Who should have killed Mary Jane?

[Alan2099]

I've heard lots of people say they'd rather have had MJ die than the deal with Mephisto, so let's run with that.

Let's say MJ has to bite it, who would you like to have pulling the trigger?

And don't say "nobody" (unless you mean the Spider-girl enemy Mr. Nobody). If you don't want her dead then by all means, feel free to skip this topic.

Keep in mind killing Gwen was basically what took Green Goblin from being just another enemy in the rogue's gallery to being a number #1 foe.

Me, I'd say if MJ has to die, I'd go with Dr. Octopus doing it, but I wouldn't make it a malicious deed. Basically, she's happen to be there, or running up or something, and he'd strike out and accidentally kill her, after which he pretty much immediately stops fighting and apologizes. I'd think it would be an interesting dynamic to have Spider-man being unable to forgive a foe that really didn't mean to do it at all and is really and truly sorry.

And if not Dr. Octopus, then she should get ran over by Big Wheel. :biggrin:

[Matt Linton]

Doc Ock is already responsible for the death of George Stacy.

[oldschool]

I've heard lots of people say they'd rather have had MJ die than the deal with Mephisto, so let's run with that.

Let's say MJ has to bite it, who would you like to have pulling the trigger?

And don't say "nobody" (unless you mean the Spider-girl enemy Mr. Nobody). If you don't want her dead then by all means, feel free to skip this topic.

Keep in mind killing Gwen was basically what took Green Goblin from being just another enemy in the rogue's gallery to being a number #1 foe.

Me, I'd say if MJ has to die, I'd go with Dr. Octopus doing it, but I wouldn't make it a malicious deed. Basically, she's happen to be there, or running up or something, and he'd strike out and accidentally kill her, after which he pretty much immediately stops fighting and apologizes. I'd think it would be an interesting dynamic to have Spider-man being unable to forgive a foe that really didn't mean to do it at all and is really and truly sorry.

And if not Dr. Octopus, then she should get ran over by Big Wheel. :biggrin:

First off, I don't want her dead but wanted to post here anyway because I find this topic interesting!:biggrin: But, if she were to be offed, I always thought that it would be neat twist for her death to not come at the hands of a supervillain but instead have her die a heroic death in the midst of a bank robbery or something of that sort that Spidey was fighting. Perhaps she tries to get some innocents bystanders out of the way as Captain Stacy did when he died. Spidey at least could take some solace in that and not have another supervillian just off her.....just a thought......

[Alan2099]

Doc Ock is already responsible for the death of George Stacy.

That's okay. It's not like he's got a limit and once he reaches it, he's not allowed to kill anybody anymore.

[Toku King]

Green Goblin. Imagine how damn perfect that would be.

[Alan2099]

Green Goblin. Imagine how damn ironic that would be.

Is there a bridge going to be involved?

[CBikle]

If she had to die, it shouldn't be because of her connection to Spider Man, the plot hook should be tied into her modeling, soap opera career(s) or something else.

I guess her death could be Spider Man-related, but then the writer(s) have to contend with how Peter deals with the guilt from it and why he wouldn't just kill the villain responsible (a temporarily insane Harry Osborn or Ben Reilly ?).

It could just be one of those random deaths that happen in real life (although later on, some writer would tie it into some byzantine conspiracy story).

[Patrick Hultquist]

How about not dead, but driven hopelessly insane by Mysterio? I mean locked up, drooling Arkham Asylum insane, not therapy and pep pills insane.

Happy New Year! 1st post of 2009!

[CBikle]

Green Goblin. Imagine how damn perfect that would be.

Yeah, but then you're going to have a much-different Spider Man afterwards.

Having Norman Osborne (not Harry right ?) kill Peter's romantic interest a second time sends the message that Spider Man is a dunce for not killing Osborn when he had the chance.

[oldschool]

How about not dead, but driven hopelessly insane by Mysterio? I mean locked up, drooling Arkham Asylum insane, not therapy and pep pills insane.

Happy New Year! 1st post of 2009!

Bru just did something very similar over in Daredevil with Mr. Fear; great story but would have more weight if we cared more about DD's wife who is a very incidental and relatively recent character. I like your idea much better.

[Alan2099]

Daredevil was married?

[Dr. Chaos]

Norman Osborn and his good friend Mr. George Washington Bridge.

..seriously though, the bridge, not the MU character.

(The blonde wig is optional)

[oldschool]

Daredevil was married?

Yes. It was done kind of low-key but he married a blind woman named Milla. Couple of years back......the recent Mr. Fear story is quite good; don't know if it is in TPB but, if so, it is worth checking out.

[The Shadow]

Daredevil was married?

He still is.

His wife, Milla Donovan, is in an asylum because she was driven insane by Mr Fear.

[Dr. Chaos]

He still is.

His wife, Milla Donovan, is in an asylum because she was driven insane by Mr Fear.
And Matt is getting it on with a private detective.

It's great.

Daredevil: The penis without shame.

[The Shadow]

As to the topic in question... I think it should be some random bus accident.

Why you ask? Well, why not?

If it MUST be a villain, I think it should be a nobody villain and that event propels him/her into the upper echelon of Spidey villains.

Lets face it, Norman's gone global, a new serious bad guy is always a good thing if done right.

[The Shadow]

And Matt is getting it on with a private detective.

It's great.

Daredevil: The penis without shame.
True enough!

But I have always liked Dakota so it's all good for me. :biggrin:

[Dr. Chaos]

As to the topic in question... I think it should be some random bus accident.

Why you ask? Well, why not?

If it MUST be a villain, I think it should be a nobody villain and that event propels him/her into the upper echelon of Spidey villains.

Lets face it, Norman's gone global, a new serious bad guy is always a good thing if done right.
Sounds like a job for Overdrive (and possibly Jeph Loeb).

*Spider-Man holds Overdrive over the side of a building*

Spider-Man: I'm going to kill you!

Overdrive: Wait! Please god no! Before you do...autograph?

Spider-Man: ....

*Spider-Man lets go and Overdrive plummets to his death while singing the old Spider-Man theme song*


True enough!

But I have always liked Dakota so it's all good for me.
Same here, actually.

[The Shadow]

Sounds like a job for Overdrive (and possibly Jeph Loeb).

I'd like to see Loeb do an arc or two. It wouldn't be deep reading but I bet it would be a blast.

[steveg887]

I'd like to see Loeb do an arc or two. It wouldn't be deep reading but I bet it would be a blast.

Loeb's is doing a twelve-issue Spider-Man mini-series with J. Scott Campbell.

I really want to get it for the art, but Loeb's writing has me wary.

As for who should kill MJ? I really like Shadow's suggestion of a random bus accident. The irony of the whole situation would be fantastic.

[oldschool]

Loeb's is doing a twelve-issue Spider-Man mini-series with J. Scott Campbell.

I really want to get it for the art, but Loeb's writing has me wary.

As for who should kill MJ? I really like Shadow's suggestion of a random bus accident. The irony of the whole situation would be fantastic.

Not to be a buzzkill, but let us not forget MJ was killed in a random airplane accident during the horrendous Mackie run. No one liked that, so she got better.....:rolleyes:

[JamesOliva]

Loeb's is doing a twelve-issue Spider-Man mini-series with J. Scott Campbell.

I really want to get it for the art, but Loeb's writing has me wary.

As for who should kill MJ? I really like Shadow's suggestion of a random bus accident. The irony of the whole situation would be fantastic.

Where's the irony?

[steveg887]

Where's the irony?

The fact that, as the wife of Spider-Man, you'd think she'd meet her at the hands of some crazed super-villain, but instead she just accidentally gets hit by a bus.

[JamesOliva]

The fact that, as the wife of Spider-Man, you'd think she'd meet her at the hands of some crazed super-villain, but instead she just accidentally gets hit by a bus.

That's not irony. That just sucks. It would be irony if in trying to put her out of harm's way she was killed. Just having her hit by a bus (ala City of Angles) isn't really irony and is a bit anti-climatic especially for a series that is going to run for another 40-50 years,

[The Shadow]

Where's the irony?


The fact that, as the wife of Spider-Man, you'd think she'd meet her at the hands of some crazed super-villain, but instead she just accidentally gets hit by a bus.


That's not irony. That just sucks. It would be irony if in trying to put her out of harm's way she was killed. Just having her hit by a bus (ala City of Angles) isn't really irony and is a bit anti-climatic especially for a series that is going to run for another 40-50 years,

It could be situational irony at its loosest definition.

[steveg887]

That's not irony. That just sucks. It would be irony if in trying to put her out of harm's way she was killed. Just having her hit by a bus (ala City of Angles) isn't really irony and is a bit anti-climatic especially for a series that is going to run for another 40-50 years,

It's ironic because the reader expects one thing to happen (killed by a villain), only to have something at the complete end of the spectrum to happen (accidentally run over).

The incongruity between what is expected and what actually happens is what makes it ironic.

What you said is ironic, as well. But irony is a pretty broad term that can encompass a lot of situations.

[JamesOliva]

It could be situational irony at its loosest definition.

Yeah but not presented in the way irony is traditionally used in fiction.

[JamesOliva]

It's ironic because the reader expects one thing to happen (killed by a villain), only to have something at the complete end of the spectrum to happen (accidentally run over).

The incongruity between what is expected and what actually happens is what makes it ironic.

What you said is ironic, as well. But irony is a pretty broad term that can encompass a lot of situations.
Just because the reader doesn't expect it doesn't make it ironic. Especially in terms of how it's used in literature.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony?jss=1

In Literature:
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.

[steveg887]

Just because the reader doesn't expect it doesn't make it ironic. Especially in terms of how it's used in literature.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony?jss=1

In Literature:
a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.

Well, the fifth definition on there is "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected," which is the definition that I was going by.

Something tells me we're just going to be going back and forth, so I'll just concede. It doesn't seem like irony to you, but it does to me.

It's all moot anyway since MJ's not his wife anymore.

[Alan2099]

It'd be ironic if she saved her from a super villain, let her down on the sidewalk so she could get away, and then she got hit by a runaway bus.

It would also be rather hilarious in a dark humor kinda way.

[JamesOliva]

It'd be ironic if she saved her from a super villain, let her down on the sidewalk so she could get away, and then she got hit by a runaway bus.

It would also be rather hilarious in a dark humor kinda way.

That would be ironic.

[The Shadow]

It would also be rather hilarious in a dark humor kinda way.
:biggrin:

Agreed!

[Aziz Abbasi]

Keep in mind killing Gwen was basically what took Green Goblin from being just another enemy in the rogue's gallery to being a number #1 foe.

If not Dr. Octopus, then she should get ran over by Big Wheel. :biggrin:
I think the fact that G.G knew Peter is Spidey made him No.1

Big Wheel is dead for our good fortune (don't want to see a gigantic wheel walking in front of Rhino)

To kill M.J the best one would be: Norman Osbourn, he screws her to death:eek:

[DeadXMan]

MJ should of done it.
suicide is better then another minute of listening to Pete becoming more and more emo

[Evil-Spidey]

I really think they would have been stupid enough to actually have her thrown off a bridge seeing how they like to retell old stories until they are dead and having people thrown off bridges in a Spider-Man comic is more than dead.

[Mister Mets]

Not to be a buzzkill, but let us not forget MJ was killed in a random airplane accident during the horrendous Mackie run. No one liked that, so she got better.....:rolleyes: From my understanding, she was always meant to be alive. Although there were plans to bring her back in the 50th issues, at which time Peter's found someone else.

[Nefarius]

It'd be ironic if she saved her from a super villain, let her down on the sidewalk so she could get away, and then she got hit by a runaway bus.

It would also be rather hilarious in a dark humor kinda way.

I would accept that solution only if the bus driver is....Spot.Let Spot get some credibility.:biggrin:

[KJ_81]

I'd have her die in a more 'normal' way - car crash or something like that. Heck, even a drug overdose if you wanted to make things really interesting (Peter struggling with the fact that he never really knew MJ at all, that she was a user etc etc) and Peter struggling to deal with the fact that she died from something his abilities could not influence. Coke overdose would be perfect: fits the modelling biz, and also have Peter discover her journals or something, where he finds out she needed it as a way to cope with the worry that every time he left, it may have been the last time she'd see him. That he, as the hero, was completely powerless.

[ComiXFanBoy]

have venom (macgargan) kill her since she is afraid of the black suit and the alien symbiote knew spideys identity

From my understanding, she was always meant to be alive. Although there were plans to bring her back in the 50th issues, at which time Peter's found someone else.
with jill stacy i think?

[Mister Mets]

I'd have her die in a more 'normal' way - car crash or something like that. Heck, even a drug overdose if you wanted to make things really interesting (Peter struggling with the fact that he never really knew MJ at all, that she was a user etc etc) and Peter struggling to deal with the fact that she died from something his abilities could not influence. Coke overdose would be perfect: fits the modelling biz, and also have Peter discover her journals or something, where he finds out she needed it as a way to cope with the worry that every time he left, it may have been the last time she'd see him. That he, as the hero, was completely powerless.There was the idea someone here proposed of having her die in childbirth, so that Peter would be left to take care of a young kid, and the situation would actually accentuate his youth.

I think it would have been slightly better if she had died of natural causes, shortly after the child was born, just because it sends a messed up message to have a woman die in childbirth nowadays (although it still happens rarely.)

Note- I'm not endorsing either plan, but it would probably not piss off Mary Jane fans, and it wouldn't result in stability for a new widower/ father.


with jill stacy i think?I believe so.

[Gordon Smith]

There was the idea someone here proposed of having her die in childbirth, so that Peter would be left to take care of a young kid, and the situation would actually accentuate his youth.



Followed no doubt, by an award-winning, heart-breaking ''Peter gives up his child for adoption because he doesn't feel fit to raise it'' story, which would in turn, many years down the road, be succeeded by a somewhat less moving tale informing us the child never really existed, but was actually just an illusion generated by Mysterio in order to mess with Peter's mind.

[Alan2099]

Followed no doubt, by an award-winning, heart-breaking ''Peter gives up his child for adoption because he doesn't feel fit to raise it'' story, which would in turn, many years down the road, be succeeded by a somewhat less moving tale informing us the child never really existed, but was actually just an illusion generated by Mysterio in order to mess with Peter's mind.

Figure out how to work the Green Goblin into that somewhere and I think you've got something!

[Regulus B.]

Figure out how to work the Green Goblin into that somewhere and I think you've got something!

GG adopts the kid, spinning a tale of callous abandonment, and prepares him or her to attack Peter in the future?

[Karl Cook]

Ok, I think Professor Plum, in the library, with the candlestick... Do I win?!:biggrin:

[marvell2100]

Who should have killed MJ? When did she get killed before?

[Alan2099]

Who should have killed MJ? When did she get killed before?

Airplane explosion. Turned out she didn't really die.

[CyberHubbs]

I would have had Bullseye kill MJ, so when Spidey and DD team-up, they can look at each other and be like, "You too, huh? Man..."

[Mister Mets]

Followed no doubt, by an award-winning, heart-breaking ''Peter gives up his child for adoption because he doesn't feel fit to raise it'' story, which would in turn, many years down the road, be succeeded by a somewhat less moving tale informing us the child never really existed, but was actually just an illusion generated by Mysterio in order to mess with Peter's mind.
I explicitly said it was an idea I would not have supported. Hell, I'm not in favor of any method of killing Mary Jane.

[Gordon Smith]

I explicitly said it was an idea I would not have supported. Hell, I'm in favor of any method of killing Mary Jane.

My comment was meant to be humorous. I should probably avoid attempting humor in future.

[RDMacQ]

I explicitly said it was an idea I would not have supported. Hell, I'm in favor of any method of killing Mary Jane.

WHOA, biased much??

[Mister Mets]

WHOA, biased much??Left out a very important word. It's all been edited.


"Hell, I'm not in favor of any method of killing Mary Jane."

[Mister Mets]

My comment was meant to be humorous. I should probably avoid attempting humor in future.That would be best.

[RDMacQ]

Left out a very important word. It's all been edited.


"Hell, I'm not in favor of any method of killing Mary Jane."

Alright then, good that's cleared up.

[NickGuy]

I've heard lots of people say they'd rather have had MJ die than the deal with Mephisto, so let's run with that.

Let's say MJ has to bite it, who would you like to have pulling the trigger?



VENOM. he scares the shit out of her, itd be perfect if he just terrorized her all night long. :evilsmile:

[NickGuy]

I would have had Bullseye kill MJ, so when Spidey and DD team-up, they can look at each other and be like, "You too, huh? Man..."

hahah and then bendis can write a 12 issue "event" of spidey and dd sitting in a bar bitching about their lives.

[spiderman_rj]

I should, had they left it to me, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[gorthon616]

Pre-Civil War.... have MJ be killed in a "New Warriors"-esque event of uncontrolled super-heroes inflicting some collateral damage as they defeat a supervillain.

This would have been a much more compelling event then Stamford to get the ground rolling on Civil War and would entrench MJ forever in Marvel lore.