Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[NielsVanEekelen]

Illyana Rasputin.
Mutant. Sorceress. Baby Sister. Age and/or Death defying Russian.

So ....I ask the fans:

Would Ms.Rasputin be PRO or ANTI X-Force ?

Thoughts? Reasons?

I don't recall when/where this came up before, but I stand with what I said there. I think Illyana would be pro. Actually, she might be a lot like Logan in the series--she'd hate doing the kinds of things the Force does, and she'd hate seeing people like Rahne and James stain their souls, but she'd see the necessity of it. Taking out adversaries before they can harm her friends.

And after all, she's shown before that she's not afraid of using harsh methods on her enemies (tossing them to her demons in Limbo).

The secrecy would be perfect, because Illyana would not want her friends and especially her brother knowing she was involved in anything like this. Considering how long she kept what happened to her in Limbo from everyone, she'd have no trouble keeping this to herself, either.

If X-Force targets a mystical threat--maybe even when they go up against Selene--Illyana would be a logical and useful recruit. I'd love to see her reaction to what Rahne's been through recently, or see her interact with X-23. Plus, Illyana in an X-Force-style uniform would look awesome!

What do you think yourself?

[yanapryde]

I don't recall when/where this came up before, but I stand with what I said there. I think Illyana would be pro. Actually, she might be a lot like Logan in the series--she'd hate doing the kinds of things the Force does, and she'd hate seeing people like Rahne and James stain their souls, but she'd see the necessity of it. Taking out adversaries before they can harm her friends.

And after all, she's shown before that she's not afraid of using harsh methods on her enemies (tossing them to her demons in Limbo).

The secrecy would be perfect, because Illyana would not want her friends and especially her brother knowing she was involved in anything like this. Considering how long she kept what happened to her in Limbo from everyone, she'd have no trouble keeping this to herself, either.

If X-Force targets a mystical threat--maybe even when they go up against Selene--Illyana would be a logical and useful recruit. I'd love to see her reaction to what Rahne's been through recently, or see her interact with X-23. Plus, Illyana in an X-Force-style uniform would look awesome!

What do you think yourself?

I think I'd LOVE to see Illyana in an X-Force uniform. New Project for me!!

I believe she would be PRO X-Force for all the reasons you stated. Hell, she nearly blew the head off of The Animator (who killed Doug) before tossing him into Limbo (which I loved. Very "I left his fate to chance. Chance has razor sharp teeth and claws, but still..." )

I miust also agree that I'd very much enjoy witnessing her reaction to Rahne's developments and I've ALWAYS been in favor of Illyana meeting X-23.

And I LOVE your new avatar!

[NielsVanEekelen]

I think I'd LOVE to see Illyana in an X-Force uniform. New Project for me!!

:biggrin:
With the mask and the glowy red eyes! Think Laura and 'Yana are about the same size?

And I LOVE your new avatar!

That Smirk of Doom (as I've titled that file) is probably my favorite art from the entire issue.

[yanapryde]

:biggrin:
With the mask and the glowy red eyes! Think Laura and 'Yana are about the same size?

Yes. In my head, they share similar dimensions and could easily swap uni's. ha ha.

That Smirk of Doom (as I've titled that file) is probably my favorite art from the entire issue.

Smirk of Doom. I like that. Also....definitely HANDS DOWN my favorite image from the first issue. What added to my love for it is that it was repeated. The first panel sans dialouge implying that she paused and stared at Amara briefly before adding her biting question is just pure gold. You can just feel the room cool in that panel as she looks at her. Ugh! I love it!

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana Rasputin.
Mutant. Sorceress. Baby Sister. Age and/or Death defying Russian.

So ....I ask the fans:

Would Ms.Rasputin be PRO or ANTI X-Force ?

Thoughts? Reasons?

I actually think anti. It may be different now, but pre-Fall of the Mutants she knew better than most the dangers of killing in anger.

And I remember that story where Illyana was the bad guy that Excaliber had to fight. That was my favourite Excaliber story. It was awsome seeing the snowflake beat all of Excaliber, alternate versions of Captain Britain and Psilock, and an anti-metahuman task force by herself, not breaking a sweat, and on EARTH, no less. She didn't even teleport everyone to Limbo.

But I don't remember how it ended. Rachel aka Pheonex confronted Illyana and somehow the latter's powers disappeared? What am I not remmbering?

[NielsVanEekelen]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/2661/prv2661_pg5.jpg (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=2661&disp=table)

My my my, who's that at bottom right of the first panel? :smile:

[kk1]

I actually think anti. It may be different now, but pre-Fall of the Mutants she knew better than most the dangers of killing in anger.

And I remember that story where Illyana was the bad guy that Excaliber had to fight. That was my favourite Excaliber story. It was awsome seeing the snowflake beat all of Excaliber, alternate versions of Captain Britain and Psilock, and an anti-metahuman task force by herself, not breaking a sweat, and on EARTH, no less. She didn't even teleport everyone to Limbo.

But I don't remember how it ended. Rachel aka Pheonex confronted Illyana and somehow the latter's powers disappeared? What am I not remmbering?

Illyana goes full demon and starts kicking ass and that dimensions Betsy (the last time she was in the pink outfit with butterfly effect?) realizes only Phoenix can stop her (she had been too weak from all the powerings to Widget to cross dimensions) so she restores Phoenix's strength and Rachel takes away Illyana's magic power (possession? even she isn't sure ) and turns her back into a normal girl.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Illyana goes full demon and starts kicking ass and that dimensions Betsy (the last time she was in the pink outfit with butterfly effect?) realizes only Phoenix can stop her (she had been too weak from all the powerings to Widget to cross dimensions) so she restores Phoenix's strength and Rachel takes away Illyana's magic power (possession? even she isn't sure ) and turns her back into a normal girl.

Yup! And sadly, that all happens in #23--no Yana in #24. :frown:

[yanapryde]

When can we expect the next X-Position with ZEB WELLS??
Tuesday? Wednesday? Thursday? ??

[NielsVanEekelen]

When can we expect the next X-Position with ZEB WELLS??
Tuesday? Wednesday? Thursday? ??

Always on Wednesdays, I believe.

[Peter F.]

Always on Wednesdays, I believe.

I thought Tuesdays

[SayOcean]

Yup! And sadly, that all happens in #23--no Yana in #24. :frown:

wait so that was in excalibur 23???

[NielsVanEekelen]

wait so that was in excalibur 23???

Yup. Illyana was clearly the star of the issue. I suppose they were afraid she would just take over the book entirely if they let her stick around another issue. :wink:

[SayOcean]

Yup. Illyana was clearly the star of the issue. I suppose they were afraid she would just take over the book entirely if they let her stick around another issue. :wink:im about to go check out the excalibur from the beginning thread but was it an alternate reality Magik....

[NielsVanEekelen]

So, just now, I was watching Leverage and replying on New Mutants threads at the same time, and I started thinking...

Beth Riesgraf = Illyana Rasputin
http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Content/090202/News/Todays_News_Our_Take/2_tues/090203beth-riesgraf1.jpghttp://www.popculturemadness.com/interview/pics/Leverage-Beth.jpghttp://cliqueclack.s3.amazonaws.com/tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/beth-riesgraf010608.jpg

In fact, I challenge someone to Photoshop this image (rather big, so not embedded) (http://thetvlegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leverage_beth-riesgraf-4_ph-michael-muller.jpg) into a New Mutants uniform. Should be very doable. For people who know their Photoshop.

(I still support Rachel Nichols in the role of Illyana, but Riesgraf makes a fine added option.)

im about to go check out the excalibur from the beginning thread but was it an alternate reality Magik....

Yeah, this was during Excalibur's Cross-Time Caper, which had a different reality pretty much every issue.

[MuhollandDriver]

*upchucks a mango*

[kk1]

So, just now, I was watching Leverage and replying on New Mutants threads at the same time, and I started thinking...

Beth Riesgraf = Illyana Rasputin
.


Face is too long Illyana has a wide short face.

[SayOcean]

hmmm it grows on you....i didnt like her at first but now that im a lil buzzed I can get used to it...but can she pull off the bitch attitude

[Justin K.]

Magik returning has got me wondering, does she even know about Emma Frost leading the X-men? In Quest for Magik, the X-men were ported to Limbo, including Emma Frost before she sent them all off. At the end of X-Infernus, we see Magik and Colossus together, but Emma is there too. When Illyana died, Emma was in a coma, but still presumabely a villain at the time, so she did not see Emma reform, plus she was too young.

With Illyana coming back as a teen, does she have her memories as a New Mutant? If so, why hasn't she reacted to Emma leading the X-men/ Emma being on the team? If she can remember her friends, why not other things of the past? Does Illyana still dislike Emma? Has this ever been explored at all yet? Any plans of that? I mean, during the New Mutants, the Hellions were lead by Emma Frost.

[yanapryde]

this may seem utterly ridiculous but did / does anyone read Illyana's dialouge with a Russian accent?

It JUST occured to me the other day that she might HAVE an accent but I'd never read her as having one.

And then I thought, WOULD she?
Of course she would as a child, in her earlier appearances. But having been raised in Limbo for an approximate 7 odd years, would her accent remain? I don't know how that works.
If Peter retained HIS accent, it stands to reason that Illyana would too, right? No?

WHAT SAY YOU ALL, FANS?

[NielsVanEekelen]

If anything, she should probably have a demonic or Limbonic accent. Illyana was taken out of a Russian-speaking environment at a much younger age than Piotr, after all, I think that would leave less traces of an accent.

People have an aptitude to easily learn new languages up till a certain age, which I'm reasonably sure is higher than seven. Now, I don't think it's made entirely clear what language(s) her instructors in Limbo spoke to her, seeing how she spoke only Russian when she got there, but if it was English, I don't think she'd have much of an accent. Really, you pick up the accent of people around you quicker than you think, too.

But I have a weakness for characters who use the occasional Russian word or phrase, so da, I'm all for more of it!

Dosvidanya!

[sunofdarkchild]

My image of a Russian accent is Chekov from Star Trek.

"I am looking for nuclear wessels. Nuu-clee-arrr wess-ssels." He he. Priceless.

I think Illyana would have at most a weak Russian accent after her time in Limbo. From Belasco she'd have picked up...Italian, right? She'd have a little of Storm's accent. From Kat she'd have picked up a little Chicago. I don't want to know what she picked up from S'ym.

Another question is, after seven years in Limbo, how much Russian does she remember? She spoke in Russian immediately after coming out of Limbo, but I don't think she did so again until she was deaged.

[SayOcean]

she never had one during her orginal stint as a New mutant right? and didnt storm and kitty help raise her in limbo and im sure they didnt speak with a russian accent, and i think when she first came to hte mansion Prof X gave her a quick english lesson in her head so she could commincate with people....so...yeah i dont see how she would have an accent

[yanapryde]

well thanks y'all for the speedy answers/opinions.
:biggrin:

[tlp0708]

This is who I posted for Illyana in the "Pick an Actor" thread.

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTExNzk3NjcwMjleQTJeQWpwZ15BbWU3MDYzNjk3NTE@._ V1._CR0,0,297,297_SS100_.jpg

Thoughts?

[Justin K.]

well thanks y'all for the speedy answers/opinions.
:biggrin:

Yet no one answered my question...
Limbo language!?Then again, at least you can get an answer!!!!!

[yanapryde]

Magik returning has got me wondering, does she even know about Emma Frost leading the X-men? In Quest for Magik, the X-men were ported to Limbo, including Emma Frost before she sent them all off. At the end of X-Infernus, we see Magik and Colossus together, but Emma is there too. When Illyana died, Emma was in a coma, but still presumabely a villain at the time, so she did not see Emma reform, plus she was too young.

With Illyana coming back as a teen, does she have her memories as a New Mutant? If so, why hasn't she reacted to Emma leading the X-men/ Emma being on the team? If she can remember her friends, why not other things of the past? Does Illyana still dislike Emma? Has this ever been explored at all yet? Any plans of that? I mean, during the New Mutants, the Hellions were lead by Emma Frost.

My bad. Allow me to take some time now, to address your inquiries justinkos91.

My guess is that Illyana has yet to be updated on the current status of mutant kind in general. According to Amara, after Illyana returned to earth with the X-Men, she did not stick around. She left (we find out she was in the future, according to Illyana) and upon her return, she and Sam and the gang went on a mission to retrieve Dani and Shan.
So.....Illyana has yet to be brought up to speed on several current changes since her resurrection.:smile:

[NielsVanEekelen]

Yet no one answered my question...
Limbo language!?Then again, at least you can get an answer!!!!!

Sorry, but your questions was stuff we've already discussed fairly to death here. And sadly, the best answer we have for most of them so far is, as Robert Jordan used to say, RAFO. (Read And Find Out.)

[Justin K.]

Sorry, but your questions was stuff we've already discussed fairly to death here. And sadly, the best answer we have for most of them so far is, as Robert Jordan used to say, RAFO. (Read And Find Out.)

I don't come here often.
Sorry if I am out of the loop on Magik.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I don't come here often.
Sorry if I am out of the loop on Magik.

No, no, 's okay, just explaining why we didn't dive onto your questions like we usually do with anything Magik-related. Just nothing we can say with certainty yet. :frown:

[sunofdarkchild]

"I see this incarnation of Illyana as much more connected to Limbo and her responsibilities there, so she might not be as affected by those traumatic events as you (or the rest of the New Mutants) might think."

I don't like the sound of that. Hopefully he means that she is affected by those events but won't let them visibly affect her.

Being more connected to her responsibilities in Limbo is good, though. Maybe it means that we'll se more spells.

[Twisted Bliss]

"I see this incarnation of Illyana as much more connected to Limbo and her responsibilities there, so she might not be as affected by those traumatic events as you (or the rest of the New Mutants) might think."

I don't like the sound of that. Hopefully he means that she is affected by those events but won't let them visibly affect her.

Being more connected to her responsibilities in Limbo is good, though. Maybe it means that we'll se more spells.

Have faith.

I'm interpreting that as meaning she needs to be humanized. Her sojurn in limbo has desensitized her to human life. The familial bonds need to be reestablished, as do friendships. She will be almost 'terminator' style in her approach for almost a year with her gradually softening and becoming more playful in her interaction with the others marking her progression towards being the Illyana of old and also finding aspects of herself my restore some parts of her lost soul.

[Dry Observer]

If Doug is resurrected as he was and if Illyana is still the age she was during Inferno, hey, they would be the only two minors on the team, so they wouldn't have many options...:tongue:

But I maintain that Illyana was only ever interested in Kitty.

(Snip)

I always figured somehow, somewhy, Illyana couldn't be aged further than the age she would be when she turned into the Darkchild completely. As for her bond with Kitty, see my comment above.
(Snip)

Alternatively, Illyana is basically a True Immortal as ruler of Limbo. Hence, she can naturally age to full maturity, but can't really be aged into decrepitude or death -- at least not in the timespan that would affect an ordinary mortal.

[Dry Observer]

Love Magik's look: Powerful, deadly, gorgeous.

Karma's got a huge rack, and doesn't seem to care that she's in the middle of a battle.

Doug is floating and looks like he's made of glass, and cracking.

Dani is on drugs.

Warlock is floating like Doug and seems unusually large and mean.

Sam is the only one wearing a mask and......has a large trail behind him.

Magma, like Karma, doesn't seem to know there's a battle going on.

Sunspot=Peter Pan's shadow. I'll get Peter some soap.

Well, it is a cover scene. Having said that, Amara could be raising an earthquake or a volcano, or about to, and it wouldn't be obvious -- she'd be concentrating more down than forward.

As for Karma -- get used to her standing still. There's no power signature, but she basically just concentrates to take people out, she doesn't do that much gymnastics or martial arts. (Though she does do some -- see Asgardian Wars...)

[Dry Observer]

I'd agree with each of these. Although the ultra Magik fan in me hopes she's closer to the 19 end of that age spectrum. Simply so that she is closer to their ages.
And yes, I too believe that Fraction was...we'll say...misinformed (?):wink:

Older teenager seems about right -- 18-19. That makes her noticeably younger than the others, which brings them all a lot closer to her level. :cool:

Illyana: "Sam, I'm not a little girl. You need to stop thinking of me as...

Sam: "'Yana, I've never thought of you as a little girl. I didn't think of you as 'just a little girl' when you were de-aged and actually were a little girl, and ah definitely don't think of you as one now." :rolleyes: :cool:

[tunasammiches]

I'm pretty excited to see how she's gonna get re-integrated into the X-Men again. I was hoping to see more of her in the New Avengers Sorcerer Supreme storyline, but I guess I'll settle for that cameo.

Anyways, I was inspired to draw her so I did:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/tunasammiches/Portfolio%20Art/magictotallyfinal2.jpg

[yanapryde]

I'm pretty excited to see how she's gonna get re-integrated into the X-Men again. I was hoping to see more of her in the New Avengers Sorcerer Supreme storyline, but I guess I'll settle for that cameo.

Anyways, I was inspired to draw her so I did:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v317/tunasammiches/Portfolio%20Art/magictotallyfinal2.jpg

thats fantastic tunasammiches!
really great!
fans ought to post more fan art in here!
You hear me fans!?

[kk1]

thats fantastic tunasammiches!
really great!
fans ought to post more fan art in here!
You hear me fans!?

Aren't there "Draw me an X" threads for that?

[NielsVanEekelen]

I'm pretty excited to see how she's gonna get re-integrated into the X-Men again. I was hoping to see more of her in the New Avengers Sorcerer Supreme storyline, but I guess I'll settle for that cameo.

Anyways, I was inspired to draw her so I did:


Oh, very nice!

Yeah, the more I thought about it, the more reasons I came up with why Illyana would make a good choice for Sorceress Supreme, but alas... Still, there's another issue of the arc left she can turn up in.

[Obsidian Thought]

But isn't her magical abilites limited on Earth? Or has her powerset changed since the Infernus Arc? I read she can only do basic level spells and her sword can't hurt anyone, accept Kitty, physically....how doe Illyana handle herself in a fight on Earth?

[yanapryde]

Aren't there "Draw me an X" threads for that?

SHOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHH!:wink:

[tunasammiches]

Aren't there "Draw me an X" threads for that?

I couldn't find the Draw Me an X: Magik thread.

[244]

Now that Magik is back, I hope she's kept like from Magik LS and New Mutants classic #14 - #17 and not the americanized version Claremont butchered starting #21. I liked her better when her mannerisms are a bit like her brother's. The problem I had with Claremont's interpretation of Illyana Rasputin is he kind of ignore the dual nature and personality of Illyana a bit and I hope that is brought up in New Mutants vol. 3.

Illyana's story from X-infernus will continue in New Mutant's and Zeb Wells mentioned something like "she's a creature of two worlds at this point" and the way I interpret it is she'll have her humanity back fully and not tied to anything demonic or magical.

[kk1]

Now that Magik is back, I hope she's kept like from Magik LS and New Mutants classic #14 - #17 and not the americanized version Claremont butchered starting #21. I liked her better when her mannerisms are a bit like her brother's. The problem I had with Claremont's interpretation of Illyana Rasputin is he kind of ignore the dual nature and personality of Illyana a bit and I hope that is brought up in New Mutants vol. 3.
.

o_O r u serious the Asgard story is one of the best Illyana stories ever!

[244]

I kind of disagree. The Magik Limited Series and the Quest for Magik story arc from New X-men were the best in my opinion. It's like a coming of age story for Illyana and figuring out who and what she is. I feel she has an identity crisis because of the good and evil sides of her soul she thinks if her true self is a human or a demon. As for the Quest For Magik, Kyle and Yost did an awesome job bringing back Illyana as Darkchilde.

As for my gripe of Claremont's interpretation of Illyana, I don't sometimes think of him as a bad writer. In fact the Legion story arc was my favorite.

[yanapryde]

I think it was Louise Simonsen or whatever her name was that more-so shifted Illyana into the 80's mall brat type of character.

I preffered her defiant, biting and creepy.... but pretty :smile:

[244]

I don't think even the dark side of Illyana is defiant maybe defiant when necessary like from NM classic #46. If you recall from #21 and several ones after that Claremont kind of did made her like the mall rat stereotype after #20 (not to mention her characterization seem a bit inconsistent) and I think Louise Simonson got the information from it and took if a little bit too far.

[NielsVanEekelen]

If you recall from #21 and several ones after that Claremont kind of did made her like the mall rat stereotype after #20

Oh, just a demonnapped witchgirl trying to escape from her angst and pretend she's normal!

[244]

I suppose it could be that way but I never liked that interpretation of her because she was born and raised in a russian countryside and then kinapped and trapped in limbo for half of her life and all of a sudden behaving lile an all american girl by issue #21? I agree with snowdarkchild or whatever her/his username is about her intrrpretation between #14- #17. I think when the good side of Illyana isn't all angsty, she sometimes behave childlike towards her loved ones but generally has a quiet personality.

[sunofdarkchild]

Now that Magik is back, I hope she's kept like from Magik LS and New Mutants classic #14 - #17 and not the americanized version Claremont butchered starting #21. I liked her better when her mannerisms are a bit like her brother's. The problem I had with Claremont's interpretation of Illyana Rasputin is he kind of ignore the dual nature and personality of Illyana a bit and I hope that is brought up in New Mutants vol. 3.

Illyana's story from X-infernus will continue in New Mutant's and Zeb Wells mentioned something like "she's a creature of two worlds at this point" and the way I interpret it is she'll have her humanity back fully and not tied to anything demonic or magical.

Here, here. My favourite interpretation of Illyana was the one in New Mutants volume 1 issue 14. I hated the party girl attitude she developed in the slumber party issue.

Although I think that issue 14 was Claremont's true vision for Illyana and not the mall rat she sometimes seemed. The sudden loss of powers on earth and the wierd personality change after the demon bear saga were unfortunate consequences of a sorceress who defeated one of the X-Men's most powerful enemies by herself and literally survived and grew up in hell joining a team of half trained teenagers. Claremont had to limit her powers and personality to keep her from dominating the rest of the team. My ultimate 'what if' for comics is 'what if the Magik limited series had continued as a permanent monthly series?' or 'what if Illyana had revealed her powers after escaping Limbo and joined the X-Men before the creation of the New Mutants?' With either of those options I think her unique character would have been far better explored.

My other 'what ifs' are 'what if the folks at Marvel decided to let Jean Grey stay dead and not retconned the insurpassable Dark Pheonex Saga?' and 'what if they let Claremont keep his story about Magneto reforming and taking over the Xavier institute?'

[sunofdarkchild]

Oh, just a demonnapped witchgirl trying to escape from her angst and pretend she's normal!

Always possible. I'd be a very happy camper if it would be stated in subsequent issues to explain her personality quirks. Even then, it can't explain why she'd take the initiative to invite a large group of strangers to a slumber party none of her friends wanted in the first place, although Dani was rather pleased with the party.

[244]

Here, here. My favourite interpretation of Illyana was the one in New Mutants volume 1 issue 14. I hated the party girl attitude she developed in the slumber party issue.

Although I think that issue 14 was Claremont's true vision for Illyana and not the mall rat she sometimes seemed. The sudden loss of powers on earth and the wierd personality change after the demon bear saga were unfortunate consequences of a sorceress who defeated one of the X-Men's most powerful enemies by herself and literally survived and grew up in hell joining a team of half trained teenagers. Claremont had to limit her powers and personality to keep her from dominating the rest of the team.

I'm glad our feelings are mutual about the weird shift of Illyana's personality. I've checked this other forum and one of the posters said Illyana shouldn't have been in the New Mutants team or comic because her story is very advance and she's a complex character. I think it would be better if she had her own comic run.

I like what Zeb Wells is doing with her characterization; the dark side of Illyana is supposed to be evil, twisted and creapy and he seemed to nail it right although I prefer Illyana's little snowflake personality from the good side of her soul. I hope he can make the two sides of her being evident as in knowing which is the twisted version of her or the true good Illyana.

[yanapryde]

X-Infernus collection comes out this coming week!

Although its the hardcover version (which I don't prefer) but still....exciting!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Whooo!

My limited shelf space prefers softcovers too, but this one I ordered in fancypants format.


By the way, looks like Illyana will have another one-shot appearance in New Avengers #54. That's three whole shots of her spread over four issues of story! :tongue:

[yanapryde]

Whooo!

My limited shelf space prefers softcovers too, but this one I ordered in fancypants format.


By the way, looks like Illyana will have another one-shot appearance in New Avengers #54. That's three whole shots of her spread over four issues of story! :tongue:

Another headshot in a sphere? :rolleyes:

[244]

I've found something interesting about Illyana's mental health. Here's the link:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.5925.Psych_Ward~colon~_Magik

[NielsVanEekelen]

Another headshot in a sphere? :rolleyes:

How on Earth did you guess? :tongue:

I've found something interesting about Illyana's mental health. Here's the link:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.5925.Psych_Ward~colon~_Magik

Ah, yes--that one was cool. :biggrin: (I'd actually think it very interesting to see X-characters in therapy for their trauma. Problem is, if you acknowledge one needs it, you have to acknowledge that they practically all need it.)

[yanapryde]

I've found something interesting about Illyana's mental health. Here's the link:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.5925.Psych_Ward~colon~_Magik

Thanks for the link 224!
I'd been unaware that Magik was given a spotlight int he Psych Ward files on Marvel. Thank you kindly!
It was very entertaining to read (as are all of Magik's dossiers)

[NielsVanEekelen]

Other books than New Avengers can give Illyana cameos, too! :smile:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=2833&pg=6

Her lack of bangs make her barely recognizable, but that must be her. :tongue: There even appears to be a darker skinned Roberto in the foreground! Here's hoping Utopia will bring many Mutie appearances!

[yanapryde]

Other books than New Avengers can give Illyana cameos, too! :smile:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=2833&pg=6

Her lack of bangs make her barely recognizable, but that must be her. :tongue: There even appears to be a darker skinned Roberto in the foreground! Here's hoping Utopia will bring many Mutie appearances!

I was going to cry color error.
Since Dazzler appears in the first preview page wearing a pink top, so I assumed that Petey was holding onto his sister but now I think its Dazzler and Illyana is NEXT to her....?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Hm, you're right, that is Dazzler's top. But nah, from the way Piotr is standing, I'm just going to asume Illyana mugged Alison for her outfit. :wink:

[yanapryde]

Hm, you're right, that is Dazzler's top. But nah, from the way Piotr is standing, I'm just going to asume Illyana mugged Alison for her outfit. :wink:

Well I've come to the conclusion that it is NOT Dazzler as well.
Seeing as how the team at Greymalkin is watching the riot in progress (I assume) and none of those involved in the riot are present at Greymalkin....it CAN'T be Dazzler.
I still think that she (the girl being held by Colossus) needs to swap heads with the girl to her right.
THAT way, we ( I )could accept her presence more freely (with the BANGS) and assume that she is standing beside Magma. Yes No?

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I think it depends on the artist. Illyana from X-men origins: Colossus and X-men god loves man kills (the 80's one) didn't have any bangs on even as her darkchild self from Quest for Magik story ark and when she was first drawn by John Romita jr on Uncanny X-men from the 80's. I'm going to assume the blonde girl in pink clothes with Colossus is Illyana. Originally Illyana didn't have straight bangs when she was first introduce in Giant Sized X-men.

[kk1]

she has to have bangs

http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/photos/2002/176/6548612_1025130706.jpg

she's Heather O'Rourke from Poltergiest

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Speaking of which, I've been meaning to post a picture of Illyana from the New Mutants variant cover:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/25807/771694-newmutants_01_benjaminvariant_super.jpg

The image was drawn from a chinese illustrator who does manhua is Benjamin Bin Zhang. I like it not just as an Illyana fan but her rendition looks beautiful to look at although there are some who would disagree otherwise.

[sunofdarkchild]

she has to have bangs

http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/photos/2002/176/6548612_1025130706.jpg

she's Heather O'Rourke from Poltergiest

Ok. That's a little wierd that you put that picture up.

Anyway, was there a time before New Mutants issue 18 when Illyana had straight bangs? I think that was the first time she was drawn that way, but of course that art was so iconic that it defined for a while what the characters looked like.

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I read Bill Sienkiewicz used Heather O'Rourke for reference to draw Illyana for the New Mutants. I'll admit Illyana looks attractive with the straight bangs on but I kind of prefer them without just to make her look like a plain girl, pretty but plain.

[NielsVanEekelen]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3879/whatthe2.jpg

Lo and behold, for I have found what must be the greatest depiction of Illyana in any official Marvel comic ever!

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1180/whatthe1.jpg
From What the--!? #1. I like What the--!?. I have #1-4, and Illyana pops up in all of them.

[Bolebeau]

...Smegma? What the flying fuck? xD Was this comic rated NC-17?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Hm, missed some posts somehow.

I read Bill Sienkiewicz used Heather O'Rourke for reference to draw Illyana for the New Mutants.

Cool, didn't know that.

Anyway, was there a time before New Mutants issue 18 when Illyana had straight bangs? I think that was the first time she was drawn that way, but of course that art was so iconic that it defined for a while what the characters looked like.

She had bangs in her appearances in New Mutants #1 and 3, but her hair wasn't straight yet. By the time she became a main character in #14, it had straightened out some, but not entirely yet.

No character that has been around for decades gets drawn entirely consistently for all that time, but you're right that that's Illyana's defining look, and it's been used as consistently as those things ever are.

[NielsVanEekelen]

...Smegma? What the flying fuck? xD Was this comic rated NC-17?

It was the 80's, when all those drugs Marvel took in the 70's hadn't quite worn off yet. :wink:

[chemicalx]

Speaking of which, I've been meaning to post a picture of Illyana from the New Mutants variant cover:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/25807/771694-newmutants_01_benjaminvariant_super.jpg

The image was drawn from a chinese illustrator who does manhua is Benjamin Bin Zhang. I like it not just as an Illyana fan but her rendition looks beautiful to look at although there are some who would disagree otherwise.

which issue is it from? I must have it!

[4sake]

which issue is it from? I must have it!

A different cover on New Mutants Vol 3 # 1

http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=18873702

[sunofdarkchild]

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3879/whatthe2.jpg

Lo and behold, for I have found what must be the greatest depiction of Illyana in any official Marvel comic ever!

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1180/whatthe1.jpg
From What the--!? #1. I like What the--!?. I have #1-4, and Illyana pops up in all of them.

Whoa! "What the!!??!!!!!!" is right! Please upload more if you can. (And....did Warlock call Magneto "snookums?" oy vey.)

So, will we get an explanation as to what happened to Illyana before New Mutants issue 1 in the coming issue or will we have to wait until issue 4 when she also gets into Legion's head?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Whoa! "What the!!??!!!!!!" is right! Please upload more if you can. (And....did Warlock call Magneto "snookums?" oy vey.)

So, will we get an explanation as to what happened to Illyana before New Mutants issue 1 in the coming issue or will we have to wait until issue 4 when she also gets into Legion's head?

Zeb's said that he has Illyana-centric plotlines for a year/several years (don't recall exactly), so we may have to wait much longer.

Also, did the second image just vanish from my post? Let's try that again.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1180/whatthe1.jpg

Edit: And now the image is back. Oh well, whatever.

[Quinnhop]

lol!! Smegma?! Snookums?! What the eff.

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So, will we get an explanation as to what happened to Illyana before New Mutants issue 1 in the coming issue or will we have to wait until issue 4 when she also gets into Legion's head?

You know I was going to write something similar to this about Illyana going to be trapped in Legions mind and i have a question about it: for those who know about Illyana's opposing personalities being complete opposites(one good, the other half evil), will there be two Illyana's in Legion's mind to represent the duality of her soul or will she just remain as one?

[yanapryde]

You know I was going to write something similar to this about Illyana going to be trapped in Legions mind and i have a question about it: for those who know about Illyana's opposing personalities being complete opposites(one good, the other half evil), will there be two Illyana's in Legion's mind to represent the duality of her soul or will she just remain as one?

I did not see this post when it was initially..uh..posted.
And then the forum itself was blasted back into the lists, without my knowing.

So.
Two Illyana's would be SWEET! Especially with Karma inside with them to witness it as well. And I would imagine the two Illyana's would also, or could also, cause further conflict inside Legion's mind, alongside Karma, possibly assisting in her opposition.
I doubt that will occur.
But it would be really freakin' sweet!
I'd really like for one of the teammates, especially Karma, to be witness to the battle that Illyana fights internally and provide a sympathetic eye, or maybe even a cautious eye, out of fear.

[yanapryde]

Also... although I stand by my enthusiasm to have Kristen Bell play the live adaptation of Illyana in a film about the New Mutants...or tv series (both of which will never happen, dispite unyielding fanboyism).... after having seen PUSH... I wouldn't be opposed to seeing how Dakota would handle the role.

I may be in the minority but I was impressed with her chops in PUSH.http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/01/PUSH_DakotaFanning_CassieHolmes-thumb-500x361-12137.jpg

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I did not see this post when it was initially..uh..posted.
And then the forum itself was blasted back into the lists, without my knowing.

So.
Two Illyana's would be SWEET! Especially with Karma inside with them to witness it as well. And I would imagine the two Illyana's would also, or could also, cause further conflict inside Legion's mind, alongside Karma, possibly assisting in her opposition.
I doubt that will occur.
But it would be really freakin' sweet!
I'd really like for one of the teammates, especially Karma, to be witness to the battle that Illyana fights internally and provide a sympathetic eye, or maybe even a cautious eye, out of fear.

More like the Darkchilde side complicating things than the little snowflake personality I would imagine but like you said, it may not happen, but I hope it does when the new New Mutants comic gets to Illyana's story arc that's connected with X-infernus.

[Talisman]

lol!! Smegma?! Snookums?! What the eff.
I think Smegma is the gunk that festers around an uncircumcised penis if it's not cleaned properly.

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Also... although I stand by my enthusiasm to have Kristen Bell play the live adaptation of Illyana in a film about the New Mutants...or tv series (both of which will never happen, dispite unyielding fanboyism).... after having seen PUSH... I wouldn't be opposed to seeing how Dakota would handle the role.

I may be in the minority but I was impressed with her chops in PUSH.http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/01/PUSH_DakotaFanning_CassieHolmes-thumb-500x361-12137.jpg

I guess she could be a good choice (although I didn't see the movie "Push") as long she can pull off the dual nature of Illyana's personality and soul. Like I said from one of my other posts, Illyana's characterization is sort of tricky to do so reading every comic that has to do with Illyana needs to be taken to account and noting the steps and missteps to her characterization.

The part you mentioned about her russian accent, I can notice she still retains it in Zeb Wells New Mutants because notice her speech pattern.

What I like about what Wells doing with the New Mutants comic is he's being faithful to the characterizations and personalities of all the characters from the New Mutants classic. Karma's characterization from Uncanny X-men by Brubaker and Fraction (or maybe just Fraction but don't think I'm insulting him) was just awful.

[sunofdarkchild]

Two Illyana's would be SWEET! Especially with Karma inside with them to witness it as well. And I would imagine the two Illyana's would also, or could also, cause further conflict inside Legion's mind, alongside Karma, possibly assisting in her opposition.
I doubt that will occur.
But it would be really freakin' sweet!
I'd really like for one of the teammates, especially Karma, to be witness to the battle that Illyana fights internally and provide a sympathetic eye, or maybe even a cautious eye, out of fear.

I was never a fan of the "two Illyanas" shtic, but that was how it was handled in places like the Asgardian Wars (which was still awsome.), but this idea really would be sweet! Karma is the perfect witness (except for maybe Rahne, who definately won't be there) given what happened with the Shadow King in the Fat Karma story.

Imagine if Legion could leech part of Illyana's bad side to become another personality. Then again, the darkchylde personality could overwhelm the other personalities and become the sole dominant one.

As a side note, I'm picturing Illyana entering Karma's/Legion's head the way Ororo entered little Illyana's soul back in the first issue of the Magik limited series. Probably not, but it would be cool.

[pryde15]

http://th08.deviantart.net/fs39/300W/i/2008/364/5/b/magik_by_snareser.jpg

Found this on DeviantART! Cute as can be.

[SayOcean]

Also... although I stand by my enthusiasm to have Kristen Bell play the live adaptation of Illyana in a film about the New Mutants...or tv series (both of which will never happen, dispite unyielding fanboyism).... after having seen PUSH... I wouldn't be opposed to seeing how Dakota would handle the role.

I may be in the minority but I was impressed with her chops in PUSH.http://scifiwire.com/assets_c/2009/01/PUSH_DakotaFanning_CassieHolmes-thumb-500x361-12137.jpg
I was pretty much surprised at dakota's acting in push as well, it was a pretty good movie, but i dont think she could handle the craziness and awesomeness that is illyana, though as she gets older...she might handle a role similar to illyanas personality....you never know

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I was never a fan of the "two Illyanas" shtic, but that was how it was handled in places like the Asgardian Wars (which was still awsome.), but this idea really would be sweet! Karma is the perfect witness (except for maybe Rahne, who definately won't be there) given what happened with the Shadow King in the Fat Karma story.

Imagine if Legion could leech part of Illyana's bad side to become another personality. Then again, the darkchylde personality could overwhelm the other personalities and become the sole dominant one.

As a side note, I'm picturing Illyana entering Karma's/Legion's head the way Ororo entered little Illyana's soul back in the first issue of the Magik limited series. Probably not, but it would be cool.

When I posted the "two Illyanas" idea, I was thinking Illyana would divide into two right when she enters Legion's mind since all of Legion's personalities are from different people's minds and since the dual nature of Illyana have their own minds as well but yours and Yanapryde's idea based from mine sounds better.

[yanapryde]

When I posted the "two Illyanas" idea, I was thinking Illyana would divide into two right when she enters Legion's mind since all of Legion's personalities are from different people's minds and since the dual nature of Illyana have their own minds as well but yours and Yanapryde's idea based from mine sounds better.

I thought you meant that, in Legion's mind, her consciousness would be split into her human psyche and her demon psyche.....two separate aspects that make up Illyana as a whole.

Unrelated: Here is my version of X-Force Magik!

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It's true that Illyana's and Darkchilde's psyche are connected and are a part of each other but they're different beings with their own way of doing things. You know, without the Illyana psyche, I think Darkchilde would become truly evil (I'm thinking the way it was like from the Quest for Magik story arc from New X-men).

Nice picture of Magik as an X-force member you drew. She would be an ideal member to the team to strike fear and brutality against her enemies, but the question is, how much can the true Illyana endure dirtying her hands even more?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Unrelated: Here is my version of X-Force Magik!

Sweeeet! :biggrin:

[NielsVanEekelen]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21960

It is... beautiful!

(Although I'm not crazy about the non-Illyana images and the New Mutants' lack of representation in the border is shameful. But Illyana and the border drawing are awesome!)

[Daniel Mengsk]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/database/haydenpanettiere/hayden_panettiere300.jpg

How about this girl to play Illyana?

[pryde15]

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/database/haydenpanettiere/hayden_panettiere300.jpg

How about this girl to play Illyana?

Hayden Pannetiere? I don't know about that, I'm not sure she could pull it off.

[Daniel Mengsk]

Hayden Pannetiere? I don't know about that, I'm not sure she could pull it off.

You know, I could have posted a picture of Megan Fox. lol

How about "Serena"?

http://theweightinggame.ivillage.com/dietfitness/blake-lively-400ds0905.jpg

I'm not so sure about Blake though....she doesn't look that russian to me.

[k.i.n.g.]

she's Heather O'Rourke from Poltergiest

She always reminds me of Illyana when I watch that film (and her life outside of it mirrors as well).

I think Ana Sophia Robb would be a good cast for a young Magik:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t128/TheATMProfessor/AnnaSophia67.jpg

Random video interview: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=55010883

[sunofdarkchild]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=21960

It is... beautiful!

(Although I'm not crazy about the non-Illyana images and the New Mutants' lack of representation in the border is shameful. But Illyana and the border drawing are awesome!)

Oh my. That New Mutants cover is indeed...beautiful. Much better than the cover of New Mutants volume 1 issue 45.

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If there's going to be a Marvel vs Capcom 3 game, I hope Magik shows up in the character roster. Imagine seeing Morrigan and Darkchilde going head to head.

[MuhollandDriver]

love those covers. i remember those issues when they came out in the 80s...how beautiful. The New Mutants issue was the one with the boy committing suicide.

Illyana hasn't looked better.

What the f*ck is that salmon scalped grig doing on that cover.

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I think Pixie is awesome (at least written under Kyle and Yost and before she was corrupted by Darkchilde)

[MuhollandDriver]

But i am quite impressed that they took a chance and put Cipher in there with the rest!

[sunofdarkchild]

If there's going to be a Marvel vs Capcom 3 game, I hope Magik shows up in the character roster. Imagine seeing Morrigan and Darkchilde going head to head.

I was actually thinking of how a video game with Illyana would play. It would be an rpg where you chose to fight using a) spells, b) the soul sword, and c) summoning a demon to do the dirty work for you (sort of like Pikmin or Overlord). Maybe you could fight with your fists as well, and teleporting out would always be an option. Overusing a) and c) or fighting too visciously would turn you more evil like in KOTOR. Maybe there'd be multiple endings, with a huge fight against Belasco and saving the world, joining Belasco and ruling the world, or killing Belasco AND destroying the world because you've turned so evil.

All that's needed is a developer.

[MuhollandDriver]

Illyana is prime for Ultimate Alliance or, even better, X-Men Legends.

Great melee with soulsword, some spell flinging, teleporting, summoning demons...her version of beserker rage is darkchylde rage....good mojo i tell You!

[SayOcean]

Oh my. That New Mutants cover is indeed...beautiful. Much better than the cover of New Mutants volume 1 issue 45.nawwww the orginal cover was much cooler illyana looked good and she looked like shewas about to kill you

I think Pixie is awesome (at least written under Kyle and Yost and before she was corrupted by Darkchilde)uhhh why is that in here

[244]

I was actually thinking of how a video game with Illyana would play. It would be an rpg where you chose to fight using a) spells, b) the soul sword, and c) summoning a demon to do the dirty work for you (sort of like Pikmin or Overlord). Maybe you could fight with your fists as well, and teleporting out would always be an option. Overusing a) and c) or fighting too visciously would turn you more evil like in KOTOR. Maybe there'd be multiple endings, with a huge fight against Belasco and saving the world, joining Belasco and ruling the world, or killing Belasco AND destroying the world because you've turned so evil.

All that's needed is a developer.

You know, I was thinking about it as well and it would be cool to have an RPG version of Magik and you came up with a lot of good ideas. I've got a couple as well: the story should be an even paced with good character developement and the soundtracks should contain symphony orchestras and death metal (not the mediocre kind) for the demon/limbo parts. Here's what I think Magik's limbo should look like:
http://www.guiltygear.ru/images/gallery/back_ggxxac_hell.png
(It's an image from the fighting game Guilty Gear. Worth playing it)

uhhh why is that in here

I was responding to MuhollandDriver's comment.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Illyana is prime for Ultimate Alliance or, even better, X-Men Legends.

Great melee with soulsword, some spell flinging, teleporting, summoning demons...her version of beserker rage is darkchylde rage....good mojo i tell You!

I understand she was actually in X-Men Legends, if only as a little girl to be saved. Never played the game myself, but someone wouldn't happen to have a screenshot?

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=244;9262517]You know, I was thinking about it as well and it would be cool to have an RPG version of Magik and you came up with a lot of good ideas. I've got a couple as well: the story should be an even paced with good character developement and the soundtracks should contain symphony orchestras and death metal (not the mediocre kind) for the demon/limbo parts.QUOTE]

Symphony orchestras meaning actual syphonies like Beethoven's or Mozart's, or meaning original scores orchestrated for the game instead of compressed music like they sometimes have? Not sure about about the death metal; I'd prefer orchestrated music throughout. You're right about character development. That would be half the point of the game. If it doesn't have good character development then there is no point of making it a Magik game.

What I'm thinking for its production would be that Bioware (the guys who did KOTOR and Mass Effect) and High Voltage Software would make it a Wii game since the wii controller would be best for soul sword fighting and spell casting (especially with the new Wii Motion Plus). High Voltage Software would use its quantum 3 engine to make the graphics good and there Sega connections to get advertising out.

And an unlockable commentary by Chris Claremont (and maybe Stan Lee!) would be cool.

[SayOcean]

She always reminds me of Illyana when I watch that film (and her life outside of it mirrors as well).

I think Ana Sophia Robb would be a good cast for a young Magik:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t128/TheATMProfessor/AnnaSophia67.jpg

Random video interview: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=55010883

isnt that the chick from the bridge to terabitha

[MuhollandDriver]

I understand she was actually in X-Men Legends, if only as a little girl to be saved. Never played the game myself, but someone wouldn't happen to have a screenshot?

It was the Russian Pollyanna version. Her role consisted of being in bed with the Legacy Virus Oogies.

Not the version we love.

[Drey]

I used to always see Heather O'Rourke as child Illyana. As for the teenage Illyana, I've always looked to Patricia Arquette when she was in A Nightmare on Elm Street 3. I use her voice when I'm reading Illyana's lines.

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/factor82/kristen1.jpg

I also saw Heather Lagkenkamp (Nancy Thompson) as Kitty Pryde and I use her voice for Kitty too. "Nancy and Kristen" had a close relationship just like Kitty and Yana. :biggrin:

http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab90/factor82/nancy2.jpg

Too bad people have to get old. They'd have been perfect choices in the 80s/early 90s, IMO.

[SayOcean]

I agree with you Ive alwyas pictued illyana as having all the features people usually assoicate with innocence....blonde hair blue eyes cute smile, but twisted in some unseen way that shows shes been corrupted and good choice for kitty

[Drey]

I agree with you Ive alwyas pictued illyana as having all the features people usually assoicate with innocence....blonde hair blue eyes cute smile, but twisted in some unseen way that shows shes been corrupted and good choice for kitty

Thanks! :biggrin:

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I understand she was actually in X-Men Legends, if only as a little girl to be saved. Never played the game myself, but someone wouldn't happen to have a screenshot?

Illyana from X-men Legends was actually the same age from the New Mutants except X-men Legends doesn't tie in with Ultimate X-men or the main continuity.

[SayOcean]

She's awesome

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When Illyana will regain the rest of her innocent soul and become whole again after her story arc from the new New Mutants by Zeb Wells, what's going to happen to her soulsword? Since it was forged through her remaining innocent soul from Magik #4 LS, will it become stronger or will it cease to exist if she server ties with anything that has to do with sorcery as well?

[Drey]

When Illyana will regain the rest of her innocent soul and become whole again after her story arc from the New Mutants, what's going to happen to her soulsword? Since it was forged through her remaining innocent soul from Magik #4 LS, will it become stronger or will it cease to exist if she server ties with anything that has to do with sorcery as well?

Her soulsword will most likely remain the same. Her personality will just be more good than evil.

Her soulsword was created from her soul, but her soul was slightly tainted with darkness at the time she created it. She could not create an acorn (life), because she was filled with hate and wanted revenge. So a weapon worked instead.

I wonder what they're going to do about the part of Illyana's soul (child Illyana) that was last seen as a ghost?

[MuhollandDriver]

Why are we assuming she will regain her soul back?

Did Wells state this?

Illyana without her darkchylde/limbo/soulsword aspects is like Wolverine without his claws.

She just returned to 616 proper. Let's enjoy her as she is.

[Drey]

Why are we assuming she will regain her soul back?

It's a subplot that's been left open for both Illyana and Pixie.

Illyana without her darkchylde/limbo/soulsword aspects is like Wolverine without his claws.

She'd still have all of those aspects even with her whole soul though, just like she was up until Inferno when she had both her amulet and soulsword.

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"She'll definitely be a permanent member of the team, but we'll be playing a lot with Illyana's role and where she fits in because she's really a creature of two worlds at this point." (it's from Zeb Wells interview and Illyana's and Pixie's story from X-infernus will pick up in New Mutants vol. 3 so I'm assuming there's going to be a good chance they'll come back to normality.)
Dani Moonstar lost her mutant powers but doesn't mean it detered her character.
What I roughly remember Claremont saying is poweres doesn't define a character.
I wouldn't mind Illyana taking a back seat of the comics after her story arc because that girl really needs a break after everything she's been through and done.

[MuhollandDriver]

Illyana doesn't need to take a backseat. She took one after Inferno and that lasted over a decade.

Powers do not define a character. Nonetheless..stripping a character of elements that have shaped them and made them quite popular is a risky bet.

Would Wolverine be as interesting without his claws? It's hard to say...maybe with the correct writer.

There are many reasons to love Illyana....a big part of that is her odyssey with Limbo and her Darkchylde form.

i don't see Wells wrapping that up just like that. Magik proper just returned. She needs to..well...be Magik for awhile.

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I understand your point of view about Magik needs to be Magik for a while.
One thing that bugged me about the New Mutants classic is Illyana was in her Darkchilde personality for a while between maybe #29 - #73 but the explaination for that was she was convinced her Darkchilde persona was the real her and her human one was just a facade (although fans who know her well would know it's not true). I wished Claremont made her go evil only during times of crisis.
What I like about what Wells is doing for the New Mutants book is he seemed to really care for the characters and that's the selling point for being a comic book writer. All of the character's personalities and connections with everything remained true.

[NielsVanEekelen]

When Illyana will regain the rest of her innocent soul and become whole again after her story arc from the new New Mutants by Zeb Wells, what's going to happen to her soulsword? Since it was forged through her remaining innocent soul from Magik #4 LS, will it become stronger or will it cease to exist if she server ties with anything that has to do with sorcery as well?

I don't think that will ever happen. She will always have a bit of demon inside her, only the balance of which side of her is more in charge will change.

Like Mulholland said, taking the Limbo out of Illyana entire would take away a large part of her coolness.

She'd still have all of those aspects even with her whole soul though, just like she was up until Inferno when she had both her amulet and soulsword.

But she didn't have her entire soul before Inferno--she lost a bit almost immediately after Belasco took her.

"She'll definitely be a permanent member of the team, but we'll be playing a lot with Illyana's role and where she fits in because she's really a creature of two worlds at this point." (it's from Zeb Wells interview and Illyana's and Pixie's story from X-infernus will pick up in New Mutants vol. 3 so I'm assuming there's going to be a good chance they'll come back to normality.)
Dani Moonstar lost her mutant powers but doesn't mean it detered her character.
What I roughly remember Claremont saying is poweres doesn't define a character.
I wouldn't mind Illyana taking a back seat of the comics after her story arc because that girl really needs a break after everything she's been through and done.

I don't read that in Zeb's comment at all. Quite the opposite, it sounds like he'll keep her demoniac side a big part of her and the story.

As for powers not defining a character, perhaps a better comparison than Wolverine losing his claws is Wolverine losing his animalistic instincts and troubled past.

Illyana's magical abilities are far more than just powers--they reflect an internal struggle that has influenced every major decision she's made since she got them in a way that's not really comparable to Dani.

I wonder what they're going to do about the part of Illyana's soul (child Illyana) that was last seen as a ghost?

I'm sure the ghost of Steve Rogers who Thor spoke with can look after her. :wink:

[Drey]

But she didn't have her entire soul before Inferno--she lost a bit almost immediately after Belasco took her.

Yeah, that's right. I see her eventually going back to her 80s status quo of only having a bit of her soul missing. Once she regains her amulet, she needs to turn it into energy or something and place it inside her body so that it can't be easily taken again.

Off topic, I was reminded of something similar to the bloodstone storyline when I saw Poltergeist: The Legacy last week. It starred one of the main characters' daughter who had innate psychic powers and had an evil friend that manipulated her into using witchcraft to enhance those powers. They'd use an amulet with 5 points on it and needed to drain a bit of life force from 5 people that made them stronger each time they used it.

I'm sure the ghost of Steve Rogers who Thor spoke with can look after her. :wink:

Haha, I guess the ghost of Psylocke that Paige spoke to will be there as well. :tongue:

[sunofdarkchild]

I don't think that they're going to remove the Darkchylde aspect of Illyana anytime soon. Otherwise they would have done it at X-Infernus. She'll stay the wild card/bad@$$ of the New Mutants for the forseeable future.

[The Black Guardian]

I wouldn't want Yana's soul quest to be that rapid. She needs to win a few, then misstep and fall a bit, then win a few more, until she's almost cleansed. And this needs to be stretched out over the next 20 years of stories. :tongue:

[244]

I don't think that will ever happen. She will always have a bit of demon inside her, only the balance of which side of her is more in charge will change.

Like Mulholland said, taking the Limbo out of Illyana entire would take away a large part of her coolness.



But she didn't have her entire soul before Inferno--she lost a bit almost immediately after Belasco took her.



I don't read that in Zeb's comment at all. Quite the opposite, it sounds like he'll keep her demoniac side a big part of her and the story.

As for powers not defining a character, perhaps a better comparison than Wolverine losing his claws is Wolverine losing his animalistic instincts and troubled past.

Illyana's magical abilities are far more than just powers--they reflect an internal struggle that has influenced every major decision she's made since she got them in a way that's not really comparable to Dani.



I'm sure the ghost of Steve Rogers who Thor spoke with can look after her. :wink:

Nice points you came up and I kind of felt embarrassed of my rambling.
Well I'll admit Illyana's demonic side did added coolness to it but who knows, status quos can sometimes change.
I'll be really looking forward to her story arc which will take place in the third or fourth one according to what Mr. Wells said so we'll probably have to wait for a year, and I hope the New X-men become involve in her arc, they were the coolest.

[244]

Unrelated: Here is my version of X-Force Magik!

Yanapryde, alright if I ink and color your drawing?

[Leogam]

would Illyana still be interesting if she got her soul back & stopped using magic, and just became mutant with teleporting power

BTW is there a Colossus Appreciation Thread ?

[SayOcean]

would Illyana still be interesting if she got her soul back & stopped using magic, and just became mutant with teleporting power

BTW is there a Colossus Appreciation Thread ?her power is to access limbo right...or thats what she teleports through so it would be kinda wonky for her not to be able to do magic but i guess she'll be like nightcrawler and just go through limbo in a split second, though not sure how practical her power would be since she travels through time and space and without being in limbo to kinda guide her theres no telling where you'd end up

[sunofdarkchild]

To get the thread moving again.

Has anyone thought about what it would be like to have Magik be in the next Super Smash Brothers? Soul sword for standard attacks, spells for special B moves, and a final smash with either a transformation into the Darkshyde or the summoning of dozens of demons.

Ah, the world of fantasy.

[yanapryde]

To get the thread moving again.

Has anyone thought about what it would be like to have Magik be in the next Super Smash Brothers? Soul sword for standard attacks, spells for special B moves, and a final smash with either a transformation into the Darkshyde or the summoning of dozens of demons.

Ah, the world of fantasy.

What is Super Smash Brothers? And how would Illyana be in it?

[244]

To get the thread moving again.

Has anyone thought about what it would be like to have Magik be in the next Super Smash Brothers? Soul sword for standard attacks, spells for special B moves, and a final smash with either a transformation into the Darkshyde or the summoning of dozens of demons.

Ah, the world of fantasy.

I'm thinking Magik should make a special appearance as part of the character roster for either these two fighting games called "Guilty Gear" or "Blazblue" because between the two, it's like a fantasy genre but with rock music references with the touch of the demonic aspects of it and she seems really fitting for it. I can see her becoming into her Darkchilde personality or say a badass line like "I am the mistress of Limbo. Stand in my way and you will perish!" while raising her arm to summon her soulsword in her opening intros before fighting. She'll have like an instant kill or astral finish involving teleporting her opponent to Limbo and her demon pets devourer him/her while laughing demonically.

[sunofdarkchild]

What is Super Smash Brothers? And how would Illyana be in it?

Super Smash Brothers is a videogame where dozens of Nintendo characters duke it out and try to knock each other off the stage. Non Nintendo characters were added to the last version, but no, Illyana has a 0% chance of being in the next one.

If you have a Wii, get Super Smash Brothers Brawl. It is really awesome.

Guilty Gear, hm. That is probably a better fit for Illyana than Smash.

[yanapryde]

Is anyone able to post a scan of a particular Illyana image?

I'm referring to her brief panel moment in a flashback, recently, during that Uncanny arc where Colossus was dealing with that Russian Tattooed guy and his gang and then he freed a bunch of potential prostitutes.

Anyone have that image of Illyana ? Able to post?
Much obliged!!

[sunofdarkchild]

Is anyone able to post a scan of a particular Illyana image?

I'm referring to her brief panel moment in a flashback, recently, during that Uncanny arc where Colossus was dealing with that Russian Tattooed guy and his gang and then he freed a bunch of potential prostitutes.

Anyone have that image of Illyana ? Able to post?
Much obliged!!

I actually haven't bought an Uncanny book since the end of Messiah Complex, so I don't have that image. Come to think of it, I don't know how to scan anyways.

Do you know which number issue it was in? That would help people who have the comic scan it or even help me or others find it somewhere online.

[Peter F.]

In this recent interview (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8896.Tuesday_Q%26A~colon~_Rick_Remend er) Rick Remender, writer of the upcoming Doctor Voodoo Avenger of the Supernatural series, mentioned Illyana as something Doctor Strange left undone.

Jericho is basically that eager guy on the job who's trying to in his first week fix everything that his predecessor has left undone. There's zombies breaking through the dimensional barrier and creeping into our world. Vampires are taking over London. A child of Limbo is living in San Francisco. The Son of Satan in living five doors down from him in New Orleans.

In that same interview Remender mentions the Blood Stones. What are the chances that Illyana and Pixie will show up in this new series?

[MuhollandDriver]

i sure as hell hope so.

This is an ongoing series, right? i'd love to have Illyana more involved in the supernatural/mystical community of Marvel. The cosmic line is great, let's get a mystic one going.

[4sake]

In this recent interview (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8896.Tuesday_Q%26A~colon~_Rick_Remend er) Rick Remender, writer of the upcoming Doctor Voodoo Avenger of the Supernatural series, mentioned Illyana as something Doctor Strange left undone.


In that same interview Remender mentions the Blood Stones. What are the chances that Illyana and Pixie will show up in this new series?

I would love to see Magik, but not Pixie..

[244]

Is anyone able to post a scan of a particular Illyana image?

I'm referring to her brief panel moment in a flashback, recently, during that Uncanny arc where Colossus was dealing with that Russian Tattooed guy and his gang and then he freed a bunch of potential prostitutes.

Anyone have that image of Illyana ? Able to post?
Much obliged!!

Could this be it?:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/19940/695203-colossuss_21_super.jpg

[NielsVanEekelen]

In this recent interview (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8896.Tuesday_Q%26A~colon~_Rick_Remend er) Rick Remender, writer of the upcoming Doctor Voodoo Avenger of the Supernatural series, mentioned Illyana as something Doctor Strange left undone.


In that same interview Remender mentions the Blood Stones. What are the chances that Illyana and Pixie will show up in this new series?

Oh, excellent, excellent! Remender has never impressed me terribly, but I'd be more than happy to give him another chance. :biggrin:


244, yup, that's from Uncanny #505, although I'm fairly sure the original showed more of Illyana.

[Peter F.]

Twitter news (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8767.SDCC_2009~colon~_Marvel_Animatio n_Panel) from the Marvel Animation Panel at SDCC.

Colossus and Magik in Wolverine and the X-men Season 2.

Hopefully Pixie gets her Soul Dagger power-up in the show.

[yanapryde]

Twitter news (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8767.SDCC_2009~colon~_Marvel_Animatio n_Panel) from the Marvel Animation Panel at SDCC.

Colossus and Magik in Wolverine and the X-men Season 2.

Hopefully Pixie gets her Soul Dagger power-up in the show.

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!!
I JUST IMPLODED.

Thanks Seikun21!!!!! OH I'm so so excited to see MAGIK FINALLY ANIMATED!!

Best news all day.
Well....best news outside of Necrosha!
AND Illyana possibly appearing in that new title mentioned earlier.
Okay okay so any Magik news is good news. Hooray!!!

[coveredinbees]

Neat about the Magik. Was she in the teaser or did they announce it?

[yanapryde]

Neat about the Magik. Was she in the teaser or did they announce it?

YES YES please do tell!

[Peter F.]

YES YES please do tell!

They showed images of Season 2. Apparently one image had Havok. And another had Colossus and Illyana.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Twitter news (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8767.SDCC_2009~colon~_Marvel_Animatio n_Panel) from the Marvel Animation Panel at SDCC.

Colossus and Magik in Wolverine and the X-men Season 2.

Hopefully Pixie gets her Soul Dagger power-up in the show.

I was just coming to post that. :biggrin:

From the Newsarama panel report:

Colossus and Magik ... ok, i'm excited for this one, despite the ugly boots hes wearing.

Fingers crossed that she's actually at Magik age and not li'l Illyana. (Wonder if they got Tara Strong to voice her, just like in the 90's series. She's already in this series too!)

[yanapryde]

I was just coming to post that. :biggrin:

From the Newsarama panel report:



Fingers crossed that she's actually at Magik age and not li'l Illyana. (Wonder if they got Tara Strong to voice her, just like in the 90's series. She's already in this series too!)

YES! SCORE!
And yes....she MUST be at MAGIK age...rather than a wee toddler following Peter around.

[NielsVanEekelen]

They also report on this new "Marvel Anime" thing. You know... A girl with a big sword, monstrous demons... Put Illyana in a school uniform (a non-Xavier school, that is) and she's perfect for the Japanese market!:cool:

[yanapryde]

Could this be it?:
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/19940/695203-colossuss_21_super.jpg

Yes this is the image...although a little more to the left would have been nice.
All the same...THANKS!

And now I'm dying to know what kind of story they'll use to include Magik in the animated show. It likely won't fall precisely into actually history, like most of the stories on the show but I'm going nuts now wanting to see what she looks like.

I hope someone at the CON taped the viewing and posts it on YouTube or puts an image here on CBR.

side note: Peter looks hot there.

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As much as I like Illyana, I don't think she'll be an important character for Wolverine and the X-men season 2 because I don't think she's popular in a mainstream sense nowadays unlike the 80's(no offense Magik fans). She'll probably have the same role like from X-men the animated series.

[yanapryde]

As much as I like Illyana, I don't think she'll be an important character for Wolverine and the X-men season 2 because I don't think she's popular in a mainstream sense nowadays unlike the 80's(no offense Magik fans). She'll probably have the same role like from X-men the animated series.

It will likely be a one episode storyline featuring her....but...still....ANIMATED MAGIK!

Thats really all I'm concerned about.
Whatever capacity....I'm thrilled she's incorporated!

[244]

It was good having Illyana making her appearance in X-men the animated series although she was the same age like from The New Mutants (but then again the cartoon didn't follow specifically from the comics but it's still good).

[244]

I saw an image of Illyana and the rest of the New Mutants in the X-force art:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/889561-1248457442.jpg

I'm guessing they're in it to bring back Wolfsbane.

[MuhollandDriver]

i imagine Wolfsbane might cross paths with them....but i believe Warlock and Cypher are going to be the focus.

[sunofdarkchild]

Animated MAGIK?! Wahooooo!

Though most of the audience for Wolverine and the X-Men are probably younglings who've never heard of Illyana

Does that pick two posts above mean that the New Mutants are getting some Messiah War action?

[244]

based on the interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22196) I've read, it's not going to be like a traditional crossover like the Messiah War. Chris Yost says if you read X-force, you'll get the full story of the upcoming arc called "Necrosha".

[blinkinrogue]

Twitter news (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.8767.SDCC_2009~colon~_Marvel_Animatio n_Panel) from the Marvel Animation Panel at SDCC.

Colossus and Magik in Wolverine and the X-men Season 2.

Hopefully Pixie gets her Soul Dagger power-up in the show.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0907/29/index.htm

[NielsVanEekelen]

Found this:
Fine said that Colossus will be getting an introductory storyline with his sister, Magik, and that Colossus will be returning as a regular character in the second season. Colossus was only briefly seen at the beginning of the first season before exiting the show so far.
On Toonzone.net (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/30619/sdcc2009-wolverine-and-the-x-men-season-2-character-preview)

:biggrin:

[yanapryde]

Found this:

On Toonzone.net (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/30619/sdcc2009-wolverine-and-the-x-men-season-2-character-preview)

:biggrin:

So I guess if they havne't leaked an IMAGE of Magik on the show by now...it ain't gonna happen huh?
The comicscontinuum site showed Deadpool...but no Magik.

Le Sigh.

[NielsVanEekelen]

So I guess if they havne't leaked an IMAGE of Magik on the show by now...it ain't gonna happen huh?
The comicscontinuum site showed Deadpool...but no Magik.

Le Sigh.

Yeah, I don't know what the world is coming to, that everything shown at SDCC wasn't photographed and videoed on cell phones and put online within hours. :frown:

[SayOcean]

Did I mention that Magik was AWESOME

[yanapryde]

Yeah, I don't know what the world is coming to, that everything shown at SDCC wasn't photographed and videoed on cell phones and put online within hours. :frown:

That's all I'm sayin'.
My friend was able to go but I haven't heard from him about photos yet.
I'm PRAYING he took some during the Animation Panel.

[244]

Did I mention that Magik was AWESOME

She's more awesome now that she's being written under Zeb Wells. Wells seems to have a love and respect for Illyana as well as the rest of the characters in New Mutants and thank goodness she's no longer americanized.

[244]

For those who don't know who Witchfire the daughter of Belasco is, she was an ex-member of Alpha Flight who was an amnesiac named Ananym. Ananym was taught sorcery by Shaman. Here's the complete article (http://www.comicvine.com/witchfire/29-26481/) of her.

[SayOcean]

She's more awesome now that she's being written under Zeb Wells. Wells seems to have a love and respect for Illyana as well as the rest of the characters in New Mutants and thank goodness she's no longer americanized.americanized?

[244]

You'll have to read everything of Illyana in New Mutants classic and note some aspects of her that's off even prior to #21. Here you have a russian girl who spent most of her developemental years in Russia and Limbo than America and if you re-read #21 and beyond, you'll notice she's been americanized judging by her speech pattern and personally, I find it an insult to her character. Zeb Wells did justice to her by placing her back to her russian roots hence her slightly broken english dialogue. As her Darkchilde persona, she speaks good english the way Belasco speaks.
I hope it's the last time I bring it up again and I don't mean any disrespect to Chris Claremont but I feel he's done a diservice to Illyana's character in the later issues of New Mutants classic.

[yanapryde]

Here is a sketch I did at work of Magik in an individualized costume.
Its something I'd like her to wear post matching uniforms.

I'm going to do a colored version tonight probably.:smile:

[SayOcean]

I thought xavier dumped english in illyana head.....so i woudlnt think she'd have an accent

[yanapryde]

I thought xavier dumped english in illyana head.....so i woudlnt think she'd have an accent

Given the circumstances around her resurrection, I think it's safe to say that Illyana is different then we previously knew her.
She speaks english currently, obviously, but she seems to have her russian accent (which I enjoy) and she's got her memories (as far as we can tell)...

I'm just eagerly awaiting further explanation to her current condition as human again. Its so wrong of me to say that I wish I could jump ahead several issues to find out what is going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, I am psyched for the last part of THIS arc and the 'in between' issue back at the X-HQ and her involvement in NECROSHA but I really wanna know NOW NOW NOW!

sigh.

[Darkchylde]

Given the circumstances around her resurrection, I think it's safe to say that Illyana is different then we previously knew her.
She speaks english currently, obviously, but she seems to have her russian accent (which I enjoy) and she's got her memories (as far as we can tell)...

I'm just eagerly awaiting further explanation to her current condition as human again. Its so wrong of me to say that I wish I could jump ahead several issues to find out what is going to happen.

Don't get me wrong, I am psyched for the last part of THIS arc and the 'in between' issue back at the X-HQ and her involvement in NECROSHA but I really wanna know NOW NOW NOW!

sigh.


Isn't she still mostly demonic with a wee-bit of humanity? Like she told Sam in the recent New Mutants issue, "How do you know that I have a self left to lose?" (or something like that).

What I'm curious about is Illyana's whereabouts between the end of X-Infernus and the start of New Mutants: Illyana appeared to be time-hopping (she said Amara told her where to find the girl, Marci, a year from now, and also commented that she'd traveled a long distance to rescue Xi'an because "she's too important), so where did she go?

Also, how good of a fighter is Magik? It's pretty much established that she's good with weapons (notably a sword and even a battle axe), and she's had combat training from Cat; but compared to other fighters such as Psylocke or Wolverine, how good is she? In a fight between Magik and another contender, like Psylocke, Dani, or, well, anyone, who would win?

[yanapryde]

Isn't she still mostly demonic with a wee-bit of humanity? Like she told Sam in the recent New Mutants issue, "How do you know that I have a self left to lose?" (or something like that).

What I'm curious about is Illyana's whereabouts between the end of X-Infernus and the start of New Mutants: Illyana appeared to be time-hopping (she said Amara told her where to find the girl, Marci, a year from now, and also commented that she'd traveled a long distance to rescue Xi'an because "she's too important), so where did she go?

Also, how good of a fighter is Magik? It's pretty much established that she's good with weapons (notably a sword and even a battle axe), and she's had combat training from Cat; but compared to other fighters such as Psylocke or Wolverine, how good is she? In a fight between Magik and another contender, like Psylocke, Dani, or, well, anyone, who would win?


YES! Where was she and what was she doing? And how is Xi'an important, aside from the obvious being that's she cool. Does she serve a specific purpose in the future that Illyana is hell-bent to ensure she is present for?

As far as Mgaik's fighting ability, I would argue that Psylocke and Dani would win against her in combat, sans mutant powers. Psylocke is a super ninja and Dani has been trained by S.H.I.E.L.D. and they're a pretty big deal.
I think her training is much more in the use of sword-play more than anything else.

But ya...where did Illyana rush off to? Did she just skip out to Limbo to check on it's status, post Infernus insanity? So many questions and we're not likely to get all the answers anytime soon either with the size of the cast of the New Mutants, currently, and post Necrosha, the cast will be changed.....allegedly.
New additions? Vacancies? what?

[sunofdarkchild]

Isn't she still mostly demonic with a wee-bit of humanity? Like she told Sam in the recent New Mutants issue, "How do you know that I have a self left to lose?" (or something like that).

What I'm curious about is Illyana's whereabouts between the end of X-Infernus and the start of New Mutants: Illyana appeared to be time-hopping (she said Amara told her where to find the girl, Marci, a year from now, and also commented that she'd traveled a long distance to rescue Xi'an because "she's too important), so where did she go?

Also, how good of a fighter is Magik? It's pretty much established that she's good with weapons (notably a sword and even a battle axe), and she's had combat training from Cat; but compared to other fighters such as Psylocke or Wolverine, how good is she? In a fight between Magik and another contender, like Psylocke, Dani, or, well, anyone, who would win?

Illyana seems a lot more compassionate and empathetic than she was when she was missing her complete soul. As the darkchylde Marci's disappearence wouldn't have concerned her at all.

A lot of the next issue or 2 will probably be devoted to explaining what happened with Illyana in the future, unless the want to keep it a mystery to make the rest of the team suspicious of her.

I'd say that Magik is better than Kitty and Dani with a sword, but not as good as Wolverine. Remember, her training with Cat wasn't some danger room session. It involved surviving in the wilds of Limbo and defending herself against ferocious demons. To survive she had to learn very fast and be pretty darn skilled.

She's also probably a lot stronger than her size and physique would suggest, as her fight against Cat in the Magik lm issue 3 between the ages of 10 and 13 was the equivilent of wrestling a tiger at the least. Illyana needed to be very strong to wrestle Cat at that point and break her neck.

[Arachne]

Here is a sketch I did at work of Magik in an individualized costume.
Its something I'd like her to wear post matching uniforms.

I'm going to do a colored version tonight probably.:smile:

I really like that. Looking forward to the colour version.

[244]

YES! Where was she and what was she doing? And how is Xi'an important, aside from the obvious being that's she cool. Does she serve a specific purpose in the future that Illyana is hell-bent to ensure she is present for?

As far as Mgaik's fighting ability, I would argue that Psylocke and Dani would win against her in combat, sans mutant powers. Psylocke is a super ninja and Dani has been trained by S.H.I.E.L.D. and they're a pretty big deal.
I think her training is much more in the use of sword-play more than anything else.

But ya...where did Illyana rush off to? Did she just skip out to Limbo to check on it's status, post Infernus insanity? So many questions and we're not likely to get all the answers anytime soon either with the size of the cast of the New Mutants, currently, and post Necrosha, the cast will be changed.....allegedly.
New additions? Vacancies? what?

You know the scene when Illyana went back to the present in the new New Mutants #1 with the arrows through her armor and spotted the New X-men outside? Given the fact she said the line "they're still here. There's time", I'm guessing the New X-men are going to play an important role in her story arc.
I have a feeling the resurrected Illyana's dark side has become more evil leaning than ever so there might be a possibility she'll betray her team. Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind seeing her as a villain and Claremont did planned her of becoming one in the Inferno crossover.

[244]

Isn't she still mostly demonic with a wee-bit of humanity? Like she told Sam in the recent New Mutants issue, "How do you know that I have a self left to lose?" (or something like that).

Actually what Illyana said to Sam was "What makes you so sure that I have a self to lose?" and it's the scene when she was going to retrieve Karma's mind from Legion.
When Darkchilde retrieved her soulsword in X-infernus, she got back a piece of her humanity since her soulsword was forged through her remaining innocent soul as seen in Magik limited series but she's still corrupted only partially. All the information you read about the soulsword in Excalibur written by Warren Ellis, forget all of that since it contradicts with the original written material.

[NielsVanEekelen]

YES! Where was she and what was she doing? And how is Xi'an important, aside from the obvious being that's she cool. Does she serve a specific purpose in the future that Illyana is hell-bent to ensure she is present for?

Remember when we were discussing who would get the romance that Zeb teased and I suggested Illyana and Xi'an? Maybe we'll get a Rictor/Shatterstar moment when they're finally reunited in the flesh. :tongue:

That would certainly make Xi'an important to Illyana. Although, if it's based on something happening in the future Yana went to, Xi'an is in for a surprise!

[NielsVanEekelen]

You know the scene when Illyana went back to the present in the new New Mutants #1 with the arrows through her armor and spotted the New X-men outside? Given the fact she said the line "they're still here. There's time", I'm guessing the New X-men are going to play an important role in her story arc.
I have a feeling the resurrected Illyana's dark side has become more evil leaning than ever so there might be a possibility she'll betray her team. Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind seeing her as a villain and Claremont did planned her of becoming one in the Inferno crossover.

Oooh, where do you get that about Claremont's plans? I've seen a bunch of stories about what he had planned when he left, but never the details about Illyana's story.

[244]

I was reading from a different forum but I'm not sure if the info is true or not but still, I think it would be cool if Illyana becomes a villain.

[Darkchylde]

Actually what Illyana said to Sam was "What makes you so sure that I have a self to lose?" and it's the scene when she was going to retrieve Karma's mind from Legion.
When Darkchilde retrieved her soulsword in X-infernus, she got back a piece of her humanity since her soulsword was forged through her remaining innocent soul as seen in Magik limited series but she's still corrupted only partially. All the information you read about the soulsword in Excalibur written by Warren Ellis, forget all of that since it contradicts with the original written material.


Illyana's soul is 3/5 demonic, as Belasco forged three Bloodstones from her soul, meaning she is more than partially corrupted. The Soulsword was forged from her soul (both good and bad portions, I assume - the Magik limited series never expressly stated which) after Illyana realized that what she most desired was revenge on Belasco (after multiple failed attempts to create a peaceful construct like Storm had done with her acorn tree). The Soulsword was created as a weapon of vengeance.

Oh, and trust me, I have long since learned to discard ANYTHING pertaining to the Soulsword in Excalibur written by Scott Lobdell and Warren Ellis.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I was reading from a different forum but I'm not sure if the info is true or not but still, I think it would be cool if Illyana becomes a villain.

It could be cool--as long as she gets to be redeemed (or gets to struggle for redemption) after a while. :smile:

[244]

Illyana's soul is 3/5 demonic, as Belasco forged three Bloodstones from her soul, meaning she is more than partially corrupted. The Soulsword was forged from her soul (both good and bad portions, I assume - the Magik limited series never expressly stated which) after Illyana realized that what she most desired was revenge on Belasco (after multiple failed attempts to create a peaceful construct like Storm had done with her acorn tree). The Soulsword was created as a weapon of vengeance.

Oh, and trust me, I have long since learned to discard ANYTHING pertaining to the Soulsword in Excalibur written by Scott Lobdell and Warren Ellis.

I suppose you're right about the soulsword but Illyana did stated the power to create the weapon was untainted and umblemished. As she quoted from Magik Limited Series in issue #4, she said "it's genesis is creation, it's purpose is revenge" so it sounds similar to as what you're saying.

Scott Lodbell? What was his interpretation of the soulsword?

[Darkchylde]

I suppose you're right about the soulsword but Illyana did stated the power to create the weapon was untainted and umblemished. As she quoted from Magik Limited Series in issue #4, she said "it's genesis is creation, it's purpose is revenge" so it sounds similar to as what you're saying.

Scott Lodbell? What was his interpretation of the soulsword?

Scott Lobdell wrote a storyline in Excalibur entitled "The Prometheum Exchange", in which Doctor Doom tricked Kitty Pryde into using the Soulsword to open a portal to Limbo. His goal was to harness Limbo's "natural" metal deposit, Prometheum, which it turned out (according to Lobdell, anyway) was the source of Illyana's eldritch armor.

Doctor Doom wrestled control of the Soulsword from Kitty and manifested Prometheum armor around his body similar to how Illyana used to. Doom then stated that the sword and Prometheum armor symbolized his status as new ruler of Limbo. Eventually, with Excalibur's help, the demon Darkoth defeated Doom and claimed Limbo, and the Soulsword, for himself.

The story has since been largely ignored by fans and other writers, though Warren Ellis picked up on the Prometheum element of those issues when he wrote 'The Soul Sword Trilogy' down the line. You'll recall in that story, Prometheum was simply changed to 'Soulsteel', and it was considered to be the substance Illyana used to create the Soulsword.

[244]

What a reliefe the whole soulsteal or promethiem thing is ignored now although I liked Lodbell's work on Uncanny X-men and I heard some good things about his comic Generation X.

[chemicalx]

returning to an earlier topic Dakota Fanning would make an awesome Illyana.

[SayOcean]

returning to an earlier topic Dakota Fanning would make an awesome Illyana.
ugh i really hope not,

and illyana and Xian being together.....i guess I could see that happening but Magik has had a lot of hetro moments and i think it would be funner seeing her tease the boys, but some hot shan on yana action would be great

[chemicalx]

ugh i really hope not,

and illyana and Xian being together.....i guess I could see that happening but Magik has had a lot of hetro moments and i think it would be funner seeing her tease the boys, but some hot shan on yana action would be great

agreed I would like to see them both with characters outside the NM family. Xi'an deserves a nice stable girl. As for Illy what about Chase from Runaways?

[SayOcean]

agreed I would like to see them both with characters outside the NM family. Xi'an deserves a nice stable girl. As for Illy what about Chase from Runaways?oh my god no.......god no

[244]

agreed I would like to see them both with characters outside the NM family. Xi'an deserves a nice stable girl. As for Illy what about Chase from Runaways?

I don't see it being likely. New Mutants and Runaways have no connection.
In my opinion. I don't like the idea of Illyana having a boyfriend if it's just going to be for the sake of romance.

[Twisted Bliss]

I don't see it being likely. New Mutants and Runaways have no connection.
In my opinion. I don't like the idea of Illyana having a boyfriend if it's just going to be for the sake of romance.

I vote Doug. He was the one she should have hooked up with in the Original New Mutants series.

If he's now a techo-organic Zombie. Dating a demonic witch would be perfect for him.

[chemicalx]

I don't see it being likely. New Mutants and Runaways have no connection.
In my opinion. I don't like the idea of Illyana having a boyfriend if it's just going to be for the sake of romance.

I think a romance for the sake of romance would be a great reason to have soeone hookup. I mean if it develops over time and has a sensable reasoning... why not?

[244]

I vote Doug. He was the one she should have hooked up with in the Original New Mutants series.

If he's now a techo-organic Zombie. Dating a demonic witch would be perfect for him.

While I was reading the New Mutants, I think Doug might have a crush on Illyana or maybe I'm reading too much of it. If Doug did confess to her, I can see two things happening: one, she would laugh at his face scornfully, or two, she would be overcome by emotions that there are others who do care about her (besides her brother and Kitty) but would feel she isn't worthy to be loved. It depends which side of herself she assumes because of her dual nature (innocent girl / evil girl).

[Twisted Bliss]

While I was reading the New Mutants, I think Doug might have a crush on Illyana or maybe I'm reading too much of it. If Doug did confess to her, I can see two things happening: one, she would laugh at his face scornfully, or two, she would be overcome by emotions that there are others who do care about her (besides her brother and Kitty) but would feel she isn't worthy to be loved. It depends which side of herself she assumes because of her dual nature (innocent girl / evil girl).

I thought the same (that there was something possibly sparking between Doug/Illyana) in New Mutants 53. She made a point to be looking out for him, and he threw a tantrum. Something about that made me wonder. Then two issues later the powers that be shoved Doug with Rahne.

[244]

I think a romance for the sake of romance would be a great reason to have soeone hookup. I mean if it develops over time and has a sensable reasoning... why not?

Maybe it's just my preference for Illyana to remain single forever and she does have a brother who loves her (I am not insinuating incest if anyone gets the wrong ideas). Despite having a dark side, Illyana is still an innocent girl.

[chemicalx]

truthfully it's hard for me to see any of the NM girls with a currently existing mate.

Dani a potential exception for me because i like the idea of her with Warpath but that will never happen.

Amara also would work if empath weren't so evil all the time :evilangry:

I just dont know who i could see with Illyana though

[SayOcean]

i could see yana hooking up with sunspot from time to time

[244]

i could see yana hooking up with sunspot from time to time

That thought makes me shudder. No offense.

[244]

While we're at it with who Illyana should hook up with, maybe she can hook up with Josh Foley aka Elixer because if you think of it this way, she almost looks like Laurie Collins aka Wallflower except with the russian accent, but then again, Josh might share the New X-men's hatred (and they have every right to) towards her.

[chemicalx]

While we're at it with who Illyana should hook up with, maybe she can hook up with Josh Foley aka Elixer because if you think of it this way, she almost looks like Laurie Collins aka Wallflower except with the russian accent, but then again, Josh might share the New X-men's hatred (and they have every right to) towards her.

No thanks that kid has already had his chance with a NM alum. I would prefer if he stay away from the rest of the team...

i could see yana hooking up with sunspot from time to time

sunspot should be like an annoying brother to her. He would try to put the moves on her and fall flat on his face.

[244]

No thanks that kid has already had his chance with a NM alum. I would prefer if he stay away from the rest of the team...

Oh yeah. I forgot about that.

[SayOcean]

sunspot should be like an annoying brother to her. He would try to put the moves on her and fall flat on his face.illyana has commented on Berto being hot and yummy on more than one occasion.....i dont think thats something you would say about a brother. And out any of the other NM Sunspot is the most alike in terms of personalities

[244]

illyana has commented on Berto being hot and yummy on more than one occasion.....i dont think thats something you would say about a brother. And out any of the other NM Sunspot is the most alike in terms of personalities

As far as Claremontisms goes, she would say something like that, but I hope it's the last time she says that and not say something similar to that in the new New Mutants comic.

[NielsVanEekelen]

While we're at it with who Illyana should hook up with, maybe she can hook up with Josh Foley aka Elixer because if you think of it this way, she almost looks like Laurie Collins aka Wallflower except with the russian accent, but then again, Josh might share the New X-men's hatred (and they have every right to) towards her.

Hooking up with a girl because she looks like your dead ex? Well, that's healthy!

Which gives it a certain appeal, I'll admit. :tongue:

I know there's a sizable group of NM readers who saw something between Roberto and Illyana, but I'm not the biggest fan of that. I agree with 244 that those few comments don't have to mean anything. Anyway, whoever Illyana might hook up with, I just think it should end in disaster. I'm all for romantic entanglements, but I don't think current Yana could handle a stable, long-term relationship. Would she trust anyone enough to let in close like that?

And on another note, look at the pretty I found!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5039/magiksm.jpg

[yanapryde]

And on another note, look at the pretty I found!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5039/magiksm.jpg

Holy Frick!
I LOVE Arthur Adams and I LOVE this!
Where ever did you find it??
This is going into my Magik file on my computer for sure!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Holy Frick!
I LOVE Arthur Adams and I LOVE this!
Where ever did you find it??
This is going into my Magik file on my computer for sure!

On Comicartfans.com (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=541640&GSub=85418).

It pays to search for "Magik" or "Illyana" on those sorts of sites. :smile: For instance, have this Djurdjevic piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=453725&GSub=33106) or this Sienkiewicz piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=216454&GSub=33588) (ha! totally spelled that correctly on the first try!) or this Joe Pekar piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=214979&GSub=43912) been posted here, yet?

[sunofdarkchild]

illyana has commented on Berto being hot and yummy on more than one occasion.....i dont think thats something you would say about a brother. And out any of the other NM Sunspot is the most alike in terms of personalities

She said similar things about Empath.

[SayOcean]

As far as Claremontisms goes, she would say something like that, but I hope it's the last time she says that and not say something similar to that in the new New Mutants comic.Dude the times shes mentioned having an attraction to Bobby were during some of the most amazing NM stories.

She said similar things about Empath.I read like one thing she said about thinking Empath and her ahve similar tastes but not as much as the bobby comments. I dont think they should have a long stable relationship, but if i was someone who had been trapped in limbo and no emereged as this fully functional adult I would be really horny; and since there was already a previously attraction and Bobby and Magik and Amara were mentioned as being the best looking of the NM

[244]

Hooking up with a girl because she looks like your dead ex? Well, that's healthy!

Which gives it a certain appeal, I'll admit.

Ever since I saw Wallflower in the New X-men, I thought she was Illyana but with an american name "Laurie" and they even share the same mannerisms (before #21 of the NM classics. Never liked the slumber party issue)

Dude the times shes mentioned having an attraction to Bobby were during some of the most amazing NM stories.

I read like one thing she said about thinking Empath and her ahve similar tastes but not as much as the bobby comments. I dont think they should have a long stable relationship, but if i was someone who had been trapped in limbo and no emereged as this fully functional adult I would be really horny; and since there was already a previously attraction and Bobby and Magik and Amara were mentioned as being the best looking of the NM

I was never a fan of the Bobby/Illyana paring because Bobby was a ladies man and Illyana was too nice and innocent (that is when Illyana doesn't go evil). Illyana commenting that Bobby looks cute on issue #14 of the NM classics doesn't really mean she's attracted to him. I'm sure it's just an observation. If Bobby wasn't a ladies man and a nice guy, I'll probably reconsider the relationship.

[yanapryde]

I tend to avoid steering the topic away from Ms. Rasputin but this is fairly related.

Whatever happened to that 'soulsword' that Angel obtained from alterna-Illyana?
In that brief stint on Exiles?

He wound up confiscating it from her at the end of the story.
Anyone know if it was addressed in following stories? I know it was dropped/ignored eventually along with his alleged secondary healing-blood mutation...

[NielsVanEekelen]

I don't believe that sword was ever mentioned again after Austen left. I'm not even sure it was mentioned again while Austen was still on the book, actually.

[chemicalx]

I don't believe that sword was ever mentioned again after Austen left. I'm not even sure it was mentioned again while Austen was still on the book, actually.

It's best forgotten like many of the ideas Austin Spawned...I did like Exiles Magik though...she was truly hardcore

[244]

Here's an image of Magik I've worked on:

http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs41/i/2009/003/7/4/Mistress_of_Limbo_by_4422.jpg

Credit goes to AmericanNinjaX (http://americanninjax.deviantart.com/) for the awesome line-art and the colors was done by me. Originally Magik was supposed to wear her NM uniform but I went a bit far and made her a bit bare (yeah, I know I was being bad but I couldn't help it, lol) but looking back at the coloring process I've done, I wished I spent a little more time on it because the shadow's on her skin doesn't look dark enough and I've missed some more shadows on her iris but I don't feel like going back at it anymore.

[sunofdarkchild]

I tend to avoid steering the topic away from Ms. Rasputin but this is fairly related.

Whatever happened to that 'soulsword' that Angel obtained from alterna-Illyana?
In that brief stint on Exiles?

He wound up confiscating it from her at the end of the story.
Anyone know if it was addressed in following stories? I know it was dropped/ignored eventually along with his alleged secondary healing-blood mutation...

I heard something about it just being hung up on a wall at the Salem mansion, but it obviously won't be there anymore. Don't quote me on that, though.

What's Amanda Sefton been up to recently? She lost the title of Magik, the throne of Limbo, and the soul sword (yay to all!). It would be interesting to know how she feels about that (although it would probably suck and not make sense given the track record of all Amanda-soul sword-limbo stories).

[Maestro]

On Comicartfans.com (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=541640&GSub=85418).

It pays to search for "Magik" or "Illyana" on those sorts of sites. :smile: For instance, have this Djurdjevic piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=453725&GSub=33106) or this Sienkiewicz piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=216454&GSub=33588) (ha! totally spelled that correctly on the first try!) or this Joe Pekar piece (http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=214979&GSub=43912) been posted here, yet?

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_16737/subcat_33106/DjurdjevicMagikSketch.jpg

I love this pic. Illyana looks cute, badass, and hot at the same time

[NielsVanEekelen]

Maestro, yeah, I love that one too. I'd pay good money to see Djudjevic finish it as a painting. Not as much as I'm sure he's used to being paid, though. :frown:

(Another artist who is free to come do an alternate cover any time.)

It's best forgotten like many of the ideas Austin Spawned...I did like Exiles Magik though...she was truly hardcore

I think Austen's Exiles stories are the best/least bad I've read by him. And it featured an Illyana. Coincidence? :wink:

What's Amanda Sefton been up to recently? She lost the title of Magik, the throne of Limbo, and the soul sword (yay to all!). It would be interesting to know how she feels about that (although it would probably suck and not make sense given the track record of all Amanda-soul sword-limbo stories).

She's just been sitting in her apartment, and every time she starts getting over her debilitating depressing, Illyana 'ports in and taunts her.

[244]

What does anyone think about Illyana being the decendent of Grigori Rasputin? I think it was sort of neat she's related to the historical figure but To be honest, I was sort of like "eh", doesn't really change anything except the Rasputin bloodline is full of tragedy and Piotr, Illyana, and Mikhail Rasputin are no exceptions.

[chemicalx]

What does anyone think about Illyana being the decendent of Grigori Rasputin? I think it was sort of neat she's related to the historical figure but To be honest, I was sort of like "eh", doesn't really change anything except the Rasputin bloodline is full of tragedy and Piotr, Illyana, and Mikhail Rasputin are no exceptions.

yeah didnt really add much to it for me. I could have done without it...

[NielsVanEekelen]

What does anyone think about Illyana being the decendent of Grigori Rasputin? I think it was sort of neat she's related to the historical figure but To be honest, I was sort of like "eh", doesn't really change anything except the Rasputin bloodline is full of tragedy and Piotr, Illyana, and Mikhail Rasputin are no exceptions.

Wasn't really a fan of the revelation--I rather liked that Yana et al came from a normal, humble family of farmers. Plus, nothing has been done with it since the revelation, so it feels like a needless complication.

[244]

Wasn't really a fan of the revelation--I rather liked that Yana et al came from a normal, humble family of farmers. Plus, nothing has been done with it since the revelation, so it feels like a needless complication.

I agree of what you said, but I wonder how any writer is going to do it if/when Piotr and Illyana is confronted by their brother Mikhail (New Mutants Truth or Death or any reference connected with it convoluted continuity and should NOT be involved).

[The Black Guardian]

What does anyone think about Illyana being the decendent of Grigori Rasputin? I think it was sort of neat she's related to the historical figure but To be honest, I was sort of like "eh", doesn't really change anything except the Rasputin bloodline is full of tragedy and Piotr, Illyana, and Mikhail Rasputin are no exceptions.
It pisses me off to no end!:mad:

I think Grigori Rasputin and his family should be kept out of all fiction. I doubt that I would enjoy other people writing stories about my family being cursed and stuff.

[sunofdarkchild]

What does anyone think about Illyana being the decendent of Grigori Rasputin? I think it was sort of neat she's related to the historical figure but To be honest, I was sort of like "eh", doesn't really change anything except the Rasputin bloodline is full of tragedy and Piotr, Illyana, and Mikhail Rasputin are no exceptions.

For all we know, Illyana may have no idea that she is descended from Grigori. She wasn't really involved in that story. It is an interesting idea that everything she has suffered could be a result of the actions of her ancestor, but nothing ever happened with it. All it did was make me want to see an interaction between Illyana and Mr. Sinister.

[jarrod]

Yana vs Claudine could be HOTT.

[244]

Yana vs Claudine could be HOTT.

Don't think that I'm scrapping away your idea but how about Magik vs Amethyst?

[NielsVanEekelen]

You know your favorite formerly-dead mutant is coming back to prominence when...


http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/magik.jpg
...there's tiny cosplayers in Chicago! :biggrin:

(Found on the Robot 6 photo parade (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/08/chicago-comic-con-'09-saturday/).)

[Arachne]

That is so cool. :smile: I wonder where she got the sword?

Edit: But that link didn't work.

[244]

Anyone thinks the New X-men had every right to be angry at Illyana from #1 of NM vol.3 because after all, she's the one who put them through hell as Darkchilde.

[The Black Guardian]

Yana saved those kids from a fate worse than death. The New X-Men are just ingrates.

And don't get me wrong. I love those ungrateful jerks a lot.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Have to agree with The Black Guardian. It's understandable that they were mad, because terrible things happened to them, but their anger at Illyana was misplaced.

Of course, Yana's remarks didn't help the situation. "It was only a taste." Heheheheh. :biggrin:

[yanapryde]

To be fair..

Illyana is certainly not responsible for Anole's loss of appendage, nor his unsightly regrowth of said lost appendage.
That was a demon.
Illyana beheaded that demon, in fact, but I can see how the group would hold Illyana responsible given their abduction was for the purpose of ascertaining her whereabouts.

Although blaming the victim of a psychopath's pursuits

Illyana can, however, be held accountable for Pixie's current condition.
Although her actions provided them a means to both defeat Belasco, and escape Limbo, one could easily argue the ethical and moral complications by which Illyana's solution was achieved.

[sunofdarkchild]

Anyone thinks the New X-men had every right to be angry at Illyana from #1 of NM vol.3 because after all, she's the one who put them through hell as Darkchilde.

Sort of. If Anole had talked about her beating up Beast, Rockslide, Mercury, and Pixie (who rules? That's right. Illyana.) in X-Infernus 2 instead of his arm it would have seem more justified.

But she was also badly injured. Picking an arguement with and yelling "you're not welcome here" at someone with three arrows in her is a little much. Several of them may have attacked if Sam hadn't intervened. Illyana was quite right to say "grow up."

I feel that they only accosted her because she was hurt. It made them feel more confident. If she showed up in perfect health I get the feeling that they would have cowered in fear and not done anything to her other than shoot an occasional glare.

[244]

Illyana is certainly not responsible for Anole's loss of appendage, nor his unsightly regrowth of said lost appendage.
That was a demon.

I thought the same thing about Anole blaming Illyana for the loss of his arm but it could be argued he thought she sent the demons at the New X-men.

If the New X-men are blaming Illyana, it should be Darkchilde because you know how Illyana is afraid to get her hands dirty again. If the New X-men know the real her, she would be forgiven but I don't think it's going to happen yet.

[244]

One thing that's kind of bugging me: if Illyana wants to be whole again so badly, can't she 'port back in time to prevent six year old Illyana from being lured into the temple located on an island the X-men were staying at from issue #160 of Uncanny X-men?

[Darkchylde]

One thing that's kind of bugging me: if Illyana wants to be whole again so badly, can't she 'port back in time to prevent six year old Illyana from being lured into the temple located on an island the X-men were staying at from issue #160 of Uncanny X-men?

And so rears the pesky space/time conundrum again. If Illyana did that, she'd surely muck with time altogether, altering history to who-knows-what degree. Also, who's to say that if she lured young Illyana away from the stepping disc in the temple, that Belasco wouldn't just try abducting her again at a later time?

[244]

And so rears the pesky space/time conundrum again. If Illyana did that, she'd surely muck with time altogether, altering history to who-knows-what degree. Also, who's to say that if she lured young Illyana away from the stepping disc in the temple, that Belasco wouldn't just try abducting her again at a later time?

I think Belasco can only lure her in the temple because if he can lure her anytime, he could have done it before the X-men settled in the island.

I'm sorry if you didn't like the idea but I thought Magik saving her six year old self would be the most simple solution.

[Darkchylde]

I think Belasco can only lure her in the temple because if he can lure her anytime, he could have done it before the X-men settled in the island.

I'm sorry if you didn't like the idea but I thought Magik saving her six year old self would be the most simple solution.

To your first statement, yeah, I think Belasco could lure Illyana in the temple because that's where the walls between Earth and Limbo were thinnest (at least, that's what I recall being said in an issue.. somewhere). Not to say that he couldn't abduct her at another time and place, but his biggest chance for success would have been at that specific juncture.

As to your second comment, it's not that I like/dislike the idea of Illyana venturing in time and reversing certain events; rather, it would only complicate the present a la Legion and the "Age of Apocalypse" - who knows what ramifications might result from Illyana halting her transformation into Magik? Perhaps without Illyana to stop him, Belasco might have been freed from Limbo through some other means, invaded Earth and liberated his masters, the Elder Gods, to enslave humanity. All because Little Snowflake wasn't around to soundly whoop Belasco's demon tail with the Soulsword.

[244]

To your first statement, yeah, I think Belasco could lure Illyana in the temple because that's where the walls between Earth and Limbo were thinnest (at least, that's what I recall being said in an issue.. somewhere). Not to say that he couldn't abduct her at another time and place, but his biggest chance for success would have been at that specific juncture.

As to your second comment, it's not that I like/dislike the idea of Illyana venturing in time and reversing certain events; rather, it would only complicate the present a la Legion and the "Age of Apocalypse" - who knows what ramifications might result from Illyana halting her transformation into Magik? Perhaps without Illyana to stop him, Belasco might have been freed from Limbo through some other means, invaded Earth and liberated his masters, the Elder Gods, to enslave humanity. All because Little Snowflake wasn't around to soundly whoop Belasco's demon tail with the Soulsword.

The issue you mentioned about the Limbo's walls being thin was from Magik LS #3.

Actually, the Illyana I was referring to was the pre-inferno one before she got de-aged and if Belasco did became free from Limbo, Dr. Strange would be the one to put him back.

[Darkchylde]

The issue you mentioned about the Limbo's walls being thin was from Magik LS #3.

Actually, the Illyana I was referring to was the pre-inferno one before she got de-aged and if Belasco did became free from Limbo, Dr. Strange would be the one to put him back.

Dr. Strange might be the one to send Belasco back to Limbo; it wouldn't be as easy as it sounds. If Belasco were to somehow bring all of Limbo to Earth (as he almost did in "Quest for Magik" in New X-Men, and S'ym and N'astirh did in "Inferno"), Strange might not be able to stop it in time.

[SayOcean]

Why would she want to? that would mean that she wouldnt be there o join the nm and who knows what would've happened to her fellow NM if she hadnt been there to save them repeatedly. And illyana was never really good at travelling through time who knows what time she would end up in

[sunofdarkchild]

One thing that's kind of bugging me: if Illyana wants to be whole again so badly, can't she 'port back in time to prevent six year old Illyana from being lured into the temple located on an island the X-men were staying at from issue #160 of Uncanny X-men?

That technically already happened in Inferno; Rahne saved little Illyana, having no nonmenenteal affext on teenage Illyana. If Illyana were to do it again, because of time not working properly in Limbo, she wouldn't change the past or make herself whole. She'd just create an alternate version of herself.

[244]

Why would she want to? that would mean that she wouldnt be there o join the nm and who knows what would've happened to her fellow NM if she hadnt been there to save them repeatedly. And illyana was never really good at travelling through time who knows what time she would end up in

You know, come to think of it, she did say she needed her magical abilities in case she faces Belasco next time and I find it disheartening she needed to be queen of Limbo to keep it under control in case demons escape to earth. My idea was just a thought so it's nothing to take it seriously.

That technically already happened in Inferno; Rahne saved little Illyana, having no nonmenenteal affext on teenage Illyana. If Illyana were to do it again, because of time not working properly in Limbo, she wouldn't change the past or make herself whole. She'd just create an alternate version of herself.

I forgot about that and thanks for bringing it up. I think it wasn't a good idea to kill off Illyana in Uncanny X-men #303 because she would've have potential in the future. It would've been cool to see her enroll in the Xavier school in the second series of New X-men if she hadn't been killed off.

[sunofdarkchild]

What if Illyana never fell into Limbo?

Kitty would have been brainwashed by the White Queen into joining the Hellfire Club.

Dani and probably the rest of the New Mutants would have been killed by her own parents as the demon bear.

Karma would still be under the Shadow King's control.

Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler, Forge, and Amanda Sefton would have been permanently turned into Wraiths or killed.

Kulan Gath would have taken over the world.

Loki would have taken over Asgard.

Belasco would have total dominion over Limbo as the alternate Storm died of old age and Cat finally fell in battle or eventually also grew too old to defend herself.

Probaly not a good idea to change history so that all that and more happens.

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What if Illyana never fell into Limbo?

Kitty would have been brainwashed by the White Queen into joining the Hellfire Club.

Dani and probably the rest of the New Mutants would have been killed by her own parents as the demon bear.

Karma would still be under the Shadow King's control.

Colossus, Storm, Nightcrawler, Forge, and Amanda Sefton would have been permanently turned into Wraiths or killed.

Kulan Gath would have taken over the world.

Loki would have taken over Asgard.

Belasco would have total dominion over Limbo as the alternate Storm died of old age and Cat finally fell in battle or eventually also grew too old to defend herself.

Probaly not a good idea to change history so that all that and more happens.

Yeah, I can see your point of view and I do agree with you but like I said, my idea was just a thought so I'm not going to go on about it although (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think Illyana prevented Loki from taking over Asgard as far as I remember from the Asgard issue of UXM annual.

[sunofdarkchild]

Yeah, I can see your point of view and I do agree with you but like I said, my idea was just a thought so I'm not going to go on about it although (correct me if I'm wrong) I don't think Illyana prevented Loki from taking over Asgard as far as I remember from the Asgard issue of UXM annual.

ThE X-Men only knew to go to Asgard because Illyana somehow got a psychic message through to Kitty, so without Illyana the X-Men would never have come and Loki would have had no trouble taking over Asgard.

But, disappointingly, Illyana did not have any real role in the climax.

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ThE X-Men only knew to go to Asgard because Illyana somehow got a psychic message through to Kitty, so without Illyana the X-Men would never have come and Loki would have had no trouble taking over Asgard.

But, disappointingly, Illyana did not have any real role in the climax.

Oh, I see. Thanks.

Illyana drawn by Art Adams in the Asgard issue looks sexy but part of me says 'she's a fourteen/fifteen year old girl. It's kind of creeping me out' (no offense Mr. Adams). I like how Diogenes Neves draws Illyana for the new New Mutants because her figure looks realistic (which is a refreshing change among females in superhero comics) and she looks convincing to be in her teens.

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana has been portrayed very mysteriously in the first three issues of the relaunched New Mutants.

Once we get answers as to what was this catastrophe in the future she came back to prevent, would anyone like most of the questions about her to be answered, or do you want her to remain a big question mark for the team? If anyone does want most of the current questions about her to be answered, do you want more questions about her to open up, and if so at what rate compared to how they get answered?

[yanapryde]

CBR: I take that it’s very significant that Magik is in this scene with three members of X-Force and that when Wolverine arrives, he’s in his X-Force togs?

Fraction: Yes, things are about to get messy and intense.


I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE NEXT ISSUE!!

[sunofdarkchild]

CBR: I take that it’s very significant that Magik is in this scene with three members of X-Force and that when Wolverine arrives, he’s in his X-Force togs?

Fraction: Yes, things are about to get messy and intense.


I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE NEXT ISSUE!!

Where's the picture and the article? need........links....

Oh, and the Hellions are returning, kind of, along with good ol' Doug.

[Arachne]

Evolution Revolution. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22578) Just in case you haven't found it yet.

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CBR: I take that it’s very significant that Magik is in this scene with three members of X-Force and that when Wolverine arrives, he’s in his X-Force togs?

Fraction: Yes, things are about to get messy and intense.


I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE NEXT ISSUE!!

Will Magik be merely teleporting people? She's busy in New Mutants right now so I wonder if her role in UXM Utopia takes place between #4 and #5 of New Mutants?

[sunofdarkchild]

Some interesting things about the page where Illyana is with part of the X-Force crew.

Illyana seems a little uncomfortable with the X-Force crew. Could it be that coming from the future she knows more about them than she wants to?

Wolverine saying "Sorry for dragging you into this" to Illyana is a definate sign that they are headed for an extremely dangerous and/or bloody situation. They obviously need Illyana's teleportation. The question is, do they need any of her other skills?

It also makes it seem like Wolverine requested Illyana for this mission.

[Arachne]

Well, you really couldn't take Pixie on this one. Even with part of her soul missing, she's not ready for X-Force.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Will Magik be merely teleporting people? She's busy in New Mutants right now so I wonder if her role in UXM Utopia takes place between #4 and #5 of New Mutants?

Yeah, that's been confirmed. From the solicits:

Also, see the effects that UTOPIA had on Illyana and the rest of her crew

So here's hoping Yana gets right in the middle of the action!

It also makes it seem like Wolverine requested Illyana for this mission.

I don't really read anything more into that than that they need a teleporter.

On the other hand, what better way to deal with the Sentry than to teleport him to Limbo and let the demons there give him a complete breakdown? :biggrin:

Illyana has been portrayed very mysteriously in the first three issues of the relaunched New Mutants.

Once we get answers as to what was this catastrophe in the future she came back to prevent, would anyone like most of the questions about her to be answered, or do you want her to remain a big question mark for the team? If anyone does want most of the current questions about her to be answered, do you want more questions about her to open up, and if so at what rate compared to how they get answered?

I'm hoping for a little more insight into her motivations. Loving the mystery now, but eventually I'd prefer to be able to read the issues from the perspective of my favorite.

[sunofdarkchild]

I don't really read anything more into that than that they need a teleporter.

On the other hand, what better way to deal with the Sentry than to teleport him to Limbo and let the demons there give him a complete breakdown? :biggrin: .

It may just be wishwill thinking on my part, but the X-Men do have more teleporters with historically better control than Illyana.

But she is definately the best choice for teleporting large groups.

And congrajulations are in order to yanaryde and Illyana for this thread reaching 1000 posts