Illyana "Magik" Rasputin Appreciation

[yanapryde]

Ok, I'll admit that, so how did we end up with yesterday's diatribe?

I do not know what diatribe is.... but...I wasn't trying to make you feel bad darkclaw.
If anyone were to inquire about her history though, it would have been simpler to reference them to a site with that information.

Like I said before, the gesture is nice though.:wink:

Martin Redmond: No, this is not required reading. You need not know every detail to love Illyana/Magik. You need only know OF her.:smile:

[sunofdarkchild]

Nice, Darkclaw.

I was thinking, what are evryone's favourite alternate versions of Illyana?

Mine are AoA: Very brave and noble for a little kid,

House of M: "You think I'm too young for your group? Fine, hope you enjoy being stuck in an active volcano" (snickers),

And the Excaliber mob boss version: "I can beat the whole Excaliber team and local anti-metahuman police force without breaking a sweat."

Although, does anyone have a link to the Shattershot comic. I've been looking for months and can't find the comic itself or anything more than a few brief (up to 5 sentences) references.

[Prodigy55]

House of M Magik was so badass.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Magik.jpg?t=1234558723

[yanapryde]

House of M Magik was so badass.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Magik.jpg?t=1234558723

I love love love it when Illyana uses her stepping discs in creative ways.
Just like that.
Or like the time they fought the Animator and those robo-smiley-S.O.B.'s and she would open a disc directly in front of her attacker and have them charge full on into the stone wall in a different area. Awesome!
She did the redirecting bullets trick in that issue too! I love her so hard!
yes I said hard.:biggrin:

[NielsVanEekelen]

This is AMAZING.
I demand to see more of your art, it's wonderful!

I echo this sentiment. With that art skill and that amount of fannishness, you must have done more Illyanas--for the sake of all mutantkind, show them to us!

And I like the uniform, seeing it in a clearer pic like this. Hopefully it'll have the classic New Mutant colors and Illyana will regularly sport her armored left arm. And, y'know, hopefully this will actually turn out to be the team uniform, not something Yana just happens to be wearing that first scene.:tongue:

I was thinking, what are evryone's favourite alternate versions of Illyana?

Have to agree that AoA Illyana was very cool. Other than that I don't know.

Oh! I always liked the Kulan Gath-iverse Illyana. It was nice for her to have a place where having a sword was normal. :smile:

I wonder if anyone would dare list the Marvel Mangaverse version as a favorite.:evilsmile:

[yanapryde]

I echo this sentiment. With that art skill and that amount of fannishness, you must have done more Illyanas--for the sake of all mutantkind, show them to us!

And I like the uniform, seeing it in a clearer pic like this. Hopefully it'll have the classic New Mutant colors and Illyana will regularly sport her armored left arm. And, y'know, hopefully this will actually turn out to be the team uniform, not something Yana just happens to be wearing that first scene.:tongue:



Have to agree that AoA Illyana was very cool. Other than that I don't know.

Oh! I always liked the Kulan Gath-iverse Illyana. It was nice for her to have a place where having a sword was normal. :smile:

I wonder if anyone would dare list the Marvel Mangaverse version as a favorite.:evilsmile:

Thank you kindly for the compliment! I struggle drawing Ms.Rasputin because I am such a picky picky person and she is my ultimate fave so drawing her takes many attempts till I'm happy.

[darkclaw]

I'll go to bat for AoA, as well. I kind of liked the one from 904, as well.


BTW: for anyone following "Wolverine and the X-Men on TV, Amara just showed up tonight? Any hopes out there for a guest appearance by our favorite Russian?:rolleyes:

[yanapryde]

I'll go to bat for AoA, as well. I kind of liked the one from 904, as well.


BTW: for anyone following "Wolverine and the X-Men on TV, Amara just showed up tonight? Any hopes out there for a guest appearance by our favorite Russian?:rolleyes:

OH BELIEVE ME!!! .... I've checked.
I researched, I sleuthed, I dug DEEP into every source I could penetrate (yes, penetrate) and there is NO Magik or Illyana for season 1.

BUT.....there is a season 2 already in the works....and I'm screaming from the rooftops for some New Mutant cameos for sure!:cool:

[darkclaw]

OH BELIEVE ME!!! .... I've checked.
I researched, I sleuthed, I dug DEEP into every source I could penetrate (yes, penetrate) and there is NO Magik or Illyana for season 1.

BUT.....there is a season 2 already in the works....and I'm screaming from the rooftops for some New Mutant cameos for sure!:cool:
Mind a joiner on those rooftops? I gots big lungs and a healthy capactity for screaming at the top of my lungs when it comes to something I believe in! (Chalk it up to good breeding!)

[darkclaw]

Why do they insist on treating her like either a helpless waif or a bully? I hope (sincerely) that if Magik gets included in WatXM, they at least write her charectar as it SHOULD be!:evilsmile:

[sunofdarkchild]

Was Illyana in any X-Men The animated series stories other than Red Dawn?

[NielsVanEekelen]

She had a cameo in the timestream in Time Fugitives.

And I believe in the game X-Men Legends, you have to save her. Darkclaw, did you count that? (Sounds like you were talking about lots of appearances.)

[Mesmer]

She's awesome, i`m glad she's returning.

[MartinRedmond]

House of M Magik was so badass.
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo245/mustafe9/Magik.jpg?t=1234558723

That's cool, but I like her teleport better with the time innacuracy issues. :X

[NielsVanEekelen]

That's cool, but I like her teleport better with the time innacuracy issues. :X

Limbo's fluid concept of time has quietly vanished since the days of NM vol.1. I agree, it's a shame if that element of Illyana's powers is gone.

(I like to think that Limbo is largely shaped by the mind of its ruler, and that's why under Illyana and Amanda Sefton time has become much more linear there then it was during Belasco's first reign.)

(But I really think that writers didn't want to deal with that added complication when already dealing with a weird dimension.)

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=NielsVanEekelen;8416541]

(I like to think that Limbo is largely shaped by the mind of its ruler, and that's why under Illyana and Amanda Sefton time has become much more linear there then it was during Belasco's first reign.)

QUOTE]

Wouldn't it have been cute for Illyana to travel into the future of Limbo to have conversations with Amanda?

Although I've hated Amanda ever since she made Kitty give up the soulsword. "It was never a part of her. There's less of Illyana in it than in a photograph." Was I the only one who wanted to belt her for that?

[wanderlust565]

So, who does everybody think will be the new sorcerer supreme, is Illyana up to it

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/wonderwall565/X-Infernus03pg22.jpg

[yanapryde]

[QUOTE=NielsVanEekelen;8416541]

(I like to think that Limbo is largely shaped by the mind of its ruler, and that's why under Illyana and Amanda Sefton time has become much more linear there then it was during Belasco's first reign.)

QUOTE]

Wouldn't it have been cute for Illyana to travel into the future of Limbo to have conversations with Amanda?

Although I've hated Amanda ever since she made Kitty give up the soulsword. "It was never a part of her. There's less of Illyana in it than in a photograph." Was I the only one who wanted to belt her for that?

FOR REAL!
That whole storyline was BOGUS!!! Amanda can suck it!:evilangry:

[MartinRedmond]

So, who does everybody think will be the new sorcerer supreme, is Illyana up to it

The HOOD??? wtflol

I liked Amanda, I didn't know she overtook Limbo. I think she should get back to her life of being a jetset stewardess with a miniskirt and great legs. Limbo's Illyana's playground.


(I like to think that Limbo is largely shaped by the mind of its ruler, and that's why under Illyana and Amanda Sefton time has become much more linear there then it was during Belasco's first reign.)


It's either ignorance, or failing to appreciate Limbo's quirky appeal.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Although I've hated Amanda ever since she made Kitty give up the soulsword. "It was never a part of her. There's less of Illyana in it than in a photograph." Was I the only one who wanted to belt her for that?

Pffft. That was clearly a manipulative lie. Amanda has too much of her mother in her.

And must be punished for her unrightful claim to the name of Magik.

[yanapryde]

I would prefer Illyana leave the sorcerer(or 'ess) supreme title to someone else.
I prefer her as is.
I'd rather she not fall into the "Let's turn to Illyana's magic to fix this debacle"

I like my characters flawed.

[NielsVanEekelen]

So, who does everybody think will be the new sorcerer supreme, is Illyana up to it

Much as I'd like to see Illyana beat those wannabes, I think considering her role in the Marvel U for the past few years, a redeeming role for Wanda seems the most likely.

Personally, I'm just looking forward to see if Illyana actually has a role in the story.

(Clea? She's not even of this realm--how can she be the Sorcerer Supreme of it?)

[yanapryde]

Much as I'd like to see Illyana beat those wannabes, I think considering her role in the Marvel U for the past few years, a redeeming role for Wanda seems the most likely.

Personally, I'm just looking forward to see if Illyana actually has a role in the story.

(Clea? She's not even of this realm--how can she be the Sorcerer Supreme of it?)

Here Here NielsVanEekelen!
The more you post, the more I find myself supporting your posts!
:cool:

[NielsVanEekelen]

:biggrin:


I like my characters majorly flawed too, by the way. But I've just recently been reading some of the Dr Strange stories from Strange Tales vol.2, when the good doctor was neck-deep in dark magic and still struggling to protect Earth as he should. So it is possible to have a Supreme Sorcery-person with some very dark flaws.

Hey, Marvel! There's a title where adding the fashionable "Dark" would certainly fit! "Dark Magik!"

[darknessatnoon]

I like Illyana once. When she teleported Captain America's shield away.

Find me a scan of this.

[sunofdarkchild]

Pffft. That was clearly a manipulative lie. Amanda has too much of her mother in her.

And must be punished for her unrightful claim to the name of Magik.


On with the punishment! And to heck with all Excaliber soulsword stories!

[sunofdarkchild]

She won't be the sorceress supreme of earth and be part of the new New Mutants, but Illyana's a lot more qualified for the job than anyone else on that cover.

My guess is she'll be offered the job and refuse; as the sorceress supreme of Limbo she already knows that the job doesn't have enough perks. And the pension sucks.

[sunofdarkchild]

I like my characters flawed.

Yup. My favourite characters, Batman, Wolverine, and especially Magik are very flawed, and I doubt that I'd like them as much if they wern't.

[yanapryde]

She won't be the sorceress supreme of earth and be part of the new New Mutants, but Illyana's a lot more qualified for the job than anyone else on that cover.

My guess is she'll be offered the job and refuse; as the sorceress supreme of Limbo she already knows that the job doesn't have enough perks. And the pension sucks.

Ha!
that'd be hilarious!

Dr.Strange: "Illyana, I'd like to offer you the title of Sorceress Supreme."

<Illyana raises an eyebrow and lets out a sigh>

Illyana: "Uh....listen Doc. I'm already Sorceress Supreme. Have you been to Limbo?"

(And of course, she used the 'air quotes' when she said sorceress supreme)

Dr.Strange: "Oh. Right. Okay. Uh...well....Do you know Wanda's number?"

[NielsVanEekelen]

My guess is she'll be offered the job and refuse; as the sorceress supreme of Limbo she already knows that the job doesn't have enough perks. And the pension sucks.

:smile: I was just thinking earlier that that was how I would write it, that she would get the job and refuse it.


By the way, was this the thread where we were talking about how creepy Belasco's love for Illyana was?

From the very first page of the original Magik limited series: "Half my lifetime spent on Earth... and half in Hell... where I was consort to a devil."

[sunofdarkchild]

Oh god not Wanda! Anyone but Wanda! I'll take Doctor Doom over Wanda!
Though I'll still take Wanda over anyone related to the Winding Way.

From the cover of New Avengers 52 it looks like the new sorcerer supreme will be the Hood? That's a lol!

[sunofdarkchild]

:


By the way, was this the thread where we were talking about how creepy Belasco's love for Illyana was?

From the very first page of the original Magik limited series: "Half my lifetime spent on Earth... and half in Hell... where I was consort to a devil."

Creepy, yes, but strangely poetic.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Oh god not Wanda! Anyone but Wanda! I'll take Doctor Doom over Wanda!
Though I'll still take Wanda over anyone related to the Winding Way.

From the cover of New Avengers 52 it looks like the new sorcerer supreme will be the Hood? That's a lol!

Nah, I think he's got the cover because his magical benefactor is Dormammu, making him an automatic adversary of the Supreme.

[sunofdarkchild]

Here's how Dr. Strange is going to decide who'll be the next sorcerer suprmeme, spin the bottle!

With these pathetic choices and Illyana being snubbed that's how I think it's being done.

[ZNOP]

Couldn't find the pics you wanted but I did find some pics I've never seen before.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=173094970

[sunofdarkchild]

Nah, I think he's got the cover because his magical benefactor is Dormammu, making him an automatic adversary of the Supreme.

I hope you're right. Seriously, the new sorcerer supreme has to be Illyana or someone not on the cover of New Avengers 51, cause besides for Magik the next best choice there is Dr. Doom, and he's not going to be it. And no way Ms. crazy, mad , insane, psycho Wanda's going to be it either. Dr. Strange isn't that stupid.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I hope you're right. Seriously, the new sorcerer supreme has to be Illyana or someone not on the cover of New Avengers 51, cause besides for Magik the next best choice there is Dr. Doom, and he's not going to be it. And no way Ms. crazy, mad , insane, psycho Wanda's going to be it either. Dr. Strange isn't that stupid.

Not so sure Strange actually gets to do the picking. And if so, there's always the Eye of Agamotto to show who it should be no matter if it makes little sense by Earth logic.

[yanapryde]

:smile: I was just thinking earlier that that was how I would write it, that she would get the job and refuse it.


By the way, was this the thread where we were talking about how creepy Belasco's love for Illyana was?

From the very first page of the original Magik limited series: "Half my lifetime spent on Earth... and half in Hell... where I was consort to a devil."

It's true. We've discussed it. Not really at length, but enough to make it clear to everyone that she was more than an apprentice.

But it was implied heavily throughout the Magik mini, as well as through Illyana's recollections of her time there, that she was abused on several levels. Not just the suspected run of the mill beatings. :frown:
Which, in my opinion, adds to her character. She's overcome a LOT more than JUST living in a demon realm for half her life. A LOT more.

[sunofdarkchild]

Was it implied that a mini war is going to start for the role of sorcerer supreme? Maybe that's where she got those arrows in her shoulder from. Pobably not, though.

[sunofdarkchild]

It's true. We've discussed it. Not really at length, but enough to make it clear to everyone that she was more than an apprentice.

But it was implied heavily throughout the Magik mini, as well as through Illyana's recollections of her time there, that she was abused on several levels. Not just the suspected run of the mill beatings. :frown:
Which, in my opinion, adds to her character. She's overcome a LOT more than JUST living in a demon realm for half her life. A LOT more.

That's one of the reasons I've come up with as to why he waited years between forging each bloodstone. If he could create the first bloodstone when she's completely innocent and magically corrupt her core like that then he should have been able to create all five then and there and not needed to actuallly make her do evil things. I think he wanted to keep his beloved darkchylde around as long as possible. The other reason I've come up with is that he just enjoyed making people behave evilly (that a word?) thought it would be fun to corrupt Illyana more slowly.

[yanapryde]

Was it implied that a mini war is going to start for the role of sorcerer supreme? Maybe that's where she got those arrows in her shoulder from. Pobably not, though.

I do not know.
I CAN tell you that I've been racking my brain, staring at that image agin and again for extended periods, along with the page where she drops out of a stepping disc....and I am DYING to know what happened!
Who shot at her??

Legion? He/She/They are the new villain that our gang faces first once they've been reassembled. (I say He/She/They because Legion's got all those separate personalities) Maybe one of them is an archer? Or has a mob of archers at his/her/their disposal?
I dunno.
I DO wanna know WHY Legion would want the New Mutants assembled anyhow (according to the solicits) Does he/she/they want Illyana for her teleportation/time stream defying capablities?:confused:

[NielsVanEekelen]

Hm... Both Legion and Illyana have been mentioned as reasons the team gets back together, so a connection would make sense.

Has David been seen at all since he caused the Age of Apocalypse? What's his current status?

[sunofdarkchild]

There is one villian besides Belasco who I know would have reason for wanting Illyana. Mr. Sinister, if he's brought back. He was interested in the Rasputins long before the Summers or the Greys. As a scientist I imagine he'd jump at the opportunity to learn about the timestream and sorcery from Illyana's powers. For years I was expecting Illyana to be brought back through a 'reveal' that Sinister had cloned her like Jean Grey to learn about time and maybe visit Limbo (for vacations, of course.).

There's still the problem of his never being in the New Mutants, although he was in X-Force and was inadvertantly responsible for Illyana's death. (I'm of the opinion that New Mutants: Truth or Death is also bogus.)

[sunofdarkchild]

Whoa, wait. Its been officialy mentioned that Legion is the bad guy at the beginning of the new New Mutants series? When and where?

[yanapryde]

Hm... Both Legion and Illyana have been mentioned as reasons the team gets back together, so a connection would make sense.

Has David been seen at all since he caused the Age of Apocalypse? What's his current status?

Well...according to Wikipedia....
After AoA, Bishop seizes a psychic knife and drives it back into David, mortally wounding him. In his last moments, David apologizes for the horrors he would have caused.

Despite David's death, some of his alternate personalities remained trapped between life and death, manifesting as spirits. When the spirits started terrorizing Israel, Excalibur was called to stop them. After learning that the spirits are refusing death, Meggan uses her empathy to calm their rage. Accepting the end, the spirits go "towards the light."

So I dunno how he's back. But he is.

[NielsVanEekelen]

(I'm of the opinion that New Mutants: Truth or Death is also bogus.)

X-Men comics have given me so much experience at talking away mistakes that I should go into politics.

Mikhail actually thought he gave Illyana the Legacy Virus? Well, the guy was always pretty unbalanced--like the idea that curing a fourteen-year-old version of his sister would help the nine-year-old version. Clearly nothing really happened there. (Yes, I just guestimated those ages.)

[NielsVanEekelen]

Whoa, wait. Its been officialy mentioned that Legion is the bad guy at the beginning of the new New Mutants series? When and where?

In an interview (think I linked it the thread on the new series) and he's mentioned in the just-released solicits.

[yanapryde]

There is one villian besides Belasco who I know would have reason for wanting Illyana. Mr. Sinister, if he's brought back. He was interested in the Rasputins long before the Summers or the Greys. As a scientist I imagine he'd jump at the opportunity to learn about the timestream and sorcery from Illyana's powers. For years I was expecting Illyana to be brought back through a 'reveal' that Sinister had cloned her like Jean Grey to learn about time and maybe visit Limbo (for vacations, of course.).

There's still the problem of his never being in the New Mutants, although he was in X-Force and was inadvertantly responsible for Illyana's death. (I'm of the opinion that New Mutants: Truth or Death is also bogus.)

I was SO excited when Truth or Death came out. Of course the story wasn't what I thought it might be....and I feel that if Yost and Kyle had written it they would have been able to fill more gaps and avoid more continuity errors, but I did find it an interesting twist that her eldest brother would be responsible for her infection. Even if nobody would acknowledge it after since their memories of the event were erased.

I can't wait to hear the team's conversations with Illyana. The inevitable 'catch up' stories they'll share.
The "What happened while i was dead?"
I like to think Illyana would make things delightfully awkward by discussing her death and resurrection frequently. Sort of like :

Yes. I died.
Get over it.
I did.
See?

[ZNOP]

There is one villian besides Belasco who I know would have reason for wanting Illyana. Mr. Sinister, if he's brought back. He was interested in the Rasputins long before the Summers or the Greys. As a scientist I imagine he'd jump at the opportunity to learn about the timestream and sorcery from Illyana's powers. For years I was expecting Illyana to be brought back through a 'reveal' that Sinister had cloned her like Jean Grey to learn about time and maybe visit Limbo (for vacations, of course.)

Technically that is incorrect. Scott and Jean were transported to "Victorian era" England in the year 1859, where the scientist Nathaniel Essex, obsessed with Darwin's theory of evolution, encounters the centuries-old mutant Apocalypse who transforms him into Mister Sinister. That is when Mr. Sinister became learned and eventually became obsessed with the "Grey/Summers" genome.

[sunofdarkchild]

I can't wait to hear the team's conversations with Illyana. The inevitable 'catch up' stories they'll share.
The "What happened while i was dead?"
I like to think Illyana would make things delightfully awkward by discussing her death and resurrection frequently. Sort of like :

Yes. I died.
Get over it.
I did.
See?

I can SO see Illyana saying something like that and not being bothered by having been dead, only by seeing her friends grow up without her. She always (at least when written seriously) seemed to know that she was destined for an early grave.

[yanapryde]

Technically that is incorrect. Scott and Jean were transported to "Victorian era" England in the year 1859, where the scientist Nathaniel Essex, obsessed with Darwin's theory of evolution, encounters the centuries-old mutant Apocalypse who transforms him into Mister Sinister. That is when Mr. Sinister became learned and eventually became obsessed with the "Grey/Summers" genome.

Thanks ZNOP.:smile:

[NielsVanEekelen]

I can SO see Illyana saying something like that and not being bothered by having been dead, only by seeing her friends grow up without her. She always (at least when written seriously) seemed to know that she was destined for an early grave.

I wouldn't say that it doesn't bother her--but being so blunt about it so that people are taken aback and stop asking about stuff she's uncomfortable talking about? Oh yes, very Illyana.

[yanapryde]

I wouldn't say that it doesn't bother her--but being so blunt about it so that people are taken aback and stop asking about stuff she's uncomfortable talking about? Oh yes, very Illyana.

You are wise.
You know your Illyana.
:cool:
I agree.

[sunofdarkchild]

The solicitation for the first issue of the new New Mutants

They’re back together again! Cannonball, Dani Moonstar, Karma, Sunspot, Magma and Magik have been gathered once more, but can they stand against one of the most powerful X-Villains of all time? Legion is back, and the villain that thrust us into the Age of Apocalypse is scarier than ever. But what does he want with the New Mutants? Zeb Wells (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) and Diogenes Neves (X-MEN: WORLDS APART) bring your favorite teen heroes into adulthood. Don’t miss it!


Yup. It's Legion. He's probably mad at Illyana for scaring him back in New Mutants 44. Could Illyana's injuries have been given to her in his head?

Guess I forgot about Cyclops and Jean's meeting Essex in the past, but he still had that thing going with Gregory Rasputin.

[NielsVanEekelen]

You are wise.
You know your Illyana.
:cool:
I agree.

Praising me is instantly rewarded with art:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5628/illyanacolordx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/w433.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/)

(Actually colored this myself, which is the closest I've gotten to making fanart. Did write a comic script, though.)

[sunofdarkchild]

Praising me is instantly rewarded with art:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5628/illyanacolordx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/w433.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/)

(Actually colored this myself, which is the closest I've gotten to making fanart. Did write a comic script, though.)

You're a good colorist... now put up some more art!

Actually, how do I put up pictures, heh, I've never done it before and it didn't work when I tried. (Face goes red.)

[yanapryde]

Praising me is instantly rewarded with art:
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5628/illyanacolordx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/w433.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/illyanacolordx5.jpg/1/)

(Actually colored this myself, which is the closest I've gotten to making fanart. Did write a comic script, though.)

DID YOU DRAW THAT???:eek:

[NielsVanEekelen]

You're a good colorist... now put up some more art!

Actually, how do I put up pictures, heh, I've never done it before and it didn't work when I tried. (Face goes red.)

Thanks, and: I just upload the pics on www.imageshack.us and copy the code they give me. :wink:

Like so:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9703/djurdjevic20mystic20arcqx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[NielsVanEekelen]

DID YOU DRAW THAT???:eek:

No no no! That's professional artist Casey Jones! I just found a scan of the sketch and splashed some color on!

[sunofdarkchild]

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ld66a697d59175dff80e387vo7.png

like this?

[sunofdarkchild]

Darn, at least the link works.

Illyana should have worn that graduation uniform more often. The facial shadows the hood creates suite her well.

[C-Cool]

Ahh!

An Appreciation Thread for one of my favorite X-Men of all time.

Just a wonderful opportunity to find this.

[SayOcean]

I would prefer Illyana leave the sorcerer(or 'ess) supreme title to someone else.
I prefer her as is.
I'd rather she not fall into the "Let's turn to Illyana's magic to fix this debacle"

I like my characters flawed.for shame on you

you turn your back on Magik

you turn your back on Illyana

[sunofdarkchild]

As long as she's doing something important I don't care whether or not Illyana becomes sorceress supreme.

But be careful what you wish for. When the "Illyana's magic as a solution to everything" problem first arose, the writers and editors removed her sorcery on earth entirely. If that happens again I may quit paying attention to Marvel for good.

[yanapryde]

Yet another sketch of what Illyana's X-Uniform might look like

[Darkchylde]

As long as she's doing something important I don't care whether or not Illyana becomes sorceress supreme.

But be careful what you wish for. When the "Illyana's magic as a solution to everything" problem first arose, the writers and editors removed her sorcery on earth entirely. If that happens again I may quit paying attention to Marvel for good.

Agreed. And I think the solution to remove Illyana's sorcery back then worked somewhat (though I wish they hadn't done it) because of Illyana and the other New Mutants' ages. To limit Illyana's power on Earth may have humanized her a bit, rather than make her an all-powerful deux ex machina at the age of 15, and served to progress the team from young adulthood.

However, now that Dani, Sam, Roberto, Rahne, Amara and Xi'an are older and more experienced, I don't see why Illyana shouldn't be allowed to fully access her sorcery. I mean, look at the Scarlet Witch and her weird-ass chaos magic/Brian Michael Bendis-retconned reality warping abilities; Wiccan from Young Avengers (and those guys are around the same age now as the New Mutants were when they first started); and Amanda Sefton and the X-Men/Excalibur. Each of those teams and more besides have had a spellcaster on their roster, and they've been able to avoid the pratfall of using magick as a gimmick to resolve plots.

I think Illyana with her sorcery could work in the new title, and I don't think it will overshadow or take away from the other team members. Besides, Illyana has proven herself to be an adept warrior, so it's not like she doesn't have other abilities at her disposal. (I've always wondered how she'd fare in a fight against Wolverine - no magick, just her combat skills and determination.)

And, like other posters here and in the "New Mutants Series" thread have intimated, I'm hoping Illyana's appearance on the cover of New Avengers # 51 signals a role in that storyline. Do I really think Marvel will make her the new Sorcerer Supreme? No (although it would be cool to see her thrust in that role with NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to hold the title, and still juggle her role as X-Man with her teammates), but it would be great to see her show up in that title and have her play a part in Dr. Strange's quest.

[darkclaw]

:biggrin:


I like my characters majorly flawed too, by the way. But I've just recently been reading some of the Dr Strange stories from Strange Tales vol.2, when the good doctor was neck-deep in dark magic and still struggling to protect Earth as he should. So it is possible to have a Supreme Sorcery-person with some very dark flaws.

Hey, Marvel! There's a title where adding the fashionable "Dark" would certainly fit! "Dark Magik!"

I would have thought true X-fans would have run for the hills after the whole "Dark Beast" incident. Do we really want Illyana added to that group?

[darkclaw]

Oh god not Wanda! Anyone but Wanda! I'll take Doctor Doom over Wanda!
Though I'll still take Wanda over anyone related to the Winding Way.

From the cover of New Avengers 52 it looks like the new sorcerer supreme will be the Hood? That's a lol!

Something tells me Wanda has better creds.

[darkclaw]

As long as she's doing something important I don't care whether or not Illyana becomes sorceress supreme.

But be careful what you wish for. When the "Illyana's magic as a solution to everything" problem first arose, the writers and editors removed her sorcery on earth entirely. If that happens again I may quit paying attention to Marvel for good.
I always kind of liked the fact that Illyana's magicks, (even on the rare occasion when the writer's would let her use them) never work exactly as she intends, but have a taint to it (remember Doctor MacTaggart's clothes when Illyana had to dress her in a hurry). Think that part will stick around? (I hope, I hope, I hope?)

[darkclaw]

for shame on you

you turn your back on Magik

you turn your back on Illyana
I dunno. As unlikely as it seems, I think I'm starting to agree with Darkchylde about the 'no choice' making a good storyline. It might also add a unique dynamic to the team that it's youngest member has the most adult responsibilites of all, in a fashion they really couldn't comprehend.

[darknessatnoon]

Where is the picture I asked for?

[darkclaw]

So, who does everybody think will be the new sorcerer supreme, is Illyana up to it

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq187/wonderwall565/X-Infernus03pg22.jpg
Anyone else not happy with the way Illyana was drawn on this cover?

[sunofdarkchild]

Yeah, Illyana looks ugly on that cover.

Assuming Witchfire's not being possessed, does anyone want her to survive? I think she kind of has to die.

[darkclaw]

Only with some serious re-vamping!

[sunofdarkchild]

I always kind of liked the fact that Illyana's magicks, (even on the rare occasion when the writer's would let her use them) never work exactly as she intends, but have a taint to it (remember Doctor MacTaggart's clothes when Illyana had to dress her in a hurry). Think that part will stick around? (I hope, I hope, I hope?)

I also liked that her powers had the danger of causing evil side affects whenever she used them. I just didn't like that most of the time she couldn't use them.

At first (Magik mini, New Mutants14-24) a big deal was made of her sorcery being a mix of white and black magic. Later the writers made it completely black. I wish that they had kept the mix element; it made Illyana even more unique and was an even more interesting dynamic.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I would have thought true X-fans would have run for the hills after the whole "Dark Beast" incident. Do we really want Illyana added to that group?

Fair point. But I still maintain that Dark Magik would make more sense than just about any other Dark title.

Anyone else not happy with the way Illyana was drawn on this cover?

Not her best look, no. If Stuart Immonen had to leave Ultimate Spider-Man for New Avengers, I wish he'd been there in time for this story arc.

Assuming Witchfire's not being possessed, does anyone want her to survive? I think she kind of has to die.

I do, actually. A good arch nemesis is worth their weight in soulsteel.

[MartinRedmond]

Yeah, Illyana looks ugly on that cover.

Assuming Witchfire's not being possessed, does anyone want her to survive? I think she kind of has to die.

She can be Illyana's assistant or a competitive witch. I think that she adds flavour to Limbo.

[MartinRedmond]

Where is the picture I asked for?

It's inside an issue of New Mutants.

[darknessatnoon]

It's inside an issue of New Mutants.

Get it for me. Be useful for once, MR.

[MartinRedmond]

Nnnnnnnnnneverrr

[Swashbuckler]

Get it for me. Be useful for once, MR.

Of Illyana teleporting Caps shield? I will scan it when I get home.

[yanapryde]

Its been said, by Mr.Wells, that Magma is going to be 'keeping an eye on Illyana' during the series.
Why?
Whats that about?
Why is she suspicious of her? Does she learn/know something the others don't?

[sunofdarkchild]

Its been said, by Mr.Wells, that Magma is going to be 'keeping an eye on Illyana' during the series.
Why?
Whats that about?
Why is she suspicious of her? Does she learn/know something the others don't?

Magma is filling Rahne's old role, since the furtop will be in X-Force. If someone's going to be suspicious of Illyana that then it makes sense that it would be Amara, as she was the only one in the reforming group that did not see Illyana sacrifice herself at Inferno.

[sunofdarkchild]

And, like other posters here and in the "New Mutants Series" thread have intimated, I'm hoping Illyana's appearance on the cover of New Avengers # 51 signals a role in that storyline. Do I really think Marvel will make her the new Sorcerer Supreme? No (although it would be cool to see her thrust in that role with NO DESIRE WHATSOEVER to hold the title, and still juggle her role as X-Man with her teammates), but it would be great to see her show up in that title and have her play a part in Dr. Strange's quest.

That would be AWSOME! No rest for weary sorceresses!

[SayOcean]

yeah whenever i read nm i never thought of illyanas mkagik as being to strong, in fact i always thought they were kinda weak, and they were even limited on earth, in limbo she was queen but on earth they would do more harm than good

[yanapryde]

I'd love to see some fan art on here gang!
Anyone out there with some Illyana / Magik images they'd care to share?
:smile:

[sunofdarkchild]

What are everyone's favourite Magik moments?

1: Illyana forging the soulsword and defeating Belasco.
2: Illyana making short work of S'ym after S'ym proved invulnerable to everything the New Mutants could throw at him.
3: Illyana taking charge of the New Mutants after Dani is injured and destroying the demon bear (New Mutants 19-20).
4: Illyana taking away Rahne's powers while exorcising Cloak and Daggers powers from her and Roberto(New Mutants 24-25).
5: Illyana outsmarting the Shadowking.
6: Illyana defeating and imprisoning the enchantress.
7: Illyana defeating Legion by glaring at him.
8: Illyana making Empath wet himself at a party (New Mutants 53).
9: Illyana's saving the space X-Men from their brood implants.
10: Illyana's sacrifice to end Inferno.

[sunofdarkchild]

Ok. The Hood will not be the new sorcerer supreme. It looks like he'll be a bad guy after all. I'm saying this after seeing the solicitaion for the May issue of New Avengers, where Doctor Strange's replacement has still not been chosen.

Fingers still crossed for our girl!

[yanapryde]

:smile:

Fan Art. Yay.
Me = Fan
Me make Fan Art

[NielsVanEekelen]

:smile:

Fan Art. Yay.
Me = Fan
Me make Fan Art

Me = Fan of Fan art
Fan Art. Yay.
:smile:

[sunofdarkchild]

You like fan art?
Maybe you like fanfiction too!
You go to fanfiction.net
Me recommend stories 'Book of Magik' and Tale of Magik' by different authors.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I like 'Dealing with Demons' by Hekatis best. Not on FF.net, though, but googleable.

And I like the New Mutants/Harry Potter AU that I keep telling myself I'll write.:wink:

But thanks for the suggestions--think I actually haven't read those two yet. :smile:

[sunofdarkchild]

You saw 'Dealing with Demons' on the Pandemonium site, right?

There seem to be a shortage of Magik/Harry Potter crossovers. Maybe I'll write one one day, if I ever find the time and the inspiration.

[darkclaw]

You like fan art?
Maybe you like fanfiction too!
You go to fanfiction.net
Me recommend stories 'Book of Magik' and Tale of Magik' by different authors.
I have several Illyana stories, too, that I got from the net. My favorites are "Poison" and "Our Queen of the Cloven Hooves"

[NielsVanEekelen]

You saw 'Dealing with Demons' on the Pandemonium site, right?

Ah, yes, that's the one.

[sunofdarkchild]

I have several Illyana stories, too, that I got from the net. My favorites are "Poison" and "Our Queen of the Cloven Hooves"

I can't find those. What site are they on? Or is "Poison" actually "Poison Light?"

[sunofdarkchild]

http://lubakmetyk.infinology.net/graphics/bicmoore/VM-Illyana1.jpg

creepy Magik pic I found.

[drwho]

Anyone else not happy with the way Illyana was drawn on this cover?

Why does brother voodoo look like one of the undead in that art?

[sunofdarkchild]

Time for another one of my "how stupid are the folks at Marvel" rants.

Can someone please tell me who the eulogy Storm gave in Uncanny 304 was for, cause it wasn't for any Illyana.

[darkclaw]

I can't find those. What site are they on? Or is "Poison" actually "Poison Light?"
Right. The other one was "Our LADY of the Cloven Hooves" (sorry, I was SO tired yesterday!)

Here's a pretty cool (and short) one from a person called Dyce. It's supposed to be Illyana casting a spell that will "change the dark shadows within her to something better." (not sure if I buy that) But, enjoy, anyways!


Metamorphosis
By Dyce

Let there be darkness.
Let the day die,
And the sun grow dim.
Let the night come.
Let the moon fade,
And the stars fall from the sky.
In the darkness,
Let evil come at last to power,
And dim the light of good for all time.
Let there be darkness.

Let there be darkness.
Let the old day die,
And the sun grow dim.
Let the night come,
Let the moon glow,
And the stars fill the sky,
In the darkness.
Let peace come to the weary,
And dim good and evil for a time.
Let there be darkness.

Let there be darkness,
Until the new day dawns,
And the sun grows bright again,
So let the night come.
Let the moon glow,
'Til the stars fade from the sky,
In the dawning.
Let hope come me at last,
And bring joy to my life,
So let there be darkness.

[darkclaw]

Time for another one of my "how stupid are the folks at Marvel" rants.

Can someone please tell me who the eulogy Storm gave in Uncanny 304 was for, cause it wasn't for any Illyana.
Flesh golem? Hitogata? Doppelganger? Alternate reality? I dunno, I'm just glad Illyana's back!

[sunofdarkchild]

Flesh golem? Hitogata? Doppelganger? Alternate reality? I dunno, I'm just glad Illyana's back!

That was at Illyana's funeral after she died of the Legacy Virus. My problem is that what Storm said had almost nothing to do with Illyana, either as the troubled teenager or as the little kid who died. It was like having the eulogy for Abraham Lincoln talk about how he made the Louisiana Purchase, not about his leadership during the Civil War.

[sunofdarkchild]

Spit and Hades! Where is everybody?

[The M.E.]

Spit and Hades! Where is everybody?

Hi!

Sooo.....any interest in seeing Jubilee's reaction to Illyana's resurrection? Since it did have a huge impact on her, that could be a cool scene...

[sunofdarkchild]

Sooo.....any interest in seeing Jubilee's reaction to Illyana's resurrection? Since it did have a huge impact on her, that could be a cool scene...

Illyana probably won't remember Jubilee. The last thing she'll remember will be Inferno. This will definately upset Jubilee. That would be a very sad scene if wtitten correctly.

I forget, Jubilee's depwered now, right?

[The M.E.]

Illyana probably won't remember Jubilee. The last thing she'll remember will be Inferno. This will definately upset Jubilee. That would be a very sad scene if wtitten correctly.

I forget, Jubilee's depwered now, right?

Yeah, and depersonalitied and deawesomed as well. I don't think it'll ever happen, but I am looking forward to yana's interaction with the other new mutants.

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm itching to know what Illyana will be doing to make Amara suspicious of her, assuming that Amara's not just naturally suspicious of people who come back from the dead.

Does anyone else think that Illyana may undo some of the Scarlet Witch's magic, and maybe restore Dani's mutant powers?

And of course there's the reunion we're all waiting for: Illyana's getting Kitty out of that freaking bullet!

She ain't leaving her soul-sister out in space like that (at least not if the Marvel people have any idea what their characters' histories and personalities are).

[darknessatnoon]

Courtesy of Swashbuckler:

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh227/darknessatnoon/yanaCap.jpg

I guess we now know who the real Illyana fans are.

[sunofdarkchild]

"Anything but ordinary." Very true.

But Captain America already knew Illyana from the Kulun Gath battle and from the battle of Secret Wars 2 issue 1. Did a change of clothes really make that much of a difference that he couldn't recognize her?

And of course Cap and the Avngers later on tried to capture Magneto while he was on vacation with the X-Men. Short memory spans.

[NielsVanEekelen]

And of course there's the reunion we're all waiting for: Illyana's getting Kitty out of that freaking bullet!

She ain't leaving her soul-sister out in space like that (at least not if the Marvel people have any idea what their characters' histories and personalities are).

Amen and verily!

I bet Lockheed's been in space tracking the bullet, so he can come back and give Yana directions.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7334/magikcl0.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[yanapryde]

Illyana probably won't remember Jubilee. The last thing she'll remember will be Inferno. This will definately upset Jubilee. That would be a very sad scene if wtitten correctly.

I forget, Jubilee's depwered now, right?

Thats an interesting point.
What will she remember from her previous life, now that she's alive again.
Will she only recall her memories pre-Inferno or will she recall any of the events post-Infern when she was restored to a little girl?
And if not.....how will she react?

"Wait, I died from being SICK?? ME? And Piotr died to find a cure??"
"Kitty is WHERE???"
"Mikhail did WHAT?"

[NielsVanEekelen]

"Mikhail did WHAT?"

Oh, I think her main concern about Mikhail would be that apparently he didn't die before she was even born.

(What I always remember best from the issues when Mikhail first turned up alive is his surprised line to Piotr, "We have a little sister?") :smile:

Personally, I'd write her as not having the memories of after she was de-aged. But then, Jean eventually got the Phoenix force's memories of when it was impersonating her, so anything can happen.

I do think that after her Divided We Stand story, Illyana checked up on the major events in the world, so she shouldn't be shocked by everything new.

[yanapryde]

Oh, I think her main concern about Mikhail would be that apparently he didn't die before she was even born.

(What I always remember best from the issues when Mikhail first turned up alive is his surprised line to Piotr, "We have a little sister?") :smile:

Personally, I'd write her as not having the memories of after she was de-aged. But then, Jean eventually got the Phoenix force's memories of when it was impersonating her, so anything can happen.

I do think that after her Divided We Stand story, Illyana checked up on the major events in the world, so she shouldn't be shocked by everything new.

Yes, I too would prefer her memories to be pre-Inferno.
As for her checking the X-calendar for whats been going on, I know she attempted making contact and seeking help from Peter and Kitty but upon arrival at the Institute she remembered, it was crumbled like a cookie, which....not surprisingly, tip the sanity scale.
So as far as current info she knows (help me out if you can add to it :smile: )-->

-She knows the mansion was destroyed
-She knows Rockslide is not the quickest
-Mercury is resistant to magic, but not immune
-Big Bro is alive and wants to help
-Karma is ...around
-Emma Frost is...among the X-Men (if she recognized her)
-Pixie is a willey number now and she's pissed
-Nightcrawler....if she was paying attention to his motionless body...is still an x-man

That pretty much cover it?

[NielsVanEekelen]

That's about what we know she knows, yes.

But I have to figure that after popping into the Mansion and getting that shock, she would want to be prepared for further surprises--powerful as she is/was as reinstated mistress of Limbo, she was probably able to recreate her scrying glass and spy from a safe distance.

[darkclaw]

That's about what we know she knows, yes.

But I have to figure that after popping into the Mansion and getting that shock, she would want to be prepared for further surprises--powerful as she is/was as reinstated mistress of Limbo, she was probably able to recreate her scrying glass and spy from a safe distance.

I'm sure she did, too, but I have to admit, I'm not as convinced that she'd be fully up to speed, not with Belasco having control of Limbo until only recently and with all the fighting she's had to do to hold onto it since. Maybe a chance to glimpse here or there, but I think there will be gaps in what she knows.

[sunofdarkchild]

I don't think that Illyana is up to speed on what's happened since Inferno, because she hasn't reacted to anything yet, from the Messiah Complex to Kitty's situation.

Illyana has a lot of surprises waiting for her:

Emma Frost is a good 'guy.' (I still can't get over that.)
Magneto is a bad guy again.
Kitty is stuck in an intergalactic bullet.
Colossus joined Magneto's anti-human crusade for a time.
Professor X is a cripple again, in addition to everything else that's been happening to him.
Most mutants are depowered.
The whole Marvel Civil War.
Captain America dead.
Amanda's usurping the name, role, and soul sword of Magik while spinning that bull to Kitty about the soul sword. (B****!)
Colossus' 'dieing' to cure the Legacy Virus.
9/11.

It's good to be back, isn't it Illyana?

Illyana: Kill me again please.

[sunofdarkchild]

An interesting question. Could the Legacy Virus have affected Illyana while she was a demon sorceress?

[Darkchylde]

An interesting question. Could the Legacy Virus have affected Illyana while she was a demon sorceress?

According to that horrible The New Mutants: Truth or Death mini series some years ago, Mikhail Rasputin, infected with the Legacy Virus, transported the cells from his body into Illyana's - effectively giving her the Legacy Virus.

Mikhail's rationale was that Illyana's mystical nature should have created a countermeasure to the virus, but he hadn't counted on Illyana becoming de-aged and de-powered. I guess we'll never know how the virus would have affected her in her Magik/Darkchilde personae.

[sunofdarkchild]

I know about the Truth or Death mini, but I discount it completely. If you want to use it, however, then there are many problems.

1: The Beyonder killed Illyana along with all the other New Mutants, then ressurected them. Did he recreate Illyana's body with the same deseases it had when he destroyed it?

2: The virus didn't affect Illyana for years. I'm not aware of it being dormant for any stretch of time for any other mutant. It took many months to affect her even
after she became a kid again.

3: At Inferno, Illyana either switched herself with the little snowflake they found in Limbo, in which case she wouldn't have the virus, or she regressed herself back to how she was when Belasco kidnapped her, in which case I'd imagine that she'd also be healthy.

4: I just can't bring myself to believe that Illyana was suffering or slowly dying from a deadly disease during the New Mutants run.

[sunofdarkchild]

That got me thinking, you know how the Illyana that Colossus found in her armor after Inferno was wearing a dress? But when Illyana was kidnapped and had part of her soul turned into a bloodstone she wore a sweater and jeans? What's up with that?

[visi]

I'm really glad Illyana is on her way back, all the new mutants rock , but I always saw Illyana as the heart of that team

[sunofdarkchild]

I'm really glad Illyana is on her way back, all the new mutants rock , but I always saw Illyana as the heart of that team

Heart and dark soul.

[sunofdarkchild]

Is it possible that Legion knows that it was the Age of Apocalypse Illyana who sent Bishop back in time to stop him, and now that the 616 Illyana is coming back he wants revenge?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Is it possible that Legion knows that it was the Age of Apocalypse Illyana who sent Bishop back in time to stop him, and now that the 616 Illyana is coming back he wants revenge?

Ooh, good thought. Those alternate universe versions--always getting Illyana into trouble, like HoM Illyana getting Belasco's attention.

I think Zeb Wells has alluded to the fact that Legion specifically wants the entire reunited New Mutants team, though, so that wouldn't fit.

[sunofdarkchild]

Without the HoM Illyana we wouldn't have our Darkchylde back.

I guess that Legion will be disapointed if he wants the whole team, with Rahne not being there. And what does Legion have to do with Karma that she seems to be the focus of the first issues?

I feel bad for the AoA Colossus though. He went beserk and had to be killed because the reality where his sister was dead was being restored, but now she's coming back, so his reason for losing it no longer exists.

It looks like it was a good thing that Illyana was dead for a while, otherwise the 616 Universe would not exist.

[MuhollandDriver]

i always saw Sam as the heart of the team, actually. He always was the dad...taking care of everyone. Dani is the leader for me.

Illyana is the anti-hero of the team...much like Wolverine.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Double post.

My Internet connection is all over the place, lately.:rolleyes:

[NielsVanEekelen]

I'm reading Black Sun right now (which I'd never actually read before--I'm... a bit behind in reading stuff I've bought) and a follow-upstory seems to suggest itself.

First Amanda Sefton somehow manages to convince Kitty that there's nothing of Illyana in her Soulsword, just so Kitty will let her have it--this despite Kitty and Illyana's souls having a bond that should have let her sense the soul piece in the Sword.

Then Amanda shows up pretending to be Illyana and actually convincing that same soul-bonded Kitty. It is clear to me that Amanda used and Manipulated Illyana's soul for her own ends. Sure, she'll say those ends were the greater good, protecting Limbo and thus Earth...

But hasn't Illyana suffered that sort of torment enough from the bad guys not to get the same from the supposed good guys? I can see a story arc where Illyana goes to take revenge on Amanda. Of course, probably the New Mutants would stop her from killing Amanda at the last moment by convincing Illyana not to give in to her dark side. Still, we can imagine Amanda suffering and being spurned by the X-Men for her sins. :cool:

[MartinRedmond]

The Illyana FanClub does not approve of harrasment against dissidents, Niels. Unless it's convenient towards Illyana's goals.

[darkclaw]

I wonder if there may be a connection between Jack Wayne and Abdul Fayet?

[darkclaw]

I'm reading Black Sun right now (which I'd never actually read before--I'm... a bit behind in reading stuff I've bought) and a follow-upstory seems to suggest itself.

First Amanda Sefton somehow manages to convince Kitty that there's nothing of Illyana in her Soulsword, just so Kitty will let her have it--this despite Kitty and Illyana's souls having a bond that should have let her sense the soul piece in the Sword.

Then Amanda shows up pretending to be Illyana and actually convincing that same soul-bonded Kitty. It is clear to me that Amanda used and Manipulated Illyana's soul for her own ends. Sure, she'll say those ends were the greater good, protecting Limbo and thus Earth...

But hasn't Illyana suffered that sort of torment enough from the bad guys not to get the same from the supposed good guys? I can see a story arc where Illyana goes to take revenge on Amanda. Of course, probably the New Mutants would stop her from killing Amanda at the last moment by convincing Illyana not to give in to her dark side. Still, we can imagine Amanda suffering and being spurned by the X-Men for her sins. :cool:
Much like Amanda's mother Margoli tortured her and Kurt. All part and parcel of the Winding Way. Seems the apple didn't fall too far from the tree after all.

[darkclaw]

I guess that Legion will be disapointed if he wants the whole team, with Rahne not being there. And what does Legion have to do with Karma that she seems to be the focus of the first issues?

.
See my message about Jack Wayne above. This is what it was referring to.

[yanapryde]

I'm reading Black Sun right now (which I'd never actually read before--I'm... a bit behind in reading stuff I've bought) and a follow-upstory seems to suggest itself.

First Amanda Sefton somehow manages to convince Kitty that there's nothing of Illyana in her Soulsword, just so Kitty will let her have it--this despite Kitty and Illyana's souls having a bond that should have let her sense the soul piece in the Sword.

Then Amanda shows up pretending to be Illyana and actually convincing that same soul-bonded Kitty. It is clear to me that Amanda used and Manipulated Illyana's soul for her own ends. Sure, she'll say those ends were the greater good, protecting Limbo and thus Earth...

But hasn't Illyana suffered that sort of torment enough from the bad guys not to get the same from the supposed good guys? I can see a story arc where Illyana goes to take revenge on Amanda. Of course, probably the New Mutants would stop her from killing Amanda at the last moment by convincing Illyana not to give in to her dark side. Still, we can imagine Amanda suffering and being spurned by the X-Men for her sins. :cool:

Here here!
Amanda is a poser. She got her butt handed to her, rightfully so, posing as Limbo's protector, and now Illyana is back and if she finds out about all the trash Amanda has been talking, then all the better. I'd love to see Yana give Mandy the old icey stare.

"Impersonate me again...and I'll SHOW you just how much of MY SOUL is IN this SOULSWORD. You'll FEEL it."

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana is more likely to just tell Amanda "Good job, but I'm back, so your not needed anymore" than to confront her. Although I can see Illyana yelling at Kitty for letting go of the last piece of her best friend's soul.

And we all know who is the better sorceress. Illyana easily beats Belasco, but Amanda can't do anymore than hold her own against him, even while wielding the soul sword.

[sunofdarkchild]

And it seemed to me that in the Quest for Magik arc Amanda admitted that the soul sword was originally Illyana's.

[Twisted Bliss]

Illyana is more likely to just tell Amanda "Good job, but I'm back, so your not needed anymore" than to confront her. Although I can see Illyana yelling at Kitty for letting go of the last piece of her best friend's soul.

And we all know who is the better sorceress. Illyana easily beats Belasco, but Amanda can't do anymore than hold her own against him, even while wielding the soul sword.

Amanda could apprentice her to use Earth Magicks. It would be helpful to Illyana and increase her abilities on Earth, plus it might break her reliance on using the black magicks of limbo.

[yanapryde]

Amanda could apprentice her to use Earth Magicks. It would be helpful to Illyana and increase her abilities on Earth, plus it might break her reliance on using the black magicks of limbo.

Nice Avatar T.B. :wink:

[sunofdarkchild]

Amanda could apprentice her to use Earth Magicks. It would be helpful to Illyana and increase her abilities on Earth, plus it might break her reliance on using the black magicks of limbo.

Look at what Illyana did in New Mutants 14, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 52, and X-Infernus 2 and then say that Illyana needs to be taught any more about Earthly sorcery.

Even Doctor Strange said that he had little to teach her. Does Amanda have more mystical knowledge than the longtime Sorcerer Supreme of Earth?

Illyana's use of black magic is tied to the condition her soul is in. When she could balance the good and evil in her it was a mix of white and black magic. As she lost control it grew blacker.

[The Black Guardian]

Look at what Illyana did in New Mutants 14, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 52, and X-Infernus 2 and then say that Illyana needs to be taught any more about Earthly sorcery.

Even Doctor Strange said that he had little to teach her. Does Amanda have more mystical knowledge than the longtime Sorcerer Supreme of Earth?

Illyana's use of black magic is tied to the condition her soul is in. When she could balance the good and evil in her it was a mix of white and black magic. As she lost control it grew blacker.
Frankly, I consider that one of Strange's colossal failures. Sure, I realize the writers/editors at Marvel needed/wanted to keep their characters/stories separate, but Strange had plenty to teach her about maintaining her soul. The reason her sorcery grew blacker was because she knew no other way, and ultimately, one of Strange's duties as Sorcerer Supreme is that of spiritual teacher.

[Twisted Bliss]

Look at what Illyana did in New Mutants 14, New Mutants 19, New Mutants 52, and X-Infernus 2 and then say that Illyana needs to be taught any more about Earthly sorcery.

Even Doctor Strange said that he had little to teach her. Does Amanda have more mystical knowledge than the longtime Sorcerer Supreme of Earth?

Illyana's use of black magic is tied to the condition her soul is in. When she could balance the good and evil in her it was a mix of white and black magic. As she lost control it grew blacker.

Illyana's magicks are those of Limbo. Illyana herself theorised that they were corrupt like limbo. My suggestion was that Illyana could learn non-limbo magicks in an effort to dissuade her from relying solely upon them.

Stefan said he could teach her no more. But that was then. When she was a teenager, who was destined to bring destruction upon the earth. Now the status quo has changed. We don't know how old she is and what her ultimate fate will be. If she's an adult she will have overcome the prediction that when she reached adulthood she would become the gateway for the elder gods to enter the earthly dimension blah blah. She was dead but she's back. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN !


Also remember Amanda has knowledge of Earthly magicks and would have picked up knowledge of Limbo magick from her time there. As a teacher she'd be well placed to compare notes, spells and ways of doing things. She could relate to Illyana. Who I imagine would find it incredibly frustrating that she outranks Amanda magickal power wise but only if Illyana relies on her Limbo magick. She would have to suffer being a pupil and the weaker one in order to learn earthly magicks.

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana tried to use only white magic in Limbo, but couldn't because her soul was already too stained and because her motivation was revenge. When she realized that she accepted it and began to use white and black magic in a mix, creating the soulsword. In the early New Mutants issues her pentagrams had silver fire, a sign of white magic, but she faced the base of the star, a sign of black magic.

Doctor Strange did not refuse to teach her because it was her 'destiny' to bring destruction to the Earth. If that were true he would have either taken her on as an apprentice or ordered her banished her from Earth to Limbo forever. Also Illyana would probably have committed suicide if she thought it was inevitable that she would bring about the world's destruction. Illyana would only become the gateway for the Elder Gods once the final two bloodstones were added to the Beatrix medallion, something she was prepared to die to prevent.

Doctor Strange legitimately thought that Illyana had all the magical knowledge she could need, the sum of the alternate Storm's knowledge [I]and[I] Belasco's knowledge, in addition to performing spells no one else had ever imagined, like creating the soul sword. Doctor Strange thought that what Illyana needed was to be around friends and family. Whether he was right or not is unknown, but there really was little about magic he could teach Illyana that she did not already know. The same goes for Amanda.

[sunofdarkchild]

http://lubakmetyk.infinology.net/graphics/bianca/magik.jpg

I like the magic blue lightning aura surounding Illyana.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I have finished Black Sun and reached another important conclusion.

That was one baaad series.

The Illyana FanClub does not approve of harrasment against dissidents, Niels. Unless it's convenient towards Illyana's goals.

I'm not quite sure what that means.

And it seemed to me that in the Quest for Magik arc Amanda admitted that the soul sword was originally Illyana's.

Plus, after the effect just holding the Sword had on Illyana in X-Infernus, it's really impossible to claim otherwise.


On the front page: Who Will Be the Next Sorcerer Supreme (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=20145). Brevoort and Bendis discuss the candidates for Supremeness.

[NielsVanEekelen]

That's about what we know she knows, yes.

But I have to figure that after popping into the Mansion and getting that shock, she would want to be prepared for further surprises--powerful as she is/was as reinstated mistress of Limbo, she was probably able to recreate her scrying glass and spy from a safe distance.

Going back to this, I just had an interesting thought--part of Illyana is in her Soulsword, but how alive is the Sword? Will Illyana know what happened to it now that she has it back?


Also, am re-reading X-Men: Magik following up on Black Sun--in it, Limbo is nothing like it has been seen before, which to me supports that it's shaped to the perceptions of its master, and Amanda just doesn't comprehend Limbo (disastrously so--in trying to control Limbo, she almost destroys creation.)

There's a convocation of demon lords, though, some of the same ones as seen in X-Infernus, that was interesting.

[sunofdarkchild]

I doubt that she'll know everything just from having the sword, partly because I don't think that Marvel will waste a good 'catch up' story.

You're right that pretty much all stories involving Limbo between the original Inferno and Quest for Magik were terrible. The writers ignored nearly everything Claremont had done, stated, and intended, thereby wrecking their stories with inconsistencies in plot, characterization, and an overall lack of respect for the characters.

What's great about the more recent stories, like X-Infernus, is that the people writing them are unabashed fans of the characters, who at the very least wouldn't make the same level of mistakes, except with Nightcrawler. No one seems to have any respect for him anymore.

[yanapryde]

Going back to this, I just had an interesting thought--part of Illyana is in her Soulsword, but how alive is the Sword? Will Illyana know what happened to it now that she has it back?


Also, am re-reading X-Men: Magik following up on Black Sun--in it, Limbo is nothing like it has been seen before, which to me supports that it's shaped to the perceptions of its master, and Amanda just doesn't comprehend Limbo (disastrously so--in trying to control Limbo, she almost destroys creation.)

There's a convocation of demon lords, though, some of the same ones as seen in X-Infernus, that was interesting.

Whose to say that, having her soulsword restored to her, the sword wouldn't provide both 'memories' as well as 'age'.
I mean, her soul sword has been around, dispite her being dead, so maybe the sword ages her to what age she WOULD be had she not died.....?
I dunno.
I'm grasping at straws. :frown:

[The Black Guardian]

She seemed to be the age she would have been even without the sword.

[sunofdarkchild]

Ugh! Did the site go down for a while? I kept on getting the 'cannot find server' screen. Maybe it was because I was on my school computer, which is at least six years old.

Anyway, I was looking at the interview Niels posted about the new sorcerer supreme. It looks to me like its between three people: Ian Mcknee, Jennifer Kale, and Illyana. I can't see any of the others being too seriously considered for the job. And I think that the Scarlett Witch may be the worst choice on that list, for sure in the bottom three.

[yanapryde]

She seemed to be the age she would have been even without the sword.

Thanks TBG.
Your Cipher Pic is vurry nice!

[sunofdarkchild]

I wonder if the 616 Illyana is ever going to be 20 years old in the comics, or even 18. A big part of her tragedy was that despite her trauma and her evil she was still a child. It wouldn't be the same if she was an adult, but maybe their getting rid of her demonic side so it wouldn't matter.

[sunofdarkchild]

Sorry, the link wasn't responding and I clicked it a hundred times in frustration. I guess it 'responded' eventually to 5 of those clicks.

[sunofdarkchild]

The same .

[sunofdarkchild]

Another one.

[sunofdarkchild]

Last one, yay!

[yanapryde]

Last one, yay!

perhaps the computer overlords are becoming aware of your multi-posting, both with and without technical difficulty/problems and are attempting to restrict your access / posts.

I dunno.

[NielsVanEekelen]

Whose to say that, having her soulsword restored to her, the sword wouldn't provide both 'memories' as well as 'age'.
I mean, her soul sword has been around, dispite her being dead, so maybe the sword ages her to what age she WOULD be had she not died.....?
I dunno.
I'm grasping at straws. :frown:

Nah, it won't, because... I don't want it to?

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=yanapryde;8470899]perhaps the computer overlords are becoming aware of your multi-posting, both with and without technical difficulty/problems and are attempting to restrict your access / posts.

QUOTE]

School computers are old and the home computer has spyware problems. It needs an exorcism.

You think Illyana can provide?

[darkclaw]

Amanda could apprentice her to use Earth Magicks. It would be helpful to Illyana and increase her abilities on Earth, plus it might break her reliance on using the black magicks of limbo.
Perhaps, but would she trust such a con artist? Would the X-Men allow it, ater what that family has done to them through the years?

[sunofdarkchild]

Unfortunately, there are no trust issues between Amanda and the X-Men. Still, the only person who could or would apprentice Illyana in any context is Doctor Strange.

[yanapryde]

Unfortunately, there are no trust issues between Amanda and the X-Men. Still, the only person who could or would apprentice Illyana in any context is Doctor Strange.

Our gal needs no tutelage. She's the bee's knees.
Doc Strange is out. I don't trust Amanda.
And I'm hoping that....what someone posted earlier winds up true. Something about her being a little different this time around, when she was restored.
So she'll be able to magik-it-up wherever she needs, but limited ( I hope )

I likes my trial-n-error Yana. Makes for stories.

[rogue_kiss]

I <3 me some Illyana.

She's awesomeness. :D

[yanapryde]

I <3 me some Illyana.

She's awesomeness. :D

Quoted for TRUTH!:biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

I <3 me some Illyana.

She's awesomeness. :D

The Jack Bauer of the New Mutants!

[yanapryde]

The Jack Bauer of the New Mutants!

ick.:tongue:

[SayOcean]

speaking of when Magik gets her revenge.....the scene where they have spiral in custody and magik threatens to use her sword to skin spirals mystical soul was just awesome


p.s. i dont remember exactly what she said , but it was pretty hardcore

[darkclaw]

speaking of when Magik gets her revenge.....the scene where they have spiral in custody and magik threatens to use her sword to skin spirals mystical soul was just awesome


p.s. i dont remember exactly what she said , but it was pretty hardcore

:cool: I believe this is the panel you are seeking, is it not? And yes, you are right, totally wicked. She probably could have scared the pants off Spiral without the 6-arm full nelson or the Ginzu Samurai there.

[sunofdarkchild]

speaking of when Magik gets her revenge.....the scene where they have spiral in custody and magik threatens to use her sword to skin spirals mystical soul was just awesome


p.s. i dont remember exactly what she said , but it was pretty hardcore

Or how she tormented Empath. Now that was classic.

[jarrod]

:cool: I believe this is the panel you are seeking, is it not? And yes, you are right, totally wicked. She probably could have scared the pants off Spiral without the 6-arm full nelson or the Ginzu Samurai there.
Oh man,t I'd really love to see a new Art Adams drawn SE for the Muties. Maybe have the random students left in it too, take 'em all to Asgard or Mojoworld or something...

[SayOcean]

:cool: I believe this is the panel you are seeking, is it not? And yes, you are right, totally wicked. She probably could have scared the pants off Spiral without the 6-arm full nelson or the Ginzu Samurai there.yes yes that scene right there my frist NM encounter...thats what made me fall in love with her....i mean who was this innocent looking blonde teaming up with collussus and wolverine to do some damage....pure awesomeness

[sunofdarkchild]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2542/141189-161-illyana-rasputin.jpg

I hope the picture came out this time.

Anyway. This is proof that Amanda took a title she had no right to and that the REAL Magik is better.

[psychic_therapy]

Illyana rocks! She's been stuck in limbo too long but she's coming back!

[Twisted Bliss]

Finally got my hands on X-infernus #3..

I dunno if these would be classed as spoilers given the length of time this issue has been out but I'll play it safe

I thought I was going to cry reading and seeing Illyana's interaction with Kurt.

The apologies, the tears on her face. The thought that she might not make it out of this alive (I was trying to pretend I didn't know she is in the new 'New Mutants')

I like the fact they made Titsie the apprentice to Witchfire. Witchfire thereby absolves Illyana of complete blame for the state of Titsie going forward. For that alone I'm glad. I really want Illyana's association with that power stealing, concept thieving, position usurping, gnat to end. This may just prove the catalyst. Of course the whole Illyana getting stabbed and Titsie feeling it indicates some horrible soul link which is not what I want but I'm trying to move past that and concentrate upon the good aspects.

[NielsVanEekelen]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2542/141189-161-illyana-rasputin.jpg

I hope the picture came out this time.

Anyway. This is proof that Amanda took a title she had no right to and that the REAL Magik is better.

DOWN WITH THE PRETENDER!

*cough* Sorry, what?

Finally got my hands on X-infernus #3..

I dunno if these would be classed as spoilers given the length of time this issue has been out but I'll play it safe

I thought I was going to cry reading and seeing Illyana's interaction with Kurt.

The apologies, the tears on her face. The thought that she might not make it out of this alive (I was trying to pretend I didn't know she is in the new 'New Mutants')

I like the fact they made Titsie the apprentice to Witchfire. Witchfire thereby absolves Illyana of complete blame for the state of Titsie going forward. For that alone I'm glad. I really want Illyana's association with that power stealing, concept thieving, position usurping, gnat to end. This may just prove the catalyst. Of course the whole Illyana getting stabbed and Titsie feeling it indicates some horrible soul link which is not what I want but I'm trying to move past that and concentrate upon the good aspects.

I actually like Pixie, even if her storyline is just a pale reflection of Illyana's. Still, I'm hoping that storyline is resolved in X-Infernus by Illyana restoring her (Pixie's) soul. Kurt stabs Illyana with Pixie's Souldagger--she could feel that because, A) that's her Souldagger and it's cutting into some heavy magical interference in the form of Illyana, or B) the missing piece of her soul is being cut free and rejoining the rest of it in her body, thus restoring Pixie and ridding her of her magic abilities, which again means the X-Men will rather need Illyana to transport them home.

[Twisted Bliss]

DOWN WITH THE PRETENDER!

*cough* Sorry, what?



I actually like Pixie, even if her storyline is just a pale reflection of Illyana's. Still, I'm hoping that storyline is resolved in X-Infernus by Illyana restoring her (Pixie's) soul. Kurt stabs Illyana with Pixie's Souldagger--she could feel that because, A) that's her Souldagger and it's cutting into some heavy magical interference in the form of Illyana, or B) the missing piece of her soul is being cut free and rejoining the rest of it in her body, thus restoring Pixie and ridding her of her magic abilities, which again means the X-Men will rather need Illyana to transport them home.


or the souldagger forms a link/connection between Illyana and Pixie. The bloodstone being formed then switches its source from Pixie to Illyana. As Illyana has no soul the Bloodstone either cannot fully form or will be just non-functioning when placed in the Beatrice Medallion.

I suppose its also possible that if the connection draws on Illyana then Witchfire's spell will actually summon Illyana's lost soul by forming it into a Bloodstone. Thus if Illyana can get it back she will regain her soul.

(I think that's right... Originally there were 3 Bloodstones formed of Illyana's soul in the Beatrice Medallion. 2 spaces for stones left. 1 would presumably be the Soulsword since Illyana traded/converted a piece of her soul to make it. leaving her with 1/5th of her soul. Which Witchfire could be inadvertantly conjouring from wherever it may currently reside.....does that make any sense !?!?)

[sunofdarkchild]

Of course Marvel would never do this, but I'd like for them to go into Amanda's motives for everything she did and conclude that she was like her mother. I'd really like to know what the heck was up with her putting the soul sword in Nightcrawler. I never understood that. And of course the story would end with the battle of the century, Magik vs Magik.

[sunofdarkchild]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/9490/384290-189666-illyana-rasputin.jpg

Finally! I've been looking for a picture just like this one for a long time, with Illyana brandishing the soul sword in one hand while her other hand glows as she charges up a spell.

[darkclaw]

Here's the commisiion work of Jeffery Moy of my favorite ladies of comics! Guess who took the number one slot?:tongue:

[darkclaw]

In X-Infernus, when Witchfire goes before the demonic council, she shows the Beatrix medallion to them. It has three bloodstones in it. These are the same three bloodstones created WAY back in the Magik: Storm and Illyana series. The bloodstones have usually meant the parts of her soul, the amount she has lost. With Belasco having had her all this time, are they trying to tell us he could get any more bloodstones? Or could it be (as I have heard theories on other sites) that this is NOT the same Illyana and hence the medallion would not take her soul-fragments? And, depending on where you fall in this, what did Illyana mean, then, by 'wanting to get her soul back'? Just the soulsword? Both? And doesn't she still have 2/5 of a soul, just like she did back then, if the medallion is to be believed?:confused:

[sunofdarkchild]

In X-Infernus, when Witchfire goes before the demonic council, she shows the Beatrix medallion to them. It has three bloodstones in it. These are the same three bloodstones created WAY back in the Magik: Storm and Illyana series. The bloodstones have usually meant the parts of her soul, the amount she has lost. With Belasco having had her all this time, are they trying to tell us he could get any more bloodstones? Or could it be (as I have heard theories on other sites) that this is NOT the same Illyana and hence the medallion would not take her soul-fragments? And, depending on where you fall in this, what did Illyana mean, then, by 'wanting to get her soul back'? Just the soulsword? Both? And doesn't she still have 2/5 of a soul, just like she did back then, if the medallion is to be believed?:confused:

When Belasco cast his necromancy spell to bring Illyana back to life he was able to gather every part of her except her soul. Illyana got some of her soul back when she touched her soul sword and needs the Medallion to get the rest of her soul back.

But it is a very good question as to how Witchfire got the medallion. Illyana kept it on her at all times until Inferno, but was it ever revealed what happened to it after Inferno? If Illyana erased herself from Limbo's history then the bloodstones should also have been erased. Until now I'd always assumed that they were erased. It seems that Belasco did not have the medallion, so how did Witchfire get it?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Here's the commisiion work of Jeffery Moy of my favorite ladies of comics! Guess who took the number one slot?:tongue:

Awesomeness!


As for the soul thing, I think Belasco needed to turn Illyana to the dark side bit by bit before making each bloodstone, and that's why he didn't just make all five real quick.

Illyana reverted partway back to human when she got her Soulsword back, so it certainly appears that this is the same Illyana as the one from Inferno, with the same soul.

[Twisted Bliss]

When Belasco cast his necromancy spell to bring Illyana back to life he was able to gather every part of her except her soul. Illyana got some of her soul back when she touched her soul sword and needs the Medallion to get the rest of her soul back.

But it is a very good question as to how Witchfire got the medallion. Illyana kept it on her at all times until Inferno, but was it ever revealed what happened to it after Inferno? If Illyana erased herself from Limbo's history then the bloodstones should also have been erased. Until now I'd always assumed that they were erased. It seems that Belasco did not have the medallion, so how did Witchfire get it?

Good point about the medallion.

I'm reaching back into memory here (in the office no comic to refer too) didn't young Illyana have the medallion around her neck when Colossus broke open the discarded Darkchilde armour back in New Mutants#75 (Oh my god... how much of a nerd am I that I remember that!?)

Point being if the medallion existed then the bloodstones must have existed within the medallion. I guess that mean't the young Illyana the New Mutants 'rescued' had already been tainted by Limbo. She just hadn't developed the Soulsword. Which is odd because if you try to follow that chain of logic, the bloodstones and the medallion would exist. Its the Soulsword that shouldn't exist as it was never created ?!?!

Wow that's a mind-f**k !

Was the medallion seen after that? Like the issue where Illyana was dropped off with her parents by the New Mutants ?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Good point about the medallion.

I'm reaching back into memory here (in the office no comic to refer too) didn't young Illyana have the medallion around her neck when Colossus broke open the discarded Darkchilde armour back in New Mutants#75 (Oh my god... how much of a nerd am I that I remember that!?)

Point being if the medallion existed then the bloodstones must have existed within the medallion. I guess that mean't the young Illyana the New Mutants 'rescued' had already been tainted by Limbo. She just hadn't developed the Soulsword. Which is odd because if you try to follow that chain of logic, the bloodstones and the medallion would exist. Its the Soulsword that shouldn't exist as it was never created ?!?!

Wow that's a mind-f**k !

Was the medallion seen after that? Like the issue where Illyana was dropped off with her parents by the New Mutants ?

Don't worry, you're not that much of a nerd. That was #73 :cool:

I checked, and Illyana has something that was probably the medallion, but the art is not very clear. Don't think she's seen with the medallion again.

If you think of it as the older Illyana being erased from history, yes the Soulsword and the bloodstones should have been erased, too--but then, logically, without the older Illyana, the younger could not have been saved from Limbo/Belasco...

So what we have here is a temporal paradox--both Illyana's continued to exist. The older one was just in some lower-case limbo outside the timestream until Belasco brought her back, and that's why the Soulsword bonded to the younger Illyana (who never used it, of course) and then moved on to Kitty after her death (*sniff*).

[Twisted Bliss]

Don't worry, you're not that much of a nerd. That was #73 :cool:

I checked, and Illyana has something that was probably the medallion, but the art is not very clear. Don't think she's seen with the medallion again.

If you think of it as the older Illyana being erased from history, yes the Soulsword and the bloodstones should have been erased, too--but then, logically, without the older Illyana, the younger could not have been saved from Limbo/Belasco...

So what we have here is a temporal paradox--both Illyana's continued to exist. The older one was just in some lower-case limbo outside the timestream until Belasco brought her back, and that's why the Soulsword bonded to the younger Illyana (who never used it, of course) and then moved on to Kitty after her death (*sniff*).

Doh ! You'd think I'd remember that but all I can see is the image of the front cover in my minds eye.

I think you're right. Its best not to think too hard about the temporal angle. It gets a bit messy. Still I wouldn't mind if at some point another Illyana Rasputin appears claiming to be our version and claims the current version is an imposter from another dimension/timeline. She could be for all intents and purposes her own worst enemy !

[Leirus]

Doh ! You'd think I'd remember that but all I can see is the image of the front cover in my minds eye.

I think you're right. Its best not to think too hard about the temporal angle. It gets a bit messy. Still I wouldn't mind if at some point another Illyana Rasputin appears claiming to be our version and claims the current version is an imposter from another dimension/timeline. She could be for all intents and purposes her own worst enemy !

Wouldnt that be too Kwannon-ish?

[Twisted Bliss]

Wouldnt that be too Kwannon-ish?

I suppose, but they're different people in the wrong bodies. Oh not the whole Betsy/Kwannon thing. That was a right mess.

I meant an identical version of Illyana. Like Illyana twins. Can you say "SOULSWORD FIGHT"

But as your comments re: Kwannon rightfully point out its best not to go there

[sunofdarkchild]

[QUOTE=Twisted Bliss;8501755] I guess that mean't the young Illyana the New Mutants 'rescued' had already been tainted by Limbo. QUOTE]

By the time she was old enough to be beaten by S'ym two of the bloodstones were made. The writers decided to disregard this and the fact that Belasco corrupted her by creating the first bloodstone within minutes of bringing her to Limbo. So if the Illyana that remained after Inferno was the Illyana Rahne rescued there should have been two bloodstones, not three, and she should have been at least eight years old, not six.

The soul sword didn't bond with the young Illyana. It went straight to Kitty who used it to free Excaliber from the efects of Inferno. Then it turned up at Excaliber's headquarters stuck in a rock, where only Kitty (or concievably the small Illyana) could remove it. Then it gets confusing. Kitty gave it to what's his face who was left to rule Limbo, Illyana died, and somewhere down the line that guy somwhow lost control of LImbo. Then the sword came back to Kitty.

Anyone think that Amanda and/or her mother had a hand in what's his face losing control of Limbo and the soul sword?

As for the soul sword's continued existence, I'd say that whatever it was about Kitty's and Illyana's soul bond that allowed Kitty to remember Illyana after the Beyonder erased all memories of her would have allowed Kitty to remember the teenage Illyana and keep the soul sword even though it would have never been forged.

Or you could just say that we'er dealing with Limbo time,so it naturally won't make sense.

[yanapryde]

Anyone have insight into when the last issue of X-Infernus comes out?
Its in a few weeks, ya?

[sunofdarkchild]

Anyone have insight into when the last issue of X-Infernus comes out?
Its in a few weeks, ya?


Not till March 25. Darn it.

[Darkchylde]

Not till March 25. Darn it.

Why did I think X-Infernus was due out next week? Did Marvel push it back? And I noticed that X-Men: Manifest Destiny: Nightcrawler is still coming out on the 11th. Since Kurt feels compelled to leave the X-Men following the events of X-Infernus, dare I wonder if that one-shot reveals anything spoilerish about Illyana, Pixie, etc.? For that matter, if it does, then logic dictates it be pushed back to the same release date as X-Infernus.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I was looking forward to the final issue! Argh!!!

[NielsVanEekelen]

Wouldnt that be too Kwannon-ish?

Or Ben Reilly-ish. Double the Illyana sounds cool enough, but that plot could be very dangerous if it ever fell into the hands of a bad writer to revisit.

The soul sword didn't bond with the young Illyana. It went straight to Kitty who used it to free Excaliber from the efects of Inferno. Then it turned up at Excaliber's headquarters stuck in a rock, where only Kitty (or concievably the small Illyana) could remove it.

Right, right. Forgot all about that.

[Darkchylde]

Or Ben Reilly-ish. Double the Illyana sounds cool enough, but that plot could be very dangerous if it ever fell into the hands of a bad writer to revisit.



Right, right. Forgot all about that.

Actually, there was that brief scene in Excalibur, during "The Soulsword Trilogy," where Xavier and Moira MacTaggert are viewing footage of Illyana's last moments before succumbing to the Legacy Virus. Kitty is at her bedside, and the camera records low-level electromagnetic energy or whatever transferring from Illyana to Kitty. Of course, it's never proven, but Xavier surmises that the transfer of energy was the Soulsword bonding to Kitty following Illyana's death.

Of course, it's probably best to ignore that tiny bit of continuity since a) it does contradict previous stories about Kitty and the Soulsword (are we to assume that the sword re-bonded with Kitty after Darkoth the Demon was deposed?); and b) that entire storyline, including soulsteel (blech!), has not once been referenced in subsequent stories since.

[yanapryde]

Actually, there was that brief scene in Excalibur, during "The Soulsword Trilogy," where Xavier and Moira MacTaggert are viewing footage of Illyana's last moments before succumbing to the Legacy Virus. Kitty is at her bedside, and the camera records low-level electromagnetic energy or whatever transferring from Illyana to Kitty. Of course, it's never proven, but Xavier surmises that the transfer of energy was the Soulsword bonding to Kitty following Illyana's death.

Of course, it's probably best to ignore that tiny bit of continuity since a) it does contradict previous stories about Kitty and the Soulsword (are we to assume that the sword re-bonded with Kitty after Darkoth the Demon was deposed?); and b) that entire storyline, including soulsteel (blech!), has not once been referenced in subsequent stories since.

And lets hope it stays that way....

[everydayoccasion]

Cool thread, can't wait for the NM monthly

[sunofdarkchild]

http://magik.strength-within.net/images/scans/uxm/part2/303/005.png

What is Cyclops doing there? He wasn't with the X-Men when Belasco kidnapped Illyana.

[yanapryde]

Apparently there are FAR TOO MANY writers and artists that DON'T CARE about Illyana's history.

Boo Hiss!

Thank G_D for Chris Yost and Craig Kyle and C.B. Cebulski!!!

[sunofdarkchild]

Apparently there are FAR TOO MANY writers and artists that DON'T CARE about Illyana's history.

Boo Hiss!

Thank G_D for Chris Yost and Craig Kyle and C.B. Cebulski!!!

Yes. EVEN IN THE ISSUE OF HER DEATH the writers don't bother to get their facts straight. Jean Grey never knew Illyana at all; nor did Beast (from X-Infernus). Actually, I think that Illyana would be sore at all three of them. The last she knew they were the mutant hunters X-Factor and brought about the death of a teenage mutant she knew.

I just thought of a theory to explain why there seem to be multiple Illyanas. The first Illyana sacrificed herself to end Inferno, creating a new Illyana but dying herself in the process. Unfortunately she was still tied to Limbo and Earth and couldn't move on without Colosuss' help. So she was sort of a spirit that hung around the X-Mansion for a while, not wiling to tell anyone that the sweet, innocent child they had rescued and were trying to cure was not the original Illyana. That wasn't a problem after the second Illyana died, but then Colossus left. When he returned Illyana prime finally appeared to him, making him belive that she was the Illyana who died of the Legacy Virus, but still talking in English and referring to herself as "Magik," things the second Illyana would not know. So I say that there were two Illyanas and that both died, with the first now being resurected. What do you think?

[yanapryde]

Yes. EVEN IN THE ISSUE OF HER DEATH the writers don't bother to get their facts straight. Jean Grey never knew Illyana at all; nor did Beast (from X-Infernus). Actually, I think that Illyana would be sore at all three of them. The last she knew they were the mutant hunters X-Factor and brought about the death of a teenage mutant she knew.

I just thought of a theory to explain why there seem to be multiple Illyanas. The first Illyana sacrificed herself to end Inferno, creating a new Illyana but dying herself in the process. Unfortunately she was still tied to Limbo and Earth and couldn't move on without Colosuss' help. So she was sort of a spirit that hung around the X-Mansion for a while, not wiling to tell anyone that the sweet, innocent child they had rescued and were trying to cure was not the original Illyana. That wasn't a problem after the second Illyana died, but then Colossus left. When he returned Illyana prime finally appeared to him, making him belive that she was the Illyana who died of the Legacy Virus, but still talking in English and referring to herself as "Magik," things the second Illyana would not know. So I say that there were two Illyanas and that both died, with the first now being resurected. What do you think?

I read this twice and I am a little lost.

[sunofdarkchild]

Sorry.

Illyana 1 sacrifices herself, dies, but is stuck on the mortal plane still. And the same time, Illyana 2 is created, a seperate person. Illyana 1 needs Colossus' help to move on, but doesn't appear to him because she doesn't want him to know that Illyana 2 is not his original sister or that Illyana 1 is dead. After Illyana 2dies Illyana 1 appears to Colossus, who still thinks that Illyana 1 and 2 are the same. With Colossus' help Illyana 1 finally moves on until Belasco resurects her, with Colossus none the wiser. This took place in Uncanny X-Men 365. So there were two Illyanas, both of whom died.

[yanapryde]

Sorry.

Illyana 1 sacrifices herself, dies, but is stuck on the mortal plane still. And the same time, Illyana 2 is created, a seperate person. Illyana 1 needs Colossus' help to move on, but doesn't appear to him because she doesn't want him to know that Illyana 2 is not his original sister or that Illyana 1 is dead. After Illyana 2dies Illyana 1 appears to Colossus, who still thinks that Illyana 1 and 2 are the same. With Colossus' help Illyana 1 finally moves on until Belasco resurects her, with Colossus none the wiser. This took place in Uncanny X-Men 365. So there were two Illyanas, both of whom died.

That seems really complex.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm no longer going to give it any thought.
Yost and Kyle did, in my opinion, an outstanding job in covering their tracks and making an eloquent story for Ms.Rasputin to return to the X-Men Proper and I am forever in their debt.
Thank you boys!:smile:

[sunofdarkchild]

No room for complex theories? Does anyone else have an opinion on my idea?

[NielsVanEekelen]

Sorry, Sun--I'm too blindly convinced of my own theory.:rolleyes:

[MartinRedmond]

If Limbo is a mess of time, then it's really all the same Illyana.

[Tilt]

I remember those Soulsteel Eye issues of Excalibur were what finally drove me from the book for a while-not that it was hard back then after Rachel was gone from the series-but that whole story arc I was really annoyed. Kitty burning people with cigaretts was fun though.

I could see Dr Doom being able to wield the sword at least, possibly Darkoth too-though Lobdell should have made it clear they hadn't bonded to it or something. But after that the whole Soulsword story got totally crazy. They should have not messed with it, by the end we had Angel using one..one in Nightcrawler...Margali and Amanda using the thing. What a mess! Almost as much of a mess as Magiks Limbo time. At any rate, it's so great to see Illyana back and I can't wait to see what happens to her next!

[darkclaw]

[QUOTE=Tilt;8517064]I could see Dr Doom being able to wield the sword at least, possibly Darkoth too-though Lobdell should have made it clear they hadn't bonded to it or something. But after that the whole Soulsword story got totally crazy. They should have not messed with it, by the end we had Angel using one..one in Nightcrawler...Margali and Amanda using the thing. What a mess!Almost as much of a mess as Magiks Limbo time. QUOTE]

like all of Limbo, it can leave a stain on the unprepared.

[sunofdarkchild]

Anyone here have a YouTube account and know how to make amvs? There are a lot of songs that I think fit Illyana. I don't have the technology, know how, or songs to do it, and almost all of my comics are in storage in another building, but I'd like to see said amvs.

Songs I'm thinking of:
Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Welcome to My Life, Animal I have Become, Crawling in My Skin, Papercut, Crawling in the Dark, Tomorrow, and My Immortal.

If anyone could make an amv out of any of these for Illyana I'd be very grateful. Thanks.

[SayOcean]

Anyone here have a YouTube account and know how to make amvs? There are a lot of songs that I think fit Illyana. I don't have the technology, know how, or songs to do it, and almost all of my comics are in storage in another building, but I'd like to see said amvs.

Songs I'm thinking of:
Boulevard of Broken Dreams, Welcome to My Life, Animal I have Become, Crawling in My Skin, Papercut, Crawling in the Dark, Tomorrow, and My Immortal.

If anyone could make an amv out of any of these for Illyana I'd be very grateful. Thanks.i dont illyana would like such mainstream music

[The Black Guardian]

i dont illyana would like such mainstream music
Illyana is totally a fan of Russian folk metal acts, like Arkona (http://www.myspace.com/arkonarussia) and Alkonost (http://www.alkonost.ru/).

And the lead singer of Arkona is a dead ringer for Yana.

[darkclaw]

THE NEW MUTANTS ARE COMING May 2009:

Has anyone heard of a finalized roster for the team?

[RickyD410]

Has anyone heard of a finalized roster for the team?

I thought it was Mirage, Magma, Karma, Sunspot, Cannonball, and Magik. But I could be wrong... I do know that Wolfsbane is not going to be in it.

[darkclaw]

I thought it was Mirage, Magma, Karma, Sunspot, Cannonball, and Magik. But I could be wrong... I do know that Wolfsbane is not going to be in it.

I really don't know if things have altered from what I knew of these charectars, but, with Illyana's not being up to date (as discussed before), I think she'll be a little floored at how some will act and re-act to her, like (in my mind), Dani being perhaps less judgemental after her own time with the MLF (whether there by the government or not) or how Magma will react the first time Illyana refers to her as 'Amara' (as I recall, that was not her true name but an identity given her by Selene).

Any thoughts or comments?

[The Black Guardian]

I really don't know if things have altered from what I knew of these charectars, but, with Illyana's not being up to date (as discussed before), I think she'll be a little floored at how some will act and re-act to her, like (in my mind), Dani being perhaps less judgemental after her own time with the MLF (whether there by the government or not) or how Magma will react the first time Illyana refers to her as 'Amara' (as I recall, that was not her true name but an identity given her by Selene).

Any thoughts or comments?
Amara is her true name. The retcon was retconned. Anyone who calls her Alison Crestmere will get flambéd.

[darkclaw]

I was on mIRC last night chatting with a few friends about the return of the NM, and one piped up and said he didn't understand the big deal about Magik's return because, in his words, "she's just Marvel's answer to the Teen Titan's Raven."

Other then the fact that they were young mystics from bad circumstances, I don't see much of a connection. Anyone else want to comment?

[MartinRedmond]

I was on mIRC last night chatting with a few friends about the return of the NM, and one piped up and said he didn't understand the big deal about Magik's return because, in his words, "she's just Marvel's answer to the Teen Titan's Raven."

Other then the fact that they were young mystics from bad circumstances, I don't see much of a connection. Anyone else want to comment?

Both personalities are completely different. Even the sarcastagoth Raven from the cartoon isn't a little Ms Initiative like Illyana. :confused:

I wonder if the new NM book will still have her doing whatever the hell she wants, not because she's prisssy but because she's too independent of course since she's used on relying on her own, and not listening to orders? :> Hopefully, Zeb Wells will concentrate on giving the mutants distinctive personalities instead of relying on shock value like his HfH run which kind of put me off comics. :/

Anyone who calls her Alison Crestmere will get a flambé.
YUM!:smile:

[yanapryde]

I was on mIRC last night chatting with a few friends about the return of the NM, and one piped up and said he didn't understand the big deal about Magik's return because, in his words, "she's just Marvel's answer to the Teen Titan's Raven."

Other then the fact that they were young mystics from bad circumstances, I don't see much of a connection. Anyone else want to comment?

Whoever this guy is, he's weak sauce.
Magik is not Marvel's answer to the Teen Titan's Raven.
Magik is Marvel's answer to our prayers.

The New Mutants are better than the Teen Titans, like all Marvel titles are.
Marvel is easily more accessible to readers and relatable.

And Magik ? Magik is the bee's knees.

[MuhollandDriver]

Magik is a four leaf clover with spikes.

Rawr.

[SayOcean]

Whoever this guy is, he's weak sauce.
Magik is not Marvel's answer to the Teen Titan's Raven.
Magik is Marvel's answer to our prayers.

The New Mutants are better than the Teen Titans, like all Marvel titles are.
Marvel is easily more accessible to readers and relatable.

And Magik ? Magik is the bee's knees.i love you

[yanapryde]

i love you

I love you too.
Well...I don't actually know you. At all. But I enjoy your posts.
So thanks SayOcean.

Illyana is wicked bad ass and I hope she gets a Marvel Legends Action Figure made so that I can buy 10 of them. Then, I would go to a convention and give them away to fans who love her just as much as I do.

Spread the LOOOOOOOVE!

[MuhollandDriver]

She will.

i love You all too, but i haven't met You.

Bjork wrote a song about something similar.

[everydayoccasion]

I think I miss Kitty as much as Yana does......just saying

[sunofdarkchild]

No one is like Illyana. She's unique in backstory, personality, problems, and powers (even with sorcerers being a dime a dozen in the Marvel Universe),
but if Magik is Marvel's answer to anyone DC, it's Tim Drake/ Robin 3, leader of the Titans and super independent minded. So many tragic kids in comics it's hard to keep track.

[Peter F.]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/Seikun21/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

From here (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961292p1.html)

[lockerogue]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/Seikun21/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

From here (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961292p1.html)

This is hot. Karma is looking fierce. Is that Doug?

[4sake]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/Seikun21/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

From here (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961292p1.html)

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS TOOOO KOOL :biggrin:

[Peter F.]

This is hot. Karma is looking fierce. Is that Doug?

Indeed she is, this is excellent. I think it is Doug, though I wonder if the fact that he looks cracked means anything.

[Prodigy55]

Oh god Dani :(
Look at that unibrow!

[The Black Guardian]

Oh god Dani :(
Look at that unibrow!
Yeah. WTF is up with that? The only screwup in the entire picture.

Poor Dani.

[SayOcean]

Yeah. WTF is up with that? The only screwup in the entire picture.

Poor Dani.its look like her she is scowling not a unibrow

[Prodigy55]

Also, I wish Cannonball was more in focus, you can barely see his face.

But I really love the picture, I like how their costumes are kind of evolved versions of their NM costumes.

[NielsVanEekelen]

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii49/Seikun21/new-mutants-vol-3-20090310061643953.jpg

From here (http://comics.ign.com/articles/961/961292p1.html)

DUDE! Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude!

Yanapryde, looks like you were pretty accurate on the costume. Only the big X is a little different.

Clearly a wraparound cover, and it looks like Warlock and Doug (and Legion) are on the back--perhaps because they're not actually on the team, at least not from the beginning?

Not crazy about Warlock's depiction here, but for the most part I love the cover. Illyana front and center, let's hope that's a good estimation of her role in the series. :wink:

[Twisted Bliss]

DUDE! Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude!

Yanapryde, looks like you were pretty accurate on the costume. Only the big X is a little different.

Clearly a wraparound cover, and it looks like Warlock and Doug (and Legion) are on the back--perhaps because they're not actually on the team, at least not from the beginning?

Not crazy about Warlock's depiction here, but for the most part I love the cover. Illyana front and center, let's hope that's a good estimation of her role in the series. :wink:

I'm loving the look.

Very X-Factor (Originals) which I quite liked.

I'll agree with the earlier comment "Why does Doug looked cracked?"

Finally Illyana and Doug can have that romance she so long deserved. So what if Doug is a little cracked. Illyana has her own issues (see demonic taint)

This cover has got me really excited for this series. Some superb art. My favourite characters back. Its like someone at marvel finally woke up from the late 80's early 90's nightmare that began with Doug's death.

I am trying not to have too high expectations for fear of being disappointed (lets be honest with the all false alarms and fake out over Illyana's return over the years it pays to be cautious) but now this cover has got hold of me firmly and won't let go.

I'm trying not to bounce up and down like an over excited kid at a sweet shop.

[NielsVanEekelen]

I'll agree with the earlier comment "Why does Doug looked cracked?"

I'm trying not to bounce up and down like an over excited kid at a sweet shop.

I was thinking about that--Warlock and Doug are behind Legion on the cover, Doug looks cracked and Warlock looks like he's suffering from minor explosions, they both look crazy angry... is Legion bringing them back to life/from space and controlling them? Maybe. Am I reading too much in to this? Probably.


Why hold back? Bouncing is fun! :biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

That is Doug, but I don't believe he was ever on the roster or has come back yet himself, and honestly, his powers are useless in a fight and he dhould never have gone on any missions in the first place. Warlock looks more like Magus than ever. Sam seems to be wearing his costume from Inferno. Dani looks stoned, but she is knocking an arrow; again, maybe she shoots Illyana. Legion looks very evil.

Despite it being said that Karma will be the focus of the first issue, Illyana is given prominence over everyone else and looks very powerful and threatening, and she's back to having armor on her left arm.

Question: Everyone seems to be in the middle of a battle, except for Karma and Magma; they're just standing there like it's any other day.

[Tilt]

I'm loving the look.

Very X-Factor (Originals) which I quite liked.

I'll agree with the earlier comment "Why does Doug looked cracked?"

Finally Illyana and Doug can have that romance she so long deserved. So what if Doug is a little cracked. Illyana has her own issues (see demonic taint)

This cover has got me really excited for this series. Some superb art. My favourite characters back. Its like someone at marvel finally woke up from the late 80's early 90's nightmare that began with Doug's death.

I am trying not to have too high expectations for fear of being disappointed (lets be honest with the all false alarms and fake out over Illyana's return over the years it pays to be cautious) but now this cover has got hold of me firmly and won't let go.

I'm trying not to bounce up and down like an over excited kid at a sweet shop.

totally agree with you, first Illyana now possibly Doug!!! I'm sold on this book now if I wasn't already before.

[sunofdarkchild]

If that's a wraparound cover it could explain the presense of Doug and Warlock, that they're not their at all and their images have something to do with Legion. Also Legion, Warlock, and Doug are all floating in the air, Warlock is on steroids, and Doug's body looks like it is cracking apart.

At the same time if it's a wraparound then Illyana's body and face are split down the center, putting her with the real team and with Legion's group. She dominates both groups. Any thoughts on what that signifies?

[darkclaw]

I'm loving the look.

Very X-Factor (Originals) which I quite liked.

I'll agree with the earlier comment "Why does Doug looked cracked?"

Finally Illyana and Doug can have that romance she so long deserved. So what if Doug is a little cracked. Illyana has her own issues (see demonic taint)

This cover has got me really excited for this series. Some superb art. My favourite characters back. Its like someone at marvel finally woke up from the late 80's early 90's nightmare that began with Doug's death.

I am trying not to have too high expectations for fear of being disappointed (lets be honest with the all false alarms and fake out over Illyana's return over the years it pays to be cautious) but now this cover has got hold of me firmly and won't let go.

I'm trying not to bounce up and down like an over excited kid at a sweet shop.

Illyana and DOUG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you SERIOUS? Doug is not now (nor has he ever been) in Illyana's league. Doug would be better off mooning over Kitty or Rahne, like he did in the old days (not that I think he has much of a shot with them, either, now that they've matured).

[sunofdarkchild]

Illyana and DOUG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you SERIOUS? Doug is not now (nor has he ever been) in Illyana's league. Doug would be better off mooning over Kitty or Rahne, like he did in the old days (not that I think he has much of a shot with them, either, now that they've matured).

I don't want to see Illyana with Doug or Roberto, even though there was some tension between the latter and Magik. Being alone is part of who Illyana is.

[darkclaw]

That is Doug, but I don't believe he was ever on the roster or has come back yet himself, and honestly, his powers are useless in a fight and he dhould never have gone on any missions in the first place. Warlock looks more like Magus than ever. Sam seems to be wearing his costume from Inferno. Dani looks stoned, but she is knocking an arrow; again, maybe she shoots Illyana. Legion looks very evil.

Despite it being said that Karma will be the focus of the first issue, Illyana is given prominence over everyone else and looks very powerful and threatening, and she's back to having armor on her left arm.

Question: Everyone seems to be in the middle of a battle, except for Karma and Magma; they're just standing there like it's any other day.

Ummmm....I believe Sam's uniform from Inferno was that light purple flight suit with the chrome heelmet. What he's wearing on the cover isn't even close.

Point #2: agreed, we need to decide here, ladies, is this a fight or a runway fashion shoot (the way Amara and X'ian are standing makes me think they were drawn while someone was watching one.)

[darkclaw]

Actually, the way X'ian is standing makes me think she has a little Captain in her (to quote the commercial).

[yanapryde]

Illyana and DOUG?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Are you SERIOUS? Doug is not now (nor has he ever been) in Illyana's league. Doug would be better off mooning over Kitty or Rahne, like he did in the old days (not that I think he has much of a shot with them, either, now that they've matured).

I always thought it would have been an interesting pairing.
Since Doug's and Illyana's personalities differ so. And I always found her to be protective of him, whether mockingly or not. Still...I would encourage this.

YANAPRYDE'S WORD IS LAW!.....or something ha ha:biggrin:

[sunofdarkchild]

Ummmm....I believe Sam's uniform from Inferno was that light purple flight suit with the chrome heelmet. What he's wearing on the cover isn't even close.

Point #2: agreed, we need to decide here, ladies, is this a fight or a runway fashion shoot (the way Amara and X'ian are standing makes me think they were drawn while someone was watching one.)

The purple suite with the helmet was Sam's graduation costume. At Inferno the New Mutants all wore the costumes they put together in he attic after the Fall of the Mutants arc.

Oh Captain, my Captain...

[Peter F.]

Actually the Illyana/Doug thing has made me wonder, since those two are gettin resurrected won't they still be teenagers and younger than their 20-something year old team mates?

Thus Illyana/Roberto would be illegal.

[The Black Guardian]

Actually the Illyana/Doug thing has made me wonder, since those two are gettin resurrected won't they still be teenagers and younger than their 20-something year old team mates?

Thus Illyana/Roberto would be illegal.
Yana certainly appears to be grown up.

[sunofdarkchild]

Actually the Illyana/Doug thing has made me wonder, since those two are gettin resurrected won't they still be teenagers and younger than their 20-something year old team mates?

Thus Illyana/Roberto would be illegal.

Illyana could probably make herself any age she wanted to be, so problem solved.

I don't think that Doug is actually being resurrected. I haven't heard anything about that.

And even if he is, he should not get together with Illyana. Illyana should be ALONE!!!

[sunofdarkchild]

Actually, Marvel's done those icky relationships before: the early Colossus/Kitty relationship. Scary, Claremont can be.

[yanapryde]

Illyana could probably make herself any age she wanted to be, so problem solved.

I don't think that Doug is actually being resurrected. I haven't heard anything about that.

And even if he is, he should not get together with Illyana. Illyana should be ALONE!!!

Huh? Why would she be able to make herself any age? And for that matter, why would she want to?

I don't like all this "Illyana should be alone" talk. We should want good things for her. Good things.

[sunofdarkchild]

Double Post

[sunofdarkchild]

Sorcery, yanapryde, sorcery. But there is no reason Illyana would want to.

I want Illyana to be alive, prominent, powerful, well written, and in character. "Good things" is just so boring and has never, ever, applied to Illyana.

[The Black Guardian]

I'm ambivalent about her being with anyone. On one hand, I don't want her romantically tied to anyone right off the bat. I think she needs some time to get her bearings and stand on her own. On the other, deep relationships are necessary for characters, and this is something that's been missing a lot lately for a lot of characters. She definitely shouldn't be forever alone.

I'm also conflicted about hooking her up with Doug. I'd kind of prefer someone who's not another odd-person-out.

[yanapryde]

Sorcery, yanapryde, sorcery. But there is no reason Illyana would want to.

I want Illyana to be alive, prominent, powerful, well written, and in character. "Good things" is just so boring and has never, ever, applied to Illyana.

I'm not so sure about this aging thing.

I mean, when the Enchantress attempted to age her (to the oldest of crones, I believe was her choice of words) she was unable to. She was capable of making her younger, even a baby but no older than her current age. I always wished that issue would have been touched upon in a future story but it, like her connection to Kitty, was never revealed. Maybe we'll get some answers now that she's back.
Here's hoping.

[Prodigy55]

I like Illyana and Doug, they're a cute couple.