The Next Batman Film

[kalel219]

Apparently no one has a clear idea on where to take the storyline with a third film, so what are your ideas on it? I shall post mine soon...working out the ending...tho the riddler is the villain in my version of it.

[kalel219]

Ok, some ideas i have are:

*takes place a few months after The Dark Knight*

Most of the people in gotham now fear/hate Batman, after his "killing" of Two Face.

The Riddler doesn't go by the name The Riddler, and over the course of the
movie, the riddle of Who is batman drives him insane.

Batman falls into a trap set by the police who are uncover as crimals to lure Batman out.

Riddler will go by the name of Edward Nashton (Which has been used in promotion for The Dark Knight)

The batpod has been upgraded since the batmoblie is still destroyed. It can now fire grappling hooks which allows it to drive up walls. Batman will use this to escape from a cop road assult team.

Gordon is arrested for giving Batman info on riddler.

The Riddler will track down Coleman Reese and demand to know who batman is. Coleman remembers Bruce saved his life, and doesn't tell him so riddler starts to bash him around.
Riddler kills Coleman by accident. This causes him to have a mental breakdown. He raids Coleman's house and finds the blueprints of the batmoblie....with Wayne Enterprises marked on them.

Riddler breaks into Wayne Enterprises and kidnaps Lucius Fox, leaving a riddle for batman.

Thats all so far.
I'm not a huge fan of riddler so if my portaytal is bad, feel free to tell me. I just wanted to try something a little different with him.

[bookguy]

Batman has unprotected sex with Catwoman and gets infected with genital herpes. He also accidentally kills the Joker and drops the Penguin down an elevator shaft (Penguins can't fly, you see). Then he riddles the Riddler with taser gun and performs crippling back surgery without anaesthesia on the Riddler, permamently leaving him paralyzed for life.

No Robin, I'm afraid.

All kidding aside.

I'm sure that Nolan will do a bang-up job that will hopefully surpass the first two films (though that might take some doing after The Dark Knight).

[HulkSmash666]

"The Breaking of The Bat"

The League of Shadows returns to Gotham, with the REAL Ra's al Ghul, his daughter Talia, and their secret weapon......BANE!!

Bane is the most feared criminal in Santa Prisca, and Ra's has sought him out to eliminate Batman.

Having taught himself everything there is to know about fighting and killing, plus being incredibly intelligent and resourceful, Bane is the ultimate foe for Batman. Ra's secures his release in exchange for his services (much like Ducard did for Bruce Wayne in the first movie).

With Batman being hunted by the cops in Gotham, it's extremelly risky for him to go out and fight crime, so it takes something big to draw him out in the open.

Bane unleashes the criminals and psycho's from Arkham in a bid to flush out the Bat. Between avoiding the relentless pursuit of the cops and the seemingly endless crime wave comitted by the escaped inmates, Batman is starting to reach his limits, becoming exhausted and desperate.

Bane tracks Batman from a distance and watches his progress closely, waiting for the right time to strike Batman himself. That moment comes after Bats has an epic battle with the last of the inmates and an entire sqaud of cops and SWAT teams.

Following Batman all the way to one of his Bat-caves, Bane infiltrates the cave and brutally attacks Alfred, and then finally confronts the exhausted Batman. It's not so much a fight, as it is a brutal beating the likes of which Batman has never recieved. It all culminates in one of the most infamous events in the history of comics....Bane breaking Batman's back.

With Batman broken, Bane has opened the way for Ra's and the League of Shadows to take over the Gotham Underworld and begin a reign of chaos and death the likes of which Gotham has never seen.

The G.C.P.D is suddenly at the mercy of the armies of criminals running rampant through Gotham, as Gordon and his men seem helpless to stop it. Assassinations and hostile takeovers are rife, as public officials and major players in Gotham are hunted down by the League of Shadows, including an attempt on Gordon himself.

It's at this time that Gotham is pleading for the return of it's hero, as the citizens, and even the police scream "Where is Batman?!!"

Meanwhile, Batman is under going intensive, ground breaking surgery (from Thomas Elliot) in repairing the damage to his spine. Months roll off the calender, as Bruce watches his city fall apart. Lucius Fox has enlisted the aid of one person who can bring Bruce back to his physical fighting best.....

Lady Shiva!!

More time passes as Shiva retrains Batman in everything he's lost since he's been out of action, plus some extra styles and skills to help in his return to reclaim his city.

In this time, Ra's and Talia go about legitimising the hold on Gotham by taking over the big corporations, such as Wayne Enterpirses. This puts Fox on the hitlist.

Ra's sends his finest assassins after Fox at Wayne Tower, and after killing all the security personel, they head through the building looking for Fox, who's holed up in a secure room, monitoring the attack. Utilising the buildings security systems, he tries to hold them off while buying himself time for the cops to arrive to save him. As the assassins close in, the cops get there too late to do anything, as the killers enter the floor Fox is on.

A tense wait ensues as Fox tries to hide from his assassins, and just as all seems hopeless and Fox is poised to die, the skylight explodes, and the killers look up in surprise.

The Bat has returned!!

Cue awesome arse kicking and badassery as Batman goes to town on the ninjas, systematically demolishing them in a storm of killer new martial arts moves and a hail of batarangs.

Fox is more than happy to see his friend and employer back in action, but the reunion will have to wait, as Batman has a city to reclaim.

Next stop, GCPD headquarters. The Bat-signal is turned on for the first time in months. Gotham's Dark Knight has returned. A brief how do you do to Gordon and Bats is off, knowing exactly who he's after and where he's got to strike (months of rehab gives you plenty of time to prep, you see, and this has been a long time coming).

Here we see Batman unleash everything he's got on the streets of Gotham in order to bring down all the inmates that have escaped and whittle down Ra's forces.

A new tumbler, Bat-pod and an all new vehicle, the stealth helicopter, come into play, as a montage of awesomness explodes around Gotham as dozens of criminals are taken down in rapid fire sucession.

As Ra's and Talia look to the sky and see the Bat-signal, Ra's calls all hands on deck, and gathers his forces to his headquarters (a skyscraper that rivals Waybe Tower).

What follows is a epic battle as Batman brings all his toys and gadgets to bear. It's one man vs an army of ninja assassins, but this time, Batman is prepared, and they don't stand a chance. With the new training under Shiva, Batman is simply a league above any of them, and with a full arsenal at his disposal, he's unstoppable.

As Batman finishes up with the League, he comes face to face with Ra's himself. But Ra's has one more ace up his sleeve....

....Enter Bane! The rematch!!

The fight is long and brutal, but this time, Batman isn't weak and tired. He's ready and prepared for the monster that broke his back. And after an epic battle, Batman defeats Bane using stealth and skill and knocking him down an elevator shaft, with Bane landing heavily on the elevator, KOing him (maybe even breaking his back in the fall).

Next is Ra's, who, with drawn sword, is ready to fight to the death. Batman, exhausted by this stage, and on his last legs after his fight with Bane and the entire battle in general, gives it one last go at finishing this once and for all, grabs a sword from the wall.

The two engage, and quickly it becomes apparent that Ra;s is far better than Batman with a sword, and slashes Batman across the back, taunting Bats about his spinal injury. Batman fires off a couple of Batarangs and escapes into the shadows of the darkened room. Ra's keeps up his verbal tirade, as Batman circles his foe.

In a blinding flash, Batman unleashes a flashbang, stunning Ra's long enugh for Batman to tackle him out the window. The two fall out of the skyscraper, tumbling in together in a violent embrace, until Bats fires off his grappling hook, catching them both in mid-fall. With Batman holding onto Ra's' wrist, Ra's refuses to be saved and insists that he's immortal, and will always return to haunt the Detective. With his free hand still clutching his sword, Ra's cuts his own hand off, falling to his death hundreds of feet below rather than be brought in as a prisoner of the Dark Knight.

The movie wraps up with Gordon and Batman atop the GCPD building, with Gordon welcoming Batman back as the city's guardian, and the people feel safe once more as all traces of Ra's orginisation are taken down by the GCPD in the mopping up period.

The final scene is of Blackgate prison, in the hospital wing. Laying in traction is Bane, silently looking out the window at the night sky, seeing the Bat-signal pierce the dark sky.
Another inmate in the opposite bed asks him "Hey man, are you the one? Is it really you? Are you the one that broke the Bat?"

As Bane looks on silently out the window, the camera tracks out over Gotham Harbour, into Gotham over it's skyscrapers and settling on Wayne Tower, as the iconic shot of Batman over looking the city as his cape blows in the wind.

THE END!!

[Bradley]

I don't really care much about the plot, but I want Batman to fight King Tut and False-Face, before being captured and put in some type of elaborate death trap that threatens to cook him into an omelet. At that point, the Caped Crusader realizes who the villainous mastermind has been all along, explaining to the audience-- "Such a diabolical scheme could only be 'hatched' by my deadliest foe, Egghead!" And then they fight.

Along the way, if we could get some batclimb cameos from people like Snoop Dogg, Janet Reno, Susan Lucci, and David Geffen, that would be awesome.

[Lew Moxon]

I like "The Breaking of the Bat" idea, though I would want Bane to have a different look on film. I don't want him to look too cartoony, which means he won't be quite as big as in the comics.

I pick Javier Bardeme for the part.

Bane by himself is enough I think, without the ra;s al ghul plotline.

[JumpingJupiter]

Something involving Batman having to go to Arkham and face his demons.

[the goddamn batman]

The batpod has been upgraded since the batmoblie is still destroyed. It can now fire grappling hooks which allows it to drive up walls. Batman will use this to escape from a cop road assult team.

No. No driving up walls.

The Riddler will track down Coleman Reese and demand to know who batman is. Coleman remembers Bruce saved his life, and doesn't tell him so riddler starts to bash him around.

Riddler kills him because Reese doesn't tell him something? How would Riddler know?

Riddler kills Coleman by accident. This causes him to have a mental breakdown. He raids Coleman's house and finds the blueprints of the batmoblie....with Wayne Enterprises marked on them.

Reese gave the blueprints back to Fox in TDK.

[4thHorseman]

If you're actually continuing the story, I expect the police to be failing miserably to catch the Batman and decide to call in hired help.

Enter: Deadshot and/or Deathstroke.

Image one (or two) of the worlds best assassins going after the Dark Knight. If both of them are in it, perhaps they both compete and go against each other as well, not only Batman.

[Jkid099]

Hmmm, won't go into too many details as I'm not that creative ... but in keeping with the realistic tone, I'd say ...

The GCPD continues to "try" and apprehend Batman, but continued failure (perhaps encouraged by a reluctant Commissioner Gordon) and harsh publicity combined with the seriousness of the Batman's continued ignorance of the law (and accused murder rap) force the Governor of whatever state Gotham is in to call in the FBI. A member of this crafty FBI task force is one Edward Nigma, an "out of the box" thinker who deftly surmises that Batman could be no other than Bruce Wayne.

Batman being Batman, he finds a way to dodge the accusation, and pulls off some clever method of blowing up the FBI's case against him. The public relations debacle following the FBI's failed case against Gotham's favorite son decimates the career of Mr. Nigma, slowly driving him a bit crazy as he is convinced Batman is Wayne but has no way of convincing the public ... eventually driving him to some violent and dramatic methods of proving it.

Perhaps toss in Talia Al Ghul in a sort of "full circle" fashion as a villain behind the scenes, now in charge of the League of Shadows, out for revenge against the man responsible for her father's death. Subtly encouraging the FBI's case against Wayne while pursuing her own unethical avenues of destroying him.

For some romantic tension, introduce Catwoman as a "cat" burglar inspired by Batman's "legend" but out to have a thrill. Get her somehow embroiled in the whole mess (perhaps as someone Batman is pursuing to bring to justice, but ends put pursuing him as she's intrigued by the thrill of it).

[n2doop5u]

If you're actually continuing the story, I expect the police to be failing miserably to catch the Batman and decide to call in hired help.

Enter: Deadshot and/or Deathstroke.

Image one (or two) of the worlds best assassins going after the Dark Knight. If both of them are in it, perhaps they both compete and go against each other as well, not only Batman.

Thus pinning the story back onto the villains? I think not. This needs to be, through and through, Batman's story.

Breaking of the Bat is good and I agree, get Ras out of there. He's unecessary. However, you can do another "rise of a new villain" thing, if they wanted to. Maybe Edward Nigma, another inmate at arkham, is directly effected by Joker's internment at Arkham, thus creating the riddler. ONLY if they want some type of cliffhanger, if not, then don't bother putting the Riddler in at all.

However, I do think there needs to be another main villain, with Bain. Someone like the Penguin, who is now getting away with murder (literally) as a crime boss because the cops are intervening with Batman's attack on Cobblepot. Cobblepot ends up bringing in Bain because Batman is such a nuisance. However, Penguins character flaw is he's too big for his britches so bringing in Bain actually backfires because he ends up creating this mythical Batman return, thus giving him the credit that Batman deserves as a hero of Gotham.

Here I am, at the beginning of the post, saying how i dont want to pin the story on the villains and then i go explaining a whole villain sub plot.... however, I don't think it has to be much more then I explained. Most of the story would be on Batman trying to pin Penguin with the cops interfering.

[Maxwell Edison]

I have a feeling the Riddler and Catwoman will be in it

[kalel219]

No. No driving up walls.
"Driving" was the wrong to put it. I'm thinking he can scale the walls, like in TDK when the bike goes up the wall a little, so it can turn around. I'm thiking it can do that again, but shoot the hooks up so it can scale the wall.


Riddler kills him because Reese doesn't tell him something? How would Riddler know?

How does Riddler know reese knows something? Maybe cause in TDK Reese was all over TV saying he did, plus Riddler is abit crazy at this point.


Reese gave the blueprints back to Fox in TDK.

"Driving" was the wrong to put it. I'm thinking he can scale the walls, like in TDK when the bike goes up the wall a little, so it can turn around. I'm thiking it can do that again, but shoot the hooks up so it can scale the wall.

How does Riddler know reese knows something? Maybe cause in TDK Reese was all over TV saying he did, plus Riddler is abit crazy at this point.

I Didn't know he gave them back. My Mistake

[Lew Moxon]

My idea for the Riddler is this.

The Riddler is a creation of the a special FBI operation designed to capture the Batman.

The operation is designed and run by Edward Nashton.

The idea is to leave clues as to where the next robbery will occur, so that the FBI and elements of the Police Department, will know exactly where Batman will be at a paticular time and date, making capture that much easier.

The robbries will appear like ordinary crimes to the general public, Nashton will either run this operation from the shadows, or masquerade as "The Riddler" or "Edward Nigma"

The Riddler will have the full backing of the government, but to the public, yet another freak has arrived.

[kalel219]

^ I really really like that idea. I really want to see the cops hunting down Batman.

[Slortex]

A year or two after TDK. Criminals like Penguin, Killer Croc, Black Mask, etc. are shown to have occupied the vacuum in the underworld left in the wake of Harvey Dent's prosecutions from TDK and Joker's incarceration in Arkham. Catwoman is a jewel thief in the employ of one of the Penguin, stealing valuables, but appears to be growing increasingly disinterested in Penguin's ambitions.

Meanwhile, Batman is hunted by the police. This does not prevent Batman from continuing his war against the new groups that have taken the place of the mob. Knowing that Batman will not stop short of lethal force makes him a more dangerous foe in the eyes of the new criminals, and has reinstilled the fear that he had lost partway through TDK.

Commissioner Gordon is doing his best to aid Batman by redirecting police resources towards the criminal element, but pressure from the Mayor's office demands a task force dedicated to the apprehension of the Batman, headed by Edward Nashton, a criminal psychologist shown to have questionable ethics. Moreover, the DA is no longer able to prosecute effectively criminals caught by Batman; most must be returned to the streets. This leads Batman to take a more aggresive approach, focusing on crippling their operations (often with explosive results) rather than simply dispatching their forces.

Bruce Wayne is becoming increasingly reclusive. He no longer frequents Wayne Enterprises, and his communications with Lucius Fox are limited. When he does speak with Lucius, it is via phone call as Batman, giving him instructions as to what he needs and not taking any of his input. Lucius and Alfred are shown to encourage him to have more of a presence at his company, but to no avail. Even more, Bruce Wayne has withdrawn from the socialite life, raising questions about what has become of the enigmatic billionaire. Alfred is extremely distraught at Bruce's behavior and is running out of excuses to give to Wayne's many callers.

That's the set up, I think. Not sure where exactly I'd go with it, but my basic idea is that Catwoman brings Bruce back from the edge. This would coincide with Nashton deducing who Batman must be, but with Selina's influence, Bruce is back as a socialite and is able to quash any accusations from Nashton. With egg on his face from a failed accusation of the most influential Gothamite, Nashton is dismissed from the task force. Infuriated, he dons the persona of the Riddler and seeks to reveal Batman to the public. He goes to the underworld and tries to convince the rogues to help him, but they just want Batman dead.

Not sure where to go from there, but the stage seems to be set for a Riddler/Batman confrontation, with the other rogues, Catwoman, and Gordon and the GCPD all playing significant roles.

[Testament_X]

Here is my take on a brief plotline for the 3rd movie:

Villains: Riddler, Toyman, Catwoman.

The Riddler is a technologically savy detective-for-hire who is extremely ego-maniacal and uses the internet to gain a cult-like following. His right hand man is Toyman, an inventor of sorts using his small camera equipped machines to give the Riddler "eyes" to the city. The Riddler is seen as a vigilante until he shows his corruption as he succeeds in his plan to gain control over gotham. His exploits go from under the radar to an obvious threat in the film, as Catwoman's role changes from complete evil to neutral.

The riddler uses tech-based terrorism, txt messaging e-mail riddles and using peoples minds against them to lead them to their deaths or to play a part in his scheme. Riddles in which the answer would lead the person to think they must murder,steal,burn, etc... and the next "'clue" would be sent to their phones. Toymans machines would be equipped with explosives and many times the Riddler's agents of death as well as his eyes. More reason for the cult followers to regard him as a god when they see someone seemingly explode out of nowhere. Riddler considers himself of godlike intelligence and ultimately this is the source of this version of the character's insanity.

Somehow Catwoman's role needs to be tied into this. The Mad Hatter could be an alternate henchman to the Riddler rather than Toyman, with mind control and subliminal messaging to give Riddler the pawns to his game.

[Black Vespa]

if this is it...count me out. never liked the bane storyline

"The Breaking of The Bat"

[Sidepocket]

Here is something I wrote before it got out that Dent was dead. Get a cup of coffee and relax, this is a long one....

http://www.jordanwhite.net/Legend%20of%20the%20Bat.htm

[nixon]

Batman's getting hammered by the cops night after night, so Bruce starts to go undercover, infiltrates the mob as Matches Malone, another way of fighting crime. This disguise idea ties in with TDK - Gordon's faked death, Dent claiming to be Batman, Joker's own bag of tricks etc.

The mob is facing off the rising freaks while taking over the city again, linking back to Begins. The drama of the plot is Bruce/Matches being tested morally, finding himself forced perhaps to take side with the freaks, attracted by their madness, a lesser evil. This attraction could be embodied in a Catwoman-type character, or a charismatic rationalist like the Riddler/Jeremiah Arkham/Dr Strange.

Wayne Enterprises meanwhile could be under economic threat, perhaps from an amoral Black Mask/Max Shreck type business guy, who maybe wants to buy it out, test out its weapons and technology division.

This time round Batman isn't safe as no-one he faces thinks like the Joker - he's either battling cops, mobsters or freaks who just want him dead, all driven by money and revenge. He doesn't "complete" any of them.

And Gordon meanwhile is forced to uncover Batman's true identity, but his list of suspects is being whittled down by the mob-hired Deadshot (Long Halloween-esque maybe), who's been trying to kill Batman in action with no luck, with ever-growing respect for the Bat.

[HopeLantern]

Maybe I can have a creative idea for you all later, but I'd like to see it be the Riddler (the idea above about him being a gov't operative is good!!!) and the Penguin, but as a gangster / godfather type who is trying to unite all the gangs of Gotham into doing organized crime. So Batman would have to fight the cops of Gotham, and simultaneously try to bring down Penguin's rising criminal empire. The streets are getting worse and worse, but every time Batman gets close to shutting down the Penguin, the Cops and the Riddler are fastly closing in. That's all I have now, ha ha...

[mgs]

I think the biggest problem for the next film is that it's going to have to try and figure out a way to deal with/address the whole thing with the Joker (in story) without Ledger being around to do any more acting.

To simply try and cut away to more and 'bigger' criminals will possibly seem odd, disjointed and insincere considering the success of this past movie and who was in it

[n2doop5u]

I think the biggest problem for the next film is that it's going to have to try and figure out a way to deal with/address the whole thing with the Joker (in story) without Ledger being around to do any more acting.

To simply try and cut away to more and 'bigger' criminals will possibly seem odd, disjointed and insincere considering the success of this past movie and who was in it

If he write Joker in the script, he will recast the part. If he doesn't write the joker in the script, I doubt that will be because Ledger's dead and more because he simply doesn't think it will add to the story.

Rachel Dawes was a small part and could have easily been cut out of the movie and replaced with another character without doing much damage to the story. However, Nolan chose to recast her instead because he had a story with that character in mind and didn't want to compromise his "artistic integrity." If he had been planning to or is now thinking of having the Joker in the script, he will do it and just recast him. I don't think Nolan has an issue with recasting and as a person who's seen 3 different Kitty Pryde's without giving a damn, I'm fine with recasting.

Though I'm sure other people would disagree.

[Lew Moxon]

We seen two movies in this franchise in which Bruce more or less has to save the entire city.

How about a movie where he has to save himself?

IE, a more personal attack.

Lucius Fox gets killed.

Alfred kidnapped.

Wayne's family and friends assaulted one by one with a singular objective.

To force him into retirement.


If he would not stop because the Joker killed people since he would not take off his mask, perhaps a series of well cordinated attacks against Bruce Wayne could force him into retirement.

My idea combined with my Riddler idea is rather simple.


Dr. Hugo Strange has been brought in to create a profile on the city's most wanted criminal.

So far no one in Gotham matches that profile. Remember, Wayne's persona is a mask, so naturally he doesn't fit the description.

Meanwhile, as the Riddler crimes mount, suspicion falls on the head of Coleman Reese.

Reese isn't the Riddler, but a lot of people think he is, enough for our old friend and his to give him a visit.

Reese convinces him that He is not the man behind the crimes, but this encounter combined with the suspicion that surrounds him, leads him into a near nervous breakdown, causing him to visit Dr. Hugo Strange.

Strange, knowing Reese knows who Batman is, tries to coax it out of him, but more or less fails, the only information he gets is that Reese "worked for him"

Strange makes the leap that it's Bruce Wayne. They have no evidence to prove it. But they have no other suspects, still, they can't arrest Bruce, so along with \ Nashton Strange concocts a plan.

If the Batman cannot be put in prison, he will be forced to abadon his crimes. Nashton and Strange are utterly ruthlous, cold and calculating.

As the plan progresses, both men grow increasingly mad, perhaps because of lingering mental illnesses, or perhaps they fear they are targeting an innocent man on a whim.

Nashton, who had invented the Riddler persona, takes to leaving more complex riddles as a kind of confession to the Bat about what is really going on.

Strange becomes obessed with forcing Batman to retire, not for the city, but so that he can become the Bat himself.

Oh and Selina Kyle or Talia would probably have to be in there somehow.

My idea of a Cast list.

Bruce Wayne: Bale
Alfred: Caine
Fox: Freeman
Strange: Kingsley
Edward Nashton: Fiennes.

[trsman2785]

Kill Batman!

[the goddamn batman]

Have any of you guys actually read any of the things Nolan's said about the franchise?

...or are we just 'pie-in-the-sky' ing it?

Penguin is out. Nolan's said he won't use Penguin... much as I think Penguin is perfect for his world.

Joker. Said he won't recast Joker. They could have a cameo in Arkham or something... somehow... maybe? If not, he's in Arkham and unlike the comics, he wouldn't break out a few days later.

Killer Croc...? Goyer already set him up in Gotham Knights. Fits the Nolan-verse.

There's been talk about Catwoman... I don't think any of it's official. Goyer said he didn't think they had to default to well known villains like Penguin or Catwoman.

I'd like to see Riddler as a Zodiac-esque serial killer.

[Lew Moxon]

Have any of you guys actually read any of the things Nolan's said about the franchise?

...or are we just 'pie-in-the-sky' ing it?

Penguin is out. Nolan's said he won't use Penguin... much as I think Penguin is perfect for his world.

Joker. Said he won't recast Joker. They could have a cameo in Arkham or something... somehow... maybe? If not, he's in Arkham and unlike the comics, he wouldn't break out a few days later.

Killer Croc...? Goyer already set him up in Gotham Knights. Fits the Nolan-verse.

There's been talk about Catwoman... I don't think any of it's official. Goyer said he didn't think they had to default to well known villains like Penguin or Catwoman.

I'd like to see Riddler as a Zodiac-esque serial killer.

I was pie in the skying it, though I don't think I actually violated anything mentioned with the exception of my use of Riddler and catwoman who, based on the Goyer qoute, may well not appear in Nolan III.

Though even that quote seems more like "we don't have to use them" rather than "we won't"

in terms of who will actually see. my money would be on black mask

[the goddamn batman]

Well, I skimmed the thread. I'm not going to read giant blocks of text about this sort of thing...

I just posted what I'd read form Nolan and Goyer.

[Lew Moxon]

I view this thread as a chance to stretch creative muscles, nothing more than that.


Unless one of us is really Nolan himself, then really we have no idea what a third nolan directed batman film will look like.

[vcassel]

Shadow of the Bat

It's been a couple of months now since the event of The Dark Knight and the citizens are still weary. They lost their Police Commisioner, District Attorney, many cops (not only to the hands of Joker, but Gordon has made it his mission to take all corruption out of the Gotham police force), and tons of property. They also have what they believe to be an apparently murdurous bloodthirsty vigilante dressed as a bat out there at night. The people of Gotham are scared and at a moral low as unorganized crime and random acts of violence are on the rise in the vacuum created with the end of many of the organized crime units and the fact that the Gotham police are desperately trying to reorganize and take on the Batman. Batman has recommitted himself to fighting this new wave of random crime in violence as Bruce Wayne is in danger of completely losing himself to the Batman persona in wake of losing Rachel. To make matters worse, reports of murders being commited at night by "a giant bat" make the public more fearful of Batman and forces the Gotham police to hunt him even more. As Batman tries to find out who's causing these "Batman murders" one night he observes someone trying to break into Wayne Industries or Bruce's penthouse, a cat burgler! Batman sneaks up the confront this cat burgler and it turns out to be a women dressed up as a cat. As they fight/flirt they are attacked by a giant bat with human characteristics, Man-bat (I have no idea how to portray this realisticly). Batman and Catwoman attempt to fight it off and each other. Later in the movie Batman finds the identity of this "Catwomen" is that of a high end escort hired by many of the Gotham elite and Bruce's friends, she's even been at events hosted by Wayne as various people's "dates"!

I have no idea where to go from here but the important thing is to have villians that make sense for where Batman is right now. Man-bat is perfect because Batman is being hunted and is seen as a murderer now. Catwomen would make a great sympathetic villian that would serve to draw Bruce's thoughts away from the death of Rachel into an intrigue with this beautiful and mysterious woman, and someone he can identify with as being on the bad side of the law and on the run.

[MythicBrawn]

Bringing Bane into the movies would be good. And, the ridiculous Bane from Batman and Robin doesn't count. Intersect the stories with the police trying to find out who Batman is with Bane looking for a worthy opponent. Not sure how to end it but it could be a good story.

[DonC]

Batman meets Superman.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Don3172/De-motivational%20Posters/Clark_You_Asshole.jpg

[Damiean Dark]

Im still praying that Harvey is still alive that writes half of the third movie itself and throw in catwoman too as a love interest/villain.

[Lew Moxon]

Bringing Bane into the movies would be good. And, the ridiculous Bane from Batman and Robin doesn't count. Intersect the stories with the police trying to find out who Batman is with Bane looking for a worthy opponent. Not sure how to end it but it could be a good story.

I like Bane for what he does, but I'm not sure there's a way to translate him onto screen that would not end up offending a lot of people.

If we don't want the role to go to a wrestler, we have to accept that he must be much weaker than comics Bane. (Or else use CGI, but honestly CGI is way too overused.)

And I'm not sure I could take the villian in the luchadore mask seriously in live action.

That said, if they do Bane, theres only one choice.

Javier Bardeme.

[revolver86]

Many of you have already expressed ideas I've had for a third movie, but here's my take on it.

The third movie should express fully the idea of "escalation" presented at the end of Begins. If you notice, both films FEEL like their set in the real world, but are slowly getting more surreal. We see our first sign of this when we finally see the Scarecrow in Begins, and it starts coming to a head with the Joker/Two-Face hospital scene in Knight. Hell, the Joker even tells Batman "there's no going back" and I feel lines like that are what will point to where the next movie goes.

Nolan is the first director to successfully (imo) juggle multiple villains, and the final film should take the cake in terms of that. The film should show that even though the Joker is locked up, his dismantling of Gotham's underworld and taste for the theatric have inspired a criminal movement in the city. Despite what he's said, Nolan SHOULD use the Penguin, as he's one of the most easily adaptable rogues to "nolanize", and he makes logical sense to be the new boss trying to fill the vaccum the Joker made and recreate the Gotham mob in his image. Another key thing is for Batman to have a villain that is much more of a physical threat, thus making a tattoed Killer Croc, as one of the Penguin's hired goons, a logical leap. To make Croc work, simply have him be a muscle bound dude with scale tattoos and filed-down teeth.

While Penguin fills the "Falcone/Maroni" mob boss role, Riddler can easily fill the "Scarecrow/Joker" menace role. I say, make him a private detective (like he currently is in the comics) who, to get more business, gets a flashy costume and persona and publicly claims he will discover who the Batman is and capture him. Make him terribly unhinged, and in failure after failure, slowly becomes the truly evil incarnation of the Riddler we all know and love. If Heath were still alive, I probably would have had it be the Joker, who the Riddler goes to speak with at Arkham to gather info on the Batman, be the one who finally pushes him over the edge.

Finally, to fill the "Ras/Two-Face" sympathetic role, I'd have Catwoman, both as a new love interest and an eventual source of redemption for Batman. Remember, Bruce's morale should be in the crapper at this point, and it takes turning Catwoman, who maybe starts out working for the Penguin, to turn to good that helps relieve Bruce of the burden he's had after Harvey's sad turn to the dark side.

Though my idea sports four major bat-rogues, the story should be primarily about Bruce dealing with a once normal, "realistic" Gotham turning more and more into something more like the Gotham in the comics, much darker, crazier, and unhinged.

As a side note, we should also get the rebuilt Wayne Manor with the FULL batcave, and a redesigned Tumbler that finally can actually be considered the batmobile.

[Lew Moxon]

Both of Nolan's films have themes the first one is obviously fear. Hence Scarecrow appears as the freak villain.

In TDK, the theme seems to be escelation, "You knew things were going to get worse before they got better"

So what's the theme of the third movie?

Truth.

Batman and Gordon have lied to the whole city.

All will be revealed.

So, Riddler appears.

But, maybe they want to go a less obvious route with the theme, the villain could be Black Mask, or even Hush.

Though I doubt the latter as he has been created within the past decade.

[n2doop5u]

Yeah, I don't see Hush really working for the Nolan films.

[Lew Moxon]

Yeah, I don't see Hush really working for the Nolan films.

As a storyline or as a charector?

Because I think it would be fun for there to be an actual mystery as to who the villian actually was, we of course, would know Thomas Eliot is Hush, but the the general public wouldn't. Plus a villian from Bruce's inner circle, focused on Bruce instead of Bats, would be a nice change of pace.

Problem is, we've never heard of Thomas Eliot before, and we should have seen him by now if he were going to appear.


And we might get the same effect with Roman Sionis.

In fact, I think Roman is very likely to appear in this franchise, considering he almost appeared in TDK.

[jade_nova]

What story can they borrow from? The first movie was based on "Batman: Year One" and the second was loosely based on "Batman: The Long Halloween".

[Jerry Fields]

Batman meets Superman.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Don3172/De-motivational%20Posters/Clark_You_Asshole.jpg


LOL

That's just amazing :tongue:

[Alan2099]

Now that both Joker and Batman have made themselves know, I'd like to see the tides start to turn and the floodgates open for the costumed set. More criminals are trying to one-up each other with more grandious schemes and apperances and likewise more vigilantes are trying to assist. A crime war is starting between the old fashioned criminals and the freaks.

To help explore that, there's two characters I'd really like to bring in.

Black Mask, an old fashioned crime boss that's seen the costume theme as the next huge stepping stone and is trying to get control of it while it's still small. The problems here are his own men are starting to question his more unusual behaviors now and the super villain type criminals aren't nearly as easy to organize.

The other character would be Robin. Hear me out. Robin is NOT Batman's sidekick. In fact, Batman really doesn't want anyone following in his footsteps and making the mistakes he's made, especially a young kid. He's first made aware of Robin shortly after a fire burns down the Gotham Circus (which would be established similiar to the Barnem and Bailey Circus. it's a big brand name and doesn't tend to travel.), killing nearly everyone. After that happenes, a masked crime fighter appears wearing an slightly bloodied, burnt, and ash covered version of the costume worn by the Flying Graysons, one of the more popular attractions. Remember how Bruce Wayne was shown before he became Batman, when he took the gun and tried to kill Joe Chill? That's Robin only without the direction. His fighting style is much more martial arts and acrobatic based. Think along the lines of Jet Lee or Jackie Chan. While he's a much more capable fighter than Batman, he lacks any sort or tricks or gadgets that bruce has.

Robin doesn't want Batman stopping him and Batman doesn't want Robin making things anyworse.

I can also see Riddler being involvd here, as both a mostly unseen costumed villain and a reputable detective in his secret identity. What he's doing is stirring the pot all the way around and playing the cops, the criminals, and the villains all off each other.

[the goddamn batman]

and the second was loosely based on "Batman: The Long Halloween".

It was? I really don't see anything specific from it in TDK, like I saw specifics from Year One in Begins.

Was there anything directly take from TLH in TDK?

[EZMOHR]

I wrote one a couple of months back that got laughed at, but essentially, it was Talia hiring Deathstroke to get Batman, because she believes she and him are destined(for whatever.) Batman has become reculsive and the such, and is less and less Bruce everyday. At a charity circus, one of the few times Bruce is Bruce, Deathstroke and Talia stike, and kill all members of the trapeeze act, save one, a 15 year old Dick Grayson.

Bruce sees murder within Grayson, and as Batman, kidnaps him, leading to more outcry.

Anyway, Bruce begins to regain his humanity as he trains his new ward. This leads to a final showdown between Talia/Bruce, Deathstroke/Dick, and leads to the fall of the League.

Anyway, the last shot of the movie could be a beaten Talia meeting with a criminal arms dealer to bring the League back, she's shot and left for dead by a figure who says the world is his.......Lex Luthor. Just kind of go from there I guess.

Anyway , I'm not a writer, the Nolans are, and I'm sure they can make a great movie no matter what they do...anyway, my casting choices.....

Talia- Marion Cotillard
Robin- Logan Lerman (Bale's son in 3:10 to Yuma)
Deathstroke- Terry O' Quinn
Lex Luthor- Jason Issacs

[n2doop5u]

It was? I really don't see anything specific from it in TDK, like I saw specifics from Year One in Begins.

Was there anything directly take from TLH in TDK?

The only thing I can remember is the specific line "he does that" which Gordon says to Harvey on the top of the police building.

[the goddamn batman]

Yeah, well, that whole scene was pretty TLH... and that line, obviously... but beyond that scene, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

[Lew Moxon]

Yeah, well, that whole scene was pretty TLH... and that line, obviously... but beyond that scene, I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

I think they used TLH more for charectorization rather than story. Harvey Dent in TDK is very similar to the Dent of TLH. That and the idea of Gordon Batman and Dent teaming up to take on a madman with Dent being the one who ends up scarred as a result. (In TLH the madman is Holiday, in TDK its the Joker.)

The Harvey Dent of this film comes from TLH

Joker comes from his first appearance, and the Killing Joke.

[Mia]

Batman has unprotected sex with Catwoman and gets infected with genital herpes. He also accidentally kills the Joker and drops the Penguin down an elevator shaft (Penguins can't fly, you see). Then he riddles the Riddler with taser gun and performs crippling back surgery without anaesthesia on the Riddler, permamently leaving him paralyzed for life.

No Robin, I'm afraid.

All kidding aside.



What do you mean you're kidding? It's sounds like a great idea! Except I would give him syphillis as opposed to herpes. It would explain why Nolan's Batman is so stupid.:wink:

[the goddamn batman]

I think they used TLH more for charectorization rather than story. Harvey Dent in TDK is very similar to the Dent of TLH. That and the idea of Gordon Batman and Dent teaming up to take on a madman with Dent being the one who ends up scarred as a result. (In TLH the madman is Holiday, in TDK its the Joker.)

The Harvey Dent of this film comes from TLH

Joker comes from his first appearance, and the Killing Joke.

Yeah... it seemed to take from a lot of stories other than TLH... the trifecta coming from TLH, but beyond that I don't see much.

Doesn't the clowns/hostages thing come from Soft Targets or The Man Who Laughs... or isn't there something from No Mans Land... something? I don't remember.

[n2doop5u]

Yeah... it seemed to take from a lot of stories other than TLH... the trifecta coming from TLH, but beyond that I don't see much.

Doesn't the clowns/hostages thing come from Soft Targets or The Man Who Laughs... or isn't there something from No Mans Land... something? I don't remember.

I believe in Harvey Dent slogan. Wasn't that in TLH?

[the goddamn batman]

No that I'm aware of...

[Lew Moxon]

No that I'm aware of...


It does indeed come from TLH.

[AJM]

It'll never happen, but i'd love to see Man-Bat in a film... but who knows, with today's level of genetic engineering and stem-cell science, it maybe isn't as too far-fetched as we think. Probably never happen though.

And i often fantasize about James Gandolfini as the Penguin - probably because i miss The Sopranos... but no Penguin, apparently. That doesn't bother me, i'm a bigger fan of Gandolfini than i am the character.

Black Mask would fit the world but i don't think he's mush of a pull to new audiences - and Ledger left big shoes to fill - so i would expect the Riddler and Catwoman are going to be what we get.

Also, i know Nolan denies that there's ever any deleted scenes etc. when he makes a film, but surely they must've shot some Joker scenes in Arkham? They went to great lengths establishing Arkham and its importance to Batman's world in Batman Begins, and i think it's insane to think that they wouldn't have ended The Dark Knight in the logical place. I like the ending but i hope they shot some more final Joker scenes in a glass-walled cell that they decided to keep for the third one... fingers crossed.

[the goddamn batman]

Also, i know Nolan denies that there's ever any deleted scenes etc. when he makes a film,

That's not true at all. Batman Begins had deleted scenes, and apparently TDK had at least the one.

[Lew Moxon]

That's not true at all. Batman Begins had deleted scenes, and apparently TDK had at least the one.

I know a guy who worked on TDK, and there is apparently a lot that didn't make it onto the screen.

But I think Nolan's point is that his version of the movie, is "The Director's Cut" and therefore, from his perspective, showing deleted scenes is pointless.

[AJM]

That's not true at all. Batman Begins had deleted scenes, and apparently TDK had at least the one.

What Batman Begins deleted scenes were there? Have you seen them?

[n2doop5u]

No that I'm aware of...

yeah it does. It's not a slogan but it's a repeated line.

[jade_nova]

It was? I really don't see anything specific from it in TDK, like I saw specifics from Year One in Begins.

Was there anything directly take from TLH in TDK?

The whole Gordon-Batman-Harvey Dent friendship and what should be done in order to take down criminals reminded me of "The Long Halloween".

[the goddamn batman]

What Batman Begins deleted scenes were there? Have you seen them?

A bunch of stuff was put back into the film for the DVD release that wasn't in the theatrical cut. You've seen them... they're just part of the movie now.

I know a guy who worked on TDK, and there is apparently a lot that didn't make it onto the screen.

But I think Nolan's point is that his version of the movie, is "The Director's Cut" and therefore, from his perspective, showing deleted scenes is pointless.

Oh really? I read somewhere, Nolan saying everything they filmed was in the movie... that they wrote it so nothing could be cut... well, basically anyway.

Shame that he won't make an extended cut (yet... maybe ever) I could watch a four hour version of TDK. :biggrin:

Maybe some day the studio's greed will over power Nolan's decision.

The whole Gordon-Batman-Harvey Dent friendship and what should be done in order to take down criminals reminded me of "The Long Halloween".

Yeah, that was certainly there, I was thinking more specifically, like how Begins took direct elements from Year One.

[AJM]

A bunch of stuff was put back into the film for the DVD release that wasn't in the theatrical cut. You've seen them... they're just part of the movie now.

Are you sure? Because i saw Begins loads of times in the cinema and i don't remember noticing any difference at all. What's your source?

[the goddamn batman]

Batman Begins is 140 minutes long, according to IMDB. The Dark Knight is 152 minutes long.

Batman Begins was not a 140 minute long movie when released in theaters.

Granted, we're not talking about a substantial amount of added material, but there's some bit and pieces added here and there. Bruce telling the homeless buy "nice coat"? That wasn't in the theatrical release. Bruce tossing the gun into the ocean? Pretty sure that was added...

I don't remember all of them, because it's been three years since I've seen the theatrical cut, but there were some differences. I remember noticing them.

[AJM]

Batman Begins is 140 minutes long, according to IMDB. The Dark Knight is 152 minutes long.

Batman Begins was not a 140 minute long movie when released in theaters.

Granted, we're not talking about a substantial amount of added material, but there's some bit and pieces added here and there. Bruce telling the homeless buy "nice coat"? That wasn't in the theatrical release. Bruce tossing the gun into the ocean? Pretty sure that was added...

I don't remember all of them, because it's been three years since I've seen the theatrical cut, but there were some differences. I remember noticing them.

Sorry, but that's wrong. Both those scenes you mentioned were in the theatrical release and the version i saw in the cinema was exactly the same as the DVD version. In the UK, this is 134 minutes long - the reason the US version is stated as 140 is probably because of the different frame rates between NTSC and PAL, which means that UK DVDs always have shorter running times than US discs even though the film is exactly the same.

Nothing was added to Batman Begins for DVD, and Nolan has stated before that he wouldn't tamper with a film once it was released, which is why there are no "Director's Cuts" of any of his movies - he has final cut on his films anyway, so the film that gets released already is the director's cut.

If there are deleted scenes from Begins, they have yet to be seen by anyone other than the production team. There quite probably were scenes that didn't make the final cut, but it seems Nolan prefers to leave them on the cutting room floor... unless - hopefully - he decides to hold onto them for a sequel because his supporting actor tragically dies before the edit and he realises he might need him for a cameo. As i say, fingers crossed.

[the goddamn batman]

Well, I don't know what to tell you, because I actually compared the versions I had and they were different... for whatever reasons.

[AJM]

Well, I don't know what to tell you, because I actually compared the versions I had and they were different... for whatever reasons.

How could you compare the theatrical release with the DVD? I can only assume you had a bootleg cam version.

[Spider-Flash]

ok here it goes:

its the Riddler as the villian. Gotham has hired Edward Nigma to find the idenity of batman. The mystery begins to drive Mr. E crazy, so he devises the riddler plan. To kill and steal while leaving clues for batman so he can observe and trap the batman. It literally drives him crazy and hunts down Coleman Reese to find out. The police find out of his riddler crimes and everything in his life collapse around him.

add some catwoman/batman interactions. have catwoman teach batman about the mentality of a outlaw, and your done.

[Death by Mime]

In fact, I think Roman is very likely to appear in this franchise, considering he almost appeared in TDK.

This is from a bit back, but what's this about? I never heard anything about Black Mask almost appearing in TDK.

[Lew Moxon]

You know, I can't quite remember where I heard that, and it may be just a rumour, but I haven't heard it dubunked yet. So I don't know what to tell you.

[Mr. Sam]

I've been saying it a lot and everywhere I go but I'll say it again for your benefit. David Fincher should direct. Not necessarily this movie - though I don't think Nolan should make a third - but he should definitely direct a Batman movie.

I have two major gripes with Nolan. The first is definitely the bigger - focusing on extras who have little or no acting ability. It was OK in Begins when all they did was say a couple of things then run screaming, but in TDK the boat scene was absolutely atrocious. Near movie-ruining for me. What's worse is that looking into the people on the boat was completely unnecessary - and the civillians didn't kill the criminals, as would have been more impactful. Fincher would make sure, if focusing on minor characters was necessary, that good actors were hired and good dialigue was written for them.

Secondly, he loves big speeches and powerful music. Others love these, but to me they seem so artificial and forced - No Country For Old Men shows how speeches should be and how events are much more tense without a piece of opera behind them. Fincher could get an actor to express in ten seconds what it takes Nolan to do in three minutes.

And the two themes that Fincher has an absolute mastery of - obsession and professionalism. Two absolutely essential themes in Batman and ones that I don't think Nolan has confronted properly. Only problem is he'd have to PG it up, meaning no gruesome sequences like in Se7en or Zodiac. Still, I think Benjamin Button (released in the UK in February, ARGH) will show he doesn't need blood and guts.

As for characters and plotlines, I'd trust Big Dave to deal with it.

[Lew Moxon]

My main problem with Nolan, in so far as I have a problem, is entirely a visual matter.

I think Batman should be set in the late thirties early forties.

I don't like the way Bale's suit looks.

But other than that, I really liked TDK.

[the goddamn batman]

I've been saying it a lot and everywhere I go but I'll say it again for your benefit. David Fincher should direct. Not necessarily this movie - though I don't think Nolan should make a third - but he should definitely direct a Batman movie.

I have two major gripes with Nolan. The first is definitely the bigger - focusing on extras who have little or no acting ability. It was OK in Begins when all they did was say a couple of things then run screaming, but in TDK the boat scene was absolutely atrocious. Near movie-ruining for me. What's worse is that looking into the people on the boat was completely unnecessary - and the civillians didn't kill the criminals, as would have been more impactful. Fincher would make sure, if focusing on minor characters was necessary, that good actors were hired and good dialigue was written for them.

Secondly, he loves big speeches and powerful music. Others love these, but to me they seem so artificial and forced - No Country For Old Men shows how speeches should be and how events are much more tense without a piece of opera behind them. Fincher could get an actor to express in ten seconds what it takes Nolan to do in three minutes.

You know, Fincher is my first choice should Nolan not return... but I'd prefer Nolan to return and finish a trilogy. There'll be more Batman movies after that if it does well, Fincher could take over then.


Are you saying it would have had a bigger impact if the civilians killed the criminals? Because that would have ruined the point of that scene... and the movie. I mean, that's kind of an integral scene in the movie for Joker's character and his motivations.

[the goddamn batman]

How could you compare the theatrical release with the DVD? I can only assume you had a bootleg cam version.

You don't have to assume, I already said I'd downloaded a cam of it. I went and saw it in the theatre, but I got a version after that so I could "see" it again.

[n2doop5u]

I've had this debate with people and I'd like to pose the question here. Did Nolan set himself up for a third movie? I'm going to say yes. Maybe not as obvious as he did in Begins but we have Batman riding off, saying he needs to be hunted. Freaks have started to pop up. I think his third movie is going to be the Freak showdown. A lot like Dark Victory in that sense. I think the movie is going to bridge the gap between the realistic world Nolan is in and the possibility of having a world with Superman existing. I don't think he's going to add any supernatural elements in this one but I have a feeling you aren't going to see just one baddie but at least 2 or 3. There is definitely going to be another time gap. I really hope Nolan finishes off his movies because his world is a really interesting one. Having the Finch take over after that might be the perfect director after what I hope is an all out freak fest.

Do you guys think he set himself up for a 3rd?

[AJM]

You don't have to assume, I already said I'd downloaded a cam of it. I went and saw it in the theatre, but I got a version after that so I could "see" it again.

Fair enough, but i don't think you said it to me.

Anyway, i looked into it and i can't find anyone else who thinks there are differences between the theatrical and version and the DVD. Sorry. I'd be interested to see your cam version though...

[davepaton]

As long as Fincher didn't make Batman 3 like Alien 3. I watched that movie again yesterday boy it sucked.

[the goddamn batman]

Fair enough, but i don't think you said it to me.

Anyway, i looked into it and i can't find anyone else who thinks there are differences between the theatrical and version and the DVD. Sorry. I'd be interested to see your cam version though...

Nope, you're right, I didn't say it. I meant to, I thought I did... but apparently I did not. Egg on my face...

I trashed it the day the DVD came out... so, it's long gone. It's possible that for some reason the version I had was cut up, I don't know.

I also can't find any reference to the theatrical release being different.

Which is weird that such a big deal was made about TDK's running time, when Begins was only ten minutes shorter.

As long as Fincher didn't make Batman 3 like Alien 3. I watched that movie again yesterday boy it sucked.

Fincher isn't the reason Alien 3 sucked.

[AJM]

I trashed it the day the DVD came out... so, it's long gone. It's possible that for some reason the version I had was cut up, I don't know.

Apparently there's a Quantum Of Solace cam download doing the rounds just now that has scenes missing too, i think it's quite common with those things. I try and avoid the cams myself. Not that i'm into that sort of thing, of course.

[the goddamn batman]

But that's missing the beginning and the end, not random full scenes from throughout the movie.

And, yeah, I don't steal movies, but with Begins we were rather drunk when we went, so I wanted to see it again... not that it really justifies it, but I paid to see it initially, so I don't feel too bad about it.

[Mr. Sam]

Are you saying it would have had a bigger impact if the civilians killed the criminals? Because that would have ruined the point of that scene... and the movie. I mean, that's kind of an integral scene in the movie for Joker's character and his motivations.

Late to reply but... how so?

I also feel Alien 3 is underrated. Sure, it doesn't compare favourably to the first two, but compare it to the last one and it's a masterpiece.

[revolver86]

I've had this debate with people and I'd like to pose the question here. Did Nolan set himself up for a third movie? I'm going to say yes. Maybe not as obvious as he did in Begins but we have Batman riding off, saying he needs to be hunted. Freaks have started to pop up. I think his third movie is going to be the Freak showdown. A lot like Dark Victory in that sense. I think the movie is going to bridge the gap between the realistic world Nolan is in and the possibility of having a world with Superman existing. I don't think he's going to add any supernatural elements in this one but I have a feeling you aren't going to see just one baddie but at least 2 or 3. There is definitely going to be another time gap. I really hope Nolan finishes off his movies because his world is a really interesting one. Having the Finch take over after that might be the perfect director after what I hope is an all out freak fest.

Do you guys think he set himself up for a 3rd?


I agree completely. In many ways, I hope his trilogy ends where a transition between "nolanverse" and more comic book stuff in either a JLA or another Batman flick.

Oh, and that gets me thinking what would be an awesome Batman 4. David Fincher ==> Arkham Asylum.

[James Conniff]

I agree completely. In many ways, I hope his trilogy ends where a transition between "nolanverse" and more comic book stuff in either a JLA or another Batman flick.

Oh, and that gets me thinking what would be an awesome Batman 4. David Fincher ==> Arkham Asylum.

I would enjoy that as well. Have a solid "ending" to Nolan's "run" on Batman. As much as I would love a throw bit of dialog at the end of the third movie with Alfred convincing Bruce to go to the Circus, the next director (and they better be damn good) should have a pretty clean slate to work with. If Only you vcould get Brian Singer to direct the next Batman movie, make a mix of the Usual Suspects Batman solving a mystery, and X-men 2 with a lot of action with great character development as well....and not make a Batman Returns.

Who would you like to see direct the 4th movie (assuming Nolan directs the 3rd)?