Where Bauer Lives, Terror Dies. 24 -- Season Seven

[mr.brighteyes]

Yeah I loved the bulldozer bit. And I hate with a passion the presidents daughter. I hated it when Red was killed. I was really sure that he was going to turn on Bauer. Him getting killed means the the guy was probably going to help him after all.

[master of read]

and thus we will never hear those words i've wanted to hear since red appeared on the show:

"hey bauer! how about i interrigate your ass with my foot?"

[VincentClarkson]

Yeah I loved the bulldozer bit. And I hate with a passion the presidents daughter. I hated it when Red was killed. I was really sure that he was going to turn on Bauer. Him getting killed means the the guy was probably going to help him after all.

Why do you hate Olivia? It's Ethan who's a dirty old rotten scumbag.

[mr.brighteyes]

Why do you hate Olivia? It's Ethan who's a dirty old rotten scumbag.

Nah she is evil and manipulative. But then again she is a woman so what do you expect.

[kalorama]

Why do you hate Olivia? It's Ethan who's a dirty old rotten scumbag.

The daughter is a vindictive, grudge-holding ballbuster, but that doesn't change the fact that she was right. Ethan is not a dirty rotten scumbag, but he does appear to be pretty fucking incompetent at his job.

[VincentClarkson]

The daughter is a vindictive, grudge-holding ballbuster, but that doesn't change the fact that she was right. Ethan is not a dirty rotten scumbag, but he does appear to be pretty fucking incompetent at his job.

She's the new Sherry Palmer! I effing love her!

[mr.brighteyes]

There is nine episodes left in the season. Man the first fifteen hours went fast.

Maybe Jon Voight was never a part of the government. It has been a long time since I saw the movie but I could have sworn he was the former president or at least part of the cabinet.

I'd say family man is not going to make it out of this alive. edit oops I was wrong


And Thats why I hate that bitch.

This episode was kind of a let down compared to last weeks.

Wow Jacks kind of a dumb ass for letting them get the weapon.

[jdwrocks]

God that Olivia character is is a freaking c*nt! So fucking annoying.

I've enjoyed the chief of staff guy. The actor who plays him seems to always portray a villain. Pretty cool to see him play a good guy in this show.

Hmm, Jack with a gun vs. a helicopter with a big ass gun & vehicle full of others with guns...



...Yeah Jack is a dumb ass to let them take the weapon from him.

[mr.brighteyes]

God that Olivia character is is a freaking c*nt! So fucking annoying.

I've enjoyed the chief of staff guy. The actor who plays him seems to always portray a villain. Pretty cool to see him play a good guy in this show.

Hmm, Jack with a gun vs. a helicopter with a big ass gun & vehicle full of others with guns...



...Yeah Jack is a dumb ass to let them take the weapon from him.

He was right there at the truck he could have totally gotten in to it and driven off. Hell he never should have stopped to begin with.

[jdwrocks]

He was right there at the truck he could have totally gotten in to it and driven off. Hell he never should have stopped to begin with.
Well, perhaps the chemicals from the weapon got to him? At least that's a guess.

Plus he was out of the truck when they attacked him.

[VincentClarkson]

God that Olivia character is is a freaking c*nt! So fucking annoying.



She's awesome. She puts all the @$$holes in their place.

[The Black Guardian]

Well, perhaps the chemicals from the weapon got to him? At least that's a guess.

Plus he was out of the truck when they attacked him.
Yeah, he tried to get back in, but he was a sitting duck under attack from multiple directions. Plus, he didn't look so hot after inhaling the bioweapon.

[cosmoboy]

He was right there at the truck he could have totally gotten in to it and driven off. Hell he never should have stopped to begin with.

He was driving into the city and the bio agent was leaking. Stopping was the only thing that kept him from killing millions himself.

[jdwrocks]

Slightly off thread, but I see Keifer (SP?) has signed on for an 8th season. Good to know but I think the writing is even more important. Last season was a perfect example of how bad writing can wreck an entire season.

[Jared]

Finally got caught up on Hulu.

You know, if it had been just a helicopter, Jack could have handled things. There is precedent for him going one on with a chopper and winning.

They really did pull a fast one with Senator Mayer. I was totally expecting him to betray Jack, not get blown away. But I should have realized that a cop wouldn't just keep pounding at the door like that given the situation. Moss had scrambled units there to storm the place in force. It's ironic, Jack seemed to be taking some of his words to heart when he decided to save the PA guard...and as a result, the bad guys have the bioweapon. Will he later risk everything to rescue Tony?

I think we'll be spared a hacker war, given that Garafalo acknwoledged that Chloe and even Morris are her superiors.

Oliva has rapidly become the woman I love to hate. Not as much as Sherry was though, mainly because David Palmer was a stronger character than President Taylor.

[Libaax]

He was driving into the city and the bio agent was leaking. Stopping was the only thing that kept him from killing millions himself.

Yeah how stupid of Jack to think of the millions he is trying to save.

People will diss Jack unless he acts like a Terminator taking bullets,taking down a helicopter,plus a car full of special forces guys.

[mr.brighteyes]

The Gall of these people astounds me. It's a private military compound quite frankly the government should be able to do what ever the fuck it wants and the compound people should be grateful the government doesn't arrest them for the soul reason that they pointed loaded weapons at them. Quite frankly if the government wasn't allowed to do something like that I'd be scared to live here. I'm all for the right to bare arms but the right to have a private organized militia is completely different.

The nerve of the people being interrogated in the csi shows baffle me as well.

[Jared]

The Gall of these people astounds me. It's a private military compound quite frankly the government should be able to do what ever the fuck it wants and the compound people should be grateful the government doesn't arrest them for the soul reason that they pointed loaded weapons at them. Quite frankly if the government wasn't allowed to do something like that I'd be scared to live here. I'm all for the right to bare arms but the right to have a private organized militia is completely different.


That "you have no right to be on our property" stuff was BS, and they all know it. It's not as if the warrant (or Executive Order, technically) would only cover that one building. They're terrorists trying to buy time to deploy a bioweapon. Quite frankly, unless something else happens, it'll be quite a stretch for even this to work. So they've got all those agents held a gunpoint. So what? Given the circumstances, there's no way the President can let them be held hostage to hold off another assault. She can send more troops and worry about posse commitatus later.

Just a thought, but what if next season is the last, and it follows directly after this one? Jack Bauer with 24 hours to live.

[cosmoboy]

Huh. I like the idea but god I don't want the show to end with Bauer dying. Besides dead Jack makes a movie franchise tough.

[mr.brighteyes]

Huh. I like the idea but god I don't want the show to end with Bauer dying. Besides dead Jack makes a movie franchise tough.


If he does die I'm sure they will attempt to continue it with the new girl. Won't be the same And I'm oretty sure they would have to be insane to try it but hey Someone thought it was a good idea to not give John Schneider and Tom Wopat the money they were asking for and thought that replacing them with Coy and Vance was a good idea.

[mindcrime]

as far as im concerned, if jack dies, 24 is over. period.

[Libaax]

Even at the end of the series,franchise Jack shouldnt die.


Think about the guy has lost everything he ever cared about. Everyone. He deserve a happy ending or not dying specially of some bio weapon.

[The Black Guardian]

as far as im concerned, if jack dies, 24 is over. period.
I dunno. I could enjoy a 24 with Tony headlining.

[Wolf-Man]

Jon Voight probably has a cure to the uncurable toxin and the plan is to release the toxin into the population and then sell the cure for... one MILLION dollars! *touch lip*

[Lord of Denial]

Is Walker in love with Jack?

She seems to be taken this dying much harder then someone who has only known him for less then 24 hours should.

[tjarvis]

Is Walker in love with Jack?

She seems to be taken this dying much harder then someone who has only known him for less then 24 hours should.

It does seem to be leaning that way, but I hope it's only a one sided infatuation. Outside of Teri, none of his perspective girlfriends did much for me. I hated Audrey right from the get go.

I prefer Renee with Moss, and I'm hoping that both are regulars on the show next year.

[Lord of Denial]

It does seem to be leaning that way, but I hope it's only a one sided infatuation. Outside of Teri, none of his perspective girlfriends did much for me. I hated Audrey right from the get go.

I prefer Renee with Moss, and I'm hoping that both are regulars on the show next year.

Spoiler



















Renee is a regular next season that is already confirmed.

[Jared]

Renee is the first prospective love interest Jack has had since S1 that I can root for. Kate Warner was just an attractive damsel, I could never buy Jack having a relationship with her.
IIRC, the drug lord's girlfriend whom Jack bedded while he was undercover was actually supposed to have a bigger part and become Jack's next love, but the actress had other commitments and so was killed off like just another asset.
Audrey I just found rather annoying, partly because her ex husband was such a tool and partly because it seemed like she got her job from nepotism. She did have chemistry with Jack, at least.

Did Chloe go home with Morris last week? It was strange to not see her doing tactical support.

President Taylor is an idiot if she doesn't let any of her generals know about Hodge's threat. She's no arms expert, maybe they can intercept the missles. Maybe they can launch a stealth strike to stop them before they launch. I can't believe she's about to just cow tow to terrorist demands...again! At least this show is fair in making leaders of both parties look bad. I assume Taylor is a (liberal to moderate) Republican, since Palmer the Lesser was a Democrat, thus Daniels was also.

[Dave Bennett]

Did Chloe go home with Morris last week? It was strange to not see her doing tactical support.

I wondered the same thing! It would have been great to see Chloe and Janice sitting side by side helping Tony!


President Taylor is an idiot if she doesn't let any of her generals know about Hodge's threat. She's no arms expert, maybe they can intercept the missles. Maybe they can launch a stealth strike to stop them before they launch. I can't believe she's about to just cow tow to terrorist demands...again!

On the money, again --- that seemed a little out of character after the tough stand she took against bowing to Juma's demands.

And help me on this -- I'm unclear on just how much of a threat that phone cam recording of the President's daughter hitting the sheets with the reporter is. :confused: :confused: Wouldn't it be more damaging to HER than to him if it got out?? Why does she think he won't call her bluff on releasing it? -- it would be a career-ender for her if anyone saw it, wouldn't it?

[Toreador]

I wondered the same thing! It would have been great to see Chloe and Janice sitting side by side helping Tony!



On the money, again --- that seemed a little out of character after the tough stand she took against bowing to Juma's demands.

And help me on this -- I'm unclear on just how much of a threat that phone cam recording of the President's daughter hitting the sheets with the reporter is. :confused: :confused: Wouldn't it be more damaging to HER than to him if it got out?? Why does she think he won't call her bluff on releasing it? -- it would be a career-ender for her if anyone saw it, wouldn't it?


Since she has control of the video she can probably easily blur/pixalate her face so that she's unrecognizable if she cares to release it.

[Treqqor]

Even at the end of the series,franchise Jack shouldnt die.


Think about the guy has lost everything he ever cared about. Everyone. He deserve a happy ending or not dying specially of some bio weapon.

If this story is indeed a tragedy, then by following how many of those stories and plays end, wouldn't that be with the protagonist's death?

Seems like by the last episode, he will be dead to me. Whichever season that happens to be.

[tjarvis]

I wondered the same thing! It would have been great to see Chloe and Janice sitting side by side helping Tony!



On the money, again --- that seemed a little out of character after the tough stand she took against bowing to Juma's demands.

And help me on this -- I'm unclear on just how much of a threat that phone cam recording of the President's daughter hitting the sheets with the reporter is. :confused: :confused: Wouldn't it be more damaging to HER than to him if it got out?? Why does she think he won't call her bluff on releasing it? -- it would be a career-ender for her if anyone saw it, wouldn't it?


I think the actress playing Chloe is out pregnant, hence her reduced role this year.

As far as the reporter goes, the fact that he was willing to blackmail to extort information, sleep with a source, and then break his word decimates his credibility and objectivity. If that got out, there is not a newspaper or professional organization that would touch him, he's toxic. There are no two more important assets for a journalist to have than the two listed above.

[Dave Bennett]

As far as the reporter goes, the fact that he was willing to blackmail to extort information, sleep with a source, and then break his word decimates his credibility and objectivity. If that got out, there is not a newspaper or professional organization that would touch him, he's toxic. There are no two more important assets for a journalist to have than the two listed above.

But isn't the President's daughter the only one who knows these things?? How can she hold this over him if she doesn't reveal that it is HER on the tape -- thus dooming her own career?

Unless her only plan is to show the video to the reporter's wife??

[Jared]

I assumed it was a threat of Mutual Assured Destruction. I hope that before season's end, Aaron realize exactly what sort of harpie he's looking after and tells her off.

I take it we're allassuming that Renee is going to contact Kim so Jack can get a blood transfusion or whatever it is he needs. But first he has to win back her love by beating the crap out of her hockey playing douche of an ex.

[Ty19]

Jon Voight probably has a cure to the uncurable toxin and the plan is to release the toxin into the population and then sell the cure for... one MILLION dollars! *touch lip*
I thought it was gonna be revealed that Voight had a cure also.

And I'm another person that wouldn't object to the show having Tony as lead next year. Put Jack in the White House looking out for the President. Then have him join the Field Ops the second half of the season. Or something like that..........

[LtMarvel]

Ok, am I the only one who thought that the FBI should've taken the company chief hostage?

[Lord of Denial]

Ok, am I the only one who thought that the FBI should've taken the company chief hostage?

How they where out gunned and outnumbered. Plus the FBI does not take people hostage.

[LtMarvel]

They were face to face! Have all FBI agents trained on the main bad guy and order him to tell all to stand down or die.

Remember all the crap that happened that day attributed to this company? I would feel justified in doing that!

[Lord of Denial]

They were face to face! Have all FBI agents trained on the main bad guy and order him to tell all to stand down or die.

Remember all the crap that happened that day attributed to this company? I would feel justified in doing that!

They can't just murder him on orders from Moss, but the other side can and would.

This is why Jack throws out the rules and fights fire with fire.

[Jared]

I know what needs to happen next season, ripped from today's headlines:
JACK VS. PIRATES.

[ArtEvans]

Good episode. Kim is back, and Tony is evil again. I liked the pacing, with Hodges' arrest and then the betrayal.

[kalorama]

The previews for next week show Jack out in the field again and looking to be in pretty good shape, so either that stem cell cure from Kim is some great shit or the effects of whatever it was he was exposed to weren't permanent, which means his being exposed was part of the plan, as a way to convince the FBI that they really had the toxin.

[jdwrocks]

I saw the Tony, bad guy ting coming a mile away. But I am still dissapinted in it.

A growing number of watchers were liking the Almeida thing, and I could've seen a spin-off TV movie or pilot featuring him, but no more. Can't see how killing a FBI agent can ever turn someone into a hero or at least a bankable character.

[kalorama]

Jack shot his boss in the head in either the first or second season (can't remember which).

[cosmoboy]

Jack shot his boss in the head in either the first or second season (can't remember which).

Of course I don't know for sure,but I believe that was probably different. When Jack killed Chapelle,Ryan went willingly. Tony just murdered Larry.

[kalorama]

Of course I don't know for sure,but I believe that was probably different. When Jack killed Chapelle,Ryan went willingly. Tony just murdered Larry.

Okay, I get you. I misread his post, actually. I thought he was talking about something Tony did while working for Emerson, implying that his previous bad acts would preclude him from being the star of the show after he'd (seemingly) become one of the good guys. I wasn't thinking of Larry because Obviously there's no chance of a Almeda spinoff now.

[jdwrocks]

Okay, I get you. I misread his post, actually. I thought he was talking about something Tony did while working for Emerson, implying that his previous bad acts would preclude him from being the star of the show after he'd (seemingly) become one of the good guys. I wasn't thinking of Larry because Obviously there's no chance of a Almeda spinoff now.
Yeah that was what I meant about Tony. I think it's a big mistake from the writers & producers. Almeida had a ton of potential.

[tjarvis]

Yeah that was what I meant about Tony. I think it's a big mistake from the writers & producers. Almeida had a ton of potential.

On the other hand, he also makes the most intriguing villain the show has had since Logan or Nina Meyers.

I'm just hoping that if they are making Tony a full fledged villain (and it doesn't look like he can come back from killing Moss), that they don't waste it by offing him at the end of the season.

You can milk an evil Tony for longer than that.

[The Black Guardian]

The Tony thing really didn't surprise me much. I haven't been trusting him all season, but they did lull me into complacency in the past few episodes. They almost had me believing Tony was a good guy again, but when Hodges said he wasn't the only one, I knew Evil Tony was coming.

Tony might not be all bad though. He could still be in deep cover mode and all that matters is the mission. Tony would have to know there are bigger cogs in the machine, as Hodges said. Maybe he wants to bring them down? I hope so, but again, I don't trust Tony. Tony just might be the Big Bad cog in the machine. Wouldn't surprise me.

Kim surprised me in that I wasn't wishing she'd go away. I kind of liked her scenes.

[ArtEvans]

Kim surprised me in that I wasn't wishing she'd go away. I kind of liked her scenes.

Hopefully things stay that way, because she's in four more episodes!

My only criticism with Kim's past storylines were that they never intersected with the main plot, making them less interesting. Like in season two, I was sure the wife-murdering father that Kim worked for was going to be in cahoots with the terrorists, but nope. No such luck. Instead of facing off with Marie Warner, Kim faced off with a cougar (and not the kind that preys on young men).

Other than Jack, Kim has always been my favourite. She grounds the show in humanity and reminds Jack that he's more than just a devil-may-care action hero. He's a father. Their scenes were great. With Kim in the picture, the stakes for Jack are that much higher. Kim sort of gets a free pass because you know she won't die--if Kim died, Jack would go batshit crazy and wouldn't be able to function anymore. He'd just become too inhuman.

[cosmoboy]

On the other hand, he also makes the most intriguing villain the show has had since Logan or Nina Meyers.

I'm just hoping that if they are making Tony a full fledged villain (and it doesn't look like he can come back from killing Moss), that they don't waste it by offing him at the end of the season.

You can milk an evil Tony for longer than that.


I certainly would have watched a Tony-centric 24. I think he'll be a good villain, but man I was just getting into Voight. He's the best villain we've had on this show.

[KenK]

I mean c'mon, Tony's moustache was so made for evil!! :biggrin:

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

lets be honest here, how many people saw the tony betrayal coming a mile away?....or in my case several episodes away.

[tjarvis]

lets be honest here, how many people saw the tony betrayal coming a mile away?....or in my case several episodes away.

Yeah, but his stepping up and actually stopping the missles from launching was a good enough feat that I stopped thinking Tony was on the evil side. So they did get me.

I really hope they don't off Kim. That whole "there's a slight risk to you" line this episode really has me worried. We all know Kim is going to go ahead with the treatment anyway, whether Jack likes it or not, but the last thing Jack needs is even more guilt on his conscience.

[cosmoboy]

I mean c'mon, Tony's moustache was so made for evil!! :biggrin:

Next season Tony and his mustache should separate. Tony and Jack could then reteam to foil whatever nefarious plot the 'stash came up with.

[The Black Guardian]

lets be honest here, how many people saw the tony betrayal coming a mile away?....or in my case several episodes away.
Heck, way back when Jack and Bill left for the White House and left Tony with Chloe, I was terrified for Chloe because I didn't trust him. I could actually see him killing Chloe with bare hands the way he just did with Moss. Ever since then I've been waiting for his betrayal.

[ArtEvans]

lets be honest here, how many people saw the tony betrayal coming a mile away?....or in my case several episodes away.

I didn't. It's a twist that makes no sense.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I didn't. It's a twist that makes no sense.

I don't know, it made sense to me.


That guy was going to kill both of them at that point, so Tony used the "if you can't beat them, join them" approach.

And this seems to be the method he's been using for much of his "mean streak". He's in it for himself first, his friends later.

[kalorama]

I don't know, it made sense to me.


That guy was going to kill both of them at that point, so Tony used the "if you can't beat them, join them" approach.

Except it was pretty clear that not only were Tony and the shooter were working together before he got the drop on them, but Tony seemed to be in charge.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I didn't. It's a twist that makes no sense.
well.... that's a different can of worms i suppose lol

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Except it was pretty clear that not only were Tony and the shooter were working together before he got the drop on them, but Tony seemed to be in charge.

... Oh, yeah, with the whole ordering him around thing...


You're right.

[Dave Bennett]

You're right.

Yeah -- but how in the world did they plan it that so that Tony JUST HAPPENED TO BE in the helicopter chasing the guy WHO JUST HAPPENED to get the drop on the FBI agent who first caught him leaving the compound and could have ended everything right there?

I don't understand where this came from, how Tony coordinated with the StarkWood underling, why he sabotaged the missiles, and what his endgame is.

How was Tony duped on the missiles' location when they first took him to the dummy hangar? If he's working for the 'something bigger' that Jonas Hodges threw out, why didn't Hodges know Tony had turned?

Things were flowing pretty logically until this swerve.

[Blueferret]

Of course I don't know for sure,but I believe that was probably different. When Jack killed Chapelle,Ryan went willingly. Tony just murdered Larry.

Didn't jack kill Curtis for no reason?

[felix77]

Maybe Michelle is secretly being kept alive and thats why Tony is working with another agenda?

[The Black Guardian]

Didn't jack kill Curtis for no reason?
No. Jack killed Curtis because Curtis disobeyed him and was about to botch things up.

Yeah -- but how in the world did they plan it that so that Tony JUST HAPPENED TO BE in the helicopter chasing the guy WHO JUST HAPPENED to get the drop on the FBI agent who first caught him leaving the compound and could have ended everything right there?
I think that is just a bit of serendipity for them.

[LtMarvel]

Yeah -- but how in the world did they plan it that so that Tony JUST HAPPENED TO BE in the helicopter chasing the guy WHO JUST HAPPENED to get the drop on the FBI agent who first caught him leaving the compound and could have ended everything right there?

I don't understand where this came from, how Tony coordinated with the StarkWood underling, why he sabotaged the missiles, and what his endgame is.

How was Tony duped on the missiles' location when they first took him to the dummy hangar? If he's working for the 'something bigger' that Jonas Hodges threw out, why didn't Hodges know Tony had turned?

Things were flowing pretty logically until this swerve.
Shhh! That's the beauty of 24! It's a wild ride that's a lot of fun...until you start to think about what they are showing you...

Then it's all...plotholes that you drive a school bus through...

[cosmoboy]

I'm not sure that it mattered where Tony was. This guy was going to smuggle the bio agent out with or without Tony. Tony was resigned to his arrest and then was able to take advantage of the situation. There's some coincidence involved but I certainly don't think that was Tony's plan.

[ArtEvans]

Spoiler alert...(don't read if you don't want to know who WON'T die this season)

Next season takes place in New York City, and both Renee Walker and President Taylor are returning.

All this comes from Michael Ausiello at Entertainment Weekly.

[jeriscratch]

Anyone seen the new episode yet?

They're kinda using his illness as a plot device so that he can't be all awesome all the time :biggrin:

[Iron-boy]

Pretty good, but I find it stupid no one noticed the guy walking just beside them with the bomb.

[Deathstroke]

I can't wait for Jack to activate his Bauer Power and blow Tony's fucking head off.

And you know, when I saw Will Patton's name in the credits, I knew he'd be playing a bad guy.

And come on now...since when has Kim EVER done what she is told to do? Why would she leave her dad...?

Awww....Grandpa Jack...and she's named after Grandma Teri.

[jeriscratch]

Pretty good, but I find it stupid no one noticed the guy walking just beside them with the bomb.

Yeah, didn't they have his picture? And I just found it weird that they saw fit to give out the guy's name to the search teams. It's not like he's gonna say, "Yeah that's me!" when someone calls out for him :rolleyes:

[jeriscratch]

I can't wait for Jack to activate his Bauer Power and blow Tony's fucking head off.

And you know, when I saw Will Patton's name in the credits, I knew he'd be playing a bad guy.

And come on now...since when has Kim EVER done what she is told to do? Why would she leave her dad...?

Awww....Grandpa Jack...and she's named after Grandma Teri.

Seeing Will Patton was kinda cool.

That bit at the end, when Jack figured it out and Tony was trying to cover it up, the whole time, I was screaming at the monitor for Jack to put a bullet in Tony's shoulder and unleash the BauerBolt scream. Haha. :biggrin:

Also, I thought the guy Tony was working with was going to hi-jack Kim's taxi or something.

[jeriscratch]

And if you've seen the promo for next week's show, that last thing at the end with Jack and Hodges gave me chills. The good kind.

[Jared]

So far, Kim's new man doesn't appear to be a douche. Let's hope he can hang on to all his limbs.

I only recently realized that PrincessTailor isn't House's Jennifer Morrison with a new hairdo...which is weird because I've been crushing on Morrisson since I got hooked on House reruns a few weeks ago.

We can safely say that Tony really is gone to the dark side now. Killing Moss *might* have been excusable as an ultra-deep cover thing, but blowing up dozens agents is another matter. But there's still some shred of the man he used to be left, you can tell he didn't like killing Larry, and he really does feel bad for Jack. I wonder now if Emmerson really died. We only had Tony's word on that, right?

I really hope Tony survives the season, or at least gets an epic fight to the death with Jack at the end of this one. The closest Jack has had to a major villain who was his equal was Robocop, but he was much older.

The "L Word" is done, right? Maybe we'll finally get Mia Kirshner as Mandy for a good chunk of a season.

[The Black Guardian]

We saw Emerson die the same way we saw Moss die.

[Blueferret]

And if you've seen the promo for next week's show, that last thing at the end with Jack and Hodges gave me chills. The good kind.

That's what I was thinking. Jack and torture, always a good combo.

[Jared]

I don't know her name, but I recognized that actress at the airport from other work, so I imediately knew she'd have to be a baddie once Kim bumped into her.

I've never really been attracted to Chloe or Janeane Garafolo but watching the two of them get catty with each other is...interesting.

Biggest surprise tonight was that the patsy actually lived.

It looks like Aaron will be the one to bring down Princess Taylor.

[jdwrocks]

I don't know her name, but I recognized that actress at the airport from other work, so I imediately knew she'd have to be a baddie once Kim bumped into her.

I've never really been attracted to Chloe or Janeane Garafolo but watching the two of them get catty with each other is...interesting.

Biggest surprise tonight was that the patsy actually lived.

It looks like Aaron will be the one to bring down Princess Taylor.
I think the writers & producers made a conscious effort to use Muslim characters in a positive life & also not use them as cannon fodder.

[DonC]

Damn, Kim gets taken hostage more than Robin.

And, for frak's sake, Jack, grab a piece of paper and write "They have Kim" on it. Then get the FBI to, ya know, help you get her back.

[Jared]

They're monitoring his every word, and putting him on a very tight schedule, so even asking for a pen and paper could elicit suspicion.

Not sure how Renee will react if Jack seemingly turns traitor *again* today. Maybe she'll just throw up her hands and say "f**k it, I don't care, I'm going home!"

[jdwrocks]

Damn, Kim gets taken hostage more than Robin.

And, for frak's sake, Jack, grab a piece of paper and write "They have Kim" on it. Then get the FBI to, ya know, help you get her back.
OK, that post got me laughing hard...thanx for that DonC

"It's funny cuz it's true"

[The Black Guardian]

I've never really been attracted to Chloe or Janeane Garafolo but watching the two of them get catty with each other is...interesting.
I don't find Garofalo the slightest bit attractive, but Rajskub makes up for it. Their catty banter had me wishing someone would drop them both in a bucket of pudding so they could wrestle.

They're monitoring his every word, and putting him on a very tight schedule, so even asking for a pen and paper could elicit suspicion.
So, um, don't ask for a pen and paper. Heck, he's got a phone on him. Type a letter on the notepad.

[OhMyGato]

I'm hoping Aaron does out her as being responsible.

I also hope that agent Pierce is the only character to survive all the seasons of 24. Although they killed Bill this year so who knows what will happen.

[felix77]

24 fans should really check out the BBC series Spooks.

Its got a really high cast body count. They've got rid (killed, quit, on the run) two entire teams of spies so far. Including 2 leads in a row.

[OhMyGato]

Tonight! season finale, woot!

[Chiasm]

The finale had the return of the Kim Bauer rescue hour. Felt like season I all over again which basically to me means its time to put a fork in this show. Its become far too predictable and when they resort to having Kim in danger again you know they are out of ideas. As the climax, I'm struggling to care how anything turns out.

[Tuan]

So what was the so called shocking twist they kept telling us in the promo anyways?

I think it went over my head!

[tjarvis]

I actually felt some genuine pathos for the Presidential family there. Olivia is a bitch, and I'm not sad to see her go to jail, but I can totally empathize with the First Husband. When you feel like your spouse betrays your child like that, I don't think that's something you can forgive.

I also don't see how Renee can start next season in any place but jail. She crossed a major line at the end there, and Janice can't cover that up. Plus, I think that was a disapointing way to go with Walker. We don't need a mini Jack, she worked better as the voice of reason and compassion. I would've liked to have seen her go the way of Larry Moss than Jack Bauer.

So I guess next season is about the rogue operatives taking down a conspiracy why the FBI hunts them down. That seems to be what they're building toward. And Tony lives again to walk the perpetually gray line.

[The Black Guardian]

The finale had the return of the Kim Bauer rescue hour. Felt like season I all over again which basically to me means its time to put a fork in this show. Its become far too predictable and when they resort to having Kim in danger again you know they are out of ideas. As the climax, I'm struggling to care how anything turns out.
Except, of course, Kim showed she didn't need much saving, and she ended up saving the day multiple times over. Never thought I would say it, but, "Go Kim!"

Nothing with the first family did anything for me. I actually found myself wondering what was happening on Dancing or The Bachelorette whenever they were on camera. I hope next season shoves the president off into a cameo role, and none of the first family is even seen.

When Tony wanted to see the Big Bad, I figured what his plan was. But still... daaaamn! Tony was hardcore.

It was cool to see Jack and the imam having a chat.

[Jared]

We don't actually know what Renee was going to do. This is the most ambiguous finale cliffhanger we've had in a long time.

Obviously Tony and the Big Boss should return next season.

I loved the look on Renee's face when Kim spouted off some tech knowledge. That says it all about Kim, even if you've just met her, you expect her to be an idiot.

Renee shooting people and them jumping from the moving car should garner her even more fan points. The key to making a love interest likable is to have her not be too helpless, but she can't be so competent that she upstages Jack in any way. And she needs to be hot. They've got it covered with her.

So does this make Tony a quadruple agent? I actually called it out loud, that he wasn't actually evil, before he asked about joining the upper tier of the group.

I thought it was an excellent finale. Sutherland and Cherry Jones might well get Emmy nods. And if they don't win, somebody is getting headbutted.

[LtMarvel]

I, in my NPR-geek imagination, can hear the coverage of the trial of main bad guy. (It's the same journalist who covered the rape trial of the bigamist sect leader).

"In testimony today, we learn that <i forget the name> who is accused to be behind a grand conspiracy that was responsible for the assination of former President Palmer, the murder of the President's son, an attempted biological attack in the DC area, and even aiding in the assault on the White House made a terrible enemy when he killed a CTU agent.

"The CTU agent's husband, Tony Almeda, who survived the attack, went underground, spending over three years going through, quote, 'layers of people', unquote behind the attack. Almeda admitted to committing may crimes against the United States just to cover his advancing investigation. When the threat from the conspiracy got too big, Almeda convinced coworkers from the disbanded CTU to help him prevent that threat, keeping the vengeance motive to himself. The rogue CTU-like agency consisted of just three people, but they rapidly made progress.

"The defense attourney objected several times during Almeda's riveting testimony. The judge overruled, giving prosecution leeway to tie all these events together.

"After noon recess, Almeda started talking about the day leading up to the invasion of the White House. By happenstance, ex-CTU agent Jack Bauer was in DC testifying before the Senate. Bauer was convinced by the FBI to help capture Almeda. When Bauer learned what Almeda's group was trying to prevent, he worked with the group to learn of the attack and aided in the eventual rescue of the President herself.

"Almeda stated that while much of his team was inside the White House, he was learning of a second DC attack, this time targeting civilians, involving a fearsome biological weapon. Almeda this time went work pretending to be a double agent. He personally destroyed most of biological weapon, and then secured a small canister himself, killing several FBI agents in the process. He turned the canister over to a trusted aide of the accused. Almeda even conviced her that using the canister in a hastily-arranged plot to attack the DC subway rather than to use the biological agent to create more weapons for attacks down the road.

"Almeda thought the attack was necessary in order to get a face meeting with the accused. Even after the attack was foiled thanks to Bauer and a brave civilian, Almeda managed to capture Bauer and use the infected Bauer and his organs (which could be harvested to make more of the biological weapon) as bait for the face meeting. Almeda said the accused was very cautious, and Almeda had rigged the doomed ex-agent to explode next to the accused.

"The FBI managed to intervene at that meeting but before Almeda could use his plan. In the chaos of the firefight between the accused's group and the FBI Almeda managed to get to the accused and his aide. Almeda said he killed the aide and beat the accused and was about to kill him when Bauer and the FBI shot him multiple times.

" 'Is this why the accused was in poor physical shape in FBI custody' asked the prosecutor.

" 'Yeah,' said Almeda, refuting the accused's claims of FBI brutality.

" 'Why are you admitting to these crimes? Did you make a deal for your testimony?' the prosecutor than asked the witness.

" 'There is no deal. I expect to be fully prosecuted for my crimes," said Almeda, which visibly shocked the defense and the gallery. After the judge restored order, Almeda added that he is testifying in hope of getting justice for the murder of his wife.

"Considering the sheer number of treasonous crimes the accused is being tried for, Almeda may get his wish."

[Deathstroke]

Someone on the Bendis board made the observation that Kim being "captured" by that hot older woman meant she'd been captured by a cougar....:biggrin:

It's weird.

I really liked the season this year but it just felt less dramatically intense to me than other great seasons in the past.

I don't know how Tony could expect anyone to sympathize with his viewpoint after all the deaths he's responsible for.

Considering it has always been Jack saving the country despite the multitude of times that allies turned enemies and his own government has sold him out, I'm a little vexed over him being so damn remorseful for the rightful if not legal measures he's taken to save the world 8 damn times now.

[kalorama]

I don't find Garofalo the slightest bit attractive, but Rajskub makes up for it. Their catty banter had me wishing someone would drop them both in a bucket of pudding so they could wrestle.

I can't stand Garofalo. I'm deeply disappointed there wasn't a Chloe/Janice beatdown.

[kalorama]

I really liked the season this year but it just felt less dramatically intense to me than other great seasons in the past.

That seems to be by design. Unlike previous seasons, where they went full-bore, wire to wire with the big conspiracy, they really made a concerted effort to sort of break this season up into smaller arcs that all tied together to form the bigger picture. As a result, it didn't have the kind of breakneck pace that previous seasons had.

Personally, I like this format much better.

[Jared]

I can't stand Garofalo. I'm deeply disappointed there wasn't a Chloe/Janice beatdown.

Jack's verbal smackdown on her earlier was enough for me.

It make sense that Jack would feel remorse over many of the things he's done. Hell, how many innocent people has threatened, harmed, or outright sacrificed? But it also makes sense that for all his guilt, he'd still make the same decisions, as he told Renee.

[Wolf-Man]

Is part of LA still nuked or did they just tape it off with yellow police tape?

[Jared]

Is part of LA still nuked or did they just tape it off with yellow police tape?

Never mentioned it. Hell, as season 6 went on it seemed like they were forgetting about it even then.

After a nuking on American soil, it seems highly that a President who is more...well doveish isn't the right word since she launched a war, but less harsh on security(?) would have been elected, but that's apparently what happened.

When the season began, I figured CTU had been shut down because of its many failures. Later it became apparent that Senator Red had done it because of their civil rights violations...right. I'm sorry, but if Valencia got nuked by tommorow, waterboarding isn't going to be a controversial issue after that.

[Blueferret]

When the season began, I figured CTU had been shut down because of its many failures. Later it became apparent that Senator Red had done it because of their civil rights violations...right. I'm sorry, but if Valencia got nuked by tommorow, waterboarding isn't going to be a controversial issue after that.


I just wanted to see Red call Jack "Dumbass" just once.

[Deathstroke]

Just picked up the season 7 DVD today.

[Jared]

Re: Next season, there's good news and bad news.

Good news:
http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/katee_sackhoff/fotos/5329/katee_sackhoff.jpg



Bad news: http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/freddie_prinze_jr.jpg



http://www.pinkisthenewblog.com/2009/06/katee-sackhoff-joins-the-cast-of-24

[The Black Guardian]

Eh... invert that for me.

Freddie Prinze Jr >>>>> ugly female Starbuck

[Jared]

Eh... invert that for me.

Freddie Prinze Jr >>>>> ugly female Starbuck

You sure know how to make friends on the internet. :evilangry: :biggrin:

BTW, does anyone else find it awesome that Keifer headbutted a guy (allegedly) to defend the honor of Brooke Shields? As long as it doesn't delay next season, I'm all for it. You know Keifer must have been dying to put some of his fight training to real use.

[The Black Guardian]

You sure know how to make friends on the internet. :evilangry: :biggrin:
Honestly, I think the addition of both is neither good nor bad news, but I do not like her looks or acting ability.

BTW, does anyone else find it awesome that Keifer headbutted a guy (allegedly) to defend the honor of Brooke Shields? As long as it doesn't delay next season, I'm all for it. You know Keifer must have been dying to put some of his fight training to real use.
"Awesome" isn't the word. That kind of behaviour is creepy. I'm really hoping Kiefer sees some jail time. I'm expecting him to get pulled over and start insulting Jews or Arabs next.

[Jared]

"Awesome" isn't the word. That kind of behaviour is creepy. I'm really hoping Kiefer sees some jail time. I'm expecting him to get pulled over and start insulting Jews or Arabs next.

Meh, apparently there was no racial component. The story seems to be (and it's hard to get more details, since I think they've already settled) that the guy bumped into Brooke or some other woman, and didn't apologize. Keifer didn't like that.

[The Black Guardian]

I'm not saying there was a racial component in this. I'm saying that if he's doing this sort of thing, then he's not far off from being the next Mel Gibson. And really, this is about 50 times worse than what Gibson did. It really shouldn't matter that he's apologized and settled things with Jack McCollough. From everything I've heard, it was a clear case of Kiefer being drunk off his ass (again) and doing something completely crazy (again). These sorts of acts need to be stopped before someone gets severely and permanently hurt. No more of this asinine "slap on the wrist" bs.

[Jake V]

I'm not saying there was a racial component in this. I'm saying that if he's doing this sort of thing, then he's not far off from being the next Mel Gibson. And really, this is about 50 times worse than what Gibson did. It really shouldn't matter that he's apologized and settled things with Jack McCollough. From everything I've heard, it was a clear case of Kiefer being drunk off his ass (again) and doing something completely crazy (again). These sorts of acts need to be stopped before someone gets severely and permanently hurt. No more of this asinine "slap on the wrist" bs.
Yeah, because getting drunk and doing something stupid is SO MUCH WORSE than being an anti-semite son of a holocaust denier.

[The Black Guardian]

Yeah, because getting drunk and doing something stupid is SO MUCH WORSE than being an anti-semite son of a holocaust denier.
Getting drunk and physically assaulting someone for no reason IS MUCH WORSE. This wasn't "doing something stupid." Doing something stupid is like tackling a Christmas tree, but Kiefer did that already. He's obviously escalating his actions into felony territory.

[Jake V]

Getting drunk and physically assaulting someone for no reason IS MUCH WORSE.

You're seriously telling me that doing a shitty thing is worse than being a shitty person?

[The Black Guardian]

You're seriously telling me that doing a shitty thing is worse than being a shitty person?
You can't do shitty things without being a shitty person.

[Jake V]

You can't do shitty things without being a shitty person.

I guess you've never been drunk then.

Or you think bigotry isn't all that bad.