Genocide's Motivation

[4PointOh]

Swiped from another message board.

So, what do you think Genocide's motivation is? I mean, it's clear that it was at least partially created from the soil from sites of heinous acts of genocide and that it is, therefore, in its blood to commit equally heinous acts of murder and mayhem. But one question remains unanswered:

Why did it allow Wonder Woman to live?

My guess? It is committing these acts in the name of destroying all that Diana stands for and it wants Diana to bear witness to the systematic destruction of her principles and reason for being.

Your thoughts?

[LewisH]

and Genocide definitely is, then you don't just kill your enemies. You destroy their hope, you show them they cannot stop you and you let them live on as you kill the innocents they try to protect. You let them live on as you eliminate their friends, family and loved ones. You let them live on with no hope until they beg you for the merciful release of death and then you say NO.

Go read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. Genocide has a lot in common with the super computer in that story.

This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken. (Donaldson - The Wounded Land)

[4PointOh]

and Genocide definitely is, then you don't just kill your enemies. You destroy their hope, you show them they cannot stop you and you let them live on as you kill the innocents they try to protect. You let them live on as you eliminate their friends, family and loved ones. You let them live on with no hope until they beg you for the merciful release of death and then you say NO.

Go read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. Genocide has a lot in common with the super computer in that story.

This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken. (Donaldson - The Wounded Land)

Whoa. That was DEEP. :eek:

[Matt Doc Martin]

and Genocide definitely is, then you don't just kill your enemies. You destroy their hope, you show them they cannot stop you and you let them live on as you kill the innocents they try to protect. You let them live on as you eliminate their friends, family and loved ones. You let them live on with no hope until they beg you for the merciful release of death and then you say NO.

Go read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. Genocide has a lot in common with the super computer in that story.

This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken. (Donaldson - The Wounded Land)

I like this far more than I should.

[Bombshell]

So you devastate them.

....

Is there any relation between Genocide and Devastation?

Or could it be that they're one and the same?

Because Devastation had a somewhat...similar...birthing process.

[bfrank]

Why did it allow Wonder Woman to live?



Because Athena doesn't want to kill Diana, just knock her around a bit......

[Spiffy]

Genocide's motive is that she like genocide! It's fun, fun, fun for her!

[OzBat!]

I admit to a little confusion here, from my own preconceptions no doubt. It's just that, the soil from the sites of genocides? That soil wouldn't be stained with the blood of the genocidal, but from the genocidees. The ones who died there are the ones who leaked into the soil, died, there, imprinted there. Wouldn't it be crying out for vengeance instead?

I guess. I just dunno. I'm waiting to see how it all pans out first.

[Wonder Watcher]

I admit to a little confusion here, from my own preconceptions no doubt. It's just that, the soil from the sites of genocides? That soil wouldn't be stained with the blood of the genocidal, but from the genocidees. The ones who died there are the ones who leaked into the soil, died, there, imprinted there. Wouldn't it be crying out for vengeance instead?

I guess. I just dunno. I'm waiting to see how it all pans out first.That's something that's been on my mind a little too, I think the view is that the sites where the Genocides took place became tainted by the evil done there, that's what's been harvested rather than the spilt blood of the innocent. But there is still the possibility of a twist in the story.

I agree that Genocide left Diana alive to amplify her shame. A quick death would be too easy, now Diana can suffer while Genocide continues it's work, dismantling everything she has done. Genocide would probably even invite another attack from Diana, just so she can be dismissed again and suffer another public humiliation. I would say that only when all is finished will Genocide come back for Diana. But even then, Genocide might prefer to leave her permanently broken rather than kill her. Nice.

There do appear to be a couple of broad parallels between Genocide and Devastation. Both Gods, both more powerful than Diana, both with origins involving soil / earth, both attack the mind as well as the body ( and both causing the shame of failure). And both handed out a sound beating to Diana on their first encounter. Perhaps answering the question 'what can beat Wonder Woman ?' will tend to produce similarly powerful entities.

[West Mantooth]

Didn't feel like starting a new thread.

I've been wondering about who the heck Genocide is supposed to be now that we're three issues into the story. The talk of No Home and the missing eyes made me think that it's D'Garth( maybe Grendel to a lesser extent). The "genocide" connection may come from the soil of the Amazon's attack on Washington D.C. The place that Wonder Woman killed D'Garth. The last part is the fact that the doctor(forget his name) talks about the inspiration for the creature coming from Satan possibly.

I don't know if D'Garth was a god or not. Maybe it's just apart of the creature and doesn't remember who it was.

[Lester C.]

and Genocide definitely is, then you don't just kill your enemies. You destroy their hope, you show them they cannot stop you and you let them live on as you kill the innocents they try to protect. You let them live on as you eliminate their friends, family and loved ones. You let them live on with no hope until they beg you for the merciful release of death and then you say NO.

Go read "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. Genocide has a lot in common with the super computer in that story.

This you have to understand. There's only one way to hurt a man who's lost everything. Give him back something broken. (Donaldson - The Wounded Land)

The above quote just might be the sexiest statement ever written by any poster in history.:redface:

[Arrogantcur]

and Genocide definitely is [truly evil], then you don't just kill your enemies. You destroy their hope, you show them they cannot stop you and you let them live on as you kill the innocents they try to protect. You let them live on as you eliminate their friends, family and loved ones. You let them live on with no hope until they beg you for the merciful release of death and then you say NO.

This is a mistake that a lot of villains make.

The first time Doc Ock and Spidey fought, Spidey got his ass handed to him and Ock had the chance to kill him. But he just dismissed Spider-Man as no threat to him and tossed him aside. Octavius would later regret not killing Spider-Man when he had the chance, of course.

There's also Daredevil. When the Kingpin learned his identity, he wanted to make Murdock suffer before killing him. When he finally did try to kill Murdock, he left too much to chance and it didn't work.

What about Bane? Why was "breaking the bat" good enough for him? Why didn't he break Wayne's neck instead of only his back?

Heroes leave villains alive all the time, and the villains naturally come back to plague them repeatedly. But heroes have an excuse: there are some ethical lines they refuse to cross (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing). Villains, though, have no good reason for holding back. A practical baddie would think "What's the best idea here? Should I leave this guy alive to torment him, which would be fun but which would also carry the risk of him recovering from the beatdown I just gave him and coming after me again? Or should I finish him off right now and remove him as a potential threat?"

[4PointOh]

This is a mistake that a lot of villains make.

The first time Doc Ock and Spidey fought, Spidey got his ass handed to him and Ock had the chance to kill him. But he just dismissed Spider-Man as no threat to him and tossed him aside. Octavius would later regret not killing Spider-Man when he had the chance, of course.

There's also Daredevil. When the Kingpin learned his identity, he wanted to make Murdock suffer before killing him. When he finally did try to kill Murdock, he left too much to chance and it didn't work.

What about Bane? Why was "breaking the bat" good enough for him? Why didn't he break Wayne's neck instead of only his back?

Heroes leave villains alive all the time, and the villains naturally come back to plague them repeatedly. But heroes have an excuse: there are some ethical lines they refuse to cross (which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing). Villains, though, have no good reason for holding back. A practical baddie would think "What's the best idea here? Should I leave this guy alive to torment him, which would be fun but which would also carry the risk of him recovering from the beatdown I just gave him and coming after me again? Or should I finish him off right now and remove him as a potential threat?"

And some of them think just like you. I suppose that's why Libra and company killed The Martian Manhunter.

[Arrogantcur]

And some of them think just like you. I suppose that's why Libra and company killed The Martian Manhunter.

Well yeah, I'm not saying that it never happens. Just that you'd think it would happen more often than it does, and that it's the smart thing to do.

(And having gotten to know him from the Justice League cartoon, I'm kind of sad that J'onn is gone. :frown: )

[Flying Saucers Over Oz]

Ah, she's just PMSing really bad...

(And yes, I am deeply ashamed of myself for typing that...)

[The Ray]

I think we all know what Genocide is really after (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=258539)