The Kuberts & DC

[scott lantern]

Does anyone think DC is disappointed with the Kuberts?

Andy has done 7 issues of Batman, with 2 more to come in February, plus a handful of covers

Adam did 5 issues of Action, Last Will & Testament and has the Batman and the Outisders Special out in January, plus a handful of covers

These guys signed on like 3 years ago, and neither of them have produced even 10 comics yet!

At Marvel, they were belted them out monthly for years! What happened to these guys, when did they become so slow and/or reluctant to work?

Just something I've had on my mind for awhile...

[Jack-In-The-Box]

What about Tor?

Wrong Kubert?

[Bored at 3:00AM]

At Marvel, they were belted them out monthly for years! What happened to these guys, when did they become so slow and/or reluctant to work?

Just something I've had on my mind for awhile...

Some serious health problems cropped up that derailed the Kuberts' stint at DC.

[Sean Walsh]

Some serious health problems cropped up that derailed the Kuberts' stint at DC.

Adam was sick for a while, and apparently doesn't want to talk about it.

Plus IIRC their mom died a year or so ago.

[scott lantern]

I guess sickness and death would explain things

it's too bad really. I was looking forward to these guys running wild in the DCU

[4thHorseman]

I personally don't find that a really good reason. I know sickness and death can take a lot out of you, but it doesn't stop someone from going to work and getting their job done. Not to mention they were still doing a hell of a lot of covers during that time.

[Herr Mike]

I find it funny that Joe produced more than both of them put together.

[Superbeast]

I personally don't find that a really good reason. I know sickness and death can take a lot out of you, but it doesn't stop someone from going to work and getting their job done. Not to mention they were still doing a hell of a lot of covers during that time.

Covers take 1-2 days, whole issues take weeks. Depending on what Adam's condition actually was, I can think of several illnesses that would make it impossible to focus on working consistently, from cancer to migraines to chronic fatigue syndrome.

As for not finding the death of their mother as an acceptable reason for them not to work on drawing comics, you're a pretty cold dude. Handling funeral preparations and costs as well as organising the deceased's estate are not something that can be done overnight, especially when you're grieving for the loss of your parent at the same time.

[Herr Mike]

I would think drawing would be a good way to get over grief, but I'm not about to say that the Kuberts should have handled things differently.

As for illness, well, Andy must have been stuck making all the chicken soup.

[4thHorseman]

As for not finding the death of their mother as an acceptable reason for them not to work on drawing comics, you're a pretty cold dude. Handling funeral preparations and costs as well as organising the deceased's estate are not something that can be done overnight, especially when you're grieving for the loss of your parent at the same time.

It may be cold, but it's how the world works. It doesn't stop moving, and just because a death occurs, it doesn't give one a reason to stop doing their job. It takes a while, but it's also not a 24/7 duty.

[Superbeast]

It may be cold, but it's how the world works. It doesn't stop moving, and just because a death occurs, it doesn't give one a reason to stop doing their job. It takes a while, but it's also not a 24/7 duty.

Wow. You are either very professional and work oriented or haven't had to deal with a death in your own family. Either way, I can understand why they'd slack off personally, they surely have some money put away at this point and put health and family first for a while.

[4thHorseman]

Wow. You are either very professional and work oriented or haven't had to deal with a death in your own family. Either way, I can understand why they'd slack off personally, they surely have some money put away at this point and put health and family first for a while.

Very work oriented, but have had to deal with 2 deaths in the past 6 years. It sucks and it does create a lot of problems, but it's not a full time duty that everyone makes it out to be. It does take time, but it's not like that's the only thing you can do every day for weeks on end.

[Mat001]

Some people go back to work right away, others, not so much. We're human beings. We each deal with grief in our own way. That's why when Jeph Loeb's son passed away, he didn't write much for months, because it was difficult for him to summon up the will to write. Andy and Adam had a personal loss which affected their work and was understandable. Adam also had an illness which prevented him from getting much work done. Michael Turner didn't work much either when he was ill the first time and barely much the second time, before his health worsened and he passed on. When Mark Millar was battling Crohn's, he couldn't get his work done on time either.

[Karl O'Neill]

I don't mind waiting, their art is actually worth the wait IMHO.

looking forward to batman and the outsiders special and andy kuberts work with neil gaiman:)

should be great.

[drinkblatzbeer]

maybe i'm just so used to their stuff on x-men and wolverine as a kid, that i just don't really like them doing anyone else...

adam's hulk run was pretty good and the thor stuff from andy ok also, but for some reason i can't into their post-marvel stuff...

[Lupek]

I didn't know about the reasons for the delays until I read this thread. I remember thinking that Adams style had changed a little bit in the Action Comics Annual that finished up the Last Son story arc. Maybe his health had something to do with it.

My best wishes for health and happiness go to the Kuberts. And I hope to see more from them in the future. That is one talented family.

[Sean Walsh]

Does Adam ink his own work now?

I know John Dell used to be his regular inker at Marvel, but his art looks a lot different - much more detailed in the inks - now. That might explain why it takes him so long.

[Augusto]

As for not finding the death of their mother as an acceptable reason for them not to work on drawing comics, you're a pretty cold dude. Handling funeral preparations and costs as well as organising the deceased's estate are not something that can be done overnight, especially when you're grieving for the loss of your parent at the same time.

You're right. I know that feeling just six months ago with my father's death :frown:

[Mundungus]

You're right. I know that feeling just six months ago with my father's death :frown:

My Mom died in April. Its tough, especially because from a message board point-of-view we have NO IDEA what their relationship was actually like. All we really know about creators are their name, work, and sometimes a funny quib about their lives. Most never share anything about themselves and as fans, we're usually very focused on the work they produce, not their personal life.

So I agree with whoever said that as human beings we all deal with grief in certain ways. God knows its taken me a helluva time to get back on my feet. While I didn't take any time off of school or work (except for summer vacation), my performance still feels shaky and I kind of wish I had. Wanting to take time off of work to grieve for your dead loved one is completely acceptable and from what I've seen, their work has never been better.

[josh straightedge]

They were hot shit like 10 years ago but who cares about them anymore? It was such big news they were coming to DC and then...nothing.

[Mat001]

Not, nothing. Andy's had several issues of Batman and did some covers for "Countdown To Final Crisis" and "Trinity". He's got "Whatever Happened To The Caped Crusader" with Neil Gaiman coming up. Adam's been doing Action Comics, "Last Will & Testament" and has another project that he's working on right now, I believe. And obviously there are people who care, as evidence by this thread, for example.

[Ontir]

I remembering Miracleman being derailed because the artist had influenza for a few years. Depending upon what the illness is, it's definitely a good excuse. As for the loss of a parent, it can really screw a person up. It's just over 2 years since my Dad died, and when it hits, it's like it happened seconds ago.

[rerun]

I don't know.

Illness is one thing- you're sick you can't do anything.

But a death in the family a year ago is pretty weak. If my parents died, I'd be back in work probably a week (maybe two) later. It's what we have to do to pay our mortgage. Just because you have the money to hold out means its an ethic thing. I mean what is he doing all day? I'm thinking World of Warcraft is probably the best way to grieve.

[Mundungus]

I don't know.

Illness is one thing- you're sick you can't do anything.

But a death in the family a year ago is pretty weak. If my parents died, I'd be back in work probably a week (maybe two) later. It's what we have to do to pay our mortgage. Just because you have the money to hold out means its an ethic thing. I mean what is he doing all day? I'm thinking World of Warcraft is probably the best way to grieve.

Like I said earlier, depends on the relationship between the two. Seeing as how we have no access to their personal lives, any number of things could have come up. Someone also mentioned dealing with her estate, etc. Some people can't afford to go back to work, but if you have the means to take a break, then I'd say do it. And its not like they haven't been producing things over the last year. Not on a monthly basis, but they've pitched in where they can.

[bebopeva88]

They also were teaching at the Kubert School of Illustration, and I'm not positive if they still are or not, but there were circa when DC hired them.

Also, people tend to ignore the fact that neither were monthly guys in the latter part of their Marvel careers, and then DC stupidly put them on monthly books (which they were also wrong to accept, knowing their speed).

[Suzanne]

I enjoy the Kuberts' output as much as anyone, so it is disappointing. However, no one here is in a position to judge how they should've handled their work during their family crises.