CBR: Marvel Comics On Sale December 4th, 2008

[CBR News]

Courtesy of Marvel, CBR brings you advance looks at new comics on sale this Thursday including "X-Infernus" #1, "Hulk Family" #1, "Immortal Iron Fist" #20, "Punisher Max: X-Mas Special," "She-Hulk: Cosmic Collision," and more.


Full article here (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18977).

[creaky]

Gah! On the "X-men: manifest destiny #4" page, there's only pages from X-men: Noir! *kicks and screams*

[Eye in the Sky]

Wow this is one of the few times Cable has actually looked really, really good.

[creaky]

Also, what is going ON with the "What if? House of M" art? I feel like I'm looking at really, really bad porn.

Weapon X: First class #2: Logan takes disturbing pleasure in looking at himself naked. I don't know what to make of this.

[jarrod]

OMG I peeked in on New Exiles... Moira Kinross?!?!

I may have to pick up this arc. :biggrin:

[yamiangie]

I looked at "What if? House of M" and thought why is Bucky popping up in all these X books. I have to resist the urge to nit pick on the how he's slightly different looking then in the original Winter Solider storyline Also I almost thought Tony was in two places at once before I realized one was Strange. Wonder how if they had it mess with Namor.

[creaky]

Bishop destroying the world was comedy gold! Oh Marvel, you so wacky.

[timbox]

Mystiq is an idiot.

[worstblogever]

If the preview is any indication, I think the coolness of the Shi'ar Death Commandos from "End of Greys" will only be diluted by their alternate (I hope they're definitely different origins, anyway) counterparts on this Earth. Seeing Moira (MacTaggart) Kinross, Warren Worthington, and another Samantha Summers all as agents of the Shi'ar Empire is a bit hard to swallow.

As is the number of Earths where someone shouts, "WHAT THE DEVIL!?!" This time, it's another Iron Man derivative.

Combined with further exploitation of a minor by keeping Exiles Cat dressed up as Tigra?

Surely the whole issue can't be this bad. Can it?

[creaky]

Surely the whole issue can't be this bad. Can it?

Why do you keep asking that?

[timbox]

Surely the whole issue can't be this bad. Can it?

Of course not, there is an entire separate story dedicated to Sage in this very issue.

[Leirus]

Ohh... I love Moira original surname... Kinross. Sadly, it seems it is going to be the only thing to like here...

[worstblogever]

Why do you keep asking that?

I hope for the best, and fear for the worst.

Of course not, there is an entire separate story dedicated to Sage in this very issue.

Oh, well that certainly bodes well, then.

[Leirus]

The crap. So Bishop is killing 6000 billion persons to avoid having the child kill 1 million humans? uh?

[creaky]

The crap. So Bishop is killing 6000 billion persons to avoid having the child kill 1 million humans? uh?

Ever since he lost Sage, his math has been off.:frown:

[Leirus]

"In a world where dinosaurs and humans fight side by side to ensure global security..."

and then, it even gets worse

[just another user]

"In a world where dinosaurs and humans fight side by side to ensure global security..."

and then, it even gets worse

No way Leirus, The Shiar Death Commandos are the best thing that has happened in Exiles yet.

And Iron Man saying "What the Devil", I LOLed, which is surely the purpose at this point.

[Eye in the Sky]

"In a world where dinosaurs and humans fight side by side to ensure global security..."

and then, it even gets worse

That's just priceless.

[AcesX1X]

LOL colossus has lots of hurtful things to say to cyclops. he even pulls the jean card in front of emma!

[Leirus]

No way Leirus, The Shiar Death Commandos are the best thing that has happened in Exiles yet.

And Iron Man saying "What the Devil", I LOLed, which is surely the purpose at this point.

No really, when I saw Moira in that campy outfit yelling nonsenses, I could see my childhood crash and burn.

What will be next? The morlocks with Bill Summers as Masque and Amelie Drake as Callisto?

An alternate Doc Strange with Christine Worthington as Dormammu?

The avengers with Stevie Hunter as The Wasp?

Someone needs to stop this right now !!

[worstblogever]

No really, when I saw Moira in that campy outfit yelling nonsenses, I could see my childhood crash and burn.

What will be next? The morlocks with Bill Summers as Masque and Amelie Drake as Callisto?

An alternate Doc Strange with Christine Worthington as Dormammu?

The avengers with Stevie Hunter as The Wasp?

Someone needs to stop this right now !!

As of issue #18, it is. :redface:

[RafiShai]

So, can we finally admit that Bishop is a villain? I mean, there's no real way to judge him any other way anymore.

"Oh, me? Yeah I destroyed the whole world. But no man, it was totally for the right reason! See, I had to 'contain' this dude with a baby,"

Villain.

[just another user]

So, can we finally admit that Bishop is a villain? I mean, there's no real way to judge him any other way anymore.

"Oh, me? Yeah I destroyed the whole world. But no man, it was totally for the right reason! See, I had to 'contain' this dude with a baby,"

It wasn't the "real" world, it was some fake alternate version. We could retread the whole "do clones have souls" argument, but that fake future needed to be put out of it's misery.

Villain.

UNPROVEN

[Eye in the Sky]

So, can we finally admit that Bishop is a villain? I mean, there's no real way to judge him any other way anymore.

"Oh, me? Yeah I destroyed the whole world. But no man, it was totally for the right reason! See, I had to 'contain' this dude with a baby,"

Villain.

If he believes by doing so it'll wipe that timeline out, then it'll be like it never happened, I can kinda see his reasoning...but still, yea, he's a villain.

[darknessatnoon]

If he believes by doing so it'll wipe that timeline out, then it'll be like it never happened, I can kinda see his reasoning...but still, yea, he's a villain.

He's just ruthless. He's the Australian Machiavelli.

[Mr. Cakes]

She-Hulk: Cosmic Collision looks golden. I'm glad Storm is considered a main member of the Liberators now. :smile: And the villainess looks extremely awesome.

[Eye in the Sky]

I want to know who designed the awesome uniforms for Cat, Warren and Moria in the Exiles issue.

[just another user]

I want to know who designed the awesome uniforms for Cat, Warren and Moria in the Exiles issue.

The Warren and Moira ones are homages to the original designs by Chris Bachalo

[worstblogever]

I want to know who designed the awesome uniforms for Cat, Warren and Moria in the Exiles issue.

Don Perlin designed Cat, when she was called Tigra in Marvel 616.

Warren, as "Krait", was designed by Walt Simonson, back in the day as Archangel, if I'm not mistaken. "Krait" was a full bird headed dude who looked like Beak's grandkid from "Here Comes Tomorrow" when Bachalo drew him.

Moira is actually physically identical to the Shi'ar Death Commando she's akin to in Marvel-616, and was designed by Chris Bachalo.

Although, Tim Seeley does present us with nice renditions of these "homages".

[just another user]

Don Perlin designed Cat, when she was called Tigra in Marvel 616.

Warren, as "Krait", was designed by Walt Simonson, back in the day as Archangel, if I'm not mistaken. "Krait" was a full bird headed dude who looked like Beak's grandkid from "Here Comes Tomorrow" when Bachalo drew him.

Moira is actually physically identical to the Shi'ar Death Commando she's akin to in Marvel-616, and was designed by Chris Bachalo.

Although, Tim Seeley does present us with nice renditions of these "homages".

Orly? Didn't know Krait was a Simonson creation. Thought that was Bachalo too. So Krait appeared before "End of Greys"?

[worstblogever]

Orly? Didn't know Krait was a Simonson creation. Thought that was Bachalo too. So Krait appeared before "End of Greys"?

This is alternate images. Krait in "End of Greys" looked like http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/thumb/7/7c/Tito_bohusk.jpg/100px-Tito_bohusk.jpg

See? (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix4/shiardeathcommandos.htm) On the top.

This Krait, the Warren Worthington version though, looks like this:

http://www.comicbookdb.com/graphics/comic_graphics/1/34/18773_20051228171121_large.jpg

[maigen]

I actually want to read Cable. I can't belive it. I will choose to ignore the ant people for now. Bishop needs some Prozac.

Oh and Manifest Destiney was wrong! I've seen the Noir preview before. I wanted to see Mystique "pop a cap" up in Iceman.

And I would like to thank everyone who worked on New Exiles. I am now certain that I don't want to spend my money catching up on it.

[streator]

is there a link for x-men: manifest destiny 4 somewhere else? the preview here is still messed up.

[broodjeork]

is there a link for x-men: manifest destiny 4 somewhere else? the preview here is still messed up.

*franticly searches internet for correct link*

i want to see it too:frown:

[rwsmith]

Cable is definitely picking up. Hopefully he'll run out of runway soon and jump back to the present, though.

[RafiShai]

It wasn't the "real" world, it was some fake alternate version. We could retread the whole "do clones have souls" argument, but that fake future needed to be put out of it's misery.

But for the people who lived in that alternate world - it was the only true reality out there, and ours would've probably been the fake ones. So he killed real people. He killed real people on another world - for his own selfish reasons; which makes him a villain.

UNPROVEN

Refer to the above.

If he believes by doing so it'll wipe that timeline out, then it'll be like it never happened, I can kinda see his reasoning...but still, yea, he's a villain.

Even if the timeline is wiped and there is no one to remember it - he will still remember it and he will still know what he did. If he can live with the knowledge that he killed an entire universe and made it exist no more - then he needs a lot of therapy. It makes him a killer, even if he's the only one who knows about it.

It's this whole "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?" thing. Marvel is trying to reason his murder-spree by dropping a big philosophical question about it. But now, the X-Men (or their leader) know about his actions. They know he killed an entire world just to hunt down one man; and he may have terminated an entire universe - for his own reasons/beliefs. They know he did "villainous" things, I sure do hope they'll treat him like they treat other villains. For all intents and purposes - he's a mass murderer.

[jarrod]

Bishop's not a villain, he's the new Jean Grey.



And what's with Cable suddenly becoming readable... must resist...

[RafiShai]

Bishop's not a villain, he's the new Jean Grey.

And how's that? Jean Grey was taken over be a cosmic entity who fed on a sun to replenish its energies. The cosmic entity acted selfishly, but then again - it is a cosmic entity. It wasn't Jean's choice, nor was it her idea. Yet, we all still acknowledge the fact that it was done.

Bishop made a conscious decision to destroy an entire world and terminate an entire timeline. He made a choice, on his own, no one was influencing him, it was entirely based on his personal motives. Furthermore, he intended to destroy the timeline, leaving no trace of his actions and he probably would have never mentioned it unless he would have been caught. And even if I'm wrong, and he would have - it doesn't change the fact that he made a conscious choice on his own to go on that murder-spree. It is nothing like Jean's actions and that makes him a villain.



And what's with Cable suddenly becoming readable... must resist...

Come to the dark side!
We have cookies. With drugs in them!

[broodjeork]

And how's that? Jean Grey was taken over be a cosmic entity who fed on a sun to replenish its energies. The cosmic entity acted selfishly, but then again - it is a cosmic entity. It wasn't Jean's choice, nor was it her idea. Yet, we all still acknowledge the fact that it was done.

Bishop made a conscious decision to destroy an entire world and terminate an entire timeline. He made a choice, on his own, no one was influencing him, it was entirely based on his personal motives. Furthermore, he intended to destroy the timeline, leaving no trace of his actions and he probably would have never mentioned it unless he would have been caught. And even if I'm wrong, and he would have - it doesn't change the fact that he made a conscious choice on his own to go on that murder-spree. It is nothing like Jean's actions and that makes him a villain.


so, bishop is more badass than jean?:tongue:

[jarrod]

Jean wasn't "taken over"... she IS the cosmic entity. And so far we've seen her wipe out two entire species (the broccoli aliens in DPS and the smart giant ants in HCT), both hinted to be in order to help preserve evolution.

Both Jean and Bishop are committing genocide for the greater good. Isn't that what heroes do? (LOL)

[RafiShai]

so, bishop is more badass than jean?:tongue:

Yeah! He's so much more badass, that it makes him a villain :wink:

Jean wasn't "taken over"... she IS the cosmic entity. And so far we've seen her wipe out two entire species (the broccoli aliens in DPS and the smart giant ants in HCT), both hinted to be in order to help preserve evolution.

Well, alrighty then. Jean is the cosmic entity, therefore she shouldn't be bound to human laws, morals or behavior. I wouldn't expect a cosmic entity to give a damn about any humanitarian aspects of its behavior. It doesn't make her actions any better, but it doesn't tie her down to human morals - and thus she shouldn't be judged by one. Just like you wouldn't judge death for... Happening.

Both Jean and Bishop are committing genocide for the greater good. Isn't that what heroes do? (LOL)

But is it for the greater good on Bishop's side? I mean, can we ever really tell? He's relying on his judgment of the situation back there and I'm gonna go ahead and wager that he probably didn't see enough of the "whole picture" to make an educated decision.

And no, there is no such thing as committing genocide for the greater good. At least not in my opinion.

[Josef F.]

Marvel Zombies 3 > The other previews.

[broodjeork]

Both Jean and Bishop are committing genocide for the greater good. Isn't that what heroes do? (LOL)

hey, scott is doing it to:evilsmile: