Nightwing #151 (Spoilers)

[WorstThingUS]

He talks with Harvey for no real purpose I can discern unless it ties to the fact he breaks out two seconds later so he can be free in Detective #851 and let me tell you now this whole "Villain can't stay in jail" thing is dead. tired. It stinks of no imagination. There are a zillion other villains in the DCU to use. Why use the same one over and over again?

Then he does that stupid skydiving thing again and again, for someone who was in outer space before he could legally drive, I'm not seeing the fascination this could possibly hold for him. It'd make more sense if he just did trapeze work without a net.

Then the girlfriend he never had any chemistry with breaks up with him to leave New York. So what was the point of her? Even Bruce Jones' crappy female Nightwing was more interesting. It was bad, but bad beats boring any day of the week.

Finally, in a scene that should have been more touching than it was, Dick, Tim and Alfred share a family night together watching The Magnificent Seven. It fails because it's silent and Doug Mahnke simply doesn't have the chops needed to evoke the necessary emotion. Final Crisis: Requiem showed Tomasi's got it in spades, so the one area where we know he succeeds, he opts out.

Sigh. Now I'm just buying this book out of sheer love of Nightwing now. I can understand if others just flat out drop it. It'll just be me here to turn the lights out at #156 when it all comes to an end.

[JLA323]

coming to an end at 156? are they going to stop after this?

sorry for the stupid question

[beserkerclaw]

Actaully Nightwing ends in #153 the final issue

[JLA323]

that sucks...no more nightwing?

[BigTopTony]

Oh dear. This issue was bad. (As was the latest Detective. I don't care who wrote it, it was out of touch and so forgetful that I'm ashamed I spent hard earned money on it.)

I think I'm simply spoiled by Morrison but who in their right (and honest) mind isn't? In super hero comics there is Morrison and then there is everyone else. Using those parameters, the current issue of Nightwing was written by the hack third cousin of everyone else. The art is servicable but far from spectacular and the coloring is as limp as my Halloween date.

I give it a grade rating of a C-. Far too generous, but we are amidst the holiday season, so I'll be kind.

[WorstThingUS]

Actaully Nightwing ends in #153 the final issue

I suppose I should be grateful for 3 less issues of this.

that sucks...no more nightwing?

Well, chances are he's going to become Batman.

Oh dear. This issue was bad. (As was the latest Detective. I don't care who wrote it, it was out of touch and so forgetful that I'm ashamed I spent hard earned money on it.)

I think I'm simply spoiled by Morrison but who in their right (and honest) mind isn't? In super hero comics there is Morrison and then there is everyone else. Using those parameters, the current issue of Nightwing was written by the hack third cousin of everyone else. The art is servicable but far from spectacular and the coloring is as limp as my Halloween date.

I give it a grade rating of a C-. Far too generous, but we are amidst the holiday season, so I'll be kind.

Morrison's not exactly firing on all cylinders either right now, but at least his stuff remains interesting even when it fails. This was so...boring. I'll say it again: BORING IS WORSE THAN BAD!

Tomasi, we gave you every chance in world.

[Splatt]

Whose body from the graveyard did Nightwing, Superman and John Stewart dig?

[WorstThingUS]

Whose body from the graveyard did Nightwing, Superman and John Stewart dig?

Everyone with a power who's dead. But why keep them on earth rather than on the satellite?

[Vidocq]

Everyone with a power who's dead. But why keep them on earth rather than on the satellite?

Because that way the families can still visit them.

[Pinual]

See, I didn't get the idea that it was "everyone." I very much got the idea that it was Bruce buried as Batman without mention so everyone else could keep the secret. Otherwise I see no point in Nightwing being there. Sups and a GL sure but what point does Nightwing serve unless its Bruce they are moving.

[Mat001]

Except Bruce isn't dead and doesn't die.

[WorstThingUS]

See, I didn't get the idea that it was "everyone." I very much got the idea that it was Bruce buried as Batman without mention so everyone else could keep the secret. Otherwise I see no point in Nightwing being there. Sups and a GL sure but what point does Nightwing serve unless its Bruce they are moving.

I'm thinking you didn't read the previous issues. In short, Talia was building a super-army using the bodies and DNA of dead heroes and villains. As a result the US Government (via a conversation with Superman) decided that they couldn't leave the superhero graveyard unprotected and so moved all the bodies out. Nightwing was there because it was a result of his case.

[4thHorseman]

I only just recently started reading Nightwing, and so the whole coffin thing had me confused. At first I thought it might be a set up for The Blackest Night.

[Red Lotus]

I did like how they showed you that Nightwing didn't let Carol die and he saved her. He beat Two Face twice and Harvey doesn't even know.

From the start Tomasi run has felt like it was more of a set up for Nightwing to become Batman more then being about Nightwing.

[Captain Jim]

I think I'm simply spoiled by Morrison but who in their right (and honest) mind isn't? In super hero comics there is Morrison and then there is everyone else.

You know, if you people want to worship Morrison, that's your right. But I'm getting rather tired of these juvenile comments that anyone who disagrees with you isn't in their right mind. :rolleyes:

[BigTopTony]

You know, if you people want to worship Morrison, that's your right. But I'm getting rather tired of these juvenile comments that anyone who disagrees with you isn't in their right mind. :rolleyes:

Well it's just hyperbole, Jimmy Boy. We are talking about comic books here so tongue is always firmly in cheek.

That said, I challenge you to name me one writer more important in super hero comics today than Grant Morrison. The man is an absolute genius. A comic god among men. I just can't bring myself to read most things these days after his Batman run and I know I'm not alone.

And if Mr. Morrison isn't back on a Bat-books soon, I fear the worst for their future. Just reading these dreadful previews of what's to come in the next few months is enough to make one want to gag.

I mean, really, how boring was that issue by Denny O'Neil? Oh certainly the art was fine but the writing so archaic and I daresay so 70's. Some people can adapt with the times, some, such as Mr. O'Neil, apparently can't. Then there are those like Grant Morrison who define the time with their work.

But this is a Nightwing thread so please pardon my little aside.

All aboard!

[davepaton]

I actually can't believe I bought this issue. The first half was fine - a bit pointless yes - but I enjoyed the dialogue between two-face and Dick. This comic ended when Dick and Debs split up. I don't think iv read a comic that was so blatantly trying to fill pages from there on in. Maybe the story was all used up with the 'bumper' issue last month but really the 2nd half of this comic sucked so badly.

[the_changing_man]

That said, I challenge you to name me one writer more important in super hero comics today than Grant Morrison

Please let it be Gaimen....the boy oozes talent Morrison could only dream of......seriously, its about time he got a tasty run of Batman or Superman....heck give him Hulk ffs....let him go buck mad with Spiderman for a year....lol

[zomg]

I find it amusing that when I go to this forum nobody liked the issue but when I go to the DC forum everyone seems to love it.

[Captain Jim]

Just had a chance to read it. Wow, this was bad (no matter what they're saying on the DC boards).

I understand that the series is about to end, but this was definitely just filling space. I know, it may have taken care of a couple of dangling plot threads, but they were so minor, I really don't think they needed addressed at all. The only reason I'm sticking with this book now is that it's about to end.

(Btw, when did Dent learn that Nightwing is the original Robin? I don't believe that's public knowledge.)

[DonEMC]

Maybe the bodies being exhumed and stored in a mausoleum will be heroes-turned-zombie-villains when Blackest Night hits...