Where Bauer Lives, Terror Dies. 24 -- Season Seven [Archive]

Jared

01-12-2009, 01:24 AM

After a year-long delay (and a TV movie a couple months ago) Jack is finally back. A lot has changed,they're not in L.A. and the CTU has been disbanded. While I'll miss the set, and the frequent chatter about orders from Division, I have to say it's probably about damn time. When half a dozen major terrorist attacks get pulled off on your watch, and it's up to one semi-rogue agent to repeatedly prevent things from becoming apocalyptic, your agency sucks at its job. I've tried to avoid reading much about the new season, but it looks like evil Tony is the genuine article. If Janeane Garafalo is meant to be the new Chloe, I don't think that will go over well. It certainly won't with me.

I think this is the most political that 24 has gotten. The season actually began with Jack defending the use of torture in extreme situations. And dressing down a senator, no less. Meanwhile the President and her Secretary of Defense debate using military intervention to end a genocide in Africa.

mr.brighteyes

01-12-2009, 04:39 AM

It's kind of a soft open for 24, not near as soft as the season one opening but still not near as intense as it has been in the past. Still evil Tony is fun I was kind of hoping when he and Jack met it would have been reveiled that they ere working together.

I imagine that Chloe will return I just hpe it is sooner rather than later. Janeane Garafalo will do for now though.

Wolf-Man

01-12-2009, 06:20 AM

Chloe in Ep3.

DonC

01-12-2009, 07:25 AM

As per usual of late, they have one too many plots going. I'm sure it will tie in to the main plot in some strange way, but I could do without the First Husband's storyline.

mr.brighteyes

01-12-2009, 09:05 AM

As per usual of late, they have one too many plots going. I'm sure it will tie in to the main plot in some strange way, but I could do without the First Husband's storyline.

I was thinking the same thing. I feel sorry for the kid though. they had him in the movie and he was probably like cool I'm in 24.

Stephen Moreno

01-12-2009, 09:07 AM

As per usual of late, they have one too many plots going. I'm sure it will tie in to the main plot in some strange way, but I could do without the First Husband's storyline.

I agree, the First Husband plotline just feel outta place. I don't remember, but was his son the one from the movie who got the call from the wayward friend? Is that how he died? He got caught up in that mess?

Overall I thought last night's 2 hour start was pretty good, it's been a dream of mine to tell the US Congress to F itself and Bauer got to live it, lucky SOB. I really look forward to this season, I hope they cut down the lame twists like in last season. I don't need Jack's family to be involved, Tony is about as close to Bauer as I wanna get.

mr.brighteyes

01-12-2009, 09:11 AM

cosmoboy

01-12-2009, 10:04 AM

We'll see if Tony is evil. I think if they wanted to set HIM up as the bad guy he would
have done something...y'know...bad. Instead he set up the planes to hit each other and then pulled up. I also suspect the twist in tonight's episodes will be that Tony is working for Buchanan.

Stephen Moreno

01-12-2009, 10:21 AM

Yeah that was the presidents son who got that call. I was confused a first because he didn't die in the movie so I thought I had missed something. I wonder if we will find out what happened. also more Carly Pope please and less John Voight.

Carly Pope was his g/f who got that 400k gift right? I agree, way more of her.

I know a little bit of time passed between the movie and the show but I assume it was no more than say a month or so? I mean Bauer went from Africa to Washington. I assume the hearings weren't the day after he got back, but I doubt he's been waiting that long to tell Red Foreman and gang to put it where you don't need sunblock.

We'll see if Tony is evil. I think if they wanted to set HIM up as the bad guy he would
have done something...y'know...bad. Instead he set up the planes to hit each other and then pulled up. I also suspect the twist in tonight's episodes will be that Tony is working for Buchanan.

Yea Tony's plot line is the most interesting one to me, I loved Jack's reaction to him at first.

One other plotline that kinda irks me is this FBI/Mole thing. For once, can we just have an organization that isn't compromised? I know our Intelligence Agencies aren't perfect, but this seems to happen all the time.

cosmoboy

01-12-2009, 10:43 AM

Well if Tony is working for the good guys,and the FBI mole is working with him, then it's not compromised is it? But if the FBI mole thinks he's working for a bad guy then I guess it is compromised. Hmmm. after typing it out I'm with you. Quit compromising government agencies.

FanboyStranger

01-12-2009, 11:22 AM

I have a theory on Tony's return, and even though it may be way off, I'll post it in spoiler tags anyway: Tony's death was faked by upper levels of CTU in order to send him undercover as a disillusioned former agent turned mercenary, but because CTU was shut down, Tony has had to run dark the past few years. That's why he made the planes miss and warned Jack off his trail. Because even though it directly plays into the Senegala genocide, the guys that Jack is going to end up after will almost certainly be Jon Voight and the businessmen that are profiteering from the Senegala conflict. I also suspect that Jack's dad had dealings with these men some time in the past, which will be revealed as the season progresses.

The preferred nickname for the new President is "President Lady". Also, did anyone else want Red Foreman to tell Jack to "answer the damn questions, or you'll be wearing your ass as a hat"?

Major Comma

01-12-2009, 11:33 AM

even if Tony is undercover ,
He is not in the clear until the season is over .
Tony REALLY being a bad guy could be a twist toward the end of the season.

Jared

01-12-2009, 03:45 PM

mr.brighteyes

01-12-2009, 03:51 PM

The first husband's dead son is from a previous marriage, and was friends with The President's son, right?

The warlord's vengeful son doesn't seem to realize that the government had nothing to do with his brother's death. That was all Jack's buddy using the land mine, U.S. troops weren't doing anything besides evacuating the embassy.

I'm liking the FBI chick. She reminds me of a young Stacy Haiduk.

Thhe chick from seaquest absolutly thats who I thought of too.

And the dead son was the presidents son as well. remember his buddy showing up at the house he was trying to get the goods on John voight they probably found out that the presidents son knew about him and killed him.

Stephen Moreno

01-12-2009, 06:18 PM

Watching it now...

That's a good twist.

I will not say anything more until tomorrow. Enjoy it, first 18 minutes so far have been good.

Kid Kamikaze10

01-12-2009, 06:33 PM

What I want to see is this:

Essentially, the FBI woman vs Jack, but as she goes after Jack "The Fugitive" style, she slowly either joins him, or learns about the conspiracy (but doesn't become a casualty of it).

I would like to see her around for more than one season. Heck, if she gets awesome enough, she could replace Jack, but I doubt that.

Kid Kamikaze10

01-12-2009, 06:47 PM

Manpurse
Omega Pistol
Chloe

...

It's go time, Jack!

Kid Kamikaze10

01-12-2009, 07:06 PM

StoneGold

01-12-2009, 07:07 PM

Also, did anyone else want Red Foreman to tell Jack to "answer the damn questions, or you'll be wearing your ass as a hat"?

No, but I did want Clarence Boddicker to tell everyone "Bitches leave!"

Sigh, why couldn't he have guested on the season where everyone else from Robocop was on?

master of read

01-12-2009, 07:15 PM

good start so far. cant believe jack owned red foremen like that last night. i was half expecting him to say "how about i torture your ass with my foot, jack?"

so the gang's all here.

time to kick some terriorist ass!

StoneGold

01-12-2009, 07:50 PM

http://www.exurban.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/obey-clarence.jpg

Kid Kamikaze10

01-12-2009, 07:53 PM

That's an awesome picture.

Oh, and FBI woman is now a "Bauer-trainee", with the possibility of becoming Nina Meyers 2.0.

Jared

01-12-2009, 08:01 PM

It's not a man purse, it's a counter-terrorist action bag!

Jack and Renee, though they're miles apart, torture brings them closer together.

I don't see how Renee could be the mole, since she just risked her career to tip off the target of Methos's operation.

Stephen Moreno

01-12-2009, 10:04 PM

I liked tonight's 2 hour show, I think a lot is still up in the air and the "twists" aren't what they seem, shocking I know.

I still think Tony is not exactly right, him and Bill lost a lot and I think they have reason to want to get "even".

EZMOHR

01-12-2009, 10:11 PM

I still don't think Tony is Tony. I think it is someone cut to look like Tony. Maybe the fake Martin Belkin from season one. Now that would be a twist.

Major Comma

01-12-2009, 11:47 PM

When he phoned in his original threat,
The FBI confirmed his voiceprint as Tony.

tjarvis

01-13-2009, 12:31 AM

I like the fact that Tony really did go rogue for a while, it makes his loyalty a little more questionable. Bill is also coming across as shadier, which is interesting. The writers really are not trying to gloss over the questionable tactics this time.

And Peter Wingfield is doing a good job of coming across as the anti-Jack right now. Shades of the British agent from season three, but that's okay.

It was good to see Chloe, but then I remembered what annoys me about her. I appreciate the fact that she's awesome with computers, but it's kind of annoying when nobody can touch her. When an FBI computer specialist can't use her own system more effectively than Chloe, that's a bit much.

Even Jack gets challenged and beat every now and then.

StoneGold

01-13-2009, 12:39 AM

Gah. Well, they just took out the most interesting part, Jack vs. Tony. Not a show killer, but something of a let down.

Me, I'm hoping Robocop comes back to life after Jack killed him. Or Jack's brother who he killed. Or maybe Vice President Green Lantern will come back. I don't think he's dead. Either way, just have them interact with Clarence.

Stephen Moreno

01-13-2009, 07:27 AM

jessecuster3

01-13-2009, 08:33 AM

So who do you think is the FBI mole and who do you think is the White House mole?

Do you think we have met both already?

FanboyStranger

01-13-2009, 10:10 AM

So who do you think is the FBI mole and who do you think is the White House mole?

Do you think we have met both already?

Not sure on the FBI mole (it could be Walsh from Entourage since he worked closely with Jack in the first episode, it could Janeanne Garofalo since she's been played so goofy and cowardly so far, it could be the head guy), but I'm pretty solid on President Lady's Chief of Staff as being the White House mole, especially considering that the SS agent assigned to her husband was reporting directly to him when he confronted his dead son's girlfriend about the money. I think the suspicion will be on the Secretary of Defense who protested so strenuously against US involvement in Senegala, then backed down when faced with the resignation ultimatum, but in the end, he will probably turn out to be okay, standing on principle instead of involved in a global business conspiracy.

tjarvis

01-13-2009, 10:17 AM

Not sure on the FBI mole (it could be Walsh from Entourage since he worked closely with Jack in the first episode, it could Janeanne Garofalo since she's been played so goofy and cowardly so far, it could be the head guy), but I'm pretty solid on President Lady's Chief of Staff as being the White House mole, especially considering that the SS agent assigned to her husband was reporting directly to him when he confronted his dead son's girlfriend about the money. I think the suspicion will be on the Secretary of Defense who protested so strenuously against US involvement in Senegala, then backed down when faced with the resignation ultimatum, but in the end, he will probably turn out to be okay, standing on principle instead of involved in a global business conspiracy.

I think the FBI mole is probably Ever Carradine. She just showed up this episode, and is a somewhat name actress to just have no character arc.

The White House mole is trickier, but I lean toward the Chief of Staff as well.

jessecuster3

01-13-2009, 11:09 AM

I think the chief of staff is too obvious.

By the way, who is Ever Carradine's character? Did you mean Carly Pope?

Stephen Moreno

01-13-2009, 11:37 AM

So who do you think is the FBI mole and who do you think is the White House mole?

Do you think we have met both already?

Yea the Chief of Staff, like mentioned is a bit too obvious. I'd like to think we've already met them, but no one sticks out except CoS.

tjarvis

01-13-2009, 12:25 PM

I think the chief of staff is too obvious.

By the way, who is Ever Carradine's character? Did you mean Carly Pope?

No, the blonde FBI agent they introduced in Episode three. She was fluttering aorund the tech people and asking if she could help.

StoneGold

01-13-2009, 01:07 PM

Am I the only one thinking Pope's enhanced interrogation is going to backfire horribly for her? Get a message of "no one can torture people right except for Jack" kind of thing?

Conn Seanery

01-13-2009, 01:31 PM

Carly Pope is Samantha Roth (ex-fiancee of the President's son). Annie Wersching is Agent Renee Walker

jessecuster3

01-13-2009, 01:58 PM

No, the blonde FBI agent they introduced in Episode three. She was fluttering aorund the tech people and asking if she could help.

I find it weird that in IMDB they do not list 24 as one of her credits. I am not sure who you could be referring to.

The Black Guardian

01-13-2009, 02:26 PM

Am I the only one thinking Pope's enhanced interrogation is going to backfire horribly for her? Get a message of "no one can torture people right except for Jack" kind of thing?
If you mean Wershing, I was thinking the same thing. She seemed almost clueless on the techniques of torture. She's liable to kill someone before reaping the benefits. Plus, for some reason, I can deal with a member of CTU doing this before an FBI officer.

Conn Seanery

01-13-2009, 03:11 PM

I find it weird that in IMDB they do not list 24 as one of her credits. I am not sure who you could be referring to.
Ever Carradine is playing Erica, the woman who offered to help Sean Hillinger (the perpetually P.O.'d FBI tech guy played by Rhys Coiro.) If you coughed or sneezed during the episode you might've missed her.

cosmoboy

01-13-2009, 03:53 PM

Am I the only one thinking Pope's enhanced interrogation is going to backfire horribly for her? Get a message of "no one can torture people right except for Jack" kind of thing?

I thought the same thing when she first started, but hell she came out of the room with a smile and the information she needed. Maybe by the end of the day CTU will be reinstated and she'll come aboard?

Jared

01-13-2009, 04:15 PM

If you mean Wershing, I was thinking the same thing. She seemed almost clueless on the techniques of torture. She's liable to kill someone before reaping the benefits. Plus, for some reason, I can deal with a member of CTU doing this before an FBI officer.

Probably because CTU is (or was) a fictional agency, while we know what the FBI is and what they're about. We tend to think of FBI agents as cops, or paranoid alien-chasers, not the last line of defense against super terrorists.

I think the White House mole is the Secret Service agent assigned to the First Husband.

BTW, any comic-book character amalgam names spotted yet? We've had Charles Logan and Hal Gardner in previous years, there's got to be somebody they'll sneak in. I'm always looking out for an agent Steve Parker, or secretary Diana Lance.

Ever Carradine is playing Erica, the woman who offered to help Sean Hillinger (the perpetually P.O.'d FBI tech guy played by Rhys Coiro.) If you coughed or sneezed during the episode you might've missed her.

She may be important later, or she may end up like Andrea Thompson's character from Season 3, who even though she had some sort of history with Jack, just disappeared as the day went on.
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mr.brighteyes

01-13-2009, 06:33 PM

Yeah I recognised the blone but I wasn't sure what I know her from. Has she been anyone in anything major.

I'm thinking its the Secretary of State and maybe the blonde. I like Janeanne Garofalo's acting in this. She is really stepping away from her usual personality for this role.

Conn Seanery

01-13-2009, 07:26 PM

Looks like she's done a fair bit of TV work, I only remember her from Commander In Chief (Geena Davis was the President).

mr.brighteyes

01-13-2009, 10:10 PM

Looks like she's done a fair bit of TV work, I only remember her from Commander In Chief (Geena Davis was the President).

Yeah I was looking at her resume and I remembered her from that and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

StoneGold

01-13-2009, 10:23 PM

I thought the same thing when she first started, but hell she came out of the room with a smile and the information she needed. Maybe by the end of the day CTU will be reinstated and she'll come aboard?

She got information. That doesn't mean it's right.

Although I also know they've made a point in the promotion of mentioning that some of the cast and crew have been complaining about the overuse of the torture.

The Black Guardian

01-13-2009, 10:52 PM

She got information. That doesn't mean it's right.
We know it's right. The info she got was that the ambassador was a target, and he was. Were it not for that, they wouldn't have been able to get into the panic room.

StoneGold

01-13-2009, 11:05 PM

We know it's right. The info she got was that the ambassador was a target, and he was. Were it not for that, they wouldn't have been able to get into the panic room.

I swear there was some other info in there as well. I dunno, was only half paying attention.

cosmoboy

01-14-2009, 01:44 AM

She got information. That doesn't mean it's right.

Although I also know they've made a point in the promotion of mentioning that some of the cast and crew have been complaining about the overuse of the torture.

Well looking back I realize that whether she got information or not, it had little to do with your original question.(I have a tendency to make up my own questions) So yes, I think it will backfire on her eventually. Or she'll realize she's not cut from the same cloth Jack is.

LtMarvel

01-14-2009, 11:49 AM

Ok, missed the first half hour (being my birthday and all) Monday. Why did Jack decide to break Tony out?

C.O. Jones

01-14-2009, 01:27 PM

Ok, missed the first half hour (being my birthday and all) Monday. Why did Jack decide to break Tony out?

Tony riled Jack up with talk about how he failed in his wife's (Teri) death. Jack flies off the handle, grabs Tony. Tony's close enough to whisper something under his breath. Jack uses the info, uses Tony's cell and finds out that Buchanan and Tony are working together.

Omega Alpha

01-14-2009, 04:21 PM

The season begun pretty well, I think. S06 was just too exaggerated, but this one is so far more down to Earth. I also like the idea of this small group working together outside of the government.

Stephen Moreno

01-14-2009, 05:15 PM

The season begun pretty well, I think. S06 was just too exaggerated, but this one is so far more down to Earth. I also like the idea of this small group working together outside of the government.

I agree the constant twists of "it's his BROTHER!" and "OH NO IT'S JACK'S DAD!" got really, really lame. Granted, bringing back Tony from the dead is a stretch as well, but it's plausible and as long as we don't have any twists like last season, I think we're in for an enjoyable ride of Jack shooting people who look different than him.

Jared

01-14-2009, 07:37 PM

I agree the constant twists of "it's his BROTHER!" and "OH NO IT'S JACK'S DAD!" got really, really lame. Granted, bringing back Tony from the dead is a stretch as well, but it's plausible and as long as we don't have any twists like last season, I think we're in for an enjoyable ride of Jack shooting people who look different than him.

Hey now, don't go implying that Jack discriminates. He shoots just as many white folk as any other group. (He just doesn't enjoy it as much) :evilsmile:

Shades0077

01-15-2009, 12:26 AM

I watched the Redemption movie right before the new season started on Sunday, so all that stuff was fresh in my mind, and seems to tie together pretty well. I'm hoping that they show Dubaku as having some kind of scar or something from being so close to the landmine that blew up. I couldn't believe that he had survived. I was surprised that the President's son was already dead. It seemed like in the movie they were setting him up to be an important piece in the season, like he would be looking into the conspiracy. Guess not.

FanboyStranger, thanks for pointing out that Hillinger played Walsh on Entourage. It was really bothering me that I couldn't recognize who he was.

One thing that is bothering me is the First Couple. The President just seems like a wishy washy wet blanket. Daniels must have really screwed up his campaign to lose to her. And the First Gentleman seems like a milksop little twit. The Chief of Staff certainly seems to think so anyway, the way they were protecting him from the son's "suicide" and not wanting him to talk to that reporter.

I miss David Palmer. The AllState commericals just don't cut it for me.

Also, regarding the FBI mole, we already saw him, didn't we? The guy that helped Tanner get out of the building? I mean, the fact that he said "Tony sent me to get you out." doesn't leave much room for doubt.

mr.brighteyes

01-15-2009, 02:03 AM

Jared

01-15-2009, 04:37 PM

Good point on the FBI mole but I don't think he is the only one.

Yeah, I thought that guy was just a field agent, I got the impression that based on the information that was leaked, the really important mole had to be somebody in the office that we've seen. I thought the bad guys said something about "our people in the FBI", in reference to whether or not they could break Tony out.

Is everybody in agreement that Chloe must be funding the secret CTU operation via cyber crime?

AlistairCrane

01-17-2009, 12:18 PM

I started out liking Renee until she went all psycho-bitch in the last episode; now I hope she's the first to die.

kalorama

01-19-2009, 12:27 AM

Seeing Ever Carradine as an FBI employee (don't think she's actually an agent, per se) is kind of odd. I've seen her in any number of things in the past decade and she almost always plays some variation on a flighty hippie chick kind of character. I tend to think she may be the mole, just because of the against type casting.

The Black Guardian

01-19-2009, 03:33 AM

n m........

Kid Kamikaze10

01-19-2009, 11:24 AM

I started out liking Renee until she went all psycho-bitch in the last episode; now I hope she's the first to die.

I hope she stays. I really like her. It's like she's dealing with a compressed version of Jack's journey to madness.

AlistairCrane

01-19-2009, 08:16 PM

That's what you get for being a torturer, kiddo. 'Tho Jack could've been a little more humane and not buried her alive.

The Black Guardian

01-19-2009, 10:34 PM

That's what you get for being a torturer, kiddo. 'Tho Jack could've been a little more humane and not buried her alive.
Jack was being as humane as conceivably possible, and it's probably going to get him and Tony in trouble.

StoneGold

01-19-2009, 10:58 PM

I have three thoughts. One, this is one of Jack's stupidest plans ever. Two, I want Aaron to randomly pop up and cap the newbie SS agent. Three, I wanted Jack to go "You got a little something on your face there" before shoveling more dirt on her head, Ash style.

AlistairCrane

01-20-2009, 06:19 AM

Jack was being as humane as conceivably possible, and it's probably going to get him and Tony in trouble.

He could've shot her so she died instantly.

kalorama

01-20-2009, 02:48 PM

That's what you get for being a torturer, kiddo. 'Tho Jack could've been a little more humane and not buried her alive.

It's not like he had a choice. If he hadn't, then his new boss would have wasted him and Tony on the spot. And it also would have looked kind of suspicious if, after shooting her in the head and dumping her in a ditch, he pumped another "courtesy bullet" into her before burying her.

On a different topic . . If the stuff the President's husband drank was a "muscle paralytic" shouldn't it have paralyzed his eye muscles? They seemed pretty active.

StoneGold

01-20-2009, 03:14 PM

It's not like he had a choice. If he hadn't, then his new boss would have wasted him and Tony on the spot. And it also would have looked kind of suspicious if, after shooting her in the head and dumping her in a ditch, he pumped another "courtesy bullet" into her before burying her.

On a different topic . . If the stuff the President's husband drank was a "muscle paralytic" shouldn't it have paralyzed his eye muscles? They seemed pretty active.

Made me believe the stuff wasn't working like it should.

The Black Guardian

01-20-2009, 06:10 PM

He could've shot her so she died instantly.
How's that humane, when she can easily survive her current predicament? Jack didn't foresee Emerson ordering him to bury her. He thought she could just lay there until Emerson and crew drove away.

kalorama

01-20-2009, 06:56 PM

Exactly. The whole point was that he was trying not to kill her. He faked shooting her in the head and she faked dying, so she could live through it. Jack being ordered to bury the body threw a wrinkle into it that he wasn't expecting. At that point, it was too late to shoot her again because that would have tipped the fact that he didn't kill her in the first place.

mr.brighteyes

01-20-2009, 07:29 PM

Oh please the dirt on top of her isn't enough to keep her down. Especially with the plastic keeping it from getting in her nose and mouth. This is Nina Meyers 2.0

Who's the dark haired guy who took Carly Pope into "Protective Custody" Was he in the movie. I was pretty sure the first gentlemen's ss guy was ging to kill hm in but it's kind of disappointing. I bet sherry palmer is looking up from hell and laughing her butt off. you know when she isn't screaming in pain from how hot it is down there.

and the one fbi guy and blondy were having an affair. yeah she is evil. he is to incompetant to be evil and you know one of them have to be.

Cudos once again to Janeane Garofalo. She has really stepped up her acting to break out of her past type casting.

Jared

01-20-2009, 07:34 PM

She isn't bound, she isn't knocked out. Shouldn't be likely be able to just dig herself out? Hell, she could be making room for herself while they're burying her. Methos (can't remember the character's name, and I keep wanting to call him Ambrose) isn't exactly nearby.

The Mutt

01-20-2009, 07:36 PM

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/Page_1_2-5.jpg

kalorama

01-20-2009, 07:42 PM

She's bleeding from a wound that, while not immediately fatal, is of indeterminate severity, covered by a thick sheet of plastic that's certainly choking off her air, and buried under what will probably end up being a few feet of dirt. I have no doubt that she'll survive, but I doubt she'll be digging herself out. My guess is that Jack finds some way to tip someone at the FBI to her location (possibly by dialing the office on his phone and dropping it at the site so they can track the location).

kalorama

01-20-2009, 07:44 PM

Cudos once again to Janeane Garofalo. She has really stepped up her acting to break out of her past type casting.

Can't say I see it. I find her unspeakably annoying, esp. since she's essentially playing the role of Chloe light.

AlistairCrane

01-20-2009, 08:20 PM

How's that humane, when she can easily survive her current predicament? Jack didn't foresee Emerson ordering him to bury her. He thought she could just lay there until Emerson and crew drove away.

No she won't. The silent clock means she's dead (just desserts, IMO..).

StoneGold

01-20-2009, 08:49 PM

And then there's the revelation that her boss has a thing for her. Ye gods, does any government agency have any degree of professionalism?

The Black Guardian

01-20-2009, 09:23 PM

No she won't. The silent clock means she's dead (just desserts, IMO..).
We know she's not dead.
She's bleeding from a wound that, while not immediately fatal, is of indeterminate severity, covered by a thick sheet of plastic that's certainly choking off her air, and buried under what will probably end up being a few feet of dirt. I have no doubt that she'll survive, but I doubt she'll be digging herself out. My guess is that Jack finds some way to tip someone at the FBI to her location (possibly by dialing the office on his phone and dropping it at the site so they can track the location).
She's bleeding from a flesh wound, covered by a rather thin sheet of plastic that's creating an air bubble beneath the few inches of dirt she's buried underneath. She'll be out in no time flat once Emerson's crew leaves.

jdwrocks

01-20-2009, 09:34 PM

We know she's not dead.

She's bleeding from a flesh wound, covered by a rather thin sheet of plastic that's creating an air bubble beneath the few inches of dirt she's buried underneath. She'll be out in no time flat once Emerson's crew leaves.
The flesh wound reminds me of "For A Few Dollars More" Hell Yeah 24 go all Spaghetti Western on us.

kalorama

01-20-2009, 10:02 PM

We know she's not dead.

She's bleeding from a flesh wound, covered by a rather thin sheet of plastic that's creating an air bubble beneath the few inches of dirt she's buried underneath. She'll be out in no time flat once Emerson's crew leaves.

The plastic sheeting they use on construction sites is meant to protect the construction materials from the elements during down times. It's actually rather thick, thicker than can be easily torn with bare hands. And the the ditch she was tossed in was easily a few feet deep, and if they were only going to cover her with a "few inches of dirt" then it really wouldn't make much sense to take the time out to bury her in the first place (the whole point of which is to keep her body from being discovered before they have time to execute their plan). To say nothing of the fact that if they weren't planning on covering her more thoroughly (A) it would make their boss suspicious and (B) there'd be no need for the worried looks on the faces of Bauer and Almead as they shoveled the dirt on to her.

The Black Guardian

01-20-2009, 10:20 PM

The plastic sheeting they use on construction sites is meant to protect the construction materials from the elements during down times. It's actually rather thick, thicker than can be easily torn with bare hands. And the the ditch she was tossed in was easily a few feet deep, and if they were only going to cover her with a "few inches of dirt" then it really wouldn't make much sense to take the time out to bury her in the first place (the whole point of which is to keep her body from being discovered before they have time to execute their plan). To say nothing of the fact that if they weren't planning on covering her more thoroughly (A) it would make their boss suspicious and (B) there'd be no need for the worried looks on the faces of Bauer and Almead as they shoveled the dirt on to her.
I'm on construction sites nearly every day. I know how thick it is: not much. She doesn't even need to tear it in order to get out. They were only trying to hide the body, and they're in a rush to get going. A few inches is enough.

AlistairCrane

01-20-2009, 10:21 PM

We know she's not dead.

How do you know that? Have you seen next week's episode?

The Black Guardian

01-20-2009, 10:35 PM

No, I haven't seen next week's episode, but there have been previews shown of future episodes that have her in it. In one, she was working with Chloe.

kalorama

01-20-2009, 10:39 PM

I'm on construction sites nearly every day. I know how thick it is: not much. She doesn't even need to tear it in order to get out. They were only trying to hide the body, and they're in a rush to get going. A few inches is enough.

Semantics all around. I'm not claiming it's inches thick, but it's certainly thicker than something you could easily tear with your bare hands (like Saran Wrap), especially while buried alive.

But, as i said, given all of that, I'm fully convinced she survives.

AlistairCrane

01-20-2009, 11:16 PM

I guess she can live now. Being shot and buried alive is enough punishment for being a torturer. Hopefully she doesn't do it again.

Jared

01-20-2009, 11:39 PM

I guess she can live now. Being shot and buried alive is enough punishment for being a torturer. Hopefully she doesn't do it again.

Hmmm...is all the shitty stuff that happens to Jack just karmic payback for his torturin' ways? If so, after the China thing with him and Audrey, he could probably go electrocute a couple sets of gonads this season and still be in the clear.

And then there's the revelation that her boss has a thing for her. Ye gods, does any government agency have any degree of professionalism?

If there's one thing to be learned from this show, it's that the working counter-terrorism makes people incredibly horny. Even Chloe had a booty call with an underling.

mr.brighteyes

01-21-2009, 10:54 AM

Everyone dates someone from work its not limited to counter intelligence.

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 11:31 AM

Everyone dates someone from work its not limited to counter intelligence.

Some of us know not to dip pens in company ink. Who wants to be around the person they're banging 24/7? The thing is, name me a person in counter intelligence not engaged in inter-agency relations.

mr.brighteyes

01-21-2009, 11:44 AM

Edger wasn't

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 01:25 PM

Edger wasn't

Because Edgar was a gay fat bald load whom no one loved. But I'm sure it wasn't for him not trying - he's just a fat bald load, with limited options given his sexual orientation.

The Mutt

01-21-2009, 01:46 PM

Edgar? Gay? Didn't he have the love jones for Chloe?

AlistairCrane

01-21-2009, 01:49 PM

Edgar? Gay? Didn't he have the love jones for Chloe?

He did.

Also, Edgar was too fat and ugly to be gay.

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Edgar? Gay? Didn't he have the love jones for Chloe?

Nah, he was just her fag hag.

Seriously, watch the eps again, he was more worried about Chloe and her relationships than him having a shot at Chloe.

AlistairCrane

01-21-2009, 01:54 PM

Nah, he was just her fag hag.

Seriously, watch the eps again, he was more worried about Chloe and her relationships than him having a shot at Chloe.

WTF? You clearly don't know what a fag hag is, and your comments are borderline homophobia and hate speech.

A "fag hag" is a straight WOMAN who tends to hang exclusively with gay men.

Jared

01-21-2009, 03:38 PM

I thought Edgar had a thing for Chloe.

I never thought Edgar was gay. He may have been unusually close to his mother, but that seems to happen with a lot of fat ugly guys. Even more so if they're Italian.

As for how many intra agency relationships, let's see...
Jack and Nina
Tony and Nina
Tony and Michelle
Bill and Michelle
Chase and Kim
Chloe and some tech guy
Chloe and her ex husband, who became her husband again? Whatever happened to him?
FBI tech guy and Blonde tech woman (and he's married, scumbag)
Curtis and Aisha Tyler's character.

Am I missing anybody? I don't count Jack and Audrey, as I believe she worked for the Pentagon, not CTU.

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Am I missing anybody? I don't Jack and Audrey, as I believe she worked for the Pentagon, not CTU.

No, although her level of liaisoning with CTU probably provided a significant conflict of interest.

Still, you're talking about damn near every agent on the show, not counting, what, the original boss (who was bald and ugly, who would have him?) and Mikey from Goonies.

AlistairCrane

01-21-2009, 03:51 PM

Chloe and her ex husband, who became her husband again? Whatever happened to him?

Not sure how spoilery you want to get, but we'll find out this season.

The Mutt

01-21-2009, 03:52 PM

I'll grant you that Edgar was fat, but ugly? He was a teddy bear!

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 03:53 PM

WTF? You clearly don't know what a fag hag is, and your comments are borderline homophobia and hate speech.

A "fag hag" is a straight WOMAN who tends to hang exclusively with gay men.

Mixing up my nouns isn't exactly hate speech. I'll admit, what I meant to say was she was his fag hag. But that's more about straight white women than it is about gays. Please tell me how referencing women who exclusively have gay male friends is hate speech. Inform me.

AlistairCrane

01-21-2009, 03:55 PM

Mixing up my nouns isn't exactly hate speech. I'll admit, what I meant to say was she was his fag hag. But that's more about straight white women than it is about gays. Please tell me how referencing women who exclusively have gay male friends is hate speech. Inform me.

Because at the time it sounded like you were referring to Edgar as the fag hag. But now that you've pointed out you mixed up, I will withdraw my statement. Sorry!

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 07:48 PM

Because at the time it sounded like you were referring to Edgar as the fag hag. But now that you've pointed out you mixed up, I will withdraw my statement. Sorry!

No, that was just me posting it while not thinking enough.

And hell, I'll even admit that most of the Edgar is Gay talk was just messageboard chatter at the time. While the obvious move was that he had the hots for Chloe, there were more than a few moments where it seemed he was being more platonicly possessive of her.Subtext, but more than a few people were picking up on it.

In any event, he was still a fat bald load, and therefor unlovable in a world of pretty, pretty spies, and whatever Chloe is, exactly. She's a Daywalker - she can walk between both worlds.

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 07:50 PM

I'll grant you that Edgar was fat, but ugly? He was a teddy bear!

Which goes towards my gay theory. But more to the point, the people who are into bears are usually guys with that fetish. And obviously, I'm being ridiculous, but in comparison to the rest of CTU, visually, he was a cancerous tumor you find on your genitalia.

Blueferret

01-21-2009, 08:26 PM

The worst part about the show being in D.C. this year is the lack of threat from "Division". That was always fun.:biggrin:

StoneGold

01-21-2009, 08:34 PM

The worst part about the show being in D.C. this year is the lack of threat from "Division". That was always fun.:biggrin:

I always wondered, division of what?

The Black Guardian

01-21-2009, 10:14 PM

I always wondered, division of what?
Division of CTU, of course.

AlistairCrane

01-22-2009, 09:41 AM

I actually find the change of setting to be remarkably refreshing. Is Vancouver doubling for Washington instead of LA now, though? (Obviously some scenes must be on location)

cosmoboy

01-22-2009, 06:22 PM

I like the new location too. It get's rid of the whole 'the President is in L.A at the worst possible time...again' thing. It also adds a 'if Jack's in town, everyone is in danger' type thing. I suspect we'll get all the other issues as well, with Jack navigating the D.C area in record time. Now I'm being negative, probably due to prolonged exposure to message boards.Next season will be the last,I'd like to see them do it in an entirely new place.

mr.brighteyes

01-26-2009, 11:38 PM

tjarvis

01-26-2009, 11:43 PM

Wow no comments on tonights episode yet.FBI girl is alive and well. Sadley Carly Pope is not so much. The first Gentlemen is alive and his secret service agent is gone bye bye.

Dubako crashes two planes over a washington howsing development when the president doesn't pull out of what ever the hell country they were in. Jack and tony kill the two guys they were working with and at least one of the guys who came to pick up the other black guy and his wife.

Good episode.

I know I'm just being paranoid, but I have a suspicion that Peter Wingfield's character isn't as dead as we think he is. Just as he helped fake Tony's death, I think Tony is faking his and letting him go.

Then again, this show tends to breed paranoia.

StoneGold

01-26-2009, 11:47 PM

So wait, this was all an offshoot of Robocop's gang? Which means he was actually working for Emil, who was Jack's brother, who was working for Jack's Dad? Is this all just the splinter cell operations of Jack's family's evil machinations?

mr.brighteyes

01-27-2009, 12:30 AM

I know I'm just being paranoid, but I have a suspicion that Peter Wingfield's character isn't as dead as we think he is. Just as he helped fake Tony's death, I think Tony is faking his and letting him go.

Then again, this show tends to breed paranoia.

I watched a whole season of it once then came on cbr to find out someone was replacing their past posts with the numbers 1234567890. it freaked me the hell out.

Was wayne the pres the same year that jacks brother was the bad guy cause I totally spaced on him being president and how that came about. that was quite an election process. also what year is it in jack bauer land like 2014 or something like that.

LtMarvel

01-27-2009, 05:51 AM

Must ...Keep....Suspension of Disbelief...

None of the good guys know that Tony's body was missing....

I'm going to go throw the mail just before I go into hiding...

Between :59 of last episode and :01 of this episode Jack had time to completely bury the FBI agent, call his partners with information on where she is, and the partners had time to travel to the crime site...all without Tony's "brother" finding out.

AlistairCrane

01-27-2009, 06:55 AM

Between :59 of last episode and :01 of this episode Jack had time to completely bury the FBI agent, call his partners with information on where she is, and the partners had time to travel to the crime site...all without Tony's "brother" finding out.

Um, actually, the recap at the beginning of the episode counts as part of the real time factor, I believe.

kalorama

01-27-2009, 07:04 AM

As expected, Agent Walker was rescued (and didn't dig herself out).

Killing Carly Pope was a surprise and a bit disappointing. The whole subplot with the Prez's husband seems like a bit much.

The Mutt

01-27-2009, 07:15 AM

That was a particularly long "previously on..."

So they finally get around to blowing up something big, but they do it low budget. Disappointing. The fireball in the sky was a nice image, though.

What is this show's obsession with neck wounds? Agent Freckles has already been choked out, shot in the neck and suffocated. Tony shoots his pal in the neck. The First Dude chokes a bitch.

The President and her underlings need to STFU already. It would be bad enough if they had that same conversation just once an hour, but they go on and on inside the same hour!

Dubaku's next target: Smallville.

LtMarvel

01-27-2009, 08:05 AM

Um, actually, the recap at the beginning of the episode counts as part of the real time factor, I believe.
Okay between :59 and :05 then..."Excuse me terrorist boss who doesn't trust me. I gotta make a call," says Jack.

mr.brighteyes

01-27-2009, 09:23 AM

I kind of assumed it was a covert call like jack dialing and then mentioning their location over and open phone. that plus there is the strong possibility that Jack or Tony has an ear bud in

The Black Guardian

01-27-2009, 03:43 PM

Um, actually, the recap at the beginning of the episode counts as part of the real time factor, I believe.
That, plus the fact that Jack and Tony are wearing bugs, so Shadow-CTU knew where they were the whole time.

LtMarvel

01-27-2009, 04:37 PM

Were they?

The dialogue said "Jack said she was somewhere near " type stuff. So he just mentioned something like "I can't believe we buried her next to the ditch digging machine. She's under loose dirt."

yeah that wouldn't raise eyebrows...

Jared

01-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Must ...Keep....Suspension of Disbelief...

None of the good guys know that Tony's body was missing....

It was mentioned a couple eps back that someone else was buried in Tony's grave. The FBI dug it up after they got a photo of him.

I wondered why Tony shot Emmerson in the neck. He was good enough to tag his gun-arm just seconds before, he could have put one in his shoulder.

I didn't think the recap counts as part of the time, since the episode starts right at the beginning of the hour, doesn't it? They didn't seem to bury Renee very deep at all. I'm guessing she only ran out of air because of the plastic. Bad thinking there, Jack. Also, being shot and buried really did a number on the poor woman, she looked ten years older all of a sudden.

It's funny how President Taylor's cabinet is the opposite of Palmer's from season 3. IIRC, they were all "You can't comply with the terrorists no matter what", while he decided he had to to save thousands of lives. Whereas everybody who spoke up with Taylor was telling her to give in.

I assume Jack did some covert texting ala The Departed.

The Black Guardian

01-27-2009, 09:45 PM

Were they?
They were. Earlier, she and Bill were listening in when Jack had the first meeting with Emmerson. Chloe got upset at the thought Jack was going to die. Bill told her not to worry, as Tony would handle it, and Jack knew what he was getting into.

And now the ambassador and his wife are getting bugs...

I'm shocked these hi-tech terrorists don't have bug detectors.

Jared

02-02-2009, 08:04 PM

mr.brighteyes

02-02-2009, 08:15 PM

Nice to see Bill kicking some ass alongside Jack and Tony. Speaking of Tony, there's more of a hint that something is not what it seems with him. I'm nervous about Chloe being left alone with him at the CTU hideout.

I'm a little disappointed by the reveal at the end. The way the music was rising, I was expecting Mutobo would open the door and Papa Mutobo would be there. Either that, or it'd be Mandy. Instead...it's his nice civilian girlfriend? Somebody for Jack to threaten once they capture Mutobo, I guess.

Meh I'm not worried about him and chloe. good episode though. It's really fun watching this season with my parents who just don't get it.

Last week my mom made to comment about all they seem to do is shoot each other.

This weeks gem "Well I'm just glad they have a girl at a computer who can tell them where to go in the building.

AlistairCrane

02-04-2009, 10:23 PM

I'm excited for the return of my favourite character later this season. I won't spoil anything by saying who it is, but I will say I'm excited.

kalorama

02-04-2009, 11:02 PM

Nice to see Bill kicking some ass alongside Jack and Tony. Speaking of Tony, there's more of a hint that something is not what it seems with him. I'm nervous about Chloe being left alone with him at the CTU hideout.

I'm a little disappointed by the reveal at the end. The way the music was rising, I was expecting Mutobo would open the door and Papa Mutobo would be there. Either that, or it'd be Mandy. Instead...it's his nice civilian girlfriend? Somebody for Jack to threaten once they capture Mutobo, I guess.

Some nice civilian girl who apparently doesn't watch the news or read a newspaper. The situation in Songala is all over the news. You'd think she would recognize Dibaku.

Kid Kamikaze10

02-04-2009, 11:05 PM

Some nice civilian girl who apparently doesn't watch the news or read a newspaper. The situation in Songala is all over the news. You'd think she would recognize Dibaku.

You'd be surprised how many idi... People don't read/watch/listen to current events in America.

kalorama

02-04-2009, 11:08 PM

No, actually, I wouldn't.

Kid Kamikaze10

02-04-2009, 11:30 PM

Heh....

Nevermind then...

:D

mr.brighteyes

02-05-2009, 06:15 AM

Some nice civilian girl who apparently doesn't watch the news or read a newspaper. The situation in Songala is all over the news. You'd think she would recognize Dibaku.

Meh they all look the same :eek:

jessecuster3

02-05-2009, 08:24 AM

I am not sure Dibaku would even have been on the news. He is not the main guy, just a background guy working for Juma. I don't think anyone knew who he was until "today".

Jared

02-05-2009, 07:22 PM

I'm excited for the return of my favourite character later this season. I won't spoil anything by saying who it is, but I will say I'm excited.

I'm always hoping for Mandy. But it will probably be Chloe's husband or something.

mr.brighteyes

02-05-2009, 07:30 PM

I'm always hoping for Mandy. But it will probably be Chloe's husband or something.

Oh dude Mandy would be amazing. I love Mandy. Morris would be fine to though.

AlistairCrane

02-05-2009, 10:23 PM

I'm always hoping for Mandy. But it will probably be Chloe's husband or something.

Hehe, nope. While I like both, and one of them is indeed returning, neither of them is my favourite character.

Jared

02-05-2009, 10:37 PM

Hehe, nope. While I like both, and one of them is indeed returning, neither of them is my favourite character.

Aaron? Charles Logan? Wayne Palmer? Daniels? Chase? Nadia? Secretary Raines? Kim? The Cougar?

Ok, don't really have to answer if it's a spoiler...

AlistairCrane

02-05-2009, 10:42 PM

Aaron? Charles Logan? Wayne Palmer? Daniels? Chase? Nadia? Secretary Raines? Kim? The Cougar?

Ok, don't really have to answer if it's a spoiler...

Well, it's for sure one of them. I guess it's a spoiler, although the answers can be found on Wikipedia and fansites.

Shades0077

02-05-2009, 11:43 PM

The First Gentleman is the new Kim Bauer. Are there any mountain lions in the greater DC area?

mr.brighteyes

02-06-2009, 05:44 AM

I totally agree. He's such a loser.

Jared

02-06-2009, 05:38 PM

I totally agree. He's such a loser.

A loser who had to pry his own hand off the throat of the man he killed. How many First Spouses can say that?

cosmoboy

02-06-2009, 06:52 PM

OOOOh I hope it's chase with a cyborg hand!!! Or the cougar, now working for the FBI.

Kid Kamikaze10

02-06-2009, 06:58 PM

OOOOh I hope it's chase with a cyborg hand!!! Or the cougar, now working for the FBI.

Both with soul patches, to show that they've gone through some tough times...

AlistairCrane

02-06-2009, 10:05 PM

There can only be one Kim Bauer, and she is awesome.

Jared

02-07-2009, 04:48 PM

...Only when she runs, which is often.

Mike Smith

02-09-2009, 03:10 PM

Wow, Jack Bauer really loves freedom. And I see he passed the freedom gene of goodness down to Kim.

The Black Guardian

02-10-2009, 01:37 AM

Able to convince the President, get information on a good lead, convince the FBI guy, get across DC traffic, have a brief meeting with the FBI guy, and get across DC traffic again, all by the bottom of the hour. Nice!

At least he got the info out of his one good lead... pity he had to kill him a few minutes later. Oops.

At least he got to the First Gentleman... a few seconds after he was shot in the torso. Oops.

I wonder just how far Agent Walker would have gone... infanticide? Is she coming across as a little too easily turned to Jack's ways? I don't think Jack would have gone after a baby, though, but she scared me this episode.

Boy, those decoys sure didn't last long, eh?

mr.brighteyes

02-10-2009, 06:04 AM

I don't think he is dead. I'm really liking this season.

Seraku

02-10-2009, 03:28 PM

well the next episode seems to center on the president being distracted while the husband is undergoing surgery

I'm guessing he won't die, but that at least something big will happen because the president isn't as attentive as she's expected to be

Omega Alpha

02-10-2009, 07:32 PM

Donald M.

02-10-2009, 07:51 PM

Wow, Jack Bauer really loves freedom.

He loves it like Ike loved Tina.

mr.brighteyes

02-10-2009, 07:54 PM

You mean Teri or Nina

DrakeJondrew

02-10-2009, 10:22 PM

Ok. So unfortunately I don't have time to catch up on this whole thread; however, I just wanted to say that 24 has been a series that I've been in and out on.

I started watching it at the beginning, then missed seasons, then watched one, then missed some and am back again in full force this season (it seems I always get into series too late :P)

Anyway, I've heard from lots of friends who have watched 24 from season 1, and they say I'm missing a lot by CTU no longer being part of the show. As I've only watched it a couple seasons, I feel like its very similar (and as good) as the other seasons I've watched.

Thoughts?

mr.brighteyes

02-11-2009, 06:14 AM

Get the dvds man, im not sure which seasons you missed but all of them were great.

DrakeJondrew

02-11-2009, 11:02 AM

I don't feel like renting them or shelling out the cash to buy, so trying to find a friend who has them all and is willing to loan them to me. :P

Conn Seanery

02-11-2009, 11:42 AM

I don't know, don't writers realize nobody really cares about the president of the season, the first gentleman, and fictional African/ Middle-Eastern countries? What people care about is JACK BAUER, DAMN IT! (and Tony, Chloe and Bill to a lesser extent)? I hope someone blows the White House and the Sangela or whatever country soon. More Jack!
If they never deviated from Jack it'd be a pretty boring show. It allows them to cut things that aren't always important to watch, like travel or someone doing research on their computer. Or even speed it up, in some cases.

Spastic Minnow

02-11-2009, 12:42 PM

Thoughts-

WTF is up with the Dubaku girlfriend storyline? How can that be relevant in the least? At most he would need her to maybe get access to a safehouse or something- but mainly I do not see how his lovelife has to do with his ethnic cleasing plans.

And in other booty call news.
Beautiful blonde not able to resist snarky computer geekboy's sexual allures during a terrorism threat? Are they jerking us around here? She's either an obvious mole or a red herring to make us think she's a mole. How many times have they used this plotline? Secret lover = double agent- duh. I certainly hope they can do something different with the formula this time.

The Black Guardian

02-11-2009, 12:57 PM

Thoughts-

WTF is up with the Dubaku girlfriend storyline? How can that be relevant in the least? At most he would need her to maybe get access to a safehouse or something- but mainly I do not see how his lovelife has to do with his ethnic cleasing plans.
How is it not relevant?! They're trying to find Dubaku. The girlfriend is a lead. She's only just been introduced, but will likely be very important to finding him. Also, the girlfriend's family seems to have connections. They were able to get information on him. The rabbit hole might go fairly deep on this one.
And in other booty call news.
Beautiful blonde not able to resist snarky computer geekboy's sexual allures during a terrorism threat? Are they jerking us around here? She's either an obvious mole or a red herring to make us think she's a mole. How many times have they used this plotline? Secret lover = double agent- duh. I certainly hope they can do something different with the formula this time.
Yeah.

kalorama

02-11-2009, 01:00 PM

Conn Seanery

02-11-2009, 01:11 PM

The Black Guardian

02-11-2009, 01:20 PM

kalorama

02-11-2009, 01:24 PM

It was a minor thing, but I thought it was funny that Jack has an innate sense of determining where someone else's car is. He takes the FBI guy's keys, and just walks right to it. No hints at all or a "Hey, it's the gray one over there, by the way" or anything.

Jack's a career employee of a Federal intelligence agency. Not surprising he would be able to pick a Fed's car out of the lineup. (The bad guys always seem to be able to in shows/movies like this.) Or Agent Walker could have pointed it out as they were driving up. As in:

Bauer" Do you see him?

Walker: "No, but that's his car. Wait, there he is."

The Black Guardian

02-11-2009, 01:35 PM

Another thing to consider about the keys/car: Just press the alarm remote and you can tell which car is his.

DrakeJondrew

02-11-2009, 02:05 PM

The Dubaku girlfriend storyline is very odd. There are a few things I can think about this though

1) When I first saw Dubaku and the gf scene, it made me go from "damn. He's a guy who hides in a secret area committing these acts" to "damn. He's a guy who hides in a secret area committing these acts -- but its worse because he's also hiding in American Society."
2) The Dubaku-Girlfriend plot was created because they needed a way for him to get out of basement (other than something like "i'm going to go get a coffee)
3) The Dubaku-Girlfriend storyline will develop. As mentioned above, perhaps there is something else going to happen with the girlfriend's parents
4) It could just be a pointless storyline.

Also - what were people's opinions about the finger thing? Personally, when things aren't shown on camera, I find it much more powerful than when on. The whole finger thing made me go "oh... f***." and get the heebey-jeebeys (or however spelled) :P

mr.brighteyes

02-11-2009, 02:20 PM

My mom asked if they actually cut off the finger or not. She only half pays attention to the show. I explained the whole using the blow torch to close the guys finger with heat. (I can't spell that word)

kalorama

02-11-2009, 02:50 PM

Omega Alpha

02-11-2009, 03:54 PM

If they never deviated from Jack it'd be a pretty boring show. It allows them to cut things that aren't always important to watch, like travel or someone doing research on their computer. Or even speed it up, in some cases.

Of course they have to deviate from him, but they not only introduce too much subplots (WTF is the Dubaku girlfriend) but they also focus more than they should on them. The show should be about Jack, not about Jack and the lady president and the first gentleman.

Conn Seanery

02-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Of course they have to deviate from him, but they not only introduce too much subplots (WTF is the Dubaku girlfriend) but they also focus more than they should on them. The show should be about Jack, not about Jack and the lady president and the first gentleman.
They planted the seeds in 24: Redemption, they're just following up because it's all connected. The Presidency has had a notable history of being tied into the goings on of 24, I don't see how this is any different. The writers obviously want Dubaku to be more exposed than he'd planned, so his girlfriend's overprotective sister is causing a wrinkle in his plans. We've had 6 seasons of stuff like this, none of it is like Kim Bauer being held captive by a crazy survivalist (not yet, anyway.)

Dave Bennett

02-11-2009, 05:38 PM

. . . .perhaps there is something else going to happen with the girlfriend's parents

The gal in the wheelchair was Girlfriend's sister.

Dubaku left his lair to silence her. She seems like a tough number -- I hope she gets the better of him.

How have neither of those women seen his picture in the media??

mr.brighteyes

02-11-2009, 06:54 PM

What word? Cauterize?

Thats actually the word but I was thinking of the wrong one. The word where you melt two pieces of metal together.

kalorama

02-11-2009, 10:15 PM

Thats actually the word but I was thinking of the wrong one. The word where you melt two pieces of metal together.

Fuse? Solder?

mr.brighteyes

02-12-2009, 06:22 AM

Fuse? Solder?

solder I guess but I was trying to spell it sotter. So its either a silent damn l or damn Indiana pronunciation.

LtMarvel

02-15-2009, 12:27 AM

The gal in the wheelchair was Girlfriend's sister.

Dubaku left his lair to silence her. She seems like a tough number -- I hope she gets the better of him.

How have neither of those women seen his picture in the media??

Why would they?

The Black Guardian

02-15-2009, 01:06 AM

Why would they?
Indeed. Even assuming Dubaku's face has been on any media, most people wouldn't pay much attention. Assuming they did, they wouldn't think some guy they met walking down the street in DC was the guy, no matter how much he looked like him. Factor in the romantic angle, and the girl definitely wouldn't.

Honestly, it's a bigger stretch that the girl's aunt would even have the foresight to call someone she knows to get info on him.

kalorama

02-15-2009, 11:09 AM

Honestly, it's a bigger stretch that the girl's aunt would even have the foresight to call someone she knows to get info on him.

Not really. Her suspicions had nothing to do with her knowing anything specifically about what he was involved in. She just thought he was a creep and was looking out for her kid sister. It wouldn't be the first time that someone's friends or family were more observant about a sketchy boyfriend than the girlfriend was.

The Black Guardian

02-15-2009, 02:16 PM

That's just it. She really had nothing to be suspicious about.

kalorama

02-15-2009, 02:45 PM

That's just it. She really had nothing to be suspicious about.

Clearly you've never had a sister who was dating a guy that gave you the creeps.

LtMarvel

02-15-2009, 11:16 PM

That's just it. She really had nothing to be suspicious about.
This guy is paying their rent. I would have him checked out, too.

Jared

02-16-2009, 06:27 AM

I hope there's something more to the gf or her family than we've seen so far. I have a hard time buying that Dubaku, who's been trying to hold the nation hostage all afternoon, would be risking so much just to play nice with a local nurse. He's basically the prince of a Sangala, surely he could have any women he wants back home, and we know he has loads of money to play with in the U.S. It's not as if he needs to go through all the lovey-dovey stuff with some nurse. She's nice looking and all, but it's not like we're talking about Meagan Goode or Kerry Washington here.

Blonde FBI woman is either a traitor with a terrible feel for acting covert, or a borderline Fatal Attraction type with no regard for what's going on around here. Everybody is running around trying to find the people who just killed hundreds of Americans, and to prevent further attacks, and she wants to make plans for her next after-hours rendezvous with a married coworker!

I don't think Renee would have really hurt the kid. Hell, Jack didn't even tell her to really do it. A good job by the actress there, you could see how troubled she was by the whole thing, and how hard she had to hide it.

Is it me, or did Jack's totally cool-looking but probably-unneccessary slide move garner the First Gentlman a bullet to the chest?

The Black Guardian

02-16-2009, 02:48 PM

I hope there's something more to the gf or her family than we've seen so far. I have a hard time buying that Dubaku, who's been trying to hold the nation hostage all afternoon, would be risking so much just to play nice with a local nurse. He's basically the prince of a Sangala, surely he could have any women he wants back home, and we know he has loads of money to play with in the U.S. It's not as if he needs to go through all the lovey-dovey stuff with some nurse. She's nice looking and all, but it's not like we're talking about Meagan Goode or Kerry Washington here.
Yeah, there's probably something.
I don't think Renee would have really hurt the kid. Hell, Jack didn't even tell her to really do it. A good job by the actress there, you could see how troubled she was by the whole thing, and how hard she had to hide it.
Probably. She's still new enough yet that I don't completely trust her. I still fear she's going to unnecessarily go over an edge due to being new at the torture game.

kalorama

02-16-2009, 03:40 PM

Is it me, or did Jack's totally cool-looking but probably-unneccessary slide move garner the First Gentlman a bullet to the chest?

No, because if it weren't for that move, Bauer probably wouldn't have gotten there before the shooter had time to take aim and get off a better shot, maybe more than one.

Jared

02-16-2009, 07:46 PM

"You're a little bitch you know that?"
"You're a little bitch."

Gotta love that FBI professionalism. :biggrin:

How 'Bout This Heat

02-16-2009, 07:58 PM

Wow.
They actually made that FBI analyst guy into a bigger douche.

mr.brighteyes

02-16-2009, 08:03 PM

Aaron Pierce is back and we now know that Sean Hillinger is the mole in the fbi they did a really good job hiding that and making us think that his blond bimbo was the mole.

Plus David Fury and Eyal Podell make appearance's in the show. It's hard to imagine that Executive Producer David Fury's is more than a cameo but hopefully Eyal will stick around for a while. He's been a faveorite of mine since he appeared as Lawson in the Angel episode Why We Fight years ago. He's still my choice for Clark Kent/Superman if they ever replace Routh

kalorama

02-16-2009, 08:09 PM

jdwrocks

02-16-2009, 08:16 PM

I'm a little disappointed that Janice isn't the mole. Honestly, I never thought she was, but I know it's a given that the mole's gonna end up dead, and I was kind of relishing the prospect of seeing Jeneane Garafolo take a slug. At the very least, I hope Chloe delivers her a righteous beatdown.
Or she could deliver the Jack Bauer special neck snap with the legs. Nothing wrong with a womans thighs around another's face. And if death is the result? Bonus nut for me.

mr.brighteyes

02-16-2009, 08:17 PM

I'm a little disappointed that Janice isn't the mole. Honestly, I never thought she was, but I know it's a given that the mole's gonna end up dead, and I was kind of relishing the prospect of seeing Jeneane Garafolo take a slug. At the very least, I hope Chloe delivers her a righteous beatdown.

I will once again reiterate that I like Jeneane Garafolo and her acting in this season. They actually briefly made me think she was the mole when Jack and She-Jack were first captured.

mr.brighteyes

02-16-2009, 08:18 PM

Or she could deliver the Jack Bauer special neck snap with the legs. Nothing wrong with a womans thighs around another's face. And if death is the result? Bonus nut for me.

Dude that was creepy and inappropriate. Keep that sort of thing in the Yabs forum where it belongs.

kalorama

02-16-2009, 08:19 PM

I will once again reiterate that I like Jeneane Garafolo and her acting in this season. They actually briefly made me think she was the mole when Jack and She-Jack were first captured.

To each his own. But I've never found Garafolo to be anything but grating in the extreme, be it as a stand up, a talk show guest, or an actress.

jdwrocks

02-16-2009, 08:34 PM

Dude that was creepy and inappropriate. Keep that sort of thing in the Yabs forum where it belongs.
It's not as innapropriate as a someone who thinks & acts like they are a moderator.

mr.brighteyes

02-16-2009, 08:42 PM

jdwrocks

02-16-2009, 08:46 PM

Thinking and acting like a moderator is not creepy. It's controlling and annoying but not creepy.

I mean seriously did you really have to tell us that you would get off seeing chloe kill Janice with her legs.
Yes I did. And you acting like a Mod is dissrespectful to the moderators who take pride & give up their time to do what you think you can do for them.

GeneralReadingMan

02-16-2009, 09:50 PM

"You're a little bitch you know that?"
"You're a little bitch."

Gotta love that FBI professionalism. :biggrin:

Is it wrong that I've never found Janeane Garofalo more sexy than when she was dressing down the traitor guy. :biggrin:

cosmoboy

02-17-2009, 07:33 PM

Welcome to the intratubes Mr. Brighteyes. I've always liked Garofalo I just don't understand why on a season with Chloe we need another Chloe?

Jared

02-19-2009, 08:46 PM

Welcome to the intratubes Mr. Brighteyes. I've always liked Garofalo I just don't understand why on a season with Chloe we need another Chloe?

I was going to agree that it seems pointless, because they would never kill off Chloe. But then I remembered what show we're talking about...

...Nah, they wouldn't. I think it's just because with so much focus on the FBI, they need a group of characters in roles familiar to the viewer.

jdwrocks

02-19-2009, 10:09 PM

Fingers crossed Audrey doesnt show up. But considering the actress has had 2 TV shows canceled in the last year or so....

mr.brighteyes

02-23-2009, 07:06 PM

Son of a bitch they are both moles. Nice job pulling the wool over our eyes twice producers.

mr.brighteyes

02-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Crafty little bugger isn't he. Chloe doesn't believe him which means Jack's gonna be doing some torturing. Yay Chloe was smarter than the the blond bitch and they caught one of the two FBI moles. Way to go Chloe Jack Bill Tony and new girl.

They are getting ready to arrest the corrupt members in government.

Do you feel that.

C-Cool

02-23-2009, 07:48 PM

This episode just turned the volume up to eleven!

"The next time you pull that gun at me, you better be intending to use it."

"I did!"

I got goosebumps because of that, I admit it.

LtMarvel

02-25-2009, 02:51 PM

Wierd that everything wrapped up midseason. We really hadn't had that since Season 1 episode 13 (writtern purposely that way in case the series didn't picked up for a full season).

I do not know what all these traitors gained by siding with the foriegn dictator.

The Black Guardian

02-25-2009, 04:38 PM

There's still rounding up the conspirators, who I'm sure won't go easily.

kalorama

02-25-2009, 04:50 PM

Son of a bitch they are both moles. Nice job pulling the wool over our eyes twice producers.
Yeah, but they were two of the worst double-agents in double-agent history. Not only was Sean openly discussing his treasonous conspiracy on a cell phone while sitting at his desk in the counter terrorism task force at FBI headquarters but he and Erika were casually chatting about their treasonous activities while strolling the halls, with no apparent attempt to lower their voices. Not too swift.
I do not know what all these traitors gained by siding with the foriegn dictator.
Shitloads of money would be my guess.

Libaax

03-02-2009, 04:43 PM

This must be the best season so far only S4 can get near it.

Its so down to earth,interesting setting with DC and not the eternally hot,yellow looking LA.

Underground CTU,Jack being more hardcore than ever. Jack looking like some fanatic that will sacrifice anyone to get the job done cause of Walker's POV on torture,Jack's other CTU methods.

Its so unpredictable compared to other seasons. Its seems like the other arcs in the story like First Gentleman,Dubaku girlfriend,FBI office etc are actually more than filler used to rest 24 from being 24/7 Jack Bauer.

The female president looks realistic now i must say.

Before with Palmer you thought its too much fantasy to have a black american president. But after Obama,Hillary being not too far behind in the first race a female president in 24 this time you take it like something that will actually happen.

C-Cool

03-02-2009, 06:25 PM

Mr. Mole, you have just been Bauer-shocked.

C-Cool

03-02-2009, 06:50 PM

Renee Walker: On a boat heading straight to mayhem.

Yeah... maybe the loosely armed FBI agent shouldn't be trailing a full scale army unit. Maybe.

C-Cool

03-02-2009, 07:13 PM

How could these dudes invade the White House?

Because the Candyman can.

C-Cool

03-02-2009, 08:00 PM

It's official: Best season since season 4/5.

24 is back.

And next episode is going to put it over the top.

Jared

03-02-2009, 08:05 PM

Belated thoughts from last week. I was half-expecting Jack to just grab Renee and kiss the hell out of her to shut her up during their confrontation. That would have been the ultimate pimp move.

Now then, an underwater tunnel that leads right to the White House? Ok, it's a little more G.I. Joe-ish than I'd prefer, but I've swallowed bigger pills for this show.

Is it just me, or does Senator Mayer seem like he coudl be a stand-in for Harry Reid?

I was certain Bill was about to take a bullet in the head. Phew.

Obviously, Juma will threaten to kill the President's daughter unless she leaves the safe room. I think she'll want to comply, but Jack won't let her, and they'll have to watch the daughter die.

Even if he's not corrupt, this VP might already be worse than Logan.

master of read

03-02-2009, 08:22 PM

damn, this is the best season. baur is getting shit from his own government, despite everything he's doing for the country.

and to think it took candyman to take the white house.

The Black Guardian

03-02-2009, 10:51 PM

Renee Walker: On a boat heading straight to mayhem.

Yeah... maybe the loosely armed FBI agent shouldn't be trailing a full scale army unit. Maybe.
Gotta admit, she handles herself quite well for being a newbie.
It's official: Best season since season 4/5.

24 is back.

And next episode is going to put it over the top.
Yup.
Belated thoughts from last week. I was half-expecting Jack to just grab Renee and kiss the hell out of her to shut her up during their confrontation. That would have been the ultimate pimp move.
Me too.

"Dammit!" *smooch*

Lord of Denial

03-03-2009, 12:16 PM

All I know is I would watch Tony Todd watching Tony Todd watch paint dry.

Dude is just awesome squared.

mr.brighteyes

03-03-2009, 01:33 PM

Wow great episodes. I really thought we were going to lose either Bill or Aaron and I'm glad we didn't. I knew that Head FBI was going to show up just in time to save renee. And yeah VP is annoying. that southern accent is so fame.

Libaax

03-06-2009, 08:58 AM

Truly great ep 12 was.

So much happened. This seasons shows his strenght when even Jack listen to president and lets her make the mistake of coming out to Juma.

Hey i like the VP, i rather see him being a careful coward then just another bad guy VP.

LtMarvel

03-08-2009, 08:35 PM

Libaax

03-09-2009, 07:14 AM

Agent Walker should have started a gun fight as soon as they were getting on the boat. She could've derailed the whole operation.

I do like how Walker's traditional methods are getting some hay. I still dislike how Jack's methods always gets straight hay.

Wonder what the bad guy shipped to the other bad guy...bet we don't find out til next season.

Come on Veep! Don't allow America to be held hostage!

Two hour block was nice. I may do it again on Hulu....

Jack's methods always get straight hay ?

I understand most of your post but i cant make sense of you mean with the hay.

You mean people condeming Jack's methods ?

Walker lost the gun you know before she got on the boat. I liked that she messed up little. How fun it would be if profissional soldiers was stopped by some FBI agent who doesnt look like she has much feild experiance.

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:56 AM

Jack's methods always get straight hay ?

I understand most of your post but i cant make sense of you mean with the hay.

You mean people condeming Jack's methods ?

Walker lost the gun you know before she got on the boat. I liked that she messed up little. How fun it would be if profissional soldiers was stopped by some FBI agent who doesnt look like she has much feild experiance.

I thought she just lost her cell phone. Did she lose both?

jessecuster3

03-09-2009, 09:06 AM

I thought she just lost her cell phone. Did she lose both?

She didn't lose her cell phone, she just got it wet. She lost her gun.

LtMarvel

03-09-2009, 09:20 AM

Jack's methods always get straight hay ?

I understand most of your post but i cant make sense of you mean with the hay.

You mean people condeming Jack's methods ?

Walker lost the gun you know before she got on the boat. I liked that she messed up little. How fun it would be if profissional soldiers was stopped by some FBI agent who doesnt look like she has much feild experiance.
By hay, I mean "accurate information."

I watched on Hulu, so I missed the gun being dropped. (Thank you) However, she should've fired at them as soon as they started on the boat.

Did anyone else think it odd that a dictator would be SCUBA trained?

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:10 PM

Bill Buchanan just sacrificed him self in order to let Jack go after the guy who helped coordinate the attack on the white house.

It makes me sad that he is dead. I hope the actor gets a new gig real soon.

Kid Kamikaze10

03-09-2009, 07:14 PM

And here I thought Aaron was a dead man...

Holy s**t...

Dang, the hits keep coming for Jack...

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:18 PM

I was hoping that Red would sacrifice him self rather than Bill

master of read

03-09-2009, 07:19 PM

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

not bill!!!

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:23 PM

Is Voight the former president or just a member of the former presidents staff

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:36 PM

Wow Rene just got fired. I can't see Nordling without thinking of him as Coach Oryan from D3. I keep waiting on him to hand out duck jerseys and scream that's what I'm talking about.

Kid Kamikaze10

03-09-2009, 07:39 PM

If the word "butthurt" ever makes it into the dictionary, I want to see Larry Moss' picture right next to it.

master of read

03-09-2009, 07:44 PM

goddamn these assholes! get off jack's dick!

and aaron is a pimp.

Kid Kamikaze10

03-09-2009, 07:47 PM

Aaron is a pimp...

But, the President's Daughter is sounding a lot like McNulty from The Wire...

master of read

03-09-2009, 07:57 PM

damn you, jon voght!

Kid Kamikaze10

03-09-2009, 07:57 PM

NINJA NURSE!!!!!!

But seriously, that was a pretty well executed plan...

mr.brighteyes

03-09-2009, 07:59 PM

damn you, jon voght!

took the words right out of my mouth. I like Podel as an actor so I am ticked to see him gone.

The Mutt

03-09-2009, 09:28 PM

What a great episode. I never would have guessed that they'd accelerate the pace like that. They could have milked that hostage scene for three hours at least.

I'm really pissed off about a nitpick, though:

Agent Reynolds with his two lines and his big close-up and his beard. FBI agents don't have beards. SWAT team guys don't have beards. Anybody who wears a gas mask for a living does not have a beard.

I kept expecting him to do something evil, until I figured it was just the show being sloppy.

I wonder who that actor was fucking?

Libaax

03-10-2009, 07:42 PM

Jared

03-11-2009, 12:20 AM

General Juma and the Africommandos are no more. Juma is lucky, his death was far less nasty than the nuke guy last season. I don't know why cannisters of flammable gas would be kept in the president's panic room. Maybe they were a holdover from Logan's days, with the staff hoping he accidentally fry himself.

Ah, the silent count. Farewell, Bill Buchannan. At least he went out like a hero.
This explains why, centuries from now, a vat-grown solider based on his DNA will lead the 58th Marine Fighter Squadron in humanity's war against the evil Chigs.

Did Mr. Logan die? From the way Jack and Tony referred to Logan, it seems that he's still alive, which was uncertain based on how we last saw him.

Now that she has seen that he does have human side, Renee, though she may not realize it conciously, is firmly into "wants to bang Jack" mode. If she can stay alive for 11 more hours and tell off Larry Moss for being a complete asshat, she may get the chance. The man could use it. Do it for your country, Renee.

Chloe and Gararchloe never even appeared this episode.

Has Kim even tried to get in touch with Jack hearing he was being tried before Congress? It doesn't seem like it. What a bitch.

I'm really liking Jon Voight and his somewhat laid back approach to villainy.

Libaax

03-11-2009, 04:27 AM

If the word "butthurt" ever makes it into the dictionary, I want to see Larry Moss' picture right next to it.

After seeing so many eps with Moss that "butthurt" joke killed me :biggrin:

Thats exactly what i thought after Burnett got killed and Jack escaped.

LtMarvel

03-11-2009, 07:38 AM

Is Voight the former president or just a member of the former presidents staff
Was he the losing candidate in the last election?

mr.brighteyes

03-11-2009, 09:35 AM

Was he the losing candidate in the last election?

Well If he was then he was the Vice President because he has too much knowledge of the white house to be just a candidate. plus he was negotiating with Juma so there is something there.

LtMarvel

03-11-2009, 02:01 PM

It makes more sense to me, because I couldn't imagine how Juma got so many American government people to agree to an attack on the US.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe there is enough money in the world to bribe all of them. There has to be a political demogauge (sp) that has these traitors to justify their actions.

The Black Guardian

03-11-2009, 02:15 PM

Well If he was then he was the Vice President because he has too much knowledge of the white house to be just a candidate. plus he was negotiating with Juma so there is something there.
I'll bet Starkwood is some kind of Haliburton/Blackwater-like security company.

Hmm... wonder if "Stark" is a reference to Tony Stark.

Libaax

03-12-2009, 08:21 AM

I'll bet Starkwood is some kind of Haliburton/Blackwater-like security company.

Hmm... wonder if "Stark" is a reference to Tony Stark.

Tony Stark isnt that big of superhero in mainstrem to reference to.

I also think the guy is a security company or something like it. They wouldnt have the people they have otherwise.

Dave Bennett

03-12-2009, 12:46 PM

The series 'Jericho' featured a similar mercenary/security outfit.

It was called Ravenwood.

Blackwater , Starkwood , Ravenwood -- these companies seem to go for ominous/intimidating names!

mr.brighteyes

03-12-2009, 02:15 PM

The series 'Jericho' featured a similar mercenary/security outfit.

It was called Ravenwood.

Blackwater , Starkwood , Ravenwood -- these companies seem to go for ominous/intimidating names!

There was one in Leverage as well but I can't find the name of the company.

kalorama

03-12-2009, 04:18 PM

Well If he was then he was the Vice President because he has too much knowledge of the white house to be just a candidate.

Not necessarily. it could just mean that he has the money, power, and/or contacts to buy off or blackmail the people who do have the inside knowledge. Or his company could be one of the contractors that designed or installed the White House security systems.

Jared

03-13-2009, 12:53 AM

Tony Stark isnt that big of superhero in mainstrem to reference to.

He's bigger than Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner.

Taylor beat Daniels in her election. Palmer the Lesser presumably never recovered sufficiently to reclaim the job.

VincentClarkson

03-13-2009, 09:52 AM

Did Mrs. Logan die? From the way Jack and Tony referred to Logan, it seems that he's still alive, which was uncertain based on how we last saw him.

I hope we find out what happened to Martha. Maybe Jean Smart will be back later this season.

Has Kim even tried to get in touch with Jack hearing he was being tried before Congress? It doesn't seem like it. What a bitch.

That's a really awful thing to say. But we will find out later this season when she returns.

mr.brighteyes

03-13-2009, 12:47 PM

I hope we find out what happened to Martha. Maybe Jean Smart will be back later this season.

That's a really awful thing to say. But we will find out later this season when she returns.

Wow is she returning again. I figured the actress got to big for her britches and wouldn't come back.

The Black Guardian

03-13-2009, 02:55 PM

Wow is she returning again. I figured the actress got to big for her britches and wouldn't come back.
She's supposed to be in the last 5 episodes.

Jared

03-13-2009, 08:10 PM

Wow is she returning again. I figured the actress got to big for her britches and wouldn't come back.

Obviously you haven't been keeping up with her career.
I had no idea she was due to come back. It's a not such a huge spoiler, since it makes sense for her to show up. Thought it will be a stretch if she just happens to be in the DC area when all this stuff went down. On the other hand, maybe she went there specifically to see Jack. Perhaps she's been running around all day trying to find him, but she keeps getting accosted by mercenaries, cougars and wife-beaters.

The Mutt

03-14-2009, 07:16 PM

With Bill dead and Jack on the run, I'm guessing we're about to see Chloe do some serious aiding and abetting. From right inside the FBI office. With Garafalo watching her every move.

I really hope we get to see one of those great Hacker Wars that guys who don't know anything about computers love to write.

I do my best to stay unspoiled about this show, but I'd bet you money that the last episode will come down to Jack and Tony fighting over who will sacrifice himself to save the world.

Ho sanna hey sanna...