How does this explain the (possible) appearance of a demonic-winged Pixie in the preview art? Did history repeat itself in this universe and take a slightly bizarro turn, with Illyana corrupting more of Megan's soul? Was Pixie kidnapped by Belasco early on instead of Illyana? Does Pixie even have fairy wings in this universe, or has she mutated dragon/demon-like ones? So many questions; January needs to hurry up and get here!

It is weird that ¨Pixie¨appears next to Colossus in the preview art. The characters seem to have been drawn next to other related characters; Cyclops with Cargill, Storm with Namor, Dazzler with Berzeker, and so on. So... who is this purple haired girl and what relationship does she have with Colossus, Pixie and Illyana?

[Darkchylde]

It is weird that ¨Pixie¨appears next to Colossus in the preview art. The characters seem to have been drawn next to other related characters; Cyclops with Cargill, Storm with Namor, Dazzler with Berzeker, and so on. So... who is this purple haired girl and what relationship does she have with Colossus, Pixie and Illyana?

I saw that image and immediately began speculating that Illyana and Pixie endured some Belasco/Limbo related nightmare and ultimately merged into a single mystical entity. Behold... Pixiyana!

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm fairly certain that the purple haired woman next to Colossus is Psylocke.

[sunofdarkchild]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1291395354.jpg

Is this the image that's been the subject of discussion? I was thinking of a different image where the characters were sort of paired. Now I see what you mean. If the girl with the wings (apparently her moniker is "Nightmare") has a connection to Colossus (whose appearance is also altered) then she can't be Pixie or Dragoness.

Could the Russians have performed some experiments on the Rasputin family?

[MetalWoman]

Is this the image that's been the subject of discussion? I was thinking of a different image where the characters were sort of paired. Now I see what you mean. If the girl with the wings (apparently her moniker is "Nightmare") has a connection to Colossus (whose appearance is also altered) then she can't be Pixie or Dragoness.

Could the Russians have performed some experiments on the Rasputin family?

Or Colossus's love for underaged girls transferred to Dark Pixie instead of Kitty Pryde in this reality:evilsmile:

Personally I hope that is Magik. Since her portal go to Limbo she easily could have still come into contact with Belosco.

Metal Woman

[NielsVanEekelen]

If it turns out that in this timeline, Illyana simply decided to dye her hair pink for no reason, I shall laugh so hard.

But I'm also up for a role for a younger Illyana, perhaps only just developing her powers.

[yanapryde]

If this Age of X business is an 'alternate present' as the most recent interview states, then Illyana would still be very young.
Unless of course, Miss Rasputin was abducted in THIS (age of X) "present" as well, then .... well she might have stayed in Limbo...or ...I have no idea why she would be pink and bat-winged.

The character looks really cool though.
Whether she is Yana or not.

[244]

If it turns out that in this timeline, Illyana simply decided to dye her hair pink for no reason, I shall laugh so hard.

But I'm also up for a role for a younger Illyana, perhaps only just developing her powers.

Since Hellion is in Age of X as being the same age as his main continuity counter part, wouldn't that make Illyana fourteen years old at least? I can see her being a year younger than Pixie.

[yanapryde]

The winged creature in question is Kitty.
She and Lockheed merged.


nah just jokes.

[Ms.Lockheed]

The winged creature in question is Kitty.
She and Lockheed merged.


nah just jokes.


that would be sooo cool:cool:

[NielsVanEekelen]

If this Age of X business is an 'alternate present' as the most recent interview states, then Illyana would still be very young.
Unless of course, Miss Rasputin was abducted in THIS (age of X) "present" as well, then .... well she might have stayed in Limbo...or ...I have no idea why she would be pink and bat-winged.

The character looks really cool though.
Whether she is Yana or not.

It's easy to overlook, as ageless as some characters come across, but quite a lot of time has passed since Li'l 'Yana died of the Legacy Virus. The timeline is flexible enough that writers have their options open, but enough years should have passed for her to manifest.

[Silent Sigh]

I think Illyana would be an eleven years old girl there.

Take a look at this amazing image :wink:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/magik_by_sonofdavinci.jpg

I like that costume!!

[yanapryde]

I think Illyana would be an eleven years old girl there.

Take a look at this amazing image :wink:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/magik_by_sonofdavinci.jpg

I like that costume!!

That illustration is EPIC! I love it so much!!!

And hey Yana fans...check it out!!! I just order the Magik / Warlock 2 pack AND the New Mutants 4 pack (with Sam, Xi'an, Rahne and Roberto) off Amazon!

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/13956d1290433332-marvel-minimates-tru-series-9-magik_warlockback.jpg

[yanapryde]

http://www.thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/IMG_0251__scaled_600.jpg

[xgirl]

If it turns out that in this timeline, Illyana simply decided to dye her hair pink for no reason, I shall laugh so hard.

But I'm also up for a role for a younger Illyana, perhaps only just developing her powers.

lol yeah that would be funny.

[Ex_]

http://www.thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/IMG_0251__scaled_600.jpg
I WANT those toys!

[Raeden]

http://www.thefanboyseo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/IMG_0251__scaled_600.jpg

Is that Doug's head next to Warlock?

[yanapryde]

Is that Doug's head next to Warlock?

Yes.
Warlock comes with an alternate head--Doug's head.
Magik comes with her soulsword and a stepping disc.
Cannonball comes with his blasting base
Sunspot and Wolfsbane come with alternate bodies--wolf-form and kirby dots
Xi'an...I don't think she comes with anything. I don't know yet.
They've not arrived yet. Next week I hope.

[Silent Sigh]

OMG!

I want that Magik!!

Awww, I want those Warlock and Shatterstar too.

[Ex_]

Why would I buy something that doesn't include Moonstar?

[chromatic]

OMG! Now i want them all! So cute!

EDIT: It would be nice if Sam has legs as well, and if only Shatterstar had a short hair head and alt uniform!

Magik looks great!

[244]

Would Marjorie Liu be a perfect writer for Illyana Rasputin maybe for future comics? I feel her portrayal of X-23 and Storm were dead on.

[yanapryde]

Why would I buy something that doesn't include Moonstar?
Yea, its a shame that they chose to exclude Dani and Amara, simply to be able to collect ALL of them.
Still..I'll be getting the ones they DID make.


OMG! Now i want them all! So cute!

EDIT: It would be nice if Sam has legs as well, and if only Shatterstar had a short hair head and alt uniform!

Magik looks great!

Sam comes with legs.
Regular legs, 'blast' legs and a blasting base to elevate him off the ground.

[chromatic]

Sam comes with legs.
Regular legs, 'blast' legs and a blasting base to elevate him off the ground.

<3 that's perfect!

[NielsVanEekelen]

That illustration is EPIC! I love it so much!!!

And hey Yana fans...check it out!!! I just order the Magik / Warlock 2 pack AND the New Mutants 4 pack (with Sam, Xi'an, Rahne and Roberto) off Amazon!

http://www.figures.com/forums/attachments/news/13956d1290433332-marvel-minimates-tru-series-9-magik_warlockback.jpg

By the White Wolf! Why did I not know of these!?

Must have!



Would Marjorie Liu be a perfect writer for Illyana Rasputin maybe for future comics? I feel her portrayal of X-23 and Storm were dead on.

You know, she just might be. The first few issues of X-23 have really warmed me towards Liu. Excellent suggestion.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Important Message

* Marvel Minimates New Mutants Magik & Warlock cannot be shipped to the selected address.

Noooo! A thousand curses upon Amazon.frakking.com!
:frown:

[chromatic]

Noooo! A thousand curses upon Amazon.frakking.com!
:frown:

uhhh that's sad, hope you find another online site that has it and ships to you.

here's a cute Magik sketch i fell upon on the web:

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbjc721Umm1qe6xkho1_500.png

[NielsVanEekelen]

uhhh that's sad, hope you find another online site that has it and ships to you.

here's a cute Magik sketch i fell upon on the web:

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbjc721Umm1qe6xkho1_500.png

Looks like they're brand new, so I'll keep my fingers crossed some start showing up (and shipping internationally) on eBay soon.

And thank you, Chibi Illyana alleviates my suffering. :biggrin:

[yanapryde]

the Illyana and Warlock 2 pack cost me $30 on Amazon.

The New Mutants 4 pack with Sam, 'Berto, Xi'an and Rahne was $20

I guess that settles who is the most valued.:redface:

[sunofdarkchild]

http://http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201103/XMEN246_col.jpg

Who is that supposed to be on the far left? It's not Magik, is it?

And its a little annoying that the New Mutants are on the cover of X Men Legacy but not of their own issue. Then again, lately the covers have had nothing to do with the actual content of the issues. I'm afraid that they'll end up as guest stars in their own comic or worse again.

Edit: The image isn't showing up even though I've tried from multiple sites. It's the cover to X Men Legacy 246.

[244]

http://http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201103/XMEN246_col.jpg

Who is that supposed to be on the far left? It's not Magik, is it?

And its a little annoying that the New Mutants are on the cover of X Men Legacy but not of their own issue. Then again, lately the covers have had nothing to do with the actual content of the issues. I'm afraid that they'll end up as guest stars in their own comic or worse again.

Edit: The image isn't showing up even though I've tried from multiple sites. It's the cover to X Men Legacy 246.

Is it this image?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8_3tUa7L5mA/TRmKSKY-3NI/AAAAAAAAApY/D5zlN4uzWGg/s1600/Age+of+X.jpg

The woman in question, from what I heard, it's Kitty Pryde (although I'm still no sure but that's what I heard).

[sunofdarkchild]

The image I was talking about is here.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201103/XMEN246_col.jpg

I'm still under the impression that the pink haired girl with the two knives is Psylocke.

[244]

The image I was talking about is here.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=solicits/marvelcomics/201103/XMEN246_col.jpg

Oh, okay. The blond woman looks like Magma to me because of the flames. If Age of X is an alternate timeline as if there was no X-men team, I would assume Illyana still living in Russia being barely fourteen years old.



I'm still under the impression that the pink haired girl with the two knives is Psylocke.

If there was any confirmation about it, people said it's the british version of Psylocke.

[sunofdarkchild]

I know that the one in the middle with the flames is Magma. I'm asking about the one on the left in the hood and cape with sand(?) in her hand.

And Magma looks like she's flying again.

[244]

I know that the one in the middle with the flames is Magma. I'm asking about the one on the left in the hood and cape with sand(?) in her hand.

I guess the obvious answer is Dust (I heard some comments saying that she's out of place being with the New Mutants but I can't complain about it).



And Magma looks like she's flying again.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense because she needs earth for her mutant power. I wish some writers would not see her as a female Human Torch but more as a mutant with powers of molten rock.

[xgirl]

I guess the obvious answer is Dust (I heard some comments saying that she's out of place being with the New Mutants but I can't complain about it).




Yeah, that doesn't make any sense because she needs earth for her mutant power. I wish some writers would not see her as a female Human Torch but more as a mutant with powers of molten rock.

agreed on both points.

[Silent Sigh]

Illyana appears in the last X-Men to Serve and Protect.

She is teleporting Anole and Rockslide outside Utopia.

And she doesn't care, people. And she is hot.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/X-Men-PS02-007.jpg

She has a dream catcher and a skull with a candle :biggrin:

I think Yost really like the character, I like the way he writes her. There's always consistency.

Actually, thanks to him and Kyle we have Illyana in the comic books again <3

[Ms.Lockheed]

Illyana appears in the last X-Men to Serve and Protect.

She is teleporting Anole and Rockslide outside Utopia.

And she doesn't care, people. And she is hot.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/X-Men-PS02-007.jpg

She has a dream catcher and a skull with a candle:biggrin:



who is the weirdo liking the goat legs?Rockslide?
i wonder what is Illyana doing with that laptop?old Illyana would be looking for playgirl online ;) and who is that imposter taking the Bamf doll's place?!he is cute though, he has a lil cape:biggrin:

[Silent Sigh]

who is the weirdo liking the goat legs?Rockslide?
i wonder what is Illyana doing with that laptop?old Illyana would be looking for playgirl online ;) and who is that imposter taking the Bamf doll's place?!he is cute though, he has a lil cape:biggrin:

Yeah, that's Rockslide.

Illyana doesn't care about Bamf either, lol

[244]

and who is that imposter taking the Bamf doll's place?!he is cute though, he has a lil cape:biggrin:

Looks like a Belasco doll (that's how a guy I know from comicvine said).

[witchboy]

That does look like a Belasco doll, how cute and weird!

[244]

That does look like a Belasco doll, how cute and weird!

Yeah, considering that she hates him and was responsible for destroyng her childhood. It's weird why she has that doll but then again, it's just an artist's take.

[Darkchylde]

I read somewhere that Illyana was mentioned/discussed in the latest Wolverine, in his sojourn into Hell. Does anyone know what context, if any, Illyana was talked about?

[pariah-1972]

I read somewhere that Illyana was mentioned/discussed in the latest Wolverine, in his sojourn into Hell. Does anyone know what context, if any, Illyana was talked about?I don't recall that...

[Ms.Lockheed]

I read somewhere that Illyana was mentioned/discussed in the latest Wolverine, in his sojourn into Hell. Does anyone know what context, if any, Illyana was talked about?

If you mean wolverine 4, then this is where she is 'mentioned':wink:

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k607/Ms_lockheed/stuff/Wolverine_004_014.jpg

Hellverine: After I've killed you, I'm going to lay with your sister on a bed of your viscera (..)
hehehe Hellverine is funny:biggrin::biggrin:

[Silent Sigh]

Looks like a Belasco doll (that's how a guy I know from comicvine said).

Belasco?

But that doll has both hands :P
I thins it's just a generic demon.

Last time I saw Bamf was in Jubilee's hands.


I read somewhere that Illyana was mentioned/discussed in the latest Wolverine, in his sojourn into Hell. Does anyone know what context, if any, Illyana was talked about?



http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k607/Ms_lockheed/stuff/Wolverine_004_014.jpg


Yeah, exactly that page, for me it was one important moment because it was the first time someone said Illyana's name in front of Kitty.

Actually, I posted this in other thread :biggrin:

In Wolverine's last issue, when Hellverine talked about Illyana, I would loved to see this:

Kitty: Wait, Illyana is here????

Piotr: mmm... da.

Kitty: Why didn't you tell me? You know we are BFFs.

Piotr: I... don't know By the way, Kurt is dead.

I'm begging for interaction between Kitty and Yana.

Illyana's soulsword could have fix Wolverine in that issue, btw.

[Darkchylde]

If you mean wolverine 4, then this is where she is 'mentioned':wink:

http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k607/Ms_lockheed/stuff/Wolverine_004_014.jpg

Hellverine: After I've killed you, I'm going to lay with your sister on a bed of your viscera (..)
hehehe Hellverine is funny:biggrin::biggrin:


Taunting Piotr about laying down with Illyana over a bed of Colossus' innards? Talk about sadistic, Hellverine!

(The funny thing is, I could totally see the Darkchilde screwing a demonically-enhanced Logan while atop her dead brother's corpse; she's that twisted!)

Although now my mind is now a-flutter at the possibilities of a Magik/Wolverine smackdown. Obviously, Wolverine is the better hand-to-hand combatant, and has those damnable claws and convenient healing factor, but I think Illyana, with her Soulsword, stepping discs and magicks, could probably pull a surprising upset. Plus, her Darkchilde persona is savage enough to keep fighting until the bitter, bloody end.

[Silent Sigh]

Taunting Piotr about laying down with Illyana over a bed of Colossus' innards? Talk about sadistic, Hellverine!

(The funny thing is, I could totally see the Darkchilde screwing a demonically-enhanced Logan while atop her dead brother's corpse; she's that twisted!)

Although now my mind is now a-flutter at the possibilities of a Magik/Wolverine smackdown. Obviously, Wolverine is the better hand-to-hand combatant and has that damnable healing factor, but Illyana, with her Soulsword, stepping discs and magicks, could probably pull a surprising upset. Plus, her Darkchilde persona is savage enough to keep fighting until the bitter, bloody end.

And her armor!! Yeah!

She should be part of X-Force too.

[244]

Belasco?

But that doll has both hands :P
I thins it's just a generic demon.

Yeah, you have a point there.



Taunting Piotr about laying down with Illyana over a bed of Colossus' innards? Talk about sadistic, Hellverine!

(The funny thing is, I could totally see the Darkchilde screwing a demonically-enhanced Logan while atop her dead brother's corpse; she's that twisted!)

I am feeling uncomfortable about the idea of Magik getting banged by Wolverine to be honest, but wouldn't it remind her of the child abuse she endured in limbo by demons?

[Raeden]

I'm begging for interaction between Kitty and Yana.

Illyana's soulsword could have fix Wolverine in that issue, btw.


Although now my mind is now a-flutter at the possibilities of a Magik/Wolverine smackdown. Obviously, Wolverine is the better hand-to-hand combatant, and has those damnable claws and convenient healing factor, but I think Illyana, with her Soulsword, stepping discs and magicks, could probably pull a surprising upset. Plus, her Darkchilde persona is savage enough to keep fighting until the bitter, bloody end.


She should be part of X-Force too.

I agree with all of that. Especially with the interaction thing.

May I request that when the (hopefully) inevitable occasion occurs that somebody will inform me by posting in this thread? I don't actually buy comic books, just the trade paper backs, but I would definitely buy whatever issue that occurs in.

[RoguefanAM]

Anyone else wish that Illyana would go after Kitty? lol, having your little sister steal your girlfriend. Poor Piotr. :biggrin:

[yanapryde]

Anyone else wish that Illyana would go after Kitty? lol, having your little sister steal your girlfriend. Poor Piotr. :biggrin:

Pass.




10 char.

[Raeden]

Anyone else wish that Illyana would go after Kitty? lol, having your little sister steal your girlfriend. Poor Piotr. :biggrin:

It has already been stated that Kitty doesn't swing that way. If Illyana was to "go after her" it'd make their whole friendship awkward and ruin the whole innocence of the "soul sisters" ideology.

Adding lust into the equation would detriment the whole feel of their relationship.

[yanapryde]

It has already been stated that Kitty doesn't swing that way. If Illyana was to "go after her" it'd make their whole friendship awkward and ruin the whole innocence of the "soul sisters" ideology.

Adding lust into the equation would detriment the whole feel of their relationship.

Thank you Raeden.
My sentiments exactly.
They're like sisters.
Not scissor sisters.

[Raeden]

They're like sisters.
Not scissor sisters.

That, right there, made my day.

[RoguefanAM]

It has already been stated that Kitty doesn't swing that way. If Illyana was to "go after her" it'd make their whole friendship awkward and ruin the whole innocence of the "soul sisters" ideology.

Adding lust into the equation would detriment the whole feel of their relationship.

Where is that picture of Kitty and Saturnyne when I need it...

I'm not totally convinced she straight. Not only has she had really close, intimate relationships with various women, but Shan developed a crush on her. Maybe Shan's gaydar is broken, but I think she was onto something. Then again, Claremont makes everyone bi-curious. Honestly, if it was revealed that Kitty wasn't totally opposed to female relationships, I wouldn't be surprised.

As far as "ruining" the relationship they have. Eh, I get where your coming from. There are definitely friendships in the X-men that I'd prefer stayed friendships, but I like the idea of Illyana crushing on her more.

[sunofdarkchild]

Just how many minority groups do you want Kitty to be a part of?

[yanapryde]

Where is that picture of Kitty and Saturnyne when I need it...

I'm not totally convinced she straight. Not only has she had really close, intimate relationships with various women, but Shan developed a crush on her. Maybe Shan's gaydar is broken, but I think she was onto something. Then again, Claremont makes everyone bi-curious. Honestly, if it was revealed that Kitty wasn't totally opposed to female relationships, I wouldn't be surprised.

As far as "ruining" the relationship they have. Eh, I get where your coming from. There are definitely friendships in the X-men that I'd prefer stayed friendships, but I like the idea of Illyana crushing on her more.

Ooooh I think the argument isn't about where Kitty's romantic interests lie, so much as where Illyana's do.
Kitty's.....debatable.

Aside from her unique connection to Kitty, Illyana hasn't shown any "closer than friendship" tendancies toward the female population.

[RoguefanAM]

Just how many minority groups do you want Kitty to be a part of?

The more the merrier?


Ooooh I think the argument isn't about where Kitty's romantic interests lie, so much as where Illyana's do.
Kitty's.....debatable.

Aside from her unique connection to Kitty, Illyana hasn't shown any "closer than friendship" tendancies toward the female population.

She hasn't shown anything for males either right? At least, I don't remember anything significant. :confused:

[Raeden]

Where is that picture of Kitty and Saturnyne when I need it...

That scene was so creepy that I chose to forget about it. Why did she suck the icing off of her finger?! Seriously, what the hell?

And now you've reminded me of it. You monster! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! =P


I'm not totally convinced she straight. Not only has she had really close, intimate relationships with various women, but Shan developed a crush on her. Maybe Shan's gaydar is broken, but I think she was onto something. Then again, Claremont makes everyone bi-curious. Honestly, if it was revealed that Kitty wasn't totally opposed to female relationships, I wouldn't be surprised.

All I am going on is that scene in NM vol. 2 where Shan says that Kitty "wasn't sure she goes that way".

Ok, so that isn't solid evidence about her being straight. There is a chance that she just didn't like Shan.


As far as "ruining" the relationship they have. Eh, I get where your coming from. There are definitely friendships in the X-men that I'd prefer stayed friendships, but I like the idea of Illyana crushing on her more.

Meh. Crushes are pretty much a dime a dozen. Friendships like that are incredibly rare. Seems a bit more interesting.

To be fair though, the whole Illyana crushing on Kitty is believable, from what I've read in the comics. But, I still prefer just the straight friendship deal.

[RoguefanAM]

That scene was so creepy that I chose to forget about it. Why did she suck the icing off of her finger?! Seriously, what the hell?

And now you've reminded me of it. You monster! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! =P

It's Claremont. Inappropriate and unexpected lesbianism is his middle name.


All I am going on is that scene in NM vol. 2 where Shan says that Kitty "wasn't sure she goes that way".

Ok, so that isn't solid evidence about her being straight. There is a chance that she just didn't like Shan.

Yeah, like I said, it's that and everyone Claremont put her up with.


Meh. Crushes are pretty much a dime a dozen. Friendships like that are incredibly rare. Seems a bit more interesting.

To be fair though, the whole Illyana crushing on Kitty is believable, from what I've read in the comics. But, I still prefer just the straight friendship deal.

There aren't that many same sex female relationships in the X-men though, and definitely more female friendships. Few as strong as Kitty and Illyana's, though, I'll admit.

Fair enough. I was just curious to see if anyone else liked the idea. Guess not. :tongue:

[sunofdarkchild]

She hasn't shown anything for males either right? At least, I don't remember anything significant. :confused:

She's called Sunspot "cute," "cutey," "handsome," and "yummy," flirted with Empath, and when Amara switched schools to the Massachusetts Academy wanted some of their boys to switch to Xaviers.

This lead to the only good Bird Brain moment, when Rahne told Dani and Illyana that they should be happy about Bird Brain because "he's a boy."

[yanapryde]

She's called Sunspot "cute," "cutey," "handsome," and "yummy," flirted with Empath, and when Amara switched schools to the Massachusetts Academy wanted some of their boys to switch to Xaviers.

This lead to the only good Bird Brain moment, when Rahne told Dani and Illyana that they should be happy about Bird Brain because "he's a boy."

Yep.
'Yana's had a number of moments depicting her interest in boys.
Rival school's student body (Hellions)
Two of her own teammates (Sam and 'Berto)
Townies (boys at a school dance)

[RoguefanAM]

She's called Sunspot "cute," "cutey," "handsome," and "yummy," flirted with Empath, and when Amara switched schools to the Massachusetts Academy wanted some of their boys to switch to Xaviers.

This lead to the only good Bird Brain moment, when Rahne told Dani and Illyana that they should be happy about Bird Brain because "he's a boy."

Yeah, I remember some of her comments toward Roberto and other boys. But I meant like serious attempts at a relationship or crushes.

[sunofdarkchild]

You're right that she's never had a serious reelationship with anyone, but that seems more easily explained by the 800 pound elephant in the room, the whole evil Darkchylde thing, than by her swinging the other way. I think that the only thing that kept her from hooking up with Sunspot was the fact that he never got over his fear of her.

[yanapryde]

You're right that she's never had a serious reelationship with anyone, but that seems more easily explained by the 800 pound elephant in the room, the whole evil Darkchylde thing, than by her swinging the other way. I think that the only thing that kept her from hooking up with Sunspot was the fact that he never got over his fear of her.

Yes.
Exactly.

All Elaphants are grey.
But not all grey things are Elaphants.

Or something. :smile:

[RoguefanAM]

You're right that she's never had a serious reelationship with anyone, but that seems more easily explained by the 800 pound elephant in the room, the whole evil Darkchylde thing, than by her swinging the other way. I think that the only thing that kept her from hooking up with Sunspot was the fact that he never got over his fear of her.

I agree that Magicks portrayal as the loose canon of the group and the fact that her teammates kind of feared her was what limited her relationships with boys. I'm just saying that since she never had any real relationships with a guy, it'd a lot easier to have her enter a same sex relationship with a girl --- if anyone was actually interested in that.

[yanapryde]

I wouldn't mind seeing Illyana address SOME kind of romantic interest, whether it leads to fruition or not.

But I'd prefer it after she regain some of her soul.

[sunofdarkchild]

I've said in the past that I think that Illyana is meant to be alone, as long as she has her soul problems, but that doesn't mean she can't have feelings for someone. It could be a very interesting and sad story to see her struggling with whether or not to pursue a relationship and considering the possible consequences. Or to see her experimenting with romance like Seven of Nine did on Voyager, though that would have worked better in the original New Mutants run.

Come to think of it, Illyana has a lot of parallels to Seven of Nine.

[yanapryde]

I've said in the past that I think that Illyana is meant to be alone, as long as she has her soul problems, but that doesn't mean she can't have feelings for someone. It could be a very interesting and sad story to see her struggling with whether or not to pursue a relationship and considering the possible consequences. Or to see her experimenting with romance like Seven of Nine did on Voyager, though that would have worked better in the original New Mutants run.

Come to think of it, Illyana has a lot of parallels to Seven of Nine.

I will now educate myself on Seven of Nine, courtesy of Wikipedia.
Thank you sunofadarkchild.

[Silent Sigh]

I agree with all of that. Especially with the interaction thing.

May I request that when the (hopefully) inevitable occasion occurs that somebody will inform me by posting in this thread? I don't actually buy comic books, just the trade paper backs, but I would definitely buy whatever issue that occurs in.

Of course, I personally will let you know if finally they show that in any comic book :biggrin: anything for others yana-fans.

I loved when she was one of the servants of Nightmare in Doctor Vodoo's series, for example. I'm always looking for any appearance of her.


Anyone else wish that Illyana would go after Kitty? lol, having your little sister steal your girlfriend. Poor Piotr. :biggrin:


I wouldn't mind seeing Illyana address SOME kind of romantic interest, whether it leads to fruition or not.

But I'd prefer it after she regain some of her soul.

Yeah, she should fnd her soul first, and then she could find love, I don't see her with Kitty in that way.

Who could be a good choice for her?

I Think someone normal or someone extraordinary.

A human who shows her what life is, or someone like Daemon Hellstrom or Wiccan (if he weren't gay), Danny Ketch, I don't know.

[244]

I've said in the past that I think that Illyana is meant to be alone, as long as she has her soul problems, but that doesn't mean she can't have feelings for someone. It could be a very interesting and sad story to see her struggling with whether or not to pursue a relationship and considering the possible consequences. Or to see her experimenting with romance like Seven of Nine did on Voyager, though that would have worked better in the original New Mutants run.

Come to think of it, Illyana has a lot of parallels to Seven of Nine.

I can picture a soul restored Illyana (which is an IF) as a hopeless romantic if she has taken an interest in romance because she has no experience in it. She reminds me of Laurie Collins (aka Wallflower) minus the evil demon part.

[sunofdarkchild]

It would have been cute for there to have been scenes where Kitty gave Illyana relationship advice. Of course Illyana would have had to at least sought a relationship with someone for that to happen.

[Raeden]

Of course, I personally will let you know if finally they show that in any comic book :biggrin: anything for others yana-fans.

You, sir, are awesome.


I can picture a soul restored Illyana (which is an IF) as a hopeless romantic if she has taken an interest in romance because she has no experience in it. She reminds me of Laurie Collins (aka Wallflower) minus the evil demon part.

I can't. I think she'd still be wary of letting people in, even a potential love interest. I think she would distance herself, due to all she has been through...

It would be interesting to see her in a relationship though.

[244]

It would have been cute for there to have been scenes where Kitty gave Illyana relationship advice. Of course Illyana would have had to at least sought a relationship with someone for that to happen.

It may be doubtful if Magik does want a romantic relationship because if he or she said they love her, it may translate as they want to hurt her. Belasco had said he "loves" her from Uncanny X-men #160 and promised her a glorious future but instead, it was nothing but pain, torture, and trauma.



I can't. I think she'd still be wary of letting people in, even a potential love interest. I think she would distance herself, due to all she has been through...

Yeah, I agree with that, but what I'm saying is something as like what if she start having an interest in romance, something like a "what if", although to be honest, I'm not crazy about the idea of her having a love interest or anything potential especially if it's with a man, but I'm fine if she turns out to be a lesbian.

[sunofdarkchild]

In X Men Unlimited 37 an alternate version of Illyana showed up looking for her son Hutch. I never read it, so I don't know what Hutch looked like. Could someone scan a picture of Hutch? I'm now curious as to who his father was and knowing what he looked like could help.

[244]

In X Men Unlimited 37 an alternate version of Illyana showed up looking for her son Hutch. I never read it, so I don't know what Hutch looked like. Could someone scan a picture of Hutch? I'm now curious as to who his father was and knowing what he looked like could help.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3016/130047-101124-hutch.jpg

Either Sam or Doug may be the father or anybody from any X-men related team.

[sunofdarkchild]

Blonde hair is pretty unusual in the Rasputin family(Illyana is the only blonde Rasputin I know off the top of my head, including her brothers, parents, and empire crushing anscestor), so if Hutch is blonde his father is likely blonde.

And given that Hutch was born between dimensions and not at the mansion or in a hospital I'd say something serious was happening at the time; people don't just teleport when their in labor. I suppose the father could have died in whatever situation caused such an unusual birth, explaining his complete absence.

The male with blonde hair most likely to die in a crisis is Doug Ramsey, so I'll say he was the father.

[244]

Blonde hair is pretty unusual in the Rasputin family(Illyana is the only blonde Rasputin I know off the top of my head, including her brothers, parents, and empire crushing anscestor), so if Hutch is blonde his father is likely blonde.

Magik's great grandmother Elena is a blonde herself so I'll say it's hereditary.

[Silent Sigh]

You, sir, are awesome.


aww, Thanks :biggrin:


In X Men Unlimited 37 an alternate version of Illyana showed up looking for her son Hutch. I never read it, so I don't know what Hutch looked like. Could someone scan a picture of Hutch? I'm now curious as to who his father was and knowing what he looked like could help.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???????

I need to see that comic :frown:

I'm going to do some research.

[sunofdarkchild]

Hm. Looks like 2 Illyanas in the same place. One bringing the X Men and the other riding a large flying demon into battle alone against the Elder Gods. The latter probably goes back in time to the Legion fight. Time loop.

[chromatic]

Hutch reminds me a bit of the little prince.


http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/55549/1115478-3_super.jpg

His story was very touching. He was born between all realities, so each reality had equal claim to him.

This being said, should he stay in just one reality all realities would merge together and it would bring about the end of existence.

He chose to stay alone forever instead of reuniting with his mother and putting existence at risk of doom.

[Darkchylde]

Hm. Looks like 2 Illyanas in the same place. One bringing the X Men and the other riding a large flying demon into battle alone against the Elder Gods. The latter probably goes back in time to the Legion fight. Time loop.

I hadn't noticed until you pointed that out. Good catch.

Man, I really hope Illyana makes it out of this story alive.

[sunofdarkchild]

My big question is whether or not they'd show Sunspo't's death as a preview page. Unless Magma takes the bullet for him he's going to die. It would be tragic, inadvertantly causing the death he was trying to avoid.

Illyana isn't going to get involved with them unless her past self is in danger. It seems to me that Illyana is trying not to alter the timeline despite what she said about it having already changed.

I like the nods to continuity. Past Illyana is riding the same demon she was with when she witnessed the Elders Gods attack in issue #9 while a number of demons are aiming arrows at her; she had three arrows in her when she showed up from the future in issue #1.

[chromatic]

I like the nods to continuity. Past Illyana is riding the same demon she was with when she witnessed the Elders Gods attack in issue #9 while a number of demons are aiming arrows at her; she had three arrows in her when she showed up from the future in issue #1.

Great catch on all of this, I have to look back at those issues again. I hope this issue ties everything together nicely, it's going to be epic.

It might be naive of me, but I'm still hoping everyone will make it out OK.

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My big question is whether or not they'd show Sunspo't's death as a preview page. Unless Magma takes the bullet for him he's going to die.

Probably Legion will make a dramatic entrance and prevent his death.

[sunofdarkchild]

Wells all but admitted that there will be at least one death of someone on the team. I could see Sunspot, Magma, or both of them dying based on what we know so far.

I don't think that Illyana is going to die again, but it seems likely that she won't remain on the team. She's lied and manipulated, probably indirectly causing someone to die, so it will adversely affect the ability of the X Men and New Mutants to trust her. She only came back to deal with this situation and may well decide to leave again once its resolved. Unless she gets her full humanity back at the end of the next issue I don't see her sticking around.

Didn't someone say a while back that one of the New Mutants would become more important to the greater Marvel Universe this year?

[Raeden]

Found this on DeviantArt. Awesome, no?

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs51/f/2009/297/4/4/Kitty_Pryde_and_Magik_hangin___by_ComfortLove.jpg

Picture from: http://comfortlove.deviantart.com/art/Kitty-Pryde-and-Magik-hangin-141339416

[Darkchylde]

Wells all but admitted that there will be at least one death of someone on the team. I could see Sunspot, Magma, or both of them dying based on what we know so far.

I don't think that Illyana is going to die again, but it seems likely that she won't remain on the team. She's lied and manipulated, probably indirectly causing someone to die, so it will adversely affect the ability of the X Men and New Mutants to trust her. She only came back to deal with this situation and may well decide to leave again once its resolved. Unless she gets her full humanity back at the end of the next issue I don't see her sticking around.

Didn't someone say a while back that one of the New Mutants would become more important to the greater Marvel Universe this year?

The allusion was made by one of the X-editors (Nick Lowe or Axel Alonso) in one of CBR's weekly X-Positions. In the interview, it was mentioned that one of the New Mutants would have a larger role this year not just in the X-Men, but within the greater Marvel Universe, which led many to speculate that the New Mutant in question might be Illyana (other candidates included Danielle and Warlock).

It makes sense that Illyana's role might be expanded; her powers and personality make her well-suited for a larger role outside the X-Men. Personally, I'd love for that to happen, but I'll have to wait and see how the conclusion of "Rise of the New Mutants" plays out before I get excited for Illyana's prospects.

[MetalWoman]

The allusion was made by one of the X-editors (Nick Lowe or Axel Alonso) in one of CBR's weekly X-Positions. In the interview, it was mentioned that one of the New Mutants would have a larger role this year not just in the X-Men, but within the greater Marvel Universe, which led many to speculate that the New Mutant in question might be Illyana (other candidates included Danielle and Warlock).

It makes sense that Illyana's role might be expanded; her powers and personality make her well-suited for a larger role outside the X-Men. Personally, I'd love for that to happen, but I'll have to wait and see how the conclusion of "Rise of the New Mutants" plays out before I get excited for Illyana's prospects.

Given the event Fear Its Self, I imagine Dani is going to be the one with the bigger role. Considering her powers used to be showing people their greatest fears (or desires) it would make sense.

Metal Woman

[sunofdarkchild]

Given the event Fear Its Self, I imagine Dani is going to be the one with the bigger role. Considering her powers used to be showing people their greatest fears (or desires) it would make sense.

Metal Woman

That would have to make the Fear Its Self story largely about Dani getting her mutant powers back. The only way I can see that happening at this point is if Hope somehow gives many depowered mutants their powers back. I suppose that being out of practise for so long her powers could go haywire.

I still think that it is more likely that Illyana leaves the X Men, goes on another quest to find a new way to get her soul back, and causes even more trouble in the process.

It was Wells himself who said "One of the characters who makes it out of "Fall of the New Mutants" alive is going to be huge in 2011. And not just in the X-books!" http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=27764

[sunofdarkchild]

Has anyone ever thought of how Magik's powers would make a good plot device for a Marvel/DC crossover? It's as good as any plot device they've ever used.

[jamgut]

Soldiers discover a female skeleton with an amulet in NM#16. There are three bloodstones. In the next issue, the focus is getting bloodstone number 5 from Pixie. Who was the source of stone number 4?

[Grendel0606]

Soldiers discover a female skeleton with an amulet in NM#16. There are three bloodstones. In the next issue, the focus is getting bloodstone number 5 from Pixie. Who was the source of stone number 4?
IIRC, the scene with the soldiers finding the amulet takes palce before X-Infernus techincally. In X-Infernus the fourth bloodstone is created from Pixie by witchfire.

[Leirus]

I always assumed this year the big magical war everyone keeps mentioning was going to take place. I thought that was why Nightcrawler was not in Chaos War, taking into account how Mephisto taunted him that one time. But that would make too much sense...

[244]

Has anyone ever thought of how Magik's powers would make a good plot device for a Marvel/DC crossover? It's as good as any plot device they've ever used.

I have some reservations about it because the last time I checked the Marvel/DC crossover, it didn't have like a strong storyline or anything. I feel the main focus was about Marvel heroes pitting against the DC ones. I'll admit I wish there was an amalgam version of a character being combined with Magik and Amethyst.



IIRC, the scene with the soldiers finding the amulet takes place before X-Infernus techincally. In X-Infernus the fourth bloodstone is created from Pixie by witchfire.

Close, but the fourth bloodstone was created by Magik as Darkchilde from Quest for Magik. Witchfire created the fifth for the Beatrice medallion. Project Purgatory didn't really extracted a piece of Pixie's soul into a bloodstone; they extracted it from her souldagger which was engraved in it as seen from the final issues of X-infernus #4.

[Grendel0606]

Close, but the fourth bloodstone was created by Magik as Darkchilde from Quest for Magik. Witchfire created the fifth for the Beatrice medallion. Project Purgatory didn't really extracted a piece of Pixie's soul into a bloodstone; they extracted it from her souldagger which was engraved in it as seen from the final issues of X-infernus #4.
DArn...it. You are right, of course. My bad.

[jamgut]

I have some reservations about it because the last time I checked the Marvel/DC crossover, it didn't have like a strong storyline or anything. I feel the main focus was about Marvel heroes pitting against the DC ones. I'll admit I wish there was an amalgam version of a character being combined with Magik and Amethyst.




Close, but the fourth bloodstone was created by Magik as Darkchilde from Quest for Magik. Witchfire created the fifth for the Beatrice medallion. Project Purgatory didn't really extracted a piece of Pixie's soul into a bloodstone; they extracted it from her souldagger which was engraved in it as seen from the final issues of X-infernus #4.


I'm missing something in the timeline:
1 - Soldiers find 3-stone amulet
2 - Witchfire & Co. take 3-stone amulet from soldiers
3 - Witchfire merges 3-stone amulet with Magik's 1-stone amulet and creates new 4-stone model
4 - Witchfire creates 5-stone amulet using Pixie's soul and opens the way for elder demons
5 - Magik and Pixie remove the 5th stone and close portal with Witchfire disappearing scarred 4-stone amulet. 5th stone becomes part of Pixie's dagger.

When did the solders get the 4-stone amulet from Witchfire?

[Darkchylde]

I'm missing something in the timeline:
1 - Soldiers find 3-stone amulet
2 - Witchfire & Co. take 3-stone amulet from soldiers
3 - Witchfire merges 3-stone amulet with Magik's 1-stone amulet and creates new 4-stone model
4 - Witchfire creates 5-stone amulet using Pixie's soul and opens the way for elder demons
5 - Magik and Pixie remove the 5th stone and close portal with Witchfire disappearing scarred 4-stone amulet. 5th stone becomes part of Pixie's dagger.

When did the solders get the 4-stone amulet from Witchfire?

The soldiers' acquisition of the Beatrix Medallion was never shown on panel, as the last time Witchfire was seen (before being held captive by Illyana's army in Limbo) was X-Infernus # 4, in which she was swept away to the Elder Gods' realm. How she returned, and how she lost the amulet, has yet to be revealed.

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Here's an idea I had for a while: if Laurie Collins (aka Wallflower) was still alive, what if it was her to take Pixie's place in the Quest for Magik arc? Seems like we would have a hard time figuring her and Magik apart. :tongue:

[NielsVanEekelen]

Yay, I got me some Magik and Warlock Minimates! Hurray for eBay! :biggrin:

They're quite cool.

[shankarma]

yayyy our little snow flake has her soul back

[Silent Sigh]

yayyy our little snow flake has her soul back

Did she really absorbed the soulstones? I had the impression that she was pretending being human with Colossus.

[Gymer]

Did she really absorbed the soulstones? I had the impression that she was pretending being human with Colossus.

It could easily been regret in that last panel for all she had done for revenge and to regain her soul.

[steve2275]

It could easily been regret in that last panel for all she had done for revenge and to regain her soul......i hope so

[yanapryde]

Did she really absorbed the soulstones? I had the impression that she was pretending being human with Colossus.


It could easily been regret in that last panel for all she had done for revenge and to regain her soul.


.....i hope so

Playing Devil's advocate here, but, what if her end game was to simply defeat the Elder Gods.
Yes, she regained the bloodstones....but... DID she restore her own soul?
Its heavily implied that she did, but since it took place off panel, if at all, I think we have reasonable doubt to suspect her actions. Especially after she pull this giangantic ruse over everyone.
Well done, I might add.
But... it could be that she just wanted revenge.
But....that would conflict with her actions in X-Infernus (which I LOVED) and hopefully she truly truly DOES want to be a human girl again and has restored herself.... and she's simply coping with being human and the guilt of her actions.

Hooray Illyana.
H8ers can suck it!

[NielsVanEekelen]

I like the way it was left. She's got the bloodstones back, and like when she regained possession of her Soulsword, that helped her.

She seems to feel more human (and frankly I think the whole thing has much to do with her self-image), but it is clear from her words and expression that she is still very much damaged. Certainly mentally, from all of her experiences, but probably also still magically.

She feels normal enough that she can fake the rest of it, at the very least to make her brother happy.


I don't think wanting revenge conflicts with her wanting to be a human girl again either--it's actually very human to need revenge for being wronged before being able to move on. Is it entirely healthy and rational? Maybe not. But it helped her close one chapter of her life and move on to the next.


For the record, I hold to the idea that souls, like innocence, cannot be restored once broken. But it helps to be in control of all the pieces. Nice metaphor for breaking free from the people and demons trying to control her and taking possession of her own life. Again, we saw some of this when she got the Soulsword back in X-Infernus.

[Leirus]

I like the way it was left. She's got the bloodstones back, and like when she regained possession of her Soulsword, that helped her.

She seems to feel more human (and frankly I think the whole thing has much to do with her self-image), but it is clear from her words and expression that she is still very much damaged. Certainly mentally, from all of her experiences, but probably also still magically.

She feels normal enough that she can fake the rest of it, at the very least to make her brother happy.


I don't think wanting revenge conflicts with her wanting to be a human girl again either--it's actually very human to need revenge for being wronged before being able to move on. Is it entirely healthy and rational? Maybe not. But it helped her close one chapter of her life and move on to the next.


For the record, I hold to the idea that souls, like innocence, cannot be restored once broken. But it helps to be in control of all the pieces. Nice metaphor for breaking free from the people and demons trying to control her and taking possession of her own life. Again, we saw some of this when she got the Soulsword back in X-Infernus.

Indeed, you will always see the cracks.

I see this as the end of the long jurney Illyana started back in New X-men. Unlike other characters who get insta-resurrected, Yana has had to fight every step to be back.

[sunofdarkchild]

Now can we FINALLY see some Illyana=Kitty interaction?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Now can we FINALLY see some Illyana=Kitty interaction?

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[Silent Sigh]

Legion and Illyana are BFFs <3

What a surprise, isn't it? I loved so much this page that I had to scan it...

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/18-1.jpg



Their smiles, awww, lovely

I want to see more interaction between them now :P

[Leirus]

In a sense, they are both broken monsters. and, they are not...
That last panel in the issue, was awesome.

[Silent Sigh]

Leirus!! Me encantaría que hicieras un dibujo de ellos juntos, sería genial XD

[Leirus]

Leirus!! Me encantaría que hicieras un dibujo de ellos juntos, sería genial XD

Buf, estoy realmente liado con todos los guiones que me manda S y el trabajo que me da de comer, pero puedo intentarlo...

[Raeden]

Now can we FINALLY see some Illyana=Kitty interaction?

This.
I actually expected a reunion between the two in this comic. Now we probably have to wait at least two months to get one, if we get one at all...

[Ms.Lockheed]

Buf, estoy realmente liado con todos los guiones que me manda S y el trabajo que me da de comer, pero puedo intentarlo...

si necesitas comer te mando la pizza que acabo de hacer <3

BTW where is Colossus sitting? is he waiting for her in some sort of waiting room or is it his own bedroom? why everything seems to have glass ( or at least transparent) doors?!:confused:
I really liked that she seemed to be holding Legion on her lap as if she was conforting him, she is kinda showing compassion or at least that she is grateful!! soul symptoms? ( yet again, she was feeling so angry before even to the point of almost crying, wasn't she unable to feel anything at all?:confused:)

I want Pixie's golden box!!!

[Raeden]

si necesitas comer te mando la pizza que acabo de hacer <3

I agree, pizza is delicious.


BTW where is Colossus sitting? is he waiting for her in some sort of waiting room or is it his own bedroom? why everything seems to have glass ( or at least transparent) doors?!:confused:

I think it is a waiting room outside the med-bay. I think all of the NM had to be examined medically, and Colossus was waiting for her.

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( yet again, she was feeling so angry before even to the point of almost crying, wasn't she unable to feel anything at all?:confused:)

I haven't gotten the latest New Mutants issue yet but I would like to think that her Darkchilde side is being influenced by human emotions just like Illyana was being under the demonic influences back from the 80's. You can say what was happening to the current Magik was something in reverse. Heck, she was exhibiting human behaviors from Zeb Well's Legion saga but only briefly.

I'm just happy for Magik for getting her humanity back. Now she has the perfect opportunity to start her life all over and try to make amends with the New X-men (that is if she has the courage to do so).

[Ms.Lockheed]

I haven't gotten the latest New Mutants issue yet but I would like to think that her Darkchilde side is being influenced by human emotions just like Illyana was being under the demonic influences back from the 80's. You can say what was happening to the current Magik was something in reverse. Heck, she was exhibiting human behaviors from Zeb Well's Legion saga but only briefly.

I'm just happy for Magik for getting her humanity back. Now she has the perfect opportunity to start her life all over and try to make amends with the New X-men (that is if she has the courage to do so).

or more important : if she feels like it:wink:


I agree, pizza is delicious.

not any random pizza, MY pizza:cool::cool:

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or more important : if she feels like it:wink:

Yeah, you're right about that. The reason why I mentioned if she had the courage to apologize is she had wronged the New X-men yet she openly admitted to being a monster and believes she's not worth saving. Now that she's human again, she's gonna feel worst.

[Raeden]

not any random pizza, MY pizza:cool::cool:

Can I have some?


Yeah, you're right about that. The reason why I mentioned if she had the courage to apologize is she had wronged the New X-men yet she openly admitted to being a monster and believes she's not worth saving. Now that she's human again, she's gonna feel worst.

She wronged them by saving them from Belasco. She was just a victim who went to extremes to save those that were captured in her name.

And she did NOT cut off Anole's arm! Those New X-men are just complaining over nothing.

Unless you subscribe to the theory that Illyana never was really de-aged and just sent a constructed younger version of herself to the X-men so she wouldn't be distracted when she stayed to rule over Limbo to prevent anything taking over her domain again. She captured the New X-men, conning them into believing that Belasco was responsible so she could get an apprentice in order to complete the Bloodstone Amulet (because she was too corrupt now to complete it) so she could destroy the Elder Gods for once and for all, with the help of Legion. She let Witchfire take the Amulet and take a bloodstone from Pixie and helped Pixie get it back so the X-men would trust her and she would have time to recruit Legion.

Added spoiler tags for stuff from NM #21. Don't wanna ruin it for people.

[Silent Sigh]

Buf, estoy realmente liado con todos los guiones que me manda S y el trabajo que me da de comer, pero puedo intentarlo...

Si te tuviera cerca, yo tambien te invitaba a comer <3



I haven't gotten the latest New Mutants issue yet but I would like to think that her Darkchilde side is being influenced by human emotions just like Illyana was being under the demonic influences back from the 80's. You can say what was happening to the current Magik was something in reverse. Heck, she was exhibiting human behaviors from Zeb Well's Legion saga but only briefly.

I'm just happy for Magik for getting her humanity back. Now she has the perfect opportunity to start her life all over and try to make amends with the New X-men (that is if she has the courage to do so).

Trust me, you won't be disappointed when you get this issue :smile:



She wronged them by saving them from Belasco. She was just a victim who went to extremes to save those that were captured in her name.

And she did NOT cut off Anole's arm! Those New X-men are just complaining over nothing.

Unless you subscribe to the theory that Illyana never was really de-aged and just sent a constructed younger version of herself to the X-men so she wouldn't be distracted when she stayed to rule over Limbo to prevent anything taking over her domain again. She captured the New X-men, conning them into believing that Belasco was responsible so she could get an apprentice in order to complete the Bloodstone Amulet (because she was too corrupt now to complete it) so she could destroy the Elder Gods for once and for all, with the help of Legion. She let Witchfire take the Amulet and take a bloodstone from Pixie and helped Pixie get it back so the X-men would trust her and she would have time to recruit Legion.

Added spoiler tags for stuff from NM #21. Don't wanna ruin it for people.

It's nice that you added the spoiler tags, my head almost exploded when I was waiting to get the issue and I wanted to read the thread about it but I was containing myself to not spoiling me the ending XD

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She wronged them by saving them from Belasco. She was just a victim who went to extremes to save those that were captured in her name.

And she did NOT cut off Anole's arm! Those New X-men are just complaining over nothing.


Yeah, I understand that bit and I know Anole's arm didn't really got chopped off by Magik as Darkchilde but then again, from the last issue of Quest for Magik, she had announced her desire to stripped more of Pixie's soul and become a goddess of Limbo. She even went as far to denounce her humanity.


Unless you subscribe to the theory that Illyana never was really de-aged and just sent a constructed younger version of herself to the X-men so she wouldn't be distracted when she stayed to rule over Limbo to prevent anything taking over her domain again.

Louise Simmonson had hinted something like that I think but then again, later writers had suggested that the de-aged Illyana was the real deal. I prefer the latter.

[Silent Sigh]

Louise Simmonson had hinted something like that I think but then again, later writers had suggested that the de-aged Illyana was the real deal. I prefer the latter.

I prefer the latter too, when I read Inferno, I understood that there were suddenly two Illyanas, one of them was an innocent child, the other was corrupted, like parallel versions or something like that.

[244]

I've just read the latest New Mutants issue and on the last few pages, the way Magik was talking to Karma still felt devoided of any human emotions so I don't feel she has absorbed any of her bloodstones yet.

[Kerukun878]

I've just read the latest New Mutants issue and on the last few pages, the way Magik was talking to Karma still felt devoided of any human emotions so I don't feel she has absorbed any of her bloodstones yet.

Really? Well.. considering it was on-panel....

[Ms.Lockheed]

I don't really think that she absorbed the bloodstones(I'm not sure if that is even posible) but what I do think Is that having those pieces of her soul near her somehow can change her, make her more human. Besides if her soul is intact ( I mean as a whole and inside of her) she wouldn't be able to perform dark magic right ?(or is it magic at all?)?would she want to give that up? I'm not sure...
the same goes for Pixie. if she reabsorbes the soulstones she wouldn't be able to teleport anymore or having that useful kickass dagger.she would return into a useless dust-throw chick-with wings again.who would want that?

Btw at the begining of this volume Illyana said that she spent YEARS trying to get her soulsword back. Does this mean that she is closer to her teammmates' ages now?


Can I have some?

too late...

[Darkchylde]

I don't really think that she absorbed the bloodstones(I'm not sure if that is even posible) but what I do think Is that having those pieces of her soul near her somehow can change her, make her more human. Besides if her soul is intact ( I mean as a whole and inside of her) she wouldn't be able to perform dark magic right ?(or is it magic at all?)?would she want to give that up? I'm not sure...
the same goes for Pixie. if she reabsorbes the soulstones she wouldn't be able to teleport anymore or having that useful kickass dagger.she would return into a useless dust-throw chick-with wings again.who would want that?

Btw at the begining of this volume Illyana said that she spent YEARS trying to get her soulsword back. Does this mean that she is closer to her teammmates' ages now?



too late...


I've wondered the same thing about the implications of Illyana's returned Bloodstones. In the Magik limited series, Adult Illyana told Storm that each time Belasco created a Bloodstone from Illyana's soul, the child Illyana was filled with more dark magick; to counter that, Ororo taught Illyana "white magick". Still, I can't help think that even if Illyana were to reabsorb her Bloodstones, she was still TAUGHT magick from Belasco and Storm, in addition to those missing years between X-Infernus and New Mutants # 1 that she spent traveling through time. Unless she suddenly had amnesia and forgot she was a sorceress, I doubt she has lost her ability to harness magick.

Also, the Soulsword was never constructed from the Bloodstones, but rather her own remaining soul, so it stands to reason that she would still have a physical manifestation of her sorcerous ability even if the Bloodstones suddenly were reabsorbed. Personally, I don't think the Bloodstones can be restored; rather Illyana now has them in her possession again, which, in a sense, means she *does* have her soul back as opposed to it being passed around between Belasco, Witchfire and the Elder Gods like some rag doll.

I guess we'll have to see what develops for her post-"Age of X".

[Silent Sigh]

I don't really think that she absorbed the bloodstones(I'm not sure if that is even posible) but what I do think Is that having those pieces of her soul near her somehow can change her, make her more human. Besides if her soul is intact ( I mean as a whole and inside of her) she wouldn't be able to perform dark magic right ?(or is it magic at all?)?would she want to give that up? I'm not sure...
the same goes for Pixie. if she reabsorbes the soulstones she wouldn't be able to teleport anymore or having that useful kickass dagger.she would return into a useless dust-throw chick-with wings again.who would want that?

Btw at the begining of this volume Illyana said that she spent YEARS trying to get her soulsword back. Does this mean that she is closer to her teammmates' ages now?


Yeah, Pixie would be useless again if she loses her magic.

About Illyana's age, Wells said that exactly in one X-Position, because she was like 15 years old during Quest for Magik, thanks to the time travelling she is older now.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Unfortunately that touches on something I have a big problem with in current Marvel Magic.

Mostly in Bendis's Sorcerer Supreme stories, magic abilities have been handled as superpowers that can be instantly given or taken away. In the past, magic has been portrayed as a learned skill--Illyana spent her years in Limbo learning, Dr. Strange was apprenticed to the Ancient One for many years and only received the title of Sorcerer Supreme as a result of his skill, not the other way around, etc.

So I don't think Illyana's sorcerous abilities could be taken away, but recent comics suggest that it is in fact possible.

Still, I'm optimistic that she'll remain a witch, just possibly a little powered down. It makes her extra interesting and more unique, and why would Marvel give that up?

[Leirus]

Uh. To me it is clear what the issue implies. Illyana has her sould back, she now feels more human, she is able to try and be a "real girl". She even has enough feelings to put up a smile for his dear brother, to be the snowflake he needs her to be.

But once the innocence has been lost, you can not recover it. Illyana can heal, but she will always have a ruthless part on her, because everything she has lived through. Wells understands that persons are not puzzles. Just because you put all the pieces together you do not get a whole person.

However now, Illyana can settle and start again. But the mark of her past will never go away. Shan specifically can relate to that, as she survived to a real world tragedy when she was a teenager. I love that last couple of panels, you can see so many layers on them...

[sunofdarkchild]

I feel like the whole soul thing with Illyana and Pixie became Harry Potterized.

In the beggining of the Magik mini Belasco created a bloodstone from Illyana's soul, corrupting it but not removing any part of it. Storm entered her soul and found it complete, rotten, but complete. At not point before Inferno was Illyana missing any part of her soul.

But when Darkchylde formed a new bloodstone out of Pixie it apparently did take a piece of her soul to create one. The bloodstones were turned into horcruxes.

On another note, we now know that Illyana made Emma look pathetic in issue 9. Illyana gave her access to her thoughts and was still able to conceal her true intentions from one of the most powerful telepaths on Earth. Her psiblocks from the 80s must be working as well as ever. Either that or Emma isn't as good a telepath as she's made out to be.

[Brian M.]

Which Illyana costume do you guys like best?

I prefer the standard new mutants yellow and blue.

[Silent Sigh]

Which Illyana costume do you guys like best?

I prefer the standard new mutants yellow and blue.


I prefer that too, but... the Exiles Magik had a great costume.

I hope she gets a new one after Age of X.

[sunofdarkchild]

My favourite costume is still the original black and white graduation uniform, although I'd prefer she had a black mask rather than a pink one.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I like the team unity of the New Mutants uniform (both new and old), but yeah, Illyana's graduation uniform was cool, in either color.

A combination, perhaps? A standard New Mutants uniform with that hooded cloak over it? (Leave the mask out entirely. She doesn't need it.)

[244]

I feel like the whole soul thing with Illyana and Pixie became Harry Potterized.

Do you mean about the bit with the Dementors

[summers88]

I think maybe he was thinking Horcrux thing. Split their soul, etc., etc.

[chrissstopher]

On another note, we now know that Illyana made Emma look pathetic in issue 9. Illyana gave her access to her thoughts and was still able to conceal her true intentions from one of the most powerful telepaths on Earth. Her psiblocks from the 80s must be working as well as ever. Either that or Emma isn't as good a telepath as she's made out to be.

Well, Illyana could have been blocking her with magic as well.

[sunofdarkchild]

I think maybe he was thinking Horcrux thing. Split their soul, etc., etc.

I thought "The bloodstones were turned into horcruxes" was pretty explicit.


Well, Illyana could have been blocking her with magic as well.

No matter how she did it, Illyana schooled Emma pretty bad.

[yanapryde]

I thought "The bloodstones were turned into horcruxes" was pretty explicit.



No matter how she did it, Illyana schooled Emma pretty bad.

And it would be the other way around in terms of who is copying who.
Illyana had bloodstones forged looong before Harry Potter existed.

And yes, Illyana did some clever telepathy aversion there.

[sunofdarkchild]

What I'm saying is that the bloodstones were changed from their original effects. At first they left the soul intact; now they split them. So before they had nothing in common with horcruxes, and now they do.

It's like how in Excaliber the soul sword first became, well, Excaliber, and later became the one ring to rule them all. It's a change from the original function more reminiscent of something from another part of pop culture than was the original.

[Ms.Lockheed]

What I'm saying is that the bloodstones were changed from their original effects. At first they left the soul intact; now they split them. So before they had nothing in common with horcruxes, and now they do.

It's like how in Excaliber the soul sword first became, well, Excaliber, and later became the one ring to rule them all. It's a change from the original function more reminiscent of something from another part of pop culture than was the original.

LOL I see your point, but if that's the case we already have a solution for Illyana's soul problem ala Voldemort!: all she has to do is feel real remorse about all she's done!It would only hurt like hell but yana's a tough girl!!:biggrin:

[244]

I thought "The bloodstones were turned into horcruxes" was pretty explicit.

The fifth Harry Potter book was the last one I've read. I've started to lose interest in it after that so that's why I don't know anything about horcruxes



No matter how she did it, Illyana schooled Emma pretty bad.

The irony about it is Emma is older and experienced in many areas and such while Magik is a young woman who's spent half her life in Limbo and hasn't had much worldly experiences. All she knows was how to survive in Limbo.

[c.lei]

Yeah, you're right about that. The reason why I mentioned if she had the courage to apologize is she had wronged the New X-men yet she openly admitted to being a monster and believes she's not worth saving. Now that she's human again, she's gonna feel worst.

Quite frankly except for Pixie I rather doubt Illyana gives a damn about the New X-men.

In fact I see her enjoying the fact that they jump whenever she's around. It fits her sense of humor.

[244]

Quite frankly except for Pixie I rather doubt Illyana gives a damn about the New X-men.

In fact I see her enjoying the fact that they jump whenever she's around. It fits her sense of humor.

That is if she does have a sense of humor.....

[Kunoichi]

For some reason, Illyana is my favorite New Mutant.

[NielsVanEekelen]

For some reason, Illyana is my favorite New Mutant.

You mean "for every reason," right? :tongue:

[Pixie_Solanas]

Quite frankly except for Pixie I rather doubt Illyana gives a damn about the New X-men.
.

Illyana speaks for the majority. Aside from Pix, who is there worth giving a damn about?

[xgirl]

Illyana speaks for the majority. Aside from Pix, who is there worth giving a damn about?

alot of the new xmen:mad:

[Silent Sigh]

Illyana speaks for the majority. Aside from Pix, who is there worth giving a damn about?

In the "The Heroic Age X-Men" One-Shot, according to Steve Rogers, only Pixie and Armor are X-Men, the others belongs to the "Mutant Community", LOL

And... this is Magik's entry.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/img319.jpg

[Silent Sigh]

For some reason, Illyana is my favorite New Mutant.

I like you already :P

[sunofdarkchild]

In the "The Heroic Age X-Men" One-Shot, according to Steve Rogers, only Pixie and Armor are X-Men, the others belongs to the "Mutant Community", LOL

And... this is Magik's entry.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff215/anotherpicture/img319.jpg

Nice to see that Cap remembers that Kulan Gath incident and Illyana's part in it. Interesting that that was what he remembers her for, even more than Inferno, and that he thinks she died 100% during Inferno.

[yanapryde]

In the "The Heroic Age X-Men" One-Shot, according to Steve Rogers, only Pixie and Armor are X-Men, the others belongs to the "Mutant Community", LOL
And... this is Magik's entry.

Firstly...yes. Pixie and Armor are alleged graduates from the New X-Men class to full X-Man status. Yay. I prefer it this way as I prefer exclusivitiy of the title/role. During "Utopia" everyone was considered an X-Man...but once that was all over, and Utopia (the island) became a community, I prefer the distinction made again. Yay. Also...go Magik!

Nice to see that Cap remembers that Kulan Gath incident and Illyana's part in it. Interesting that that was what he remembers her for, even more than Inferno, and that he thinks she died 100% during Inferno.
But Cap was involved in the Kulan Gath incident, and wasn't around for Inferno, was he? I don't recall the greater Marvel U being involved during that craziness. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
I like that he uses phrases like "I'm told (event happened)" rather than just stating facts to the reader. Makes it more believable as an entry log on his part.

Also...check out my massive Utopia illustration. Everyone but the Science team....and I put Magik in her Infernus outfit.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo304/cpjudd/UTOPIA.jpg[/QUOTE]

[Tori Pagac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsCGlOgSNg this song put yana into my head this moring

[NielsVanEekelen]

Nice to see that Cap remembers that Kulan Gath incident and Illyana's part in it. Interesting that that was what he remembers her for, even more than Inferno, and that he thinks she died 100% during Inferno.

During the Kulan Gath incident (which was a great story, wasn't it?) Cap actually met her. I don't think at the time anyone other than the X-teams and those they explained it to knew much about the reasons behind Inferno or its end.


But Cap was involved in the Kulan Gath incident, and wasn't around for Inferno, was he? I don't recall the greater Marvel U being involved during that craziness. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

Pretty much every Marvel book taking place in New York tied in to the crossover. Cap actually used the occasion to form a new Avengers team, although I believe he was simply "The Captain" at the time. (Avengers #298-300 were Inferno issues, and Illyana even had a cameo in #299.)

But Inferno was the perfect vehicle for tie-ins: any book or character could use the demonic craziness taking over the city without getting caught up in the main story arcs in the mutant books.

[MuhollandDriver]

That is a wonderful illustration of everyone! Very good work!

i believe Illyana is still the ruler of Limbo. Limbo's environment changes according to the master's state of mind. i am interested in what it looks like now.

Maybe it will now be the place to go for pillow fights!

[244]

That is a wonderful illustration of everyone! Very good work!

i believe Illyana is still the ruler of Limbo. Limbo's environment changes according to the master's state of mind. i am interested in what it looks like now.

Maybe it will now be the place to go for pillow fights!

Limbos' environment had changed in the past when Illyana had banished half of herself (dark side) temporarily and it transformed into a beautiful place which is a grassy field with flowers and what not as seen from New Mutants #50 (classic version). I don't know for sure if Illyana still a ruler of limbo or now that she's no longer a demon child, she wants to start her life all over so she may be inclined to abandon rulership of it.

[244]

That is a wonderful illustration of everyone! Very good work!

i believe Illyana is still the ruler of Limbo. Limbo's environment changes according to the master's state of mind. i am interested in what it looks like now.

Maybe it will now be the place to go for pillow fights!

Limbos' environment had changed in the past when Illyana had banished half of herself (dark side) temporarily and it transformed into a beautiful place which is a grassy field with flowers and what not as seen from New Mutants #50 (classic version). I don't know for sure if Illyana still a ruler of limbo or now that she's no longer a demon child, she wants to start her life all over so she may be inclined to abandon rulership of it.

[244]

Ignore my duplicate post. It was taking a long time for my post to be processed so think of it as an accident.

[NielsVanEekelen]

In the past, abandoning Limbo has never ended well. That dimension needs a firm hand.

You're right that it's shaped by its ruler, though, so it'll be interesting to see how it has changed.

[244]

In the past, abandoning Limbo has never ended well. That dimension needs a firm hand.

You're right that it's shaped by its ruler, though, so it'll be interesting to see how it has changed.

But since the Elder Gods cease to exist, what about limbo? Did it got destroyed along with them or it still wouldn't be affected by it regardless with the Elder Gods?

[NielsVanEekelen]

But since the Elder Gods cease to exist, what about limbo? Did it got destroyed along with them or it still wouldn't be affected by it regardless with the Elder Gods?

I don't think Limbo has ever been portrayed as something created by or dependent on the Elder Gods. In the X-Men: Magik miniseries (not our Magik, but during the time of the Pretender Sefton), I believe Limbo was portrayed as being the space between dimensions, so it simply served as a natural bridge from the Elder Gods' home to our world.

Could very well be that their influence leaked into Limbo over the aeons. It might be a good storyline for Illyana if she slowly works to cleanse Limbo of that influence to make it a more pleasant place. The demon inhabitants might not like that, though.

[Silent Sigh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsCGlOgSNg this song put yana into my head this moring

That songs fits her :P

Well... what's next for Illyana?
She has her bloodstones back, she is a "normal girl" now.

She should use her powers and teleport to that dimension where Mikhail is trapped.

Illyana barely knew Mikhail, the only interaction between them is in that weird mini "Truth or Death" and she doesn't remember it thanks to Shan. I would love to see Mikhail's reaction to Illyana being alive, considering that he infected her with the Legacy virus.

And Colossus deserves to be happy, she finally got back his little snowflake, I want a family reunion!!

[Raeden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgsCGlOgSNg this song put yana into my head this moring

Wow,yeah. That reminded me a lot of 'Yana.

On the whole bloodstones thing, to me it is all a metaphor for innocence. Once you lose it, you can never get it back. I would be disappointed if the new writer for NM decides to make her innocent. There is a very interesting story to be had by exploring exactly what it means to Illyana that she finally got her bloodstones back.

[Silent Sigh]

Wow,yeah. That reminded me a lot of 'Yana.

On the whole bloodstones thing, to me it is all a metaphor for innocence. Once you lose it, you can never get it back. I would be disappointed if the new writer for NM decides to make her innocent. There is a very interesting story to be had by exploring exactly what it means to Illyana that she finally got her bloodstones back.

She needs to be a bitch yet, or I'll stop being her fan, lol

[244]

Well... what's next for Illyana?
She has her bloodstones back, she is a "normal girl" now.

She should use her powers and teleport to that dimension where Mikhail is trapped.

Illyana barely knew Mikhail, the only interaction between them is in that weird mini "Truth or Death" and she doesn't remember it thanks to Shan. I would love to see Mikhail's reaction to Illyana being alive, considering that he infected her with the Legacy virus.

And Colossus deserves to be happy, she finally got back his little snowflake, I want a family reunion!!

It's up to the next writer after Carey but I'll say this: I really don't want her to be tied down to limbo related stuff, demons, and the supernatural anymore since she's moving on to her next life now that she's human again. I can understand the limbo related stuff has been part of her character from the past but I want to see more what she can do as a mutant with her own strength, not as a demon. She's a great character and I don't want her to end up like another Jean Grey.



On the whole bloodstones thing, to me it is all a metaphor for innocence. Once you lose it, you can never get it back. I would be disappointed if the new writer for NM decides to make her innocent. There is a very interesting story to be had by exploring exactly what it means to Illyana that she finally got her bloodstones back.

Well how about this: she pieced all of her innocence back but the cracks are still shown which marks her broken childhood and sins from the past. At least she can use her past to make the right decisions in life.

[sunofdarkchild]

I see a bit of a role-reversal coming up. Karma, and maybe the New Mutants as a whole, will not trust Illyana anymore while Pixie, and possibly several more New X Men, will become one of her staunchest defenders. Basically a reverse of New Mutants #1.

[Raeden]

Well how about this: she pieced all of her innocence back but the cracks are still shown which marks her broken childhood and sins from the past. At least she can use her past to make the right decisions in life.

That is somewhat acceptable, but if she loses her sadistic sense of humor or stops teasing people I will be sad. Her humour is my favourite part of her character.

[yanapryde]

That is somewhat acceptable, but if she loses her sadistic sense of humor or stops teasing people I will be sad. Her humour is my favourite part of her character.

Agreed. Take away her biting, sardonic sense of humor and you're left with X-23.
But prettier.

[Twisted Bliss]

I don't think Limbo has ever been portrayed as something created by or dependent on the Elder Gods. In the X-Men: Magik miniseries (not our Magik, but during the time of the Pretender Sefton), I believe Limbo was portrayed as being the space between dimensions, so it simply served as a natural bridge from the Elder Gods' home to our world.

Could very well be that their influence leaked into Limbo over the aeons. It might be a good storyline for Illyana if she slowly works to cleanse Limbo of that influence to make it a more pleasant place. The demon inhabitants might not like that, though.

Maybe it'll change to reflect the innocence within her.

Demonic teddy bears and twisted nursery rhymes abound.

[Raeden]

Agreed. Take away her biting, sardonic sense of humor and you're left with X-23.
But prettier.

Haha, yes! I personally thought she felt very X-23 like in Hellbound. Read a lot of comics that day though, so I probably missed something.


Demonic teddy bears and twisted nursery rhymes abound

Well that is a different take on innocence. Haha, awesome. Now that would be cool.
Wonder if she would believe in the Russian version of Santa?

[Twisted Bliss]

Haha, yes! I personally thought she felt very X-23 like in Hellbound. Read a lot of comics that day though, so I probably missed something.



Well that is a different take on innocence. Haha, awesome. Now that would be cool.
Wonder if she would believe in the Russian version of Santa?

I loved the time she encountered the demonic version of Baba Yaga. That was cool.

[244]

Maybe it'll change to reflect the innocence within her.

Demonic teddy bears and twisted nursery rhymes abound.

Illyana isn't a demon girl anymore after getting back her bloodstones so I'd say Limbo would look a lot like from New Mutants #50:

http://uncannyxmen.net/images/atlas/limbo4.jpg



Haha, yes! I personally thought she felt very X-23 like in Hellbound. Read a lot of comics that day though, so I probably missed something.

Well yeah she was almost like X-23 because she lacked human soul. Zeb Wells' Illyana was different than Chris Claremont's but better. I've always felt Illyana's humor was misplaced because she's dark and almost soulless for it.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Maybe it'll change to reflect the innocence within her.

Demonic teddy bears and twisted nursery rhymes abound.

Surely you mean "demonic Bamf Dolls"?
:cool:

[Twisted Bliss]

Illyana isn't a demon girl anymore after getting back her bloodstones so I'd say Limbo would look a lot like from New Mutants #50:

http://uncannyxmen.net/images/atlas/limbo4.jpg


I like the picture so I'll allow this. But are you speculating Re:demon girl or has it been specifically stated on panel?

Is that your take on the her getting her bloodstones back?

[244]

I like the picture so I'll allow this. But are you speculating Re:demon girl or has it been specifically stated on panel?

Is that your take on the her getting her bloodstones back?

It was heavily implied that she did got her soul back. When Pixie asked her if Illyana became normal again, she replies that she hopes to act like getting her soul back means she can feel normal again, in other words, she still feels like a monster regardless. When she told Colossus she's "back", I take it as an implication she's "herself" again.

As for the bloodstones, from X-infernus #2, the moment she got back her soulsword, she got back a fragment of her humanity as well so I believe the same applies to the stones.

[Raeden]

Limbo is horrible because Illyana likes it that way. It is easier to mess with people if you control a demonic hoard. :P

Also, remember HoM Illyana? She had her soul intact but she was still sadistic. Just because she has a soul now, doesn't mean she is anymore "good" than she was before.

[244]

Limbo is horrible because Illyana likes it that way. It is easier to mess with people if you control a demonic hoard. :P

Also, remember HoM Illyana? She had her soul intact but she was still sadistic. Just because she has a soul now, doesn't mean she is anymore "good" than she was before.

The House of M was another timeline and some of the character's personalities were different than the main continuity. Take Laurie Collins (Wallflower): in the main continuity, she's a nice person, but in the HoM version, she's cruel.

As for Illyana, we're dealing with a character with a dual nature. her essential nature is of a good person as a human but Belasco had partially corrupted her with demonic infuences. She had been keeping her dark side at bay throughout the X-books and I see her ruthless side stemming from her darkside which is the Darkchilde persona. Roughly think of Illyana as Jean Grey who had fought the Dark Phoenix influences.

Yes, Limbo is a horrible place but Illyana wanted to make it into a better place but couldn't ever since the corruption.

[yanapryde]

The House of M was another timeline and some of the character's personalities were different than the main continuity. Take Laurie Collins (Wallflower): in the main continuity, she's a nice person, but in the HoM version, she's cruel.

As for Illyana, we're dealing with a character with a dual nature. her essential nature is of a good person as a human but Belasco had partially corrupted her with demonic infuences. She had been keeping her dark side at bay throughout the X-books and I see her ruthless side stemming from her darkside which is the Darkchilde persona. Roughly think of Illyana as Jean Grey who had fought the Dark Phoenix influences.

Yes, Limbo is a horrible place but Illyana wanted to make it into a better place but couldn't ever since the corruption.


Playing Devil's Advocate here, but prior to Yost and Kyle taking over NXM, Laurie was going to be getting a dramatic shift in her personality, which was hinted at in that prom issue where she manipulated David into kissing her to make Josh jealous, and further forshadowing in the HoM arc.

Illyana has always been on the sassy side. Snarky, and quick witted, and occassionally sardonic with her teammates and friends, which COULD be stemming from her time in Limbo....OR...she's just a girl. Its human nature, and especially among teenagers to pick on one another and take jabs at eachother. The fact that she might make jokes at someone else's expense or use heavy innuendo when speaking, of the more sinister nature, doesn't mean she's evil or that she's being effected by a 'dual nature' or that she'll pull a complete 180 in her personality now that she's recovered her bloodstones.
It simply means she's human.
And entertaining.
Dear Marvel....please don't make Illyana puss out and turn into some passive quiet woe-is-me-I-miss-Russian-farmlife-I'm-a-victim-pooh-pooh character.
She doesn't HAVE to be evil...but we don't necessarily need her GOOD either. :smile:

[Raeden]

I agree with everything yanapryde just said.


Its human nature, and especially among teenagers to pick on one another and take jabs at eachother.

And especially among Australians.

Random side note: remember fat Karma vs the NM? Illyana was awesome in that arc.

[yanapryde]

I agree with everything yanapryde just said.



And especially among Australians.

Random side note: remember fat Karma vs the NM? Illyana was awesome in that arc.

Thanks.
Also....I never looked at Illyana's ...uh..."condition" as an issue of "dual nature", but more so ....like she was fighting cancer.
Like...Belasco infected Illyana with something and she's been fighting it back from taking over and essentially killing her. She doesn't have split personality. The title of Darkchild isn't an alter ego, regardless of her physical transformation. She's still Illyana. Its never been a simple Jekyl and Hyde situation, for me. I never looked at her as having 2 separate personalities house in one body. Everyone has evil inside them or the capacity to BE evil but Illyana simply had that struggle thrust upon her in a more phsyical way.
She's just...a girl...fighting an infection of sorts planted by an evil sorcerer.
I might be alone on this ...but thought I'd share.

Also.... Illyana was BOSS in that story arc. Perfect example of a shining moment where her manipulation and/or coercion skills prove extremely beneficial to thwarting an adversary. Way awesome! Good reference Raeden!!:smile:

[Raeden]

Thanks.
Also....I never looked at Illyana's ...uh..."condition" as an issue of "dual nature", but more so ....like she was fighting cancer.
Like...Belasco infected Illyana with something and she's been fighting it back from taking over and essentially killing her. She doesn't have split personality. The title of Darkchild isn't an alter ego, regardless of her physical transformation. She's still Illyana. Its never been a simple Jekyl and Hyde situation, for me. I never looked at her as having 2 separate personalities house in one body. Everyone has evil inside them or the capacity to BE evil but Illyana simply had that struggle thrust upon her in a more phsyical way.
She's just...a girl...fighting an infection of sorts planted by an evil sorcerer.
I might be alone on this ...but thought I'd share.

Also.... Illyana was BOSS in that story arc. Perfect example of a shining moment where her manipulation and/or coercion skills prove extremely beneficial to thwarting an adversary. Way awesome! Good reference Raeden!!:smile:

Hmm. I remember when the NM went to Asgarde, the Enchantress created a physical embodiment of Illyana's dark side. That is the only time during Claremont's run that I recall seeing the Darkchilde. I haven't read the non Claremont issues other than Doug's death, so I don't know how it was treated then. But, on a whole I agree with you.

I think it is like Pinochio's nose when he lies, just with hooves and horns when evil is done.

[yanapryde]

Hmm. I remember when the NM went to Asgarde, the Enchantress created a physical embodiment of Illyana's dark side. That is the only time during Claremont's run that I recall seeing the Darkchilde. I haven't read the non Claremont issues other than Doug's death, so I don't know how it was treated then. But, on a whole I agree with you.

I think it is like Pinochio's nose when he lies, just with hooves and horns when evil is done.

Well...THAT Enchantress business I attribute to magic.
She cast a spell to give the evil insider a physical form.
As for the Pinochio reference: Yes.
The evil inside her manifests physically when she doesn't keep it in check.
"Do evil....See evil" (or rather see hooves and horns)

[Raeden]

Well...THAT Enchantress business I attribute to magic.
She cast a spell to give the evil insider a physical form.
As for the Pinochio reference: Yes.
The evil inside her manifests physically when she doesn't keep it in check.
"Do evil....See evil" (or rather see hooves and horns)

What I meant by my previous post (it is getting late here so sense I do not make :P) was that Darkchilde only existed in Asgarde as far as I am concerned. All other references are to the physical "Pinochio" appearance.

"Do evil....see evil"
I like that.

[yanapryde]

What I meant by my previous post (it is getting late here so sense I do not make :P) was that Darkchilde only existed in Asgarde as far as I am concerned. All other references are to the physical "Pinochio" appearance.

"Do evil....see evil"
I like that.

Well said, Raeden. Agreed. :wink:

[NielsVanEekelen]

I honestly feel the House of M Illyana is best ignored. It was wonderful seeing any version of her again back then, but there was a lot about her that didn't really make sense.


Random side note: remember fat Karma vs the NM? Illyana was awesome in that arc.

Oh yes she was! And she got to team up with Warlock too. That was great, and while Illyana would never have betrayed the team as she pretended to in that story, it was entirely believable that Warlock believed she had--that was a good balance.


Hmm. I remember when the NM went to Asgarde, the Enchantress created a physical embodiment of Illyana's dark side. That is the only time during Claremont's run that I recall seeing the Darkchilde. I haven't read the non Claremont issues other than Doug's death, so I don't know how it was treated then. But, on a whole I agree with you.

I think it is like Pinochio's nose when he lies, just with hooves and horns when evil is done.

What Yanapryde said on this. We've seen the manifestations of the "evil sides" of many characters, and that never meant they had two separate personalities.

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm one of those who's talked about Illyana's "duality" in the past. I never meant as her having a split personality. I meant it in terms of being opposite things at the same time. A great force for good while simultaneously being a vessel of evil, mature beyond her physical years while at the same time being a six year old stuck in a teenager's body, wielding both white and black magic in the same spell.

That sort of duality is part of being human, not a result of a bipolar disorder. I never liked the "splitting" of the Asgard arc and in issue 50. But it did seem pretty clear that when split neither was a complete person. Other characters in the MU that have multiple personalities would be complete people with either one.

[244]

What I meant by my previous post (it is getting late here so sense I do not make :P) was that Darkchilde only existed in Asgarde as far as I am concerned. All other references are to the physical "Pinochio" appearance.

"Do evil....see evil"
I like that.

The Darkchilde form of Illyana first appeared in Storm and Illyana issue #4, New Mutants classic issue #15 and #30 and it was before the Asgard adventure. Yanapryde is right. The Darkchilde is a physical manifestation of Illyana's demonic nature from her dark side.



Thanks.
Also....I never looked at Illyana's ...uh..."condition" as an issue of "dual nature", but more so ....like she was fighting cancer.
Like...Belasco infected Illyana with something and she's been fighting it back from taking over and essentially killing her. She doesn't have split personality. The title of Darkchild isn't an alter ego, regardless of her physical transformation. She's still Illyana. Its never been a simple Jekyl and Hyde situation, for me. I never looked at her as having 2 separate personalities house in one body. Everyone has evil inside them or the capacity to BE evil but Illyana simply had that struggle thrust upon her in a more phsyical way.
She's just...a girl...fighting an infection of sorts planted by an evil sorcerer.
I might be alone on this ...but thought I'd share.

Also.... Illyana was BOSS in that story arc. Perfect example of a shining moment where her manipulation and/or coercion skills prove extremely beneficial to thwarting an adversary. Way awesome! Good reference Raeden!!:smile:

I didn't implied there were two personalities housing a body. What I mean is she becomes a different person under the dark influences within her and I agree everyone has a dark side but Illyana's case was taken to a literal manner. I still hold the idea duality played a part in her life because she has the choice whether she wants to be on the path of good or evil and learned from two schools of sorcery with opposing nature, I mean isn't the Storm and Illyana miniseries talked about duality enough?

[Darkchylde]

It was heavily implied that she did got her soul back. When Pixie asked her if Illyana became normal again, she replies that she hopes to act like getting her soul back means she can feel normal again, in other words, she still feels like a monster regardless. When she told Colossus she's "back", I take it as an implication she's "herself" again.

As for the bloodstones, from X-infernus #2, the moment she got back her soulsword, she got back a fragment of her humanity as well so I believe the same applies to the stones.

See, this is where we will have to agree to disagree, because I read into those scenes between Pixie/Illyana and Illyana/Piotr completely different than you, 244.

It was never shown on panel that Illyana's soul was restored, only that she got her Bloodstones back. And, honestly, Illyana has always had her soul -- the Bloodstones just represented the demonic taint that Belasco imprinted in her. With each new Bloodstone, Illyana's demonic nature and dark magicks grew in influence -- but she never "lost" her soul. One could argue that, yes, she lost her humanity, so perhaps reclaiming her Bloodstones (and the Soulsword) is representative of restoring her humanity, but her soul? I have a hard time buying that.

Further, even if Illyana is no longer "demon girl", as you put it, she's still not the innocent Little Snowflake anymore. Girl has some serious psychological issues -- she almost destroyed the whole of existence to get revenge on the Elder Gods! She abused Pixie in the same manner Belasco abused her! Those aren't transgressions that can just be forgotten or wiped away just because she has some shiny gems now.

Unless you're Emma Frost, maybe...

My point is Illyana is a changed person, for better or worse. She's harder, more cunning, and clearly, more ruthless; having her "soul" back doesn't change that. Also, as it was never explicitly shown on panel that her demonic aspect is no more, I'm not going to buy that her hooves, tail and horns are suddenly gone. Illyana's line to Pixie that she's as real a girl as she hopes to act can be interpreted any number of ways, and her reunion with Piotr at the end, where she tells him "I'm back" could be viewed as Illyana just shutting Peter up once and for all and giving him what he wants so he doesn't constantly mope and whine about his sister being "gone". In essence, Illyana is merely playing a part, saying and doing what she *thinks* will make Piotr happy (the return of his "human" sister) while still feeling incomplete on the inside.

Moreover, Illyana's line to Xi'an about what she offered Legion in return for his help, that "everyone wants to come home... even the worst of us", followed by that cold stare she gave Karma at the end, implied to me that "demon girl" Illyana (or at least Damaged Girl Illyana) is not as gone as you might think.

Again, you see it your way, but I read that scene entirely different; it's completely ambiguous, and I think that was Wells' point. It'll be interesting to see what the next writer has in store for Illyana once Age of X concludes in April.

[Silent Sigh]

Damn!! I have to read the first volume of New Mutants.


I honestly feel the House of M Illyana is best ignored. It was wonderful seeing any version of her again back then, but there was a lot about her that didn't really make sense.


Yeah! Like SHIELD giving her the Soulsword, wtf?


See, this is where we will have to agree to disagree, because I read into those scenes between Pixie/Illyana and Illyana/Piotr completely different than you, 244.

It was never shown on panel that Illyana's soul was restored, only that she got her Bloodstones back. And, honestly, Illyana has always had her soul -- the Bloodstones just represented the demonic taint that Belasco imprinted in her. With each new Bloodstone, Illyana's demonic nature and dark magicks grew in influence -- but she never "lost" her soul. One could argue that, yes, she lost her humanity, so perhaps reclaiming her Bloodstones (and the Soulsword) is representative of restoring her humanity, but her soul? I have a hard time buying that.

Further, even if Illyana is no longer "demon girl", as you put it, she's still not the innocent Little Snowflake anymore. Girl has some serious psychological issues -- she almost destroyed the whole of existence to get revenge on the Elder Gods! She abused Pixie in the same manner Belasco abused her! Those aren't transgressions that can just be forgotten or wiped away just because she has some shiny gems now.

Unless you're Emma Frost, maybe...

My point is Illyana is a changed person, for better or worse. She's harder, more cunning, and clearly, more ruthless; having her "soul" back doesn't change that. Also, as it was never explicitly shown on panel that her demonic aspect is no more, I'm not going to buy that her hooves, tail and horns are suddenly gone. Illyana's line to Pixie that she's as real a girl as she hopes to act can be interpreted any number of ways, and her reunion with Piotr at the end, where she tells him "I'm back" could be viewed as Illyana just shutting Peter up once and for all and giving him what he wants so he doesn't constantly mope and whine about his sister being "gone". In essence, Illyana is merely playing a part, saying and doing what she *thinks* will make Piotr happy (the return of his "human" sister) while still feeling incomplete on the inside.

Moreover, Illyana's line to Xi'an about what she offered Legion in return for his help, that "everyone wants to come home... even the worst of us", followed by that cold stare she gave Karma at the end, implied to me that "demon girl" Illyana (or at least Damaged Girl Illyana) is not as gone as you might think.

Again, you see it your way, but I read that scene entirely different; it's completely ambiguous, and I think that was Wells' point. It'll be interesting to see what the next writer has in store for Illyana once Age of X concludes in April.

I completely agree, actually I thought she was pretending to be human in the end of the last issue of New Mutants, maybe that would make her believe that she is a "normal girl" now.

[Silent Sigh]

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[Ms.Lockheed]

aww I adored that issue <3<3<3<3

[244]

See, this is where we will have to agree to disagree, because I read into those scenes between Pixie/Illyana and Illyana/Piotr completely different than you, 244.

It was never shown on panel that Illyana's soul was restored, only that she got her Bloodstones back. And, honestly, Illyana has always had her soul -- the Bloodstones just represented the demonic taint that Belasco imprinted in her. With each new Bloodstone, Illyana's demonic nature and dark magicks grew in influence -- but she never "lost" her soul. One could argue that, yes, she lost her humanity, so perhaps reclaiming her Bloodstones (and the Soulsword) is representative of restoring her humanity, but her soul? I have a hard time buying that.

Further, even if Illyana is no longer "demon girl", as you put it, she's still not the innocent Little Snowflake anymore. Girl has some serious psychological issues -- she almost destroyed the whole of existence to get revenge on the Elder Gods! She abused Pixie in the same manner Belasco abused her! Those aren't transgressions that can just be forgotten or wiped away just because she has some shiny gems now.

Unless you're Emma Frost, maybe...

My point is Illyana is a changed person, for better or worse. She's harder, more cunning, and clearly, more ruthless; having her "soul" back doesn't change that. Also, as it was never explicitly shown on panel that her demonic aspect is no more, I'm not going to buy that her hooves, tail and horns are suddenly gone. Illyana's line to Pixie that she's as real a girl as she hopes to act can be interpreted any number of ways, and her reunion with Piotr at the end, where she tells him "I'm back" could be viewed as Illyana just shutting Peter up once and for all and giving him what he wants so he doesn't constantly mope and whine about his sister being "gone". In essence, Illyana is merely playing a part, saying and doing what she *thinks* will make Piotr happy (the return of his "human" sister) while still feeling incomplete on the inside.

Moreover, Illyana's line to Xi'an about what she offered Legion in return for his help, that "everyone wants to come home... even the worst of us", followed by that cold stare she gave Karma at the end, implied to me that "demon girl" Illyana (or at least Damaged Girl Illyana) is not as gone as you might think.

Again, you see it your way, but I read that scene entirely different; it's completely ambiguous, and I think that was Wells' point. It'll be interesting to see what the next writer has in store for Illyana once Age of X concludes in April.

I'll admit I may have been jumping to conclusions. I guess it would have been better if I didn't say anything about it until issue #25.

About the bloodstones, I agree that each piece represents a portion of the soul that became corrupted in the early comics but later writers suggested each of them represents a portion of a pure soul. From New Mutants #36, a demon was stealing Kitty Prydes soul but didn't say she was being corrupted, and when the demon's plan was thwarted, the bloodstone went back inside her. So the question is, which version do we prefer?

I have to disagree with you on the part of Illyana pretending to be human in front of Colossus because if she still remained the same, she wouldn't care enough to visit him. I don't think Colossus would care whether she's still a demon or human as long as she's there. She not only wanted to be human just for Colossus and Kitty, she wanted it for her self as well.

[NielsVanEekelen]

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<3

I'll see your adorable li'l Yana and raise you.


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[sunofdarkchild]

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<3

Is that issue considered canon?

[Raeden]

Damn!! I have to read the first volume of New Mutants.

Yes, yes you do.
It is pretty awesome.


I completely agree, actually I thought she was pretending to be human in the end of the last issue of New Mutants, maybe that would make her believe that she is a "normal girl" now.

Maybe she can try to act like a normal girl now that she doesn't have to worry about the whole elder gods deal. I know if I had a plan like that I would not be up for casual socialising.

Also, I reread Hellbound. I take back my negative comments towards it. Illyana was well portrayed. I especially liked the bit when Gambit told pixie he could make her strong like Yana. Take that Pixie!

[Kunoichi]

I'll see your adorable li'l Yana and raise you.


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8667/unl29yana.jpg
That is cute.

[Silent Sigh]

Is that issue considered canon?

I don't know if that series is in continuity, but... I think that event could fit without problem.



Also, I reread Hellbound. I take back my negative comments towards it. Illyana was well portrayed. I especially liked the bit when Gambit told pixie he could make her strong like Yana. Take that Pixie!

I always loved the consistency in Illyana's behavior when she was written by Yost or Wells.

In those X-Nation anthologies she was well portrayed too.