TITANS are OUTSELLING TEEN titans

[COMIC GEEK]

saw this on the bloc and while the title might not be the best it should be the #'s show that indedd fans of this title are sticking with it.

I also think with the killing of conner and bart fans dropped the teen titans title. I stayed on for a bit, but when sean became writer I felt the book sucked and I dropped it.

NOW I'M BACK reading TITANS once again

Titans is selling better than Teen Titans

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http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/b...-october-2008/

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56 - TITANS

10/2001: Titans #34 — 28,075*

10/2002: Titans #46 — 21,662*

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11/2007: TTE Special #1 — 49,735

12/2007: –

01/2008: –

02/2008: –

03/2008: –

04/2008: Titans #1 — 75,584 (+52.0%)

05/2008: Titans #2 — 57,358 (-24.1%)

06/2008: Titans #3 — 54,512 (- 5.0%)

07/2008: –

08/2008: –

09/2008: Titans #4 — 51,755 (- 5.1%)

09/2008: Titans #5 — 49,959 (- 3.5%)

10/2008: Titans #6 — 45,453 (- 9.0%)

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6 months: -39.9%

68 - TEEN TITANS

10/2003: Teen Titans #4 — 69,082 [71,828]

10/2004: Teen Titans #17 — 63,154 [67,926]

10/2005: Teen Titans #28 — 66,581

10/2006: –

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10/2007: Teen Titans #52 — 55,176 (- 4.6%)

11/2007: Teen Titans #53 — 54,387 (- 1.4%)

12/2007: Teen Titans #54 — 53,790 (- 1.1%)

01/2008: Teen Titans #55 — 52,376 (- 2.6%)

02/2008: Teen Titans #56 — 50,283 (- 4.0%)

03/2008: Teen Titans #57 — 49,109 (- 2.3%)

04/2008: Teen Titans #58 — 47,357 (- 3.6%)

05/2008: Teen Titans #59 — 46,306 (- 2.2%)

06/2008: Teen Titans #60 — 45,036 (- 2.7%)

07/2008: Teen Titans #61 — 44,666 (- 0.8%)

08/2008: Teen Titans #62 — 43,258 (- 3.2%)

09/2008: Teen Titans #63 — 41,790 (- 3.4%)

10/2008: Teen Titans #64 — 39,695 (- 5.0%)

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6 months: -16.2%

1 year : -28.1%

2 years : n.a.

5 years : -42.5%,

[Lester C.]

Fans are not sticking with Teen Titans. The book has shed more than half its audience since One Year Later.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Both books are failing fast. Horrible stories , bad creative team decsions ...DC will single handedly ruin the Titans franchise that Geoff Johns built.

Titans has lost 30,000 in sales estimates , Teen Titans has dropped 16,000. DC had better get some order restored. Both books are dying quick. Thats admitting Judd Winick is not delivering a good book and whoever the loser is on Teen Titans...he's not either.

[DeadXMan]

no fan faves
(conner and Bart, BB, raven and cyborg)
the roatating door that is the roster leaves no time for people to get to connect
and some really bad stories have made people drop the book

[Chemical King]

I also left the Teen Titans book somewehen during one year later. i really could not make myself care for characters like Kid Devil and the umteenth child of Deathstroke.

This franchize is going down the drain for years, but for me, that's nothing new. My personal turning point in Titans franchize is the wrecked wedding of Nightwing and Starfire in New Titans #100. The book was not at its best before already, but it was utter crap afterwards. They did some good with the Teen Titans run from Dan Jurgens, but fans never gave it a chance due to all those new characters.

The Titans books afterwards by Simone, Johns, you name em were sometimes fun, but never up to the standards set before. But they at least survived due to some interesting characters who you still cared for as a fan. Now the Teen Titans book is like a band of third-stringers shoved down the fans' throats, with stories too neglectable to even remember. They are not even enough to get angry about, they are just there, and so people keep on quitting.

The new Titans book might be selling better right now - but that's probably only due to hope and nostalgia. Hope that the francize somehow might mahe a turn for the better, nostalgia to see the beloved Wolfman/Perez characters back again. Unfortunately, the way those characters are behaving - Starfire staying though being dumped (again) by Nightwing and so on - does not really seem very realistic, nor true to the characters. So people will be quitting as well. They already are doing it according to the sales.

And the inconsistent, sloppy artwork is doing its part, I mean - Lopez, Benitez and Porter certainly aren't exactly dishing out eye candy here, are they...?

[Zero Hunter]

I stuck with Teen Titans until just after Geoff left. The book just took such a sharp dive in quality after McKeever took over it was not even funny. I usally love minor league characters and was enjoying most of them under Geoff, but they just became so unlikable once McKeever got his hands on them I just could not read it anymore.

[KJ_81]

I dropped Teen Titans when Johns left.

Was a difficult decision at the time, but it turned out to be the right one.

As for Titans: I wanted to like it. I wanted to stick with it long-term. However, Titans #2 holds the distinction of being the first comic I've NOT been able to completely finish, due to the awfulness of the art.

Dropped, and it would take a LOT to convince me to try another issue. Certainly I don't feel that the current DC is the right DC for a Titans book I'd enjoy.

[the4thpip]

Percentage wise, Titans lost almost twice as many readers as Teen Titans last month. At this rate, the title won't keep its lead long, and both books seem to be in serious trouble.

If the inclusion of Static doesn't turn around the trend for TT, I think we'll be in for a new creative team, a relaunch or a cancellation.

I am baffled that they would introduce a successful cartoon character like Static into the mainline DCU in a book that they had to know barely anybody would read.

[COMIC GEEK]

Percentage wise, Titans lost almost twice as many readers as Teen Titans last month. At this rate, the title won't keep its lead long, and both books seem to be in serious trouble.

If the inclusion of Static doesn't turn around the trend for TT, I think we'll be in for a new creative team, a relaunch or a cancellation.

I am baffled that they would introduce a successful cartoon character like Static into the mainline DCU in a book that they had to know barely anybody would read.


normally a first issue does have a huge % in sales compared to another issue. for some reason us fans still think buying the very first issue, is gonna be worth something someday

[celticguy]

Percentage wise, Titans lost almost twice as many readers as Teen Titans last month. At this rate, the title won't keep its lead long, and both books seem to be in serious trouble.

If the inclusion of Static doesn't turn around the trend for TT, I think we'll be in for a new creative team, a relaunch or a cancellation.

I am baffled that they would introduce a successful cartoon character like Static into the mainline DCU in a book that they had to know barely anybody would read.

That cartoon is from what 5 years or so ago. He is just a property sitting on the shelf, maybe nostalgia will just start interest.

[the4thpip]

normally a first issue does have a huge % in sales compared to another issue. for some reason us fans still think buying the very first issue, is gonna be worth something someday

No offense, but I don't see what that has to do with my post.

Titans 6 sold 9% less than Titans 5. That is a very unhealthy drop.

[COMIC GEEK]

No offense, but I don't see what that has to do with my post.

Titans 6 sold 9% less than Titans 5. That is a very unhealthy drop.

no offense taken considering I made a boo boo on who I quoted

[Doc Goblin]

Destroying Superboy and Kid Flash was definitely a stupid move on DC's part. They were half of the Teen Titans core and arguably the two most "teenage" behaving characters in TEEN Titans. But I still think Johns recovered as well as he could. Kid Devil, Ravager and Miss Martian were fun new characters to have around in their own ways.

The problem is McKeever and Didio came along and seem like they're in a rush to dismantle everything that was good about the book. Let's get rid of Wonder Girl's Ares connection and just make her generically self-powered. Let's have one of the Wonder Twins eaten. Let's have Kid Devil suddenly grow up a little to be Red Devil complete with an ugly costume. Let's turn fun, lovable Miss Martian all angsty and then get rid of her. Let's get rid of Ravager too and put her with a less interesting version of Titans East. No wonder sales are falling.

I've skimmed Titans a few times and I am usually a Winick fan. But I'm just not interested. The team seems pointless to me and I don't have any nostalgia for the old team.

[$5 Milkshake]

Yeah, I have nothing new to say, I just want to add that I agree entirely with the posters here. Its a damn shame what's happened to the Teen Titans franchise.

[Chitty]

I've never understood people who justify their liking of a book with sales figures. It's just weird. If you like it great, if not, ok.

[the4thpip]

I thought this thread was more "the franchise can't support more than one book, and the one I like is doing better, ha ha."

[AdamYJ]

I actually like Titans a little better anyway. Teen Titans is just so darn angsty. I mean, I was never a big fan of the Titans franchise in general anyway (except maybe the '60s Titans. I so dig those groovy cats :biggrin: ). However, I am reading Titans even though it's not the top of my list, but I'm not reading Teen Titans because I couldn't stand reading them as they mope their lives away.

[booziehand]

I still may pick up a future copy to see whats going on with the inclusion of Static. I was never one to judge a book on sales I figure see where they are going with this and if its not going anywhere no harm other than having a few books in my collection I'll won't read again

[americocaine]

I think they're realigning the lineup in Teen Titans. So much shuffling in JL and related books these days. Really annoying.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I thought this thread was more "the franchise can't support more than one book, and the one I like is doing better, ha ha."

If that was the case I hate to be the one who says....both books are failing....and the rate Winick is going he'll pray for sales at issue #66 being 30,000.

[Calybos]

I thought Teen Titans was doing very well with the One Year Later cast: Superboy, Kid Flash, Robin, Wonder Girl, and newcomers Kid Devil, Ravager, Miss Martian. It looked good and had a good feel to the team.

But then it kinda fell apart. And when the "Titans" title started with the classic characters (now grown up), I switched in a heartbeat. That one's been disappointing as well, story-wise, even with the top-notch roster.

So yeah, the Titans books are in trouble, from my perspective. And apparently from a sales perspective too. I'm not sure what would turn things around.

[jv2k]

I read Titans 2 and have avoided the book like the plague since.

[DavidAllred]

I also left the Teen Titans book somewehen during one year later. i really could not make myself care for characters like Kid Devil and the umteenth child of Deathstroke.

Same. I bought the first OYL issue dropped it quietly. I didn't hate the book, but I loved it before the change... and really loved it before Connor died.

[WorstThingUS]

I remain pissed Young Justice was sacrificed for Teen Titans.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

I remain pissed Young Justice was sacrificed for Teen Titans.

Seconded.

DC has been screwing the pooch since Graduation Day when it comes to the younger heroes.

[AdamYJ]

I remain pissed Young Justice was sacrificed for Teen Titans.

Yeah. I know it wasn't a top-selling book. I know many comic fans thought it was a joke. I know it's been gone for ages.

But darn if that wasn't a fun book to read.