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Kellhoun
12-09-2008, 03:05 PM
Just out of curiosity, I was wondering where the idea that Gaston from Disney's Beauty and the Beast was a coward. I can't remember any place in the movie where he acted cowardly. Acting like a complete bastard, yes but coward no.

nervmeister
12-09-2008, 03:08 PM
Just out of curiosity, I was wondering where the idea that Gaston from Disney's Beauty and the Beast was a coward. I can't remember any place in the movie where he acted cowardly. Acting like a complete bastard, yes but coward no.Well, he screamed like a bitch when he fell to his death. :biggrin:

Nik Hasta
12-09-2008, 03:10 PM
Off the top of my head...

- Pleading for his life like a misreable bitch when the Beast beat him in combat.
- Stabbing the Beast in the back.
- Shooting the Beast in the back.

Other than that, he seemed to have a lot of false bravado. He wasn't a total coward though, I mean he stepped up to fight the Beast despite his large size and scary appearance.

Kellhoun
12-09-2008, 03:22 PM
Off the top of my head...

- Pleading for his life like a misreable bitch when the Beast beat him in combat.
- Stabbing the Beast in the back.
- Shooting the Beast in the back.

Other than that, he seemed to have a lot of false bravado. He wasn't a total coward though, I mean he stepped up to fight the Beast despite his large size and scary appearance.


Playing devil's advocate.

The pleading for his life bit did come after he was beaten in fair combat, and seems to have been more of a ploy to get the beast to turn his back than anything else. So while it was slightly cowardly, it could also be looked at as a legitimate battle strategy. As for the other two points once again, any professional soldier or warrior worth his salt would say if you can get them in the back before they get you makes for a much easier battle. And normally if you stab someone in the back that clearly outclasses you then you tend to come out alive at the end.

aut0matic
12-09-2008, 03:47 PM
Playing devil's advocate.

The pleading for his life bit did come after he was beaten in fair combat, and seems to have been more of a ploy to get the beast to turn his back than anything else. So while it was slightly cowardly, it could also be looked at as a legitimate battle strategy. As for the other two points once again, any professional soldier or warrior worth his salt would say if you can get them in the back before they get you makes for a much easier battle. And normally if you stab someone in the back that clearly outclasses you then you tend to come out alive at the end.

gaston did employ some underhanded techniques, but honestly, against a giant monster? the man had quite the pair to step up to him hand-to-hand like he did, so i wouldn't be one to call him a coward at all.

Gorthaur
12-09-2008, 03:59 PM
Cowardliness being a legitimate (life) strategy - which it often is, and otherwise it wouldn't have evolved - in no way makes it any less cowardly.

Nik Hasta
12-09-2008, 04:02 PM
Playing devil's advocate.

The pleading for his life bit did come after he was beaten in fair combat, and seems to have been more of a ploy to get the beast to turn his back than anything else. So while it was slightly cowardly, it could also be looked at as a legitimate battle strategy. As for the other two points once again, any professional soldier or warrior worth his salt would say if you can get them in the back before they get you makes for a much easier battle. And normally if you stab someone in the back that clearly outclasses you then you tend to come out alive at the end.

Oh I don't deny the practicality of his actions and I don't think he was coward persay myself but these are the things are considered cowardly that he did off the top of my head.

Sharpandpointies
12-09-2008, 04:07 PM
Oh I don't deny the practicality of his actions and I don't think he was coward persay myself but these are the things are considered cowardly that he did off the top of my head.

Agreed. He did a couple of cowardly things. That doesn't make him an utter coward.

Siriel
12-09-2008, 04:23 PM
Agreed. He did a couple of cowardly things. That doesn't make him an utter coward.

Heck, I'd do the same.

...Actually, no, forget that. I wouldn't have stepped up to begin with. I'd have runned the fuck away.

Gorthaur
12-09-2008, 04:44 PM
In fact, it's a testament to Siriel's cowardice that if you look arefully, his name actually is in the credits.

Sharpandpointies
12-09-2008, 04:46 PM
In fact, it's a testament to Siriel's cowardice that if you look arefully, his name actually is in the credits.

I saw that. Right under 'Lead Grip'.

"Loses Grip: Siriel"

Wjowski
12-09-2008, 04:56 PM
To be fair, Gaston was apparently originally slated to kill himself Admiral Zhao style.

He was still a first-rate jerkass though.