How do you feel about Namor joining the X-Men? ...What would happen?

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I've been thinking about this for a while after reading this:

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2796.Take_10~colon~_Would-Be_X-Men

I was wondering what everyone here thought of Namor joining the X-Men. How would this work out and how would it benefit the stories?

What could be done with this? How would this change the team dynamic? How would this impact the X-men stories and how would this also affect the structure of the X-Universe? These same questions go for Namor's supporting cast.

Also, how would the addition of Atlantis benefit the X-Men mythos and the X-Universe in general?

[AcesX1X]

this poll has high potential for invalidity.

what, exactly, are the terms and qualifications of namor joining the x-men? please clarify.

namor should only align himself with the x-men if it is his intent to subvert leadership and make himself their lord, king, and master.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

this poll has high potential for invalidity.

what, exactly, are the terms and qualifications of namor joining the x-men? please clarify.

namor should only align himself with the x-men if it is his intent to subvert leadership and make himself their lord, king, and master.

Well according to the Cabal, one reason could be if he's seeking asylum.

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2796.Take_10~colon~_Would-Be_X-Men


Why He Makes The List: Known as Marvel's very first mutant—though Apocalypse may dispute the claim—Prince Namor of Atlantis would seem a bizarre choice for the X-Men given his fiercely independent nature, but that could also make him a fascinating team member. The currently nomadic Sub-Mariner could seek asylum with old ally Charles Xavier and become a hugely powerful X-Man whose reckless streak would make Cyclops long for the days of Wolverine at his surliest.

Even what you mentioned could work as well.

[darknessatnoon]

No fish, please.

[Hakael]

random poll is random

[psychic_therapy]

namor should only align himself with the x-men if it is his intent to subvert leadership and make himself their lord, king, and master.

I agree with this... I can't see him joining to be part of the team, only to rule over it.:mad:

[Rev. Calibos]

An interesting concept yet he wouldn't work out so I vote 'no'.

Namor has no patience to deal with children and I can't imagine him being an effective teacher.

His impatience, his arrogance, they're not good fits for what the X-Men essentially are which is a school.

[jarrod]

He should steal Hepzibah away from them. And then drown her.

[The Black Guardian]

Only if it ends with Cyclops and Emma dead.

[Eye in the Sky]

I think it's a bad idea.

[HeckBoy]

No thank you. The only land-dwellers that Namor seems to have full respect for are Cap and the other Invaders. I just can't see him taking orders from Scott no matter the consequences, especially right now, given his full on "King of Atlantis" attitude.

[AcesX1X]

No thank you. The only land-dwellers that Namor seems to have full respect for are Cap and the other Invaders. I just can't see him taking orders from Scott no matter the consequences, especially right now, given his full on "King of Atlantis" attitude.

can you see cyclops taking orders from namor?

[sneggz]

Namor does not play well with land dwellers. If he had to run to the x-Men for whatever reason you can bet your ass he won't take orders from Scott or Emma. Chuck maybe..

[jarrod]

can you see cyclops taking orders from namor?
Despite his position and public face, I'm pretty sure Scott's a "taker".

[darknessatnoon]

Namor does not play well with land dwellers. If he had to run to the x-Men for whatever reason you can bet your ass he won't take orders from Scott or Emma. Chuck maybe..

I can also see him taking an optic blast up the butt for his bad attitude.

[HeckBoy]

Despite his position and public face, I'm pretty sure Scott's a "taker".Yeah, I expect he'd first quit and pout for awhile and then crawl back to the X-Men since he really doesn't have anything outside of them.

Speaking of which, does he even have any money to his own name? I mean, except for maybe his brief retirement w/ Maddie and baby, I don't think he's ever actually held a normal job. Hmm, I wonder if he cashes in Jean's life insurance policy every time she dies? Then again I'm sure no insurance company's going to cover Jean anymore. :tongue:

[AcesX1X]

Then again I'm sure no insurance company's going to cover Jean anymore. :tongue:

Jean's premiums are entirely too high.

[Seres]

He should steal Hepzibah away from them. And then drown her.

I'm going to take Lockheed off my signature.

[jarrod]

I'm going to take Lockheed off my signature.
Don't push me co-XPOTM. I made you, I can break you.

[Rev. Calibos]

As for what would happen.....I can only guess one of two things (or perhaps both):

1) A miscommunication (Namor? Miscommunication?)

2) Wackiness ensues

[Seres]

Don't push me co-XPOTM. I made you, I can break you.

You aren't a combination of Timbox and Josef F. I reject your claim of creation.

[Shyft]

namor should only align himself with the x-men if it is his intent to subvert leadership and make himself their lord, king, and master.

not true, he joined both the Avengers and Defenders without wanting to dominate them.

Namor is a fantastic character, and would be a great addition to an X-team with someone else with a big personality - id love to see the results of Madrox and Namor on the same team.

Also, i could see Namor forming a friendship with Beast.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

A little OT, but has anyone noticed how Emma Frost slightly resembles Sue Storm? :eek:

[Dagger]

Namor, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are all very bad picks for this question. They don't fit in the X-Verse very well. Well, Quicksilver does, but only if PAD is writing him.

[Dagger]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;7985134']A little OT, but has anyone noticed how Emma Frost slightly resembles Sue Storm? :eek:

Other than she's blonde and white, they don't have the slightest resemblance. Emma had more in common with Karen Page than she does Sue Storm.

[Red Lotus]

Yeah, I expect he'd first quit and pout for awhile and then crawl back to the X-Men since he really doesn't have anything outside of them.

Speaking of which, does he even have any money to his own name? I mean, except for maybe his brief retirement w/ Maddie and baby, I don't think he's ever actually held a normal job. Hmm, I wonder if he cashes in Jean's life insurance policy every time she dies? Then again I'm sure no insurance company's going to cover Jean anymore. :tongue:

Wasn't this address in Grant Morrison run. Something about how Cyclops and other X-men got a lot of money for working with Xavier for so long.

[StoneGold]

It could work as a short-term thing, where the intention is for Namor to be the train in the proverbial wreck. Not as a general kind of thing, but if a writer had a specific story in mind.

[AcesX1X]

not true, he joined both the Avengers and Defenders without wanting to dominate them.
.

namor does not appreciate you referencing his bouts of insanity with the avengers and defenders.

[Waterlily]

namor does not appreciate you referencing his bouts of insanity with the avengers and defenders.

What does Namor think about this?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/203/512089341_18a162d234.jpg

Are the rumors true that, in his free time, he's a graffiti artist?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2944990172_95265a9390_m.jpg

[Red Savina]

I don't even like the idea that Namor is considered a mutant.

[AcesX1X]

namor thinks that blue atlantean person has very nice arches in his eyebrows.

and do not be fooled by the wall art. namor retains many talented bodyslaves that spread his word around the globe.

[Prodigy55]

Namor is such a loser, he doesn't belong on the x-men.

[DeadXMan]

Namor on X-Force.

[Crowforge]

Xmen has enough jerks

[x_goalkeeper]

I don't think Namor would be a good fit...

[Mikl C]

Namor is cooler than almost eveyone on the x-men at the minute, so there.

IMPERIUS REX

[worstblogever]

He'd quit the first time Cyclops gave him anything that even resembled an order.

Want proof? See what happened when Magneto showed up, offered him a piece of the Scarlet Witch, and tried to make him a member of the Brotherhood in Uncanny X-Men #6. First time Magnus gave him grief, he just jumped back into the sea.

[The Black Guardian]

Namor is such a loser, he doesn't belong on the x-men.
Whu? I thought being a loser was the prime requisite for being an X-Man!:confused:

[GHalecki]

I could see it working if done right. I can see Namor having some grief in Atlantis over the fact that he is diferent, being of mixed heritage. he decides that things are running okay for now, and leaves on a "vacation" to give the political climate at home some time to settle down. Maybe he meets an Atlantean mutant (has there ever been a pure bread atlantean mutant?) and decides that he needs to do something for his subject. Atlantic is not a terribly accepting and tolerant place for someone that is diferent, and Namor decides to find somewhere more suitable for the outcast. He brings that young mutant to the X-Men to see if they are suitible to care for his young charge. He stays there for a few days, getting a feel for the way the place works. Dsepite the problems being associated with the surface dwelling mutants, he decides that he can't top their expertise when it comes to training young mutants. He leaves the kid in their care, but something unfortunate happens after he leaves, where the kid is killed or injured, either by doing something heroic or as a result of some evil mutant attack. Namor joins with the team for a short while to either honor the request of the child or to avenge them.

He would make a decided effort to "play nice" while he is there out of respect for their overall mission, if not for them in particular. He secretly actually enjoys being "just another part of the team" for a little while, not being burdened with ruling or leading anyone, and since the leadership of these X-Men is at least tolerable in it's competancy. He could agree to submit to working with them, provided he was treated with the proper respect.

He could actually find some enjoyment with some of the X-Men. He is a very complex charachter, with a manyfacited personality. He could find ways to at least converse, or possibly even relate once in a while, with a variety of the X-Men charachters.

He could fill a role temporarily as a lecturer (if not exactly an actual teacher) to the students on a wide variety of subjects, from 20th century history (since he was there for most of it), economics, business, political science, oceanography, biology and probably even languages. He would aslo be a huge benefit to them in terms of training. He is one of the most experienced fighters in the world in general. And he has first hand experience fighting pretty much every single major hero and villian that the X-Men might want to have a contingency plan for.
Having one of the most powerful heroes on the planet, and one with some of the most political clout and resources, would instantly give them their cred back as far as being a MAJOR force, not necissarily to be reconned with, but not to be messed with.

Based on the upside, I think that they X-Men would kiss a MAJOR ammount of ass to get him to come aboard for a little while. They have dealt with a lot of bad atitudes over the years, from Wolverine, to Cable, to Northstar, to Marrow. And Namor would be just another one to be massaged.

I think it would be great seeing him interact on a personal level with the X-Men. He might get into discussions on spirituality and religion with Nightcrawler. Talk philosophy and art with Colossus. Commiserate with Cyclops about having a onetime love turn into a dangerous monster, as well as discuss srtategy and tactics over a chess game. He could talk business with Emma. He and Wolverine could share war stories with the students.

It would be a great scene with him giving a lecture about superbeings through out modern history. He discusses the Invaders, and one of the students derides Jim as being "just some robot" or Steve as being "some flatscan with a flag", and Namor slaps him down hard, like that speech in Jurasic park that makes that bratty kid almost crap his pants in the beginning of the movie.

[Jota]

It's a horrible idea and wouldn't work in the slightest. Its "Wolverine in the Avengers" level of bad. Keep him away.

[Pro]

they're not good fits for what the X-Men essentially are which is a school.

The x-men aren't a school anymore, that's just a sidejob to gather new soldiers for Cyclops' mutant army.

[Wind-Breaker]

It wouldn't work for more than an issue (Deadpool would last longer as an X-Man than Namor), but that would be one hell of an issue. Could you imagine a smug contest between Namor and Emma? Instant gold. And that’s why I so look forward to the Illuminaughty issue. With Doom, Emma, and Namor interacting, they could have the most entertaining conversations ever, the writer of that book better not blow it.

[nikbackm]

Does anyone at this point see Namor staying on the X-Men, or at least being associated with them after Utopia?

He could of course move on to the post-Utopia four-person strong Dark X-Men team but he does not seem to be a good fit for that title as Cornell and Kirk described it.

Another option would be for him to turn against them during or directly after Utopia but that would seem to be a waste of all this setup to bring him in. There are after all more compelling X-villains. It would also make Emma look really sad to have made the X-Men a new powerful enemy just for his very brief service on her Dark X-Men team, they could probably just have used any generic strong guy character instead.

If he's working together with the X-Men OTOH there seems to be much more potential. He might very well be involved with the new Nation-X storyline if the mutants will relocate somewhere under water, or near it.

[coconutphone]

If Emma stays in charge of a Dark X-Men team he's a pefect fit to be her co-leader/#2.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Does anyone at this point see Namor staying on the X-Men, or at least being associated with them after Utopia?

He could of course move on to the post-Utopia four-person strong Dark X-Men team but he does not seem to be a good fit for that title as Cornell and Kirk described it.

Another option would be for him to turn against them during or directly after Utopia but that would seem to be a waste of all this setup to bring him in. There are after all more compelling X-villains. It would also make Emma look really sad to have made the X-Men a new powerful enemy just for his very brief service on her Dark X-Men team, they could probably just have used any generic strong guy character instead.

If he's working together with the X-Men OTOH there seems to be much more potential. He might very well be involved with the new Nation-X storyline if the mutants will relocate somewhere under water, or near it.

Yeah, I actually see this story going in that direction.

[08er]

Namor's an ass he has no business with the X-men the minute he arrives he'll take over the pool and order the students to spread his atlantean creed and try to fight Colossus, Wolverine, and Nightcrawler at once

[Monty_Cristo]

i hate affirmative action. Namor joining just means a more qualified mutant Shortpack doesn't get to be an X-man.

[Omega Alpha]

Does anyone at this point see Namor staying on the X-Men, or at least being associated with them after Utopia?

He could of course move on to the post-Utopia four-person strong Dark X-Men team but he does not seem to be a good fit for that title as Cornell and Kirk described it.

Another option would be for him to turn against them during or directly after Utopia but that would seem to be a waste of all this setup to bring him in. There are after all more compelling X-villains. It would also make Emma look really sad to have made the X-Men a new powerful enemy just for his very brief service on her Dark X-Men team, they could probably just have used any generic strong guy character instead.

If he's working together with the X-Men OTOH there seems to be much more potential. He might very well be involved with the new Nation-X storyline if the mutants will relocate somewhere under water, or near it.

He will end up as an enemy eventually, and yes, in the end Emma's Dark X-men will result in nothing but cause trouble to the X-men and more enemies, but that was obvious from the start, being pretty much the same that happened to Stark in Civil War: trying to control the evil never gets a good result.

For the team, he's as bad of a fit as they come; even people like Magneto and Exodus would actually work out much better as X-men than he would. The storyline would simply be: "Namor whines, refuses to take orders, fights with Wolverine, accepts the X-men more, and then leaves". Pretty predictable and boring. The X-men don't need him and he doesn't need the X-men.

As a villain, he could work because he isn't a unidimensional evil type, and actually has an entire nation working for him. Though it wouldn't be that different of Mags in Genosha.

Though I still prefer if he NEVER got involved with the X-men in the first place.

[yanapryde]

Dani and Roberto ARE X-Men.
The others on the list are excellent 'would-be-could-be's though.

[steve2275]

He'd quit the first time Cyclops gave him anything that even resembled an order.

Want proof? See what happened when Magneto showed up, offered him a piece of the Scarlet Witch, and tried to make him a member of the Brotherhood in Uncanny X-Men #6. First time Magnus gave him grief, he just jumped back into the sea.yup
namor's too stubborn to b an x man
altho i wouldnt mind seeing as one
he could fly and drop COLOSSUS as a bomb

[Raptor]

He has wings on his feet.

Screw namor.

[the Hornet]

The only person who could give Namor an order would be Steve Rogers.

[Illmatik]

Dani and Roberto ARE X-Men.
The others on the list are excellent 'would-be-could-be's though.

They're not considered "official" X-Men though. New Mutants, X-Factor and the other sub teams aren't X-Men, even though they're on the same side.

As for Namor, I think it would be interesting to see him as an X-Man, at least temporarily, especially at a leadership position. Provided it's written well and not the usual predictable Namor.

[the Hornet]

They're not considered "official" X-Men though. New Mutants, X-Factor and the other sub teams aren't X-Men, even though they're on the same side.

As for Namor, I think it would be interesting to see him as an X-Man, at least temporarily, especially at a leadership position. Provided it's written well and not the usual predictable Namor.


Actually they are. The writer of the New Mutants series stated that his cast are actual X-Men appearing in a book called "New Mutants". So they are.

[nikbackm]

He will end up as an enemy eventually, and yes, in the end Emma's Dark X-men will result in nothing but cause trouble to the X-men and more enemies, but that was obvious from the start, being pretty much the same that happened to Stark in Civil War: trying to control the evil never gets a good result.

Eventually, most likely, but right now I can't see Marvel missing such an opportunity to have Namor affiliated with the X-Men for a time. Otherwise he would just have been there to beat up a few lame sentinels and then provide the X-Men with one more enemy to fight in Exodus.

You can compare Namor with other dirty secrets that has come back to haunt the X-Men; Danger - was exposed eventually, but in the meantime they got the benefit of proper training; X-Force - will also be exposed and cause trouble, but right now they are taking out some severe threats against mutants (mostly cosmetic threats, but still).

So it seems he still would have something to offer in that regard.


For the team, he's as bad of a fit as they come; even people like Magneto and Exodus would actually work out much better as X-men than he would. The storyline would simply be: "Namor whines, refuses to take orders, fights with Wolverine, accepts the X-men more, and then leaves". Pretty predictable and boring. The X-men don't need him and he doesn't need the X-men.


Yeah, I don't really see him fitting in as one of the normal "worker" X-Men (like Iceman, Colossus etc.) merely taking orders from Cyclops, he'll be more akin to an ally instead of a proper team member.

[FeminineMystique]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;7984365']I've been thinking about this for a while after reading this:

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2796.Take_10~colon~_Would-Be_X-Men

I was wondering what everyone here thought of Namor joining the X-Men. How would this work out and how would it benefit the stories?

What could be done with this? How would this change the team dynamic? How would this impact the X-men stories and how would this also affect the structure of the X-Universe? These same questions go for Namor's supporting cast.

Also, how would the addition of Atlantis benefit the X-Men mythos and the X-Universe in general?

He would yell "Imperius Rex" a lot, annoying the others until Domino had enough and just shot him.

He would also embark on a whirlwind romance with Emma, stealing her away from Cyclops until she dumped him because he smells of haddock. And that's not an attractive scent.

[Omega Alpha]

The only person who could give Namor an order would be Steve Rogers.

A lot of people can give Namor orders. However, give him orders and actually make him obey is something else.:biggrin:

[Gnarl]

Namor is too powerful to work as a standard X-Man.

I can't see him working well as a field operative, unless it was under a carefully arranged deal. Which is basically how Emma got him on her team, it seems.

The only way I could see him "join the X-Men" would be in a headmaster-like position. He is a century old, the first mutant, and a King that simply takes obedience for granted.

Basically, he is a force on the level of Magneto and Xavier, in terms of power, personality, experience, and skills. Not Colossus and Nightcrawler.
And while the X-man have had member with insane power levels before, they have tended to be less authoritative and dominant personality wise.

If Scott leaves, or if his present course leads him into some crisis, maybe he'd accept Namor as an Xavier-figure. At the same time,he does not have Xaviers mental manipulativeness, and is far more down with the proactive approach.

After all, Namor knows what its like to be the one with the fate of his whole people resting on him. That has been his life for decades.

As to why Namor would do this...that more difficult. At the moment, he has sworn to consider mutants his people as much as the atlanteans. Something it was hinted he has wanted for some time. (Note that this means he considers himself the King of the mutants). But that is going to come crashing down the moment he finds out about Emmas duplicity.

Maybe Toro might ask him?

[Gnarl]

Having thought about it, I could see Namors argument:

"Mutants suffer because Xavier and Magneto spent all their power, all their resources on destroying each others works.

Did you think it was a coincidence that the first mutant born was born a King? Ruler over seven tenths of this world? A telepath, an energy manipulator, stronger than the Hulk. I tell you, it was no coincidence. You should have come to me first!"

[FeminineMystique]

Having thought about it, I could see Namors argument:

"Mutants suffer because Xavier and Magneto spent all their power, all their resources on destroying each others works.

Did you think it was a coincidence that the first mutant born was born a King? Ruler over seven tenths of this world? A telepath, an energy manipulator, stronger than the Hulk. I tell you, it was no coincidence. You should have come to me first!"

First mutant? Seline predates him by a LONG time

[Gnarl]

First mutant? Seline predates him by a LONG time

Technically true. Selene, Apocalypse, any surviving external predates him by quite a bit.

Namor is, however, publicly considered the first mutant. And I don't think he is a guy who would let a technicality keep him from telling people how great he is.

[Omega Alpha]

Technically true. Selene, Apocalypse, any surviving external predates him by quite a bit.

Namor is, however, publicly considered the first mutant. And I don't think he is a guy who would let a technicality keep him from telling people how great he is.

Wolverine himself is older than Namor.

And Hulk would have words with him if he claimed to be stronger. And by have words, I mean beat his ass to a pulp.

[Gnarl]

The Hulk has tried. It hasn't gone well for the Hulk, hes had draws and one very severe loss. Namor is perhaps the only brick who has a an undefeated record against the Hulk.

Anyway, my point was not what is factually accurate, but what Namor would claim. The two are not quite the same, if you take my point:)

But I think I know one mutant who would be right down with Namor as King of the Mutants:

Exodus.

The opportunity to serve a real mutant King should sit well with his feudal background. And I suspect the royal arrogance of Namors that grates on so many is something he'd just accept as natural for a King.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

He has wings on his feet.

Screw namor.

Wolverine is short and hairy. :confused:
Wolverine himself is older than Namor.

And Hulk would have words with him if he claimed to be stronger. And by have words, I mean beat his ass to a pulp.

Hasn't Namor beaten the crap out of the Hulk a few times, including on dry land? He also knocked Hulk TFO once, reverting him back to Banner

[Blind pugh]

I don't even like the idea that Namor is considered a mutant.
Likewise.
And the same goes for Cloak & Dagger.

[Omega Alpha]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9462889']
Hasn't Namor beaten the crap out of the Hulk a few times, including on dry land? He also knocked Hulk TFO once, reverting him back to Banner

Namor's fanboys are the new Wolverine fanboys:rolleyes: Next thing they'll talk how he can take down Thor and the Silver Surfer...together.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Namor's fanboys are the new Wolverine fanboys:rolleyes: Next thing they'll talk how he can take down Thor and the Silver Surfer...together.

Except the Namor/Hulk stuff actually happened on-panel.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t360473.html

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/topics/60882p1.html

[Raptor]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9462889']Wolverine is short and hairy. :confused:


Hasn't Namor beaten the crap out of the Hulk a few times, including on dry land? He also knocked Hulk TFO once, reverting him back to Banner

Yes Wolverine is.

However, that is not as rediculous.

I in hindsight can take the thread seriously now and shall reply properly: taht said I still stand by my first reaction.

The stories told regarding the X-Men are a little more soap opera-y than Namor could fit.

Namor's response will always be "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence and few can take him down.

Someone sleeps with Namor's girl : "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Magneto returns and threatens the X-Men:"Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Cyclops tells Namor to stop shagging Emma in front on him: "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Namor stubs a toe on one of his precious winged feet: "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence


See a trend? Not a very interesting one. It was boring to post but in truth that's about all the stories would amount to/thats all he would really do in said story. Especially with Fraction writing him, which is where he is appearing now ...and...likely will be until Fractions run ends....

Fraction has been improving some in my opinion...but still...

I say NO.

Maybe if a new writer gets ahold of Namor and starts making him talk/think more, matter more, and roar 'n' smash less. Still I don't think the mighty Lord of the Sea fits on any team other than the JLA...wrong universe...but you get the idea.

[Raptor]

Namor's fanboys are the new Wolverine fanboys:rolleyes: Next thing they'll talk how he can take down Thor and the Silver Surfer...together.

Yeah more or less.

The thread might as well has said.

Namor is awesome: agree with all my points!


Actually seeing Namor on panel with Pixie just once would be awesome.

He could either crush her flat or get pwned by her and lose all credibility...either way...I win!:cool:

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Yes Wolverine is.

However, that is not as rediculous.

You mean not as ridiculous as the power of being short, turning the color blue on command, looking like a bird, being overweight, translating language, etc. (although I'm a fan of most of these characters)? Or how about someone wearing a costume with wings on their head? Or wearing roller-blades as part of your costume? Or giant stillts being being someone's motif? Or a man in full armor wearing a green skirt?

I in hindsight can take the thread seriously now and shall reply properly: taht said I still stand by my first reaction.

The stories told regarding the X-Men are a little more soap opera-y than Namor could fit.

Namor's response will always be "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence and few can take him down.

Someone sleeps with Namor's girl : "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Magneto returns and threatens the X-Men:"Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Cyclops tells Namor to stop shagging Emma in front on him: "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence

Namor stubs a toe on one of his precious winged feet: "Imperious Rex!" followed by a lot of violence


See a trend? Not a very interesting one. It was boring to post but in truth that's about all the stories would amount to/thats all he would really do in said story. Especially with Fraction writing him, which is where he is appearing now ...and...likely will be until Fractions run ends....

Fraction has been improving some in my opinion...but still...

I say NO.

Maybe if a new writer gets ahold of Namor and starts making him talk/think more, matter more, and roar 'n' smash less. Still I don't think the mighty Lord of the Sea fits on any team other than the JLA...wrong universe...but you get the idea.

Wha?

I take it you haven't read much Namor? :confused: That hasn't even been how he's depicted in a large portion of his appearances.

He fought in WWII, including joining up with both the All-Winners Squad and with the Invaders. He was also a member of the Defenders as well as the Avengers. He's been married twice. Of course, Namor has ruled over his own Kingdom. In addition to that, he has ran his own business, including buying out or putting down rival and/or irresponsible corporations. He was also chosen as a member of the Illuminati (the only member Hulk didn't touch because he didn't fuck up like the other five did), as well as the Cabal. That's four teams, six if you cout those last two. Namor also conducted and was successful in his investigation of a rogue Atlantean splinter cell, all while Iron Man was acting like a douche. He also enacted a plan to evacuate all the inhabitants of Atlantis and then destroy the city after it had been compromised. That's after he thwarted a coup attempt (which he has done a number of other times). Once again, Namor was the only voice of reason in a group that included Reed Richards, Tony Stark and Charles Xavier. He's done plenty of "thinking", as well as plenty of reasonable talking. Plus, he was Wolverine before there ever was a Wolverine (minus the 100 books and the mutant ability to be on multiple teams at the same time, but still the same number of team-ups and guest appearances). Namor also has the Time Gem in his possesion.

Plus, there has already been suggestions on how he could be utilized:

I could see it working if done right. I can see Namor having some grief in Atlantis over the fact that he is diferent, being of mixed heritage. he decides that things are running okay for now, and leaves on a "vacation" to give the political climate at home some time to settle down. Maybe he meets an Atlantean mutant (has there ever been a pure bread atlantean mutant?) and decides that he needs to do something for his subject. Atlantic is not a terribly accepting and tolerant place for someone that is diferent, and Namor decides to find somewhere more suitable for the outcast. He brings that young mutant to the X-Men to see if they are suitible to care for his young charge. He stays there for a few days, getting a feel for the way the place works. Dsepite the problems being associated with the surface dwelling mutants, he decides that he can't top their expertise when it comes to training young mutants. He leaves the kid in their care, but something unfortunate happens after he leaves, where the kid is killed or injured, either by doing something heroic or as a result of some evil mutant attack. Namor joins with the team for a short while to either honor the request of the child or to avenge them.

He would make a decided effort to "play nice" while he is there out of respect for their overall mission, if not for them in particular. He secretly actually enjoys being "just another part of the team" for a little while, not being burdened with ruling or leading anyone, and since the leadership of these X-Men is at least tolerable in it's competancy. He could agree to submit to working with them, provided he was treated with the proper respect.

He could actually find some enjoyment with some of the X-Men. He is a very complex charachter, with a manyfacited personality. He could find ways to at least converse, or possibly even relate once in a while, with a variety of the X-Men charachters.

He could fill a role temporarily as a lecturer (if not exactly an actual teacher) to the students on a wide variety of subjects, from 20th century history (since he was there for most of it), economics, business, political science, oceanography, biology and probably even languages. He would aslo be a huge benefit to them in terms of training. He is one of the most experienced fighters in the world in general. And he has first hand experience fighting pretty much every single major hero and villian that the X-Men might want to have a contingency plan for.
Having one of the most powerful heroes on the planet, and one with some of the most political clout and resources, would instantly give them their cred back as far as being a MAJOR force, not necissarily to be reconned with, but not to be messed with.

Based on the upside, I think that they X-Men would kiss a MAJOR ammount of ass to get him to come aboard for a little while. They have dealt with a lot of bad atitudes over the years, from Wolverine, to Cable, to Northstar, to Marrow. And Namor would be just another one to be massaged.

I think it would be great seeing him interact on a personal level with the X-Men. He might get into discussions on spirituality and religion with Nightcrawler. Talk philosophy and art with Colossus. Commiserate with Cyclops about having a onetime love turn into a dangerous monster, as well as discuss srtategy and tactics over a chess game. He could talk business with Emma. He and Wolverine could share war stories with the students.

It would be a great scene with him giving a lecture about superbeings through out modern history. He discusses the Invaders, and one of the students derides Jim as being "just some robot" or Steve as being "some flatscan with a flag", and Namor slaps him down hard, like that speech in Jurasic park that makes that bratty kid almost crap his pants in the beginning of the movie.

If he's working together with the X-Men OTOH there seems to be much more potential. He might very well be involved with the new Nation-X storyline if the mutants will relocate somewhere under water, or near it.

Yeah, I don't really see him fitting in as one of the normal "worker" X-Men (like Iceman, Colossus etc.) merely taking orders from Cyclops, he'll be more akin to an ally instead of a proper team member.

Namor is too powerful to work as a standard X-Man.

I can't see him working well as a field operative, unless it was under a carefully arranged deal. Which is basically how Emma got him on her team, it seems.

The only way I could see him "join the X-Men" would be in a headmaster-like position. He is a century old, the first mutant, and a King that simply takes obedience for granted.

Basically, he is a force on the level of Magneto and Xavier, in terms of power, personality, experience, and skills. Not Colossus and Nightcrawler.
And while the X-man have had member with insane power levels before, they have tended to be less authoritative and dominant personality wise.

If Scott leaves, or if his present course leads him into some crisis, maybe he'd accept Namor as an Xavier-figure. At the same time,he does not have Xaviers mental manipulativeness, and is far more down with the proactive approach.

After all, Namor knows what its like to be the one with the fate of his whole people resting on him. That has been his life for decades.

As to why Namor would do this...that more difficult. At the moment, he has sworn to consider mutants his people as much as the atlanteans. Something it was hinted he has wanted for some time. (Note that this means he considers himself the King of the mutants). But that is going to come crashing down the moment he finds out about Emmas duplicity.

Maybe Toro might ask him?

As for writing Namor in general, even Omega Alpha has the right idea:

Well written, he should be in the gray area. Honorable but willing to do bad stuff if he thinks is necessary. He should be portayed as smart and experienced though, not an arrogant idiot who spends all his time thinking he's gonna get some with already compromised blondes.

Though I disagree about the chasing blondes. :biggrin:

Plus, Namor has dealt with plenty of "soap opera" both in and out of his own ongoing books and minis.

[coconutphone]

Good points. Namor is awesome. Always has been.

[Omega Alpha]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9465627']
Though I disagree about the chasing blondes. :biggrin:


I think Namor should be both smart enough to avoid this sort of situations and too arrogant to be chasing women. He should think that women should beg for one night with him, not the other way around.

[toddcam]

Absolutely not. I have never even understood how he qualifies as a mutant. He's a half-Atlantean. His pale skin and winged feet and ability to breathe air can easily be explained by just being half-human.

Either way, he has never had any interest in mutant rights. He has no personal connections to any of the members. He would be constantly obsessing over Atlantean affairs and be pretty worthless if he lived in the ocean.

[Majinoaw]

Quick question about Namor. Did his wings heal from Venom ripping them out in the Submariner mini a while back?- have they revealed how on panel yet...

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Good points. Namor is awesome. Always has been.

On a side note, Namor is adept in the design/development and use of Atlantean technology. So he could probably team up with Beast in that regard.

I think Namor should be both smart enough to avoid this sort of situations and too arrogant to be chasing women. He should think that women should beg for one night with him, not the other way around.

True. You have a point. They probably might be his form of "Kryptonite" though (fish man's Kryptonite?).

Absolutely not. I have never even understood how he qualifies as a mutant. He's a half-Atlantean. His pale skin and winged feet and ability to breathe air can easily be explained by just being half-human.

I posted this in the questions thread:

Yes he has, and no it never made any sense to me. Namor is a crossbreed--half human, half Atlantean, and has mutations because of that. You can give him the added bonus of the X-gene, but why complicate it? Besides that would still make him half mutant, half Atlantean.

He still has abilities that aren't explained by either his Atlantean or human side. Plus, you've sort of answered your question with your last sentence. He's most likely an X-gene carrier on his human side. Plus, their's also Crosta, who's a pure Atlantean mutant, but with different abilities as well.

His only mutation are those stupid little wing on his ankles. Lame.

Actually, that's not his only mutation. I posted this in another thread.

Actually, this is Namor's full mutation. This includes stuff like the abilities of marine animals (including electrical manipulation from electric eels and the like.) This is basically stuff that can't be explained by either his human or Atlantean physiology.

Because of his unusual genetic heritage, Namor is unique among both ordinary humans and Atlanteans; he is sometimes referred to as "Marvel's first mutant," because, while the majority of his observed superhuman powers come from the fact that he's a hybrid of Human and Atlantean DNA, his ability to fly can't be explained by either side (Atlanteans are an off-shoot of "baseline" humanity); though, in terms of in-continuity chronology, there were many mutants in existence before Namor. Namor possesses a fully amphibious physiology suited for extreme undersea pressures, superhuman strength, speed, agility, durability, flight, telepathic control over marine life, a radar sense, electrical powers, and slowed aging. Namor has the ability to survive underwater for indefinite periods, and specially developed vision which gives him the ability to see clearly in the murky depths of the ocean.

After he was revived yet again in the 1960s by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, Namor demonstrated powers that had not been shown in earlier stories. In The Fantastic Four #9 (Dec. 1962), he states, "I have the powers of all the creatures who live beneath the sea! I can charge the very air with electricity — using the power of the electric eel!" In the same issue, "the radar sense of the cave fish from the lowest depths of the sea" enables him to sense the presence of Sue Storm when she is invisible. He uses "the power to surround himself with electricity in the manner of an electric eel" again in Strange Tales #107 (April 1963), and #125 (Oct. 1964); in the former he as well manifests the power to inflate his body like a puffer fish. These extra powers were ignored, however, when Marvel gave Namor his own feature beginning in Tales To Astonish #70 (Aug. 1965).

Namor also possesses wings on his ankles to which he attributes his power of flight. On occasions when they have been lost or badly damaged, he has experienced a loss of flying ability. He could not fly as a child, and the power only manifested when the wings developed in adolescence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namor#Powers_and_abilities

Plus, that's like saying Wolverine is stupid because his only mutation is that he heals fast and has canine-sniffing (pre-bone claw recton).

Either way, he has never had any interest in mutant rights. He has no personal connections to any of the members. He would be constantly obsessing over Atlantean affairs and be pretty worthless if he lived in the ocean.

He's recently pledged to treat mutantkind as if they were his own people. But given the thing with Shaw, it depends on where the writers go with this.

Plus, he's recently sent an Atlantean kid (a mutant) to go and train with the X-Men or the rest of the mutants at Greymalkin. So it's possible that the mutation may exist in more of the Atlantean people.

Quick question about Namor. Did his wings heal from Venom ripping them out in the Submariner mini a while back?- have they revealed how on panel yet...

IICR, they grew back pretty quickly. Not too long after it happened, near the end of that same mini in fact. Namor does have a healing factor, which is strongest when underwater.

[Iron Maiden]

I don't think the proper term for Namor would be mutant. He's a hybrid offspring of two different species...homo sapien and homo mermanus. IIRC from high school biology :biggrin: , mutations occur within the same species. I think Marvel just tagged him with that "first mutant" stuff as a sales booster in the 1990's series.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I don't think the proper term for Namor would be mutant. He's a hybrid offspring of two different species...homo sapien and homo mermanus. IIRC from high school biology :biggrin: , mutations occur within the same species. I think Marvel just tagged him with that "first mutant" stuff as a sales booster in the 1990's series.

He has an X-gene.

Namor's been identified as a mutant since the 60's, including the time both Xavier and Magneto tried recruit way back in Uncanny #6. He's also been detected/examined and verified as an X-gene carrier multiple times already.

And again, there's all the extra powers not explained by his hybrid-ism.

[nikbackm]

Looks like Namor will join in one capacity or other in spite of all the naysayers.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/sm/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg)

Of course it was pretty much that or limbo, it's not like another enemy would be needed with Magneto coming back.

He will be showing up next in Dark Reign List: X-Men, where he will have a larger role than we've seen so far. Coming out the same day as Uncanny #515.

[q.u.e.e.n.]

Looks like Namor will join in one capacity or other in spite of all the naysayers.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/sm/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg)

Disgusting.

I don't care how attractive Land manages to make him on the cover, I will never like him. Ever. Especially when he's still on the same pages as Emma.

Yes, Namor has the x-gene, but he's never played a pivotal role before so I wish they hadn't started now.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Disgusting.

I don't care how attractive Land manages to make him on the cover, I will never like him. Ever.

Well, not exactly my area of expertise (though I find Namorita hot), but maybe you prefer this? :biggrin:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/0/0d/Sub-Mariner_Vol_2_2.jpg

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/0/05/Ult_namor_head.jpg/440px-Ult_namor_head.jpg

lol

[Uncanny Madman]

It could be interesting seeing how he'd fit in (or wouldn't) but I generally prefer Namor in a supporting character role. I don't like him anywhere near enough for him to be a main character in any book I'm reading. Of course, if the cast of Uncanny gets any bigger, every single character who appears in it will be nothing more than supporting cast so...:tongue:

[Raptor]

Alright...

Seriously...Am I the only one who finds the wing feet totally stupid?

I can't take him seriously.

Do they do anything?

I didn't know VEnom ripped them out, thats the best thing that's eve happened to namor and he grew them back....damn half fish.

Ultimately, I'll apologize for the trolling, but...I just can't agree with this I also can't see how someone would want this...but...to each their own I guess.

I just wanted to be sure I wasn't the only one who felt this way. I'll leave you all to your aquaman discussion...

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Alright...

Seriously...Am I the only one who finds the wing feet totally stupid?

I can't take him seriously.

Do they do anything?

They give him his flight abilities.

[Uncanny Madman]

Alright...

Seriously...Am I the only one who finds the wing feet totally stupid?

I can't take him seriously.

Do they do anything?

Aren't they what make him fly?

Physically impossible obviously but then it is comics...

[invisiblefive]

seeing the cover for november "uncanny" ,i have the feeling that it will happen, and that we will actually see a team of x-men comprised of magneto, namor and deadpool(i'm not mentionning the current x-men team, oviously they'll be here):biggrin:
it's weird, but it really feels that way, to me anyway...

well, as weird as it can be, i'm ready to give it a shot. the decision would make sense on two different levels:
commercialy speaking, marvel knows that expanding groups to members that are not necessarily affiliated with them has been working for the avengers (with the inclusion of wolverine and spider-man, who had, so far, been very far from the avengers). so using the same technics to the x-men could work (it all depends on the writng)
instead of having constantly the same roster, or having to invent random new characters, or have to make b-lister move to the team in order to keep things fresh, it's better to open up to different and new characters whoo already has an appeal to the fans. so Namor could fit into that general idea.
secondly, it makes sense story wise, since it seems ,at least to me, that the x-men are going to move to an island (and the forum seems to agree with me, if i judge by the astonishing success of my speculation thread about exodus- 5 pages already:biggrin: ). so this "nation x" could be a good compromise between cyclops sanctuaary for mutants, namor's atlantis and magneto genosha (in the case he would join the team)
so i agree with namor on the x-men.
(please excuse my english)

[AcesX1X]

q.u.e.e.n., let's discuss your opinions on namor in more detail.

[Monty_Cristo]

First mutant? Seline predates him by a LONG time


Shortpack would still hit it. he's no ageist.

[Chief Jon]

Looks like Namor will join in one capacity or other in spite of all the naysayers.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/sm/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg)

Of course it was pretty much that or limbo, it's not like another enemy would be needed with Magneto coming back.

He will be showing up next in Dark Reign List: X-Men, where he will have a larger role than we've seen so far. Coming out the same day as Uncanny #515.

Awesome. I know not everybody agrees with me, but Namor is my favorite Marvel character and having him as an X-Man is a dream come true for me. He and the Torch were the original heroes fighting for a world that feared and hated them. Imperius Rex!

[Giles]

Alright...

Seriously...Am I the only one who finds the wing feet totally stupid?

I can't take him seriously.

Do they do anything?

I didn't know VEnom ripped them out, thats the best thing that's eve happened to namor and he grew them back....damn half fish.

Ultimately, I'll apologize for the trolling, but...I just can't agree with this I also can't see how someone would want this...but...to each their own I guess.

I just wanted to be sure I wasn't the only one who felt this way. I'll leave you all to your aquaman discussion...

Agreed. Namor is such an incredible dull character - I can't see the reason to why they would involve him with the x-world - well, besides the "Emma-thing".

[Monty_Cristo]

Shortpack once tried to buy ankle wings off of e-bay. turns out it was a red bull advertisement.

[coconutphone]

Me too! Love Namor.

[AcesX1X]

Me too! Love Namor.

me too, phone!

[Gamiel]

First mutant? Seline predates him by a LONG time

First known mutant of modern time

[Red Lotus]

Looks like Namor will join in one capacity or other in spite of all the naysayers.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/sm/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg)

Of course it was pretty much that or limbo, it's not like another enemy would be needed with Magneto coming back.

He will be showing up next in Dark Reign List: X-Men, where he will have a larger role than we've seen so far. Coming out the same day as Uncanny #515.

Wow so Scott will have both Namor and Magneto following his orders.

[coconutphone]

Yeah he's the 1st as chronogically presented. Selene and Apocalypse etc. showed up in a comic after.

[stillanerd]

Should have seen this one coming. Since Dark Reign has established that Emma and Namor have sexual history together, it appears he's being geared to be what Wolverine's role was when Cyclops and Jean were a couple during the Chris Claremont days--that of the cynical, kick-ass, loner bad boy who comes between Scott and his girl by making her lust after him. And if the Utopia storyline ends with that while Emma is still on the team, her relationship with Scott is now strained due to the fact they didn't trust each other with regards to their overall plans (not to mention Emma's cooperation with Osborn is not going to sit well with the other X-Men in general) and that this is going to leave Namor an opening to try and seduce her away from Cyclops. But considering how Namor was created back in 1939 long before Wolverine even showed up, he's Marvel's original cynical, kick-ass, loner bad boy.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Agreed. Namor is such an incredible dull character - I can't see the reason to why they would involve him with the x-world - well, besides the "Emma-thing".

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9465627&postcount=70

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9465969&postcount=75

[wolvie616]

deadpool i can live with

if mags is like his 80's version, i can live,

but NAMOR?!

[Gnarl]

I don't think the proper term for Namor would be mutant. He's a hybrid offspring of two different species...homo sapien and homo mermanus. IIRC from high school biology :biggrin: , mutations occur within the same species. I think Marvel just tagged him with that "first mutant" stuff as a sales booster in the 1990's series.

He is both a mutant and a hybrid. That is why he has such a large number of powers.

Like Wolverine and Forge are mutants with cybernetic enhancements.

I don't think they have ever specified which of his powers are mutant, and which are hybrid. (And if any are due to descent from the Olympians, if true).

Maybe with the X-men, we'd get that answered.

And people who think him boring should read his putdown of the new kid in Dark Avengers :)

[steve2275]

Looks like Namor will join in one capacity or other in spite of all the naysayers.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/sm/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg (http://comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/200911/119_UNCANNY_X_MEN_517.jpg)
thats not namor
thats cody rhodes :tongue:

[chrissstopher]

Namor would not take orders and will not cooperate... and why should he? He's a former king... he should focus on getting his kingdom back, not furthering the mutant cause in SF... from a character standpoint, he could not care less about that.

[GambitXRemy]

I'm Glad there finally putting him some where, where there will be new avenues of story telling for Namor

[GambitXRemy]

Namor would not take orders and will not cooperate... and why should he? He's a former king... he should focus on getting his kingdom back, not furthering the mutant cause in SF... from a character standpoint, he could not care less about that.

Maybe thats what cyclops plans are to get namor to protect mutants and he's people 2

[Giles]

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http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=9465969&postcount=75

He's still a boring character though - sorry.

[Giles]

Double post

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

He's still a boring character though - sorry.

So how would you define "boring" and "interesting"? :biggrin:

[Raptor]

This thread is still going???

W O W

I think someone is pushing Namor to hard.

I really like Gambit.

The boards her at large do not.

I don't waste time trying to impress or force him down people's throats...not in any serious fashion.

That might make me a less than loyal fan...or it might just mean I have better things to do than defend a fictional fishman with winged feet...er red eyed cajun playboy with explosive powers.... my bad.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

This thread is still going???

W O W

I think someone is pushing Namor to hard.

I really like Gambit.

The boards her at large do not.

I don't waste time trying to impress or force him down people's throats...not in any serious fashion.

That might make me a less than loyal fan...or it might just mean I have better things to do than defend a fictional fishman with winged feet...er red eyed cajun playboy with explosive powers.... my bad.

I don't really see who's "pushing" him. The thread just keep getting bumped for some reason. :confused:

[Giles]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9498067']So how would you define "boring" and "interesting"? :biggrin:

How I would define it? Boring (http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/320/800/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_157137.jpg) - interesting (http://www.physorg.com/news169989024.html).

I think that you may find this blog (http://michaelmay.blogspot.com/search/label/sub-mariner) very interesting Nite. ;)

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

How I would define it? Boring (http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/320/800/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_157137.jpg) - interesting (http://www.physorg.com/news169989024.html).

I think that you may find this blog (http://michaelmay.blogspot.com/search/label/sub-mariner) very interesting Nite. ;)

I meant in terms of writing and character development. :biggrin:

Interesting blog. Have you read the Byrne Namor by any chance?

[Giles]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9498309']I meant in terms of writing and character development. :biggrin:

I know you did. :wink:

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9498309']Interesting blog. Have you read the Byrne Namor by any chance?

Namor is just not my thing Nite...but who knows...a few years back I wouldn't even have noticed an Avenger book, and now...

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I know you did. :wink:

Yeah. :tongue: *Notable tidbit: DC's and Geoff Johns' method of making Black Adam interesting was turning him into a Namor clone.

Namor is just not my thing Nite...but who knows...a few years back I wouldn't even have noticed an Avenger book, and now...

It was good stuff. There's also the "Sub-Mariner: The Depths" mini that came out recently.

[Raptor]

I have one good memory of Namor:

I bought a comic simply becasue he was trying to shove a torpedo down a nazi's throat...people claim that that nazi is supposed to be Hitler. i do not know, nor care. The scene is poster material.

[GambitXRemy]

I wonder if cyke would ever make a mutant Cabal

[GambitXRemy]

Mutant Cabal

Cyclops
Magneto
Namor
Emma