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ComiXFanBoy
12-16-2008, 08:16 AM
all of these toys were seen as marvel comics back in the day but they did not belong to marvel. aside from GI Joe, are these stories still considered canon in 616 MU? also does anyone know why marvel never intergrated GI Joe like they did conan, red sonja, kull, rom, shogun warriors and godzilla in the MU?
all of these toys were seen as marvel comics back in the day but they did not belong to marvel. aside from GI Joe, are these stories still considered canon in 616 MU? also does anyone know why marvel never intergrated GI Joe like they did conan, red sonja, kull, rom, shogun warriors and godzilla in the MU?
Gidzilla is still considered canon, since we still see plenty of Godzilla supporting cast members walking around like Dr. Demonicus and Red Ronin. Rom and Micronauts are still in canon too.
Transformers were established as being an alternate MU reality, so I suspect the same is true for GI Joe.
all of these toys were seen as marvel comics back in the day but they did not belong to marvel. aside from GI Joe, are these stories still considered canon in 616 MU? also does anyone know why marvel never intergrated GI Joe like they did conan, red sonja, kull, rom, shogun warriors and godzilla in the MU?
All the licensed titles remain canon, the comics just never show the licensed aspects anymore. You still see characters from those titles elsewhere. As for why some titles got integrated, and others didn't, that seems to have been down to the writing teams, and largely based on the era of the license. Most 1970s licensed titles took place in 616, but fewer did in the 1980s.
Zero Hunter
12-16-2008, 04:26 PM
I remember when one of the Shogun Warriors pilots started working for Captain America when Gru was writing the book way back when, so that is still in too.
I remember when one of the Shogun Warriors pilots started working for Captain America when Gru was writing the book way back when, so that is still in too.
Like I said, it is all still canon, they just can't show the licensed bits anymore.
The pilots from Shogun Warriors have turned up in FF and (as you note) in Avengers since their own series ended.
The riders from Team America turned up in The Thing, having taken on a new name.
The Micronauts became the Microns, quietly misplacing the members named after Micronaut toys, and faced Baron Karza substitute Baron Sebek.
Dr. Demonicus and Yetrigar both jumped ship from Godzilla to go to Avengers West Coast.
Ulysses Soloman Archer ditched his truck US1 (based on a toy) and went into space in She-Hulk.
Rom turned up in human form at Rick Jones' wedding, the New Warriors battled a Dire Wraith, Hybrid fought X-Men and ended up as part of the Collective, and new Spaceknights fought Annihilation and got controlled by the Phalanx.
Shang-Chi's dad has switched to new aliases, so no one calls him Fu Manchu anymore.
Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men.
Abdul Alhazred stopped fighting Tarzan, and took on Wolverine instead.
Copperhead switched from being the Human Fly's opponent to being White Tiger's.
Arbok
12-16-2008, 04:51 PM
Dr. Demonicus and Yetrigar both jumped ship from Godzilla to go to Avengers West Coast.
They aren't the only ones:
http://www.tohokingdom.com/comics/cret/godzilla_marvel.htm#mut
Although Godzilla is never stated by name, of course. But he does also later appear in a issue of the Thing in that form before vanishing forever.
Hrungr
12-16-2008, 05:15 PM
The special Hellicarrier first introduced in Godzilla (the flying brick version) was also seen recently in an issue of Hercules (the one Cho took over). I also remember Dugan referencing Godzilla a couple of times (as he was the guy assigned to chasing him), though not by name.
They aren't the only ones:
http://www.tohokingdom.com/comics/cret/godzilla_marvel.htm#mut
Although Godzilla is never stated by name, of course. But he does also later appear in a issue of the Thing in that form before vanishing forever.
He didn't vanish forever. He turned up again recently, back in his old form, in Mighty Avengers #1. It was done as a cameo, so no mention of the name, but it's still him.
Scavenger
12-16-2008, 07:38 PM
Depending on the license, Marvel created characters were owned by Marvel or the toy company. (Hasbro, for example, owns any character that showed up in GI Joe or Transformers first...so they own Kwinn the Eskimo, but they don't own Circut Breaker (first in Secret Wars 2) and Death's Head (first in Doctor Who).)
Obviously the Doctor Who license was differenet, as BBC didn't end up getting Death's Head in that instance.
Depending on the license, Marvel created characters were owned by Marvel or the toy company. (Hasbro, for example, owns any character that showed up in GI Joe or Transformers first...so they own Kwinn the Eskimo, but they don't own Circut Breaker (first in Secret Wars 2) and Death's Head (first in Doctor Who).)
Obviously the Doctor Who license was differenet, as BBC didn't end up getting Death's Head in that instance.
Not quite - Death's Head's first appearance wasn't in Dr. Who. He appeared there after he appeared in Transformers. However, to avoid him becoming part of the Transformers property, he had a one-page preview strip published in various UK Marvel titles the month before he turned up in Transformers.
protege
12-16-2008, 07:50 PM
Like I said, it is all still canon, they just can't show the licensed bits anymore.
The pilots from Shogun Warriors have turned up in FF and (as you note) in Avengers since their own series ended.
The riders from Team America turned up in The Thing, having taken on a new name.
The Micronauts became the Microns, quietly misplacing the members named after Micronaut toys, and faced Baron Karza substitute Baron Sebek.
Dr. Demonicus and Yetrigar both jumped ship from Godzilla to go to Avengers West Coast.
Ulysses Soloman Archer ditched his truck US1 (based on a toy) and went into space in She-Hulk.
Rom turned up in human form at Rick Jones' wedding, the New Warriors battled a Dire Wraith, Hybrid fought X-Men and ended up as part of the Collective, and new Spaceknights fought Annihilation and got controlled by the Phalanx.
Shang-Chi's dad has switched to new aliases, so no one calls him Fu Manchu anymore.
Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men.
Abdul Alhazred stopped fighting Tarzan, and took on Wolverine instead.
Copperhead switched from being the Human Fly's opponent to being White Tiger's.
Well, I find your "Fu Manchu" argument plausible, but i think we need references, or something where they turned up. I don't remember Yertigar in West coast avengers, and wasn't Copperhead originally a DD foe?
GreatLakesAvengers
12-16-2008, 08:41 PM
Like I said, it is all still canon, they just can't show the licensed bits anymore.
The pilots from Shogun Warriors have turned up in FF and (as you note) in Avengers since their own series ended.
The riders from Team America turned up in The Thing, having taken on a new name.
The Micronauts became the Microns, quietly misplacing the members named after Micronaut toys, and faced Baron Karza substitute Baron Sebek.
Dr. Demonicus and Yetrigar both jumped ship from Godzilla to go to Avengers West Coast.
Ulysses Soloman Archer ditched his truck US1 (based on a toy) and went into space in She-Hulk.
Rom turned up in human form at Rick Jones' wedding, the New Warriors battled a Dire Wraith, Hybrid fought X-Men and ended up as part of the Collective, and new Spaceknights fought Annihilation and got controlled by the Phalanx.
Shang-Chi's dad has switched to new aliases, so no one calls him Fu Manchu anymore.
Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men.
Abdul Alhazred stopped fighting Tarzan, and took on Wolverine instead.
Copperhead switched from being the Human Fly's opponent to being White Tiger's.
Color me impressed with all this Marvel continuity knowledge. Two thumbs up, dude!
Well, I find your "Fu Manchu" argument plausible, but i think we need references, or something where they turned up. I don't remember Yertigar in West coast avengers, and wasn't Copperhead originally a DD foe?
Different Copperhead
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/copperhf.htm
Yetrigar in West Coast Avengers
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/94949295440.32.GIF
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/yetrigargod.htm
What, you think I made all these up myself?
"The pilots from Shogun Warriors have turned up in FF and (as you note) in Avengers since their own series ended."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/30929984076.226.GIF
The "three unexpected guest stars" mentioned on the cover are the Shogun pilots.
"The riders from Team America turned up in The Thing, having taken on a new name."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/87322062574.27.GIF
The Thunderiders mentioned on the cover are the old Team America, hence the "back for the first time". And the Marauder on the Thing cover is this guy
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/86149682136.11.GIF
"The Micronauts became the Microns, quietly misplacing the members named after Micronaut toys, and faced Baron Karza substitute Baron Sebek."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/03020762776.11.GIF
"Ulysses Soloman Archer ditched his truck US1 (based on a toy) and went into space in She-Hulk."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/73746012988.6.GIF
The truckers mentioned as hijacking the rocket as Ulysses Archer and Razorback.
"Rom turned up in human form at Rick Jones' wedding, the New Warriors battled a Dire Wraith, Hybrid fought X-Men and ended up as part of the Collective, and new Spaceknights fought Annihilation and got controlled by the Phalanx."
Rom at Rick's wedding - http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/01/06/365-reasons-to-love-comics-6/
mentioned 7 paragraphs below the image.
Hybrid vs. X-Man
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97773051948.31.GIF
"Shang-Chi's dad has switched to new aliases, so no one calls him Fu Manchu anymore."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/11028608854.11.GIF
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/73616124051.6.P1.GIF
"Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men."
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97792366288.190.GIF
"Abdul Alhazred stopped fighting Tarzan, and took on Wolverine instead."
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/alhazred.htm
Nevets F
12-17-2008, 08:00 AM
Loki is a knowledge base for information, and one of the handbooks head writers. He knows what he's talking about.
They aren't the only ones:
http://www.tohokingdom.com/comics/cret/godzilla_marvel.htm#mut
Although Godzilla is never stated by name, of course. But he does also later appear in a issue of the Thing in that form before vanishing forever.
He did sort of make a quiet little cameo in Might Avengers 1.
ComiXFanBoy
12-17-2008, 08:25 AM
Like I said, it is all still canon, they just can't show the licensed bits anymore.
The pilots from Shogun Warriors have turned up in FF and (as you note) in Avengers since their own series ended.
The riders from Team America turned up in The Thing, having taken on a new name.
The Micronauts became the Microns, quietly misplacing the members named after Micronaut toys, and faced Baron Karza substitute Baron Sebek.
Dr. Demonicus and Yetrigar both jumped ship from Godzilla to go to Avengers West Coast.
Ulysses Soloman Archer ditched his truck US1 (based on a toy) and went into space in She-Hulk.
Rom turned up in human form at Rick Jones' wedding, the New Warriors battled a Dire Wraith, Hybrid fought X-Men and ended up as part of the Collective, and new Spaceknights fought Annihilation and got controlled by the Phalanx.
Shang-Chi's dad has switched to new aliases, so no one calls him Fu Manchu anymore.
Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men.
Abdul Alhazred stopped fighting Tarzan, and took on Wolverine instead.
Copperhead switched from being the Human Fly's opponent to being White Tiger's.
whoa whoa. you mean tarzan, US1 and team america were all licenses and existed in 616 MU? i thought US1, human fly and team america were created by marvel. thanks for the info
Sean Walsh
12-17-2008, 08:39 AM
Kulan Gath (foe of Red Sonja and Conan) was reborn in the modern day to fight the X-Men.
Kulan Gath is an interesting one. He was introduced in the Marvel CONAN series, has been used in Marvel books like UNCANNY X-MEN and (more recently) EXILES, but has also been used in Dynamite's RED SONJA comic. And I think he was in the foe of last year's SPIDEY/RED SONJA miniseries.
I'm guessing Marvel leased him to Dynamite, or does the Conan world still hold some right to him?
Whitster
12-17-2008, 09:13 AM
I'm guessing Marvel leased him to Dynamite, or does the Conan world still hold some right to him?
Marvel and Dynamite do seem quite chummy. Doe's anyone know why Dynamite are credited on the Avengers/Invaders covers?
whoa whoa. you mean tarzan, US1 and team america were all licenses and existed in 616 MU? i thought US1, human fly and team america were created by marvel. thanks for the info
Yes. Turns out the licensed Tarzan comicn was in 616, though it is very rarely acknowledged. US1, Human Fly and Team America are all licensed properties too - US1 was based on a toy line (this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqsqH5axHk - compare the logo http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/90634471884.1.GIF), but the only bit of the comic that wasn't Marvel's was the logo / name and the truck.
Human Fly was based on a real life stuntman Rick Rojatt (hence the comic's byline "The Wildest Super-Hero Ever — Because He's Real!")
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2008/02/21/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-143/
And Team America were more toys.
http://www.ilovethe80s.com/toys_toys_teamamerica.htm
But again, the characters were Marvel's, so they simply changed the bikes and the group's name when the license ran out.
The one that wasn't licensed or based on a toyline, despite what people often think, was Crystar. That's 100% Marvel's - the toys were based on the comic, not the other way around.
Sean Walsh
12-17-2008, 09:45 AM
Marvel and Dynamite do seem quite chummy. Doe's anyone know why Dynamite are credited on the Avengers/Invaders covers?
There's some shared publishing situation with that miniseries, I think. Marvel.com says that the series is "packaged by Dynamite Entertainment."
Also, Alex Ross, Jim Krueger and Steve Sadowski are the creators of Dynamite's PROJECT SUPERPOWERS and AVENGERS/INVADERS. So maybe there's some contractual stuff at play there too...
ChrisIII
12-17-2008, 10:11 AM
Didn't the Dinobots come from the Savage Land in the old Marvel series?
Didn't the Dinobots come from the Savage Land in the old Marvel series?
Originally at least, yes they did.
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