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esc0

01-26-2009, 11:06 PM

From my little understanding as casual reader, doesn't Joker consider himself the anti-Batman in a way? What's going to happen now that Batman is dead/gone? Will this change the Joker at all?

Jake V

01-26-2009, 11:13 PM

HaroldAllnut

01-26-2009, 11:20 PM

Then he'll go back to normal when Bruce comes back.

Speaking of which, I wonder if there will be an editorial mandate regarding "which" Joker is now the Joker?

Will other writers be allowed to use the Joker that Morrison created for "Batman R.I.P.?"

Will they want to? It's a pretty writer-specific characterization, if you ask me.

Jake V

01-26-2009, 11:22 PM

Speaking of which, I wonder if there will be an editorial mandate regarding "which" Joker is now the Joker?

Will other writers be allowed to use the Joker that Morrison created for "Batman R.I.P.?"

Will they want to? It's a pretty writer-specific characterization, if you ask me.

Like Morrison said, The Joker could have a different personality each time he wakes up, so varying characterizations should be expected.

carabas

01-27-2009, 01:18 AM

Like Morrison said, The Joker could have a different personality each time he wakes up, so varying characterizations should be expected.Not each time he wakes up. He just changes every few years.

hunter_peterson

01-27-2009, 06:06 AM

Choppa

01-27-2009, 06:44 AM

He should go comatose like in DKR and only come back when Bruce does. We need a rest from him.

lepeos

01-27-2009, 06:55 AM

Maybe in the absence of the real Batman he'll go back to being a DC Universe-wide menace. Prepare for 'Joker Crisis in Infinite Time' in 2010

Abraxas

01-27-2009, 12:14 PM

I'd personally like to see a return of a comedic Joker. Instead of a bleak, dark Joker. Give me a Joker in the genre of the 60's TV show or first Burton Batman movie.

celticguy

01-27-2009, 12:21 PM

they could go two ways use him to annoint Dick as a worthy Batman or use him to illustrate that Dick is not Bruce.

Mia

01-27-2009, 12:22 PM

From my little understanding as casual reader, doesn't Joker consider himself the anti-Batman in a way? What's going to happen now that Batman is dead/gone? Will this change the Joker at all?

I don't think so. The Joker to me has always been about making trouble and laughing at people's misery. Whether or not Batman is around he will continue to do so.

HaroldAllnut

01-27-2009, 12:51 PM

Like Morrison said, The Joker could have a different personality each time he wakes up, so varying characterizations should be expected.

I mean, I think Morrison writes a scary Joker, but I can't see other writers simply aping his version. Personally, I enjoyed Paul Dini's version in "Heart of Hush." That was probably the best part of that story-arc.

NickGuy

01-27-2009, 02:20 PM

hopefully he'll kill himself and never appear in another comic book ever.

Alan2099

01-27-2009, 02:53 PM

I'd personally like to see a return of a comedic Joker. Instead of a bleak, dark Joker. Give me a Joker in the genre of the 60's TV show or first Burton Batman movie.

Same here.

The Scarlet Sapien

01-27-2009, 05:11 PM

Like Morrison said, The Joker could have a different personality each time he wakes up, so varying characterizations should be expected.
How convenient! I wonder how long before that rule applies to all Dc characters.

Seraku

01-27-2009, 05:13 PM

Not each time he wakes up. He just changes every few years.
was speaking generally
I don't think so. The Joker to me has always been about making trouble and laughing at people's misery. Whether or not Batman is around he will continue to do so.
gotta agree with this.
hopefully he'll kill himself and never appear in another comic book ever.

:mad:

Captain Jim

01-27-2009, 05:57 PM

IGN Comics: Over the past couple we've seen a variety of different incarnations of the Joker. Will the Bat-Universe find itself a one, true representation of the Joker in the future?

DiDio: What you're seeing right now is that there's a very particular version that Grant is using in RIP. There's also the more traditional version you're seeing in other products. The good part of this is that once we conclude Final Crisis, once we conclude Battle for the Cowl, we will have a unified vision of the Joker and how he acts and behaves in the DC Universe. That will be the one we push forward with in future stories, in anything he appears in.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/931/931384p1.html

Damiean Dark

01-28-2009, 12:49 AM

Despite the bats vast rogues gallery in reality not many of them are really that interesting, at least they have never been written that well after joker and twoface there are very few who can carry a whole story imo.

Joker has been overexposed of late, you cant blame DC with the Nolan franchise joker getting such acclaim, but stories like Hush where missing the vital ingrediant of a good villain.

Whats that story about the guy who was an assassin who could create fires? it was the worst batman story i have ever read.

Raptor

01-28-2009, 01:15 AM

He'll react to whoever the new Batman is, call him an impostor, and get beaten.

Then he'll go back to normal when Bruce comes back.

Exactly right I figure.

BeastieRunner

01-28-2009, 09:34 AM

Personally, whoever takes up Bruce's place should fight the Joker once and lose. That way Joker can say they're not the real deal, go crazy, and disappear until Bruce is back. Then you can have one big huge event like "Return of the Joker" or something shortly after Bruce comes back.

Let's give the new Batman some new villains/under used ones that way when Bruce comes back, the gallery will seem fresh again.

That's what I'd like to see.

JumpingJupiter

01-28-2009, 04:03 PM

I think Joker's essence is that he's a manipulative liar.

pressdarlings

01-28-2009, 04:13 PM

NickGuy

01-29-2009, 12:21 PM

How convenient! I wonder how long before that rule applies to all Dc characters.

well, they ARE just fictional characters. writers should be able to write them however they want to.

Brannon

01-29-2009, 02:00 PM

well, they ARE just fictional characters. writers should be able to write them however they want to.

I can't agree when we're talking about characters not owned and not created by the creators working on them. If the company, in this case DC, allows the creator to do this that's one thing, but on an artistic/fan level I can't agree with this.

In a shared universe, there can only be ONE version of the character, unless we throw that out the window or say that one run takes place in a separate reality, another in another, etc, etc.

For the most part I enjoyed Grant's run (to my surprise) but I see no reason why he couldn't have written the Joker more traditionally and told the exact same story. In retrospect a story like RIP would have worked much better in its on reality ala Dark Night Returns.

Mat001

01-29-2009, 07:23 PM

This already happened during Knightfall.

"Knightquest: The Crusade", actually. The Joker was seen falling to his death after being hit by Daiman. My guess is that he'll go dormant for a while and return when Bruce does. The Joker believes himself to be very important in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to Batman. See "Going Sane" and "The Dark Knight Returns" for what happens to the Joker when Batman is out of the picture.

Arksy

01-31-2009, 05:12 PM

How convenient! I wonder how long before that rule applies to all Dc characters.

This gave me a good laugh for about 5 minutes. :D

nepenthes

01-31-2009, 08:08 PM

I'd personally like to see a return of a comedic Joker. Instead of a bleak, dark Joker. Give me a Joker in the genre of the 60's TV show or first Burton Batman movie.

why don't just pick up anyone of the countless joker stories that happened before the new dark joker appeared? like what two years ago.

:rolleyes:

Jim Thompson

01-31-2009, 08:49 PM

From my little understanding as casual reader, doesn't Joker consider himself the anti-Batman in a way? What's going to happen now that Batman is dead/gone? Will this change the Joker at all?The Joker, I think, is chaos personified, so while he'll still perhaps concentrate on whoever winds up wearing the cape and cowl, I don't see as he needs to become something new. He's still one of the true forces of evil in the DCU, and that can always be used to good effect.

BeastieRunner

01-31-2009, 10:37 PM

This already happened during Knightfall.

I know ... maybe it'll be better this time.

Alan2099

02-01-2009, 05:53 AM

why don't just pick up anyone of the countless joker stories that happened before the new dark joker appeared? like what two years ago.

:rolleyes:

Do you have an issue of a comic you like? Well, why not just keep reading that one over and over again without every bothering to get anything new?

"If you don't like it read the back issues," strikes me as a stupid argument everytime I hear it. Good or bad, those stories are done and overwith. For the most part everyone knows how they end up, even if they don't know the details. I can pick up an old issue with Two-Face fighting Batman from decades ago and I already know that nothing happens to the characters that's going to change them forever or anything because they aren't that way now.

DC906270-BIL

02-02-2009, 12:51 PM

joker is meh most of the time. He has only just been approaching any kind of level of decency in Batman Cacophony., lately.

YoungG03

02-02-2009, 01:54 PM

Despite the bats vast rogues gallery in reality not many of them are really that interesting, at least they have never been written that well after joker and twoface there are very few who can carry a whole story imo.

2face is cool but i think Penguin is one of the best villains in the game period. Killer Croc can be cool run off somebody. Tali is interesting. Ra kinda bores me.scareCrow, Zssz and alot others are cool.

But do NW and Robin got villains? That are cool?

nepenthes

02-02-2009, 02:27 PM

Do you have an issue of a comic you like? Well, why not just keep reading that one over and over again without every bothering to get anything new?

"If you don't like it read the back issues," strikes me as a stupid argument everytime I hear it. Good or bad, those stories are done and overwith. For the most part everyone knows how they end up, even if they don't know the details. I can pick up an old issue with Two-Face fighting Batman from decades ago and I already know that nothing happens to the characters that's going to change them forever or anything because they aren't that way now.

You just used five sentences to tell me that back issues never change. Really? I already knew this. I am not five.

My point was why rail against new elements that actually change up the books and keep them moving. Because you know, we do like these comics to change once in a while, right? If you don't like it for the moment then feel assured you can go back to the old stuff, or wait for the status-quo to revert.....or go read Batman Cacaphony.

ChaZ X

02-04-2009, 10:19 PM

Well how bout this...after the "Battle for the Cowl" let's saaaay about 6 months. They could have something similar. Except while the first has established characters competing for the Bat-mantle, you could have various no name crooks Trying to take the Joker name for themselves. Say "Mistah J" Hasn't been seen for a while and some mook gets it in his head "Hey I could act crazy and wear some face paint and purple suit. It can't be that hard. And I get instant Steet Cred."

So one guy does it and then some one sees him on tv and goes Wait Ain't that Frank?" Or "I worked for the joker for years and that ain't him." So the idea gets around and a bunch of guys start appearing as various versions of the Joker we've seen before or new ideas, whatever. So of course they're causing all sorts of chaos and probably fighting each other in the streets and the Bat Crew swings in and starts taking care of them... While The real joker watching from his couch in some safe house he's got, loving that this is all going down in his name, knowing that none of those losers can even come close to his glory...until one of them starts to. He separating himself from the pack, proving himself the equal, and in the eyes of some gothamites even scarier than, the Original Joker. For the sake of the WB maybe this Joker is more like the Azzarello/Dark Knight Joker, but he doesn't have to be. ANd then The Original gets pissed and starts trying to claw his way back into fighting shape to take on this pretender and we get...

"Battle of The Joker All Stars!" or "He who laughs last, Lives!"

DC if you read this and like it I can accept messages here. And Writers if you steal the idea, just gimme a small credit and comp copies of the books it appears in ;)

doctrinedee

02-11-2009, 12:27 PM

DC's writers need to stop trying to cram every well known Batman villain into each major plot arc. The Joker is a great antagonist, he's just used way too much lately.

He's not a deep or rich character, but simply a threat to everything Batman stands for, and as such each time he appears he's that little bit less effective.

PatchMadripoor

02-11-2009, 02:35 PM

The Joker should continue being a terrorist, but feel like he lacks meaning. He can then become severely depressed, followed by having an epiphany and realise that Batman's legacy continues... but what about his?

The problem with that is that he has yet to find anyone who will get the joke.

That one kid who plans on wearing his skin, back (I think his name is Kid Karnevil) may step up in the future, but at the moment nobody can carry the Joker's legacy.

jjdknight89

02-14-2009, 04:54 PM

Do you have an issue of a comic you like? Well, why not just keep reading that one over and over again without every bothering to get anything new?

"If you don't like it read the back issues," strikes me as a stupid argument everytime I hear it. Good or bad, those stories are done and overwith. For the most part everyone knows how they end up, even if they don't know the details. I can pick up an old issue with Two-Face fighting Batman from decades ago and I already know that nothing happens to the characters that's going to change them forever or anything because they aren't that way now.

Are you kidding me? Your telling me the story isn't worth reading if you know no major changes occur. Every story has been told, just in a different way. We see Bucky return as a villian, Captain America assassinated and then Bucky as Captain, and across in the DC universe we see the return of Jason Todd gone arwy, the "death" or Bruce Wayne, and the fight for a new batman. We know the outcome but its the roots. Back issues just go to build character and overtime they are bound to change just like normal people. You lose those back issues you lose so much foundation.

theNighteye

02-17-2009, 07:47 PM