New Black Panther unmasked - but who is she?

[Hrungr]

Just found this over at Marvel (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6399.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Black_Panther_ %231).

http://namea.net/Images/Black_Panther.jpg

I don't recognize her offhand, any thoughts?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Just found this over at Marvel (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.6399.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_Black_Panther_ %231).

http://namea.net/Images/Black_Panther.jpg

I don't recognize her offhand, any thoughts?

Man, hope this doesn't get outta hand.

That's Echo and is most likely just an injoke with the Marvel staff.

[Hrungr]

Ah wait, the white hand confused me for a moment. It's Echo.

[Hrungr]

Man, hope this doesn't get outta hand.

That's Echo and is most likely just an injoke with the Marvel staff.
Why do you think it's a joke? And if it is, it's worked in pretty seemlessly.

[CMBMOOL]

Plus Echo is a bit of a slient person to chose to be the replacement Panther as she is someone whom does her work in quiet.

However, the question is, if the picture is right, how did she get to Wakanda in the first place ? :frown:

[Optic Power]

so the new black panther is a white american woman???

Very.....unexpected

[MichaelChen]

I think she's supposed to be Hispanic or Native American, actually. That picture makes her look white, though. Or maybe it's just not intended to be her at all.

[Webslinger86]

so the new black panther is a white american woman???

Very.....unexpected

Actually, Echo is Hispanic Native American. ^^;;

[bingbangboom]

Yeah, at first I thought they screwed up. But then again... it is possible it is just a swerve. The head looks sort of off a little, so it is possible it maybe someone else.

[Optic Power]

Actually, Echo is Hispanic Native American. ^^;;

oh ok

Still weird, yet does make me want to pick it up to find out what excatly is going on.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Why do you think it's a joke? And if it is, it's worked in pretty seemlessly.

Because Echo was Ronin, a 'mysterious' character in New Avengers. This is a play on that 'mystery'.

[CyberHubbs]

It probably is Echo and not a joke.

The interview points out another villain beside Doom in Wakanda. I'll guess that it's Kingpin, since he and Echo have history.

[Expletive Deleted]

I'm leaning towards injoke, too.

But who knows?

[Umbra]

it's a joke.

[JdRavnos]

The pic seems photoshopped to me, plus considering how Marvel still (to my knowledge) hasn't revealed who Red Hulk is, it seems unlikely they'd reveal it this early. Throw in the fact that Echo was revealed to be the super secret Ronin in New Avengers, I'm fairly positive it's a joke.

[bebopeva88]

The head seems a bit too large and looks like it's by Billy Tan, but it could be real.

The properties of the pic aren't from Marvel, and it's not at the link anymore, but here is the pic with Marvel's properties attributed to it: http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/6399new_storyimage9358572_full.jpg

[protege]

I tried to post this a while ago, but I got booted off the web for some reason, but I was going to say- what makes you think it's Echo, and if it is, why would she choose this particular identity? Does she even KNOW T'challa?

[CyberHubbs]

It got taken down and replaced with another preview art.

[bebopeva88]

I tried to post this a while ago, but I got booted off the web for some reason, but I was going to say- what makes you think it's Echo, and if it is, why would she choose this particular identity? Does she even KNOW T'challa?

The white handprint on the face is a dead giveaway.

[Hrungr]

It got taken down and replaced with another preview art.
Interesting, they have removed it. This would actually lend weight to it being Echo (as odd a fit as it may be).

[Spiffy]

If this isn't a fake, and it is indeed Echo, then well...

She's DEFINITELY stopped taping down her breasts. She used to stap 'em down and pass for a dude, remember?

[Frank]

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!

Not her again! Not Echo. She's like the bad gimmick version of the energizer bunny.

And the next Captain America is....Echo!

All the mystery Dark Avengers are Echo clones too.

It's like Hudlin is trying to sink Black Panther on purpose.

[SquidSquod]

Hudlin & relatively white character = doesn't compute.

[Ex_]

Hudlin & relatively white character = doesn't compute.

Yeesh! Although you're right..

[Jimmy Holograph]

They have runninng ads in a few of this weeks releases with that image, and the heading:

IS ECHO THE NEW BLACK PANTHER?

Personally I think its a joke or misdirection. Presumably we might even see more with Storm's head, Mary Jane, Jean Grey, Gwen Stacy ect.

[Crowforge]

Is white the new black?

[James Conniff]

Just something to get people talking.

But I have to say it is a good piece of disscussion. Echo is a very talented hand to hand fighter and could Mimic T'Challa's fighting style and help Storm out by being her strong right hand.

[timbox]

I hope it is Echo. That would be amazing.

[Umbra]

Just something to get people talking.

But I have to say it is a good piece of disscussion. Echo is a very talented hand to hand fighter and could Mimic T'Challa's fighting style and help Storm out by being her strong right hand.

Storm doesn't need Echo to be her right hand. She would have QDJ or Okoye for that... and Storm would/could whip Echo a$$ if she wanted to.

Echo being the BP makes zero sense, not matter how you try to spin it.

[Samuraixsithlord]

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!

Not her again! Not Echo. She's like the bad gimmick version of the energizer bunny.

And the next Captain America is....Echo!

All the mystery Dark Avengers are Echo clones too.

It's like Hudlin is trying to sink Black Panther on purpose.

Didn't you hear. Mutant Zero is Echo as well.

If Wolverine can be all over the place, so can Echo

[The Cool Thatguy]

Storm doesn't need Echo to be her right hand. She would have QDJ or Okoye for that... and Storm would/could whip Echo a$$ if she wanted to.

Echo being the BP makes zero sense, not matter how you try to spin it.

Very true. But let them keep at it. It keeps the anti-logic away from the rest of us sane people ;)

[Gundisalvus]

I think Echo would be a great Black Panther! She's as skilled (maybe even more) than T'Challa!

[B. Kuwanger]

They have runninng ads in a few of this weeks releases with that image, and the heading:

IS ECHO THE NEW BLACK PANTHER?

Personally I think its a joke or misdirection. Presumably we might even see more with Storm's head, Mary Jane, Jean Grey, Gwen Stacy ect.

Yes, I'm sure. But I wouldn't say this picture looks fake or photoshopped.

[mosdef]

It looks photoshopped. I think Marvel is trying to through us a curveball. These are the same guys that had all that advertisement about "embrace change" with pictures of Skrulls and humans together and that didn't happen after SI. I still think the new Black Panther is Storm.

[TotalWorldDomination]

Is white the new black?

Wasn't that an Obama campagin slogan?:biggrin:

[Whitster]

It's like Hudlin is trying to sink Black Panther on purpose.

Well if Aaron McGruders to be believed, his trying to ruin all black people.

[Assemble]

errrr... weird....

[gorthon616]

It's not funny... so I could see it as being Marvel's version of joke.

Of course... it doesn't make sense... so it could be Marvel's version of a story.

[Ben Morse]

It's not funny... so I could see it as being Marvel's version of joke.

Of course... it doesn't make sense... so it could be Marvel's version of a story.

SICK BURN!

[CyberHubbs]

To be fair, Echo would beat Storm in a hand to hand fight. Certainly not if Ororo used her powers, but a physical fight would lean in Echo's favor. That's the whole point of her abilities.

Since I liked Echo in her DD appearances, I'll withhold judgment until the book or more information comes out.

[CMBMOOL]

Looks Like Marvel is playing the guessing game again...:frown:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6428.Is_She_The_New_Black_Panther%3F

[Expletive Deleted]

Looks Like Marvel is playing the guessing game again...:frown:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.6428.Is_She_The_New_Black_Panther%3F
Why the sad face?

[Cruelly_Innocent]

NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!

Not her again! Not Echo. She's like the bad gimmick version of the energizer bunny.

And the next Captain America is....Echo!

All the mystery Dark Avengers are Echo clones too.

It's like Hudlin is trying to sink Black Panther on purpose.

HEY! I like Echo..A lot...she and Spider Woman were the for reading New Avengers in the first place :wink:

AND she was the first lady to kill a Skrull...a dangerous one... (who killed her first I know..I know)

[CMBMOOL]

Why the sad face?
I'm not a big fan of the guessing games in comics these days, ever since the recent Annual in Amazing Spider-man revealing the Jackpot's ID. :mad:

[CMBMOOL]

sorry, double posting.

[Umbra]

I think Echo would be a great Black Panther! She's as skilled (maybe even more) than T'Challa!

yeah, right.

[Umbra]

To be fair, Echo would beat Storm in a hand to hand fight. Certainly not if Ororo used her powers, but a physical fight would lean in Echo's favor. That's the whole point of her abilities.

Since I liked Echo in her DD appearances, I'll withhold judgment until the book or more information comes out.

It might lean, but not by that much...T'challa would destroy Echo.

[babybro]

HAHA, I was just talking in the dc forums like what if they made black panther a white person, that would be so intriguing for my perspective. And BLAM!, this photo comes out. LOL, well if it's a joke it's all cool, but if it's real, I just became hella intrigued with the new book just to see how in the world could/would they pull this off lol. But my interest level definitely raised after seeing the picture.

[pharoahe22]

It might lean, but not by that much...T'challa would destroy Echo.

Not necessarily true my friend. By now, she's had to at least picked up a couple moves from Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist and some others. She'd even pick up on some of BP's moves after they started fighting. That's what's so dangerous about Echo and Taskmaster.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Not necessarily true my friend. By now, she's had to at least picked up a couple moves from Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist and some others. She'd even pick up on some of BP's moves after they started fighting. That's what's so dangerous about Echo and Taskmaster.

Except that T'Challa runs at peak physical performance. He's got his own version of super serum. Physically, he'd dominate her.

And besides, it doesn't matter what she knows, it's how she uses it. Just because she knows a bunch of fighting styles doesn't mean she's an expert on when to apply them. And she sure isn't smarter than T'Challa.

[CyberHubbs]

Not necessarily true my friend. By now, she's had to at least picked up a couple moves from Daredevil, Elektra, Iron Fist and some others. She'd even pick up on some of BP's moves after they started fighting. That's what's so dangerous about Echo and Taskmaster.

What would give BP an edge against Echo is terrain, and/or previous knowledge of her abilities.

If Echo and BP fought, no prep-time involved, Echo could win. It can be written to go either way, of course.

[pharoahe22]

Except that T'Challa runs at peak physical performance. He's got his own version of super serum. Physically, he'd dominate her.

And besides, it doesn't matter what she knows, it's how she uses it. Just because she knows a bunch of fighting styles doesn't mean she's an expert on when to apply them. And she sure isn't smarter than T'Challa.

I like T'challa way better. I'm just saying that she does has the ability to defeat him. Echo is a trained fighter...it's not just that she can mimic moves. She would be able to adapt different techniques into her own. That said, T'challa is way smarter. I think that's his big advantage. He's smarter, and probably tougher, but I could see scenarios where she could win. It's not a curbstomp.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I like T'challa way better. I'm just saying that she does has the ability to defeat him. Echo is a trained fighter...it's not just that she can mimic moves. She would be able to adapt different techniques into her own. That said, T'challa is way smarter. I think that's his big advantage. He's smarter, and probably tougher, but I could see scenarios where she could win. It's not a curbstomp.

He's smarter, stronger and more experienced. I really don't think she has a chance. Her knowledge of styles is the only area in which Echo is superior to T'Challa in any way, shape or form.

And while knowing alot of styles sounds good in comics, but in reality it ain't that useful. To paraphrase Bruce Lee "I don't fear a man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time. I fear the man who has practiced one kick ten thousand times."

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Except that T'Challa runs at peak physical performance. He's got his own version of super serum. Physically, he'd dominate her.

And besides, it doesn't matter what she knows, it's how she uses it. Just because she knows a bunch of fighting styles doesn't mean she's an expert on when to apply them. And she sure isn't smarter than T'Challa.

Echo is kinda of an expert in everything she sees if the person perfoming the action is an expert, and she has DD, Bullesye, Elektra And Iron Fist abilities...and she has been hangin' around with wolverine lately....I'm not saying she could win agains BP but I detest when people jump at the "Insert character could not loose against" train and give a bazillion reasons to why they cant and won't loose...and then suddenly the character they are defending starts to sound like a Claremazon.

it's like they're in a f-ing crusade...c'mon people..BP beat the Silver Surfer...it all depends on the writer.. :wink:

I'm sorry if I sounded kinda angry, I don't want to pick a fight with anyone...I'm just still pissed at the whole " Emma Frost could NEVER enter the mind of the WHOLE MIGHTY DUCK-FU EXPERT DOCTOR DOOOOM AND HIS 1000 AWESOMNESS THINGIES" debacle I read the other day in the X-forums :frown:

[bebopeva88]

Echo really wouldn't have much of a chance against T'Challa, and I get what some people are saying in that it's at least feasbile that she could pull off a victory against him, but it'd be a really freak occurrence.

T'Challa is extremely well versed in martial arts, and while Echo has the advantage of using her ability to mimic what she sees/has seen, T'Challa is so well versed and experienced in his fighting abilities that Echo's abilitites aren't as much of an advantage as some might think.

Beyond that, T'Challa is basically beyond peak human ability with HSH, and even if we assume Echo is T'Challa's equal just in fighting ability (which hasn't been shown to be anywhere near true), T'Challa is much more experienced, and much stronger. The Bruce Lee paraphrase from The Cool ThatGuy is very applicable here.

I dig Echo, but for those championing her here, consider how Taskmaster would fare against T'Challa. I think most would come to the conclusion that Taskmaster would lose the majority of fights against T'Challa, but could hold his own. Sure, Taskmaster would be able to beat T'Challa sometimes, but not a majority of the time, leaving weapons out of the equation, and going solely with hand to hand skills. By comparison, I'd say Taskmaster is a superior fighter to Echo, because of his experience, and his strength. So it's CONCEIVABLE that Echo could beat T'Challa, but not likely.

[Umbra]

Echo is a trained figher, who can copy styles...

But T’Challa is a product of Reprogenetics and Eugenics; meaning he was at Peak levels *before* the HSH...he has trained his body and mind since birth, through years of physical and mental conditioning. He is a *trained* warrior. The HSH pushes him to Enhanced/Above Peak Levels, just below superhuman.

He would own her, and she would never be able to keep up. She can mimic, but it will not matter when he is pounding on you.

[escapegoat]

What the hell!?!

Echo can't be the new Black Panther....not when she's already the Red Hulk.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Echo really wouldn't have much of a chance against T'Challa, and I get what some people are saying in that it's at least feasbile that she could pull off a victory against him, but it'd be a really freak occurrence.

T'Challa is extremely well versed in martial arts, and while Echo has the advantage of using her ability to mimic what she sees/has seen, T'Challa is so well versed and experienced in his fighting abilities that Echo's abilitites aren't as much of an advantage as some might think.

Beyond that, T'Challa is basically at peak human ability, and even if we assume Echo is T'Challa's equal in fighting ability (which hasn't been shown to be anywhere near true), T'Challa is much more experienced, and much stronger. The Bruce Lee paraphrase from The Cool ThatGuy is very applicable here.

I dig Echo, but for those championing her here, consider how Taskmaster would fare against T'Challa. I think most would come to the conclusion that Taskmaster would lose the majority of fights against T'Challa, but could hold his own. Sure, Taskmaster would be able to beat T'Challa sometimes, but not a majority of the time, leaving weapons out of the equation, and going solely with hand to hand skills. By comparison, I'd say Taskmaster is a superior fighter to Echo, because of his experience, and his strength. So it's CONCEIVABLE that Echo could beat T'Challa, but not likely.

That's More Like it :wink: Anywho..Why did the whole BP vs Echo started anyway?

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Echo is a trained figher, who can copy styles...

But T’Challa is a product of Reprogenetics and Eugenics; meaning he was at Peak levels *before* the HSH...he has trained his body and mind since birth, through years of physical and mental conditioning. He is a *trained* warrior. The HSH pushes him to Enhanced/Above Peak Levels, just below superhuman.

He would own her, and she would never be able to keep up. She can mimic, but it will not matter when he is pounding on you.



And...Suddenly Black Panther sounds Like Sage...since they're so Alike (and I mean..PERFECT) she could be the new BP :rolleyes:

C'mmon..I love Emma Frost But I can totally see other people winning against her telepathic abilities :wink:

[The Cool Thatguy]

That's More Like it :wink: Anywho..Why did the whole BP vs Echo started anyway?

Because some people are foolish enough to believe that pic Marvel put up.

[Umbra]

And...Suddenly Black Panther sounds Like Sage...since they're so Alike (and I mean..PERFECT) she could be the new BP :rolleyes:

C'mmon..I love Emma Frost But I can totally see other people winning against her telepathic abilities :wink:

It's he is not perfect, or unbeatable...as you can see in the new previews...but that is his background in this vol.

It's funny how Thor, CA, etc, etc... can exhibited the same qualities and no one says PERFECT, but with T'challa, it's a draw back? Funny stuff.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It's he is not perfect, or unbeatable...as you can see in the new previews...but that is his background in this vol.

It's funny how Thor, CA, etc, etc... can exhibited the same qualities and no one says PERFECT, but with T'challa, it's a draw back? Funny stuff.

That's what happens when writers use characters as a high horse and other established characters as their strawmen. Ain't nothing new.

[Vanish]

Echo would be an AWESOME Black Panther. I'd read it.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

It's he is not perfect, or unbeatable...as you can see in the new previews...but that is his background in this vol.

It's funny how Thor, CA, etc, etc... can exhibited the same qualities and no one says PERFECT, but with T'challa, it's a draw back? Funny stuff.

I'm A such Racist right ? :rolleyes:

I dislike Thor...In fact I stay the hell away from his book... I dislike all those characters with those Unbeatables qualities... Hulk, Phoenix, Thor, Doom, Sage... You name it... In fact, BP is the only character of "that" list wich book I buy in a regular basis...or even buy at all... bc I like T'challa... I don't have a problem with him... I have a problem when people start giving a characters that " __ couldn't EVER beat him" touch :wink:

[Umbra]

That's what happens when writers use characters as a high horse and other established characters as their strawmen. Ain't nothing new.

I can agree with that, but then also...folks need to reconize that you can use that anymore with the up coming volume. It looks like T'challa as on the brink of death.

[Umbra]

I'm A such Racist right ? :rolleyes:

I dislike Thor...In fact I stay the hell away from his book... I dislike all those characters with those Unbeatables qualities... Hulk, Phoenix, Thor, Doom, Sage... You name it... In fact, BP is the only character of "that" list wich book I buy in a regular basis...or even buy at all... bc I like T'challa... I don't have a problem with him... I have a problem when people start giving a characters that " __ couldn't EVER beat him" touch :wink:

I never called you racist. Just stated the facts. No one ever makes the same complains about them. It's accepted.

T'challa is who he is, and I was just stating it. Because of his above Peak human status...Echo would have a lot of trouble, and he would beat her. Simple.

I like all the characters you named. so to each his own...

[The Cool Thatguy]

I can agree with that, but then also...folks need to reconize that you can use that anymore with the up coming volume. It looks like T'challa as on the brink of death.

That depends on how his replacement is depicted. As I've said before, Hudlin has a bad habit of tearing other characters down to build up his.

[Umbra]

That depends on how his replacement is depicted. As I've said before, Hudlin has a bad habit of tearing other characters down to build up his.

Yup. I agree.

I really think it was just "lazy writting."

[Cruelly_Innocent]

I never called you racist. Just stated the facts. No one ever makes the same complains about them. It's accepted.

T'challa is who he is, and I was just stating it. Because of his above Peak human status...Echo would have a lot of trouble, and he would beat her. Simple.

I like all the characters you named. so to each his own...

I was just kidding mate, and I agree that they overlook thos qualities in other heroes...But I think I don't :cool:

And that's where you lost me. I Agree that BP is an exceptional fighter and strategist...he rocked my socks in his SI tien-ins...but you make that absolute comment that she could never win tacit in your post... Echo has a chance...as slight as I could be. Every hero has a chance against another...when you don't give Echo a chance to win they fight...I think you give T'challa that "Unnbeatable" touch.. Even Magneto killed Jean with the Phoenix Force active on her , and Emma frost beat Rachel Grey...who has a infinte amount of psionic power ..in every battle they're variables mate :wink:

And I do agree with last part, we all have different tastes, Like I said I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just saying what I think about what I see as an absolute comment...not a judgment to BP as a character :wink:

[marvell2100]

I believe their are other viable candidates within Wakandan society to take on the mantle of BP. You have Storm, T'Challa's sister(I can't remember her name right now), QDJ and Okoye of the Dora Milaje. Nothing personal against Echo and I'm not doubting her skills but I'd rather see one of the others become BP.

[Umbra]

I was just kidding mate, and I agree that they overlook thos qualities in other heroes...But I think I don't :cool:

And that's where you lost me. I Agree that BP is an exceptional fighter and strategist...he rocked my socks in his SI tien-ins...but you make that absolute comment that she could never win tacit in your post... Echo has a chance...as slight as I could be. Every hero has a chance against another...when you don't give Echo a chance to win they fight...I think you give T'challa that "Unnbeatable" touch.. Even Magneto killed Jean with the Phoenix Force active on her , and Emma frost beat Rachel Grey...who has a infinte amount of psionic power ..in every battle they're variables mate :wink:

And I do agree with last part, we all have different tastes, Like I said I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just saying what I think about what I see as an absolute comment...not a judgment to BP as a character :wink:


Ok she as a slight chance. Better.?:biggrin:

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Ok she as a slight chance. Better.?:biggrin:

Yeah, much better

we're totally best pals forever now :biggrin:

[Umbra]

Yeah, much better

we're totally best pals forever now :biggrin:

Awesome. You are right about my framing. I'm a huge T'challa fanboi.:redface:

:wink:

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Awesome. You are right about my framing. I'm a huge T'challa fanboi.:redface:

:wink:

I actually..It sounded like I'm not ..but I'm a huge fan too, I specially like the costume for some reason :wink:

And I'm also an Echo fan...so I thought I had to put my 2 cents for the girl

[Assemble]

http://creative.myspacecdn.com/groups/_mcb/mycupojoe/week036/img/MRV_BLAPdoraFlat.jpg

Okay... now this is up.

Just when I got excited about ECHO being the new BP.

and who the hell is this??

[drwho]

Those are BPS body guards. The only person that makes real sense being BP is Storm. BP is the leader of the people of Wakanda. If Tchalla is out of whack it makes sense that the queen would take up the mantle.

[babybro]

Ah man, looks like no Echo, ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I'll still probably pick it up but my interest dropped a notch.

[Assemble]

Ah man, looks like no Echo, ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I'll still probably pick it up but my interest dropped a notch.

Same here...

[Venom Melendez]

Why do you think it's a joke? And if it is, it's worked in pretty seemlessly.


It's part of their usual ad campaigns. Like when they had the whole '' Who's the New Captain America?''

Anyway, there is another ad with another person as the possible new Panther.

[Venom Melendez]

Those are BPS body guards. The only person that makes real sense being BP is Storm. BP is the leader of the people of Wakanda. If Tchalla is out of whack it makes sense that the queen would take up the mantle.


Not really, considering how Wakanda's Monarchy works.

Though my bet that it is Storm.

[residentholy3]

Echo is Ronin.
Echo is the new Black Panther.
Echo is Mutant Zero.
Echo is Red Hulk.
Echo is Hush.
Echo is the keeper of the Ebony Blade.
Echo killed Ultimate Scarlet Witch.
Echo killed The Comedian.
Echo caused the plague that killed all the men.
Echo is destined to destroy the Breakworld.
Echo is SYLAR's real mom.

[Venom Melendez]

Ah man, looks like no Echo, ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I'll still probably pick it up but my interest dropped a notch.

It wouldn't make sense anyway.

She's never met Panther before.

[Evil-Spidey]

If she really was the new BP, she would look more like this in the costume:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/b_3d/blackpanther.gif

[Atom_basher]

Echo is Ronin.
Echo is the new Black Panther.
Echo is Mutant Zero.
Echo is Red Hulk.
Echo is Hush.
Echo is the keeper of the Ebony Blade.
Echo killed Ultimate Scarlet Witch.
Echo killed The Comedian.
Echo caused the plague that killed all the men.
Echo is destined to destroy the Breakworld.
Echo is SYLAR's real mom.


she also kidnapped the lindbergh baby

[Ryan W]

I can't remember her name, or if she has one, but that's the captain of the Dora Miljae.

They're basically the personal bodyguard/harem of the Black Panther (though T'Challa did away with the harem tradition during his rule), made entirely of warrior women who are some of the most skilled fighters in Wakanda.

Still, I'm betting that the new Black Panther is either T'Challa's little sister or the long-forgotten character of Queen Divine Justice :biggrin:

[The Cool Thatguy]

I can't remember her name, or if she has one, but that's the captain of the Dora Miljae.

They're basically the personal bodyguard/harem of the Black Panther (though T'Challa did away with the harem tradition during his rule), made entirely of warrior women who are some of the most skilled fighters in Wakanda.

Still, I'm betting that the new Black Panther is either T'Challa's little sister or the long-forgotten character of Queen Divine Justice :biggrin:

You probably can't remember their names because they haven't been named yet in Hudlin's series. Classy guy.

[americocaine]

Its not freaking Echo. This is another tease.

[taozen]

If she really was the new BP, she would look more like this in the costume:

http://www.marveldirectory.com/pictures/individuals/b_3d/blackpanther.gif

I totally agree. I will just wait until T'Challa comes back.

[CyberHubbs]

Ah, well. I would've liked for it to be Echo. That could've been her thing, working as a stand-in for heroes that were out of commission for whatever reason.

[babybro]

It wouldn't make sense anyway.

She's never met Panther before.


So. That doesn't matter to me. In some cases, I like unpredicatability, especially with comics. So for me, Storm being black panther is of course, predictable. His bodyguards being black panther, also predictable, but Echo being black panther? wth? Unpredictable, but unpredictable for me on many occasions mean more interesting.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So. That doesn't matter to me. In some cases, I like unpredicatability, especially with comics. So for me, Storm being black panther is of course, predictable. His bodyguards being black panther, also predictable, but Echo being black panther? wth? Unpredictable, but unpredictable for me on many occasions mean more interesting.

Unpredictable and good are two different things ;)

[babybro]

Unpredictable and good are two different things ;)

LMAO! Could be yeah, but I know first hand, I would definitely be more interested if Echo was leading the charge than say storm, because it would be so out there, so unique that I would want to know the reason why. WIth storm, I already know, she's BP's wife. Therefore, taking that excitement away from the comic.

But of course, many people won't agree so it's understandable, just count me on the side of liking the idea of Echo being BP.

[Venom Melendez]

LMAO! Could be yeah, but I know first hand, I would definitely be more interested if Echo was leading the charge than say storm, because it would be so out there, so unique that I would want to know the reason why. WIth storm, I already know, she's BP's wife. Therefore, taking that excitement away from the comic.

But of course, many people won't agree so it's understandable, just count me on the side of liking the idea of Echo being BP.


But she's not royalty or even from wakanda.

She's a girl from the Bronx.

Ninja girl from the Bronx but you get my point.

Predictable isn't always bad and unexpected isn't always good. Sometimes you just go with what make sense and Echo being BP doesn't make a lick of sense.

[Gene M.]

What I don't get is that the solicits say that this is a "70th anniversary" issue. 70th anniversary of what?

[residentholy3]

What I don't get is that the solicits say that this is a "70th anniversary" issue. 70th anniversary of what?

It's Marvel's 70th anniversary. Every month one comic is going to have the special white 70th anniversary variant. I'm pretty sure the Echo cover and the Body Guard cover are 50/50.

BTW, it'll be interesting if FF 563 can even come out in January.

[ZeoVGM]

But she's not royalty or even from wakanda.

She's a girl from the Bronx.

Ninja girl from the Bronx but you get my point.

Predictable isn't always bad and unexpected isn't always good. Sometimes you just go with what make sense and Echo being BP doesn't make a lick of sense.

Probably because you haven't read it yet.

[babybro]

But she's not royalty or even from wakanda.

She's a girl from the Bronx.

Ninja girl from the Bronx but you get my point.

Predictable isn't always bad and unexpected isn't always good. Sometimes you just go with what make sense and Echo being BP doesn't make a lick of sense.


I never said that predictable is bad or unexpected is good. I'm just saying "FOR ME PERSONALLY", something that is unexpected or unpredictable originally will have more interest in me personally than something I expect. Now again, this is me personally and that's how I am so.

[Venom Melendez]

Probably because you haven't read it yet.

Except this is only a teaser and Echo might not be the one under the mask.

[joemagnum611]

Those are BPS body guards. The only person that makes real sense being BP is Storm. BP is the leader of the people of Wakanda. If Tchalla is out of whack it makes sense that the queen would take up the mantle.

Why does it make more sense for Storm to be BP? She is powerful and be a symbol in her own right. Then they can have someone else like his sister (I forget her name) take on the mantel and carry on the legacy of the Black Panther.

[Umbra]

Why does it make more sense for Storm to be BP? She is powerful and be a symbol in her own right. Then they can have someone else like his sister (I forget her name) take on the mantel and carry on the legacy of the Black Panther.

Because as Queen she is acting ruler... the legacy of the Black Panther is not a being hero(as so many assume), but a rulership, and leader of their religion.

He and his wife are one...what is his, is hers and vice versa... and Storm will take revenge on who ever hurt him... and she will where the Panther abbott to honor him while doing it...

The change will not last that long...basically this is a storm revenge story arc coming up.

Don't f with her husband. It's not about how much power, blah blah blah, it about love and if you hurt someone she loves what she will do to you.

[Evil-Spidey]

This happens when they don't have a fixed direction for a character. What's next? She becomes the new herald of Galactus?

[GalactaSurfer]

This happens when they don't have a fixed direction for a character. What's next? She becomes the new herald of Galactus?

I'd buy it :biggrin:

[Crimson]

I reckon these ads are a desperate attempt to make everyone question who she is, when really we all went "Oh... its Storm".

It might not be Storm but when the character was first unveiled no one questioned it, we all just felt comfortable with the fact we thought it was Storm. Not what you want for a mystery.

[2-4-5_Trioxin]

I didnt even know it was a she till you spoiled in your thread title. Id say "thanks alot" but the sarcasm doesnt do the job justice.

[Crowforge]

Wouldn't the new BP have to be related to the Old BP in order to use the mutating fruit that turns you into BP?
Side note: there must be some crazy inbreeding going on to keep using that fruit.

[steveg887]

I didnt even know it was a she till you spoiled in your thread title. Id say "thanks alot" but the sarcasm doesnt do the job justice.

There have been ads for weeks now saying that the new Black Panther was going to be a woman. He didn't spoil anything, just repeating what Marvel has been telling everyone.

Honestly, even if you didn't hear about it now, you'd figure it out from the cover of the first issue:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images//solicits/marvelcomics/20081205-darkreign/BLAP001_COV.jpg

[Beast]

I didnt even know it was a she till you spoiled in your thread title. Id say "thanks alot" but the sarcasm doesnt do the job justice.
You mean the fact the character had boobs didn't make it clear it was a woman?

[steveg887]

You mean the fact the character had boobs didn't make it clear it was a woman?

If that's the case, then he has bigger problems than some comic book spoilers.

[Cthulhudrew]

Wouldn't the new BP have to be related to the Old BP in order to use the mutating fruit that turns you into BP?

Not necessarily. Killmonger created a synthetic substitute in Priest's Black Panther run that he gave to Kasper "White Tiger" Kole that achieved pretty much the same effects as BP's natural version... but without the murderous side-effects.

[explicit]

The new Panther is Echo from the New Avengers.

[BBeeryan]

I just received my issue of Uncanny X-men #505. And I must say, with the advice Queen Ororo of Wakanda, gave to the White Queen, it would be highly hypocritical of Storm NOT to take up the mantle of Black Panther; seeing as T'Challa will become incapable of doing the job.

I doubt its a coincedence.


Oh... there is a new picture out, with the head of one of T'Challa's DM. Can someone post a link?

[Crowforge]

Not necessarily. Killmonger created a synthetic substitute in Priest's Black Panther run that he gave to Kasper "White Tiger" Kole that achieved pretty much the same effects as BP's natural version... but without the murderous side-effects.
This I hate.

[SquidSquod]

Most likely T'Challa sister, Shuri. Hudlin loves her and he said he has both a son and a daughter. The Black Panthers are sibling.

[RolandJP]

I know who she is but I aint tellin. I will post hints of who i think she is, up to the new issue.

1. She is not this woman

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/miss_maxim_greece_108639_5.jpg

[explicit]

I know who she is but I aint tellin.
*loud groan*

Making it sound like you can predict the stock market or something. WOOAAAH. THIS GUY KNOWS WHO SHE IS. But he won't tell us because it's some kind of super special sekrat.

*backhands you*

Apologize for provoking my wrath!


The new BP is Echo and that's all there is to it. Where did that Alan Moore quote from your sig come from btw?

[babybro]

I know who she is but I aint tellin. I will post hints of who i think she is, up to the new issue.

1. She is not this woman

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/miss_maxim_greece_108639_5.jpg



LOL, godd****, I wish it was, I would pre-order the first 12 issues in a heartbeat LMAO!

[Crimson]

Who is that woman? I think I love her.

[Umbra]

*loud groan*

Making it sound like you can predict the stock market or something. WOOAAAH. THIS GUY KNOWS WHO SHE IS. But he won't tell us because it's some kind of super special sekrat.

*backhands you*

Apologize for provoking my wrath!


The new BP is Echo and that's all there is to it. Where did that Alan Moore quote from your sig come from btw?



The new BP *is NOT* Echo and that's all there is to it.
:biggrin:

[Beadle]

The new BP *is NOT* Echo and that's all there is to it.
:biggrin:
Exactly. She'd be almost genius-like in her uselessness as the Black Panther.

"My name is Maya Lopez, and I am the the new Black Panther. I can defeat anyone in the depths of the jungle, so long as they aren't hiding in the undergrowth or behind a tree. That's cheating. I have to be able to see them or it's not fair."

[RolandJP]

*loud groan*

Making it sound like you can predict the stock market or something. WOOAAAH. THIS GUY KNOWS WHO SHE IS. But he won't tell us because it's some kind of super special sekrat.

*backhands you*

Apologize for provoking my wrath!


The new BP is Echo and that's all there is to it. Where did that Alan Moore quote from your sig come from btw?

HA HA, thats not the first backhand Ive received for my actions.

My Alan Moore sig quote came from an EW weekly interview
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20213004,00.html


LOL, godd****, I wish it was, I would pre-order the first 12 issues in a heartbeat LMAO!

Tell me about it. I hope She-BP has at least one photo-style cover in the works.

Who is that woman? I think I love her.

The one in the Picture is Miss Greece 2007..talk about the irony of that fact.

[Evil-Spidey]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/NoPrize/miss_maxim_greece_108639_5.jpg

She sure looks to me like the new Black Panther.

[sHayden]

whoever she is or isn't..is the book gonna suck?

[Crowforge]

Probably will.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It has Hudlin writing it. He's guarenteed to make the character his female mary-sue and provide lots of comedy with how bad it gets.

[Umbra]

I don't think it is going to be bad. In fact, some over state things because they cannot think for themselves and it's cool to say it's 'going to suck, he sucks, and he is racist.'

Never mind the fact that he wrote that entire volume on his spare time on flights between home and biz...while running a major cable network.

Now he is 100 % focused on the comic. How about wait and see, because there aren't may writers who would have been able to pull that off.

[ComiXFanBoy]

i think its angela del toro. if it is, i hope hudlin doesnt screw her up like he did with t'chaka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Del_Toro

[Umbra]

i think its angela del toro. if it is, i hope hudlin doesnt screw her up like he did with t'chaka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Del_Toro

Lol, did you even read this volume? He didn't screw 'T;chaka' up nor did he screw T'challa the Black Panther up.

Anyhow...

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage9962361_thumb.jpg

[RolandJP]

Lol, did you even read this volume? He didn't screw 'T;chaka' up nor did he screw T'challa the Black Panther up.

Anyhow...

http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage9962361_thumb.jpg


http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage9962361.jpg

[RolandJP]

It has Hudlin writing it. He's guarenteed to make the character his female mary-sue and provide lots of comedy with how bad it gets.

I dont think so.

Just like Kevin G. rocked Blue Marvel--(which--might I add, had a lot of the same people predicting that book would fail)--I am positive this book will be written just as well.

I cant wait to laugh off all of this fanhate.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I dont think so.

Just like Kevin G. rocked Blue Marvel--(which--might I add, had a lot of the same people predicting that book would fail)--I am positive this book will be written just as well.

I cant wait to laugh off all of this fanhate.

The difference is that, compared to New Warriors, Kevin G isn't operating under the dumbest mandate ever with Blue Marvel. He has free reign and can strut his stuff because his characters don't conflict with the core concept (imagine how much the series would suck if Blue Marvel were white. Not even Alan Moore would have been able to save it).

But here, what's changed? Hudlin's had a complete free hand since day 1. Only writers on original or creator owned series (say, Fables or Noble Causes) have had greater creative freedom with their series than Hudlin has.

You may be right, this series will be great. But the only real difference between the upcoming Black Panther and the first Panther issue Hudlin wrote...is that this Panther has boobs.

[Wind Rider]

Nice pic with Shuri.... It just makes so much sense for his sister to be the new Black Panther.

[Umbra]

The difference is that, compared to New Warriors, Kevin G isn't operating under the dumbest mandate ever with Blue Marvel. He has free reign and can strut his stuff because his characters don't conflict with the core concept (imagine how much the series would suck if Blue Marvel were white. Not even Alan Moore would have been able to save it).

But here, what's changed? Hudlin's had a complete free hand since day 1. Only writers on original or creator owned series (say, Fables or Noble Causes) have had greater creative freedom with their series than Hudlin has.

You may be right, this series will be great. But the only real difference between the upcoming Black Panther and the first Panther issue Hudlin wrote...is that this Panther has boobs.

AND he is not running a MAJOR CABLE NETWORK and writing inbetween plane trips.

[Flâneur]

The Black Panther could be more than one person; each of the variants could be true. They'd all conceivably be able to use the same fighting style and a mask is a mask, it's not like you can tell which is the real disguised character [think V for Vendetta or even Daredevil].

[The Cool Thatguy]

AND he is not running a MAJOR CABLE NETWORK and writing inbetween plane trips.

He wasn't running one before he started, IIRC. And despite running BET, I don't recall him ever once being late with a script, so I doubt it was as much as drain on him as you imply.

[Beadle]

I think it's a post-operative transsexual Frog Man.

[Series5Ranger]

Ok just for the Record in the one picture posted with the Masked Panther, the eyes are brown, which we all know Ororo's eyes are blue so Storm isn't the new Panther. Logic would dictate that it's the Panther's sister. This makes it so Storm leads Wakanda while Shuri defends it during T'Challa's recovery period.

[Monty_Cristo]

Ok just for the Record in the one picture posted with the Masked Panther, the eyes are brown, which we all know Ororo's eyes are blue so Storm isn't the new Panther. Logic would dictate that it's the Panther's sister. This makes it so Storm leads Wakanda while Shuri defends it during T'Challa's recovery period.

or Shuri and Ororo get hitched.

[drwho]

I have seen Ororo have brown and pupiless eyes before. I dont recall storm having blue eyes really. Is this a known fact, or a coloring error.

[princesa]

I'm still thinking its Storm. I'm totally loving the setup. Almost as much as I love haters of the book/writer magnetized to these discussions in crackhead fashion. 'I hate it...but I must talk about it--all-the time-in every...thread':tongue: Do a thread and poof they appear.

[BBeeryan]

Ok just for the Record in the one picture posted with the Masked Panther, the eyes are brown, which we all know Ororo's eyes are blue so Storm isn't the new Panther. Logic would dictate that it's the Panther's sister. This makes it so Storm leads Wakanda while Shuri defends it during T'Challa's recovery period.

Okay!:eek:

Well let's, for a minute, assume that one of the three released covers (Shuri, Echo, DM) IS the new BP. Wouldn't that mean that the other TWO covers are fake? Let's take that logic, and assume, that it IS possible that the cover with brown eyes is a fake. I mean seeing as it is totally possible.:rolleyes:

[RolandJP]

I think it's a post-operative transsexual Frog Man.

Where were you when I was trying to get a fresh new transmutant on the X-teams? :tongue:

Seriously tho, why limit the potential characters who could sub for BP while he recovers from the wounds Storm inflicts on him. Any woman character in the Marvel with ties to Wakanda or the jungle for that matter should be viable for the title. If they survive the Panther God and the numerous trials that is.

Side note: X-men: Worlds Apart #3 on sale DEC 31.........GO COP THAT!!!

[Tracks]

crud, I liked black panther a lot, but right now it seems everyone is getting replaced, wolverine/daken, captain america/bucky, hulk/skaar, and no black panther...I hope BP stays in the game though

[Beast]

Side note: X-men: Worlds Apart #3 on sale DEC 31.........GO COP THAT!!!
Strike that. On Sale January 2nd. Thanks to Christmas and New Years.

[BBeeryan]

Strike that. On Sale January 2nd. Thanks to Christmas and New Years.

Strike that. Chris Yost, himself, told me other wise. 12/31 is a go!!!

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I don't think it is going to be bad. In fact, some over state things because they cannot think for themselves and it's cool to say it's 'going to suck, he sucks, and he is racist.'

He sucks because he never developed a good supporting cast , his Black Panther was himself wrote into the book. The laws of fan fiction is whoever writes will always screw up and do 3 things.

1. His hero is never wrong

2. His hero will get the girl in quick ASAP fashion.

3. The rest of the characters will pale to the hero and he'll never be pushed hard.

Hudlin did all 3 basically.

Never mind the fact that he wrote that entire volume on his spare time on flights between home and biz...while running a major cable network.

Which he ran piss poor. The BET Network was just ran piss poor. This says what for Hudlin ? He can't run a network and he can't write a good monthly comic ?

Now he is 100 % focused on the comic. How about wait and see, because there aren't may writers who would have been able to pull that off.

I gotta give Hudlin credit there. Only he could tank a network and tank a comic character at the same time. I think history will mark this one down.

I dont think so.

Just like Kevin G. rocked Blue Marvel--(which--might I add, had a lot of the same people predicting that book would fail)--I am positive this book will be written just as well.

I cant wait to laugh off all of this fanhate.

Ohh well ...there will be us laughing at how bad female Black Panther gets. I know I can't wait. :evilsmile:

The difference is that, compared to New Warriors, Kevin G isn't operating under the dumbest mandate ever with Blue Marvel. He has free reign and can strut his stuff because his characters don't conflict with the core concept (imagine how much the series would suck if Blue Marvel were white. Not even Alan Moore would have been able to save it).

But here, what's changed? Hudlin's had a complete free hand since day 1. Only writers on original or creator owned series (say, Fables or Noble Causes) have had greater creative freedom with their series than Hudlin has.

You may be right, this series will be great. But the only real difference between the upcoming Black Panther and the first Panther issue Hudlin wrote...is that this Panther has boobs.

Basically...he's been handed everything on a silver platter. Its just nothings worked. And the fault lands at him now. This revamped Black Panther...if it fails , well best get ready for more blame.

AND he is not running a MAJOR CABLE NETWORK and writing inbetween plane trips.

He wasn't running one before he started, IIRC. And despite running BET, I don't recall him ever once being late with a script, so I doubt it was as much as drain on him as you imply.

The fact he ran it piss poor and finally had to resign should tell us how that went. One enertainment piece said he never developed any hit shows in the years he ran the network and has Black Panther as a cartoon in the can waiting. Not impressive at all to be honest.

[Beast]

Strike that. Chris Yost, himself, told me other wise. 12/31 is a go!!!
Trust me. Comics arn't coming out til January 2nd due to the holidays.

[BBeeryan]

Trust me. Comics arn't coming out til January 2nd due to the holidays.

Damn, that sucks Beast. But thanx, eventhough I'm still skeptical.

[Umbra]

He sucks because he never developed a good supporting cast , his Black Panther was himself wrote into the book. The laws of fan fiction is whoever writes will always screw up and do 3 things.

I agree that he never devleoped a great supporting cast, but a lot of things you are stating as fact are just pure opinion and hater bs. Sorry.

1. His hero is never wrong
Ah, he was wrong several times in this volume. In fact he is similar to Reed in that regard. Dude is a super genius, and his MO is prep and planning... that is his thing... again, this is more opinion then fact.

2. His hero will get the girl in quick ASAP fashion.
This is pure b.s...the DUDE is the richest man in MU, the dude is a freaking King, royalty and he has only been seen in TWO damn relationships of note...HOW DOES HE GET THE GIRL in quick ASAP fashion. That is b.s...you can only come up with this is you ignore stuff to fit your agenda. Like the long, 6 issue Storm mini by Eric Jerome Dickey which is pretty good in my opinion. This is a freaking comic... i don't want to wait 50 years to see a relationship. Again, you have to ignore things to come up with that nonsense.

3. The rest of the characters will pale to the hero and he'll never be pushed hard.
So I guess him being in a med tank near death, and getting beat by Erik Killmonger is *never* being pushed hard. T'challa was 'pushed' hard for his entire existence and was never used like he was intended, and Kirby's Black Panther is far more uber then Hudlin's, in fact that is where his biggest influence comes from.

I don't her people say those things about Thor, or other powerful characters...yet they do the this over and over with the Black Panther. I reread RH run in trade, and it is not as bad as some are saying on this board.

Hudlin did all 3 basically.
So Basically, you don't like the dude, so don't read his work. Don't post about him, don't post about the BP. Basically everything you wrote is something you elaborately constructed in your head. A agenda that is made up to fit your opinion and hate.



Which he ran piss poor. The BET Network was just ran piss poor. This says what for Hudlin ? He can't run a network and he can't write a good monthly comic ?

Like you watch BET. Give me a freaking break...he ran the network the best it has BEEN EVER RUN. He was actually trying to turn the network AROUND. He was also getting rid of nonsense programming, and replacing it with some stuff that is entertaining with resistance from the status quo still at the network.



I gotta give Hudlin credit there. Only he could tank a network and tank a comic character at the same time. I think history will mark this one down.

Again, more b.s and agenda. It's people like you who TANK the comic industry. It's folks like you who really turn people off from reading comics with all your elitist geek bs and double standards. MOST PEOPLE don't read comics...they don't. He was trying to target nonreaders and get them to read comic books. B.E.T hasn't Tanked, neither as the Panther comic book...so why lie...oh yeah to fit your bs agenda.

I think I am going to start placing folks on ignore. I can understand someone like Coolguy having a issue that he explained, but some of you folk, who don't even read the comic and don't even like the character...stating nonsense as fact is sort of getting lame. The Hudlin hate is really, really lame. How many times are you people going to post the same B.S.

[princesa]

[QUOTE=Umbra;8114810]I

So Basically, you don't like the dude, so don't read his work. Don't post about him, don't post about the BP. Basically everything you wrote is something you elaborately constructed in your head. A agenda that is made up to fit your opinion and hate.

I think I am going to start placing folks on ignore. I can understand someone like Coolguy having a issue that he explained, but some of you folk, who don't even read the comic and don't even like the character...stating nonsense as fact is sort of getting lame. The Hudlin hate is really, really lame. How many times are you people going to post the same B.S.[/QUOTE


Because you are a masochist addicted to pain:tongue:

[americocaine]

Still don't think its Storm cause that means they'd pull her out of X-Men but with White Queen turning the tables on them then anything's possible I guess..

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I agree that he never devleoped a great supporting cast, but a lot of things you are stating as fact are just pure opinion and hater bs. Sorry.


Haterz Unite....


Ah, he was wrong several times in this volume. In fact he is similar to Reed in that regard. Dude is a super genius, and his MO is prep and planning... that is his thing... again, this is more opinion then fact.

There is many instances of Black Panther never being wrong. The most comical was the magic frogs he had as a defense against Galactus. According to one poster , Preist wrote Panther had a contigency plan but never revealed it. Or was smart enough not to. Unlike Hudlin...who did.

This is pure b.s...the DUDE is the richest man in MU, the dude is a freaking King, royalty and he has only been seen in TWO damn relationships of note...HOW DOES HE GET THE GIRL in quick ASAP fashion. That is b.s...you can only come up with this is you ignore stuff to fit your agenda. Like the long, 6 issue Storm mini by Eric Jerome Dickey which is pretty good in my opinion. This is a freaking comic... i don't want to wait 50 years to see a relationship. Again, you have to ignore things to come up with that nonsense.

6 Issues does not make a relationship. No matter how much retconning is done. This is a freaking comic as you posted...if the characters have barely had any interaction in 20 years , you can't force them togethor with a retcon claiming they are soul mates and destined to be togethor after meeting as kids. Its not waiting 50 years either...its telling good stories.'

Lois Lane in the modern era within 4 years was enganged to Clark Kent. Over in Flash Linda Park within 2-3 years was enganged and married Wally West. Had they started a relationship in the books , built on it....had the characters meeting and taking time togethor....more fans would have bought into it.

Instead it was a craptacular storyline , pissed the X-Fans off the wedding and Ororo was supposed to lure long term and it never has worked. Pulling the trigger in a fan fiction way alienated a large segment of fans.

So I guess him being in a med tank near death, and getting beat by Erik Killmonger is *never* being pushed hard. T'challa was 'pushed' hard for his entire existence and was never used like he was intended, and Kirby's Black Panther is far more uber then Hudlin's, in fact that is where his biggest influence comes from.

He's only in the tank to do Hudlin's new personal mary-sue now. To replace the popular hero for awhile with this new female Panther.

I don't her people say those things about Thor, or other powerful characters...yet they do the this over and over with the Black Panther. I reread RH run in trade, and it is not as bad as some are saying on this board.

What can I say... CBR is a tough place. Many of us aren't pleased with Geoff Johns work on Green Lantern. Even though Johns is a hell of a talented man.

So Basically, you don't like the dude, so don't read his work. Don't post about him, don't post about the BP. Basically everything you wrote is something you elaborately constructed in your head. A agenda that is made up to fit your opinion and hate.

Yes.... yes thats it....I have an agenda to sink Reginald Hudlin's "Black Panther" series. We meet on Wednesdays when the book comes out and we convince everyone to not pick it up. We say "NO TO HUDLIN !!"

For years I read how crappy the work is to be honest. I'd pick up issues in my LCS to look thru and read and well...I wasn't missing much. Still crappy. Maybe you should tell others to not claim how bad a writer he is all over CBR....send a message to us all "STOP DISSING REGINALD HUDLIN !" And maybe some of us won't. Ok who am I kidding ...we'd likely laugh our asses off.

Like you watch BET. Give me a freaking break...he ran the network the best it has BEEN EVER RUN. He was actually trying to turn the network AROUND.

If you mean THE BEST ITS EVER BEEN RUN by not developing hit shows in his tenure as BET VP ...that hits it perfect. Because as one enertainment website said , he never did. His best show on BET ..."In Living Color" repeats. I watch them. The rest ...nope.

He was also getting rid of nonsense programming, and replacing it with some stuff that is entertaining with resistance from the status quo still at the network.

Either way the network didn't turn it around as your trying to put it. You don't see network VP's resign and have a website claim you never did much to change it as a success story.


Again, more b.s and agenda. It's people like you who TANK the comic industry. It's folks like you who really turn people off from reading comics with all your elitist geek bs and double standards.

What can I say...I want the industry to die. I walk into my LCS every Wednesday and try and bury it. I tell people DON'T READ COMICS !! Don't read horrible Reginald Hudlin comics espechially. The guy blows . My eltist geek standerds have worked thus far...readership is down.... HA HA HA. I'm setting up a network to ruin all comics now.

MOST PEOPLE don't read comics...they don't. He was trying to target nonreaders and get them to read comic books. B.E.T hasn't Tanked, neither as the Panther comic book...so why lie...oh yeah to fit your bs agenda.

BET tanked....Black Panther....well its revamped so how quick it tanks is up to this small readership comics have now. Because thats how it works sadly in todays industry. We as readers are a part of a small bubble of readers. Each event and new hyped series gets the same fish bowl of readers each time.

Its how they stick that matters. If the book is good they'll stick. If not they'll save their $2.99 and go elsewhere with it. Lets put it this way....

The best Reginald Hudlin can hope for is an Ed Brubaker "Captain America" type sales rebirth. In it Brubaker revamped Bucky and made him the new Captain America after a huge death of a character. The result saw the title pick up an extra 10,000-20,000 sales. This is a success. Can BP do this ?

I think I am going to start placing folks on ignore. I can understand someone like Coolguy having a issue that he explained, but some of you folk, who don't even read the comic and don't even like the character...stating nonsense as fact is sort of getting lame. The Hudlin hate is really, really lame. How many times are you people going to post the same B.S.

Thats the ticket... no one agrees with you about how SUPER-AWESOME the character is written...place em on ignore. If they don't like a great writer place em on ignore ! We already have a poster who ignores us for saying crap about Britney Spears so it would be funny.

I have favorite writers who get shit on . I accept it and move on. I don't go "I'm ignoring you for mocking Geoff Johns and how awesome he is !"

Hell I don't agree with BND Spiderman ...but I won't ignore peoples posts. Its being a grown up and accepting opposing views.

[drwho]

Still don't think its Storm cause that means they'd pull her out of X-Men but with White Queen turning the tables on them then anything's possible I guess..

When has storm been important in an x-book recently.

[Beast]

When has storm been important in an x-book recently.
Since she was allowed to return from under Huddy's thumb.

[RolandJP]

Since she was allowed to return from under Huddy's thumb.

Look to the future, Beast. That hubby thing is so last year. :;Looks forward to Jan 2009, so I can say that::

[marvell2100]

Since she was allowed to return from under Huddy's thumb.

Yeah since she's been back in the X-books, she spouts a few lines then it's back to the bench. Couldn't even stop a guy on a motorcycle. That's classic.

[BBeeryan]

Yeah since she's been back in the X-books, she spouts a few lines then it's back to the bench. Couldn't even stop a guy on a motorcycle. That's classic.

LMAO:biggrin:

[marvell2100]

With all the interchangeable head shots we've been seeing lately, the speculation that Storm will be the new BP is taking a serious hit. I think it's best this way imo. That way Storm can concentrate on ruling Wakanda and let the new BP handle the other matters. Besides, Storm's claustrophobic, I don't think she would be wearing a full face mask( although she could make it a half-mask).

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah since she's been back in the X-books, she spouts a few lines then it's back to the bench. Couldn't even stop a guy on a motorcycle. That's classic.

Heh, no one but Pixie could. Them things is fast!

[Shade101]

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage9616050_full.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage0565609_full.jpg

Could the new Black Panther be one of these?

[BBeeryan]

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage9616050_full.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/comics/onsale/lib/view2.htm?filename=/i/content/st/6428new_storyimage0565609_full.jpg

Could the new Black Panther be one of these?

With all the covers they have released so far, it makes you wonder why they haven't made a cover with Queen Ororo on it, yet.

[Tyler]

He is the one and only.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/hekate32/Comics/isshurithenewblackpanther.jpg

[RolandJP]

He is the one and only.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/hekate32/Comics/isshurithenewblackpanther.jpg


Clay Akin??

[BBeeryan]

He is the one and only.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/hekate32/Comics/isshurithenewblackpanther.jpg

What the HELL is that?!:eek:

[Dora Milaje]

I say Beyonce is the new Black Panther. Seriously. :)

[RolandJP]

I say Beyonce is the new Black Panther. Seriously. :)


http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00391/Beyonce_Knowles_200_391180a.jpg

[BBeeryan]

With Worlds Apart #3, no wonder they ain't come out with a Storm cover. LOL
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