Worst movie based on a Marvel character?

[whiteshark]

So which movie is the worst out there??
My vote goes for the Man Thing movie.
I think i dont even have to explain this one...
Its just terible.
Vote in your worst Marvel movie.:cool:

[Sabaition]

Man-Thing was bad. But there's jut no excuse for Electra.

I would rather sit in front of a mirror and watch my own eyes pulled out then sit through that again. I would rather have my testicles removed using tiny plastic kid toy suger spoons. I would actually and I SWEAR THIS.. I would rather watch Cat Woman... An like it, then see the soggy floppy puss filled boil that was Electra again.

[Indigo Al]

How about Iron Man?

[Sabaition]

Iron Man??? How could you possible not like Iron Man?

[kalorama]

I thought Elektra was less than terrible. It was deeply flawed and ill-conceived in a number of ways, but there were some enjoyable parts, mostly owing to Jennifer Garner's performance. Daredevil, on the other hand, was a smoking heap of awful.

[AlistairCrane]

Ooh, this is fun!! The original Captain America. The original Punisher. The original Fantastic Four. Nick Fury. Elektra.

[Ontir]

Ghostrider!

[Mike Smith]

Ghostrider!

Hey! I'll have you know Nick Cage was made for the title part, just as much as he was made to play Clark Kent! :tongue:

Seriously, I'm going to vote Elektra too. That movie just was not very good, though Daredevil and the first Fantastic 4 were less than admirable (though still somewhat fun, at least).

[Matt]

Ghostrider was pretty bad, not even the awesome presence of Sam Elliot (even though it helped) could make it good.

I didn't mind Daredevil so much.

Rise of the Silver Surfer ... yeah, that was pretty bad.

[Wolf-Man]

THIS Fantastic Four movie-

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=r_X5C6e3ZeY

[stealthwise]

X-Men: the Last Stand.

Watching that hunk of crap was like receiving a delicious bowl of French onion soup with an absolutely breathtaking plate of caesar salad, only to have the main entree being served over an open, and recently used, toilet bowl.

[darkwolf]

Daredevil. Only good thing about it was Jennifer Gardner. Christopher Reeves Superman series are a close second.

[Holacik]

Daredevil. Only good thing about it was Jennifer Gardner. Christopher Reeves Superman series are a close second.
Superman two is all kinds of awesome.

[Mike Smith]

Christopher Reeves Superman series are a close second.

Are you mainly talking about Superman 3 and 4?

[Karl O'Neill]

Top 10 worst marvel movies.

10.Punisher with Tomas jane
9.Daredevil
8.Ghost Rider
7.Punisher war zone
6.Spiderman 3
5.Electra
4.Punisher with Lungren
3.Fantastic four rise of the silver surfer.
2.Manthing
1.The First Fantastic four#

That's a bad track record.

[Toku King]

Roger Corman's "Fantastic Four" was awful, but you can't hate it simply because it's so bad that it's good. Besides, without wide release, it's ok to like it.

My nominations are "Man-Thing", which is absolutely nothing like the comic, "Ghost Rider", "Fantastic Four"(2005), "Elektra", "Captain America"(90s)(though I did like it when I was a kid), "Death Of The Incredible Hulk", "Hulk", and "Captain America"(70s).

[whiteshark]

The Fantastic Four (1994) movie was one of my options as well.
But watching this movie nowadays doesnt look that bad,for a comics movie from that time.And taking into account that this movie was never released at all.
Then my vote have to go for the Man Thing movie,for too many reasons.
First of all this movie barely reaches the quality to go directly to be a straight to television movie.
And more important for a movie that is based in a comic character this movie misses the point completely.
The character (Man-Thing) was never a vilian in the comics as far as i know,and in this movie he is a terible monster that kills people,and that the good guy have to track down and shoot him down.
So this have nothing to do with the comics at all.
I am not the bigest Man Thing expert in his story in the comics,but from all the stories i readed from this character this have nothing to do with the way he is portrayed in the movie.
I actually remember stories with him in which he teamed up with others heroes to fight enemies.
And there was always this big story that showed him as protector of a Dimensional Gate in the swamp where he was.
Didnt saw nothing of this in the movie :confused:

[Toku King]

Man-Thing wasn't evil in the movie, just a big, scary, stupid monster. That alone is far different from the comics.

[Superbeast]

The late 70s Dr Strange film. ABSOLUTELY AWFUL.

[Rod G]

Odd that no one's mentioned the maglined Howard the Duck film . . .

[kalorama]

Howard is deep into the "so bad it's great" territory. Personally, I'd remove most made for network TV movies from the running, esp. if they're more than 15 years old.

[Libaax]

1. Daredevil
2. Elektra


Elektra is really not as terrible as DD but i despise DD movie for he is one of the most famous heroes in marvel and he deserve a good movie that movie goers could see his potential as interesting character and superhero.

Lucky for me i didnt read DD when i saw the movie. Thats a blessing it would be too much seeing the movie like now when im such a big fan of Daredevil.

[shades of eternity]

everything before the marvel curse "broke" with the release of blade.

even the awful stuff made after simply doesn't hold a candle to the sheer horribleness of david hasselholf as nick fury :P

Then again, I will never speak bad of any movie with sam elliot. Honest, they should give him a role in the "marvel studio" universe and use him for everything he's worth.

[whiteshark]

1. Daredevil
2. Elektra


Elektra is really not as terrible as DD but i despise DD movie for he is one of the most famous heroes in marvel and he deserve a good movie that movie goers could see his potential as interesting character and superhero.

Lucky for me i didnt read DD when i saw the movie. Thats a blessing it would be too much seeing the movie like now when im such a big fan of Daredevil.


I actualy thought that the Daredevil movie is not as bad as i thought first.
Many of the elemts from the comics are here (Kingpin,Electra and Bulseye).
And that is good in a comic movie,but in the other hand the movie could be better but at least here the director tried to be faithfull to the comics,and that can not be said for many other Marvel films like Man Thing,Nicky Fury,Punisher (The first one),Howard the duck or even Electra.
This last one is much worst for me that the Daredevil movie in my opinion.
:cool:

[EZMOHR]

Tom Janeunisher. He sucks as an actor, bad-ass, and at anything outside of his one episode of Arrested Development. It also didn't help that anything outside of Kevin Nash as The Russian in The Punisher 04 was awful also. At least some of those cheapo Marvel movies have something fun in them somewhere that is sustained throughout the pic. At least Daredevil had a hammy Colin Farrell that made it somewhat alright. The Tom Jane Punisher was awful at just about everything.

[Chiasm]

X-men: The Last Stand

Could be a case study on how pretty CGI without character development equals crap.

[Athena Bast]

The first x-men movie is becoming very painful for me to watch now. The only thing that redeems it Ian MacKellen and Hugh Jackman.

[EZMOHR]

The first x-men movie is becoming very painful for me to watch now. The only thing that redeems it Ian MacKellen and Hugh Jackman.

I've been saying that since 2000, and I'm just glad now people are actually seeing this turd for what it is.

While X2 is one of the great gems in sci-fi/fantasy film making history....X-Men was closer to awful than good.

[beserkerclaw]

just curious why do people not like Daredevil and the Fantastic 4 movies i thought they were pretty good opinions please?

[Michael P]

Howard is deep into the "so bad it's great" territory. Personally, I'd remove most made for network TV movies from the running, esp. if they're more than 15 years old.

But then I couldn't make fun of that god-awful Generation X pilot.

[EZMOHR]

just curious why do people not like Daredevil and the Fantastic 4 movies i thought they were pretty good opinions please?

I don't like the Fantastic Four movies for the following reasons.

1.) Jessica Alba in no way conveys Sue Storm for me.
2.) I like Julian McMahon, and I actually think he could be an AWESOME Doom, but the writing for the movies is awful.

3.) I thought Chiklis would be the strong link in the movies....but Chris Evans is the only one who really gave a damn about the films. He was great. Chiklis (espically in #2,) was just awful.

4.) Gruffud isn't bad as Reed (and with a better script and director) could be good. But, I was so dead set on Alexis Denisof being Reed, no one would get a fair shake with me as Reed.

Daredevil...eh, I don't spit the bile at it that a lot do. It wasn't a good movie, but Colin Farrell as Bullseye makes me forget how awful the movie is.

[celticguy]

Roger Corman's Fantastic Four. Nothing else come close

[worstblogever]

Howard the Duck.


Although Elektra is surprising a close second.

[EZMOHR]

Man I feel bad, cause I think there are some fun moments in Howard the Duck.

[Michael P]

Man I feel bad, cause I think there are some fun moments in Howard the Duck.

Yeah, like when it's finally over and you can go do something else.

[EZMOHR]

Yeah, like when it's finally over and you can go do something else.

Well, to be honest, I haven't seen it since 1989, so, maybe I can't really remember it. I do remember think Tim Robbins was kind of funny in the movie the last time I saw it(of course that was 1989, and I was 10, and I'm really, really, really sauced up right now, thank you Dallas.)

[RazorBats79]

Serves me right for popping up late! Wolf Man got me with the very first Fantastic Four and Worstblogever with Howard the Duck!

So I'll just second them! And then add Electra and Fantastic Four 2 to that list.
Too bad its not a "Marvel and DC's worst..." because I can think of quite a few crapola movies of theirs! :biggrin:

[cosmoboy]

Daredevil. Only good thing about it was Jennifer Gardner. Christopher Reeves Superman series are a close second.

How does Superman rank 2nd for Worst Marvel movies?

[Michael P]

How does Superman rank 2nd for Worst Marvel movies?

Maybe he thought it was supposed to be a Hyperion movie?

[EZMOHR]

You know, I was going to say Ang Lee Hulk was the worst Marvel movie ever made, but I think it it has a better title........

Most Disappointing Movie Ever Made.

[ultramandingo]

..........spiderman 3 is the worst thing bruce campbell was ever in - yes , worse than " congo " - but he made up for it with " skyhigh "

[EZMOHR]

..........spiderman 3 is the worst thing bruce campbell was ever in - yes , worse than " congo " - but he made up for it with " skyhigh "

Whoa, I though Spider-Man 3 was awful outside of Topher Grace/James Franco/Bryce Dallas Howard. But lets not say things we can't take back, ala Congo NOT being the worst Bruce Campbell movie ever. The Sci-Fi movie with Bruce Campbell in the airport says Congo sucks.

[Ontir]

You know, I was going to say Ang Lee Hulk was the worst Marvel movie ever made[...]

Ang Lee's film is only missing one final battle, apart from that, it's a really good film, and in no way comparable to Ghostrider, X3, or Spider-Man 3!

[ultramandingo]

..........plus gamma poodles !!!! way cooler than venom

[EZMOHR]

Ang Lee's film is only missing one final battle, apart from that, it's a really good film, and in no way comparable to Ghostrider, X3, or Spider-Man 3!

Oh Ang Lee's Hulk has many high points and great things going for it. Eric Bana owns over Edward Norton, as does Sam Elliot acting own anything the hammy William Hurt did in the movie as well. And hell, Josh Lucas stole the show from everyone in the movie. Plus, the way the movie was filmed was incredible.......

It's just the fact when the movie was put together and shown as a whole, and the fact it didn't live up to the hype I expected of it, and the fact it was missing a villian and final battle...I just have to say, for me, personally, it is the most disappointing movie ever made.

The Incredible Hulk...it was just bad.

[Ontir]

Even with not living up to your hyped expectations :rolleyes: it is far and away a superior film to the three I mentioned earlier.

[EZMOHR]

Even with not living up to your hyped expectations :rolleyes: it is far and away a superior film to the three I mentioned earlier.

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about personal opinions.

[kalorama]

A seemingly common misconception.

[mr.brighteyes]

Incredible Hulk was not a bad movie. It was a fantastic movie. The Hulk looked better in it. Ed Norton is a better actor than Bana, Hurt was fine as Ross. We got to see Doc Sampson and the leader for a little bit in their previous identities and he even had a real villian to fight. The only problem I had with it was the way Abomanation looked and eve that I could deal with. The only thing good about Ang Lee's hulk was the picture in picture stuff he did.

I liked Daredevil and I liked Elektra but mainly because I didn't read the comics before hand. I still watch them fondly but personally I would like Daredevil to get a do over or a tv series.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Howard the Duck.


Although Elektra is surprising a close second.



Howard the Duck was infinitely more enjoyable than Daredevil, FF, SM3, et al.

At least you had the unintentional high camp factor of Lea Thompson having duck sex with a *****ing retarded looking duck.

There was nothing fun or remotely interesting about FF or FF2. Just by the numbers, viewer-insulting, mass-produced pablum.

[Ontir]

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about personal opinions.

My comment wasn't about your opinion, rather that you've based your assessment of the film on an expectation, not the film. Try watching the movie and seeing what it is, instead of watching to see what it isn't.

I liked Howard the Duck. It wasn't great by any stretch, but it was fun.

[Black Atom]

HULK joins SUPERMAN RETURNS on the list of comicbook adaptations that grossly missed the point. It's not right to call either bad films, but they're certainly unlikeable as hell.

The funny think about HULK and INCREDIBLE HULK is that, while I liked the latter more, they really trade off qualities quite a bit. Both movies fucked up the origin, but '08 Hulk did it worse by having Banner willingly submit himself to experimentation, rather than being irradiated while trying to save someone else, thus removing some of the tragedy.

Ross was a more relatable, and therefore more well-rounded and effective villain in the first movie.

Banner is better in the second movie because they seized upon the simplicity of what makes that character work--the fact that he's a normal guy that's constantly put-upon and pushed around by the whole world--not his myriad mother/father issues and other boring psuedo-psychology.

Hulk wasn't great in either movie, but actually think the first one got him more right as you really get the sense that Hulk is a stronger, stupider Banner, rather than an entirely seperate, monstrous entity. In the more recent movie, the Hulk may as well be the Cloverfield monster.

[Toku King]

HULK joins SUPERMAN RETURNS on the list of comicbook adaptations that grossly missed the point. It's not right to call either bad films, but they're certainly unlikeable as hell.

No, it's totally right to call them bad films, because that's what they were.

The funny think about HULK and INCREDIBLE HULK is that, while I liked the latter more, they really trade off qualities quite a bit.

Totally disagree.

Both movies fucked up the origin, but '08 Hulk did it worse by having Banner willingly submit himself to experimentation, rather than being irradiated while trying to save someone else, thus removing some of the tragedy.

It's different, but really, how does that remove the tragedy? He thought that he was helping people, but ended up being a lab rat for the army. And besides, the Hulk's origin isn't one of the best.

Ross was a more relatable, and therefore more well-rounded and effective villain in the first movie.

Yeah, but that isn't his character. If you want a sympathetic villain, then get one instead of making a character into it.

Banner is better in the second movie because they seized upon the simplicity of what makes that character work--the fact that he's a normal guy that's constantly put-upon and pushed around by the whole world--not his myriad mother/father issues and other boring psuedo-psychology.

That is something we agree on.

Hulk wasn't great in either movie, but actually think the first one got him more right as you really get the sense that Hulk is a stronger, stupider Banner, rather than an entirely seperate, monstrous entity. In the more recent movie, the Hulk may as well be the Cloverfield monster.

He's not a dumber, stronger Banner, though. That's something the first film got wrong. The Hulk has always been this monstrous entity of completely separate life up until they started to converge both personalities.

[Ontir]

Neither film is in anyway bad, but both aren't perfect.

What's really interesting about the Incredible Hulk is that it is very nakedly what critics of "SR" constantly claim it was: a sequel that's a re-make and a re-make that's a sequel. "IH" builds on elements from "Hulk," while changing continuity to suit its needs, and ultimately the only thing they really did was spend a vast amount of money to add the Abomination. It has a more satisfying ending, but it isn't a better film.

[Toku King]

You know, I was going to say Ang Lee Hulk was the worst Marvel movie ever made, but I think it it has a better title........

Most Disappointing Movie Ever Made.

Nah, that title goes to "Spider-Man 3".

[Toku King]

Neither film is in anyway bad, but both aren't perfect.

Ang Lee's "Hulk" was a bad movie, and "Superman Returns" was a bad movie.
What makes "The Incredible Hulk" a better reboot than "Superman Returns" is that it actually improved on what was wrong in the first one, and brought something new to the table. SR just rehashed old elements and dumbed them down.

[Ontir]

Bad as "Spider-Man 3" is, it's still not as bad as "Ghostrider!"

"Spider-Man 3" at least has moments where it escapes Raimi's masturbatory antics and delivers something real.
"Ghostrider" is just torment from the first frame, and crescendos in disgusting intensity to the bastardization of "the Grapes of Wrath" showdown with the devil.

Again, neither film was bad. Both had several really good points about them, which I've listed repeatedly many times.
"Incredible Hulk" was a waste of money as they could've just added the missing fight scene, tacked it on and released "the Hulk Redux" and given viewers a more satisfying experience. "SR" did a good job of transitioning between the very strong Donner base with a very seventies sensability, and preparing to move forward. It was just a bit slow. Oh, and Superman didn't punch anyone, which appears to be an unforgivable sin on Singer's part!

[Sean Whitmore]

In the more recent movie, the Hulk may as well be the Cloverfield monster.

I agree with you about each of the Hulk movies having their ups and downs, but I don't know form where you get this idea. Doesn't saving Betty twice indicate that the Hulk is basically a puffed-up Banner?


SEAN

[Black Atom]

No, it's totally right to call them bad films, because that's what they were.

I don't like them enough to defend them in this case.

Totally disagree.

It's different, but really, how does that remove the tragedy? He thought that he was helping people, but ended up being a lab rat for the army. And besides, the Hulk's origin isn't one of the best.

Because he willingly submitted. He knew there were risks, had time to consider them and took the plunge anyway, possibly because he thought the benefits to mankind were worth it. That's rather different from making a hasty decision to be a good samartian in a way that you end up paying for for the rest of your life.

Yeah, but that isn't his character. If you want a sympathetic villain, then get one instead of making a character into it.

Whether it was or not, it made him a more interesting villain.

He's not a dumber, stronger Banner, though. That's something the first film got wrong. The Hulk has always been this monstrous entity of completely separate life up until they started to converge both personalities.

I didn't explain myself well. In both movies, aside from liking Betty, Hulk is basically just a giant monster that bashes shit. I guess that's supposed to be fun, but there's really no reason to like or care about the Hulk. He's just a big dumb cypher for a testosterone tantrum. I don't think either movie really captured some of the humor or the child-like aspects of the Hulk that make him a character beyond being something big, dumb and CG.

[Black Atom]

I agree with you about each of the Hulk movies having their ups and downs, but I don't know form where you get this idea. Doesn't saving Betty twice indicate that the Hulk is basically a puffed-up Banner?


SEAN

I tried to elaborate a bit more in the above post.

Hulk seems to be a monster who's only redeeming quality is the fact that he doesn't want to smash Betty. I think Lee's Hulk did a bit better exploring some of the lonliness and almost childish wonder at his own abilities of the Hulk when he kinda wanders on his own for a bit. You actually feel bad for him--he just wants to be left alone and keeps getting bombed and shot at and stuff.

[kalorama]

HULK joins SUPERMAN RETURNS on the list of comicbook adaptations that grossly missed the point. It's not right to call either bad films, but they're certainly unlikeable as hell.

While I think both fell short of what they could/should have been, I thought both had a number of likable qualities, mostly owing to the performances of some of the cast.

The funny think about HULK and INCREDIBLE HULK is that, while I liked the latter more, they really trade off qualities quite a bit. Both movies fucked up the origin, but '08 Hulk did it worse by having Banner willingly submit himself to experimentation, rather than being irradiated while trying to save someone else, thus removing some of the tragedy.

The Ang Lee version played off the more traditional comic origin, while The Incredible Hulk was pitched more towards the TV show/Ultimate's version. Both have their pluses and minuses.

Ross was a more relatable, and therefore more well-rounded and effective villain in the first movie.

I liked Sam Elliot's performance more (although i was pleasantly surprised by William Hurt), but I thought both versions of the character worked in context. They were different sides of the same coin, both of which have been reflected by the comic version at different times.

Banner is better in the second movie because they seized upon the simplicity of what makes that character work--the fact that he's a normal guy that's constantly put-upon and pushed around by the whole world--not his myriad mother/father issues and other boring psuedo-psychology.

I didn't see that in the second one, at least not in the sense you seem to be talking about. Yeah, he took some crap from the assholes in the factory, but that had more to do with the fact that he was trying to (A) stay low-profile, off Ross' radar, and (B) avoid the change. That was all the result of him already being the Hulk. Since we never saw him before the initial change, we have no idea if the whole put upon "milksop" thing was part off his personality before the change, which is the case in the comics and at the core of the character in the way you were talking about.

Hulk wasn't great in either movie, but actually think the first one got him more right as you really get the sense that Hulk is a stronger, stupider Banner, rather than an entirely seperate, monstrous entity. In the more recent movie, the Hulk may as well be the Cloverfield monster.

But over the course of his existence, the Hulk has been many different things, all of which worked in their own way. Either way, i didn't see much difference in personality between the two movie versions. They both seemed driven by anger towards the outside world and love for Betty.

[maniacthw]

Ghostrider. And that one Hulk movie that everyone hated.

[Toku King]

Bad as "Spider-Man 3" is, it's still not as bad as "Ghostrider!"

SM3 wasn't bad. It was just underwhelming after the previous two.

[kalorama]

It was bad.

[Toku King]

Because he willingly submitted. He knew there were risks, had time to consider them and took the plunge anyway, possibly because he thought the benefits to mankind were worth it. That's rather different from making a hasty decision to be a good samartian in a way that you end up paying for for the rest of your life.

And you don't feel bad for him, being screwed over by the army? I sure as hell did. He used his body in the name of science, only to be the lab rat in a sick government experiment.



Whether it was or not, it made him a more interesting villain.

Interesting is not the right word in my opinion, but this is where opinions differ.



I didn't explain myself well. In both movies, aside from liking Betty, Hulk is basically just a giant monster that bashes shit. I guess that's supposed to be fun, but there's really no reason to like or care about the Hulk. He's just a big dumb cypher for a testosterone tantrum. I don't think either movie really captured some of the humor or the child-like aspects of the Hulk that make him a character beyond being something big, dumb and CG.

Then you must have gone to the bathroom during the cliff sequence.

[Toku King]

It was bad.

It had its moments. However, it is the biggest example of producers screwing over the directors I have ever seen.

[Ontir]

SM3 wasn't bad. It was just underwhelming after the previous two.

It was a flaming tower of dung, with one or two acceptable moments. The 1st was THE good one. The first part of the second was decent, then it all went straight to hell. Anyone who lets Raimi have a chance to screw up another needs to have their head examined.

[kalorama]

It had its moments. However, it is the biggest example of producers screwing over the directors I have ever seen.

The producers may have pushed Raimi into including Venom in the film, but the lame, half-assed way he did it is on him. Plus, it's not like he did anything better with Harry or Sandman.

[Ontir]

Sandman is like THE shining moment of the film for me. He's faithful and he works.

Venom was just thrown away, and pathetically so.

I don't even know what movie James Franco was making. It sure as hell wasn't the same movie everyone else was making, and then when he ends up as the green sky-boarder?!?
Just bloody pathetic!

Not to mention that this film really shines upon the major, glaring error from the first: Kirsten Dunst SHOULD have been playing Gwen Stacey all along, so she could die in the 3rd film and then Bryce Dallas Howard (that's the right order, isn't it?) could come in as a radiant MJ Watson!

[Sean Whitmore]

The producers may have pushed Raimi into including Venom in the film, but the lame, half-assed way he did it is on him. Plus, it's not like he did anything better with Harry or Sandman.

I'll take it even further than that; I think everything that went wrong with the movie is on him.

The producers' one inclusion (that we know of) was adding Venom, and that was a good idea. It worked thematically much better than Sandman did or Vulture would've. Great in theory, terrible in execution.


SEAN

[Black Atom]

I think the black costume stuff and even the Eddie Brock stuff worked. If they could've had him become Venom by the end and saved him for a sequel, it'd have been much better off, though.

Of actual theatrically released Marvel movies, I've no doubt Blade: Trinity is the worst.

[kalorama]

My big issue with all of the SM films is that the villains aren't really all that villainous. Every one of them is set up as some kind of victim off circumstance in a way that somehow insulates them from culpability in the terrible things they do. Norman and Octavious are driven mad by experiements gone wrong, Sandman just wants to see his kid (*sniff*), Brock is just a selfish, petty weasel until the symbiote gets ahold of him and turns him into a monster. Harry comes closest to actual evil intent, but even he (A) is twisted by the Goblin formula and (B) comes around in the end. Over the course of three movies, would it have been so hard to come up with one villain who made a clear, conscious choice to be a vicious evil bad guy? Someone the audience could hate without sympathy and Peter could bash without feeling the need to try to redeem?

Is there any way for Universal to cut a deal with Fox (the holders of Daredevil's rights) to get the Kingpin back?

[lead sharp]

Spider-Man 3

Lets put it this way, you stick the Hoff in a tv movie and you know what you're getting into.

You present a movie made by a proven cast and crew that's as bad (and cost as much as) as SM3, you have no excuses.

[Ontir]

I think the black costume stuff and even the Eddie Brock stuff worked. If they could've had him become Venom by the end and saved him for a sequel, it'd have been much better off, though

That's the thing. Raimi hated and intentionally threw the Venom away, and he still did that better than the Green Goblin!

[Sean Whitmore]

That's the thing. Raimi hated and intentionally threw the Venom away, and he still did that better than the Green Goblin!

Except for the scene with Agatha Christie the manservant, I thought Harry's story was handled well.

But man, was that scene bad.


SEAN

[Ontir]

Franco was just off doing his own thing for the entire film though, and when they turned him into the heroic flying snow boarder, I thought, "This bastard (Raimi) just doesn't have a clue!"

[dewey412]

I would go with either Ghost Rider or Elektra.....Both great characters, both horrible movies.....

Daredevil would have been on my list, but I really liked Affleck in the film...

[Black Atom]

Except for the scene with Agatha Christie the manservant, I thought Harry's story was handled well.

But man, was that scene bad.


SEAN

Agreed. That (and maybe Venom landing, coincidentally, 6 ft away from the only guy on the planet with Spider-powers) is the most egregious point in the movie, to me.

[Pól Rua]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Amylopan/rebbrown18.jpg

No contest.

Seriously, this makes Daredevil and Fantastic Four look like The Godfather.

[Monty_Cristo]

Elektra was unwatchable. i tried...twice. and this is after i watched Catwoman straight through.

[Ontir]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Amylopan/rebbrown18.jpg

No contest.

Seriously, this makes Daredevil and Fantastic Four look like The Godfather.

The guy who played "Cap" went on to star in Howling II: YOUR Sister is a Werewolf!
I remember watching this when it first aired and thinking, "How could they screw the costume up?" It was just bad!

Looking at that picture now, I have to wonder if the actor was aware the world could see his penis?

[Abraxas]

It would have to be Elektra. A whole movie about a big foreheaded poor ninja with OCD? Directed by the guy that brought us X-Files: Fight The Future. What part of X-Files:FTF screams, "This man knows action."? This movie is seared in my brain.

[kalorama]

Agreed. That (and maybe Venom landing, coincidentally, 6 ft away from the only guy on the planet with Spider-powers) is the most egregious point in the movie, to me.

Not as egregious as the fact that a piece of space debris landed in a park in the middle of Manhattan and, apparently, no one other than the people standing 5 feet away noticed.

[Jared]

Agreed. That (and maybe Venom landing, coincidentally, 6 ft away from the only guy on the planet with Spider-powers) is the most egregious point in the movie, to me.

I'll see that and raise you Sandman being Uncle Ben's real killer.

[pitbull in a skirt]

Daredevil. Only good thing about it was Jennifer Gardner. Christopher Reeves Superman series are a close second.

Yeah they suck because they don't exist. Who the heck is Christopher Reeves?

Sorry, pet peeve.

[StoneGold]

Sandman is like THE shining moment of the film for me. He's faithful and he works.
Right, because Sandman was the one who really killed Uncle Ben in the comics. Also, Sandman has always been a sympathetic shmuck who just keeps having to commit crimes because he has a cute daughter, so Pete lets him go.


Sandman might have looked like Sandman, but everything else about him got screwed up hardcore.

[Sean Whitmore]

Also, Sandman has always been a sympathetic shmuck who just keeps having to commit crimes because he has a cute daughter, so Pete lets him go.

I'm trying to remember...did Peter even know Sandman had a sick daughter?

I think Peter just let him go because of his big, puppy-dog eyes.

If he'd known there was a cute little sick kid on top of that, he probably would've given Sandman $50 and then used his hand on him.

Given him the ol' sandjob, that is.


SEAN

[StoneGold]

I'm trying to remember...did Peter even know Sandman had a sick daughter?


I want to say he said he had a daughter at some point, but damned if I'm going to check.


Really, old-school cred might make you want to prefer Sandman over Venom, but Venom as Mirror Universe Peter was where the heart of the movie was. Sandman was just tacked on, and in the most horrible, horrifying way. You do not have Sandman kill Uncle Ben. You especially do not have him do it three movies in.

[Toku King]

Franco was just off doing his own thing for the entire film though, and when they turned him into the heroic flying snow boarder, I thought, "This bastard (Raimi) just doesn't have a clue!"

Once again, that was Arad.
Raimi's plan was similar, but made more sense. The movie was going to depict Harry as absolutely insane, but at the very end for one nanosec that Peter isn't as evil as he thought after he sees Peter saving somebody, and right before Sandman and the Vulture can kill Peter, Harry gets in the way and dies instead.

[Toku King]

I want to say he said he had a daughter at some point, but damned if I'm going to check.


Really, old-school cred might make you want to prefer Sandman over Venom, but Venom as Mirror Universe Peter was where the heart of the movie was. Sandman was just tacked on, and in the most horrible, horrifying way. You do not have Sandman kill Uncle Ben. You especially do not have him do it three movies in.

Actually, the movie was intended to have Sandman a center baddie, not Venom.
I don't even know what that flippin' retcon was about, but in Raimi's production notes it was Sandman who wanted revenge.

[Toku King]

I'm trying to remember...did Peter even know Sandman had a sick daughter?

I think Peter just let him go because of his big, puppy-dog eyes.

Sandman told Peter the story about his daughter.

[Black Atom]

Elektra was unwatchable. i tried...twice. and this is after i watched Catwoman straight through.

Then you must have super-powers. Elektra, at least, is a competently-made film, whereas Catwoman is 2-hour music video. The only that could make the latter better would be a preference for Berry's midriff over Garner's.

[Black Atom]

I'll see that and raise you Sandman being Uncle Ben's real killer.

That doesn't really bother me. It's an editorial change from what happened in the comics but I see why they did it in terms of the overall plot. The other two points just illustrate some of the crappy story-telling in SM3. Another would be Venom coincidentally running into Sandman, knowing all about his daughter and his beef with Spidey and hatching a plan to team up.

[Ontir]

Once again, that was Arad.
Raimi's plan was similar, but made more sense. The movie was going to depict Harry as absolutely insane, but at the very end for one nanosec that Peter isn't as evil as he thought after he sees Peter saving somebody, and right before Sandman and the Vulture can kill Peter, Harry gets in the way and dies instead.

I don't care what the plans were, or who got involved. A director is responsible for every actor's final performance in a film, and Raimi just blew every intention when it came to Franco. He was mis-directed from first to last. If the story changed or not is utterly irrelevant. Raimi is still responsible for molding Franco's performance to serve the arc of the film. He didn't do that, at all, ever.

Sandman being Ben's "real" killer was another kick to the nuts! Beyond that, he looked and acted like Sandman, and worked very well all through this train-wreck of a movie.

[Toku King]

He was mis-directed from first to last.

I hope you don't mean SM1 an SM2, because those two were two of the best superhero movies to date.
And it's not Raimi's fault if the producers say "Here is your plot and script, and you cannot change it. Good luck!"

[kalorama]

Then you must have super-powers. Elektra, at least, is a competently-made film, whereas Catwoman is 2-hour music video. The only that could make the latter better would be a preference for Berry's midriff over Garner's.

Elektra, while not quite good, wasn't completely awful. Catwoman was laughably atrocious without the laughs.

[Black Atom]

Elektra, while not quite good, wasn't completely awful. Catwoman was laughably atrocious without the laughs.

Agreed. Not sure why everyone hates Elektra. I even thought it was better than Daredevil.

[kalorama]

Not only was Elektra better than Daredevil, Elektra was the best thing in Daredevil.

[Toku King]

Not only was Elektra better than Daredevil, Elektra was the best thing in Daredevil.

I'd disagree with that.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Dunkenkingpin.png

[Toku King]

Agreed. Not sure why everyone hates Elektra. I even thought it was better than Daredevil.

"Elektra" was just poorly made, horribly acted, and filled with bogus action sequences.
"Daredevil" at least had one or two redeeming qualities. Other than Jennifer Garner in tight leather, "Elektra" had none.

[Black Atom]

"Elektra" was just poorly made, horribly acted, and filled with bogus action sequences.
"Daredevil" at least had one or two redeeming qualities. Other than Jennifer Garner in tight leather, "Elektra" had none.

Strangely, those are all complaints I'd level at Daredevil. Then I'd heap on a muddled and rushed narrative, stuffed with every single relevant Daredevil story from the comics.

Elektra, if nothing else, was a decent fight-your-way-to-the-big-boss style Kung Fu movie. Plus, Terrence Stamp! He was better than anything in DD.

[kalorama]

Daredevil was exhibit A in the case against the constant fanboy pleas for movies to remain scrupulously faithful to the comics.

[Mia]

Agreed. Not sure why everyone hates Elektra. I even thought it was better than Daredevil.

Neither do I. I sat down to watch it again a week ago and found that I still enjoyed it.

My worst movie based on a Marvel character are as follows:

1. The first Incredible Hulk ( I just stopped watching half way through)
2. Spider-man 2 (bored to tears)
3. Daredevil (I walked out on the movie version. Though I found the DC much better.)
4. The Punnisher (wanted to walk out on it)
5. X-Men The Last Stand (was that supposed to be an X-Men film or Wolverine film?)

[Michael P]

1. The first Incredible Hulk ( I just stopped watching half way through)
2. Spider-man 3 (bored to tears)
3. Daredevil (I walked out on the movie version. Though I found the DC much better.)
4. The Punisher (wanted to walk out on it)
5. X-Men The Last Stand (was that supposed to be an X-Men film or Wolverine film?)

Fixed it for you, and that's only if we restrict the list to the last ten years.

You don't know how good you had it this decade.

[Toku King]

Spider-man 2 (bored to tears)

No. Just no. Big omega no.

[Superbeast]

The worst I can think of are the 90s F4 movie, the 70s Dr Strange film, 80s Punisher, 80s Captain America, Elektra and Man Thing. Everything else, while bad, is at least tolerable. Even the 60s Spiderman movie is tolerable compared to the others.

X3 and Daredevil weren't good movies but they certainly got nowhere near as bad as the 80s Cap movie.

[Toonimator]

5. X-Men The Last Stand (was that supposed to be an X-Men film or Wolverine film?)
Presenting Exhibits A and B: The first two X-Men films. Both were Wolverine movies.

X2 just did a much better job handling all of Wolvie's Amazing Friends and giving most of them a decent amount of screen-time (except Cyke, who got consistently shafted in all 3 Wolvie-films)

Spider-Man 2 is still a lot of fun. It may drag in places, and MJ's runaway bride moment was pretty silly, but the action scenes were outstanding! Topped the first in every way.

SM3 had moments. I didn't mind the more sympathetic Sandman since in the comic he's mostly just a thug, and eventually was given SOME bit of development with his brief walks on the 'less villainy' side of things... he was a Reserve Avenger, just like Spidey! I didn't even mind the way they finally explained how he was the one that killed Ben, when they finally got around to explaining it!

Venom... ok, so I guess he was shoehorned in, but it's amazing that the natural setup of John Jameson from SM2 wasn't used to get the symbiote to Earth. Instead it falls in the park right next to Pete. Whoopee. With everything ELSE going on in the film, Venom was really rushed. It really should have been spread over a couple movies.

I haven't seen many of the 'worst' contenders, thankfully... so from my limited exposure, SM3 and X3 take the honors.

[whiteshark]

My big issue with all of the SM films is that the villains aren't really all that villainous. Every one of them is set up as some kind of victim off circumstance in a way that somehow insulates them from culpability in the terrible things they do. Norman and Octavious are driven mad by experiements gone wrong, Sandman just wants to see his kid (*sniff*), Brock is just a selfish, petty weasel until the symbiote gets ahold of him and turns him into a monster. Harry comes closest to actual evil intent, but even he (A) is twisted by the Goblin formula and (B) comes around in the end. Over the course of three movies, would it have been so hard to come up with one villain who made a clear, conscious choice to be a vicious evil bad guy? Someone the audience could hate without sympathy and Peter could bash without feeling the need to try to redeem?

Is there any way for Universal to cut a deal with Fox (the holders of Daredevil's rights) to get the Kingpin back?


I agree with you there Kingpin would be a good option for a next Spider Man movie,but since the kingpin has already been used,there schould be a way to get this character in the spider man movies since the kingpin actually first apeared in a Spider Man comic,but then this character went briefly to the Captain America and stayed a long time in Daredevil comics.
But i know what you mean the Spider Man needs a real villian and Kingpin is one of his best foes.

[Toku King]

Spider-Man 2 is still a lot of fun. It may drag in places, and MJ's runaway bride moment was pretty silly, but the action scenes were outstanding! Topped the first in every way.

I don't understand why everyone's ragging on SM2 now. It hasn't changed in quality, and is still one of the best superhero movies ever.

[Jared]

X-Men 1 isn't bad, but it doesn't hold up well at all with the other good superhero movies that have come out in the last decade. Hell, the action-front, it outright fails.

For all who trash Daredevil, it's time for the obligatory reminder that the Director's Cut is much better. It's still has flaws, yes, but there are major improvements to the story and the characters from start to finish.

[Toku King]

For all who trash Daredevil, it's time for the obligatory reminder that the Director's Cut is much better. It's still has flaws, yes, but there are major improvements to the story and the characters from start to finish.

The Director's Cut isn't very good either.

[kalorama]

For all who trash Daredevil, it's time for the obligatory reminder that the Director's Cut is much better. It's still has flaws, yes, but there are major improvements to the story and the characters from start to finish.

The Director's Cut is better than the theatrical release, but it's still not actually good. It's not like the director's cut actually excises or improves on any of the things that made the theatrical release so bad. It just adds in some extra stuff that kind of breaks up the awfulness of the rest of it.

[Legato]

I'd disagree with that.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Dunkenkingpin.png

I had my doubts at first but I have to admit Michael Clark Duncan was the best and only thing that came out of that movie.

[whiteshark]

The list of the "Worst Movie Based on a Marvel Character" so far.

1-Daredevil: 4 votes.

2-Electra: 3 votes.

3-Fantastic Four (1994): 3 votes

4-X-men 3 :2 votes.

5-Spider-Man 3: 2 votes.

6-Howard the Duck:2 votes.

7-Hulk (2003):2 votes.

8-Man-Thing: 1 vote

9-Fantastic Four 2 :1 vote

10-Ghost Rider:1.

11- Doctor Strange (1978):1 vote.

12-Punisher (1989):1 vote.

13-X-Men 3:1 vote

14-X-MEN 1 :1 Vote.

A reminder to who gave multiple choices.I can not count a multiple vote.
I am looking here for the Worst Movie Based on a Marvel Character.
So its only one vote per post,please.
Feel free to vote and coment in this matter.
:cool:

[Sean Whitmore]

The list of the "Worst Movie Based on a Marvel Character" so far.

1-Daredevil: 4 votes.

2-Electra: 3 votes.

3-Fantastic Four (1994): 3 votes

4-X-men 3 :2 votes.

5-Spider-Man 3: 2 votes.

6-Howard the Duck:2 votes.

7-Hulk (2003):2 votes.

8-Man-Thing: 1 vote

9-Fantastic Four 2 :1 vote

10-Ghost Rider:1.

11- Doctor Strange (1978):1 vote.

12-Punisher (1989):1 vote.

13-X-Men 3:1 vote

14-X-MEN 1 :1 Vote.

A reminder to who gave multiple choices.I can not count a multiple vote.
I am looking here for the Worst Movie Based on a Marvel Character.
So its only one vote per post,please.
Feel free to vote and coment in this matter.
:cool:

See, here's why this is silly thing to vote on:

The movie with the most number of votes is going to be something like Daredevil or Fantastic Four, because everyone's seen those.

Whereas, like, three people have seen the Sci Fi Channel's Man-Thing, because it was on the Sci Fi Channel. And while I'm not one of them, I'd be willing to make a pretty-good sized bet that it's of poorer quality than, say, Elektra.


SEAN

[whiteshark]

See, here's why this is silly thing to vote on:

The movie with the most number of votes is going to be something like Daredevil or Fantastic Four, because everyone's seen those.

Whereas, like, three people have seen the Sci Fi Channel's Man-Thing, because it was on the Sci Fi Channel. And while I'm not one of them, I'd be willing to make a pretty-good sized bet that it's of poorer quality than, say, Elektra.


SEAN

It is much worst than "Electra".
I explained why in a earlier post here,
And i didnt seen it in Sci Fi Channel's .
I actualy rented it.Thats how much a Marvel fan i am.:biggrin:

[Asmith]

See, here's why this is silly thing to vote on:

The movie with the most number of votes is going to be something like Daredevil or Fantastic Four, because everyone's seen those.

Whereas, like, three people have seen the Sci Fi Channel's Man-Thing, because it was on the Sci Fi Channel. And while I'm not one of them, I'd be willing to make a pretty-good sized bet that it's of poorer quality than, say, Elektra.


SEAN

Yep, I've seen both the Doctor Strange movie and the Daredevil movie... as kitch and wonderful the safari suit clad curly haired Doc Strange is, Daredevil is Citizen Kane when compared next to it! And had everyone had the opportunity to see both there would be no question.

However it's fun to discuss some of the screen horrors that we've subjected ourselves to.

And for your little thread pole, Man-Thing. Mostly because I just hate swamp creatures...

[Jared]

The Director's Cut is better than the theatrical release, but it's still not actually good. It's not like the director's cut actually excises or improves on any of the things that made the theatrical release so bad. It just adds in some extra stuff that kind of breaks up the awfulness of the rest of it.

Well it does clear up the theatrical's plot hole involving why Kingpin gets arrested at the end.
The extra fighting just is basically fluff, but it does make for a more satisfying movie. I got the DC for 8 or 9 bucks, I consider it well worth it.
Also, "I want a fucking costume" is much better.

I didn't realize there was actual voting. I cast mine for Elektra. It as 90 minutes that felt like 2 and a half hours. It was so boring that my friend fell asleep for 15 minutes of it and didn't even notice he'd missed anything. The movie is so lifeless it can't even be enjoyably bad.

[whiteshark]

Yep, I've seen both the Doctor Strange movie and the Daredevil movie... as kitch and wonderful the safari suit clad curly haired Doc Strange is, Daredevil is Citizen Kane when compared next to it! And had everyone had the opportunity to see both there would be no question.

However it's fun to discuss some of the screen horrors that we've subjected ourselves to.

And for your little thread pole, Man-Thing. Mostly because I just hate swamp creatures...

Thanks for the vote.
And going to check that "Doc Strange" movie.
Already saw the begining in You tube and have a eerie music in the begining.
Looks a bit like a horror movie in the start.
Going to see it anyways,but so far i still think that "Man-Thing" still have my vote for the Worst movie based on a Marvel character.
:cool:

[Code Ten]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Amylopan/rebbrown18.jpg

No contest.

Seriously, this makes Daredevil and Fantastic Four look like The Godfather.

Amen to that.:cool:

Have we all forgotten how far marvel movies have come? How limited the viewing options there were? I remember when all we had was daredevil in a body stocking or Thor hanging out at a biker bar to get some brews. Sure SM3 wasn't the best by any stretch of the imagination. But it sure was a hell of alot better than watching Rolf from The Sound of Music with a biga** webshooter outside his glove. And the only webslinging he did was to the building next door.

Is every marvel movie post-Blade a winner? Of course not. But I would put Daredevil, Electra, FF,etc. up against Captain America's motorcycle helmit anyday.

[The Zapper]

It's either X3 or Iron Man for me. If I had to pick one I guess I'll pick Iron Man.

[Jettison]

Daredevil....but I haven't seen Catwoman.....

Yeah, Daredevil was horrible.

[The Zapper]

Daredevil....but I haven't seen Catwoman.....

Yeah, Daredevil was horrible.

Catwoman isn't Marvel...but if it was, it would be my vote.

[Black Atom]

It's either X3 or Iron Man for me. If I had to pick one I guess I'll pick Iron Man.

I'll regret this, but how in Satan's name could your worse be a toss-up between X3 and Iron Man?

[The Zapper]

I'll regret this, but how in Satan's name could your worse be a toss-up between X3 and Iron Man?

The other nominees are Fantastic Four 2 which sucked, but made me laugh a couple times, and Daredevil which.....yeah, Daredevil really sucked. Maybe it should be a three way toss up.

[whiteshark]

Amen to that.:cool:

Have we all forgotten how far marvel movies have come? How limited the viewing options there were? I remember when all we had was daredevil in a body stocking or Thor hanging out at a biker bar to get some brews. Sure SM3 wasn't the best by any stretch of the imagination. But it sure was a hell of alot better than watching Rolf from The Sound of Music with a biga** webshooter outside his glove. And the only webslinging he did was to the building next door.

Is every marvel movie post-Blade a winner? Of course not. But I would put Daredevil, Electra, FF,etc. up against Captain America's motorcycle helmit anyday.


Whats the name of this movie?
And the year it was made?
:confused:

[Michael P]

Whats the name of this movie?
And the year it was made?
:confused:

He's actually referencing four separate projects. DD in the body stocking was in the "Trial of the Incredible Hulk" TV Movie. Thor the biker was in another Hulk TV movie, I forget which. The Spidey with the crappy web-shooters was in the '70s live-action TV series. And the Cap with the helmet was in a very, very bad feature film made sometime in the '90s, starring Reb Brown (aka "Brick Hardmeat" from the MST3K classic, Space Mutiny).

And all of those were still better than Captain America: The Musical.

[Jettison]

And the Cap with the helmet was in a very, very bad feature film made sometime in the '90s, starring Reb Brown (aka "Brick Hardmeat" from the MST3K classic, Space Mutiny).

Ive got that MST3K dvd.....he screams like a bitch!

[Michael P]

Ive got that MST3K dvd.....he screams like a bitch!

And then calmly exits the golf cart.

[whiteshark]

He's actually referencing four separate projects. DD in the body stocking was in the "Trial of the Incredible Hulk" TV Movie. Thor the biker was in another Hulk TV movie, I forget which. The Spidey with the crappy web-shooters was in the '70s live-action TV series. And the Cap with the helmet was in a very, very bad feature film made sometime in the '90s, starring Reb Brown (aka "Brick Hardmeat" from the MST3K classic, Space Mutiny).

And all of those were still better than Captain America: The Musical.

Knew about the Hulk and Spider-Man movies.And Spider-Man in those old movies is terible,alright.The web he launched over the bandids always looked like a Fishing Net to me.:confused:
Just never saw that strange Captain America movie.

[Asmith]

Just never saw that strange Captain America movie.

Y'know the scene at the end of Apocalypse Now where Brando is saying, "The horror... the horror..." It's a little known fact that he's actually talking about that old Captain America movie.

[whiteshark]

Y'know the scene at the end of Apocalypse Now where Brando is saying, "The horror... the horror..." It's a little known fact that he's actually talking about that old Captain America movie.


Looks bad alright.

[Code Ten]

Looks bad alright.Yeah, they all were bad.* Poor Cap sure has a crappy track record when it comes to his onscreen exploits. It started back in the '40s with an old republic serial. They changed Cap's name from Steve Rogers to Grant Gardner, who I assume sold his shield for beer money because Cap in this one is clearly out of shape and only carries a revolver and doesn't have a 'no killing policy.'

Then we get to the '70s with Reb Brown in 2 made-for-TV adaptations. Cap's costume is what you see above for the first one. For the second one they changed his costume to more resemble his comic duds though they still kept the rediculous helmet. Both films were out and out crap. The only redeeming quality is that the second one had Christopher Lee as the villian.

Then we get to the '90s adaptation. Here Cap is played by J.D. Salingers son. The costume is alot closer to the comic only the ears on the cowl are fake and look it. Red Skull is now italian and also a super soldier. And in this movie's universe Canada is quite small and has only one road (which I assume because everyone finds each other quite easily). And apparently, Cap's ex-girlfriend is a cougar because when he thaws out in the modern day the age make-up they put on the actress makes her look 90 and the guy playing her husband looks 60!!!:eek:

[Jettison]

I'd say that '90s Cap movie would make a great MST3K episode....also, what about that FF movie that never got released back the '90s as well....anyone seen clips from that on youtube? lol

[StoneGold]

And the Cap with the helmet was in a very, very bad feature film made sometime in the '90s, starring Reb Brown (aka "Brick Hardmeat" from the MST3K classic, Space Mutiny).

And all of those were still better than Captain America: The Musical.

Turn in your nerd card. Reb Brown made his movies in the 70s. The 90s film was with JD Salinger's son. And the Cap musical was a Broadway play that was never produced.

[Jared]

Yeah, they all were bad.* Poor Cap sure has a crappy track record when it comes to his onscreen exploits. It started back in the '40s with an old republic serial. They changed Cap's name from Steve Rogers to Grant Gardner, who I assume sold his shield for beer money because Cap in this one is clearly out of shape and only carries a revolver and doesn't have a 'no killing policy.'

Then we get to the '70s with Reb Brown in 2 made-for-TV adaptations. Cap's costume is what you see above for the first one. For the second one they changed his costume to more resemble his comic duds though they still kept the rediculous helmet. Both films were out and out crap. The only redeeming quality is that the second one had Christopher Lee as the villian.

Then we get to the '90s adaptation. Here Cap is played by J.D. Salingers son. The costume is alot closer to the comic only the ears on the cowl are fake and look it. Red Skull is now italian and also a super soldier. And in this movie's universe Canada is quite small and has only one road (which I assume because everyone finds each other quite easily). And apparently, Cap's ex-girlfriend is a cougar because when he thaws out in the modern day the age make-up they put on the actress makes her look 90 and the guy playing her husband looks 60!!!:eek:

You forgot the best part: Captain America pretends to be sick so that when his driver pulls over, he can steal the car...twice.

[Code Ten]

You forgot the best part: Captain America pretends to be sick so that when his driver pulls over, he can steal the car...twice.
Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! I forgot that part.:biggrin:

[Asmith]

Turn in your nerd card. Reb Brown made his movies in the 70s. The 90s film was with JD Salinger's son. And the Cap musical was a Broadway play that was never produced.

Heh. I was going to pick him up on the Cap musical but thought it'd say too many negative things about me to know that info...

Still remember seeing the ad they ran in the comics calling for submissions from pre-teen girls to audition for the all-singing, all-dancing Captain America Broadway show. I sat there looking at the drawing of the dancing Cap and just kept wondering why? why would any one want this??

...and on some level I was still jealous that I was excluded from applying because I was on the other side of the planet, and not, y'know... not a pre-teen girl...

[Knightmare10880]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/Amylopan/rebbrown18.jpg

No contest.

Seriously, this makes Daredevil and Fantastic Four look like The Godfather.

That movie and it's sequal aure such a guilty pleasures, I'd love to see either the Riffax/Film Crew guys(Mike Nelson and company) or the gang over at Cinematic Titanic(Joel and company) take a shot at both Rob Brown Captain America movies, as well as the Spider-Man pilot from the 70's and the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie.

[whiteshark]

Turn in your nerd card. Reb Brown made his movies in the 70s. The 90s film was with JD Salinger's son. And the Cap musical was a Broadway play that was never produced.

Whats the sense doing a "Captain America Musical" ???
I never liked musicals anyways but this would just bring Shame to the Captain America.(Just like the "fishing nets" brought shame to Spider-Man after the television series and the first movies.:biggrin: )
He is a fighter.There is no way a story can be made about Captain America Singing through the story.:confused:

[Agent Helix]

I'm not counting the cheapies, like the old Cap movies, or that Nick Fury movie, or the Corman FF, so I'd say Daredevil. It's so humorless and dull and generic that I just can't see anything whatsoever in it to like or enjoy. I actually have a soft spot for the recent FF movies, because they tried to be goofy and lighthearted and family oriented in an increasingly dour and grim market. They generally failed to be particularly good, but I just can't dislike them or call them bad in the same way that a pile of sheer white noise and pablum like Daredevil is.

[Black Atom]

The other nominees are Fantastic Four 2 which sucked, but made me laugh a couple times, and Daredevil which.....yeah, Daredevil really sucked. Maybe it should be a three way toss up.

Not sure that answers the question. What makes Iron Man as bad as Daredevil or FF2?

[Jettison]

And then calmly exits the golf cart.

Definitely ranks as one of cinema's all time top golf cart chase scenes.

[Paradox]

None of you know from suck. :evilsmile:

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The list of the "Worst Movie Based on a Marvel Character" so far.

1-Daredevil: 6 votes.

2-Electra: 4 votes.

3-Fantastic Four (1994): 3 votes.

4-Captain America (70s): 2 votes.

4-X-men 3 :2 votes.

5-Spider-Man 3: 2 votes.

6-Howard the Duck:2 votes.

7-Hulk (2003):2 votes.

8-Man-Thing: 2 votes.

9-Fantastic Four 2 :1 vote

10-Ghost Rider:1.

11- Doctor Strange (1978):1 vote.

12-Punisher (1989):1 vote.

13-X-Men 3:1 vote

14-X-MEN 1 :1 Vote.

15- Iron Man :1 vote.

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