Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[sunofdarkchild]

If Illyana were to be involved in a relationship, I'd say that it would have to be with somebody brand new, and that her past would have to be a detrimental factor in the relationship.

I doubt that Illyana will form any relationship with a guy, whether Roberto, Doug, or other at all in the next 2 years. Maybe in 2012.

What I do think is that Illyana seems to be "in the middle" between Legion and the New Mutants, judging by the above cover. That suggests that she may be more of a wild card than ever.

[MuhollandDriver]

A mixed bag.

i like Illyana front and center...but the girl needs her bangs....not a Valerie Bertinelli mop.

Karma looks the best.

Doug looks like Ink.

Dani Moonstar looks like Eddie Munster with Wednesday Adams hair.

Warlock can be done much better.

Sam was out of focus.

Magma, quit quest starring in those Jem and the Holograms cartoons!

Sunspot looks like Peter Pan's shadow....his standard.

i am buying the alex ross version.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Illyana and DOUG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you SERIOUS? Doug is not now (nor has he ever been) in Illyana's league. Doug would be better off mooning over Kitty or Rahne, like he did in the old days (not that I think he has much of a shot with them, either, now that they've matured).

If Doug is resurrected as he was and if Illyana is still the age she was during Inferno, hey, they would be the only two minors on the team, so they wouldn't have many options...:tongue:

But I maintain that Illyana was only ever interested in Kitty.

Actually the Illyana/Doug thing has made me wonder, since those two are gettin resurrected won't they still be teenagers and younger than their 20-something year old team mates?

Thus Illyana/Roberto would be illegal.

Ah, you beat me to it.

I don't like all this "Illyana should be alone" talk. We should want good things for her. Good things.

We always hurt the ones we love, right? And the characters we love, we hurt and torture and maim and traumatize, because they're just interesting that way.:cool:

I mean, when the Enchantress attempted to age her (to the oldest of crones, I believe was her choice of words) she was unable to. She was capable of making her younger, even a baby but no older than her current age. I always wished that issue would have been touched upon in a future story but it, like her connection to Kitty, was never revealed. Maybe we'll get some answers now that she's back.
Here's hoping.

I always figured somehow, somewhy, Illyana couldn't be aged further than the age she would be when she turned into the Darkchild completely. As for her bond with Kitty, see my comment above.

But speaking of unfinished Claremont plots, what do we think the odds are Illyana will appear in X-Men Forever?

[sunofdarkchild]

A mixed bag.

i like Illyana front and center...but the girl needs her bangs....not a Valerie Bertinelli mop.

Karma looks the best.

Doug looks like Ink.

Dani Moonstar looks like Eddie Munster with Wednesday Adams hair.

Warlock can be done much better.

Sam was out of focus.

Magma was fine.

Sunspot looks like Peter Pan's shadow....his standard.

i am buying the alex ross version.

Love Magik's look: Powerful, deadly, gorgeous.

Karma's got a huge rack, and doesn't seem to care that she's in the middle of a battle.

Doug is floating and looks like he's made of glass, and cracking.

Dani is on drugs.

Warlock is floating like Doug and seems unusually large and mean.

Sam is the only one wearing a mask and......has a large trail behind him.

Magma, like Karma, doesn't seem to know there's a battle going on.

Sunspot=Peter Pan's shadow. I'll get Peter some soap.

[yanapryde]

Illyana and Kitty have some kind of OTHER bond.

Not romantic. I refuse to believe that the intention with their relationship was ever to have some sort of unrequited love. No.

Whether it be her time spent with Alterna-Kitty in Limbo, being trained and raised by her and some sort of mystical transference.... Or maybe when Kitty's skeleton was magically removed by Belasco, briefly, there was some kind of magical bondiness .... SOMETHING...something Limbo-y had to have gone on there for Kitty to be able to SEE Illyana when she was in her astral form at the Massachusetts academy....for Kitty to be the recipient of Illyana's mystical armor and soulsword on numerous occassions.....for Illyana's sword to be capable to CUT Kitty even when she's phased....

Its not just....love. Sure they care for one another, sure they love each other but its on a different level than .....alleged romantic interest.

[yanapryde]

Love Magik's look: Powerful, deadly, gorgeous.

Karma's got a huge rack, and doesn't seem to care that she's in the middle of a battle.

IS SHE in the middle of a battle?

Doug is floating and looks like he's made of glass, and cracking.

Dani is on drugs.

Warlock is floating like Doug and seems unusually large and mean.

Sam is the only one wearing a mask and......has a large trail behind him.

Sam is wearing his recently added signature goggles

Magma, like Karma, doesn't seem to know there's a battle going on.

AGAIN, I ask...is there a battle? Its a cover. And nobody is fighting.

Sunspot=Peter Pan's shadow. I'll get Peter some soap.

I love the comment about soap.
classic.

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana and Kitty have some kind of OTHER bond.

Not romantic. I refuse to believe that the intention with their relationship was ever to have some sort of unrequited love. No.

Whether it be her time spent with Alterna-Kitty in Limbo, being trained and raised by her and some sort of mystical transference.... Or maybe when Kitty's skeleton was magically removed by Belasco, briefly, there was some kind of magical bondiness .... SOMETHING...something Limbo-y had to have gone on there for Kitty to be able to SEE Illyana when she was in her astral form at the Massachusetts academy....for Kitty to be the recipient of Illyana's mystical armor and soulsword on numerous occassions.....for Illyana's sword to be capable to CUT Kitty even when she's phased....

Its not just....love. Sure they care for one another, sure they love each other but its on a different level than .....alleged romantic interest.

Right. They wern't that kind of soul mates. They had a relationship like Picard and Guinen (Whoopi Goldberg's character) in Star Trek the Next Generation, "beyond friendship, beyond family."

[MuhollandDriver]

Sunspot=Peter Pan's shadow. I'll get Peter some soap.

i'm not the only one!

As for Sam...yes he is certainly trailing some thermo-energy toilet paper.

The costumes, however, are great.

They remind me of Grant Morrison costumes from New X-Men...a bit less leatherish and just as sleek.

[sunofdarkchild]

Dani, Illyana, Sam, and Roberto, look like they're in a fight or will be in seconds.

[The Black Guardian]

Dani, Illyana, Sam, and Roberto, look like they're in a fight or will be in seconds.
With Berto, though, it could be that he just ran out of pizza.

[SayOcean]

i liek the sunspot and Magik pairing they wre the hotties of the NM team....along with Magma, and would be a good match, and since Cannonball is just 21...roperto would be younger than him thus their relationship woldnt be as icky as say....rahne and elixier....which everyone seems to love


and about illyana aging thing....Template made illyana older in the NM annual when they went to the wildways

[Peter F.]

i liek the sunspot and Magik pairing they wre the hotties of the NM team....along with Magma, and would be a good match, and since Cannonball is just 21...roperto would be younger than him thus their relationship woldnt be as icky as say....rahne and elixier....which everyone seems to love

Sam isn't 21, that line in Uncanny was a reference to a movie.

And no one loves Rahne and Elixir. No one.

[SayOcean]

Sam isn't 21, that line in Uncanny was a reference to a movie.

And no one loves Rahne and Elixir. No one. not on his driver liscense it had 87 and the book came out i think in 2008 so.......

[Peter F.]

not on his driver liscense it had 87 and the book came out i think in 2008 so.......

The art was by Land. If we believed everything that Land put in the art then we would think that all of the X-men would be pornstars who couldn't unsway their lips.

If Sam were only 21 then that would mean that only 4 or 5 years have passed since the beginning of the original New Mutants series and all of his experiences with the NM, X-Force and the X-men would have happened in that time.

Sam is not Franklin Richards, over the last 3 decades he did not only age 4 years.

[sunofdarkchild]

Comic time, it makes even less sense than Limbo time.

Franklin Richards? Now there's someone only good things should happen to. He's so cute.

[SayOcean]

The art was by Land. If we believed everything that Land put in the art then we would think that all of the X-men would be pornstars who couldn't unsway their lips.

If Sam were only 21 then that would mean that only 4 or 5 years have passed since the beginning of the original New Mutants series and all of his experiences with the NM, X-Force and the X-men would have happened in that time.

Sam is not Franklin Richards, over the last 3 decades he did not only age 4 years.WHERE were you when that issue came out....it seemed i was the only one defending sams age.....*sniff*

[The Black Guardian]

WHERE were you when that issue came out....it seemed i was the only one defending sams age.....*sniff*
I remember that issue, and I remember the discussion.

Frankly, I choose to disbelieve the entire scene. Sam wouldn't have a Kentucky driver's license, wouldn't be that age, and wouldn't act like he did.

[SayOcean]

I remember that issue, and I remember the discussion.

Frankly, I choose to disbelieve the entire scene. Sam wouldn't have a Kentucky driver's license, wouldn't be that age, and wouldn't act like he did.thank you and i ll disregard your cipher avater and now think youre cool

[Peter F.]

WHERE were you when that issue came out....it seemed i was the only one defending sams age.....*sniff*

I don't post much in Uncanny, Legacy, Astonishing or X-Force threads. They move too fast for me, I can never keep up.

[darkclaw]

Dani, Illyana, Sam, and Roberto, look like they're in a fight or will be in seconds.
I dunno, given the direction Sam was headed, he may have been heading off for pizza.

[darkclaw]

What is the name of this new book supposed to be? Will it be called New Mutants again (a misnomer, actually, as most would no longer be "new" mutants) or will it be a new X-book?:confused:

[sunofdarkchild]

I dunno, given the direction Sam was headed, he may have been heading off for pizza.

What do Sam and Roberto fight for, if not pizza?

The book is going to be called New Mutants again, even though the name makes no sense. They're going for the nostalgia factor.

Am I the only one who thinks that it could be significant that we have a two sided cover, one side with the team and the other with Legion and his illusion soldier things, and Magik is split to be on both sides, so that she dominates them both?

[darkclaw]

What do Sam and Roberto fight for, if not pizza?

The book is going to be called New Mutants again, even though the name makes no sense. They're going for the nostalgia factor.

Am I the only one who thinks that it could be significant that we have a two sided cover, one side with the team and the other with Legion and his illusion soldier things, and Magik is split to be on both sides, so that she dominates them both?
I dunno about dominates, but I really think Legion needs to be aware of one thing. If he wants to start dealing in mindgames and nightmares, he has a long way to go to equal what Illyana has livied with just as her general life. He won't impress her. So far as her equal billing on both sides of the cover, think Auryn (Neverending Story), two snakes biting each other tails, one good, one not. Just like Illyana. Remember, this is a girl quoted as saying 'I am evil. I am only good because I WANT to be!'

[NielsVanEekelen]

What is the name of this new book supposed to be? Will it be called New Mutants again (a misnomer, actually, as most would no longer be "new" mutants) or will it be a new X-book?:confused:

The book is going to be called New Mutants again, even though the name makes no sense. They're going for the nostalgia factor.

Funny. The New Warriors keep coming back as the New Warriors, be with new characters or the classics, and I've never heard anyone complain about their New.

[sunofdarkchild]

I dunno about dominates, but I really think Legion needs to be aware of one thing. If he wants to start dealing in mindgames and nightmares, he has a long way to go to equal what Illyana has livied with just as her general life. He won't impress her. So far as her equal billing on both sides of the cover, think Auryn (Neverending Story), two snakes biting each other tails, one good, one not. Just like Illyana. Remember, this is a girl quoted as saying 'I am evil. I am only good because I WANT to be!'

One of the best Marvel quotes, up there with "With great power comes great responsibility."

Illyana ends up being the forground for both sides. Her time traveling abilities might be of use to Legion, or maybe he just wants revenge for her sending Bishop back in time to stop him from creating the AoA. It seems that he will be playing Illyana against the rest of the New Mutants, and use famiscles (how is it spelled?) of Doug and Warlock against them.

[The Black Guardian]

I dunno, given the direction Sam was headed, he may have been heading off for pizza.
Heh. Berto's just upset because they ran out of pizza.

[sunofdarkchild]

Legion stole their pizza, so Sam and Roberto want to kill Legion. I think Legion may have also stolen whatever drugs Dani took before that picture was made.

[darkclaw]

Legion stole their pizza, so Sam and Roberto want to kill Legion. I think Legion may have also stolen whatever drugs Dani took before that picture was made.
LOL...too much peyote perhaps?

[darkclaw]

I guess my only question about this is how long they will keep Rahne from the title that spawned her. The team won't feel complete with her absence and with all that she has matured, there is much she can offer this new team, especially in the way of charectar interaction.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I guess my only question about this is how long they will keep Rahne from the title that spawned her. The team won't feel complete with her absence and with all that she has matured, there is much she can offer this new team, especially in the way of charectar interaction.

Kyle and Yost have mentioned a three-year outline they have for X-Force stories--I've already called dibs on Rahne on behalf of New Mutants for after that. :wink:

[The Black Guardian]

Kyle and Yost have mentioned a three-year outline they have for X-Force stories--I've already called dibs on Rahne on behalf of New Mutants for after that. :wink:
Yikes... After 3 years of X-Force, I pity anyone around Rahne.

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm sure Rahne'll pop up in the New Mutants series pretty often even without being officially on the team.

The real question is what is Cyclops' purpose in reforming the New Mutants. I can't for the life of me think of a reaon they should get together that wouldn't be solved by just having all or some of them joining the X-Men proper.

[MuhollandDriver]

According to Zeb Wells....they all realize how well they work together as a dynamic...so they reteam. The differences is that they are now a full-fledged superhero team, not novices. They will take on equal threats.

i dunno....that works for me.

[sunofdarkchild]

According to Zeb Wells....they all realize how well they work together as a dynamic...so they reteam. The differences is that they are now a full-fledged superhero team, not novices. They will take on equal threats.

i dunno....that works for me.

Well, during the Claremont run they worked well together. Afterwards every single mission they went on was a disaster. That reason is also a reason that Rahne should come back.

And Illyana cannot be considered any less of a novice than she was during the first New Mutants series. Of course, one could make the arguement that after seven years in Limbo and defeating Belasco she was never a novice and in terms of experiance and battle knowledge was on another level compared with the other New Mutants. I'd buy that.

[MuhollandDriver]

You talking about Louise Simonson's run?

Eh...chuck that.

With the right writer....things could be great.

[sunofdarkchild]

Yeah. Someone on this blog said something about the New Mutants being cancelled after issue 54. It may be a cute statement, but it's true. Everything from the New Mutants part of the Fall of the Mutants arc to the Forge/Freedom Force storyline to Gonysaur (or whatever her name was) was awful.

[darkclaw]

I'll admit, I made it as far as the end of Inferno and that was it for me. I tried issue 51 and couldn't do it. Then when I saw the team was becoming Sam, Proudstar, Boom-Boom and whoever else, that put me away for good. I honestlyt never picked up another issue.

[sunofdarkchild]

The only decision made then that I can understand was the decision to kill Cypher. It was a shock and a gut wrenching moment. Every other decision could well have been made by monkeys they were so bad. And I apologize to all monkeys for claiming that they make decisions that bad.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I think the Louise Simonson writing that picked up and continued Claremont plots worked perfectly fine. Only when she introduced her own characters--like with Birdbrain or Gosamyr--did the good ship NM go under.

[sunofdarkchild]

Besides for Inferno, what did Louise Simonson do that was a continuation of a Claremont plot? Don't give me the Asgard storyline as an answer.

And a lot of inconvenient facts from Claremont's work were forgotten for Inferno, such as the fact that by the time S'ym was beating up young Illyana, two fifths of her soul were already corrupted and she had already been Limbo for at least two years. Seconds after kidnapping her Belasco forged the first bloodstone and irrivercibly corrupted her at the core. But Simonson decided that the evil Illyana struggled with was created solely by her choices and rewrote the whole Illyana in Limbo story.

[darkclaw]

Besides for Inferno, what did Louise Simonson do that was a continuation of a Claremont plot? Don't give me the Asgard storyline as an answer.

And a lot of inconvenient facts from Claremont's work were forgotten for Inferno, such as the fact that by the time S'ym was beating up young Illyana, two fifths of her soul were already corrupted and she had already been Limbo for at least two years. Seconds after kidnapping her Belasco forged the first bloodstone and irrivercibly corrupted her at the core. But Simonson decided that the evil Illyana struggled with was created solely by her choices and rewrote the whole Illyana in Limbo story.


Remember, Illyana had control over space and time through the stepping discs. Theoretically, what I think Simonson was trying to create was a moment when "Lightchylde Illyana" saved "Young Illyana" in the seconds between her arrival in Limbo and the creation of the first bloodstone, literally accomplishing this in the tick of a second. The problem (as I see it) was that Claremont made VERY SURE to highlight (over and over and over again) that she didn't have that level of control over the time aspect of her power.

[sunofdarkchild]

My problem with what Simonson did was when they saw little Illyana being beaten up by S'ym her age and clothing were wrong and they flat out said that she was innocent at the time, which she wasn't. The end of Inferno is very much up to interpretation, which is actually to Simonson's credit.

Simonson has said that the intent of the end of Inferno was to create two Illyanas and to have the original just stay in Limbo until eventually coming back and rejoining the New Mutants/X-Force. In a post Inferno annual Cable showed someone, I think Sam, but I don't remember, an image of the 'future' New Mutants, including Illyana, soul sword and all.

Does anyone have that image?

[The Black Guardian]

My problem with what Simonson did was when they saw little Illyana being beaten up by S'ym her age and clothing were wrong and they flat out said that she was innocent at the time, which she wasn't. The end of Inferno is very much up to interpretation, which is actually to Simonson's credit.

Simonson has said that the intent of the end of Inferno was to create two Illyanas and to have the original just stay in Limbo until eventually coming back and rejoining the New Mutants/X-Force. In a post Inferno annual Cable showed someone, I think Sam, but I don't remember, an image of the 'future' New Mutants, including Illyana, soul sword and all.

Does anyone have that image?
Don't have it in digital form, but it was in New Mutants Annual #6 (the "Days of Future Present" annual). It wasn't part of a story or any character showing another. It was a pinup. Rictor, Tabitha, Cable, Rahne, Amara, Yana, Berto, Sam, Warlock, and Shatterstar (this came out before he even debuted) are in it.

[DivaSparkles]

I too love Illyana. She plays on my fantasy of Dungeon's and Dragon's and underage girls dressed in skimpy clothes.

[The Black Guardian]

I too love Illyana. She plays on my fantasy of Dungeon's and Dragon's and underage girls dressed in skimpy clothes.
Me too. Like Laurana Kanan, but with a naughty side like Kitiara.

[MuhollandDriver]

Yes....Louise Simonson's run was, overall, quite bogus for me and others.

Skids, Rusty, and Boom-Boom were quite unlikable to me. They were rotten roadkill in my mouth until i read Skids in "The Extremists" and Boom-Boom in "Nextwave".

i do my best to be a pacifist...but whenever someone goes "Gee i hope Boom-Boom and Feral join the New Mutants reunion!" i become endlessly annoyed.

[sunofdarkchild]

What was the point of Boom Boom?

[MartinRedmond]

I too love Illyana. She plays on my fantasy of Dungeon's and Dragon's and underage girls dressed in skimpy clothes.

My favorite imaginary Dungeon Master's the unbelievably hot one from that Jack Chic tract.

Yes....Louise Simonson's run was, overall, quite bogus for me and others.

Skids, Rusty, and Boom-Boom were quite unlikable to me.

BoomBoom listened to a band called Crippled Puppies, she can't have been that bad.

[sunofdarkchild]

During Inferno, when Colossus was wrestling S'ym, Boom Boom actually asked "who's Colossus?"

A contender for stupidest comic book character of all time.

[Prodigy55]

During Inferno, when Colossus was wrestling S'ym, Boom Boom actually asked "who's Colossus?"

A contender for stupidest comic book character of all time.

I'm sorry, but Colossus is jut not that popular.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Rockslide-2.jpg

[SayOcean]

I'm sorry, but Colossus is jut not that popular.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Rockslide-2.jpg
sooo boom boom is at least as smart rockslide

[lockerogue]

What was the point of Boom Boom?

To blow things up and steal all of your stuff.

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm sorry, but Colossus is jut not that popular.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Rockslide-2.jpg

Well, no one ever claimed that Rockslide was anywhere close to bright either.

But I have to agree, Colossus is the least interesting of the Rasputins with powers.

[sunofdarkchild]

Since this is the Magik Appreciation Thread, I think we should get back to talking about Illyana. I know that I'm partly to blame for the shift to Boom Boom and Rockslide, the latter of whom is at least occasionally humourous and useful. Boom Boom was just stupid 100% of the time.

Anyway, back to Illyana. Did anyone else notice the personality shift that occured when she touched the soul sword in X-Infernus 2? Are hormones to blame? And this personality change I'm not complaining about.

[MartinRedmond]

My favorite BoomBoom stories were X-Factor 11-12. By the time she was in New Mutants, she kind of lost some of her appeal. Mostly since Bret Blevins simply drew her like a perv and prettified her. While the better artist, Walt Simonson kept her looking like a slightly dorky teen girl. She was supposed to be plain looking from her Secret Wars 2 origin story. She suffered the same treatment Sam did.

Ellis did a great job returning her to her roots in Nextwave, though I doubt he did it knowing the source material, I was pleased with it.

[SayOcean]

Since this is the Magik Appreciation Thread, I think we should get back to talking about Illyana. I know that I'm partly to blame for the shift to Boom Boom and Rockslide, the latter of whom is at least occasionally humourous and useful. Boom Boom was just stupid 100% of the time.

Anyway, back to Illyana. Did anyone else notice the personality shift that occured when she touched the soul sword in X-Infernus 2? Are hormones to blame? And this personality change I'm not complaining about.oooh i wanna know how is she change

[Prodigy55]

When is X-Infernus coming out, I really want to know the ending now!

[The Black Guardian]

When is X-Infernus coming out, I really want to know the ending now!
Next week: Mar 25.

Unless they delay it again... um... forget I said anything. *knocks on wood*

[Twisted Bliss]

Next week: Mar 25.

Unless they delay it again... um... forget I said anything. *knocks on wood*

I want it now. I need to know the Illyana & Limbo status.

[jarrod]

And Illyana cannot be considered any less of a novice than she was during the first New Mutants series. Of course, one could make the arguement that after seven years in Limbo and defeating Belasco she was never a novice and in terms of experiance and battle knowledge was on another level compared with the other New Mutants. I'd buy that.
Yeah, it always seemed weird to me that Illyana was with the Muties when similarly experienced girls like Kitty, Rogue and Rachel went straight to the X-Men. :/


I'll admit, I made it as far as the end of Inferno and that was it for me. I tried issue 51 and couldn't do it. Then when I saw the team was becoming Sam, Proudstar, Boom-Boom and whoever else, that put me away for good. I honestlyt never picked up another issue.
Originally Illyana was supposed to come back for X-Force iirc. Roberto was supposed to stick around too.

[darkclaw]

Yeah, it always seemed weird to me that Illyana was with the Muties when similarly experienced girls like Kitty, Rogue and Rachel went straight to the X-Men. :/



Originally Illyana was supposed to come back for X-Force iirc. Roberto was supposed to stick around too.

Thank whatever stars or gods still look over Illyana that never happened. It would have been a complete waste of a good character on a bad team.


BTW: During X-Infernus #3, I have two questions. 1) It looks like Kurt stabbed Illyana, killing her. As we know she shows up in NM, how is that possible?

2) (I knew a screw-up like this was coming) The combining of the bloodstones to make a whole medallion...I thought (again, established WAY back in the Magik, S&I series), that the Beatrix medallion was not only a repository for bloodstones, but a gauge on the level of corruption of that soul. As the bloodstones in the one medallion now represent two souls (Illyana's and Pixie's) it should have rejected one or the other, should not have been completed and done what it did. Remember that, when Belasco made bloodstones, they represented something key Illyana has lost, not this willy-nilly like Witchfire did with Pixie. What's up with this or am I misreading the situation?

[SayOcean]

when was it said that Magik was gonna end up in XForce....unless you meant reignfire and locus were a time traveling Magik and Sunspot

hmmmm

man that sounds like it couldve been cool

[darkclaw]

Yeah, it could have been...too bad it wasn't.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Thank whatever stars or gods still look over Illyana that never happened. It would have been a complete waste of a good character on a bad team.


BTW: During X-Infernus #3, I have two questions. 1) It looks like Kurt stabbed Illyana, killing her. As we know she shows up in NM, how is that possible?

2) (I knew a screw-up like this was coming) The combining of the bloodstones to make a whole medallion...I thought (again, established WAY back in the Magik, S&I series), that the Beatrix medallion was not only a repository for bloodstones, but a gauge on the level of corruption of that soul. As the bloodstones in the one medallion now represent two souls (Illyana's and Pixie's) it should have rejected one or the other, should not have been completed and done what it did. Remember that, when Belasco made bloodstones, they represented something key Illyana has lost, not this willy-nilly like Witchfire did with Pixie. What's up with this or am I misreading the situation?

1) Well, he stabbed her with a Souldagger. That has unpredictable effects that presumably won't include death but will cost Illyana something.

2) Yeah, the Beatrice medallion was dropped (plot-wise) too early the first time around. I would agree with you on the one-soul-per-medallion rule, but it's all quite vague.

[The Black Guardian]

when was it said that Magik was gonna end up in XForce....unless you meant reignfire and locus were a time traveling Magik and Sunspot

hmmmm

man that sounds like it couldve been cool
Waaaay back, before X-Force existed. It was part of Liefeld's plan.

[sunofdarkchild]

oooh i wanna know how is she change

She lost the anger management issues and seemed to become somewhat sadder and was payed more attention to the consequences of her actions.

Kurt definately didn't kill her. She wanted to be stabbed. I also don't think that either soul weapon could pierce her armor, but I'm getting that from the Inferno arc, so it may not mean anything. Kurt freed her to kick Witchfire's ***.

[sunofdarkchild]

2) (I knew a screw-up like this was coming) The combining of the bloodstones to make a whole medallion...I thought (again, established WAY back in the Magik, S&I series), that the Beatrix medallion was not only a repository for bloodstones, but a gauge on the level of corruption of that soul. As the bloodstones in the one medallion now represent two souls (Illyana's and Pixie's) it should have rejected one or the other, should not have been completed and done what it did. Remember that, when Belasco made bloodstones, they represented something key Illyana has lost, not this willy-nilly like Witchfire did with Pixie. What's up with this or am I misreading the situation?

The number of bloodstones forged from Illyana's soul were a gauge for how far Illyana's corruption had spread, but I do not think that they needed to specifically be from Illyana. In New Mutants 14 Illyana said that ideally Belasco needed her life essense to create the last bloodstones, and later a demon created a bloodstone from Kitty's soul. At that time Belasco was tormenting Kazar again to aquire the final two bloodstones.

[MuhollandDriver]

Waaaay back, before X-Force existed. It was part of Liefeld's plan.

Really? Is there an interview with this?

i am not doubting You....i am interested in reading this.

X-Force pretty much caused me to leave mainstream comics for over a decade. Not saying it was bad for everyone...just not what i wanted from a comic book.

[NielsVanEekelen]

when was it said that Magik was gonna end up in XForce....unless you meant reignfire and locus were a time traveling Magik and Sunspot

hmmmm

man that sounds like it couldve been cool

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2613/87818191169newmutantssu.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87818191169newmutantssu.jpg)

FEAR THE LIEFELD!

[Peter F.]

FEAR THE LIEFELD!

Their legs! Dear lord, their legs!

[sunofdarkchild]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2613/87818191169newmutantssu.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87818191169newmutantssu.jpg)

FEAR THE LIEFELD!

I had actually never seen this picture before but,
OH MY GOD! IT AND ESPECIALLY ILLYANA LOOK HORRIBLE!

[SayOcean]

lol im confused...so why didnt he use her this was drawn after inferno right?

[Twisted Bliss]

lol im confused...so why didnt he use her this was drawn after inferno right?

I thought (I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN) but the editors in charge at Marvel didn't want magic associated with the X-franchise.

So keeping Illyana out was their goal. She was related to magic and demonic magic. Not something a family friendly PG13 style Marvel editors wanted.

I agree with whoever said it. It was a good think. Look what he would have done to her. I can't imagine the horrid stories he place her in. Ugh...makes my skin crawl just thinking about him and that attrocious art.

[Leirus]

At first I thought Shatterstar was Illyana. Then I spot her... she looks like some kind of bug with articulate body parts... No, it was good Illyana skipped that age...

[Twisted Bliss]

At first I thought Shatterstar was Illyana. Then I spot her... she looks like some kind of bug with articulate body parts... No, it was good Illyana skipped that age...

Its that evil lions mane of hair that gets me. Not to mention the crotch bulge. :eek:

[Prodigy55]

The legs! My eyessss burn!!!

[darkclaw]

The legs! My eyessss burn!!!
I agree. The best thing ANYONE could have done for Illyana was allow her to languish through this disaster.

[Twisted Bliss]

I agree. The best thing ANYONE could have done for Illyana was allow her to languish through this disaster.

Seeing Roberto and Illyana in the same pic reminded me. Is it my imagination or does his costume look very much like her 2nd 'unofficial' graduation costume.

[jarrod]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2613/87818191169newmutantssu.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87818191169newmutantssu.jpg)

FEAR THE LIEFELD!
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ii8tc5.jpg

[NielsVanEekelen]

I feel like I should make up for the Liefeld, so have some Sienkiewicz:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9868/billsienkiewicz4.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=billsienkiewicz4.jpg)

[SayOcean]

it kinda looks like shes teleporting away

[Justin K.]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2613/87818191169newmutantssu.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=87818191169newmutantssu.jpg)

FEAR THE LIEFELD!

How do the ankles not snap under the weight of the bodies?

[Tilt]

When I saw that pic waaay back when...and I'd hoped she was coming back along with Magma but that isn't what happened. It was quite a blow to me at the time, back then I mostly enjoyed RL's work what with the Levis commercial and all.

I don't know what Rob or Fabian would have done to her, probably not much good seeing what happened to some of the others during the 90s, but I think if they had just ignored the more complex parts of limbo and her history (and didn't attempt any retcons) it might have been ok.

[yanapryde]

That design is hideous.
We are all overcome with joy (RIGHT!!??) that Illyana remained dead until now, avoiding that absolutely disgusting fate.

Chris Yost and Craig Kyle, continuity G_ds, brought her back at the best time possible, with a fantastic story among fantastic characters and we should all let out a good sigh of relief for that.

Hip Hip for CY and CK and of course...Hip Hip for NOT fugly Illyana!!

One week and we learn how Infernus ends!!! Ha-ZAH!:biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana is in a Nightcrawler like pose, has a body that is both over and underdeveloped, and has hair that makes my eyes bleed.

Shouldn't there have been a preview for X-Infernus 4 already?

[Peter F.]

Illyana is in a Nightcrawler like pose, has a body that is both over and underdeveloped, and has hair that makes my eyes bleed.

Shouldn't there have been a preview for X-Infernus 4 already?

Next week's previews don't come out until tomorrow night. Or midnight Friday morning. Depends on your point of reference.

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=Twisted Bliss;8599471]I thought (I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN) but the editors in charge at Marvel didn't want magic associated with the X-franchise.

So keeping Illyana out was their goal. She was related to magic and demonic magic. Not something a family friendly PG13 style Marvel editors wanted.

QUOTE]

Really? So what was all that stuff with Amanda Sefton and the Winding way and her replacing Illyana? That doesn't fit with the theory of them trying to keep magic out of the X-books.

But I do think that it was partially a good thing that it wasn't until now that Illyana returned. The fact that she was dead wasn't a good thing at all, but Illyana would have been written horribly during that time period, like she was in the Truth or Death mini.

[jarrod]

Really? So what was all that stuff with Amanda Sefton and the Winding way and her replacing Illyana? That doesn't fit with the theory of them trying to keep magic out of the X-books.

But I do think that it was partially a good thing that it wasn't until now that Illyana returned. The fact that she was dead wasn't a good thing at all, but Illyana would have been written horribly during that time period, like she was in the Truth or Death mini.
That was Excalibur, so it was okay. Everyone knows Europe is brimming with magic.

[yanapryde]

[QUOTE=Twisted Bliss;8599471]I thought (I DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN) but the editors in charge at Marvel didn't want magic associated with the X-franchise.

So keeping Illyana out was their goal. She was related to magic and demonic magic. Not something a family friendly PG13 style Marvel editors wanted.

QUOTE]

Really? So what was all that stuff with Amanda Sefton and the Winding way and her replacing Illyana? That doesn't fit with the theory of them trying to keep magic out of the X-books.

But I do think that it was partially a good thing that it wasn't until now that Illyana returned. The fact that she was dead wasn't a good thing at all, but Illyana would have been written horribly during that time period, like she was in the Truth or Death mini.

I thought Illyana was written rather well in the Truth or Death mini.
Granted, I didn't much care for the story itself about her being infected with the Legacy Virus by her brother, BUT....I do think her character was written well.

[everydayoccasion]

Sorry if this scan has already been posted, but I just kind of reread this and figured I'd post



http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/wonderwall565/newmutantsannual2-12.jpg

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;8603362]

I thought Illyana was written rather well in the Truth or Death mini.
Granted, I didn't much care for the story itself about her being infected with the Legacy Virus by her brother, BUT....I do think her character was written well.

I loved her reaction to being infected.
Mikhail: "Can you ever forgive me?"
Illyana: "I hope you burn in hell." That was classic.

But I hated almost everything else about the way she was written.

[yanapryde]

What about when she threatened Sam in the Danger Room?
Said he'd better move his hand or she'd slice it off...or something.
That was great!

Or her interaction with the others during Truth or Dare?

When she summoned her soulsword after the 'present day' team decide to attack? Awesome.

I guess I'm just too easy sometimes.

[sunofdarkchild]

Some of my specific complaints were how little regard for time Illyana or any of the New Mutants had, that Illyana took the initial warning in the danger room like she did, and that she acted like a two year old and some pionts with Mikhail.

There was one moment that could have been awsome but was not expanded upon enough: When Douglock said that he couldn't imagine how Kitty could have a friend as selfish as Illyana. That should have had an affect on everyone, from both times. Instead Illyana just brushed it off and no one else reacted.

You may be too easy, but I probably am too harsh. Sometimes I arrogantly feal that I know more about the characters than those writing them, which makes me frustrated.

Spoilers for the Star Wars expanded Universe book series 'Legacy of the Force.'

I had the same problem with the 'Legacy of the Force' book series. Jacen Solo, as he had been written previously, was the least likely character to fall to the dark side. And besides, he simply would never do all that.

[darkclaw]

When I saw that pic waaay back when...and I'd hoped she was coming back along with Magma but that isn't what happened. It was quite a blow to me at the time, back then I mostly enjoyed RL's work what with the Levis commercial and all.

I don't know what Rob or Fabian would have done to her, probably not much good seeing what happened to some of the others during the 90s, but I think if they had just ignored the more complex parts of limbo and her history (and didn't attempt any retcons) it might have been ok.

If characters histories were meant to be ignored by wheomever for whatever reason, then what good is characterization or following a particular person at all. No, what went before should not be re-written at whim but followed closely because that IS what makes Illyana who she is.

[darkclaw]

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;8604429]

You may be too easy, but I probably am too harsh. Sometimes I arrogantly feal that I know more about the characters than those writing them, which makes me frustrated.

QUOTE]

That's the problem. We do. WE have a vested interest in them because we love the characters. We aren't swayed by a paycheck to alter a hero or come up with a storyline that doesn't fit XYZ hero just to get the next year-long plotline going which could, ultimately, ruin a hero's fanbase. (Can anyone say Scarlet Spider or Daredevil attempting to fake his own death?)

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=sunofdarkchild;8604429]

You may be too easy, but I probably am too harsh. Sometimes I arrogantly feal that I know more about the characters than those writing them, which makes me frustrated.

QUOTE]

That's the problem. We do. WE have a vested interest in them because we love the characters. We aren't swayed by a paycheck to alter a hero or come up with a storyline that doesn't fit XYZ hero just to get the next year-long plotline going which could, ultimately, ruin a hero's fanbase. (Can anyone say Scarlet Spider or Daredevil attempting to fake his own death?)

It makes me wish that I owned a majority stock in Marvel and could veto bad stories.

[MartinRedmond]

Sorry if this scan has already been posted, but I just kind of reread this and figured I'd post

Awesome! Thanks ! :)) Those poor demons, they prolly thought they were giving it their best. :(

[everydayoccasion]

Awesome! Thanks ! :)) Those poor demons, they prolly thought they were giving it their best. :(

Ha , yeah.........I have a question , has Illyana met up with Emma since she kind of became queen bee of the X men, I was wondering if Illyana would have the same sort of opinion about her that Kitty did.

[sunofdarkchild]

The only time Illyana saw Emma was when the X-Men tried to capture her in X-Infernus 2. It is unknown if Illyana recognized her or not. But when they do meet Illyana is probably going to at least be extremely cold toward Emma. She might wonder whether the White Queen has the X-Men under mind control.

Hmm. Not likely, but that could be another reason why Illyana would want to reform the New Mutants, to have a group she is sure is outside Emma's control.

[Twisted Bliss]

I'm liking the previews. For X-Infernus #4 However I was hoping to see more Illyana showing her choosing to be good

(Probably not a spoiler but want to play safe)

[x_goalkeeper]

I'm liking the previews. For X-Infernus #4 However I was hoping to see more Illyana showing her choosing to be good

(Probably not a spoiler but want to play safe)

Do you think that will be the choice she makes?

[darkclaw]

I'm liking the previews. For X-Infernus #4 However I was hoping to see more Illyana showing her choosing to be good

(Probably not a spoiler but want to play safe)
Not really a spoiler...otherwise, how does she appear as she does for the NM relaunch? They don't seem like they would trust her if she chose the path with the cloven hooves. But, then again, if we remember Illyana's HISTORY (and I pray the writers will too) didn't she once mention that "the only choice in Limbo is the wrong choice" and "the only way to do what's right is to remove the choice"? I believe these both took place just prior and during the Inferno. So, no matter the choice, is that how she'll end up...or is she hiding something just below the surface?


Question for forum: not much has been mentioned of this, but do you think they will keep Illyana's ultra-mind shield in place? Remember, even Prof. X couldn't access her mind. Might make for some real jumpy times for Emma, not knowing what the new girl's thinking of her.

[MartinRedmond]

Emma'll just kick her out of the compound. There can only be one queen of the hive. God, I need to stop visiting this forum.

[sunofdarkchild]

Not really a spoiler...otherwise, how does she appear as she does for the NM relaunch? They don't seem like they would trust her if she chose the path with the cloven hooves. But, then again, if we remember Illyana's HISTORY (and I pray the writers will too) didn't she once mention that "the only choice in Limbo is the wrong choice" and "the only way to do what's right is to remove the choice"? I believe these both took place just prior and during the Inferno. So, no matter the choice, is that how she'll end up...or is she hiding something just below the surface?


Question for forum: not much has been mentioned of this, but do you think they will keep Illyana's ultra-mind shield in place? Remember, even Prof. X couldn't access her mind. Might make for some real jumpy times for Emma, not knowing what the new girl's thinking of her.

Illyana had been pushed around and driven mad by the evetns of Inferno when she said that. Also, it came from the Simonson run, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

But the mind shield Illyana had, they better keep that in place!! I think they will, since it has been said that there will be trust issues between Illyana and the New Mutants and if they could get Emma to read her thoughts such issues would not arise.

[sunofdarkchild]

Don't read this if you want to avoid spoilers from the X-Infernus 4 preview.


So Illyana's plan was to have Nightcrawler extract the soul sword for use by stabbing her like Pixie stabbed him a while back. Not a bad plan, but Nightcrawler had been knocked out for a while, so I would think that Illyana would be too and thus unable to contribute to the fight.

But she obviously does. And that last panel of her picking up the soul sword again was an awsome cliffhanger.

What do you think are the reasons Witchfire went off the deep end like that? Last I had checked before X-Infernus she was a good guy.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Question for forum: not much has been mentioned of this, but do you think they will keep Illyana's ultra-mind shield in place? Remember, even Prof. X couldn't access her mind. Might make for some real jumpy times for Emma, not knowing what the new girl's thinking of her.

oooh, that could be fun! :evilsmile:

[SayOcean]

Don't read this if you want to avoid spoilers from the X-Infernus 4 preview.


So Illyana's plan was to have Nightcrawler extract the soul sword for use by stabbing her like Pixie stabbed him a while back. Not a bad plan, but Nightcrawler had been knocked out for a while, so I would think that Illyana would be too and thus unable to contribute to the fight.

But she obviously does. And that last panel of her picking up the soul sword again was an awsome cliffhanger.

What do you think are the reasons Witchfire went off the deep end like that? Last I had checked before X-Infernus she was a good guy.Demonic Rag?

[darkclaw]

Demonic Rag?
Keep one hand on your heart when you make a deal with the devil. All the more so when dealing with a council of them.

Question: do you think this is the end of it for Illyana's dealings (or having to tend to issues of) the demonic council? OR do you see this as a recurring storyline?

[MuhollandDriver]

Keep one hand on your heart when you make a deal with the devil. All the more so when dealing with a council of them.

Question: do you think this is the end of it for Illyana's dealings (or having to tend to issues of) the demonic council? OR do you see this as a recurring storyline?

i hope it is recurring. i loved that part of the mini-series.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I agree. It could even tie in to the 'Who Wants to Be a Sorcerer Supreme?' quiz show, um, I mean, story arc just starting in New Avengers as X-Infernus ends, since Illyana is on that issue's cover and Dormammu plays a big role in empowering the Hood.

(By that clairvoyant logic, the secret Illyana will be keeping in New Mutants will be that she's Sorceress Supreme, which she can't reveal until that arc in New Avengers finishes...)

[sunofdarkchild]

I agree. It could even tie in to the 'Who Wants to Be a Sorcerer Supreme?' quiz show, um, I mean, story arc just starting in New Avengers as X-Infernus ends, since Illyana is on that issue's cover and Dormammu plays a big role in empowering the Hood.

(By that clairvoyant logic, the secret Illyana will be keeping in New Mutants will be that she's Sorceress Supreme, which she can't reveal until that arc in New Avengers finishes...)

Niels, you are brilliant!

And if Illyana is going to stay mistess of Limbo then she kind of has to deal with the demonic council or whatever it is called from time to time.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Niels, you are brilliant!

Tell that to Marvel, they're still not returning my calls! :tongue:

Of course, my calls are telepathic, and all the telepaths they work with, they might have psychic jammers in the offices...

[sunofdarkchild]

I've got a portable cerebro that you can use to get your calls through.

[MuhollandDriver]

I agree. It could even tie in to the 'Who Wants to Be a Sorcerer Supreme?' quiz show, um, I mean, story arc just starting in New Avengers as X-Infernus ends, since Illyana is on that issue's cover and Dormammu plays a big role in empowering the Hood.

(By that clairvoyant logic, the secret Illyana will be keeping in New Mutants will be that she's Sorceress Supreme, which she can't reveal until that arc in New Avengers finishes...)

rawr love it!

[IseeFrost]

That'd be great. It's about time the Xmen become part of the MU and have important roles

[darkclaw]

That'd be great. It's about time the Xmen become part of the MU and have important roles
They used to be. What in the world happened to put them to persona non grata status?

[Dagger]

They used to be. What in the world happened to put them to persona non grata status?
Bendis and the Bengers took over and it hasn't been the same since.

[sunofdarkchild]

They used to be. What in the world happened to put them to persona non grata status?

Story wise, three things happened.They lost some say and political power with the mutant depopulation of M day and they refused to get involved in the Civil War, leading to their being ignored even more. Although Emma seems to have dubious connections with Osborne that may change things. Lastly they moved out west, and to be of importance in the Marvel Universe you have to be in New York.

Writing wise I haven't a clue why they've been so unimportant lately.

[darkclaw]

Seems like it's less the fact of having characters that can play important roles and more writers and editors squandering the abundance of talent available to them.

[yanapryde]

Okay Illyana Enthusiasts--

WHAT is going on in the preview pages for the last issue of X-Infernus?

The previous issue ended with Nightcrawler reluctantly driving Pixie's soul dagger into Illyana's chest, followed by being struck down by Limbo-ed Logan and Peter (correct?)

And in the previews.....SPOILER ALERT....


Nightcrawler unsheathed the dagger from Illyana, pulling the soulsword along with it to battle his possessed teammates.

Am I missing something? What is the general consensus on why Nightcrawler needed to soul-stab Illyana with Pixie's soul-blade? And....what was Nightcrawler talking to Pixie about?
I've been scratching my brain and I hate to admit it but I'm really at a loss right now for answers.:frown:

[MartinRedmond]

Has Illyana done anything cool by herself in this series?

[yanapryde]

Has Illyana done anything cool by herself in this series?

She wailed on Pixie.
That was pretty cool. Pretty easy. But pretty cool.
She beheaded some deomons. That was cool.
She schooled the Young X-Men.
Again, pretty easy, I guess, but still pretty cool.

[visi]

Illyana looked pretty cool on the NM variant cover. It'll be nice to have her back in a monthly. If I'm not mistaken it's been a while since she's been in one consistently

[Askani's Flame]

Okay Illyana Enthusiasts--

WHAT is going on in the preview pages for the last issue of X-Infernus?

The previous issue ended with Nightcrawler reluctantly driving Pixie's soul dagger into Illyana's chest, followed by being struck down by Limbo-ed Logan and Peter (correct?)

And in the previews.....SPOILER ALERT....


Nightcrawler unsheathed the dagger from Illyana, pulling the soulsword along with it to battle his possessed teammates.

Am I missing something? What is the general consensus on why Nightcrawler needed to soul-stab Illyana with Pixie's soul-blade? And....what was Nightcrawler talking to Pixie about?
I've been scratching my brain and I hate to admit it but I'm really at a loss right now for answers.:frown:

Well, based off the preview art here is my theory:

Illyana's Soulsword reverted to being back inside her after she lost her battle to Witchfire.

Kurt stabbed Illyana at the end of #3 per her request.

Similar to how when Pixie stabbed Kurt in #1, Illyana's sword came out when the Soul Dagger was removed.

Due to Kurt's connection to the arcane, he can wield them.

By the last preview page, it looks like Illyana is free

[yanapryde]

Illyana looked pretty cool on the NM variant cover. It'll be nice to have her back in a monthly. If I'm not mistaken it's been a while since she's been in one consistently

Um....yes..its been A WHILE.
Years even.

[sunofdarkchild]

Okay Illyana Enthusiasts--

WHAT is going on in the preview pages for the last issue of X-Infernus?

The previous issue ended with Nightcrawler reluctantly driving Pixie's soul dagger into Illyana's chest, followed by being struck down by Limbo-ed Logan and Peter (correct?)

And in the previews.....SPOILER ALERT....


Nightcrawler unsheathed the dagger from Illyana, pulling the soulsword along with it to battle his possessed teammates.

Am I missing something? What is the general consensus on why Nightcrawler needed to soul-stab Illyana with Pixie's soul-blade? And....what was Nightcrawler talking to Pixie about?
I've been scratching my brain and I hate to admit it but I'm really at a loss right now for answers.:frown:

Spoilers

Nighcrawler stabbing Illyana to pull out the soul sword was the same thing Pixie did to him in issue 1. He used it and the soul dagger to free Colossus and Wolverine from Witchfire's control then cut off her hand (bad&$$!). Witchfire knocked the sword away from him, but he had somehow freed Pixie. He then told Pixie to free Illyana, as she was the only one who could stop Witchfire now and Pixie had some connection to her that allowed her to free Illyana.

I don't know how Nightcrawler freed Pixie so that she no longer looked like a demon, and to my knowledge there has been no actual mystic connection between Illyana and Pixie; maybe there is now that they both have bloodstones in the same medallion, but it shouldn't allow Pixie to free Illyana where nobody else can.

Illyana, not counting House of M, has not appeared consistently in a monthly comic since the New Mutants brought her to her parents' house in Russia after Inferno. That was in 1988 or 1989. Shouldn't her parents had expected her to be a few years older than she was when ahe first left them? They never asked about that.

[SayOcean]

you'd think so but the rasputins never really seemed to care what was going on.... all i heard from piotr remembering his homeland is about how hard it was and terrible i mean if i was living in a mansion in america i would invite my parents to live there or at least get them an apartment

[visi]

Um....yes..its been A WHILE.
Years even.

Yeah , that's what I thought, girlfriend has been in limbo for quite a while

[Darkchylde]

Okay, Magik Maniacs and Darkchilde Devotees, X-Infernus # 4 hits the shelves in two days, bringing with it the conclusion (of this chapter) of Illyana's quest for her humanity. It goes without saying that Illyana will be joining the new "New Mutants" series in May, but before we get there we have to leave here. Here, of course, being X-Infernus.

So, what say you all? How do YOU think the story will be resolved?

Personally - and this is, admittedly, wishful thinking on my part - I'm hoping Illyana a) throws down with Witchfire one last time (which looks to be the case based on the previews) and kicks her demonic tail nice and proper; b) claims the power of the Elder Gods for herself (remember, C.B. Cebulski hinted in an interview that Illyana doesn't have the level of power to undo Wanda Maximoff's reality-warping spell, not unless she calls on the Elder Gods; and the Elder Gods have always favored Illyana) and truly becomes a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme; c) undoes Pixie's transformation and restores all or at least part of her soul; d) destorys that damn Soul Shovel that Pixie's been copyright-infringing from Illyana's Soulsword; and d) returns to Earth unburdened by the figurative and literal demons of her past, but now shouldering a responsibility as Limbo's protector and / or one of humanity's last - and best - lines of defense against otherworldly mystical denizens.

Okay, I know, wishful thinking. And a little more than slightly fanboy-ish.

What can I say? I am crazy excited for Illyana's return, and can't wait to see what Zeb Wells does with her character. Here's hoping Illyana plays a prominent role in not just the X-Universe, but the 'magik'-al corners of Marvel as well.

[yanapryde]

Okay, Magik Maniacs and Darkchilde Devotees, X-Infernus # 4 hits the shelves in two days, bringing with it the conclusion (of this chapter) of Illyana's quest for her humanity. It goes without saying that Illyana will be joining the new "New Mutants" series in May, but before we get there we have to leave here. Here, of course, being X-Infernus.

So, what say you all? How do YOU think the story will be resolved?

Personally - and this is, admittedly, wishful thinking on my part - I'm hoping Illyana a) throws down with Witchfire one last time (which looks to be the case based on the previews) and kicks her demonic tail nice and proper; b) claims the power of the Elder Gods for herself (remember, C.B. Cebulski hinted in an interview that Illyana doesn't have the level of power to undo Wanda Maximoff's reality-warping spell, not unless she calls on the Elder Gods; and the Elder Gods have always favored Illyana) and truly becomes a candidate for Sorcerer Supreme; c) undoes Pixie's transformation and restores all or at least part of her soul; d) destorys that damn Soul Shovel that Pixie's been copyright-infringing from Illyana's Soulsword; and d) returns to Earth unburdened by the figurative and literal demons of her past, but now shouldering a responsibility as Limbo's protector and / or one of humanity's last - and best - lines of defense against otherworldly mystical denizens.

Okay, I know, wishful thinking. And a little more than slightly fanboy-ish.

What can I say? I am crazy excited for Illyana's return, and can't wait to see what Zeb Wells does with her character. Here's hoping Illyana plays a prominent role in not just the X-Universe, but the 'magik'-al corners of Marvel as well.

HERE HERE! I really don't think I could have said it better myself. I echo all those same fanboy-ish wishes! Fingers crossed!

[MartinRedmond]

you'd think so but the rasputins never really seemed to care what was going on.... all i heard from piotr remembering his homeland is about how hard it was and terrible i mean if i was living in a mansion in america i would invite my parents to live there or at least get them an apartment

I always wondered why anyone had to share a bedroom when living in a mansion. We always had 4 to 5 bedrooms and I've never lived in a mansion.

I wondered if the X-Men were working for free or they had to pay the prof money to be part of his army as well. :X

[yanapryde]

Here are my 4 faves in their new attire!
I can't wait to have them back together again!!!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Here are my 4 faves in their new attire!
I can't wait to have them back together again!!!

Shiny, new art!

Wow, and you actually give them each distinct features! Yanapryde, I command you to draw a complete fancomic! (Which I, y'know, could write for you if you like. :wink: )

[NielsVanEekelen]

Woohoo!

June:
X-INFERNUS HC
Written by C.B. CEBULSKI
Penciled by GIUSEPPI CAMUNCOLI
Cover by DAVID FINCH
When last we saw Darkchylde, she had claimed the throne of Limbo as her own. And now she's determined to get her soul back, even if she has to conquer Earth in the process. Can the combined forces of the X-Men stop her rampage? They'll have to fight through every demon in Limbo to try. Plus, get the whole story of Magik's exciting return to the Marvel Universe with X-MEN: RETURN OF MAGIK and the X-INFERNUS SAGA! Collecting X-INFERNUS #1-4, X-INFERNUS SAGA and X-MEN: RETURN OF MAGIK MUST HAVE.
152 PGS./Rated T+ ...$24.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-3947-8
Trim size: oversized

[IseeFrost]

X-infernus saga? Oooooo

[yanapryde]

Shiny, new art!

Wow, and you actually give them each distinct features! Yanapryde, I command you to draw a complete fancomic! (Which I, y'know, could write for you if you like. :wink: )

I'm intrigued, actually.

If you'd like to email me a fancomic script, I'd definitely consider illustrating it!
For further examples of my sequential art work...feel free to visit my facebook or myspace page. You can private message me for the link if you like.

But ya, definitely interested in reading your take on these characters! That would be awesome!

[The Black Guardian]

I always wondered why anyone had to share a bedroom when living in a mansion. We always had 4 to 5 bedrooms and I've never lived in a mansion.

I wondered if the X-Men were working for free or they had to pay the prof money to be part of his army as well. :X
Indeed, especially after they published the floorplan of the mansion. In the original mansion, there were something like 22 bedrooms, not including Xavier's. The place must have been scary deserted when it was just the O6.

As near as I can tell, it's mostly a social thing. Xavier didn't want his students isolating themselves too much. Having a roommate can be a good thing: having someone to talk to, to help with homework, etc.

[NielsVanEekelen]

X-infernus saga? Oooooo

It's here (http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/X-Infernus_Saga.2008.1) if you haven't seen it--never appeared in print yet. :smile:

I'm intrigued, actually.

If you'd like to email me a fancomic script, I'd definitely consider illustrating it!
For further examples of my sequential art work...feel free to visit my facebook or myspace page. You can private message me for the link if you like.

But ya, definitely interested in reading your take on these characters! That would be awesome!

Really now. I will definitely get back to you on that. :biggrin:

(I may possibly have already looked up your MySpace through the link in your profile to see if you had more drawings of Illyana there. :wink: )

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm intrigued, actually.

If you'd like to email me a fancomic script, I'd definitely consider illustrating it!
For further examples of my sequential art work...feel free to visit my facebook or myspace page. You can private message me for the link if you like.

But ya, definitely interested in reading your take on these characters! That would be awesome!


How about making comics out of some of those fanfiction stories previously mentioned?

[Prodigy55]

Here are my 4 faves in their new attire!
I can't wait to have them back together again!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing!

[darkclaw]

Spoilers

Nighcrawler stabbing Illyana to pull out the soul sword was the same thing Pixie did to him in issue 1. He used it and the soul dagger to free Colossus and Wolverine from Witchfire's control then cut off her hand (bad&$$!). Witchfire knocked the sword away from him, but he had somehow freed Pixie. He then told Pixie to free Illyana, as she was the only one who could stop Witchfire now and Pixie had some connection to her that allowed her to free Illyana.

I don't know how Nightcrawler freed Pixie so that she no longer looked like a demon, and to my knowledge there has been no actual mystic connection between Illyana and Pixie; maybe there is now that they both have bloodstones in the same medallion, but it shouldn't allow Pixie to free Illyana where nobody else can.

Illyana, not counting House of M, has not appeared consistently in a monthly comic since the New Mutants brought her to her parents' house in Russia after Inferno. That was in 1988 or 1989. Shouldn't her parents had expected her to be a few years older than she was when ahe first left them? They never asked about that.

Ummmmmmmmmm...to the best of my knowledge, I believe such a link occured when Illyana cast the first bloodstone of Pixie during Quest for Magik, Illyana hinted to the fact that this happening would help her recover her own lost soul, though not how, precisely. Remeber, there was a link with Kitty based on a lot less (at least in the early going) and how Kurt figures into the Soulsword still remains a mystery to me based on the fact (again, hitting on the ORIGINAL series) that not everyone could even hold the Soulsword. Back then, Kitty could, but she was the only one...even Kurt wasn't back then. What's changed and why? And how will this tie into the life of our favorite mutant?:confused:

[yanapryde]

It's here (http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/titles/X-Infernus_Saga.2008.1) if you haven't seen it--never appeared in print yet. :smile:



Really now. I will definitely get back to you on that. :biggrin:

(I may possibly have already looked up your MySpace through the link in your profile to see if you had more drawings of Illyana there. :wink: )

I'm excited.
And yes, I only have ONE other drawing of Illyana, alongside Anole, on that site.

[sunofdarkchild]

Ummmmmmmmmm...to the best of my knowledge, I believe such a link occured when Illyana cast the first bloodstone of Pixie during Quest for Magik, Illyana hinted to the fact that this happening would help her recover her own lost soul, though not how, precisely. Remeber, there was a link with Kitty based on a lot less (at least in the early going) and how Kurt figures into the Soulsword still remains a mystery to me based on the fact (again, hitting on the ORIGINAL series) that not everyone could even hold the Soulsword. Back then, Kitty could, but she was the only one...even Kurt wasn't back then. What's changed and why? And how will this tie into the life of our favorite mutant?:confused:

No, the purpose of making bloodstones from Pixie was to forge a new soul sword because Darkchylde somehow lost the ability to summon the true one and she thought that it would be impossible to beat Belasco without it. No real hint about it having anything to do with getting her soul back.

The sword originally could only be used by Illyana and Kitty, then in Inferno S'ym took it, and afterwards it could be wielded by anybody. Even Dr. Doom wielded it at one point.

[yanapryde]

No, the purpose of making bloodstones from Pixie was to forge a new soul sword because Darkchylde somehow lost the ability to summon the true one and she thought that it would be impossible to beat Belasco without it. No real hint about it having anything to do with getting her soul back.

The sword originally could only be used by Illyana and Kitty, then in Inferno S'ym took it, and afterwards it could be wielded by anybody. Even Dr. Doom wielded it at one point.

I think/hope we've all come to an agreement that we all disavow and disregard any stories involving Illyana's sword post Inferno. ha ha ha.
They kicked all that lovely Illyana history through the mud and I think we would all like to forget it even happened.
In fact...it didn't.
Soul Steel. People holding her sword other than Kitty, Kurt, Amanda or herself? Never happened. Erase it from your minds friends. Its better that way. RETCON!:wink:

[sunofdarkchild]

Woohoo!

June:X-INFERNUS HC
Written by C.B. CEBULSKI
Penciled by GIUSEPPI CAMUNCOLI
Cover by DAVID FINCH
When last we saw Darkchylde, she had claimed the throne of Limbo as her own. And now she's determined to get her soul back, even if she has to conquer Earth in the process. Can the combined forces of the X-Men stop her rampage? They'll have to fight through every demon in Limbo to try. Plus, get the whole story of Magik's exciting return to the Marvel Universe with X-MEN: RETURN OF MAGIK and the X-INFERNUS SAGA! Collecting X-INFERNUS #1-4, X-INFERNUS SAGA and X-MEN: RETURN OF MAGIK MUST HAVE.
152 PGS./Rated T+ ...$24.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-3947-8
Trim size: oversized

Funny that the actual story didn't go like that. Illyana didn't try to conquer or do anything to the Earth and the X-Men haven't been trying to stop any rampage on her part. The New/Young X-Men did for a couple of pages and got their butts handed to them, but the rampage/needs to be stopped person is Witchfire.

To give my two cents on the 'predictions' for X-Infernus 4; thank Darkchylde for the idea yesterday. My prediction is that Illyana fights and beats Witchfire, hopefully by herself, but the portal to release the Elder Gods remains open. Illyana decides to sacrifice herself again to close it, but Pixie stops her and the two of them are able to come up with some plan to destroy the bloodstones, closing the portal and undoing the taints on their souls. Everyone then goes home, and Colossus is so happy to have Illyana back and Illyana is so happy to be back that they both forget about Kitty (I mean that part as a joke, but it may be true.)

I'm still hoping that Pixie will just roll over and die instead of helping out, but that's never gonna happen.

[sunofdarkchild]

I think/hope we've all come to an agreement that we all disavow and disregard any stories involving Illyana's sword post Inferno. ha ha ha.
They kicked all that lovely Illyana history through the mud and I think we would all like to forget it even happened.
In fact...it didn't.
Soul Steel. People holding her sword other than Kitty, Kurt, Amanda or herself? Never happened. Erase it from your minds friends. Its better that way. RETCON!:wink:

Excaliber and the Simonson run on New Mutants were just bad dreams... they never happened... they never happened... oh God they were nightmares!

But dreams don't need to be retconned.

[yanapryde]

Excaliber and the Simonson run on New Mutants were just bad dreams... they never happened... they never happened... oh God they were nightmares!

But dreams don't need to be retconned.

My bad. I misused the word retcon.
What I meant was.....erase them from history.
Maybe even a formal apology for their having been written by Marvel at the next big Con. ha ha ha.
They could even have an actress show up dressed as Illyana (please be Kristen Bell, please be Kristen Bell) to give a speech. ha ha ha :tongue:

[MuhollandDriver]

Here's this!

http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n453/RunicFalcon/magik-2.jpg

[darkclaw]

No, the purpose of making bloodstones from Pixie was to forge a new soul sword because Darkchylde somehow lost the ability to summon the true one and she thought that it would be impossible to beat Belasco without it. No real hint about it having anything to do with getting her soul back.

The sword originally could only be used by Illyana and Kitty, then in Inferno S'ym took it, and afterwards it could be wielded by anybody. Even Dr. Doom wielded it at one point.


On the matter of S'ym, he was an intregal side character in the old series. Any chance the toadie sticks around or has he pretty well bought it where Illyana is concerned? Thoughts from the panel?

[Twisted Bliss]

On the matter of S'ym, he was an intregal side character in the old series. Any chance the toadie sticks around or has he pretty well bought it where Illyana is concerned? Thoughts from the panel?

I'm hoping he will survive. If Illyana is still ruler or Limbo, or retains a level of control regardless of Bitchfire then I'm rooting for her keeping his essence alive.

Besides if he has no soul she can whip together the same spell Belasco used to get her back but without the soul hunting she's having to do.

[The Black Guardian]

On the matter of S'ym, he was an intregal side character in the old series. Any chance the toadie sticks around or has he pretty well bought it where Illyana is concerned? Thoughts from the panel?
Demons are tough to kill. But I hope we've seen the last of S'ym for a while.

N'Astirh, on the other hand...

[yanapryde]

WHO has been lucky enough to read the last issue???

Anyone??

ANYONE??

[darkclaw]

Not me, yet...I'm waiting with baited breath, though.

[darkclaw]

WHO has been lucky enough to read the last issue???

Anyone??

ANYONE??
Not me, yet...I'm waiting with baited breath, though.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Demons are tough to kill. But I hope we've seen the last of S'ym for a while.

N'Astirh, on the other hand...

Yeah, we haven't seen N'Astirth in X-Infernus, have we?

During Quest for Magik, Illyana was keeping a decidedly less eloquent N'Astirth on a chain, to my great amusement.

WHO has been lucky enough to read the last issue???

Anyone??

ANYONE??

*cries the tears of faraway Europeans with a day's delay*

[Darkchylde]

WHO has been lucky enough to read the last issue???

Anyone??

ANYONE??

SPOILER SPACE

I read it. In a nutshell, Witchfire uses the last bloodstone to complete the medallion and summon the Elder Gods, who begin to approach Limbo and Belasco's castle. Illyana, now freed from her shackles, approaches Witchfire, who is stunned to discover that her magicks have no effect on Illyana's armor.

Turns out, after getting freed by Nightcrawler and Pixie, and before confronting Witchfire, Illyana had Mercury coat herslef as additional armor around Illyana. Surprised by the ruse, Witchfire is distracted long enough for Mercury to stab her in the gut. Illyana slashes at Witchfire with the Soulsword, then tells Pixie that they have to combine their powers to stop the Elder Gods' approach.

Illyana and Pixie strike at the Beatrix Medallion with the Soulsword and Pixie's dagger, and the last bloodstone is removed from its place. The Elder Gods retreat, and it looks like Witchfire is sucked away with them; but she now has the medallion, including the missing piece of Pixie's soul that she stole from Illyana last issue.

Pixie is despondent, then realizes that her dagger has grown in length (it's not a sword, but it's no longer the spatula she was carrying around for almost two years) and that the fifth bloodstone is etched into the dagger. Still upset that she wasn't able to retrieve the missing piece of her soul, and that another bloodstone was conjured, Pixie flies away in anger. Illyana teleports the other X-Men home.
(It should be noted that it looks as though Pixie did not join them, but rather flew off into the wilds of Limbo with her new and improved dagger in hand.)

Illyana arrives at the X-Men's base, where her former New Mutants comrades are waiting with Scott, Armor, Dazzler, etc. Cannonball asks if Illyana was really back, to which she says 'no' and starts to leave. However, Cyclops asks her to stay, telling her that she's family and they need her. Colossus also implores Illyana to stay, and she finally relents, apprehensively.

The end. The last page of the issue features a promo for the new New Mutants series, and says Illyana's story continues there.

** Oh, and in response to a previous post, N'astirh was seen briefly in the opening pages of X-Infernus # 1. He was part of Illyana's army that marched to that demon sorcerer's lair.

[broodjeork]

sweet..... but pixie is now in limbo? hehehe

on a side note, mercury kicks ass

[NielsVanEekelen]

Okay, I'm not looking at any of the posts to make sure I don't see spoilers, but for when it's safe to read, someone should also tell us if 'Yana's in New Avengers #51, the start of the Sorcerer Supreme arc.

:cool: <-- eyes closed

[Darkchylde]

sweet..... but pixie is now in limbo? hehehe

on a side note, mercury kicks ass


It looks as though Pixie just... flew off into Limbo after realizing she'd lost another piece of her soul and that one of the bloodstones is now part of her dagger.

In any case, she didn't appear to be with the other X-Men when Illyana teleported them all home. I checked several times to be sure.

[psycwave]

SPOILER SPACE

I read it. In a nutshell, Witchfire uses the last bloodstone to complete the medallion and summon the Elder Gods, who begin to approach Limbo and Belasco's castle. Illyana, now freed from her shackles, approaches Witchfire, who is stunned to discover that her magicks have no effect on Illyana's armor.

Turns out, after getting freed by Nightcrawler and Pixie, and before confronting Witchfire, Illyana had Mercury coat herslef as additional armor around Illyana. Surprised by the ruse, Witchfire is distracted long enough for Mercury to stab her in the gut. Illyana slashes at Witchfire with the Soulsword, then tells Pixie that they have to combine their powers to stop the Elder Gods' approach.

Illyana and Pixie strike at the Beatrix Medallion with the Soulsword and Pixie's dagger, and the last bloodstone is removed from its place. The Elder Gods retreat, and it looks like Witchfire is sucked away with them; but she now has the medallion, including the missing piece of Pixie's soul that she stole from Illyana last issue.

Pixie is despondent, then realizes that her dagger has grown in length (it's not a sword, but it's no longer the spatula she was carrying around for almost two years) and that the fifth bloodstone is etched into the dagger. Still upset that she wasn't able to retrieve the missing piece of her soul, and that another bloodstone was conjured, Pixie flies away in anger. Illyana teleports the other X-Men home.
(It should be noted that it looks as though Pixie did not join them, but rather flew off into the wilds of Limbo with her new and improved dagger in hand.)

Illyana arrives at the X-Men's base, where her former New Mutants comrades are waiting with Scott, Armor, Dazzler, etc. Cannonball asks if Illyana was really back, to which she says 'no' and starts to leave. However, Cyclops asks her to stay, telling her that she's family and they need her. Colossus also implores Illyana to stay, and she finally relents, apprehensively.

The end. The last page of the issue features a promo for the new New Mutants series, and says Illyana's story continues there.

** Oh, and in response to a previous post, N'astirh was seen briefly in the opening pages of X-Infernus # 1. He was part of Illyana's army that marched to that demon sorcerer's lair.

MAGNIFICENT
OMG I NEED SCANS TO HOLD ME OVER TILL I GET MY ISSUE!!!

[yanapryde]

Okay, I'm not looking at any of the posts to make sure I don't see spoilers, but for when it's safe to read, someone should also tell us if 'Yana's in New Avengers #51, the start of the Sorcerer Supreme arc.

:cool: <-- eyes closed


THIS I can answer for you.
Regarding New Avengers #51.....

No Yana.
She's only on the cover.
That's it.

[yanapryde]

It looks as though Pixie just... flew off into Limbo after realizing she'd lost another piece of her soul and that one of the bloodstones is now part of her dagger.

In any case, she didn't appear to be with the other X-Men when Illyana teleported them all home. I checked several times to be sure.

So she flew off.
Her soul dagger got a magical erection, causing it to grow but its all because of the bloodstone herpe that Witchfire caused? And she bailed?

Did anyone react to this? I mean....go after her? Try to stop her?
Were Santo and Cessily concerned about returning to earth without her??

not that I'm really all THAT concerned....:rolleyes:

[Darkchylde]

So she flew off.
Her soul dagger got a magical erection, causing it to grow but its all because of the bloodstone herpe that Witchfire caused? And she bailed?

Did anyone react to this? I mean....go after her? Try to stop her?
Were Santo and Cessily concerned about returning to earth without her??

not that I'm really all THAT concerned....:rolleyes:

To quote the actual issue:

Pixie: (after noticing her dagger's new appearance and the bloodstone in it) What--?! The dagger's blade... does this mean...?!

Illyana: The part of your soul that Witchfire stole is in that stone.

Pixie: NONONONONONONONO

(Pixie flies off)

Nightcrawler: Pixie, wait!

Illyana: Let her go.

That's the extent of their reaction.

[The Black Guardian]

Not concerned about Pixie. She's the most awesomest teleporter ever, right? F--- her.

[sunofdarkchild]

Spoilers.


I'm a little disappointed that we never found out what Witchfire's motivations were, although that story is still open, as she still has the medallion on her. The use of Mercury was well thought out, and it had the bonus benofot of keeping Pixie from interfering in Witchfire's defeat.

It looks like Pixie will be going into comic book limbo herself for at least a few months (yay!!) and may return as Darth Pixie. I'm looking forward to future showdowns between her and Illyana. Maybe Pixie will free Witchfire to try to get the other bloodstone back.

[psycwave]

Soooo Illyana still didnt get her soul? I thought that was what all this was about?!

[Darkchylde]

Soooo Illyana still didnt get her soul? I thought that was what all this was about?!

SPOILER SPACE

Nope, Illyana never got her soul back. Witchfire got sucked into whatever dimension the Elder Gods came from, and took the Beatrix Medallion - which still contained three of Illyana's bloodstones and one of Pixie's - with her. Illyana told Kurt she wasn't human because she had no soul, and Kurt gave her a pep talk about how he looks like a demon but feels like a man, blah blah blah.

Or something like that.

[yanapryde]

Soooo Illyana still didnt get her soul? I thought that was what all this was about?!

Illyana didn't get ALL of her soul back.

When Belasco magically brought Illyana back, she was ENTIRELY soul-LESS. A demon with all of Illyana's memories.

BUT.... she DID regain her SOULSWORD which....is a big chunk of her soul, essentially putting her back at square one.

Square one being: back when she was a new mutant way back when.
Since Illyana had 3 stones (?) forged from pieces of her soul while in Limbo initially with Belasco, and then she forged the soulsword.:wink:

[Prodigy55]

X-Infernus was awesome, but poor Pixie :(
I loved the part when Mercury disguised herself as Magik's armour.

[DiamondHart]

What do you guys think of Cyclops being the one convincing her to stay?

[sunofdarkchild]

What do you guys think of Cyclops being the one convincing her to stay?

More likely that Colossus truly got her to stay, but either way I don't care. Actually, I've thought of Cyclops as a non entity since Uncanny 175, the last time he was cool. Since then he has seemed like a waste of space. The X movies reinforced that thought.

[yanapryde]

What do you guys think of Cyclops being the one convincing her to stay?

I realize that the majority of....readers.....has written Scott off as the 'big bad' lately but I found his speech to be spot on. Scott is all about unification and I think everything he said rang true.

I'm in the "Cyclops does what needs doing" camp. Sorry gang.
And his insistence that Illyana remain with them just adds emphasis.:smile:

[Prodigy55]

I know it was technically Cyclops who said stay, but her brother and the New Mutants were also there, so I think it was just the whole room that convinced her.

[yanapryde]

I know it was technically Cyclops who said stay, but her brother and the New Mutants were also there, so I think it was just the whole room that convinced her.

Yes. Cyclops' and Colossus' words...along with all her friends present and NOT objecting.

Although, I have to admit (and I kinda hate doing it) but it would have been pretty hilarious if Pixie had NOT sped off in Limbo and had a fit when everyone encouraged Illyana to stay. You know?

Pixie: "Ooooh HELL NO!!! This is some HORSE $@%*!! That $#%^ did this to me! I'll be damned if she's welcomed with open arms!!

Armor: "You're already damned. Remember?"

<Big group laugh like at the end of an 80's cartoon> Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!

[Wind Rider]

Yeaaaaaayy for Illyana's return, but I think the story wrapped up too quickly. At least she is now has some of her soul back with the soul sword (if I'm correct).

edit: taking the Pixie stuff to another thread.....

[sunofdarkchild]

Sha na na na, sha na na na, hey hey, bye bye Pixie.

[darkclaw]

Yeaaaaaayy for Illyana's return, but I think the story wrapped up too quickly. At least she is now has some of her soul back with the soul sword (if I'm correct).

edit: taking the Pixie stuff to another thread.....

I'll agree it seemed like a hurry-up ending...very little got truly resolved...but this is not a bad thing, per se. It leaves a lot of potential storylines (Pixie, Witchfire, the soulquest and the Elder Gods) all out there to come in at any time...thus proving they intend to keep Illyana around a while.

I also see, in what happened to Pixie, the first potential trust issue. After all that Illyana has suffered in Limbo, why would she be SO free to just let Pixie go? One would think that she would be the first to chase after her and tell her, "Girl, you do NOT want to do that. Trust me, I know. I've been there." Chalk it up to mental and emotional exhaustion or whatever, this won't sit well with many,

[darkclaw]

More likely that Colossus truly got her to stay, but either way I don't care. Actually, I've thought of Cyclops as a non entity since Uncanny 175, the last time he was cool. Since then he has seemed like a waste of space. The X movies reinforced that thought.

I'm really trying to remember a time I actually EVER thought he was cool. He always stuck me as a neurotic, manic/depressive who was obessesed with Jean. I was SO much happier when (WAY, WAY back when) Ororo was appointed the team leader and he left.

[NielsVanEekelen]

So, do we think Pixie has something to do with the aroows in the New Mutants preview pages, then? Two factions in Limbo warring for control? :smile:

Although I have to point out--Pixie is returning to Earth. She was in Mike A. Choi's Messiah War sketches in the Young Guns freebie, so she'll apparently be in that. (The "A." is for "Awesome".)


THIS I can answer for you.
Regarding New Avengers #51.....

No Yana.
She's only on the cover.
That's it.

FALSE ADVERTISING!

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm really trying to remember a time I actually EVER thought he was cool. He always stuck me as a neurotic, manic/depressive who was obessesed with Jean. I was SO much happier when (WAY, WAY back when) Ororo was appointed the team leader and he left.

Agreed. When I look back, Uncanny 175 was actually the only time Cyclops was cool. At every other appearance he fit your description perfectly.

I wasn't the only one who was happy that Cyclops died in X-Men 3, was I.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Although I have to point out--Pixie is returning to Earth. She was in Mike A. Choi's Messiah War sketches in the Young Guns freebie, so she'll apparently be in that. (The "A." is for "Awesome".)

So turns out I was wrong and Pixie and others from those sketches weren't in Choi's contribution to Messiah War. (Hadn't realized that also came out this week.)

Still believe she's coming back, though. Maybe this just means there's more Mike Choi X-work coming. Come to think of it, he must draw Illyana.


Wow, got a bit off-topic there, huh? I'll just add, then, that writing fancomics starring Illyana is a lot of fun, and takes up time one should be working. :wink:

[darkclaw]

Wow, got a bit off-topic there, huh? I'll just add, then, that writing fancomics starring Illyana is a lot of fun, and takes up time one should be working. :wink:

Isn't it nice to be able to do work you LOVE doing!? Not everybody gets that chance and fancomics are important!:biggrin: :wink:

[The Black Guardian]

Agreed. When I look back, Uncanny 175 was actually the only time Cyclops was cool. At every other appearance he fit your description perfectly.

I wasn't the only one who was happy that Cyclops died in X-Men 3, was I.
See my sig.:evilsmile:

[darkclaw]

1) Now that X-Infernus is done, when does NM #1 hit the shelves?
2) Will it be available for subscription? (asking because I am handicapped and not able to get out well.)

[SayOcean]

1) Now that X-Infernus is done, when does NM #1 hit the shelves?
2) Will it be available for subscription? (asking because I am handicapped and not able to get out well.)
1. i think in may
2.dont know

[drwho]

I really dont like the characterization of magik saying let the girl pixie go run around in limbo by herself to whine. Magik is awesome, but it is her fault the girl is in the situation in the first place. Perhaps magik should just slice pixie with her soulsword and put pixie out of her misery.

[sunofdarkchild]

I really dont like the characterization of magik saying let the girl pixie go run around in limbo by herself to whine. Magik is awesome, but it is her fault the girl is in the situation in the first place. Perhaps magik should just slice pixie with her soulsword and put pixie out of her misery.

Slicing Pixie in half will end some misery for all of us.

[NielsVanEekelen]

1) Now that X-Infernus is done, when does NM #1 hit the shelves?
2) Will it be available for subscription? (asking because I am handicapped and not able to get out well.)

1) May 6th. Although I'm rooting for a one-week delay so that the new series will start on my birthday.:tongue:

2) Yes. http://subscriptions.marvel.com/title/NEW_MUTANTS :smile:

I really dont like the characterization of magik saying let the girl pixie go run around in limbo by herself to whine. Magik is awesome, but it is her fault the girl is in the situation in the first place. Perhaps magik should just slice pixie with her soulsword and put pixie out of her misery.

Well, something traumatic just happened to Pixie (and Illyana can relate to that sort of thing) so giving her a bit of private time to deal with it might actually be best.

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=NielsVanEekelen;8671077]1) May 6th. Although I'm rooting for a one-week delay so that the new series will start on my birthday.:tongue:

QUOTE]

Hey! I want my Illyana and New Mutants to come as soon as possible. No hoping for delays allowed.

[darkclaw]

I think I would agree to the sentiment. Any idea if a firm team is assigned? If so, whom and how do they rank, both individually and as a team?

[yanapryde]

I think I would agree to the sentiment. Any idea if a firm team is assigned? If so, whom and how do they rank, both individually and as a team?

Is this a legitimate question?
And if so....are you referring to the New Mutants team members??
And if you are...have you read ANY of the posts here or on the New Mutants forum?????????

[darkclaw]

Is this a legitimate question?
And if so....are you referring to the New Mutants team members??
And if you are...have you read ANY of the posts here or on the New Mutants forum?????????
No, yanapryde, NONONONONONONONONONONONO! I meant a writing/art team! Whose the penciller? Inker? Writer? and how do they rank!?!?!?!?!

[4sake]

No, yanapryde, NONONONONONONONONONONONO! I meant a writing/art team! Whose the penciller? Inker? Writer? and how do they rank!?!?!?!?!

Zeb Wells - writer
I like his work that I've read ( Young Avengers & Runaways : Civil War)

http://www.comicvine.com/zeb-wells/26-43083/

http://www.comicvine.com/zeb-wells/26-43083/issues-cover/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeb_Wells

Diogenes Neves - Art
love his art on X-MEN: WORLDS APART

http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?artist=Diogenes%20Neves

[yanapryde]

With the New Mutants debut approaching soon...I make art!!

This is the first image I'd ever seen of Illyana in an X-Men guide magazine and I fell in love.
I know Brett Blevins isn't everyone's favorite New Mutants illustrator but he made me fall for Illyana and provided me the motivation to look back and collect and love

Here's Brett's rendering alongside my own of Magik in her current visage (with a few creative liberties on my part to her uniform)

[darkclaw]

With the New Mutants debut approaching soon...I make art!!

I know Brett Blevins isn't everyone's favorite New Mutants illustrator but he made me fall for Illyana and provided me the motivation to look back and collect and love

Here's Brett's rendering alongside my own of Magik in her current visage (with a few creative liberties on my part to her uniform)

You are corect. I, for one, might have hoped for some of the artwork stylings of the earlier issues (more realistic, so to speak). Blevins' style strikes as too cartoony for even those folks at Archie.


My thoughts on Blevins aside, you're work is fantastic! Any chance of Marvel dropping him from the project and hiring you?

[sunofdarkchild]

An interview with Zeb Wells where he talks about what Illyana will be doing in the new New Mutants series.

"She'll definitely be a permanent member of the team, but we'll be playing a lot with Illyana's role and where she fits in because she's really a creature of two worlds at this point. Everything isn't gonna be hunky dory when you've spent half your life being raised by demons and basically living in Hell. But also, there's the fact that she's a time traveler, she's a teleporter, and so nothing that has to do with Illyana I think will ever normalize because she's gonna constantly be the wild card of the team. But at the same time, I really want to make sure that she's a part of the team at all times.

At first, we kind of meet an Illyana that's a little older and wiser than the one at the end of X-INFERNUS, but by the end of the third or fourth story arc that we have planned we'll see how all the X-INFERNUS stuff fits into [NEW MUTANTS]."

He mentioned the time travel element! And does this mean that the series starts in Marvel time a long time after X-Infernus?

[sunofdarkchild]

There are also now color preview images of the first issue. I can't find a version of them that I can transfer here. Maybe someone else can? It is officially Magik's armor that was destroyed in that image we saw waaaay back when. There is also a page where a little blond girl is playing with a doll and talking to a teenage or young adult brunette. Could that be a flashback to a little Illyana and Kitty?

[NielsVanEekelen]

He mentioned the time travel element! And does this mean that the series starts in Marvel time a long time after X-Infernus?

I have a suspicion that it means Illyana has been timetraveling--perhaps she's been in Limbo for some time again. (I hope it's not a way to have her catch up in age to the others.)

[NielsVanEekelen]

There are also now color preview images of the first issue. I can't find a version of them that I can transfer here. Maybe someone else can? It is officially Magik's armor that was destroyed in that image we saw waaaay back when. There is also a page where a little blond girl is playing with a doll and talking to a teenage or young adult brunette. Could that be a flashback to a little Illyana and Kitty?

Yup, that's my assumption, about the flashback.

Marvel.com has blocked downloading of their images--not that Firefox can't get around that *whistles innocently*--but easy enough for everyone to hop over there from this thread to go look.

[sunofdarkchild]

They said that the first arc focuses on Karma more than the others, but the images shown suggest that the first issue will be very Illyana heavy (not a bad thing at all).

[darkclaw]

They said that the first arc focuses on Karma more than the others, but the images shown suggest that the first issue will be very Illyana heavy (not a bad thing at all).

Remember, Illyana was always David's main headache in the old days. No reason that should stop.


And, it IS entirely possible for the issue's focus to be on KArma and still be Illyana heavy. Number1, as above, Illyana is used to David Haller and 2. X'ian has NEVER been the most comfortable around Illyana, thus possibly starting the 'trust' issues we've gone round and round on in here.

[drwho]

Wait so if the Illyanna in our New Mutants wont be the current one then where the hell is the current one going to be? :confused: Something feels like we still wont have our Illyanna back yet.

[yanapryde]

Wait so if the Illyanna in our New Mutants wont be the current one then where the hell is the current one going to be? :confused: Something feels like we still wont have our Illyanna back yet.

this IS OUR ILLYANA.

CEASE further debating!!!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Our opinions match like out avatars do!

There is no reason at all to believe that this girl in the preview is an altogether different blonde Russian demonic chick.

[Darkchylde]

Wait so if the Illyanna in our New Mutants wont be the current one then where the hell is the current one going to be? :confused: Something feels like we still wont have our Illyanna back yet.

No, this IS our Illyana, the same one that Belasco resurrected in "Quest for Magik", in New X-Men, and who battled Witchfire for her soul in X-Infernus.

Wells' comment that the Illyana we meet in the opening arc of New Mutants is different from the one we last saw is perhaps subjective; however, I took that to mean that a certain amount of time had passed between Infernus and Mutants (Wells even says as much in his interview on Marvel.com) and that Illyana was slightly older when the series begins.

[darkclaw]

No, this IS our Illyana, the same one that Belasco resurrected in "Quest for Magik", in New X-Men, and who battled Witchfire for her soul in X-Infernus.

Wells' comment that the Illyana we meet in the opening arc of New Mutants is different from the one we last saw is perhaps subjective; however, I took that to mean that a certain amount of time had passed between Infernus and Mutants (Wells even says as much in his interview on Marvel.com) and that Illyana was slightly older when the series begins.
My hope is only that "a little older" and 'time passed' doesn't equate to a code for "permission to take Illyana act howsoever I want regardless of what has occurred and say it happened in the interim"

[Prodigy55]

drwho confuses me. There's only 1 Illyana right?

[yanapryde]

drwho confuses me. There's only 1 Illyana right?

Kindly ignore the good Doctor's previous post.
There is 1 Illyana. She is the true Illyana.
Yost and Cebulski went to great continuity establishing and integrating lengths to make these wonderful events happen for us, and we should all be happy.

We are skeptics no more, friends.
Believe!

[Peter F.]

Wait, so the child Illyana who died was soulless?

I mean if her soul was in pieces in the Soulsword and the Bloodstone Amulet, then why didn't the kid Illyana notice while the Darkchylde did?

[yanapryde]

Wait, so the child Illyana who died was soulless?

I mean if her soul was in pieces in the Soulsword and the Bloodstone Amulet, then why didn't the kid Illyana notice while the Darkchylde did?

Belasco wasn't able to resurrect the child.
He was only able to resurrect her darkychilde persona.
Magic is tricky like that.

We, as fans, also have to make a few "what???" allowances given the rumors that the original plan to bring Illyana back from the dead never followed through.
The original idea was that Illyana simply swapped her younger self (found in Limbo) with her current teenage self-all demony during Limbo to 'reverse' the effects.
But that never came to fruition.
So....we disregard and accept the immensely creative route they've taken instead.

[drwho]

So when exactly did x-infernus take place? Where is illyanna in the mean time? Is she hanging out as a Dazzler groupie and is that where we will see her? How much time is going to supposedly passing to make a big difference in the character to have the writer make the comment like that?

[NielsVanEekelen]

So when exactly did x-infernus take place? Where is illyanna in the mean time? Is she hanging out as a Dazzler groupie and is that where we will see her? How much time is going to supposedly passing to make a big difference in the character to have the writer make the comment like that?

We won't know how much time has passed between X-Infernus and New Mutants #1 until New Mutants #1 actually comes out. :cool:

Chronologically, I expect not all that much, but since we're dealing with a timetraveler who once spent seven years in a few seconds, anything is possible...

[4sake]

So when exactly did x-infernus take place? Where is illyanna in the mean time? Is she hanging out as a Dazzler groupie and is that where we will see her? How much time is going to supposedly passing to make a big difference in the character to have the writer make the comment like that?

It took place after the last arc (Lovelorn) of of Unanny X-men. I don't know about the timeline between it & New Mutants.

[sunofdarkchild]

What the hell?! Why did "New Mutants week" only have four articles?! That's false advertising! And why were there only articles about Sam, Dani, and Xian?! What about Amara and Berto? How about explaining why Rahne isn't on the team? Where was the article about Illyana???!!!

I'M PISSED!!!!

[4sake]

What the hell?! Why did "New Mutants week" only have four articles?! That's false advertising! And why were there only articles about Sam, Dani, and Xian?! What about Amara and Berto? How about explaining why Rahne isn't on the team? Where was the article about Illyana???!!!

I'M PISSED!!!!

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.7596.New_Mutants_Week~colon~_Sunspot

Rahne not on them because she on a another team/book right now.

[Dagger]

What the hell?! Why did "New Mutants week" only have four articles?! That's false advertising! And why were there only articles about Sam, Dani, and Xian?! What about Amara and Berto? How about explaining why Rahne isn't on the team? Where was the article about Illyana???!!!

I'M PISSED!!!!
Ummm...Ben Morse said they were going to pick things up this week because of the Holiday weekend.

[sunofdarkchild]

Thanks for the link, 4sake. I'd checked every day for a new article in New Mutants and gave up after not finding one yesterday. It looks like they finally posted the Sunsot article after I checked yesterday. I knew that Rahne was and is on X-Force and that that was why she would nt be on the team, but it would have been nice for Wells to discuss her absence and what that means. They're making today seem like the last update with the Magma article, which means that they won't have one on Illyana.

So the little blonde girl was not a younger Illyana, but a random, possibly mutant child Karma was trying to pick up. Maybe Cyclops is trying to round up all post M-Day mutants, especially the children, to better protect them. I'm going to guess that Legion, possibly through Karma, possessed all of the New Mutants except for Illyana, who has the psiblocks to resist, and made them all attack her. It's very reminescent of the fat Karma story, but that may be the point.

[yanapryde]

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0904/16/newmutants1.htm


been having trouble getting it to show up so if this DOESN'T work...go over to comicscontinuum.com and scroll to the bottom of today's page

[The Black Guardian]

Oh my! That's gorgeous!

[sunofdarkchild]

Spoilers from the New Mutants 1 preview.

Pixie is back (darn it), and the New/Young X-Men are still pissed at Illyana. (Wasn't Anole's arm cut off before Darkchylde arrived to help them in Limbo?) Even with three arrows in her and whatever other injuries she has Illyana is still confident that she can beat ALL of the New/Young X-Men on her own. Baaad arse.

On a bad note, the "recap" page that says what everyone's powers are only lists Illyana's as teleportation and the soulsword, leaving out the fact that she is a sorceress.

"She's got more right to be here than any of you." Go Sam!! Tell It like it is!!

[RickyD410]

I have recently created a Darkchylde avatar, for any who like Skottie Young's artwork. Here it is:

[Imraith Nimphais]

As a huge fan of the Darkchylde, that is w'ked!...Luvs it lots ricky.

[RickyD410]

As a huge fan of the Darkchylde, that is w'ked!...Luvs it lots ricky.

Woohoo! Glad you like it. If you feel like a change up, go for it, if you like.

Anyone have any ideas as to why Illyana's horns come and go? My thoughts are that it comes and goes with however demonic she's feeling at the moment. I was disappointed that we didnt see them at all in the first ish. Especially when she was speaking with Magma. She seemed quite sinister then.

[yanapryde]

Woohoo! Glad you like it. If you feel like a change up, go for it, if you like.

Anyone have any ideas as to why Illyana's horns come and go? My thoughts are that it comes and goes with however demonic she's feeling at the moment. I was disappointed that we didnt see them at all in the first ish. Especially when she was speaking with Magma. She seemed quite sinister then.

There must be an emotional connection.
Back when she was first experiencing her 'darkchild' tantrums in the original series, they'd sprout out and she'd have to concentrate to restore her human appearance.
I'd say if she's not super pissed off, then her horns remain dormant.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Interesting concepts both...somewot like Warren over in X-Force (yay!) I do hope we get to see a PO'd Ilyana quite often...especially against the villains...the Darkchild is total bad-ass!

[sunofdarkchild]

Woohoo! Glad you like it. If you feel like a change up, go for it, if you like.

Anyone have any ideas as to why Illyana's horns come and go? My thoughts are that it comes and goes with however demonic she's feeling at the moment. I was disappointed that we didnt see them at all in the first ish. Especially when she was speaking with Magma. She seemed quite sinister then.

In the original New Mutants Illyana took on Darkchylde characteristics like horns when

a) an outside force like the Beyonder caused the transformation

b) she was loosing her inner battle with her darker side, like in Inferno and

c) interestingly, when she willed it, specifically to scare off demons that were attacking Dani in New Mutants 15.

So it would seem that as of now she has control over her dark side and that she is willing her appearance to be normal.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Just reread this issue and felt that the earliest shots of our little snowflake ever needed sharing. :biggrin:

[SayOcean]

lol her goo was so much more scarier's than Hopes

[Twisted Bliss]

So ladies and Gents.

How do you feel the characterisation of Illyana was in issue #1 of the new 'New Mutants' comic?

I'm concerned. Happy, but have reservations. I feel like I've escaped an X-Files episode. I want to believe.....

[NielsVanEekelen]

So ladies and Gents.

How do you feel the characterisation of Illyana was in issue #1 of the new 'New Mutants' comic?

I'm concerned. Happy, but have reservations. I feel like I've escaped an X-Files episode. I want to believe.....

I'm quite majorly pleased with it. Although I do agree with Amara that she's acting funny in a way that makes me suspect she's not telling us everything.

I do sort of wish there was less mystery about her--after her long absence, I'd prefer a firm statement of who and how she is right now, but on the other hand, if she's central to a mystery, she's probably central in a story about that, which is a plus. :smile:

[MuhollandDriver]

Illyana has always had bit of mystery to her.

I remember, in the summer double-sized special...Xavier described her in his notes as "a riddle wrapped in an enigma".

Zeb Wells got the memo!

[Twisted Bliss]

but what of her physical age? Her mental health?

What struck me was her seeming so lithe and less physically developed than Amara. That she seemed to hide behind her as they entered the basement.

Struck me as off. Not bad per se but just not right?!?

[4sake]

but what of her physical age? Her mental health?

What struck me was her seeming so lithe and less physically developed than Amara. That she seemed to hide behind her as they entered the basement.

Struck me as off. Not bad per se but just not right?!?

age : not sure but I'd say about 16-18 (about the same age as most the new men)

[yanapryde]

age : not sure but I'd say about 16-18 (about the same age as most the new men)

Zeb stated in an interview that her exact age would be up for debate for a good while but she is 'around' their same age (the age of her teammates)

I'd guess 18-19.
Since Sam is 21 (?) according to Uncanny and that would imply Dani is 21 as well and Karma is definitely older than those two.

Also, visually (in the first issue at least) she is less..uh...'pronounced' or 'mature' in the usual anatomical areas so I'd guess she's still younger than the rest.:smile:

[4sake]

Zeb stated in an interview that her exact age would be up for debate for a good while but she is 'around' their same age (the age of her teammates)

I'd guess 18-19.
Since Sam is 21 (?) according to Uncanny and that would imply Dani is 21 as well and Karma is definitely older than those two.

Also, visually (in the first issue at least) she is less..uh...'pronounced' or 'mature' in the usual anatomical areas so I'd guess she's still younger than the rest.:smile:

There no way Sam can be that young I feel that Mr.Fraction was mistaken, because that about the age Monet is. & she only like a 6months or year older than Husk. Also Wolfbane was 13 when she 1st joined the NM & 19 in 2004 so she should be about 20 now. So no way Sam can be 21 other than bad research. because he at least 3/4 years older than Ranhe. Also I sent Mr.Wells a meg. on Facebook of what Thought the NM ages were.

Cannonball 22-24 (16 when joined)
Moonstar 22/24(16 when joined)
Sunspot 21-23 (14 when joined)
Karma 25-26 (19 when joined)
Magik 16-19 (just doesn't look 14 or 15 to me nor did she look that young in HoM or New X-Men)
Magma 21-24

[yanapryde]

Mr.Fraction was mistaken

Cannonball 22-24 (16 when joined)
Moonstar 22/24(16 when joined)
Sunspot 21-23 (14 when joined)
Karma 25-26 (19 when joined)
Magik 16-19 (just doesn't look 14 or 15 to me nor did she look that young in HoM or New X-Men)
Magma 21-24

I'd agree with each of these. Although the ultra Magik fan in me hopes she's closer to the 19 end of that age spectrum. Simply so that she is closer to their ages.
And yes, I too believe that Fraction was...we'll say...misinformed (?):wink:

[Alphaxman]

Who likes that she is back to wearing her Eldritch armor on her sward welding arm or think she should be totally armored like she was right before Inferno?

And what about letting her soul sward harm living people? Like the way Dagger’s powers work. Instead of causing physical pain, it would be like the ‘soul’ was on fire. She could control the level of pain she would cause. It would also depend on how ‘pure’ the victim was. Like if she ‘sliced’ through Sabbertooth, he would be in debilitating pain that his healing factor couldn’t fix but through a young child it would just give them a cold chill but without any pain.

Then she could really use the sword on non-magical being and it wouldn't just be for show. I kind of hated when she pulled out the sward but couldn't use it back in the day.

[yanapryde]

I liked that her sword-pulling, as it were, was more of a scare tactic back when.

I mean, a flaming sword IS pretty scary after all.
These are all things that I'm dying to find out about.
Will she have the semi-armored look? Or will she go full body armor?
And if so, what will it all mean? Is there even a concern any longer that her demon side will overcome her, without anyone to attempt 'blood-stoning' her?
Or is she simply 2/5ths good and writes her own morality rules now?:confused:

[MuhollandDriver]

Eh.....i personally read the New Mutants as if they are in their mid twenties at least.

Illyana should really be aged to fit them. i hate convoluting things, but it would do her good to not be the runt of the team.

[sunofdarkchild]

There is still confusion with regards to how old Illyana was when she fell into/left Limbo. When she was trapped she was either 6 or 7, depending on which issue you read. When she escaped she would have been 13 or 14, except that her spending 7 years in Limbo, while accepted by the X-Men, was never proven to be accurate. She could have been there longer for all we know.

At Inferno Illyana would have been no younger than 16. At her return she would have probably been the same age as she was then. She is now about a year older, so she is probably between 17-21.

The rest of the New Mutants are logically in their early twenties (Rahne) to late twenties (Karma), except that it is sometimes stated otherwise or they are drawn otherwise.

[yanapryde]

At Inferno Illyana would have been no younger than 16. At her return she would have probably been the same age as she was then. She is now about a year older, so she is probably between 17-21.

.

This "math" confuses me.

[sunofdarkchild]

This "math" confuses me.

"No younger than" means she could have been older than 16. I can't see Belasco recreating her at any age other than the oldest she had been as a teenager. In interviews she's been said to have aged a year since X-Infernus, so she's a year older than she was in Inferno. The uncertainty about her age in Inferno leads to the 17-21 estimate, but 20-21 are pushing the limits of believability, so I'll shorten it to 17-19.

I just took a calculus AP exam last week; I now like any math that has nothing to do with calculus.

[Peter F.]

Illyana was in Limbo for months between the end of Quest for Magik and the beginning of X-Infernus.

The time discrepancy between dimensions, as well as the fact that it's been pretty much confirmed that as of New Mutants #1 she's from some point in the future, should advance her age to approximately the same as the rest of the New Mutants.

Or if you'd prefer she magicked herself older to fit in with her friends. Or Franklin Richards did her favor.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Just found this http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6312/pc2009magik.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2009magik.jpg) on artist Jeffrey Moy's blog.

Moy offers commissions on his website, and I have to say it looks very tempting. A little late birthday present for myself? Hm...

[yanapryde]

Just found this http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6312/pc2009magik.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc2009magik.jpg) on artist Jeffrey Moy's blog.

Moy offers commissions on his website, and I have to say it looks very tempting. A little late birthday present for myself? Hm...

Oh my that is lovely.
He makes her look YOUNG too which, for me, is HUGE.
Far too many of the youth teams look 10+years too old.
Thats fantastic! How much is he asking?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Oh my that is lovely.
He makes her look YOUNG too which, for me, is HUGE.
Far too many of the youth teams look 10+years too old.
Thats fantastic! How much is he asking?

Details for his commissions here. (http://www.jeffreymoy.com/shop.html)

Of course, the trouble would be deciding exactly what to ask for. :smile:

[yanapryde]

Details for his commissions here. (http://www.jeffreymoy.com/shop.html)

Of course, the trouble would be deciding exactly what to ask for. :smile:

In a perfect world, I could get Mark Brooks to modify his cover for issue #5 of Dark Reign:Young Avengers so that it was Illyana with Billy Kaplan, rather than the Enchantress.
That may be my next private project. My two fave mages! Plus Illyana needs a new best friend that's also a Jewish brunette. ha ha
Ah, fan boy dreams.....

[kk1]

Just rereading Excalibur and there's a really good Illyana story in issues 23 and 24. Excalibur was stuck traveling through alternate Earths and they come to one where Illyana wears Dr Strange's outfit and is using her sorceress powers for some devious dealings. Great Alan Davis artwork (and bonus if you don't like Kitty Pryde).

[NielsVanEekelen]

Just rereading Excalibur and there's a really good Illyana story in issues 23 and 24. Excalibur was stuck traveling through alternate Earths and they come to one where Illyana wears Dr Strange's outfit and is using her sorceress powers for some devious dealings. Great Alan Davis artwork (and bonus if you don't like Kitty Pryde).

All foreshadowing, you know. For Illyana taking over the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme in the current New Avengers arc. *nods sagely*

(I remember that story! Should really reread that, too.)

[yanapryde]

Illyana Rasputin.
Mutant. Sorceress. Baby Sister. Age and/or Death defying Russian.

So ....I ask the fans:

Would Ms.Rasputin be PRO or ANTI X-Force ?

Thoughts? Reasons?