Sorry Joe, sold out!!

[thebhamgunslinger]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Maybe if he were the Vice President, people would have known who he was and could have gotten in........wait.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090105/NEWS02/901050345/1006/NEWS

[K-DoG7p7]

...... is this really a story?

[thebhamgunslinger]

I'm sure it would be big news (and a hugely popular story here for sure) had this happened to Cheney and not Biden, but whatever.

[Matt Algren]

Really? A movie theater not kicking someone out so the VP-elect can see a movie would be news if only he were a Republican? I don't buy it.

Supporting evidence, please. Muchas gracias.

[Bob Violence]

Can't the Secret Service, like, commandeer a row of seats or something? It's a National Security thing!

[EdContradictory]

Cheney probably would have been an ass about it.

You know, if he ever went outside.

It'll be nice to have a VP who's not a coward and hides from the American people.

[MacQuarrie]

Joe Biden just moved up a notch in my book.

Notice that at no time did anybody say "DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM???" They didn't ask for special treatment or throw any weight around. When told the movie was sold out, they said "okay" and went somewhere else.

These are EXACTLY the kind of people I want running my country, thank you. We've had enough of the imperious privileged class constantly reminding us that they're better than we are and the rules don't apply to them.

Jesus once said "he who is faithful in little will be faithful in much." That's what I see here. If Joe Biden has respect for the simple rules regarding buying a movie ticket, he's pretty damn likely to honor the rules found in the Constitution. I think Cheney would have had people fired, because the rules don't apply to him. I think Kerry or the Clintons would likely have demanded to be seated, because the rules don't apply to them either; it's not a partisan thing.

Seriously, this news story makes me very happy and eager for the new administration to get to work. Thanks for brightening my day with some good news about the people who will soon be running things.

[Corrina]

Well, exactly.

He went to a movie theater, there were no seats, he left without fuss.

[the4thpip]

I'm sure it would be big news (and a hugely popular story here for sure) had this happened to Cheney and not Biden, but whatever.

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/boohoo.jpg

[Charles RB]

Mac's take actually makes it sort of newsworthy - High-Ranking Politician In Not-Being-A-Prick Shocker.

[Royal]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Maybe if he were the Vice President, people would have known who he was and could have gotten in........wait.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090105/NEWS02/901050345/1006/NEWS

So like what's your next post?

PIZZA PARLOR OUT OF MUSHROOMS. VEEP ORDERS OLIVES INSTEAD!


That's just so elitist.

[TomStillwell]

The OP must have overwrapped his tinfoil hat this morning.

[thebhamgunslinger]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.

[king mob]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.

Oh me aching sides.

[GozertheGozarian]

I wonder if we're going to get anything that doesn't sound like Briaros with better grammar.

[Crowley]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.

If no one recognized him... then why with two wars and crashing economy is this news in Delaware?

The logical conclusion is that people did indeed recognize him. In fact only one person in your article states otherwise.

[thebhamgunslinger]

It'll be nice to have a VP who's not a coward and hides from the American people.

Biden doesn't have to hide from the American people, they apparently couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

[Matt Algren]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.
Comedy or tragedy?

U-Decide!

[Crowley]

Biden doesn't have to hide from the American people, they apparently couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

if that was true then how is this a story in a newspaper?

[thebhamgunslinger]

if that was true then how is this a story in a newspaper?

I guess the pimple-faced kids that work there reported it. They said that no one yelled his name, called him, shook his hand, nothing. Joe Biden's just one of those guys you can't help but forget.

[Infra-Man]

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/hvigilla/who-cares.jpg

[TCJohnson]

If this is home town, then people are probably just used to him. He has never been one to seperate himself from the public. Remember, this is the guy who while in the senate took the train to work every day.

[Slam_Bradley]

If no one recognized him... then why with two wars and crashing economy is this news in Delaware?

The logical conclusion is that people did indeed recognize him. In fact only one person in your article states otherwise.


There is no day so boring that this should ever be considered newsworthy.

[Matt Algren]

YourHonor302 over in the article comments is about as hilariously off the wall as thebhamgunslinger.

[thebhamgunslinger]

YourHonor302 over in the article comments is about as hilariously off the wall as thebhamgunslinger.

Best comment is "Hey Joe, it's called Fandango".

[Stressfactor]

So what? I'm a reasonably informed woman I wouldn't recrognize Cheney if he sat down next to me.

Also, consider as well the possibility that A) people might have been being polite B) It's Deleware it's the winter, which means it's fucking cold outside. I live in the Midwest, I've gone to movies in the Winter time, most of the time you want to get your bleeping tickets, get into the theatre, get your bleeping heavy coat off and get warm! C) Other teenagers and young people there didn't fucking care. If he had been Gerard Way they might have given a damn but there are (sadly) a lot of teenagers who wouldn't even cross the street to meet ANY politician.

[thebhamgunslinger]

Also, consider as well the possibility that A) people might have been being polite B) It's Deleware it's the winter, which means it's fucking cold outside. I live in the Midwest, I've gone to movies in the Winter time, most of the time you want to get your bleeping tickets, get into the theatre, get your bleeping heavy coat off and get warm! C) Other teenagers and young people there didn't fucking care. If he had been Gerard Way they might have given a damn but there are (sadly) a lot of teenagers who wouldn't even cross the street to meet ANY politician.


I see your point, I'll even agree with most of it, but I don't blame kids not crossing the street the me a politician, and I hardly find that sad. Most politicians on both sides are scumbags, that are pompous jerks we'd be better off without. The Senate is filled with them.

[MacQuarrie]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.

Read it again. They DID recognize him. But even though they knew who he was, he didn't push the point, Good for him.

[Crowley]

I guess the pimple-faced kids that work there reported it. They said that no one yelled his name, called him, shook his hand, nothing. Joe Biden's just one of those guys you can't help but forget.

Only one 21 year old woman said that. Try reading articles you post.
If he was so forgettable this story wouldn't be in the news or posted by someone desperate for attention.

[MacQuarrie]

[/B]

I see your point, I'll even agree with most of it, but I don't blame kids not crossing the street the me a politician, and I hardly find that sad. Most politicians on both sides are scumbags, that are pompous jerks we'd be better off without. The Senate is filled with them.

Exactly. So here's one who isn't being a scumbag, and we're all going to beat on him for it.

[Royal]

I guess the pimple-faced kids that work there reported it.

And you're the vanilla midget who posted it.

[Black Atom]

[/B]

I see your point, I'll even agree with most of it, but I don't blame kids not crossing the street the me a politician, and I hardly find that sad. Most politicians on both sides are scumbags, that are pompous jerks we'd be better off without. The Senate is filled with them.

So are a lot of other celebrities that people would trample eachother to meet.

[Sally Sensational]

Good money says that Brad Pitt himself makes sure the Bidens get a showing of that movie now.

And I agree with Mac.

[KevinTBrown]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/2919745038_af27576ea9_o.jpg

[thebhamgunslinger]

I bet you've been dying to use that since you found it huh?

And I'm not a troll, sorry.

[4thHorseman]

Wow, what a worthless news story...

And what exactly am I supposed to get out of this?

[the4thpip]

Theb's less of a troll than a crybaby.

http://www.webdelsol.com/The_Potomac/issue2/crybaby.jpg

[Alex Scott]

And I'm not a troll, sorry.
Saying that doesn't make it true.

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

Sometimes you just have to admire their stamina.

Saw a letter in the newspaper the other day insisting at least GWB doesn't smoke, like Obama...

[Tobias March]

Sometimes you just have to admire their stamina.

Saw a letter in the newspaper the other day insisting at least GWB doesn't smoke, like Obama...

Ah but he did enjoy a good snort back in the day.

[section 8]

Damnit Joe, Buy the bootleg!!

[section 8]

So what? I'm a reasonably informed woman I wouldn't recrognize Cheney if he sat down next to me.

Also, consider as well the possibility that A) people might have been being polite B) It's Deleware it's the winter, which means it's fucking cold outside. I live in the Midwest, I've gone to movies in the Winter time, most of the time you want to get your bleeping tickets, get into the theatre, get your bleeping heavy coat off and get warm! C) Other teenagers and young people there didn't fucking care. If he had been Gerard Way they might have given a damn but there are (sadly) a lot of teenagers who wouldn't even cross the street to meet ANY politician.

I met Biden
And Senator Clinton
And Fmr Sen John Edwards, and his Parents.

But I'm no teenager

(Who the fuck is Gerard Way?)

[thebhamgunslinger]

Saying that doesn't make it true.

True, but being a fairly regular poster here does.

[Joe Rice]

True, but being a fairly regular poster here does.

Regulars can troll. You troll. Sometimes you post normally sometimes you troll.

[KevinTBrown]

Regulars can troll. You troll. Sometimes you post normally most of the time you troll.

Sorry Joe, had to correct that for you.

[Draconomicon]

This guy's about to become the Vice President of the United States, and nobody in this movie theatre, save some pimple-faced kids that work there recognize him? Nobody? Seems to really have made an impression on the people. Hilarious.

With all the things happening in the world... this is your news post?

[Nick Soapdish]

They should've gone to MovieTickets.com! (I really hate those ads. Except the one where they were trying to figure out how to spell. "There's no R in tickets." "It's a silent R.")

It's nice to hear that Biden wasn't a jerk about it, but really that's about par for the course on what I expect of people. It's also nice that they don't treat him like a celebrity. There are a few politicians that get a bit too much of that.

[thebhamgunslinger]

Sorry Joe, had to correct that for you.

Tell you what, why don't you quit trolling on my thread.

[the4thpip]

Tell you what, why don't you quit trolling on my thread.

http://flabbergastedly.com/wp-content/uploads/Chatbilleder/boo%20fucking%20hoo.jpg

[beetlebum]

Tell you what, why don't you quit trolling on my thread.

Why don't you quit picking on Kevin, and quit trolling in general?

[Matt Doc Martin]

Tell you what, why don't you quit trolling on my thread.

Would you consider that maybe this is a rather idiotic thread?

And that you kind of missed the whole point in your slanted reading of the article?

Joe Biden goes to sold out movie, fails to cause ruckus.

Goerge Bush says "Mission Accomplished" and the war goes to absolute shit, with thousands of soldiers and many more civilians dying needlessly.

Here's an idea for a thread: "Sorry, Obama...you won the Presidency but it is for the United States. Good luck."

[MacQuarrie]

Tell you what, why don't you quit trolling on my thread.

You've got to be kidding.

Once you post it, it's not "your" thread anymore. You don't get to control it or say what's okay or not. That's simply not how it works. There are only a handful of people who can dictate what is or is not acceptable or permitted in this or any other tread, and you are not one of them.

Maybe if you stop acting like a douche, people will stop responding so badly to you. But I suspect maybe you enjoy the attention.

[KevinTBrown]

Why don't you quit picking on Kevin, and quit trolling in general?

I'm a big boy, but thanks....

http://kinkycomments.com/pics/self_description/devilish/0041.gif

[sk716]

If this line of "conversation" persists, I may feel the need to start smiting with modly might, again.

[thebhamgunslinger]

You've got to be kidding.

Once you post it, it's not "your" thread anymore. You don't get to control it or say what's okay or not. That's simply not how it works. There are only a handful of people who can dictate what is or is not acceptable or permitted in this or any other tread, and you are not one of them.

Maybe if you stop acting like a douche, people will stop responding so badly to you. But I suspect maybe you enjoy the attention.

So someone tells me to quit trolling = good.
I tell someone to quit trolling and all of a sudden it's a free country where everybody can post what they want......except me.

Gotcha.:rolleyes:

[Tobias March]

So someone tells me to quit trolling = good.
I tell someone to quit trolling and all of a sudden it's a free country where everybody can post what they want......except me.

Gotcha.:rolleyes:

Yes damn those liberals with their argument....and opinions and .....junk. And stuff.

[thebhamgunslinger]

Yes damn those liberals with their argument....and opinions and .....junk. And stuff.

Okay, some I'm understanding that only liberals can have opinions here. Very accepting.

[Paul McEnery]

Yes damn those liberals with their argument....and opinions and .....junk. And stuff.

Apparently liberals are supposed to just accept right wing crazy talk as true now. Why did nobody send me the memo?

[beetlebum]

Yes damn those liberals with their argument....and opinions and .....junk. And stuff.


YEAH!

Damn liberals. *huffs*

Nevermind the fact that MaQuarrie and I are aren't liberals (cos after all, would a liberal read the works of Russell Kirk and agree with a lot of what he says ?) but for the sake of making thebhamgunslinger feel better, let's pretend we are. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0017.gif

:p

[Paul McEnery]

YEAH!

Damn liberals. *huffs*

Nevermind the fact that MaQuarrie and I are aren't liberals (cos after all, would a liberal read the works of Russell Kirk and agree with a lot of what he says ?) but for the sake of making thebhamgunslinger feel better, let's pretend we are. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0017.gif

:p

Yeah, but you are.

Because the opposite of liberal is not conservative but authoritarian.

[beetlebum]

No, I'm not. I know what my political views are, Paul. I know them better than you.

This is just mere semantics.

[Tobias March]

YEAH!

Damn liberals. *huffs*

Nevermind the fact that MaQuarrie and I are aren't liberals (cos after all, would a liberal read the works of Russell Kirk and agree with a lot of what he says ?) but for the sake of making thebhamgunslinger feel better, let's pretend we are. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0017.gif

:p

I know, he took the bait :tongue:

[Paul McEnery]

No, I'm not. I know what my political views are, Paul. I know them better than you.

This is just mere semantics.

No it isn't. The demonization of "liberals" has occured strictly because of the far right nutballs who've taken over the right in this country.

Conservatism is a liberalism. Conservatism that opposes liberalism isn't conservatism at all -- it's fascism. Pretty straightforward.

[beetlebum]

Out of genuine curiosity: What do you mean by "Conservatism is a liberalism"?

[Paul McEnery]

Out of genuine curiosity: What do you mean by "Conservatism is a liberalism"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

The people who call themselves "movement conservatives" aren't conservatives at all; they're the far right with a marketing consultant.

Now that's semantics!

[beetlebum]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

Fine. You do have a point there.

But the thing is: I don't like defining myself by labels like "conservative" or "liberal"; I find them too restrictive, and they don't really define who I am.

So when someone asks me what my political views are, I tell them "fairly conservative", or "mostly libertarian".

In fact, on my Facebook page, it states that I'm a "Libertarian/Progressive". That seems like the best way I can pithily sum up my political views.

[PatrickG]

Yeah, but you are.

Because the opposite of liberal is not conservative but authoritarian.

Okay... Thread drift time.

From observing my own authoritarian/fascist impulses, I'd be inclined to say, within my own psyche, the struggle is between liberty/tolerence and assertion of self-need and self-actualization.

Humans are strange creatures. We want eachother. We crave eachother. We need eachother. And we're incapable of fulfilling or even simply not destroying eachother.

The world as I'd need it to be in order to feel sovereign in self, content and productive, for the American Dream or promised life to be within my reach, would need to be pretty harshly reshaped. I don't feel like I can have an average job, a marriage, a community, kids, good health, a retirement and leisure time without the world changing in ways that would pretty heavily inconvenience other people.

At the same time, I just wish everybody whose needs don't mirror mine would shut the hell up and leave me alone so I can focus on my own shit.

I'm not sure there's a simple up, down, right or wrong to the liberty/authority dichotomy or that you can even identify where someone really falls on these issues.

Presumably, you'd be willing to send armed IRS agents and/or police after someone who refused to pay taxes and was would rather, quite literally, die or engage in violence rather than pay them. Isn't that authoritarian?

[beetlebum]

.....Or, what Patrick said.

[PatrickG]

Fine. You do have a point there.

But the thing is: I don't like defining myself by labels like "conservative" or "liberal"; I find them too restrictive, and they don't really define who I am.

So when someone asks me what my political views are, I tell them "fairly conservative", or "mostly libertarian".

In fact, on my Facebook page, it states that I'm a "Libertarian/Progressive". That seems like the best way I can pithily sum up my political views.

I changed mine to "Elitist" during the election. I really don't give a damn about what the government wants to do anymore as long as it isn't wholesale genocide and people I care about can eat. But I demand competence in style and execution without regard to the values espoused now.

I keep falling back on my maxim: "The means justify the ends."

I will gladly go to Hell but I'll demand that the road be paved with good intentions.

Do it the right way and you can pursue whatever you want as far as I'm concerned.

[Paul McEnery]

Fine. You do have a point there.

But the thing is: I don't like defining myself by labels like "conservative" or "liberal"; I find them too restrictive, and they don't really define who I am.

So when someone asks me what my political views are, I tell them "fairly conservative", or "mostly libertarian".

In fact, on my Facebook page, it states that I'm a "Libertarian/Progressive". That seems like the best way I can pithily sum up my political views.

Well, exactly. Liberal.

America is a Liberal Democracy, and the Constitution is Liberal.

The fact that you've been alienated from liberalism, and made to think that your position isn't a liberal one, and made to think of liberal as "those guys" rather than "us guys" is kind of an important point about American politics for the last 60 years.

It's certainly an important point about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich. If they hate liberals, then what does that say about them?

[Paul McEnery]

Okay... Thread drift time.

From observing my own authoritarian/fascist impulses, I'd be inclined to say, within my own psyche, the struggle is between liberty/tolerence and assertion of self-need and self-actualization.

Humans are strange creatures. We want eachother. We crave eachother. We need eachother. And we're incapable of fulfilling or even simply not destroying eachother.

The world as I'd need it to be in order to feel sovereign in self, content and productive, for the American Dream or promised life to be within my reach, would need to be pretty harshly reshaped. I don't feel like I can have an average job, a marriage, a community, kids, good health, a retirement and leisure time without the world changing in ways that would pretty heavily inconvenience other people.

At the same time, I just wish everybody whose needs don't mirror mine would shut the hell up and leave me alone so I can focus on my own shit.

I'm not sure there's a simple up, down, right or wrong to the liberty/authority dichotomy or that you can even identify where someone really falls on these issues.

Presumably, you'd be willing to send armed IRS agents and/or police after someone who refused to pay taxes and was would rather, quite literally, die or engage in violence rather than pay them. Isn't that authoritarian?

I do like the Bart Kosko/Libertarian fuzzy logic Greimas square thingy -- although it doesn't define the field of liberalism, but rather the field of libertarianism, so it needs to be adjusted. But otherwise good.

And it is foolish to imagine that the social contract isn't a velvet glove. Everything is necessarily predicated on either a previous exercise in force or a threatened exercise in force.

It's interesting you'd pick on the tax issue rather than, say, the murder or theft issue. Of course we send the police after a murderer or a thief. The alternative is that people have to take the law into their own hands, and that just gets messy and unjust. Refusing to pay your fair share for the maintenance of society is an act of theft -- and, I dare say, murder, indirectly. So yes, the police of some sort or another get involved on our behalf, or there's worse trouble to come.

Policing the social contract is the liberal solution, because the alternative is a devolution into authoritariansim. Paradoxical, but the lesser of two evils often is.

[PatrickG]

Well, exactly. Liberal.

America is a Liberal Democracy, and the Constitution is Liberal.

The fact that you've been alienated from liberalism, and made to think that your position isn't a liberal one, and made to think of liberal as "those guys" rather than "us guys" is kind of an important point about American politics for the last 60 years.

It's certainly an important point about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich. If they hate liberals, then what does that say about them?

There is a real distinction worth making, though. Some people use liberal as a slur.

But I'd argue that when you see BB, Mac or me argue that we aren't "liberal", we're simply stating that we aren't proponents of socialist reform or, necessarily, major cultural transformation based around specific ideologies developed in the last 100 years or so. What muddies things now is that Republicans and Democrats are both socialist parties now and it's about who should get redistributed wealth.

[MacQuarrie]

So someone tells me to quit trolling = good.
I tell someone to quit trolling and all of a sudden it's a free country where everybody can post what they want......except me.

Gotcha.:rolleyes:
Wow, you are spectacular at missing the point. You should try out for the Olympic Point-Missing Team. You're that good.

Go back and fucking READ what I said.
I never once used the word "troll". I did not in any way address your calling Joe or anyone else a troll. I did not say you couldn't tell them to stop trolling.

What I DID say was:

(1) It's not "your" thread
(2) if you stop acting like a douche, people might stop treating you like a douche.

Neither of those have anything to do with trolling.

Now stop being stupid.

[beetlebum]

Well, exactly. Liberal.

America is a Liberal Democracy, and the Constitution is Liberal.

The fact that you've been alienated from liberalism, and made to think that your position isn't a liberal one, and made to think of liberal as "those guys" rather than "us guys" is kind of an important point about American politics for the last 60 years.

It's certainly an important point about the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich. If they hate liberals, then what does that say about them?

FYI: I haven't been completely alienated from liberalism. If I have, than why would I embrace aspects of the Progressive movement? I don't despise it the same way Limbaugh and Gingrich do; I am not that ignorant, nor do I thrive off of making dichotomies.

And as you said, "traditional" (as I like to call it) conservatism does share key aspects of Classic Liberalism. So therefore, I am not completely alienated.

And you could just be oversimplifying this; you can still oppose aspects of liberalism and not be a "fascist".

[MacQuarrie]

Okay, some I'm understanding that only liberals can have opinions here. Very accepting.

That is a great big steaming pile of bullshit.

There are a number of conservative people here who get along fine, myself among them.

You will find a lot of unabashed clobbering of brain-dead party hacks whose political beliefs are whatever their party heads tell them to believe, but I think that's fair game. If this describes you, then you'll just have to take your lumps until you learn to form some political opinions of your own that don't come from somebody's "talking points" memo.

You'll also find a lot of unabashed clobbering of people who spew their opinions as fact and have little regard for either the feelings of others or the legitimacy of opposing viewpoints. If this describes you, then you'll just have to take your lumps until you learn to express your view while maintaining respect for others, and learn to discuss rather than declare.

In little words, so you will understand:

It is not what you say. It is the way you say it. You are acting like a jerk, and people do not like you because of it. Do not try to blame your being a jerk on being a conservative or on other people being liberal. That is bullshit.

[PatrickG]

It's interesting you'd pick on the tax issue rather than, say, the murder or theft issue. Of course we send the police after a murderer or a thief. The alternative is that people have to take the law into their own hands, and that just gets messy and unjust. Refusing to pay your fair share for the maintenance of society is an act of theft -- and, I dare say, murder, indirectly. So yes, the police of some sort or another get involved on our behalf, or there's worse trouble to come.

Policing the social contract is the liberal solution, because the alternative is a devolution into authoritariansim. Paradoxical, but the lesser of two evils often is.

And again, what if I wanted to take the law into my own hands? What if I preferred the world to be messy and didn't feel I could live in a world that wasn't?

I don't think people fit into boxes like that. I think virtually every large atrocity was justified by another attrocity rather than on its own merits. They did this so we can do that.

Maybe what we need is just that rigid application of Sermon on the Mount that Obama joked that our own DoD wouldn't pass. Maybe if everybody just said, "I'd rather be dead than fucked around with. Either kill me or let me be." And then the human race could either die or get along, maybe that would be preferable. Maybe everybody just needs to say, "Come and get me. Destroy me. I don't care. God or whatever guiding principles you believe in can deal with me and everything else for that matter."

I know I feel that way sometimes.

[MacQuarrie]

While we're on the subject, "Republican" does not equal "Conservative" and "Democrat" does not equal "Liberal".

Hell, for that matter, "Liberal" does not equal "liberal".

[Paul McEnery]

Hell, for that matter, "Liberal" does not equal "liberal".

I don't know. That's a very liberal approach to the word. I'm more conservative about it, myself.

[Paul McEnery]

And again, what if I wanted to take the law into my own hands? What if I preferred the world to be messy and didn't feel I could live in a world that wasn't?

I don't think people fit into boxes like that.

Well, you say that. Then again, people with that kind of an attitude often find themselves fitted into boxes. :evilsmile:


I think virtually every large atrocity was justified by another attrocity rather than on its own merits. They did this so we can do that.

Tell that to the Mongul Hordes.

[MacQuarrie]

Tell that to the Mongul Hordes.

I tried, but they don't listen worth a damn.