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ClanAskani

12-04-2008, 02:29 PM

Starting after the preview, Nathan tells the little girl to run and hide with her backpack, and tries to free Hope and the others from the Bug army.

Blasting them with his big gun doesn’t work, so he has to resort to ol’ fashioned fisticuffs. He frees Hope, grabs her and the little girl and runs.

But Cable, the little girl and Hope are soon surrounded. Cable has planted explosives all around New Liberty and the detonator in is the little girl’s backpack. He gives her the signal and she blows up all of the bug army guys.

In the present, X-Force is out on the wild goose chase Bishop sent them on, while Cyclops continues to interrogate Cable and Beast analyzes Bishop’s mechanical arm.

Cable convinces Hope to trust him, as he prepares to jump further into the future.

Bishop has booby trapped the device X-Force finds, so that when X-Force finds the “6th weapon”, the X-Men at HQ are disabled by non-lethal nano technology, enabling Bishop to steal his unnamed 7th weapon from X-Men headquarters.

Overall, it was an okay issue, but the pacing still seems off. There isn't much difference in the last issue and this one. In a trade it will read fine, but as a single issue, there isn't much there.

supreme5

12-04-2008, 02:46 PM

i believe cyclops is the 7th weapon. i though it was a good issue, the pace is starting to pick up.

DeadXMan

12-04-2008, 03:00 PM

i believe cyclops is the 7th weapon. i though it was a good issue, the pace is starting to pick up.

Bishop goning terminator

He going kill scott in the past so he can't make Ruby
thus the Summers revolt is no more.

Crazy bishop is pure win.:eek:

pariah-1972

12-04-2008, 03:25 PM

Mine was first !

Eye in the Sky

12-04-2008, 04:22 PM

This is the most interesting Bishop has ever been.

DeadXMan

12-04-2008, 05:20 PM

I know.

I soo want Him to be on a receiving end of a Cajun Beat down.

Jackob

12-04-2008, 05:26 PM

but woulndt he want ruby summers around, she was the summers rebelion, that freed the mutants him included and fixes what baby did.

DeadXMan

12-04-2008, 05:31 PM

but woulndt he want ruby summers around, she was the summers rebelion, that freed the mutants him included and fixes what baby did.

not really, no. Plus anything from the loans of Emma is pure evil.

Pugfugly

12-05-2008, 08:27 AM

Okay, i've a "new" theory on the Messiah baby. I say "new" because I'm sure someone has stated this before elsewhere, but I can't find. The baby is...Rachel Summers! Just kidding. I do however think that the baby is Phoenix III. Lemme esplain.

The baby is Nathan and Hope's actually child. Being Nathan's daughter, she has Jean Grey's Phoenix Force attracting DNA. Somewhere down the line (most likely when the title gets cancelled) she will manifest said force to protect her parents from some big bad, dying in the process. After her death Hope will confide in Nate that she's pregnant and he'll be forced to fix his time travel device to deliver her to Alaska before Messiah Complex.

Wait...Cable would already know that Alaska is not safe at that time. Man I hate time travel stories.

Valeria Kementari

12-05-2008, 08:51 AM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/bsas.jpg That's
Buenos Aires, that's my city :(

rwsmith

12-05-2008, 09:33 AM

Wait...Cable would already know that Alaska is not safe at that time. Man I hate time travel stories.

Same here. Best part about this issue was seeing X-Force in another X-book. Otherwise it was pretty dull and I'm glad I didn't purchase it (just flipped through it in the store).

ZeoVGM

12-05-2008, 10:45 AM

Just wanted to point out how good this book is.

CMBMOOL

12-05-2008, 10:55 AM

I have to say Bishop is really heading down a dark line if he is trying to 'save' his future. :frown:

ExodusCloak

12-05-2008, 10:57 AM

Don't know why but for the first time ever I'm actually starting to like Bishop I hope he kills that baby./toddler/teenager/21 year old.

$5 Milkshake

12-05-2008, 10:58 AM

ExodusCloak

12-05-2008, 11:01 AM

chickrockguitar

12-05-2008, 11:05 AM

Can anyone post Scans of X-Force, please? :biggrin:

ZeoVGM

12-05-2008, 11:06 AM

Mehhhhhhh.

I agree with whoever pointed out that there was barely any difference between last issue and this one. Which is a shame, because I thought the last couple of issues had picked up.

I dunno, between the bloated ugly art, slow pacing, and obnoxious time travel crap, I'm having a hard time explaining to myself why I'm still buying lol

I usually hate time travel, but honestly, don't read a Cable book if you don't like time travel. Haha.

As far as the art goes, I really disagree. I absoltuely love his art. It fits, just like it fit War Journal. I wish he had stayed on, which would have helped keep that book from becoming mediocre.

I dunno about the slow pacing. I mean, it's a monthly comic book. If you don't like stories being stretched out over months, you should buy trades instead. I bet you'd enjoy Cable a lot more that way.

That's why ASM is so awesome right now. We're seeing so many more stories and character development thanks to the book coming out 3 times a month. If the book were still monthly, we'd only be up to like.. the Kraven arc.

kate-pryde

12-05-2008, 11:15 AM

But it is a monthly comic, not a trade. If it’s only being written to be read in trade format, than DON’T PUBLISH A MONTHLY COMIC. Publish a trade every six months.

That's the problem with comics today. They stretch out what used to be in a single issue into a whole arc and charge insane prices for it.

I won’t waste my money on this decompressed nonsense any more. Plus the art in Cable is absolutely horrendous.

$5 Milkshake

12-05-2008, 11:23 AM

I usually hate time travel, but honestly, don't read a Cable book if you don't like time travel. Haha.

LOL a fair point, honestly! I do like Cable though, I have for years, but that is not my favorite aspect of him. Which....is of course the aspect they're focusing on in this series.

As far as the art goes, I really disagree. I absoltuely love his art. It fits, just like it fit War Journal. I wish he had stayed on, which would have helped keep that book from becoming mediocre.

Definitely agree to disagree there. I like unusual art, I prefer style over realism. But man....Olivetti does nothing for me. Here or on Punisher. Its just so static. Characters seem like cardboard cutouts being put into action poses.

I dunno about the slow pacing. I mean, it's a monthly comic book. If you don't like stories being stretched out over months, you should buy trades instead. I bet you'd enjoy Cable a lot more that way.

I love monthly comics. There's a difference between an unfolding, ongoing serial, and a slow as crap snorefest.

Big Red Spider

12-05-2008, 01:40 PM

Goin to have to put me down as love the art and love the story. This issue continued to explore the fact that this lady is mother figure for the messiah baby. Also the baby got it's first lesson in strategy. It would be nice to see more speed in the development, but I'm okay with the slow route.

I don't like the villianous one-armed bishop. I reallyl enjoyed his past where he was trapped in space with deathbird and worked to reform her. So I hate see him have a robot time traveling arm. Well I guess since he's now a villian he should try to hook back up with deathbird. Just have to knock off Gabriel.

pariah-1972

12-05-2008, 01:50 PM

I think it's really weird how much the baby and the mom look alike even tho they aren't supposed to be related.

RafiShai

12-05-2008, 01:55 PM

Somebody needs to tell villainous Bishop that he should be expecting a lawsuit from Skrulls Inc. The whole "He/I loves you"? They have that copyrighted.

Also, great issue, I really like this book =]

protogarrett

12-05-2008, 02:49 PM

Bishop destroys the entire world. And it's only noted in passing.

So technically doesn't this make Bishop one of the most effective villains in the Marvel Universe EVER?!

For once Bishop is actually an interesting character. It's sad they drummed down his mass world genocide into something so tidy and neat, I want an issue dedicated to the fact that he is just as bad as Apocalypse from AoA now.

Now, bring back Slipstream and make him a human slave trafficker like in X-Men: The End. He would rock as a villain I think, maybe working for Mojo or something.

Omega Alpha

12-05-2008, 03:07 PM

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/valechan/bsas.jpg That's
Buenos Aires, that's my city :(

Well, you can't say it will be much missed. Nobody likes the Argentinians anyway :biggrin:

psychic_therapy

12-06-2008, 12:00 AM

I liked this issue... for the entire issue I felt sorry that Cable's wife would die. Great ending but I don't know if we were meant to hate Bishop any less... I don't hate him any less, actually hate him even more so for speaking of love while causing pain... all in the name of (maybe) preventing his life experiences from happening.

Good god I hope Cyclops is not the weapon Bishop speaks of. But part of me is curious as to how that would be.

So I guess Emma may be the only one left standing? Better not be a repeat of her last man/woman standing act with Danger in Astonishing... "you will let me end this because I know your secret". She had better make us realize why she represents mutantkind in the illuminaughty!:evilangry:

TJ Shoun

12-06-2008, 12:17 AM

pariah-1972

12-06-2008, 12:44 AM

Bishop has been in asshole at least since M-day.

So it's not quite out of the blue.

Omega Alpha

12-06-2008, 05:22 AM

Yeah, but there's a difference between asshole and genocidal maniac.

Though if even Wanda Maximoff can be on an Avengers team again, I'm sure he'll return soon....

B. Kuwanger

12-06-2008, 10:48 AM

All this time-hopping by Cable and Bishop should be creating a plethora of alternate timelines.

Which would, in effect, negate any reason Bishop would have of destroying the timeline "skyscraper-style" as he described it, because time travel doesn't work linearly in the greater Marvel U.

Anytime someone time-hops backwards or forwards, it creates a divergent timeline altogether, which renders Bishop's plan irrelevant.

Everything else is aces, though. Love Olivetti's art, and the story's been really engaging even if it does paint Bishop as a complete asshole...

I just wish they'd clarify the time travel discrepancies...

I feel that way, but really, I just try to go with it and assume it would either make sense if I thought about it hard enough or if I saw the big picture.

Olivetti's art is static, yeah, but some of the visuals are just great. Can't get enough of bearded Cable. Cable as a character, to me, use to range from lame to tolerable, and over the last five issues I've really come to like him. Kudos to DS.

DeadXMan

12-06-2008, 11:33 AM

Bishop has been in asshole at least since M-day.

So it's not quite out of the blue.

he been a jerk since day one when he tried to kill the x-men cause they didn't live up to the legends of his youth. Then have the audacity of accusing gentle Gambit being a traitor. :rolleyes:

rage6839

12-06-2008, 12:02 PM

he been a jerk since day one when he tried to kill the x-men cause they didn't live up to the legends of his youth. Then have the audacity of accusing gentle Gambit being a traitor. :rolleyes:

Bishop thought it was another Fitzroy ploy but once everything was sorted out (after Xavier read his mind), Bishop was a great X-Man. And as much as I like Gambit, him being gentle :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . It sucks what has been done to him.

DeadXMan

12-06-2008, 12:09 PM

no he wasn't

B:Gambit's wll kill you all
Chuck: I AM ONSLAUGHT!!!

Bishop: opps my bad.

rage6839

12-06-2008, 12:20 PM

no he wasn't

B:Gambit's wll kill you all
Chuck: I AM ONSLAUGHT!!!

Bishop: opps my bad.

So I guess he killed Gambit and they never became friends? If he really wanted Gambit dead, Bishop would not have let Rogue or a boysenberry pie stop him. Guess X-Men have never made mistakes either? At least Bishop owned up to it and before this debacle, he had a great career with the X-Men

DeadXMan

12-06-2008, 01:10 PM

considering Gambit kick his ass in MCX and called him a hyocrite.

No they didn't.

Post-It

12-06-2008, 01:24 PM

considering Gambit kick his ass in MCX and called him a hyocrite.

No they didn't.

No, they definitely did. They even had a miniseries together.

I just think that when Fake Evil Clone Bishop ("FECB") went nuts on Xmen it stirred up at lot of emotions, mostly anger, for Gambit. Along the lines of " You f'ing tried to kill me because you said I would kill the Xmen and now look at what you are doing!!!"

Cam Man

12-06-2008, 02:24 PM

I must agree with the above mentioned statement and had the same thought when I was reading the ish. Bishop is one of the greatest villians in the Marvel U if all he claims really went down. Where the hell were the Avengers or FF to stop him from doing everything? if he kicks this much butt now why was he so often a pushover when fighting with the X-men?

Oh and greatest line from the Cable series so far. "Don't you know who I am? I'm the President of the United States of America!" LOL WTF???? Seriously??? Gotta admit its hard to buy in that Cable is really being threatned when he's facing enemies the Orko man could annihlate.

rage6839

12-06-2008, 02:28 PM

No, they definitely did. They even had a miniseries together.

I just think that when Fake Evil Clone Bishop ("FECB") went nuts on Xmen it stirred up at lot of emotions, mostly anger, for Gambit. Along the lines of " You f'ing tried to kill me because you said I would kill the Xmen and now look at what you are doing!!!"

I think we have a new name for this Bishop incarnation.

Bishop and Gambit had worked through their issues. Bishop apologized (big man) and Gambit accepted (bigger man) and then TPTB decided to create FECB.

DeadXMan

12-06-2008, 04:07 PM

Worked out there diffances is hust fancy talk for "buying time to reload"
Which bishop did and now is awesome

Bookem Danno

12-07-2008, 09:05 AM

Bishop thought it was another Fitzroy ploy but once everything was sorted out (after Xavier read his mind), Bishop was a great X-Man.

http://i34.tinypic.com/35bwbir.jpg

Did Bishop not learn anything about temporarl mechanics since Fitzroy? :evilsmile: Did Hank make a pun? :redface: Did Logan forget to tuck in his sideburns? :eek:

rwsmith

12-07-2008, 09:16 AM

In the latest "Cup of Joe" (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=92159514&blogID=454215738), Joe Quesada basically confirms that there will be more interaction between Cable and X-Force (well, perhaps not so much Cable himself, but more so the child):

Daniel wants to know…

Hey Joe,
In X-Factor, writer Peter David explained that mutants who display their powers at birth are actually not "mutants." Rather, he dubbed them "killcrops," or genetic throwbacks of a sort.
Cable's Messiah Baby was recorded at birth as being a mutant. Madrox and Siryn's baby may follow suit. Are we going to get an exact explanation as to what the difference between a baby that exhibits the mutant trait at birth, and a killcrop?

JQ: Daniel, I think to a certain degree the jury is still out on the science on that one. It's also a matter of definition, and some people might disagree that there's enough of a distinction there to really indicate a difference between species. Other people—other scientists—would completely get on board with that notion. I imagine that debate is raging in the letters column of New Scientist magazine in the Marvel Universe.

Either way: the Messiah Baby was, possibly, something else entirely. It was VERY unusual that her birth set off alarm bells in Cerebra. That is NOT the normal way these things work. What does it mean? Well, the next big piece of that puzzle is in upcoming issues of Cable…and X-Force.

For Madrox and Siryn's baby, being born with powers is definitely a possibility. Mutant? Killcrop? Flatscan? X-Factor 39. Don't miss it.

Also, Duane Swiercynski said on his blog that the messiah child will be showing up in either Astonishing X-men, Uncanny X-men or X-Force soon: http://secretdead.blogspot.com/2008/11/nerdery-update.html

Based on Joe Q's comments above, though, my money is on her showing up in X-Force. Having said that, I wonder why Cable won't be showing up in X-Force with her? Duane comments certainly sound like it will be just the child and not Cable with her. :confused:

Oh, and he also confirmed that we'll be finding out her name soon.

Archer

12-07-2008, 11:42 AM

Don't know why but for the first time ever I'm actually starting to like Bishop I hope he kills that baby./toddler/teenager/21 year old.

Meh, I don't care too much what he does.

I don't know why Bishop wants to kill the baby, he hasn't explained or given any indication, and as a result I can't have any opinion on whether it's a good or bad idea.

9 issues in, I just hope that sooner rather than later it will actually be addressed.

nikbackm

12-07-2008, 11:50 AM

Meh, I don't care too much what he does.

I don't know why Bishop wants to kill the baby, he hasn't explained or given any indication, and as a result I can't have any opinion on whether it's a good or bad idea.

9 issues in, I just hope that sooner rather than later it will actually be addressed.

I thought he wanted to kill the baby to prevent his own sad little future from ever happening.

Zombie Uatu

12-07-2008, 12:25 PM

I thought he wanted to kill the baby to prevent his own sad little future from ever happening.

I thought it was rather obvious from the get-go that this was why Bishop wanted to kill the baby, but obviously I'm just reading too much into things.

Post-It

12-07-2008, 12:27 PM

I thought he wanted to kill the baby to prevent his own sad little future from ever happening.

Its not just a personal matter for him but for ALL mutants. The way it has been explained is that she is the direct catalyst for the mutant holocaust in the future.

It is a question of whether it would be morally justifiable for a concentration camp survivor, such as Magneto, to travel back in time to kill Hitler when he was still an infant.

Which begs the question, would Magneto join Bishop once he found out what is at stake?

markdienekes

12-07-2008, 12:42 PM

that's a cop out... just stop the parents from meeting than you wouldn't have to kill baby Hitler ; ) - why kill someone to change the past when there are less violent methods : P

Zombie Uatu

12-07-2008, 01:10 PM

Its not just a personal matter for him but for ALL mutants. The way it has been explained is that she is the direct catalyst for the mutant holocaust in the future.

It is a question of whether it would be morally justifiable for a concentration camp survivor, such as Magneto, to travel back in time to kill Hitler when he was still an infant.

Which begs the question, would Magneto join Bishop once he found out what is at stake?

Knowing that the baby, either way, leads once again to an explosion in the mutant population, and that one of those futures is one which is good for mutants and people in general, I expect Magneto would take the X-Men's stance, reasoning that even if his people must suffer more, eventually they will triumph.

Post-It

12-07-2008, 02:01 PM

that's a cop out... just stop the parents from meeting than you wouldn't have to kill baby Hitler ; ) - why kill someone to change the past when there are less violent methods : P

Dude I agree, Im just saying whats Bishops apparent motivation for going psycho.

But at the same time you never know when the parents will meet. You would basically have to open two companies, make sure they are your employee, and make sure they never ever bump into each other. Also make sure he avoids sperm banks as they never said how she was conceived. :-)

DeadXMan

12-07-2008, 02:29 PM

Dude I agree, Im just saying whats Bishops apparent motivation for going psycho.

But at the same time you never know when the parents will meet. You would basically have to open two companies, make sure they are your employee, and make sure they never ever bump into each other. Also make sure he avoids sperm banks as they never said how she was conceived. :-)

or it be like the terminator 1 and it actually forces your parents to meet.

markdienekes

12-07-2008, 04:23 PM

is anyone getting the impression from Cable's dialog that he may be dead, and that the girl is listening to his voice on some sort of recording device?

Archer

12-07-2008, 05:43 PM

I thought it was rather obvious from the get-go that this was why Bishop wanted to kill the baby, but obviously I'm just reading too much into things.

We know he wants to kill the baby to prevent his future from happening.

We don't know why he thinks killing the baby will do that.

The difference between this and the whole "Would it be right to kill Hitler as a baby" thing is that we know for a fact that Hitler did some really, really bad things and we can make an educated guess as to how the twentieth century might have turned out without him around. There's none of that for this baby.

Bishop clearly believes his reasons are both sound and moral - but he doesn't say, "Look, Cyclops, that baby is going to grow up to be a complete psychopath who will murder billions of people" or "Look, Cyclops, because her powers are so completely screwy there is no way to teach her to be a nice person. Ending that one life is worth it to save so many."

Nope, it's just "Kill the baby, save the world!" I can't get involved because there is, as far as I can see, absolutely no explanation of Bishop's motivation.

Archer

12-07-2008, 05:49 PM

It is a question of whether it would be morally justifiable for a concentration camp survivor, such as Magneto, to travel back in time to kill Hitler when he was still an infant.

Which begs the question, would Magneto join Bishop once he found out what is at stake?

In one issue a human asked Magneto if it would be justifiable to kill Hitler as a baby, and Magneto promptly went crazy and started yelling about how Hitler was the most evil person to have lived or some such, and yes he would indeed kill him if he had a chance.

Now . . . if Bishop was able to prove somehow - perhaps by a telepathic exchange of memories, or some such - that this baby would grow up to kill millions of mutants (as Hitler killed millions of Jews . . . even though there aren't exactly millions of mutants left anyway), personally kill Magneto's surviving family and Xavier, and enslave and torture anyone left he cared about . . . then Magneto might well take the pragmatic route and agree to kill her. (Though I think he would be more interested in raising her to be non-psycho.)

On the other hand if Bishop was to say "This baby needs to die, and you need to believe me, despite the fact that I have provided no evidence at all of my claims or even explained why she's a threat!" then I think the sane reaction would be to put Bishop out of action completely.

I'm gonna take a guess that the writer isn't letting us in on Bishop's reasoning in order to keep curiosity levels high . . . but to me, Bishop's refusal to give reasons, or to explain what he thinks this baby is going to do, or to suggest why killing the baby is a better idea than for example raising her amongst the X-Men, or trying to depower her, or whatever . . . all adds up to make me feel that Bishop flat out doesn't have any good reasons for doing what he's doing. (Or the writer doesn't.)

Which means I can't get interested in him, as he's a plot device rather than a character.

Post-It

12-07-2008, 09:03 PM

In one issue a human asked Magneto if it would be justifiable to kill Hitler as a baby, and Magneto promptly went crazy and started yelling about how Hitler was the most evil person to have lived or some such, and yes he would indeed kill him if he had a chance.

Now . . . if Bishop was able to prove somehow - perhaps by a telepathic exchange of memories, or some such - that this baby would grow up to kill millions of mutants (as Hitler killed millions of Jews . . . even though there aren't exactly millions of mutants left anyway), personally kill Magneto's surviving family and Xavier, and enslave and torture anyone left he cared about . . . then Magneto might well take the pragmatic route and agree to kill her. (Though I think he would be more interested in raising her to be non-psycho.)

On the other hand if Bishop was to say "This baby needs to die, and you need to believe me, despite the fact that I have provided no evidence at all of my claims or even explained why she's a threat!" then I think the sane reaction would be to put Bishop out of action completely.

I'm gonna take a guess that the writer isn't letting us in on Bishop's reasoning in order to keep curiosity levels high . . . but to me, Bishop's refusal to give reasons, or to explain what he thinks this baby is going to do, or to suggest why killing the baby is a better idea than for example raising her amongst the X-Men, or trying to depower her, or whatever . . . all adds up to make me feel that Bishop flat out doesn't have any good reasons for doing what he's doing. (Or the writer doesn't.)

Which means I can't get interested in him, as he's a plot device rather than a character.

Thats what im guessing the upcoming mini will take care of. Hey you wouldnt happen to know which issue that was where Magneto said he would kill baby Hitler do you?

Archer

12-07-2008, 10:33 PM

Thats what im guessing the upcoming mini will take care of.

I hope so, but it's still really sloppy writing to leave such a glaring gap.

Hey you wouldnt happen to know which issue that was where Magneto said he would kill baby Hitler do you?

Yep, it was X-Men #85, first in the Magneto Rogue Nation trade.

Nifty little story, Magneto decided to talk to an average human to see if they were prejudiced and deserved to be wiped out, while the X-Men went about saving some people from a fire.

Magneto was surprised at how reasonable the human was, and Xavier horribly depressed at how everyone was assuming the X-Men were trying to harm people, instead of save them. When the human made a comment about Hitler, Magneto lost it and went crazy - leading the human to panic and call him a monster, thus "proving" to Magneto that humans were bigots. Meanwhile Storm defused a situation with some police, leading them to put down their guns and thank the X-Men - thus proving to Xavier that they're good people.

Don't think the trade was good in general, but it was a very good issue showing Magneto and Xavier both create self-fulfilling prophecies for their respective beliefs.