What Are Emma's Real Intentions?

[Optic Rage!]

So, as most of you know by that it seems that Emma has gone **bad** again, or has she?

She is seen in the last page of S.I #8 with the rest of the **evil** Illuminati.

So, is she just playing them? or has she been playing the X-Men all this time?

[Eye in the Sky]

Scott has his X-Force, this is Emma's way of protecting mutant kind I think. She uses her past to get in on what Norman is doing, in order to ensure that mutants don't get a raw deal in this new Dark Reign.

[Prodigy55]

Yeah, I really don't think she's just gone completely evil again.

And if she did, there better be a damn good reason. They haven't spent over 10 years turning her into a good-guy just for her to decide one day to be bad again.

[Mikl C]

The "is emma evil" thing is beyond ridiculous. She's been a good guy longer than she ever was a bad guy. GENERATION X. WE WILL NOT FORGET.

[Grapeweasel]

I dunno.

The Dark Illuminati just doesn't seem like a workable group to me.

[Xplicit Content]

I also doubt this is Emma turning. She's an opportunist and teaming up with the new powers that be in the Marvel U is a smart move from her perspective. Emma is a militant mutant...her primary interest is making sure mutants have a decent standing in society. At least now mutants won't have to worry about mutant registration acts or Setinals.

[Falconen]

Yeah, I don't think Doom would be taking orders from anyone... especially a nutcase like Osborn. Same goes for Namor. Namor and Emma are there to make sure their interests are covered (Atlanteans and Mutants). None of the others have any loyalty to anyone, other than their own agendas.

[yanapryde]

I also doubt this is Emma turning. She's an opportunist and teaming up with the new powers that be in the Marvel U is a smart move from her perspective. Emma is a militant mutant...her primary interest is making sure mutants have a decent standing in society. At least now mutants won't have to worry about mutant registration acts or Setinals.

I second that.
She's an opportunist. Simply, and very well put.

[DeadXMan]

to get some hot lesbian action from Loki

[Omega Alpha]

Somewhere between option 2 and 3. She knows that they either cooperate with Osborn somehow or he'll bring the government against them again, and this time they'll lose.

[Optic Rage!]

How will Scott react when he find's out?

I think he will be proud!

[metalgorgomon]

I wonder whether this **evil** Illuminati is just new secret group, or Emma has been in the group for sometimes already.

I think Emma is trying to put the mutants 'on the map'. The X-Men (and mutants in general) has been in their own buble trying to protect their species and all. Now that Norman is the President's wing man, Emma's might be trying to make Mutants more acceptable to the Government and more integrated to the MU after Dark Reign.

But I'm sure there's more than that...

[lockerogue]

I wonder whether this **evil** Illuminati is just new secret group, or Emma has been in the group for sometimes already.

I think Emma is trying to put the mutants 'on the map'. The X-Men (and mutants in general) has been in their own buble trying to protect their species and all. Now that Norman is the President's wing man, Emma's might be trying to make Mutants more acceptable to the Government and more integrated to the MU after Dark Reign.

But I'm sure there's more than that...

Yeah I agree it has to be just more than that.

[Eye in the Sky]

How will Scott react when he find's out?

I think he will be proud!

It'll be interesting, I don't think he can really get too upset, he's hiding X-Force.

[Optic Rage!]

It'll be interesting, I don't think he can really get too upset, he's hiding X-Force.

I agree.

I can't wait to read that issue.

[Eye in the Sky]

I also doubt this is Emma turning. She's an opportunist and teaming up with the new powers that be in the Marvel U is a smart move from her perspective. Emma is a militant mutant...her primary interest is making sure mutants have a decent standing in society. At least now mutants won't have to worry about mutant registration acts or Setinals.

Yea things will be much better off with Doom, Loki, Namor, The Hood in a secret cabal molding and shaping the Marvel U.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

It's so hard to assume what she's doing this early. Emma has proven her loyalty to the X-Men so as much as I'd like her too, I don't think she's going to turn into a villain again anytime soon.

And @ Mikl. She wasn't a villain long but she was probably one of the more memorable villains during the New Mutants era and I enjoyed reading her there.

[darknessatnoon]

Emma is going to be a much more competent behind the scenes mover and shaker than Xavier ever was with his Illuminati!

I hope she comes to meetings with an agenda; lists of demands. None of this, "So, dude, have you guys heard of this living island?" I hope she orders the immediate death of the Black Panther.

[Eye in the Sky]

Emma is going to be a much more competent behind the scenes mover and shaker than Xavier ever was with his Illuminati!

I hope she comes to meetings with an agenda; lists of demands. None of this, "So, dude, have you guys heard of this living island?" I hope she orders the immediate death of the Black Panther.

Emma brings change and hope to the Dark Illuminati.

[The Black Guardian]

The "is emma evil" thing is beyond ridiculous. She's been a good guy longer than she ever was a bad guy. GENERATION X. WE WILL NOT FORGET.
Meh. Emma was a baddie for 15 years. She hasn't been a goodie quite that long yet. But I do agree that she's not going bad with this.

[darknessatnoon]

Emma brings change and hope to the Dark Illuminati.

I agree. But I think she should bring a secretary to take meeting notes. Since Sage is unavailable, I would like to nominate "Claudine."

[Beast]

As I commented about Emma over in the Secret Invasion thread....

People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that this is Emma returning to her villianous ways. Yet until the Dark Reign One-Shot and Uncanny Annual come out, we really don't have a clue why she's at the meeting. She has a connection with Norman from the Hellfire Club. He may be calling in an old debt. And with Norman as the new Golden Boy Emma's going to have to play nice to safeguard the mutants. After all, Tony was somewhat looking the other way in regard to the X-Men. And he's no longer in power.

And outside of Norman and maybe Loki, nobody there is 100% Evil.

[Mikl C]

Maybe Butter Rum will tie in in some way.

[wolvie616]

As I commented about Emma over in the Secret Invasion thread....

People seem to be jumping to the conclusion that this is Emma returning to her villianous ways. Yet until the Dark Reign One-Shot and Uncanny Annual come out, we really don't have a clue why she's at the meeting. She has a connection with Norman from the Hellfire Club. He may be calling in an old debt. And with Norman as the new Golden Boy Emma's going to have to play nice to safeguard the mutants. After all, Tony was somewhat looking the other way in regard to the X-Men. And he's no longer in power.

And outside of Norman and maybe Loki, nobody there is 100% Evil.

you forget avengers/defenders war

and what about the hood?

[pryde15]

Maybe Butter Rum will tie in in some way.

That would make this entire storyline whimsical.

[Beast]

you forget avengers/defenders war

and what about the hood?
I would consider the power behind The Hood to be Outright Evil.

I wouldn't consider Hood himself to be. Sure he's a criminal, there's no denying that.

[Mikl C]

That would make this entire storyline whimsical.

Is this a negative?

[Omega Alpha]

How will Scott react when he find's out?

I think he will be proud!

That is, if he doesn't know already.

[x_goalkeeper]

It's so hard to assume what she's doing this early. Emma has proven her loyalty to the X-Men so as much as I'd like her too, I don't think she's going to turn into a villain again anytime soon.


I agree with you, we don't know anything other than that she is involving herself, and involving the X-Men as well from what I interpret in the text. I believe it will be more of her being called on for favors owed, and maybe vice versa too.

And I suspect that if the Dark Reign is taken down, she would have a huge role in that :cool:

[just another user]

I bet it's not even Emma. Remember this piece of misinformation?

http://images.comicbookresources.com/previews/marvelcomics/xmen/200/XMEN200covercolRamos.jpg

It looks like Malice to me.

[The Jeeper 2.0]

Its Emma. The solicits for UXM annual #2 and UXM#505 all plan to delve in the back-story of why Emma's there.

[Cam Man]

Everybody there has their own angle for sure. How Hood got into that group of power players is a bit beyond me though. He's just king of the two bit thugs. Hardly on par with Namor representing Atlantais, Doom Latveria, Emma mutants, Norman America and Loki, gods??? Not sure what his deal is these days.

But just a thought. If Emma is in on this big cover up and correct me if I'm wrong but it appears Wolvie is hiding out with the so called and suspected hiding in the shadows out on a lamb Dark Avengers wouldn't that be a conflict of intrest? I can't see how the two can be chummy in San Fran but as soon as they leave become enemies. Course nobody will know Emma is talking to Norman. And maybe nobody will know Wolvie is with the DA. But they'll find out soon enough. Right?

[Maestro]

Emma sees a once in a lifetime opportunity for power and she takes it. So she has to sell her soul to Norman Osborn... whatever. It's not like Scott didn't do the same thing months ago

[Eye in the Sky]

That's Daken in Dark Avengers. Check out the New Avengers #50 cover.

[The Jeeper 2.0]

That's Daken in Dark Avengers. Check out the New Avengers #50 cover.

its kinda hot that Daken is wearing Wolvie's old brown and orange uni.

[just another user]

Its Emma. The solicits for UXM annual #2 and UXM#505 all plan to delve in the back-story of why Emma's there.

I still think it's Malice. She has the same white outfit.

[.LuckyStar.]

LOL. The solicit for the annual was revealed.

UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #2
Written by MATT FRACTION
Pencils by MITCH BREITWEISER & DANIEL ACUÑA
Cover by YANICK PAQUETTE

Emma Frost has never been a simple person, nor has she had a simple past. The Hellfire Club. The Hellions. Generation X. Genosha. But you haven't seen it all. Did you know about her history with Namor? With Tony Stark? With Norman Osborn? The X-Men have often operated on the outside of the Marvel Universe; that stops now and in this annual. Do not miss it.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/935/935702p2.html

[dotdotdot]

i had to put other because i hated those options. her intentions are good, you can count on that, but i don't think it's as simple as her lying and going undercover either.

[AcesX1X]

CENSORED is crazy.

[Affinity]

LOVELY DEVELOPMENT.

Can't wait for Emma to get some fresh new dynamic action in this exciting new setting. YES.

[Cam Man]

Snap! That is Daken! Interesting indeed.

[Swashbuckler]

I think Emma is a pawn. She doesn't plan to betray the X-Men, but her dumbass will make it so the MU can Reign down upon them eventually. Cyclops will get his punishment for banging the bitch.

If not, she really needs to start making relationships int he X-men aside from Beast ( who likes everyone, trish tilby) and Storm (who wanted her lesbian style).

[q.u.e.e.n.]

I think Emma is a pawn. She doesn't plan to betray the X-Men, but her dumbass will make it so the MU can Reign down upon them eventually. Cyclops will get his punishment for banging the bitch.

If not, she really needs to start making relationships int he X-men aside from Beast ( who likes everyone, trish tilby) and Storm (who wanted her lesbian style).

...She's made relationships with Wolverine, most new X-Men, Beast.

Aside from that, I think her being used as a pawn might be a decent idea.

[gorthon616]

LOL. The solicit for the annual was revealed.

UNCANNY X-MEN ANNUAL #2
Written by MATT FRACTION
Pencils by MITCH BREITWEISER & DANIEL ACUÑA
Cover by YANICK PAQUETTE

Emma Frost has never been a simple person, nor has she had a simple past. The Hellfire Club. The Hellions. Generation X. Genosha. But you haven't seen it all. Did you know about her history with Namor? With Tony Stark? With Norman Osborn? The X-Men have often operated on the outside of the Marvel Universe; that stops now and in this annual. Do not miss it.
http://comics.ign.com/articles/935/935702p2.html

Huh. So this Dark Illuminati stuff makes less and less sense now.

[ikeepitblazin]

In all honesty, I feel like the X-Men gave Emma too much influence. They placed her in a perfect position to screw them up. Its about time someone stood up against her.

[mikekerr3]

Yea things will be much better off with Doom, Loki, Namor, The Hood in a secret cabal molding and shaping the Marvel U.

The worst they can do is no worse for the mutants than the government tries regularly, Remember Lazar, the MRA, The 198, Gyrich, Cooper and the Sentinals? To the mutants the difference between the old status quo and the new would not mean much.

I think that Emma is trying to keep the mutants safe and let the bigoted psycopaths that seem to make up the majority of the MU population lately go to hell since they seem to prefer it. Osborn leaves SF alone and the mutants are fine.

[Yogaflame]

As nice as some the Gen X moments were and Morrison's A-game, Emma is an evil, selfish manipulator. Period. Point. Blank. I really hope this house of cards called Emma and Scott's X-Men crumbles to the ground in flames! And Emma was a villian from 1980-1994, like hardcore, mind-raping, horse-killing, evil villian. The Gen X days were nice, but she always was morally ambiguous and ended the series by killing her sister. 2001 brought Morrison's penultimate "good" Emma, which has lasted to the present. So really, 14 years of hardcore villiany, 6/7 icy headmistress, 7 of X-man. Even if you lump the Gen X years with the X-Men years, the scale still balances towards evil. :evilsmile:

[ClanAskani]

I've always thought Emma's motivation for joining the X-Men was her own self preservation - that it's better to be in a group than on her own. She doesn't share the same ideals as the X-Men, other than protecting mutants includes protecting herself.

And she'll do whatever is in mutants' - and her own - best interest.

[x_goalkeeper]

I've always thought Emma's motivation for joining the X-Men was her own self preservation - that it's better to be in a group than on her own. She doesn't share the same ideals as the X-Men, other than protecting mutants includes protecting herself.

And she'll do whatever is in mutants' - and her own - best interest.

You have Emma described pretty well. The X-Men should feel confident even if knowing she'll be interacting with mostly evil ones in the Dark Reign.

[Red Savina]

I think her intentions will undoubtedly be good either way. Working with or playing the bad guys--I believe she will be doing this for mutantkind.

As much as I'd like Emma to be a deliciously evil villain again, it just wouldn't make sense at this very moment.

[Twisted Bliss]

As nice as some the Gen X moments were and Morrison's A-game, Emma is an evil, selfish manipulator. Period. Point. Blank. I really hope this house of cards called Emma and Scott's X-Men crumbles to the ground in flames! And Emma was a villian from 1980-1994, like hardcore, mind-raping, horse-killing, evil villian. The Gen X days were nice, but she always was morally ambiguous and ended the series by killing her sister. 2001 brought Morrison's penultimate "good" Emma, which has lasted to the present. So really, 14 years of hardcore villiany, 6/7 icy headmistress, 7 of X-man. Even if you lump the Gen X years with the X-Men years, the scale still balances towards evil. :evilsmile:

Yep I'm with you on this.

Since Marvel are so fond of their Retcons let them retcon her into having been ‘rewired’ by Jean into really loving Scott rather than just cynically manipulating him. Somehow this ‘rewiring’ is broken and she feels betrayed, hurt and vengeful against the seX-men. Allowing her to return to her evil, nasty, manipulative ways of old. The way she should be.

[ExodusCloak]

Emma Frost is the Queen of mutantkind...there I said it. :evilsmile:

That said she's not going evil, she's there because this is what she's best at and Emma likes to have many, many contingency plans...this is the best way to expand her influence.

Sage should attend meetings as well. New Exiles is over I'd love to see Sage appear as her assistant.

[ExodusCloak]

Edit double post.*

[Twisted Bliss]

Emma Frost is the Queen of mutantkind...there I said it. :evilsmile:

That said she's not going evil, she's there because this is what she's best at and Emma likes to have many, many contingency plans...this is the best way to expand her influence.

Sage should attend meetings as well. New Exiles is over I'd love to see Sage appear as her assistant.

Are you mad.

Sage and Emma in the same book. That much Fag Hag in one book and they might cancel each other out.

Two wrongs do not make a right !

[f4faith]

As nice as some the Gen X moments were and Morrison's A-game, Emma is an evil, selfish manipulator. Period. Point. Blank. I really hope this house of cards called Emma and Scott's X-Men crumbles to the ground in flames! And Emma was a villian from 1980-1994, like hardcore, mind-raping, horse-killing, evil villian. The Gen X days were nice, but she always was morally ambiguous and ended the series by killing her sister. 2001 brought Morrison's penultimate "good" Emma, which has lasted to the present. So really, 14 years of hardcore villiany, 6/7 icy headmistress, 7 of X-man. Even if you lump the Gen X years with the X-Men years, the scale still balances towards evil. :evilsmile:

I agree but Marvel will NOT make their little pet look too bad. She will end up just doing it for mutants or heaven forbid Scott since she's become so nice and with a heart of gold since she "fell in love with him". When someone can explain to me how she went from torturing subordnants and loving it to suddenly just playing kinky mind sex games with Scott and not call that a complete character overhaul then I might feel different. Gen X Emma at least was still a vicious user out for her self to make her feel good for protecting but using kids despite being on the "good side" compared to Morrison's white washed devoted girlfriend we've gotten since. I loved Gen X Emma - she could be great in Dark Reign and she's used mutants too to gain her status but X-Men Emma just annoys me.

[streator]

i think that she's partly doing it for her own reasons and partly doing it for the sake of mutantkind, which is pretty much how she's done everything since generation x (aside from falling in love with scott).

i can see this being a problem between her and scott, though. as would x-force.

[Jmacq1]

She's there to protect mutantkind's interests. No more, no less. She's leveraging her current and past relationships to get into the group (though honestly, it makes perfect sense for Norman to call her), and if dealing with these folks can keep them off the X-Men's back, then great. Nothing to do with "going evil"...everyone at that table is there to protect their own interests, and mutantkind is Emma's interest.

The Bendis interview on Newsarama lays it out fairly clearly: This is basically Osborn saying "I throw you guys a bone and let you have some say in things, maybe help you out here and there and make sure your enemies are having a hard time of things, and in return you folks stay quiet when I need you to be quiet so I can continue looking like I'm doing a bang-up job of this "protecting everybody" thing."

[mikekerr3]

She's there to protect mutantkind's interests. No more, no less. She's leveraging her current and past relationships to get into the group (though honestly, it makes perfect sense for Norman to call her), and if dealing with these folks can keep them off the X-Men's back, then great. Nothing to do with "going evil"...everyone at that table is there to protect their own interests, and mutantkind is Emma's interest.

The Bendis interview on Newsarama lays it out fairly clearly: This is basically Osborn saying "I throw you guys a bone and let you have some say in things, maybe help you out here and there and make sure your enemies are having a hard time of things, and in return you folks stay quiet when I need you to be quiet so I can continue looking like I'm doing a bang-up job of this "protecting everybody" thing."


I think you have it down perfectly, Emmahasn't been a villian for years. She has been teacher and protector for longer than she has been a villian.

I think some folks here are just jealous because they have the hots for scott, or a necrophiliac's lust for Jean. That the only reason I can think of for some of the bile.

[MartinRedmond]

I think some folks here are just jealous because they have the hots for scott, or a necrophiliac's lust for Jean. That the only reason I can think of for some of the bile.

Or that, they have life experience? Manipulators don't change unless they have something to gain from it. Or if they're fictional characters who change at the writers whim.

[ExodusCloak]

Are you mad.

Sage and Emma in the same book. That much Fag Hag in one book and they might cancel each other out.

Two wrongs do not make a right !

Ah but what you don't realize is that we have it-Loki to balance it out.

[ExodusCloak]

NRAMA: Namor kind of walks the line between both sides, doesn't he?

BMB: Yeah, and he always has. He does whatever's best for him and his kingdom. I love the relationship between him and Doom. I always have. The only change that was made from the original pitch was that Magneto was not available. So we sat down and thought, who would replace Magneto? And the idea of Emma was brought up -- I think Fraction said Emma. And that's not something I would have suggested unless an X-writer suggested it. Emma now becomes the most interesting person in that room. Now, it's like, why is Emma in that room? And Matt and I have been working diligently to produce some really interesting stuff for her. So when you read Secret Invasion: Dark Reign, I actually rewrote it to be from her point of view, because I think her point of view is the most interesting. The initial meeting of the group will be seen through her eyes. I had the meeting set, but when Emma became part of it, it just became that much more interesting. So now Emma's the one who has to make some hard choices.

NRAMA: So we'll get to hear what's going on inside her head?
ENLARGE IMAGE

BMB: Absolutely. From page one of Dark Reign Special. Because we know what Doom wants, we know what Namor wants, we know what Loki wants, we know what everybody else wants. But Emma has wants as well. And is she willing to go this far to make them happen, in this climate?

And I'd like to publicly speak to Joss Whedon, whom I haven't spoken to about this. I'd like to tell Joss, I'm not going to undo all the work you did to make her awesome.

I heart Fraction and Bendis and Whedon!!!

[Eye in the Sky]

I think you have it down perfectly, Emmahasn't been a villian for years. She has been teacher and protector for longer than she has been a villian.

I think some folks here are just jealous because they have the hots for scott, or a necrophiliac's lust for Jean. That the only reason I can think of for some of the bile.

This from a guy who takes Iron Man's actions personal and saw God in the pages of a Spider-Man comic book, yea credible.

[MartinRedmond]

Anyway, Emma joined cause she can't resist a power saussage party.

[AN0LE]

As for Emma being a pawn... I highly doubt she is that incompetent to NOT figure it out if that was the case. She is a HUGE opportunist. Plain and simple. Being that Tony Stark was all for the mutants registering with the Initiative and whatnot, I am sure Emma sees this as the perfect jumping on point to make her voice heard and see to it that the rights of mutants are not trifled with. I highly doubt she is turning evil. Scott has his share of nasty, little secrets as well. That doesn't mean he is a "pawn" or "going evil". He is just making sure that mutants are protected as they are a dying breed.

[darknessatnoon]

Are you mad.

Sage and Emma in the same book. That much Fag Hag in one book and they might cancel each other out.

Two wrongs do not make a right !

Sage is not a fag hag. In general, I find your views and interpretations offensive. But this is going way beyond ... It's open trolling.

[AcesX1X]

Are you mad.

Sage and Emma in the same book. That much Fag Hag in one book and they might cancel each other out.

Two wrongs do not make a right !

*gasp*

REPORTED.

[Beast]

NRAMA: Namor kind of walks the line between both sides, doesn't he?

BMB: Yeah, and he always has. He does whatever's best for him and his kingdom. I love the relationship between him and Doom. I always have. The only change that was made from the original pitch was that Magneto was not available. So we sat down and thought, who would replace Magneto? And the idea of Emma was brought up -- I think Fraction said Emma. And that's not something I would have suggested unless an X-writer suggested it. Emma now becomes the most interesting person in that room. Now, it's like, why is Emma in that room? And Matt and I have been working diligently to produce some really interesting stuff for her. So when you read Secret Invasion: Dark Reign, I actually rewrote it to be from her point of view, because I think her point of view is the most interesting. The initial meeting of the group will be seen through her eyes. I had the meeting set, but when Emma became part of it, it just became that much more interesting. So now Emma's the one who has to make some hard choices.

NRAMA: So we'll get to hear what's going on inside her head?
ENLARGE IMAGE

BMB: Absolutely. From page one of Dark Reign Special. Because we know what Doom wants, we know what Namor wants, we know what Loki wants, we know what everybody else wants. But Emma has wants as well. And is she willing to go this far to make them happen, in this climate?

And I'd like to publicly speak to Joss Whedon, whom I haven't spoken to about this. I'd like to tell Joss, I'm not going to undo all the work you did to make her awesome.

I heart Fraction and Bendis and Whedon!!!
Thanks for posting that. Can't wait for the One-Shot now. Sounds damn good.

[ExodusCloak]

Thanks for posting that. Can't wait for the One-Shot now. Sounds damn good.

Here's the rest of the interview:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/120805-Bendis-Dark-Reign.html

[Optic Rage!]

I agree but Marvel will NOT make their little pet look too bad. She will end up just doing it for mutants or heaven forbid Scott since she's become so nice and with a heart of gold since she "fell in love with him". When someone can explain to me how she went from torturing subordnants and loving it to suddenly just playing kinky mind sex games with Scott and not call that a complete character overhaul then I might feel different. Gen X Emma at least was still a vicious user out for her self to make her feel good for protecting but using kids despite being on the "good side" compared to Morrison's white washed devoted girlfriend we've gotten since. I loved Gen X Emma - she could be great in Dark Reign and she's used mutants too to gain her status but X-Men Emma just annoys me.

You are coming off a tad bitter, you know that right?

Or if they're fictional characters who change at the writers whim.

Which some people really don't seem to be able to wrap their minds around.

Anyway, i personally think this is a great development for Emma, she has not really had her own exciting story line for quite some time now.

[ExodusCloak]

It makes things between Scott & Emma pretty interesting right about now.

Scott: Emma there's something I need to tell you...I've assembled my own Black Ops team...

Emma: Oh is that all dear...we'll talk later I'm helping that ghastly looking creature Loki with it's new wadrobe.

[Mia]

I went with:
She is playing the bad guys, she's gone undercover to discover their plans!

I just can't believe she has no care for humans. Yes mutants are a priority with her. But I really can't see her just standing back and allowing needless harm come to humans. She's harsh but she's not a monster.

[We R. Venom]

It seems the X-universe is gonna finally be intertwined with the Marvel U, come the uncanny annual #2. I actually like that. But I really dont know what to think of Emma. Theyve spent a decade nearly to make her good. I'm sure there must be a good reason she is this cabal. I hope.

[The Fury]

She's more manipulative then Xavier and they shun him out. I think she's going to slowly dissolve the X-men without her knowning. So far she's taken out Kitty (her rival), now for the rest.

[mikekerr3]

I went with:
She is playing the bad guys, she's gone undercover to discover their plans!

I just can't believe she has no care for humans. Yes mutants are a priority with her. But I really can't see her just standing back and allowing needless harm come to humans. She's harsh but she's not a monster.

After the The Sentinels, the MRA and the 198 and the threats from Stark, why would Emma want to help people of another species who mostly seem to be murderous bigots, who would be glad if the "Muties" disappeared.

How many times you get to try the final solution on somebodies friends before they don't own you anything? Once would seem to be enough, but even saints would put humans a far second now.

[Scavenger]

As much as I'd like Emma to be a deliciously evil villain again, it just wouldn't make sense at this very moment.


When was this? What fantasies have you created that Emma was ever some great villain? She was at most a reoccurring antagonist.

[The Thunderbird]

Is it possible she could become a villain for good reasons for mutant kind, but not for humans? Like Magneto?

[Scavenger]

Thanks for posting that. Can't wait for the One-Shot now. Sounds damn good.

Despite interviews with fan pleasing comments, it's still written by Bendis.

[ExodusCloak]

Despite interviews with fan pleasing comments, it's still written by Bendis.

Bendis loves Emma though.

[Atom_basher]

Meh. Emma was a baddie for 15 years. She hasn't been a goodie quite that long yet. But I do agree that she's not going bad with this.

generation x came out in 94, that was 14 years ago, not only that, wasnt emma good BEFORE generation x?


adding to that, if Emma DOES infact turn out to be evil, its just a case of Bendis getting his way and changing things AGAIN

[ExodusCloak]

generation x came out in 94, that was 14 years ago, not only that, wasnt emma good BEFORE generation x?

Uncanny X-Men 314 was the true turn. But she was allied with the X-Men before that though when Mags became Grey Kind and the Sentinels attacked and she placed herself in psychic coma in order to survive.

[x_goalkeeper]

Is it possible she could become a villain for good reasons for mutant kind, but not for humans? Like Magneto?

I think lately it is more possible for Scott to be that way than Emma :eek:

[ExodusCloak]

The most interesting thing about the Secret Invasion: Dark Reign one-shot is that it's being written from Emma's perspective so some of these questions should be made clear next week.

[darknessatnoon]

Can't we just reach a compromise.

Emma is evil, we all know that deep down.

On the other hand, she does the right thing most of the time. She fights her nature, and pragmatism is the accord she has reached between her ethics and the perverse core of her being.

She isn't just evil. She practices radical (http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Evil-Philosophical-Richard-Bernstein/dp/0745629547) evil (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/185984006X/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=).

[ExodusCloak]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html

...preview 9 pages :frown:

[darknessatnoon]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html

...preview 9 pages :frown:

Emma is leader of the X-Men! Where is deniseXfrost to gloat when you need her?

[ExodusCloak]

Emma is leader of the X-Men! Where is deniseXfrost to gloat when you need her?

Doom is always right. He treated Ms. Marvel like trash and both himself and Namor mouthed off at Storm.

[x_goalkeeper]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html

...preview 9 pages :frown:

Why sad face? I thought it was very interesting, liked where Emma showed the Hood who he's dealing with :cool:

[Leirus]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html

...preview 9 pages :frown:

When became Namor a super-hormonated trucker?

And... I do not know if I like where is this going... with Scott a kind of generl of an army and Emma about to make a pact with the devil to ensure mutant security...

[Eye in the Sky]

Interesting that Norman wouldn't give it to Cyclops...I like that preview, I might have to get it.

[Eye in the Sky]

When became Namor a super-hormonated trucker?

And... I do not know if I like where is this going... with Scott a kind of generl of an army and Emma about to make a pact with the devil to ensure mutant security...

I know right? It's gonna be a great story, regardless of if you agree with the characters actions.

[RafiShai]

That preview looks really good, I think I'll get this.

Also, that thing that Emma pulled with the Hood? That was really cool. And he had it coming for a long time. Too bad she didn't make him splatter his brain across the room... Would've been fun!

I can't see Scott making a path of Osborn, he probably knows better. Which is why Emma was chosen. She isn't evil.


..Yet.

[ExodusCloak]

Why sad face? I thought it was very interesting, liked where Emma showed the Hood who he's dealing with :cool:

I'm sad about Namor...he seems a bit lets say odd...

But it looks interesting, Bendis's voice for Ems though changes..it's slightly cringey but that's a minor complaint. She might know about Doramamu now that she's read the Hoods mind.

[darknessatnoon]

Doom is always right. He treated Ms. Marvel like trash and both himself and Namor mouthed off at Storm.

Ms. Marvel is trash.

Namor is drawn to look like ... Bendis!

[ExodusCloak]

Ms. Marvel is trash.!

I must get your opinion on Moonstone.

[darknessatnoon]

I must get your opinion on Moonstone.

I love Moonstone. She's brilliant. I can't get enough of her conniving and vengeful ways. I look forward to her decision to target Ms. Marvel. Identity theft is definitely the way to go.

[x_goalkeeper]

Another thing I noticed was a reference to Emma's survivor guilt in her dream with Kitty calling out to her. Wow, I must get this issue quickly.

[darknessatnoon]

Another thing I noticed was a reference to Emma's survivor guilt in her dream with Kitty calling out to her. Wow, I must get this issue quickly.

That was the bad part of the preview.

Obviously, she's going to overcome it by the end of the issue and will never think of Kitty again.

[jarrod]

The preview was LOL. I need to read more comics with DOOM in them.

[ExodusCloak]

I love Moonstone. She's brilliant. I can't get enough of her conniving and vengeful ways. I look forward to her decision to target Ms. Marvel. Identity theft is definitely the way to go.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Is UXM #505 coming out next week as well? This scene and the nightmares might be from that.

[Yogaflame]

Bitch please, Doom was grovelling at Storm's feet when they first met, Namor too. Do we need another Uncanny 201? Does Ororo have to burst the silicone fun bags with a nice pressure differiential?

Anyways, this artist does a terrible Namor. He's supposed to look majestic and charming, not like an old, balding Ashkenazi New Yorker.

[ExodusCloak]

Bitch please, Doom was grovelling at Storm's feet when they first met, Namor too. Do we need another Uncanny 201? Does Ororo have to burst the silicone fun bags with a nice pressure differiential?

Anyways, this artist does a terrible Namor. He's supposed to look majestic and charming, not like an old, balding Ashkenazi New Yorker.

That was a Doombot...that was over Storm. And it was dysfunctional and it was not even a combat Doombot it was one of the lesser versions. And I'm being serious Claremont pissed off the wrong writer.

http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fantasticfour25806pj8.jpg

[darknessatnoon]

Bitch please, Doom was grovelling at Storm's feet when they first met, Namor too. Do we need another Uncanny 201? Does Ororo have to burst the silicone fun bags with a nice pressure differiential?

Anyways, this artist does a terrible Namor. He's supposed to look majestic and charming, not like an old, balding Ashkenazi New Yorker.

This kind of bitterness and gall can't be good for your chakras. Sounds to me like it's time for you to haul your ass out to the bikram sweat lodge and get back into 'alignment.'

[Cruelly_Innocent]

I think that the thing that surprised me the most was...How Ugly namor looks

I mean...c'mon!! He looks terrible....when the Hood is looking better than you....not good

[ExodusCloak]

I think that the thing that surprised me the most was...How Ugly namor looks

I mean...c'mon!! He looks terrible....when the Hood is looking better than you....not good

Norman Osbourne went for Botox.

[Cruelly_Innocent]

Norman Osbourne went for Botox.

Is the artist doing both Pencils and cover?

Cuz Namor doesn't look sooooo craptastic on the cover....he went from handsome prince to...well...Stan Lee is looking better these days :wink:

[nikbackm]

Horrible thought...

What if Emma joins to get some help rescuing Kitty from the bullet? Doom or the Hood (Dormammu) should be able to do it.

[ExodusCloak]

Horrible thought...

What if Emma joins to get some help rescuing Kitty from the bullet? Doom or the Hood (Dormammu) should be able to do it.

Maybe she'll wants to rescue Kitty so she can kill her, herself...:tongue:

You could probably compile a list...there's also the fact that when that stupid bird rears it's ugly head again the others could probably help.

Sage needs to be there so she can record every meeting and then write a best seller 10 years later.

[darknessatnoon]

Horrible thought...

What if Emma joins to get some help rescuing Kitty from the bullet? Doom or the Hood (Dormammu) should be able to do it.

I think Emma has more important priorities.

[Pach!]

LOL I too was about to post that Namor looks like Bendis.

And I loved Emma /The Hood.

[just another user]

What Are Emma's Real Intentions?

Sex with Cyclops?

[darknessatnoon]

Sex with Cyclops?

Sex with Doom.

[Maestro]

I want to know what Professor Xavier feels about this.

[just another user]

I want to know what Professor Xavier feels about this.

Good Idea. I propose an ongoing series about his thoughts and feelings w/r/t the matter.

[ExodusCloak]

Sex with Doom.

If that happens Mantis's whole Celestial Madonna snikt will be ruined.

[tore_a_bore_a]

Cyclops put Emma up to this. The Avengers are going to find out that Cyke and Emma are working with Norman Osborne, leading to an X-men versus Avengers big event.

[ExodusCloak]

Cyclops put Emma up to this. The Avengers are going to find out that Cyke and Emma are working with Norman Osborne, leading to an X-men versus Avengers big event.

I don't think Cyclops wants anything to do with a society that is associated with the person who put T'Challa in a tube and left Storm in tears.

[marvell2100]

Emma's real intentions:

To crush her enemies.
To see them driven before her.
To her the lamentations of the women.

[Omega Alpha]

I don't think Cyclops wants anything to do with a society that is associated with the person who put T'Challa in a tube and left Storm in tears.

Huh, I'm thinking Scott would love to be a part of that. :biggrin:

[x_goalkeeper]

Huh, I'm thinking Scott would love to be a part of that. :biggrin:

What are you doing here, is there not a Root of All Evil thread you should be posting to? :rolleyes:

[Omega Alpha]

Here's the preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html)for the Dark Reign special. Clearly shows that Emma hasn't suddenly become evil.

[darknessatnoon]

Here's the preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html)for the Dark Reign special. Clearly shows that Emma hasn't suddenly become evil.

That's what we've all been discussing.

[Mia]

After the The Sentinels, the MRA and the 198 and the threats from Stark, why would Emma want to help people of another species who mostly seem to be murderous bigots, who would be glad if the "Muties" disappeared.

How many times you get to try the final solution on somebodies friends before they don't own you anything? Once would seem to be enough, but even saints would put humans a far second now.

I'm not an expert on the entire Marvel History. However I don't remember reading anything that comes close or that is akin to [The Nazis] 'Final Solution'. As do any of the examples you mentioned above come even remotely close to the Final Solution. Emma's a realist and a pragmatist. She's not going to blame an entire citizenry for passages by a few politicians. That would be absurd.


And like I mentioned on another thread. If what you've mentioned really is Emma's philosophy, then she has no business with the X-Men. She should be working alongside Magneto.

[Mia]

Here's the preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html)for the Dark Reign special. Clearly shows that Emma hasn't suddenly become evil.


Emma and Namor's dialogue sounds wonky. I'm used to them sounding more smug and pompous.

[darknessatnoon]

Emma and Namor's dialogue sounds wonky. I'm used to them sounding more smug and pompous.

Emma was too turned on my Doom to play her usual tune. Namor's not so smug when he's shrunk a couple of feet, gone bald and gained 80 pounds.

[dangil_666]

Its basically keep your friends close and your enemies closer

[Mia]

Emma was too turned on my Doom to play her usual tune. Namor's not so smug when he's shrunk a couple of feet, gone bald and gained 80 pounds.

I capisce!

[DeniseXfrost]

Benids! "Yeak okay" is not Emma's choice of words.
Emma is leader of the X-Men! Where is deniseXfrost to gloat when you need her?

:evilsmile:

[AcesX1X]

...


why do you continue to shun the cres?

[DeniseXfrost]

why do you continue to shun the cres?
Mon amie, i'm really busy with work and school these days...couldn't even have time for one night stand.

[AcesX1X]

Mon amie, i'm really busy with work and school these days...couldn't even have time for one night stand.

UGH, well....your presence is sorely missed. LOLOLOL about the one night stand tho.

[psychic_therapy]

Emma's there because of a friend making calls for old favors, but in the end I bet she takes the whole Illuminaughty down. I don't see her taking it over though.

[mikekerr3]

Emma's real intentions:

To crush her enemies.
To see them driven before her.
To her the lamentations of the women.


I glad that she is so strongly on the Mutants side then

[mikekerr3]

I'm not an expert on the entire Marvel History. However I don't remember reading anything that comes close or that is akin to [The Nazis] 'Final Solution'. As do any of the examples you mentioned above come even remotely close to the Final Solution. Emma's a realist and a pragmatist. She's not going to blame an entire citizenry for passages by a few politicians. That would be absurd.

What is a valid purpose for the MRA except bigotry and to "control' a certain group of citizens that are different. That was not just a few corrupt politicians It too majorities in both houses and the presidents signature. thas not a final solution though more like making sure the ghetto is convenient organized for a Pogrom

Putting a murderous bigot in charge of the 198's security.

Putting kill switches in Mutants before they were allowed to leave the mansion.

The original goal of Project Wide Awake was not a final solution to the
Super-hero problem it was to kill off the mutants.

How may times has the government sent Sentenels out to kill over the last 40 years.

And in the current time frame Stark has been threatening the X-men and a goverment agent, who was involved, in Wide Awake's planning is extorting the X-factor

Once is an accident, twice a coincident, and the third time is ENEMY action, it's probably been hundred of attack in the books with no provocation but bigotry, there was even one in Manifest destiny this issue, some more attacks by bigots last month.

I don't think that Emma blames the public for any more than electing a continuous stream of bigots to the MU White House and allowing their government to act that way. You elect a bigot to office once that a honest mistake, do it time after time and that shows intent.

I Don't think she means them any harm I just think that they are anywhere near the top of her list of people to protect.

The Human heroes stay well out of they way when the Mutants need help like with the MRA, so it would look like they don't care either.


And like I mentioned on another thread. If what you've mentioned really is Emma's philosophy, then she has no business with the X-Men. She should be working alongside Magneto.

If it comes down to a choice on who Emma can protect do you actually think that she should choose to help another species instead of her own? Protect towns where she is hated or the town where she is welcomed.

Have you read X-force, her boy friend sends them out to ensure that mutants can survive they do that by torture and killing.

They play by modified jungle rules now, they try to minimize damage but if they get lax for just moment their species may just be gone in that moment.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Emma is working for... Emma. Seriously her agenda is always purely her own, for her own ends.

It's just when these daft things like.... feelings... get in the way, there's a problem. :wink:

[Omega Alpha]

From the previews, you can see that Emma's "agenda" was non-existent. She was simply called up to be there and went without really knowing what was the reason. What she does next is what we'll have to see.

[x_goalkeeper]

From the previews, you can see that Emma's "agenda" was non-existent. She was simply called up to be there and went without really knowing what was the reason. What she does next is what we'll have to see.

None of them knew the agenda except for Osborn. But all of them went for some reason, I think all of them could have refused. Like you said though, we will see what Emma does next :biggrin:

[McClarenDesign]

Since reading the Phalanx Covenant, I still have yet to be convinced that she's got the best of intentions.

[Mia]

Benids! "Yeak okay" is not Emma's choice of words.


:evilsmile:

That's why I said her dialogue sounds wonky. I expected Emma to say:

"Oh please! Why the hell would I want to look inside your head? I'm sure there's nothing there"
"Don't flatter yourself"
"Whatever! As if I would waste my time!"


What is a valid purpose for the MRA except bigotry and to "control' a certain group of citizens that are different. That was not just a few corrupt politicians It too majorities in both houses and the presidents signature. thas not a final solution though more like making sure the ghetto is convenient organized for a Pogrom

Putting a murderous bigot in charge of the 198's security.

Putting kill switches in Mutants before they were allowed to leave the mansion.

The original goal of Project Wide Awake was not a final solution to the
Super-hero problem it was to kill off the mutants.

How may times has the government sent Sentenels out to kill over the last 40 years.

And in the current time frame Stark has been threatening the X-men and a goverment agent, who was involved, in Wide Awake's planning is extorting the X-factor.


Your reasoning is simplistic. All the so-called controls of mutants/superheroes. Came about as a result of some sort of superhero based calamity on the general population. It was not enacted just arbitrarily. They were all introduced as a means and way of protecting the public.
And it’s not as if all mutants are altruistic.




Once is an accident, twice a coincident, and the third time is ENEMY action, it's probably been hundred of attack in the books with no provocation but bigotry, there was even one in Manifest destiny this issue, some more attacks by bigots last month.

I don't think that Emma blames the public for any more than electing a continuous stream of bigots to the MU White House and allowing their government to act that way. You elect a bigot to office once that a honest mistake, do it time after time and that shows intent.

Respectfully, this sounds like a load of hyperbole. People vote for elected officials due to a majority of reasons. Not just a single one. Just because they voted for a politician does not automatically mean they hate mutants.



I Don't think she means them any harm I just think that they are anywhere near the top of her list of people to protect.

The Human heroes stay well out of they way when the Mutants need help like with the MRA, so it would look like they don't care either.

If it comes down to a choice on who Emma can protect do you actually think that she should choose to help another species instead of her own? Protect towns where she is hated or the town where she is welcomed. .


That’s right. If it comes down to a choice whether or not to save a human and a mutant. Of course she would save mutants first. But if she had the chance to save a human being in need. I have no doubt that she would step in and do so.

Because if that is Emma hates human beings to the point where she would idly stand by and allow them to die when she could proffer assistance. Then she should be working alongside Magneto. She has no business whatsoever on the X-Men.



Have you read X-force, her boy friend sends them out to ensure that mutants can survive they do that by torture and killing.

They play by modified jungle rules now, they try to minimize damage but if they get lax for just moment their species may just be gone in that moment.


Yes I am reading X-Force. However that team is aimed at striking deadly threats against mutants who have made no secret about their hatred and desire to kills mutants. But there is a big difference between stopping a potential and known threat in its’ path. And deciding to kill all human beings.

[marvell2100]

I glad that she is so strongly on the Mutants side then

Emma is only on her side. If it benefits mutants then it's a good side effect.

[Kirayoshi]

I think Emma put it best herself in AXM #2 when she told Kitty, "Being an X-Man means a great deal to me, but it doesn't always agree with me."

By this time next year, I suspect that the X-Men proper may be considering a change of leadership, especially if Scott approved of Emma's working alongside Osborn, Loki and Doom.

[Spiffy]

Emma and Namor's dialogue sounds wonky. I'm used to them sounding more smug and pompous.

Why does Namor look like a middle aged hobo in that?
(not that Emma looks all that great either)

Whoever that artist is... he or she should be shot.

[Bamf25]

OK now that I have read Dark, I have a question and maybe a theory about Emma and Kitty. Was this just Emma dreaming, or was she picking up some thought projections from Kitty. If it is the latter, does this tie in to how Norman kept asking Emma what she wanted and she was the only one not to respond, and Normy then spent alot of time trying to convince Emma she was like the rest of them. Now if losing Kitty is seen by Emma as another failure (like her original hellions), and from these "voices" she realizes Kitty is alive may she ask Normy to get kitty back. Remeber it was Stark and Mr Fantastic that kinda blew the X-men off when they asked for help. Now is Norm figures out a way to get it back and she makes this her wish, what does she then owe him?

[x_goalkeeper]

OK now that I have read Dark, I have a question and maybe a theory about Emma and Kitty. Was this just Emma dreaming, or was she picking up some thought projections from Kitty. If it is the latter, does this tie in to how Norman kept asking Emma what she wanted and she was the only one not to respond, and Normy then spent alot of time trying to convince Emma she was like the rest of them. Now if losing Kitty is seen by Emma as another failure (like her original hellions), and from these "voices" she realizes Kitty is alive may she ask Normy to get kitty back. Remeber it was Stark and Mr Fantastic that kinda blew the X-men off when they asked for help. Now is Norm figures out a way to get it back and she makes this her wish, what does she then owe him?

I think it was dreaming, if it were possible to pick up thought projections maybe they can actually work on rescuing Kitty :confused:

I think the answer to the rest of your questions may be answered in the X-Men Annual that is coming soon.

[Karthak]

Here's the preview (http://comics.ign.com/articles/936/936085p1.html)for the Dark Reign special. Clearly shows that Emma hasn't suddenly become evil.

Ye gods! I thought people were exaggerating when they said Namor looked horrible...

[Scavenger]

Remeber it was Stark and Mr Fantastic that kinda blew the X-men off when they asked for help. Now is Norm figures out a way to get it back and she makes this her wish, what does she then owe him?

I will grant it's been a while since I read the issue, but I recall Reed and Tony standing they're drooling like idiots just like every other character to let Whedon's POS story work.

It's possible I've just forgotten.

Like how Emma forgot her personality and powers in this "story".

[x_goalkeeper]

Ye gods! I thought people were exaggerating when they said Namor looked horrible...

Namor really stands out, not because he is drawn with bright colors :biggrin: