CBR: DC Comics Lays Off Editor Bob Schreck [Archive]

NeoStar9X

01-23-2009, 12:50 PM

Sorry, DC/Warner laid off the wrong guy.

Maybe not. Wasn't DC's All Star line constantly late with All Star Batman coming out what two or three issues a year? All Star Wonder Woman nowhere in sight?

I say firing a guy that seems to have no control over the area he's responsible for isn't wrong. It should have happen a LONG time ago. In fact I'm sure there are several other editors that should be fire and replaced with people that will make sure their writers follow deadlines and get their work in on time regularly.

titanfan

01-23-2009, 01:13 PM

I have no idea of the internal workings of DC, but based as a fan, it does seem like there are a lot of editors out there who are doing a lot worse jobs on higher profile titles.

HaroldAllnut

01-23-2009, 01:25 PM

All I've got to say is that Christine Sawicki, DC's Subscriptions Editor, also got the axe. I don't mean to gloat over someone losing their job, because that's almost always terrible; however, as a former subscriber, both DC and Marvel could do a lot better in that department. A LOT BETTER.

NeoStar9X

01-23-2009, 01:29 PM

True it's horrible when someone loses their job. Especially in today's economy however it's not like they were doing their jobs well anyway judging by the messiness of the All Star line and the negative tales I've heard about DC's subscription service.

Phil Hester

01-23-2009, 01:35 PM

It's bad news for Bob, but nothing he can't lick. He's a titan of comics and it will take more than a layoff to slow him down. Go, Bob!

Michael P

01-23-2009, 01:37 PM

It's bad news for Bob, but nothing he can't lick. He's a titan of comics and it will take more than a layoff to slow him down. Go, Bob!

It'll be interesting to see where he lands (i.e., at Marvel or at one of the second-tier publishers).

Stressfactor

01-23-2009, 01:45 PM

All Star Wonder Woman nowhere in sight?
This one is no one's fault -- Adam Hughes badly injured his hand -- requiring months of recovery time. Last I had heard a few months ago, Hughes had only just been approved for limited drawing work by his doctor. By now he's probably able to be back at full strength but his "Women of the DC Universe" poster was the first published work he's been able to do since the original injury.

Yes, he's slow -- even he admits that -- but there wasn't a darn thing Schreck could do when the guy goes and falls and screws up his hand.

GRANT!

01-23-2009, 01:48 PM

Time Warner had a bad year despite making a billion with Dark Knight Warner Bros. laid off 800 people this week.

NeoStar9X

01-23-2009, 01:58 PM

This one is no one's fault -- Adam Hughes badly injured his hand -- requiring months of recovery time. Last I had heard a few months ago, Hughes had only just been approved for limited drawing work by his doctor. By now he's probably able to be back at full strength but his "Women of the DC Universe" poster was the first published work he's been able to do since the original injury.

Yes, he's slow -- even he admits that -- but there wasn't a darn thing Schreck could do when the guy goes and falls and screws up his hand.

Sure there was. Hire someone else to do the book. It's not that complicated. If the original person is not able to complete a job they were contracted to do for reasons not related to it then get someone else to do it. He hadn't started work on the project so there isn't a conflict. I'd be more forgiving if he hurt his hand while doing the book and had to wait for it to heal to finish but that isn't the case here now is it? If they were smart then there should easily be something in the contract that gets them out of it if a situation like this arises.

Or was he the only artist whole world that had any interest at all in drawing a Wonder Woman book making it so that DC needed to wait for him?

Stressfactor

01-23-2009, 02:06 PM

Sure there was. Hire someone else to do the book. It's not that complicated. If the original person is not able to complete a job they were contracted to do for reasons not related to it then get someone else to do it. He hadn't started work on the project so there isn't a conflict. I'd be more forgiving if he hurt his hand while doing the book and had to wait for it to heal to finish but that isn't the case here now is it? If they were smart then there should easily be something in the contract that gets them out of it if a situation like this arises.

Or was he the only artist whole world that had any interest at all in drawing a Wonder Woman book making it so that DC needed to wait for him?
No, but you're missing what DC's intention was for the All-Star line. They wanted to get "superstar" creators to do a kind of a seminal origin story or a story that really looks at what MAKES a certain character. Now, granted, Miller's take has taken some flack but Morrison's version has lived up the the All-Star goal.

Hughes pitched the idea and his pitch won. DC wasn't just going to grab a second string writer or a second string artist to "fill-in". Now, potentially, they could have gotten Gail Simone and Ethan Van Sciver since Simone has indicated she's wanted to do a special WW story and she wanted to work with Van Sciver but, aside from them I don't think there are that many writer-artist teams that would fit the bill.

Still, sorry to hear that Schreck will be going -- he did seem to be a very public face at DC as well as a guiding hand.

the goddamn batman

01-23-2009, 02:37 PM

Maybe not. Wasn't DC's All Star line constantly late with All Star Batman coming out what two or three issues a year? All Star Wonder Woman nowhere in sight?

I say firing a guy that seems to have no control over the area he's responsible for isn't wrong. It should have happen a LONG time ago. In fact I'm sure there are several other editors that should be fire and replaced with people that will make sure their writers follow deadlines and get their work in on time regularly.

You don't hire Frank Miller or Jim Lee and expect deadlines to be met. Bob worked with Miller for years on end. He and everyone at DC... the whole world really, knew that ASBAR was never going to come out on time.

It also sold through the roof when it did come out, so obviously Bob was doing his job just fine.

You're just saying out a bunch of nonsense without any understanding of an industry you don't work in.

Shame for Bob to lose his job, though. I'm sure he'll be working somewhere else very shortly.

FanboyStranger

01-23-2009, 02:42 PM

I'm very surprised about this. Schreck's got the connections with the big names in the industry, and when all the speculation concerning Didio getting the axe was swirling, I assumed that Schreck would end up getting Didio's job.

I wonder what this means for Madame Xanadu, one of my favorite current monthly books which also happens to be written by Schreck's good buddy Matt Wagner. (Sales have been sluggish, but they do have Michael Wm. Kaluta coming on to illustrate an arc and I suspect trade sales will be strong with Wagner's involvement.)

titanfan

01-23-2009, 02:50 PM

Time Warner had a bad year despite making a billion with Dark Knight Warner Bros. laid off 800 people this week.

Still kind of weird to lay off one editor though. From what I understand most editors don't make enough to begin with....can't see them affecting the bottom line all that much...

grphxkindaguy

01-23-2009, 03:18 PM

SUPERECWFAN1

01-23-2009, 04:04 PM

Shreck did his job and sold books. And now DC's lost that. You fire the joker who is tanking your Titans Franchise. Not the guy who has delivered 100,000+ sales for late books.

I'm sorry ...this firing isn't at all based on performance and Didio should have put Shreck on other books and let him work. Damn travesty.

DocSpin

01-23-2009, 04:25 PM

Good riddance to BS. The Batman line was just FINE before he came along and f'ed it up!!! Its been mostly unreadable since then...

Don't even get me started on the cluster-F that is the All-Star Line...

OK, we'll let your hater rant die the fast death it should. Bob is and has always been one of the superstars of the publishing industry and one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Always approachable, always friendly to total strangers, and cutting edge editorial work spearheading story lines that no other companies would publish. Bob, you will be missed, but I can't wait to follow you wherever you go -- I'll be there enjoying the ride!

pariah-1972

01-23-2009, 05:27 PM

I really can't help but think this has to do with all the delay's and other screw ups on All Star BATS i know some of you are probably going to argue with this since he seems to be a fan fav.

I really really think they need to replace Didio if they are concerned about how well DC is doing at all.

Michael P

01-23-2009, 05:43 PM

NeoStar9X

01-23-2009, 05:55 PM

You don't hire Frank Miller or Jim Lee and expect deadlines to be met. Bob worked with Miller for years on end. He and everyone at DC... the whole world really, knew that ASBAR was never going to come out on time.

It also sold through the roof when it did come out, so obviously Bob was doing his job just fine.

You're just saying out a bunch of nonsense without any understanding of an industry you don't work in.

Shame for Bob to lose his job, though. I'm sure he'll be working somewhere else very shortly.

If that is what goes on then it's no wonder DC is in the state it's in compared to Marvel and the industry is the way it is now. That is not how you properly run a business or a department. If you are going to allow these people to be that slow and not come out on time then you hold back on releasing the product until it's actually complete. Seriously the crap that goes on in the comic industry would never be accept in any other industry.

SUPERECWFAN1

01-23-2009, 06:08 PM

If that is what goes on then it's no wonder DC is in the state it's in compared to Marvel and the industry is the way it is now. That is not how you properly run a business or a department. If you are going to allow these people to be that slow and not come out on time then you hold back on releasing the product until it's actually complete. Seriously the crap that goes on in the comic industry would never be accept in any other industry.

Yeah they should be like Marvel. I mean Marvel would never release a product that wasn't done. Like Spiderman/Blackcat.....uhhh no I mean Daredevil : the Target....uhh The Ultimates ......Astonishing X-Men....ohh screw it.:tongue:

Alexrules

01-23-2009, 06:12 PM

That is terrible. I've heard of Bob Schreck as this big guy in the industry that makes careers.

NeoStar9X

01-23-2009, 06:13 PM

SUPERECWFAN1

01-23-2009, 06:22 PM

I'm not saying Marvel is any better however they are clearly doing something right and different then DC. With DC being second and becoming a distant second at that (for a while now) to them they should be doing their best to get things out in a timely fashion with good quality all the time. They aren't in a position to have titles constantly late or just letting writers/artist get work done whenever they feel like it. It's horrible when Marvel does it but they are #1 now and at the very least are in a position to actually do it without to much of a backlash.

Ha ...not much backlash ? Marvel's late books get just as much backlash as DC does. Being honest ...DC has always been 2nd to Marvel. But in terms of sales ...Didio will keep his job since they have been higher than before he became EIC. Since 2004 they have been higher than before.

Batman Fan 31593

01-23-2009, 06:31 PM

...before moving to DC to revitalize the company’s then-lackluster Batman line, recruiting Greg Rucka to write “Detective”...

Shreck took over the Batman books in 2000, not long after No Man's Land ended. I wouldn't exactly call No Man's Land lackluster. Also, when Greg Rucka took over the writing duties of Detective Comics, Denny O'Neil was still credited as editor, so how exactly was he "recruited" by Bob Shreck?

FanboyStranger

01-23-2009, 07:42 PM

Shreck took over the Batman books in 2000, not long after No Man's Land ended. I wouldn't exactly call No Man's Land lackluster. Also, when Greg Rucka took over the writing duties of Detective Comics, Denny O'Neil was still credited as editor, so how exactly was he "recruited" by Bob Shreck?

Bob Schreck recruited Greg Rucka to write comics after reading his novels. Greg's first comic work was Whiteout at Oni, which had Schreck as its Editor-in-Chief. They're also close friends.

$5 Milkshake

01-23-2009, 07:55 PM

I kinda feel bad for being that guy, but when I heard about an editor losing his job at DC, I was disappointed when I found out it was NOT Didio.

I dont know anything about Schreck, but from many, many comments around the web, it seems a shame.

Ontir

01-23-2009, 09:29 PM

Lay off the guy who was behind the best book your company has produced in YEARS!
"Bones" was right, the bureaucratic mentality IS the only constant in the universe!

It could prove interesting with Rucka, to see if he stays @ DC, or moves on, perhaps to whatever company hires Shreck.

DanDunne

01-24-2009, 05:09 AM

OK, we'll let your hater rant die the fast death it should. Bob is and has always been one of the superstars of the publishing industry and one of the nicest people you could ever meet. Always approachable, always friendly to total strangers, and cutting edge editorial work spearheading story lines that no other companies would publish. Bob, you will be missed, but I can't wait to follow you wherever you go -- I'll be there enjoying the ride!

Bob Shreck may be the nicest guy in comics, but it doesn't change the fact that his time as Batman editor was characterised by some truly awful comics. I guess it's hard having to follow Denny O'Neil, but he didn't even come close. War Games was a particular travesty, and by all accounts an story that came straight from editorial.

From what I've read it seems a guy like Bob has done his best work with less mainstream stuff, and maybe that's what he should start working on again.

K-DoG7p7

01-24-2009, 09:04 AM

Hate to be a downer here.... but honestly I don't care..
Sucks that he lost his job and all...
but he was also the editor on Green Arrow that allowed the character to become what he is today..
he is the one that told Judd to make Ollie a cheater..
Not that Mike Carlin has been any better..

CYOTI

01-24-2009, 11:49 AM

Agreed. Schreck really fucked over O'Neill's batbooks with War Games and lackluster teams on Nightwing and Robin. And lets not forget the travesty that was All Star Batman and Robin that continues thanks to Schreck. He may be a favorite of the comic creators, but he was a nightmare to the readers.

NeoStar9X

01-24-2009, 02:58 PM

Him being a nice guy doesn't mean a thing. We are talking about his performance here as a possible reason for him getting fired. You can be nice and be horrible at your job.

Ron Marz

01-24-2009, 03:20 PM

Except that Bob is a nice guy AND quite good at his job.

Slagging off someone who just lost his job, someone you don't know AT ALL, is pretty classless. The lives of real people are far more important than what happens to comic book characters.

Best of luck to Bob wherever his path takes him. He's one of the good ones.

Kurt Busiek

01-24-2009, 04:41 PM

Except that Bob is a nice guy AND quite good at his job.

Exactly.

The reason people are losing their jobs here has nothing to do with their performance -- DC Comics is doing very well, financially. But Time Warner is undergoing a general belt-tightening because some of its other companies are doing badly.

The same thing's happening all over. Sony Pictures is making good money, but they're still downsizing, because Sony International has to cover debts from other Sony businesses being in the crapper.

Bob Schreck's an excellent editor and a great guy, and like the other people who were let go from DC, he's losing his job because people he never met, in a business he's not part of, are losing money for the parent company.

Making up phony reasons for it doesn't do anything but insult good people.

kdb

Darrell D.

01-25-2009, 07:06 AM

I kinda feel bad for being that guy, but when I heard about an editor losing his job at DC, I was disappointed when I found out it was NOT Didio.

Why, what did Didio do to you that you would wish that he lost his job?

the4thpip

01-25-2009, 09:21 AM

Why, what did Didio do to you that you would wish that he lost his job?

We could all wish that he keeps his job but completely changes the way he runs DC comics so they put our more comics that we enjoy again, would that version be more acceptable to you?

Like, he could hit his head and suffer partial amnesia and would go "Dan who??" and suddenly things would be all right again.

Darrell D.

01-25-2009, 09:28 AM

We could all wish that he keeps his job but completely changes the way he runs DC comics so they put our more comics that we enjoy again, would that version be more acceptable to you?

Like, he could hit his head and suffer partial amnesia and would go "Dan who??" and suddenly things would be all right again.

Believe me, I'm no fan of DC these days. I tend to stay with Vertigo and that's it. But, but, but someone must enjoy the books that are being published, if the sales are any judge. Didio is doing his job, which is to sell comics. Wanting him to be fired because he is doing his job really makes no sense.
See also: Quesada.

Justin D.

01-25-2009, 12:15 PM

Folks, this may have had nothing to do with his job performance. When companies need to make layoffs, the people they often look hardest at are older employees and those who've been there a long time. Bob Schreck was both. It seems counterproductive, but that's what happens. My dad has found that out a couple times.

Michael's right. I was laid off of a couple weeks ago and it wasn't due to my job performance. The company I worked for is laying off roughly 10 percent of its employees because of the harsh financial times. Schreck likely got let go for the same reason.

He's a hallmark of the comics industry nowadays, so I'm sure he'll find a job again.

Mat001

01-25-2009, 12:17 PM

Exactly. For all the complaining I've seen, it doesn't change facts that there are still people who enjoy DC's books. I still enjoy DC's wares despite what people think of Dan Didio. Sometimes I think people complain just to complain.

$5 Milkshake

01-25-2009, 01:50 PM

Why, what did Didio do to you that you would wish that he lost his job?

He calls me nightly, calls my mom a whore, and hangs up.

OR, I've been rapidly losing interest in DC comics over the last couple of years and dont like many of the decisions made on behalf of the company. Therefore, I'd like to see a change in management.

I mean, not that I dont appreciate being called out as "You meanie!!" by your ludicrous post, but why does my comment have to be taken as personal? I dont know Dan. I dont wish financial ruin and CANCER on the guy. God bless him, I hope he lives the rest of his days rich and happy.

Just definitely not with DC.

Darrell D.

01-25-2009, 02:52 PM

He calls me nightly, calls my mom a whore, and hangs up.

OR, I've been rapidly losing interest in DC comics over the last couple of years and dont like many of the decisions made on behalf of the company. Therefore, I'd like to see a change in management.

I mean, not that I dont appreciate being called out as "You meanie!!" by your ludicrous post, but why does my comment have to be taken as personal? I dont know Dan. I dont wish financial ruin and CANCER on the guy. God bless him, I hope he lives the rest of his days rich and happy.

Just definitely not with DC.

Well, at least you didn't call him 'Didiot'.
Sales are strong, and the only way I see him leaving is if sales begin to tank and creators begin to turn on him ala Jim Shooter.

Edit: And I apologize for 'calling you out'. You always come off as a reasonable poster here, and
I really hate it when fans call for editors, writers, etc to be fired. Which, of course you didn't in your post. So I humbly apologize.

Alexrules

01-26-2009, 12:40 AM

$5 Milkshake

01-26-2009, 01:06 AM

I hate to be negative hear. I only have read DC on occasion. I But there is absolutely no way that Didio nor Bob Schreck could of done a worse job than the EIC of Marvel.

Why? Because he ruined their most popular character. Not only did the ruin the character and his book, they did it in such a way that it made it impossible that any big interesting thing was ever going to happen. Not only is that character not married anymore, they acted like they were going to do a story where everyone found out who he was, but instead dragged it out and barely mentioned that fact for over a year so they could unmarry him in what was reffered to as 'the worst comic book issue of all time.'

Now, I've only read so much of recent DC stuff, but none of it could be nearly as bad as that. Just putting it into perspective.:cool:

Huh? "Ruined their most popular character"? You mean....the one that's top ten in sales? I'm not some Marvel Zombie or anything, but to say Joe Q has done bad by Marvel is deluding yourself. The complaints against Joe Q are by fans angry with a few of his decisions.....decisions that have resulted in profit for Marvel. Dan D's detractors are fans angry with a few of his decisions, decisions that have resulted in NOTHING. DC's sales stink. Every sales chart I've looked at show Marvel wiping the floor with them.

Aubergine~!

01-26-2009, 01:19 AM

I hate to be negative hear. I only have read DC on occasion. I But there is absolutely no way that Didio nor Bob Schreck could of done a worse job than the EIC of Marvel.

Why? Because he ruined their most popular character. Not only did the ruin the character and his book, they did it in such a way that it made it impossible that any big interesting thing was ever going to happen. Not only is that character not married anymore, they acted like they were going to do a story where everyone found out who he was, but instead dragged it out and barely mentioned that fact for over a year so they could unmarry him in what was reffered to as 'the worst comic book issue of all time.'

Now, I've only read so much of recent DC stuff, but none of it could be nearly as bad as that. Just putting it into perspective.:cool:

The BND hate is getting old, and doesn't belong in this thread. Quesada's done an excellent job as EIC for Marvel, no matter how much people may dislike some of his decisions.

On topic, it always sucks when someone is laid off. Hope the guy finds work soon.

Aubergine~!

01-26-2009, 01:21 AM

sorry double post

Alexrules

01-26-2009, 01:40 AM

Huh? "Ruined their most popular character"? You mean....the one that's top ten in sales? I'm not some Marvel Zombie or anything, but to say Joe Q has done bad by Marvel is deluding yourself. The complaints against Joe Q are by fans angry with a few of his decisions.....decisions that have resulted in profit for Marvel. Dan D's detractors are fans angry with a few of his decisions, decisions that have resulted in NOTHING. DC's sales stink. Every sales chart I've looked at show Marvel wiping the floor with them.

You know, I don't care about sales in regards to this. He basically gave up on the book and said 'O.K. we're going to give you stories you've never seen before' but then basically there was basically nothing there. It was all false-advertising. Now, it's all gimmicks. Next month 'the Spot is coming back'. It will wear off eventually, but I read an issue of it and it wasn't the same book and the I didn't recognize any of the characters.

Sean Whitmore

01-26-2009, 02:11 AM

You know, I don't care about sales in regards to this.

Ah, good, so we've pinpointed the difference between you and the editor in chief.

SEAN

NeoStar9X

01-26-2009, 08:54 AM

You know, I don't care about sales in regards to this. He basically gave up on the book and said 'O.K. we're going to give you stories you've never seen before' but then basically there was basically nothing there. It was all false-advertising. Now, it's all gimmicks. Next month 'the Spot is coming back'. It will wear off eventually, but I read an issue of it and it wasn't the same book and the I didn't recognize any of the characters.

This goes for all franchise comics I've learned due to having to have them continue on forever and having so many damn hands in the pot. The only way not to deal with this is to read creator owned comics.

grphxkindaguy

01-26-2009, 01:27 PM

The lives of real people are far more important than what happens to comic book characters.

I have to strongly disagree w/you there, Ron. Editors come and go w/alarming frequency (and are easily replaceable IMO), but a sh*tty comic is never forgotten... :eek:

grphxkindaguy

01-26-2009, 01:47 PM

The BND hate is getting old, and doesn't belong in this thread.

there's NEVER a wrong place or time to drag out a sh*tty comic into the light of day and hold it up for the world to be horrified at. I guess you weren't around when the abortion called the Clone Saga was rearing its ugly head? Think of BND as a continuing tradition of making bad comics in exchange for short-term gains that then alienate the long term fans...who leave in droves.

"All it takes for crappy comics to be continued to be made is for people to buy them"

prismablue

01-26-2009, 02:18 PM

Aren't the books Bob edits among the best sellers in the DCU? He's one of the few editors that is able to put together superstar creative teams. Didn't DCU VP Jim Lee decide to work on a videogame after he had commited to ASBAR. I may be wrong, but I don't think any editor can replace a VP on a book no matter how late it is. Jim said, ASBAR is his until Miller leaves.

Sure, the AS books have been deadline nightmares, but they have also been commerical and critical darlings. AS Superman? Was anybody calling for Frank quitley and Morrison to be taken off that book when it was late...I doubt it.

Bob has continually put together some of the best as well as some of the most commercial creative teams and books together his entire career. You'd think they would have cut some fat instead and shifted more books to bob, who seems to be able to bring together some amazing talent who might not otherwise being working at DC.

Maybe we'll see him go to Image or DH and bring some of his A-list talent with him.

Sean Whitmore

01-26-2009, 03:22 PM

I have to strongly disagree w/you there, Ron. Editors come and go w/alarming frequency (and are easily replaceable IMO), but a sh*tty comic is never forgotten... :eek:

It's actually pretty easy to forget the bad comics. Provided one doesn't have some sort of obsessive disorder or something.

SEAN

grphxkindaguy

01-27-2009, 08:09 AM

It's actually pretty easy to forget the bad comics. Provided one doesn't have some sort of obsessive disorder or something.
SEAN

or any kind of memory retention...? :rolleyes:

Sean Whitmore

01-27-2009, 03:57 PM

or any kind of memory retention...? :rolleyes:

I remember good comics quite well. I just don't dwell on the bad ones because, well, I'm not disturbed in that particular way.

SEAN

$5 Milkshake

01-27-2009, 04:18 PM

I remember good comics quite well. I just don't dwell on the bad ones because, well, I'm not disturbed in that particular way.

SEAN

LOL seriously.

"Bad comics are NEVER forgotten"? Bad comics are the easiest to forget.

Sean Whitmore

01-27-2009, 04:21 PM

LOL seriously.

"Bad comics are NEVER forgotten"? Bad comics are the easiest to forget.

I especially like the implication (even in jest) that bad comics are more important than live editors.

SEAN

pariah-1972

01-27-2009, 04:47 PM

I still remember the first issue of Ultimates 3 but it doesn't have the same shocking impact as it first did.

Reptisaurus!

01-30-2009, 07:14 PM

I have to strongly disagree w/you there, Ron. Editors come and go w/alarming frequency (and are easily replaceable IMO), but a sh*tty comic is never forgotten... :eek:

Issue oh, 5-18 of Nova. The Kannigher/Andru Wonder Woman. \ Post Robert Loren Fleming Thriller. The majority of the Paul Kupperberg issues of DC Comics Presents. Non Steve Gerber Howard the Duck. Secret Defenders. Gerry Conway's New Gods revival.

I could keep goin' all night.

All (IMO) really bad, all near-completely forgotten.

pariah-1972

01-30-2009, 11:02 PM

Issue oh, 5-18 of Nova. The Kannigher/Andru Wonder Woman. \ Post Robert Loren Fleming Thriller. The majority of the Paul Kupperberg issues of DC Comics Presents. Non Steve Gerber Howard the Duck. Secret Defenders. Gerry Conway's New Gods revival.

I could keep goin' all night.

All (IMO) really bad, all near-completely forgotten.so forgotten that you can remember them perfectly?
:rolleyes:

Reptisaurus!

01-31-2009, 07:59 AM

so forgotten that you can remember them perfectly?
:rolleyes:

I don't count because I'm a huge nerd. Do YOU remember them? Have you ever heard them discussed?

And, honestly, these all were chosen to be not-obscure enough that SOME of you will say 'Oh yeah. That did suck. I haven't read that in years!" I'm not choosing stuff from my famed "Drawer Full of Terrible Self-Published Comics" or Charlton Romance comics, or nothin'.

But all these are ig 2 books generally attached to creators who have done spectacular work elsewhere. that nobody ever mentions.

bringthenoise

01-31-2009, 08:04 AM

LOL seriously.

"Bad comics are NEVER forgotten"? Bad comics are the easiest to forget.

Quite. Can anyone remember anything from Countdown to Final Crisis, beyond key "plot" points? (And I can't even remember all of them).

pariah-1972

01-31-2009, 09:08 PM

I don't count because I'm a huge nerd. Do YOU remember them? Have you ever heard them discussed?

And, honestly, these all were chosen to be not-obscure enough that SOME of you will say 'Oh yeah. That did suck. I haven't read that in years!" I'm not choosing stuff from my famed "Drawer Full of Terrible Self-Published Comics" or Charlton Romance comics, or nothin'.

But all these are ig 2 books generally attached to creators who have done spectacular work elsewhere. that nobody ever mentions.I guess you out nerded me i don't know any of those except for a few issues of Secret Defenders only because Deadpool was in them.
the art was very 90's style but i wouldn't say it was one of the worst things i've read.

Batman Fan 31593

12-25-2009, 08:42 AM

Old thread of CBR's DC Universe Forum, RISE!!!! :biggrin:

...before moving to DC to revitalize the company’s then-lackluster Batman line, recruiting Greg Rucka to write “Detective”...

Shreck took over the Batman books in 2000, not long after No Man's Land ended. I wouldn't exactly call No Man's Land lackluster. Also, when Greg Rucka took over the writing duties of Detective Comics, Denny O'Neil was still credited as editor, so how exactly was he "recruited" by Bob Shreck?

Bob Schreck recruited Greg Rucka to write comics after reading his novels. Greg's first comic work was Whiteout at Oni, which had Schreck as its Editor-in-Chief. They're also close friends.

In the latest edition of Word Balloon on Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091224-word-balloon-rucka-2.html), starting at around the 4:20 mark, Greg Rucka specifically talks about how it was Denny O'Neil, not Bob Shreck, who was "responsible for (his) career in comics".

I do agree that Bob Shreck made important contributions to comics, but "recruiting Greg Rucka to write 'Detective'" was not one of them.

FanboyStranger

12-25-2009, 09:18 PM

Old thread of CBR's DC Universe Forum, RISE!!!! :biggrin:

In the latest edition of Word Balloon on Newsarama (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/091224-word-balloon-rucka-2.html), starting at around the 4:20 mark, Greg Rucka specifically talks about how it was Denny O'Neil, not Bob Shreck, who was "responsible for (his) career in comics".

I do agree that Bob Shreck made important contributions to comics, but "recruiting Greg Rucka to write 'Detective'" was not one of them.

As I stated above, Schreck hired Rucka for his first comics work, which was Whiteout at Oni, after enjoying his Atticus Kodiak novels. Rucka has always cited O'Neil as an inspiration for his writing career, but it was Schreck who opened the door for him.

the4thpip

12-26-2009, 03:52 AM

So... almost a year ago, many people were sure that an editor like Bob Schreck would "land on his feet."

Any idea if and where he has landed?

Batman Fan 31593

12-26-2009, 04:57 AM

As I stated above, Schreck hired Rucka for his first comics work, which was Whiteout at Oni, after enjoying his Atticus Kodiak novels. Rucka has always cited O'Neil as an inspiration for his writing career, but it was Schreck who opened the door for him.

Yeah, I'll give you that, but I maintain that it was Denny who is responsible for Greg landing the job on "Detective Comics"; because Bob Schreck didn't take over the Bat books until serveral months after Greg's run on "Detective" started. Greg's run started in #742 and Bob wasn't credited as editor until #752, 10 months later. I'm just trying to set the record straight, here.

So... almost a year ago, many people were sure that an editor like Bob Schreck would "land on his feet."

Any idea if and where he has landed?

Not sure what Bob's been up to lately, but a graphic novel he was working on while he was still at DC which is currently unreleased was mentioned in this week's Permanent Damage (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=24175) column:

I don't have any art for Phil, but we spent a year or so producing a graphic novel for Bob Schreck at DC that seems to have gone into limbo since Bob left earlier this year. Nonetheless, Phil's stuff on it was great, and it was a really strange number where I called for a variety of visual and color effects, and Phil relentlessly gave what I asked for. Besides being a very intriguing stylist, Phil's one of those artists like John Byrne who can be given something impossible to draw, and he'll figure out how to draw it.

Michael Golden