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Hawkman
12-11-2008, 12:37 AM
A brief foreword, I thought this was a very entertaining issue. Not the greatest, but still very good in my mind. It flowed well, nearly everyone got a chance to do something, and there was enough action to keep it interesting from start to finish.

Anyway, SPOILERS:

Issue begins with Dr. Kimiyo Hoshi (Dr. Light) working at S.T.A.R. labs in Metropolis, throwing a fit and then giving us a glimpse into her now-humdrum life. She obviously misses the superhero lifestyle, but her powers are too unreliable now for her to do it full-time. As she reaches her home, she discovers the members of Milstone's Shadow Cabinet in her living room.

Turn the page and we're treated to a series of panels and a half-spread page of Kendra getting it on with some mysterious winged man in the clouds. I wonder who that could be? The lone word balloon reads: "Oh, Carter..." (YES!) Well, the guy sleeping next to her in the real world is none to happy about this, and Kendra awakens to find Roy questioning her about why she said that. She tries to explain, but Roy isn't listening, and walks out in a huff.

In Washington D.C., Vixen and Buddy are training, helping the former to test out her powers. All is well, and after a brief invite extended to Buddy--which he respectively declines--Black Canary tells Vixen that she's reinstates as a JLA'er once more.

Back at Kimiyo's house, she's frantic to find her kids, and as such is able to tap into her powers. SC's speedster, Blitzen, tries to catch up to her but is unable to reach the speed of light. Hardware tricks the desperate Kimiyo, however, stopping her in her tracks with a barrier of cooled atoms. Unfortunately for the Cabinet, not before Kimiyo was able to activate her old JSI communicator.

In the Lounge--Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman's hidden club house--Canary's found out about their secret and gives them hell over it (rightfully so, if you ask me). In the middle of her speech, John Stewart makes them aware of Kimiyo's beacon, and the team (Stewart, Black Lightning, Firestorm, Zatanna, and Batman) is on their way. Upon their arrival, Batman spots Starlight for a phony Kimiyo almost immediately, commenting that Kimiyo's more of a... well, not nice lady.

As it turns out, it may have just been a diversion to split up the team. Hardware and Iota are already sneaking their way into the Watchtower to obtain something. Upon retrieving it, though, they're caught in the act. And it, by the way, appears to be the mortal remains of Dr. (Arthur) Light. With Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and the rest of the available team staring them down, the two outgunned Shadow Cabinet members call in reinforcements. Icon shows up, along with the rest of his team, and it looks like we're in for a battle royale next issue.

END SPOILERS

Very entertaining issue from start to finish. I've not read much of Dr. Light, but McDuffie's characterization felt very true to form, I thought. The Milestone characters came off as instantly intriguing to me, and if DC is indeed using Justice League to plug a future book featuring any of them, I may well just have to pick it up.

Mari's powers finally being sorted out is refreshing to see, as was the way Canary told the big three what was what. I hope this is a sign that the leadership ladder will soon be more actively reflected in the book outside of mid-battle commands, as McDuffie seems very much aware that while Dinah is the chairperson in name, she's not always treated as such by her "peers".

Of special note to me, though, was of course the two pages featuring Kendra. I had honestly given up on the notion of ever seeing her back with Carter months ago now, but this has actually rekindled my hope. Still not getting that hope up too high, but it is nonetheless there again. If nothing else, though, at least McDuffie will be addressing the relationship it seems, as opposed to the way Meltzer just sort of half-handedly allowed it to fall to the wayside while on his quest to hook Kendra up with Roy.

Anyway, solid issue and a good jumping on point for those looking to try it, be it again or for the first time. So far the Milestone characters feel very much a part of the DCU, but at the same time fresh. I like that vibe and am definitely looking forward to the next issue as a result.

Doc Goblin
12-11-2008, 02:12 AM
I thought this was a good issue. Solidly written, attractive art.

But the Milestone stuff was pretty overwhelming. I'm not familiar at all with Milestone characters, and as far as introductions go this was really abrupt. I was struggling to keep track of them whenever they showed up. Some of them seem interesting, but the way they were just thrown in was offputting.

I did like Black Lightning being asked if he is Static's dad though. That was a nice touch.

I loved Dinah bringing a folded up chair into the Trinity's little hideout. That scene was so great. I think McDuffie is really making up for Meltzer neglecting Dinah in her role as chairwoman.

I'm not sure what I think of Animal Man still interfacing with alien animals. It seems like a kind of forced way to keep him different from Vixen. I think I'd rather he stuck Earth-based.

While the introduction of the MIlestone characters wasn't so great, McDuffie did really well with Dr. Light. I wasn't familiar with her either, but she was introduced in a way that totally made up for it.

Flamebird
12-11-2008, 02:38 AM
The remains of Dr. Light?

What remains? Wasn't he just turned into a giant candle and burned to death by the Spectre?

The only remains, if any should be a puddle of wax.

Aaron King
12-11-2008, 07:22 AM
The remains are the candle. Apparently the League recovered it, which is weird and gross and cool.

jv2k
12-11-2008, 09:51 PM
I liked it too.

-My only exposure to milestone was through the static shock cartoon, so I had no idea who most of the characters were, but I enjoyed them well enough.

-Kendra might end the moronic relationship with roy, although it seems like McDuffie is going to break them up in a method that is as hamfisted as what meltzer used to get them together. On a side note, when did DC start allowing such explicit sex scenes in their normal books?

-Black Canary finding the secret meeting room and telling the big three off.

HaroldAllnut
12-12-2008, 12:08 AM
I was quite pleased with this bit overall. Well, enough to tentatively add this series back to my pull list. Next month will determine the fate of this series as far as I'm concerned.

mgs
12-12-2008, 01:29 AM
awesome issue, loved it all and where it's heading!! :biggrin:

dupersuper
12-12-2008, 06:25 AM
Looks like Kimmie's drinking diet soda again...some one call Kara for an intervention...

Shellhead
12-12-2008, 08:11 AM
Kimiyo adopting the name of a well-known super-villain was odd, but could have easily been explained by saying that she was unaware of his existence, since she was busy with her own research. Or maybe there was a translation error in the Japanese media or something similar. But the fact that she wore a costume that was almost identical to his was downright bizarre, and has never been explained to my satisfaction.

Karl O'Neill
12-12-2008, 08:25 AM
I might get this now:)

dupersuper
12-12-2008, 06:48 PM
Kimiyo adopting the name of a well-known super-villain was odd, but could have easily been explained by saying that she was unaware of his existence, since she was busy with her own research. Or maybe there was a translation error in the Japanese media or something similar. But the fact that she wore a costume that was almost identical to his was downright bizarre, and has never been explained to my satisfaction.

Ask The Monitor; he orchestrated the whole thing.

HaroldAllnut
12-12-2008, 09:51 PM
Kimiyo adopting the name of a well-known super-villain was odd, but could have easily been explained by saying that she was unaware of his existence, since she was busy with her own research. Or maybe there was a translation error in the Japanese media or something similar. But the fact that she wore a costume that was almost identical to his was downright bizarre, and has never been explained to my satisfaction.Ask The Monitor; he orchestrated the whole thing.

I think the idea was for her to "take the name back." She became what Doctor Light should have been.

Super Buddies Forever
12-12-2008, 10:46 PM
Liked the issue, love the Milestone characters, but I'm not quite sold on the idea that they've always been around the DCU and we're just seeing them now for the first time. Yeah, I know this the post-Infinite Crisis world and that the Milestone universe (shown as separate in the World's Collide storyline) could have been integrated into the DCU much like the various DC-bought comic universes were after the original Crisis.

But the idea that they're just now meeting them doesn't really work in the wake of Meltzer's JLA stories, where every fifth-string super hero knows the identity of, say, Robin. The hero community is a tighter fraternity than ever, so why have the Dakota heroes been excluded thus far?

Hawkman
12-12-2008, 11:00 PM
But the idea that they're just now meeting them doesn't really work in the wake of Meltzer's JLA stories, where every fifth-string super hero knows the identity of, say, Robin. The hero community is a tighter fraternity than ever, so why have the Dakota heroes been excluded thus far?
Just a hunch--and I don't know the Milestone characters very well at all, so I could be way off base on this--but some of their lines gave me the impression that they might be a bit more "hardcore" than what the members of the rest of the DCU hero community consider to be tolerable. That may explain why they're a bit on the outs with everyone else.

Dinah's line of "knowing some of them" has me suspecting we'll get a bit more info on their backstory and how it fits with the rest of the DCU in the next issue.

HaroldAllnut
12-12-2008, 11:51 PM
Dinah's line of "knowing some of them" has me suspecting we'll get a bit more info on their backstory and how it fits with the rest of the DCU in the next issue.

That was one of the bits that got me pretty excited. I figured we'd be getting some backstory. Here's hoping McDuffie doesn't let us down.

CBikle
12-13-2008, 11:54 AM
Kimiyo adopting the name of a well-known super-villain was odd, but could have easily been explained by saying that she was unaware of his existence, since she was busy with her own research. Or maybe there was a translation error in the Japanese media or something similar. But the fact that she wore a costume that was almost identical to his was downright bizarre, and has never been explained to my satisfaction.

Yeah, it makes more comic book world sense than real world sense, but it clearly wasn't a coincidence that she wore his name and costume.

Maybe Kimiyo was a fan of Dr. Light's work as a scientist or maybe she just saw it that by taking on his name & costume to do heroic things she was somehow redeeming his field of study ?

Alternatively, you could always chalk it up to being one of those weird Japanese cultural things that doesn't really translate.

On a side note, it must have been awkward for some of the JLA members to work with her in light of Identity Crisis.

C. Earl
12-13-2008, 12:19 PM
I liked it too.

-My only exposure to milestone was through the static shock cartoon, so I had no idea who most of the characters were, but I enjoyed them well enough.

-Kendra might end the moronic relationship with roy, although it seems like McDuffie is going to break them up in a method that is as hamfisted as what meltzer used to get them together. On a side note, when did DC start allowing such explicit sex scenes in their normal books?

Probably when DC realized that no one under 14 was buying JLA, IMO...

I've actually been away from JLA for the past ten issues, but this was a great point to jump back on board since nearly all of the plot points continued where I left off...

Hawkman
12-13-2008, 01:09 PM
-Kendra might end the moronic relationship with roy, although it seems like McDuffie is going to break them up in a method that is as hamfisted as what meltzer used to get them together.
It won't be too hamfisted, assuming a break-up is indeed in the works. Remember Kendra also hasn't made Roy aware that her daughter, Mia, is actually still alive. If anything, should they eventually break up, I see it being over communication problems, which is a very realistic issue between incompatible couples. You may have everything else under the sun in common, but if you can't talk openly with your partner then the relationship is bound to implode sooner or later.

My two cents, I'd show that Carter knows about Mia as well, and when Roy finds out, everything collapses from there. I'm not saying it will happen, but that's probably how I'd handle it. As I've said before, though, McDuffie may only be introducing these complications so the two can work them out, and be a stronger couple in the end for it. Just have to wait and see, but in the meantime I'm glad Carter's back in the mix, if only in spirit for now, so his past with Kendra and how he really feels about Roy (one line in JSA wasn't enough for me, sorry) might actually be addressed in one form or another.

Xero
12-13-2008, 04:58 PM
Kimiyo's name was given to her by the original Monitor, Kimiyo was never a Meta her powers came directly from his machines, which is why Arthur Light was later able to physically take them from her.

The Monitor even says to Lyta "time to create the new Doctor Light" (paraphrased).

octothorp
12-13-2008, 06:24 PM
What tripped me up this issue was the use of Hal Clement's Mesklinites (from the wonderful novel Mission of Gravity). Did DC have to pay Mr. Clement's estate to use the name? I don't think his work is in the public domain, and therefore his heirs should be paid. And I didn't see Hal Clement's name given. Hey, if you're going to name-check a classic SF author, throw in a citation, DC!

CBikle
12-14-2008, 12:37 AM
Kimiyo's name was given to her by the original Monitor, Kimiyo was never a Meta her powers came directly from his machines, which is why Arthur Light was later able to physically take them from her.

The Monitor even says to Lyta "time to create the new Doctor Light" (paraphrased).

I'd forgotten about that, but here's something weird:

Is the original Monitor remembered post-Crisis ? If not, who gave her the name ?

Tracks
12-14-2008, 01:25 PM
if yo uwant to get familiar with the milestone characters go t oscans daily and some guy pretty muc hhas the history of most of the characters and their major adventures, after reading that I think the league might lose this one, seeing as icon is basically superman, with a healing factor and and energy blast

DanCMH
12-14-2008, 03:10 PM
I havent picked up a copy of JLA in a long long time but if Dinah gets to tell the "Trinity" to go to hell for their smugness I'm in for a copy...

G. Boney
12-14-2008, 06:06 PM
But the idea that they're just now meeting them doesn't really work in the wake of Meltzer's JLA stories, where every fifth-string super hero knows the identity of, say, Robin. The hero community is a tighter fraternity than ever, so why have the Dakota heroes been excluded thus far?

'Cuz they're black (well, some of them)

Brian Cronin
12-15-2008, 09:39 AM
What tripped me up this issue was the use of Hal Clement's Mesklinites (from the wonderful novel Mission of Gravity). Did DC have to pay Mr. Clement's estate to use the name? I don't think his work is in the public domain, and therefore his heirs should be paid. And I didn't see Hal Clement's name given. Hey, if you're going to name-check a classic SF author, throw in a citation, DC!

His work may be in copyright, but a casual in-joke reference to one of his characters is fair use.

The same as if McDuffie had had Buddy say "I am using the powers of a Klingon."

-Brian

BeastieRunner
12-15-2008, 11:28 AM
Just when I was going to drop this title . . . BAM!

Really great setup and I'm hoping for a big JLA shakeup. :cool: