How would you go about fixing each of these characters?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

The characters listed below are the most hated characters in the entire X-Verse fandom. IYO, what would need to be done or how would you go about fixing each of these characters until they're at least at Storm/Cyclops-level popularity?

Serious discussion. This is not a full revision and each of their full histories up until this point are still intact. This is more like a revamp. Through the use of story progression starting from their current status quo, what tweaks would be needed in their character, designs, personalities and abilities?

Maggot -

Longshot -

Stacy X -

Thunderbird III -

Mojo -

Marrow -

Slipstream -

Lifeguard -

[Monty_Cristo]

i'd make them Shortpack.

[Justin K.]

Maggot - Two words, secondary mutation, something cool too

Longshot - lose the mullet and a new costume is my only recommendation, after that, he's good. :smile:

Thunderbird III - A different codename and not dating Betsy, he and karima would make a better couple.

Mojo - Mojoverse needs more cyborgs and less kidnapping X-men and making X-babies, that is so pedo (X-babies)

Marrow - make her more like Feral :tongue:

[Congo Jack]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8003055']Maggot -
Maggott doesn't need fixed, he just needs brought back to life - hopefully Mike Carey can get around to this soon. Maggott is never going to be on Cyclops-level popularity, nor are any of the other characters on the list. I'd play up Maggott flirting with any and every X-Woman; his friendship with Wolverine - I'd quite like him to join in the fun that is Logan-Kurt-Peter.

For his design, Maggott isn't much of the costume type, so maybe put him in a less clunky and Morrison-inspired redesign of what he was wearing when he joined the X-Men.

[KestralIV]

Maggot - Two words, secondary mutation, something cool too

According to Wikipedia he already has a secondary mutation that allows him to draw psychic imprints from his envoirnment

[Novaya Havoc]

Maggot - perpetual death.

Longshot - Death.

Stacy X - A miniseries team-up with Monet.

Thunderbird III - Ditch the codename and have a gay MAX series with Rictor.

Mojo - Death.

Marrow - Death.

Slipstream - SuperDeath.

Lifeguard - UltraDeath.

[Prodigy55]

Thunderbird III - Ditch the codename and have a gay MAX series with Rictor.


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[Novaya Havoc]

I approve of this statement. Where do I sign?

You can sign on at XTube.

[Wind-Breaker]

Stacy X - A miniseries team-up with Monet.


Genius :biggrin:

[rifleman101]

Make Slipstream less emo about his sister.

[Washout]

Lifeguard is the sister. . .

Stacy X - give her her powers back and make her more like she was under Casey. She's more experienced in superheroing now, so she won't needto be a PV character.

Marrow - Bring her back to the X-men. Make her pretty yet still slightly antagonistic, similarly to how Tieri handled her, but a hero.

Maggott - Bring him back to life. That's all that needs to be done.

[Tobias March]

Maggot - Well along with Stacy, Maggot's main 'image problem', is that he's very dead. Or at least we've been strongly led to believe that's the case. For too long he was left off-panel undeveloped, so his death was an easily affordable throwaway one.

I say strengthen the ties between Black Panther and Storm (look that marriage isn't going away, so lets just use it) by having Wakanda form it's own team of African mutants and superheroes. Ellis has introduced the idea of Chinese X-Men, what of African Avengers-like team. Include Storm, Gentle, Maggot (reborn due to Wakandan cloning tech - thank you Hudlin for your bevy of Mary Sue-isms), Panther's brides from the Priest run and whoever else. They could be the elite superhumans of the continent.

Longshot - I have not been reading the latest X-Factor, but is his Longshot a Skrull or not? I can't remember. Anyway I defer to his vision, whatever it might be.

Stacy X - Ressurected by the Hellfire Club. Why not? She could advance to become a member of the Inner Circle.

Thunderbird III - No idea. This was the advantage of the X-Corporations. All those off-panel characters could be occupied somewhere else, but M-Day put paid to all of that. Maybe assign him and Bishop to Norman Osborn's Initiative as registered mutants. They're out in the cold and don't know that Emma is playing a major role in Dark Reign, so they sign up.

Mojo - This one is a dozey. Mojo gains a foothold on earth. Have him send agents to earth to proliferate his ethos among underground websites, recruiting a parody of 4channers and the like. Then they go out and film X-battles on their mobiles for the entertainment of the Mojoverse.

Marrow - X-Force. Stabby stabby. Next!

Slipstream & Lifeguard - Aren't these two Shi'ar or something? Well then have Gabriel Summers recruit them into his Imperial Guard. Solved.

[The Black Guardian]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8003055']Maggott -
Apart from him being dead, nothing needs to be fixed, imo. I always liked the character and thought his powers were pretty unique. They were creepy, too, so I'd probably bring him back in X-Force. IIRC, Sinister had one of his slugs in jar the last time we saw anything. I'd have that slug escape and roam around using host bodies in attempts to rebuild a new Japheth in really creepy, zombie-like ways.
Longshot -
I defer to PAD.
Stacy X -
I really don't think she should have died in that pretty small explosion in New Warriors. Normal people without armor can usually survive such things. The government probably has her in some dungeon laboratory. Have them experiment on her, bringing back a screwed-up version of her original powers, which she's forced to use to keep mutie down.
Thunderbird III -
Only thing that needs to change is his codename... and keep him far from Psylocke.
Mojo -
He needs to diversify. Don't focus so much on television. Get into other forms of entertainment... movies, music, video games, etc. I see Dazzler becoming destitute because of some boy/girl bands that are being managed by Mojo. And he needs to branch away from the X-Men.
Marrow -
She needs to fully embrace her innate villainy. Stop beating around the bush.
Slipstream -
Keep him depowered and turn him into a deranged anti-mutant villain with a special dislike for his sister.
Lifeguard -
She needs to be on the front lines when Vulcan comes. Then have her join the Starjammers so she can learn about her Shi'ar heritage.

[Jeremi]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8003055'] Maggot -

First of all bring him back to life. Have his unexplained psychometric powers to be his mutant powers and the slugs as some sort of demons that have a symbiotic connection with Maggott. Make more use of his psychometric powers and put him in a detective setting maybe in X-Factor or putt him in X-Force for some nice fights. Have him flirt with the girls.

Personally I'm hoping Mike Carey's is bringing him back and use him, being killed off-panel in Weapon-X is really not the way to go.

[The Lucky One]

Longshot made this list and not Dazzler?

My my, we are on CBR, aren't we? :rolleyes:

-D

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Longshot made this list and not Dazzler?

My my, we are on CBR, aren't we? :rolleyes:

-D

I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean any offense.

But to tell you the truth, you're the only Longshot fan I see on here.

[Valeria Kementari]

Maggot - Sinister brings him back as the leader of his new Marauders

Longshot - Unfixable and unlikeable

Stacy X - See Longshot

Thunderbird III - Kill him

Mojo - No one can not Love Mojo :D

Marrow - Keep her where she is, there is no fixing this one either

Slipstream - Bring him back without his shirt on

Lifeguard - She's too cool for this list

[tetragene]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8005889']I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean any offense.

But to tell you the truth, you're the only Longshot fan I see on here.

pay it no mind, any scouring of...well, any Marvel/X-Men board will show a deficient in Longshot fans or people that like the character enough to want to read more about him. CBR or not :tongue:

Marrow: I'm sorry but she NEVER should have been prettified. Regress her to the harsh ugliness she used to have and gradually progress her into more of a hero

Longshot: Update the hairstyle and give him a new costume for God's sakes. He's been using that same old black elather w/ the white starburst since his inception. At least update it a little. Also--forbid anymore "memory loss" and make his luck work a little more similar to the Ultimate version, because that was pretty interesting.

Lifeguard: send her to space to deal with that Shi'Ar mess so Polaris & Havok can return to Earth. That will be her greatest possible contribution

[Ororororo]

Take your hubcap...

And slap them over the fucking head with it.

Bitches be dead. HOLLA!

[MartinRedmond]

Longshot's awesome, he doesn't need fixing, he's the best.

Lifeguard and Slipstream are both blondes, they're excellent too.

Dazzler's a lost cause. But that's ok, she didn't even mind when her landlords tried to bash her head in over rent with an iron pipe and a bat in the Dazzler goes to the Lesbo Bar issue. Dazzler doesn't mind when you demean her. She kind of enjoys it.

Marrow should still be ugly as hell even though she turned a new page. I think they discredited her character making her pretty.

[The Lucky One]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8005889']I'm sorry, man. I didn't mean any offense.

But to tell you the truth, you're the only Longshot fan I see on here.

Ah, don't worry about it. (Though there are a few.) Sorry for snapping at you.

To answer your question, there's not much needed to "fix" either Longshot or Mojo. Start by taking Dazzler fans out of the equation because they're never going to like either character. That isn't meant as an insult, it's just that most resent Longshot for taking their character away, as do Longshot fans in reverse. Just the way it is. (Yes, I know there are exceptions, and God bless you.) What you're left with after that is a bunch of people who like Longshot and Mojo from their earliest appearances, a very small smattering of people who have disliked both characters from the very beginning, and a majority of people who have never read any Longshot appearances, or who have only read those shitty stories in the 90s. (So, have never read any Longshot appearances.) The solution isn't to "fix" Longshot and Mojo, it's to introduce them to a majority of readers who have formed opinions about the characters based on other people's complaints, not their own thoughts on the stories. Which I have every confidence is exactly what Peter David is going to do.

Give Longshot a haircut? I mean, come on. I could take it or leave it, but seriously- anyone who would judge a character on their hairstyle is not someone you're going to pay a lot of attention to, y'know? Nate Grey's outfit made him look like a refugee from a Duran Duran video, but I don't dislike the character for it; I dislike him because he had an annoying personality. For God's sake, if people did that with Gambit and his hot pink body armor and glow-y playing cards, the character never would have made it to 1991, let alone 2008, know what I mean? :wink:

Longshot and Mojo don't need to be fixed, they need to be reintroduced to a new generation, one that's been prejudiced by the mistakes of the 90s. It'll happen, just give it some time.

-D

[Muggs]

You only get one chance to make a first impression.

I know CBR likes to pimp the mis-used D Listers, but all of these characters were pretty much met with universal disdain by the fanbase when they were introduced. (Like all new characters really.) But these guys never got accepted, even though some of them were around for a while.*

The X franchise is so vast that inevitably some charcaters are going to fall by the wayside. Some deserve too, some don't. Thats just the way it goes.

Look at all the characters that have been introduced in the last 20 years. How many of them have lasted and play a part in the x universe today? Cable, Gambit, Bishop. Look how many characters have been promoted and have managed to stick on the main squad. Emma and Cannonball ( and it took Sam a decade of being bounced on and off the team under various writers for him to make it). That's 5 characters out of dozen's. Not a good ratio. Although I think PAD's made Madrox into enough of a player that if X Factor was cancelled tomorrow, Jamie would get put in the main books.

Out of all the characters introduced this decade probably none of them will last. X 23 will probably go the distance and Layla if she comes back from the future as an adult, but Pixie, Armor and the rest will probably be dead or in limbo within 5 years.

*Longshot MIGHT have a chance at returning to glory, due to the fact that he's connected to a popular era (The Outback). But it would need PAD too make him into a major player, and then someone else would have to use him afterwards in a strong role. But even then it's been 20 years since he had any relevance to the main continuity, so too much time might have passed for the fanbase to re-embrace him.

[worstblogever]

You could fix them by giving the male characters vasectomies, and the female characters hystorectomies.

Problem solved.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Ah, don't worry about it. (Though there are a few.) Sorry for snapping at you.

To answer your question, there's not much needed to "fix" either Longshot or Mojo. Start by taking Dazzler fans out of the equation because they're never going to like either character. That isn't meant as an insult, it's just that most resent Longshot for taking their character away, as do Longshot fans in reverse. Just the way it is. (Yes, I know there are exceptions, and God bless you.) What you're left with after that is a bunch of people who like Longshot and Mojo from their earliest appearances, a very small smattering of people who have disliked both characters from the very beginning, and a majority of people who have never read any Longshot appearances, or who have only read those shitty stories in the 90s. (So, have never read any Longshot appearances.) The solution isn't to "fix" Longshot and Mojo, it's to introduce them to a majority of readers who have formed opinions about the characters based on other people's complaints, not their own thoughts on the stories. Which I have every confidence is exactly what Peter David is going to do.

Give Longshot a haircut? I mean, come on. I could take it or leave it, but seriously- anyone who would judge a character on their hairstyle is not someone you're going to pay a lot of attention to, y'know? Nate Grey's outfit made him look like a refugee from a Duran Duran video, but I don't dislike the character for it; I dislike him because he had an annoying personality. For God's sake, if people did that with Gambit and his hot pink body armor and glow-y playing cards, the character never would have made it to 1991, let alone 2008, know what I mean? :wink:

Longshot and Mojo don't need to be fixed, they need to be reintroduced to a new generation, one that's been prejudiced by the mistakes of the 90s. It'll happen, just give it some time.

-D

Don't worry, It's no prob.

I think you might be right with Longshot/Mojo.

[Blade X]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;8003055']The characters listed below are the most hated characters in the entire X-Verse fandom. IYO, what would need to be done or how would you go about fixing each of these characters until they're at least at Storm/Cyclops-level popularity?

Serious discussion. This is not a full revision and each of their full histories up until this point are still intact. This is more like a revamp. Through the use of story progression starting from their current status quo, what tweaks would be needed in their character, designs, personalities and abilities?

Maggot -

Longshot -

Stacy X -

Thunderbird III -

Mojo -

Marrow -

Slipstream -

Lifeguard -

Maggot (resurrect him

Longshot (reveal that his marriage to Dazzler and they're unborn child was nothing more then a lie constructed by Mojo in order to boost TV ratings)

Stacy X (kill her off)

Thunderbird 3 (give him the codename that CC originally wanted to give him before the editors made him use the Thunderbird codename)

Mojo (nothing needs to be fixed)

Marrow (either kill her off or make her a total villain since she did contribute to the mass murder of innocent humans)

Slipstream (get rid of that stupid surfboard and change his attitude towards mutants)

Lifeguard (restore her ability to turn back to human, and limit her powers to her super strong golden armor form,her wings,and her gills and fins)

[Blade X]

Ah, don't worry about it. (Though there are a few.) Sorry for snapping at you.

To answer your question, there's not much needed to "fix" either Longshot or Mojo. Start by taking Dazzler fans out of the equation because they're never going to like either character. That isn't meant as an insult, it's just that most resent Longshot for taking their character away, as do Longshot fans in reverse. Just the way it is. (Yes, I know there are exceptions, and God bless you.) What you're left with after that is a bunch of people who like Longshot and Mojo from their earliest appearances, a very small smattering of people who have disliked both characters from the very beginning, and a majority of people who have never read any Longshot appearances, or who have only read those shitty stories in the 90s. (So, have never read any Longshot appearances.) The solution isn't to "fix" Longshot and Mojo, it's to introduce them to a majority of readers who have formed opinions about the characters based on other people's complaints, not their own thoughts on the stories. Which I have every confidence is exactly what Peter David is going to do.

Give Longshot a haircut? I mean, come on. I could take it or leave it, but seriously- anyone who would judge a character on their hairstyle is not someone you're going to pay a lot of attention to, y'know? Nate Grey's outfit made him look like a refugee from a Duran Duran video, but I don't dislike the character for it; I dislike him because he had an annoying personality. For God's sake, if people did that with Gambit and his hot pink body armor and glow-y playing cards, the character never would have made it to 1991, let alone 2008, know what I mean? :wink:

Longshot and Mojo don't need to be fixed, they need to be reintroduced to a new generation, one that's been prejudiced by the mistakes of the 90s. It'll happen, just give it some time.

-D

Well said. I agree with everything you said.

Marvel should really try to get both Ann Nocenti and Art Adams (Longshot's creators) to do a new Longshot mini series.

And yes (if you couldn't tell already), I'm a huge Longshot fan.