Who supports a new "Defenders" title??

[whiteshark]

Well Hulk#10 is coming soon now.And in that number we see the return of the "Defenders".
If a new title based on this team apears would have my suport.
The members of the team are some of the strongest characters in the Marvel "Universe".
Hulk,Silver Surfer,Doc Strange and Namor.
One of the aspects that i liked to see here would be a good use of enemies.
The writter had to come up with some strong enemies for this team.
One other strong element of this title would be a team operating without having nothing to do with two examples of teams "school" that exists in Marvel now.
Which are Avengers and X-Men.
So this would bring some welcome fresh air in the curent Marvel teams books.
And would replace the place that "New Warriors" had in that matter.
So anybody suports this idea as well?
Feel free to coment.
:cool:

[Frodo-X]

It would depend on who was on the team. If I like the lineup, I might try the book.

If, however, it picks up where The Last Defenders left off, count me out. I was disappointed by that mini.

[StoneGold]

Apparently no one, since the three of the attempts at doing the Defenders in the last... what, 7 years or so have been poor sellers/not good enough for a regular series numbers.

[XPac]

I dont' think the main 4 Defenders are really in any sort of position to have any sort of on-going title together. They're all doing their own thing.

I am okay with the occasional Defenders mini though. And I do think them teaming up in Hulk will be a lot of fun.

[whiteshark]

It would depend on who was on the team. If I like the lineup, I might try the book.

If, however, it picks up where The Last Defenders left off, count me out. I was disappointed by that mini.

I think that the Defenders title Would work better if they went back to the start with the original team.
The one that is going to apear in Hulk#10.

[Beast]

It would have to be the good team of Defenders.The New Defenders.

Beast, Iceman, Angel, Gargoyle, Moondragon, Valkyrie, and Cloud.

[RolandJP]

The Defenders

The Defenders is a name of a number of Marvel Comics superhero groups — usually presented as a "non-team" of individualistic "outsiders" each known for following their own agendas — that usually battles mystic and supernatural threats


Black Panther
Storm
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
Hellcat
Werewolf by Night
Blue Marvel

OH and SAGE..as the resident super computer.


A team book written by Jason Aaron. A book were outcasts can party, collectively.

[Omega Alpha]

The other 4 really can't team up at the moment. Besides, Strange was a member of NA recently, and will appear there again, and Hulk is appearing in MA.

And I think another group calling themselves Defenders would strike me as very random.

[whiteshark]

Apparently no one, since the three of the attempts at doing the Defenders in the last... what, 7 years or so have been poor sellers/not good enough for a regular series numbers.


But that doesn`t mean that a new regular series number of defenders is going to be a poor seller.
The original title of X-Men was canceled because of poor sales and when the title came back got the sales everybody knows.

[XPac]

The other 4 really can't team up at the moment. Besides, Strange was a member of NA recently, and will appear there again, and Hulk is appearing in MA.

And I think another group calling themselves Defenders would strike me as very random.

I do think you can get away with another Defenders team by using people like Nighthawk, Hellcat, and Valkyrie.

It's sort of like having an Avengers team without Cap, Thor, and Iron Man... or having a JLA without Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. It CAN be done, even though it's not quite the same.

That said, I doubt it would sell well.

[Cthulhudrew]

I'd love to see more of Joe Casey's "Last Defenders" myself. The mini was really good, IMO, and we only got a teasing look at Richmond's new team that I would really like to see developed further.

[StoneGold]

But that doesn`t mean that a new regular series number of defenders is going to be a poor seller.
The original title of X-Men was canceled because of poor sales and when the title came back got the sales everybody knows.

Yes, but there have been three separate attempts (four if you count The Order) to relaunch the Defenders since 2002. They've had several chances of getting their Giant Sized X-Men #1. And not by unknowns, either - Busiek, Larson, Giffen, DeMatties, Maguire, Casey...

[whiteshark]

The other 4 really can't team up at the moment. Besides, Strange was a member of NA recently, and will appear there again, and Hulk is appearing in MA.

And I think another group calling themselves Defenders would strike me as very random.

The team up in this book would be the one where a big enemy schows up and with their strenght combined they can take the enemy down.
It would be a more loose team.
Where the heroes could still have their own agenda and carry on the stories they have in their own title.
By other hand the only member that have his own book is "Hulk".
So this could work as well to see more stories of many of those characters without a curent book.
And just because Doc Strange is in New Avengers that doesnt mean he can be in another team as well.
After all in how many teams is Wolverine now?

[XPac]

I'd love to see more of Joe Casey's "Last Defenders" myself. The mini was really good, IMO, and we only got a teasing look at Richmond's new team that I would really like to see developed further.

I'm not sure that team has a chance though.

It seems like She-Hulk might be doing the Lady Liberators thing, and Son of Satan might even end up in the Midnight Sons (though who knows if that's a permanent thing). That team concept to me at least just sort of seemed destined to fail. Even in that series, we only saw that actual team in like 1 issue.

[whiteshark]

Yes, but there have been three separate attempts (four if you count The Order) to relaunch the Defenders since 2002. They've had several chances of getting their Giant Sized X-Men #1. And not by unknowns, either - Busiek, Larson, Giffen, DeMatties, Maguire, Casey...

Maybee if the writers try a diferent aproach to this title this time it would sell better.
Just by keeping the core original plot of the "Defenders".
By keeping the initial plot simple they can do good stories with this team in my opinion.

[Cthulhudrew]

It seems like She-Hulk might be doing the Lady Liberators thing, and Son of Satan might even end up in the Midnight Sons (though who knows if that's a permanent thing).

Eh. I figure if Wolverine can appear in multiple teams, in multiple titles, why not She-Hulk and Son of Satan?

[whiteshark]

Eh. I figure if Wolverine can appear in multiple teams, in multiple titles, why not She-Hulk and Son of Satan?

Same here.

[RolandJP]

Defender Formula


:Take all of the characters from cancelled titles, using the best ones, then form a team= good sales

Add Jason Aaron and a great artist= top 20 book

[StoneGold]

Maybee if the writers try a diferent aproach to this title this time it would sell better.
Just by keeping the core original plot of the "Defenders".
By keeping the initial plot simple they can do good stories with this team in my opinion.

The did that with the first two, two and a half iterations. It's only the most recent attempt that it was more Nighthawk and side characters.

[XPac]

I'll bet if they just changed Loeb's Hulk book into a Defenders book (while returning Incredible Hercuels to Incredible Hulk for his solo book), the title would do well... at least as long as Loeb was on it.

[$5 Milkshake]

The Defenders

The Defenders is a name of a number of Marvel Comics superhero groups — usually presented as a "non-team" of individualistic "outsiders" each known for following their own agendas — that usually battles mystic and supernatural threats


Black Panther
Storm
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
Hellcat
Werewolf by Night
Blue Marvel

OH and SAGE..as the resident super computer.


A team book written by Jason Aaron. A book were outcasts can party, collectively.

I would totally buy that.

(But no SAGE)

[Frodo-X]

The Defenders

The Defenders is a name of a number of Marvel Comics superhero groups — usually presented as a "non-team" of individualistic "outsiders" each known for following their own agendas — that usually battles mystic and supernatural threats


Black Panther
Storm
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
Hellcat
Werewolf by Night
Blue Marvel

OH and SAGE..as the resident super computer.


A team book written by Jason Aaron. A book were outcasts can party, collectively.
I'd be game for this one.

[CSG]

Defenders usually deal with outer-dimensional threat, that's the concept from the beginning. Avengers usually works on Planetary threat or outer space threat. But Defenders's enemies usually come from other dimensional plane.

I think the original Defenders line-up (Strange, Namor, SS, and Hulk) is the best IMO, feature a team where the rosters are hardly willing to work as a team.

[blehbeh]

All of the other Defenders revivals have failed because Marvel took the over the top, campy superheroics route...with every one. You'd think they'd learn.

I've always wanted them to try a really dark, really horror/magic-driven Defenders title, with Dr. Strange gathering characters like Ghost Rider, Hellstorm, Satana, Werewolf, Morbius, Devil Slayer, Valkyrie, etc etc...

But now that it looks like Marvel Zombies 4 might spin off (hopefully) into a Midnight Sons book with many of those characters, I'm a happy camper.

[XPac]

All of the other Defenders revivals have failed because Marvel took the over the top, campy superheroics route...with every one. You'd think they'd learn.

I've always wanted them to try a really dark, really horror/magic-driven Defenders title, with Dr. Strange gathering characters like Ghost Rider, Hellstorm, Satana, Werewolf, Morbius, Devil Slayer, Valkyrie, etc etc...

But now that it looks like Marvel Zombies 4 might spin off (hopefully) into a Midnight Sons book with many of those characters, I'm a happy camper.

Yeah, I'm hoping they do something with Midnight Sons too.

I loved the concept of them back in the 90's, even though the exectuion of it at times left a bit to be desired.

[Trey]

All of the other Defenders revivals have failed because Marvel took the over the top, campy superheroics route...with every one. You'd think they'd learn.

I've always wanted them to try a really dark, really horror/magic-driven Defenders title, with Dr. Strange gathering characters like Ghost Rider, Hellstorm, Satana, Werewolf, Morbius, Devil Slayer, Valkyrie, etc etc...

But now that it looks like Marvel Zombies 4 might spin off (hopefully) into a Midnight Sons book with many of those characters, I'm a happy camper.

Agree, but that type of story requires imagination and work and out there concepts.
NOBODY at Marvel is even close to that. Pak, Van lent, Cornell, maybe who else?

Just give it the Gaimen and let him do whatever he wants. It has to be a writer that loves those types of stories. Heck give it Stephen King, he has shown interest. Maybe he'd like to try an ongoing comic instead of his 43rd novel or whatever he's up to.

[Shellhead]

One problem with a new Defenders title is that there are several different factions of fans, based on the different eras of the original Defenders run:

1. Powerful outcast heroes who band together to battle the really cosmic threats. (pre-Defenders team-ups involving Strange, Hulk, Namor and the Surfer, plus Defenders #1-16, 78-83, Giant-Size #1)

2. Pseudo team-up title: Defenders plus guest-star of the month. (Defenders #17-20, 42-50, 61-65, Giant-Size/Annuals #2-5).

3. Marvel's version of the Doom Patrol, flawed heroes fighting deeply weird threats. (Defenders #21-41)

4. The supernatural team that fights supernatural stuff. (Defenders #58-60, 94-99)

Defenders, imo of course, was pretty good for the first five years or so, but eventually turned really awful, and then kept cycling through the various core concepts, with each new iteration worse than the one before. This divided the fan base against itself, weakening the chances for success of all subsequent Defenders runs.

If they really want to try Defenders again, they should either get Jim Starlin to write the powerful outsiders of the early issues, or Grant Morrison to give us the really weird Defenders of the Gerber run. The random team-up concept was always pretty weak and should be avoided, and the supernatural team thing would only work if somebody at Marvel rehabilitated the magical aspects of the Marvel Universe, which have been shamefully neglected for more than a decade now.

[whiteshark]

feature a team where the rosters are hardly willing to work as a team.

And thats only one of the good elements of a new "Defenders" title.

[weapon-smith]

hulk ss, doc strange, namor, hellcat, valkrie, nighthawk.

the original team. THATS the defenders. keep all the other deadbeats. this is essentially a marvel jla. this team would make the avengers crap their pants.

[whiteshark]

hulk ss, doc strange, namor, hellcat, valkrie, nighthawk.

the original team. THATS the defenders. keep all the other deadbeats. this is essentially a marvel jla. this team would make the avengers crap their pants.


If Marvel gets back to the basics of the original "Defenders" title.
They would have some very good sales from fans that want some other Marvel teams besides the ones that come associate with X-Men and Avengers.

[RolandJP]

If Marvel gets back to the basics of the original "Defenders" title.
They would have some very good sales from fans that want some other Marvel teams besides the ones that come associate with X-Men and Avengers.

But how creative is it to pull that team together (hulk ss, doc strange, namor, hellcat, valkrie, nighthawk.) another mighty Avengers??

Also, I thought the Defenders were a group of outcasts/individuals forced to work as a team. As far as I can tell the before mentioned team of Defenders was done, negating the individual aspect. Cause they joined to form a team, hardly a cast that has never worked together before.

Lastly, a squid could write that series with five tentacles tied behind its back. Im tired of A-listers on one team.

[whiteshark]

But how creative is it to pull that team together (hulk ss, doc strange, namor, hellcat, valkrie, nighthawk.) another mighty Avengers??

Defenders was never meant to be another "Avengers" teams.
Its a unique team.
Good potencial because of the stories.
Mainly becauseof the "fire damage" that this team have.
The writter would have to write some serious enemies for this team.

[americocaine]

"New Defenders" actually are the Fantastic Force i.e. figment of Millar's rigid imagination.

[XPac]

"New Defenders" actually are the Fantastic Force i.e. figment of Millar's rigid imagination.

Yeah, we did get another version of the Defenders at least for a minute there. But it's Fantastic Force now... so I guess the name is up for grabs aside from the Last Defenders team, which seemingly has falled off the face of the earth.

[Zero Hunter]

I just don't think the original Defenders work anymroe in the modern Marvel U. To much stuff has happened to them for them to be a team again. The Surfer is back with Galactus, Namor is basiclly fighting the world these days since Atlantis was abandoned, and the Hulk is a fricken mess. It just stretches the bounds of common sence for them to running around with each other again. Hell it neve made sence to begin with, but bakc then you could get away with a book like that.

The only one I can see actully being on the team is Dr. Strange and then its like Blebleh said they need to turn the book into the group that fights the Supernatural stuff in the Marvel U. I always thought that was a no brainer especially after they brought back Hellcat and Nighthawk from the dead and gave them both mystic powers

[whiteshark]

I just don't think the original Defenders work anymroe in the modern Marvel U. To much stuff has happened to them for them to be a team again. The Surfer is back with Galactus, Namor is basiclly fighting the world these days since Atlantis was abandoned, and the Hulk is a fricken mess. It just stretches the bounds of common sence for them to running around with each other again. Hell it neve made sence to begin with, but bakc then you could get away with a book like that.

The only one I can see actully being on the team is Dr. Strange and then its like Blebleh said they need to turn the book into the group that fights the Supernatural stuff in the Marvel U. I always thought that was a no brainer especially after they brought back Hellcat and Nighthawk from the dead and gave them both mystic powers

I agree that all the elements of the original team(Hulk,Silver Surfer,Doc Strange,Namor) have diferents agendas nowadays.
But i dont think that none of them would wanted to see the "earth destroyed" for example.Not even Silver Surfer or Namor.
And in those kinds of stories against the most powerfull Marvel "Enemies" a Defenders title would work well.
Examples of potential enemies to fight the "Defenders".
-Ego.
-Mephisto.
-Thanos.
-Galactus and his henchmen like Terrax or Firelord.
-Doc Doom.
-Kang The Conquer
-Set.

So there is lots of potential in a new "Defenders" title.

[XPac]

Just my personal view... if Strange doesn't rejoin the New Avengers, I'd rather him be affiliated with the Midnight Sons than a new Defenders team.

The Defenders were a bit more on the mystical side anyways, but now there are more characters that specialize in that area.

[Taskmaster]

Sure. I'd be excited to see the new Nightwing, She-Hulk, Hellstrom and Krang get a shot at their own book with Richmond financing them. That'd be awesome!

[whiteshark]

Just my personal view... if Strange doesn't rejoin the New Avengers, I'd rather him be affiliated with the Midnight Sons than a new Defenders team.

The Defenders were a bit more on the mystical side anyways, but now there are more characters that specialize in that area.

Doc Strange could be affiliated with more than one team at the time.
Wolverine is affiliated with at least three teams now (X-Men,X-force and New Avengers)
And for me a new "Defenders" title looks cool because of the amount of strenght in that team.
There is space for some cool stories with that.

[Babylon23]

I'd buy any Defenders book featuring Hellcat, Nighthawk and Valkyrie. Throw Son of Satan in and I'm sold.

Unfortunately, the book would probably be cancelled after 12 issues.

[StoneGold]

Agree, but that type of story requires imagination and work and out there concepts.
NOBODY at Marvel is even close to that. Pak, Van lent, Cornell, maybe who else?

Just give it the Gaimen and let him do whatever he wants. It has to be a writer that loves those types of stories. Heck give it Stephen King, he has shown interest. Maybe he'd like to try an ongoing comic instead of his 43rd novel or whatever he's up to.

And if you think Gaiman likes doing supernatural superhero stuff... well, maybe there is a Gaimen that I don't know about that you're actually referring to.

Gaiman may do supernatural, and he may touch on horror, but not thrown together with superheroes. And when he has done the superhero stuff... eh, not so good.

[chris_powell]

I say make a book with:

Hellcat
Gargoyle
Atlas
Songbird
Cadaver
Julie Power
Machine Man
Iceman

Now THAT is a great Defenders team...

[thursdaze]

Bronze age Marvel comics are pretty much my absolute favorites so I fully support bringing back the Defenders but only if they maintain the quirkiness of the original title. I don't want to see A listers dominating the team I want it to showcase characters that you can't see anywhere else, basically I want the Initiative minus all the military overtones.

[whiteshark]

I say make a book with:

Hellcat
Atlas
Songbird
Cadaver
Julie Power
Machine Man
Iceman

Now THAT is a great Defenders team...

Except the last two there and maybee Songbird,those ones are poor characters to me.
Gargoyle was always a bit obscure to be unterstood as a character.
I remember reading some New Defenders stories with Gargoyle and have to say didnt liked those stories a bit.
I always liked more the original Defenders stories.

[celticguy]

if you used characters other than the big four. I would buy it.

son of satan, Hellcat, Gargoyle, Brunhilda and a few more. To many fans those characters would be blank slates you really could recreate them while still having some history.

I like the idea of kyle Richmond being their base commander if they keep that piece of the last defenders.

[whiteshark]

if you used characters other than the big four. I would buy it.

son of satan, Hellcat, Gargoyle, Brunhilda and a few more. To many fans those characters would be blank slates you really could recreate them while still having some history.

I like the idea of kyle Richmond being their base commander if they keep that piece of the last defenders.

Interesting enough the lesser know members of "Defenders"
Like Gargoyle,Hellcat and Iceman are the ones people talk more.

[celticguy]

Interesting enough the lesser know members of "Defenders"
Like Gargoyle,Hellcat and Iceman are the ones people talk more.


I think creatively they give a new book the most opportunity to strive, similar to when the new x-men rolled out.

The big four would suffer from comparisons to the mighty avengers.

[Michael P]

The market doesn't.

[whiteshark]

The market doesn't.

And how can you be so sure of that? :confused:

[Dark Traveller]

I'd support any title with Dr Strange that's well written.

I thought I'd like the New Avengers, but Bendis doesn't seem to know how to write the character.

As a team? Dr Strange, a fun loving Hellcat, Valkyrie and some of you may think me a little mad; Nick Fury and a trio of gun toting rogue agents. :biggrin:

Stories would be a intertwining mix of black ops and mystical threats.