Is Sakura a Mary Sue? [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 02:44 PM

I gotta say, because since she was simply incompetant in part 1, she's suddenly the strongest kunoichi of her age group after 2 years? That sounds unbelieveable, and even the fact she got training from the strongest female kunoichi makes her even more blessed by the author. How did she become stronger than Ino in 2 years and only second to Temari in skill and power? She had no talent what so ever. But her feats put her on top of the shinobi pantheon for females and make her one of the best medic ninja's in the world. Come on, this girl being that she was noted for her intellect and genjutsu potential not her strength and ninja skills is now a she hulk white mage with intellect and genjutsu potential. She's too perfect IMO. Everything she's earned was through being utterly spoiled and in the way(Sasuke and begging Tsunade), her intellect and chakra control just plot induced for Tsunade to come in and train her. Everything Tsunade has, Sakura has(Chakra Control, Firey Temper, and Intellegence), which makes no sense since Sakura never had and aptitude for Medical Ninjutsu, but genjutsu.

You think Sakura is becoming sort of a sue?

Guy1

11-30-2008, 02:47 PM

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 02:50 PM

So basically Sakura is a sue because they way the author developed her is contrary to the way you would have written her.

Wow.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 02:51 PM

No, this is just making up for her uselessness in part 1.
She did have good chakra control, she just sucked at everything else and no one bothered training her for crap. Tsunade, a sannin, comes along and sees her potential, so she puts Sakura through training from hell to beat this into her head.
Besides, it's not like she makes up random powers every 5 seconds now unlike someone in the manga..., and she needed help to beat Sasori, and she still isn't the most powerful being on earth, and I'm willing to bet Tsunade could still kick her ass if she wanted.
SO no, she's become very, very powerful, but she isn't a sue.

Thinking about it, she lacks long range attacks aside from ninja weapons.
Theoretically, Temari and TenTen could keep her down with long range attacks.
Problem being: TenTen only has feats in filler IIRC, and we haven't seen much of Temari.
I wouldn't doubt she improved though.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 02:52 PM

No, this is just making up for her uselessness in part 1.By making her the ultimate kunoichi with no hints in any sense.
She did have good chakra control, she just sucked at everything else and no one bothered training her for crap.She had plenty of times to train with Kakashi, she just choose to be the way of the fan girl. Tsunade, a sannin, comes along and sees her potential, so she puts Sakura through training from hell to beat this into her head.Last I checked she begged Tsunade to train her. Tsunade didn't even know who she was.
Besides, it's not like she makes up random powers every 5 seconds now unlike someone in the manga..., and she needed help to beat Sasori, and she still isn't the most powerful being on earth, and I'm willing to bet Tsunade could still kick her ass if she wanted.Yet she was equal to Ino in part 1 and inferior to Hinata, yet now she's fucking over their level. She out of all the medic nins in Suna cured an uncurbale poison, isn't that a little suiesh?
SO no, she's become very, very powerful, but she isn't a sue.Dude look at her databook stats she's equal to Naruto. She's got to much hype.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 02:53 PM

So basically Sakura is a sue because they way the author developed her is contrary to the way you would have written her.

Wow.I seems Kishi made Sakura into Sasuke lite in part 2 with little or none excuses to how she became this good.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 02:55 PM

Databooks don't really mean squat, I go by what's in the Manga.
Her being stronger then Ino isn't that much of a stretch, they were pretty much even in the exams.
Hinata was good at taijutsu and has the Byakugan, but that's about it, she didn't have much else by feats.
I also highly doubt she's actually equal to Naruto, smarter and stronger, but he was way more options to attack with then she does.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 02:58 PM

Databooks don't really mean squat, I go by what's in the Manga.The manga isn't a clear source of cannon.
Her being stronger then Ino isn't that much of a stretch, they were pretty much even in the exams.Ino's databook stats were above Sakura's, and yet she with pnj tied with Sakura.(Breaking out of fucking Ino's jutsu)
Hinata was good at taijutsu and has the Byakugan, but that's about it, she didn't have much else by feats.She went toe to toe with Neji, a feat Sakura would have no chance against.
I also highly doubt she's actually equal to Naruto, smarter and stronger, but he was way more options to attack with then she does.Stats indicate their level of skill(not powerup), Sakura is equal to Naruto.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 03:00 PM

And she isn't Sasuke lite either, whatever that means.
Sasuke
Makes up new powers every chapter he appears in.
Has some mega-plot device bloodline, which allows him to see though genjutsu, copy taijutsu and other jutsu's.
Got special training from Kakashi
Got training from a Sanin.
Has his ass kissed by everyone.
Has a huge arsenal of jutsus he stole by watching other people.
Can rip off people's bloodlines.
Has super speed.
Is a swordsman.
Is gullible.
Is obsessed with revenge.
Betray's people at the drop of a hat for power.

Sakura
Has super strength
Is an uber medic
Needs help from an expert ninja to take down an Akatsuki member.
Got training from a Sanin.
Has standard ninja weapons.
That's it.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:02 PM

I seems Kishi made Sakura into Sasuke lite in part 2 with little or none excuses to how she became this good.

...what does Sasuke have to do with anything?

She was trained by Tsunade, and was established as having excellent chakra control in part 1. Chakra control, which is a fundamental of med jutsu. That's the explanation.

By the by she was never a genjutsu specialist. She cancelled exactly one...

...with precise chakra control.

And considering as of late, Sakura has done basically diddly squat since fighting Sasori but a flyby appearance of punching out a giant centipede, the label of mary sue becomes even more inaccurate. Because she never took over the plot.

I know you don't like her for your own reasons but yeesh.

FroFroYo

11-30-2008, 03:04 PM

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:06 PM

Sakura
Has super strength
Is an uber medic
Needs help from an expert ninja to take down an Akatsuki member.
Got training from a Sanin.
Has standard ninja weapons.
That's it.

You forgot "does not have her own dedicated plot arc in which she is infallible and better than everybody else". Because that's kind of the core concept of a Mary Sue, not just power ups.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:12 PM

I'm gonna agree with everything that Loki says that makes Ino sound better than Sakura. :P

But really, you gotta think about it, she didn't just train with Tsunade for a few months, it was for three years.

...you know, I just realized something. We have no idea who trained Ino, or what her current capabilities are.

Or why she's a medic, but I digress, because she is now for whatever reason.

Was she also trained by Tsunade? If so, can she also level rock by punching it with a chakra loaded hit now?

Hmm...would be pretty awesome if she could is all I'm saying. Doesn't look like it though, ah well.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 03:13 PM

...you know, I just realized something. We have no idea who trained Ino, or what her current capabilities are.

Or why she's a medic, but I digress, because she is now for whatever reason.

Was she also trained by Tsunade? If so, can she also level rock by punching it with a chakra loaded hit now?

Hmm...would be pretty awesome if she could is all I'm saying. Doesn't look like it though, ah well.

I'm betting she was trained by her dad.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:15 PM

I'm betting she was trained by her dad.

...wait, her dad's a medic now? I though their family specialized in infiltration and recon stuff.

Damn all these shafted side characters!

Sound Silence

11-30-2008, 03:15 PM

The manga isn't a clear source of cannon.
Ino's databook stats were above Sakura's, and yet she with pnj tied with Sakura.(Breaking out of fucking Ino's jutsu)
She went toe to toe with Neji, a feat Sakura would have no chance against.
Stats indicate their level of skill(not powerup), Sakura is equal to Naruto.

Um...what? The manga is the definitive canon source. It's the god-damn manga. Databooks notoriously contain all sorts of nonsense.

Regardless, Sakura isn't a sue until she single-handedly beats Sasuke, who due to her love-punch no jutsu turns good again, falls madly head over heels for her, and then they go have sex. And maybe Naruto joins them for a threesome, too, I don't know. Then everybody says she's the greatest and Tsunade offers to make her Hokage and retires.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 03:17 PM

Um...what? The manga is the definitive canon source. It's the god-damn manga. Databooks notoriously contain all sorts of nonsense.

Yeah.....that's all kinds of WTF.

Also, Hinata didn't exactly go toe to toe with Neji, she got whooped.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 03:18 PM

And she isn't Sasuke lite either, whatever that means.
Sasuke
Makes up new powers every chapter he appears in.LOL, what shonen doesn't make up new powers for the main characters? One Piece much?
Has some mega-plot device bloodline, which allows him to see though genjutsu, copy taijutsu and other jutsu's.Yeah, and Sakura can dispell genjutsu, read hand sgns, and heal herself and has perfect chakra control. Again, comparisons with a guy who's a genius compared to Sakura is irrelenvant.
Got special training from KakashiApperently, Jiraya and Ysuande > Kakashi
Got training from a Sanin.So did Sakura, at the last minute without proving her worth.
Has his ass kissed by everyone.Irrelevant, Sakura is hailed the best kunoichi since Tsunade. Sakura is a missing nin.
Has a huge arsenal of jutsus he stole by watching other people.Learning=/=Stealing. He learned half those moves and invented his own.
Can rip off people's bloodlines.No he doesn't.
Has super speed.Sakura has precise dodging abilty, super strength and perfect chakra control.
Is a swordsman.So? Naruto's a sage and Sakura's a fucking doctor with hulk smash.
Is gullible.Sakura's a crybaby.
Is obsessed with revenge.Obsessed with Sasuke.
Betray's people at the drop of a hat for power.Funny she did the same with her village almost.

Sakura
Has super strength
Has perfect grades
Has excellent chakra control
A condenscening tsundere
Has genjutsu potential
Can dodge a contry of puppets
Is smarter than Sasuke
A teacher who's a sannin
Has praise from people with her looks
Has more hentai and fan art
Crys but always contridicts herself when she telling others not to cry
Punched a Summon
Is an uber medic
Needs help from an expert ninja to take down an Akatsuki member.
Got training from a Sanin.
Has standard ninja weapons.
That's it.A Guess you like to make fan fiction up.

...what does Sasuke have to do with anything?Oh I don't know, learns Advanced stuff in a short peroid of time when she was shown as weak in stuff usaually Sasuke is good at. Becomes better than half the cast and makes herself second to none at what she does.

She was trained by Tsunade, and was established as having excellent chakra control in part 1. Chakra control, which is a fundamental of med jutsu. That's the explanation.Having Medical Ninjutsu with perfect chakra control was a add in to hype Sakura at the spur of the moment. It was addressed after Tsunade came into the village Since she had that going for her and nothing else. It was like Pain showing he had the the rennigan and showing it > Sharigan.

By the by she was never a genjutsu specialist. She cancelled exactly one...When means she had an apititude for it. And databook proves her potential in genjutsu as she has a higher stat for it.

...with precise chakra control.Genjutsu requires precise intellegence. Not chakra control

And considering as of late, Sakura has done basically diddly squat since fighting Sasori but a flyby appearance of punching out a giant centipede, the label of mary sue becomes even more inaccurate. Because she never took over the plot.Thats more than enough to label a sue since she's the only women to fight an akasuki. We never see the other girls potential because she always takes there spotloght because she's a main character.

I know you don't like her for your own reasons but yeesh.Me not liking her has nothing to do with anything, I know bullshit when I see it and Sakura is BS.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 03:20 PM

Um...what? The manga is the definitive canon source. It's the god-damn manga. Databooks notoriously contain all sorts of nonsense.

Regardless, Sakura isn't a sue until she single-handedly beats Sasuke, who due to her love-punch no jutsu turns good again, falls madly head over heels for her, and then they go have sex. .

Karin: Back off B-ch he's mine!:evilangry:
*Cue Catfight over Sasuke.*
Naruto: 30 on Sakura.
Sasuke: Your on.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 03:23 PM

Um...what? The manga is the definitive canon source. It's the god-damn manga. Databooks notoriously contain all sorts of nonsense.It doesn't give us a clear indication of the cannon since Manga shows not explains it in clear detail what this and that really happened. The Databook is just as cannon as the manga, it's written by Kishimoto all the same.

Regardless, Sakura isn't a sue until she single-handedly beats Sasuke, who due to her love-punch no jutsu turns good again, falls madly head over heels for her, and then they go have sex. And maybe Naruto joins them for a threesome, too, I don't know. Then everybody says she's the greatest and Tsunade offers to make her Hokage and retires.She doesn't have to beat Sasuke to be a sue, all she needs to do is outclass the female characters in every fucking way and not have any conflict with them.

Kevin M.

11-30-2008, 03:27 PM

It doesn't give us a clear indication of the cannon since Manga shows not explains it in clear detail what this and that really happened.

This has to be one of the saddest things I have ever read on this board.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 03:28 PM

This has to be one of the saddest things I have ever read on this board.

Goku vs Living Tribunal was worse.:tongue:

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 03:28 PM

This has to be one of the saddest things I have ever read on this board.Go and whine at 2chan, troll.

Sound Silence

11-30-2008, 03:31 PM

LOL, what shonen doesn't make up new powers for the main characters? One Piece much?

That's not what he was saying. No one in One Piece makes up powers that aren't an extention of their already existent abilities.

Kevin M.

11-30-2008, 03:33 PM

Go and whine at 2chan, troll.

I would argue the absurdity of you calling someone a troll, but seeing that your going to be banned soon, I'm not.

Sound Silence

11-30-2008, 03:35 PM

Go and whine at 2chan, troll.

You're the only one whining here.

WAAAH!! Sakura's too powerful!!! WAAH! She's a sue and I don't like her!! WAAAAAAH!! You all suck for disagreeing with me!!!!

Seriously.:rolleyes:

Dark Soul # 7

11-30-2008, 03:35 PM

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:42 PM

Oh I don't know, learns Advanced stuff in a short peroid of time when she was shown as weak in stuff usaually Sasuke is good at. Becomes better than half the cast and makes herself second to none at what she does.

...so she's vaguely like Sasuke in a rather arbitrary way? Huh. Wonder why you wouldn't like her more in that case.

Also, it's called character growth. You know, that thing that moves stories along?

Having Medical Ninjutsu with perfect chakra control was a add in to hype Sakura at the spur of the moment. It was addressed after Tsunade came into the village Since she had that going for her and nothing else. It was like Pain showing he had the the rennigan and showing it > Sharigan.

She was always good at chakra control since Kakashi's first training drill with the trees. Ebisu used her as a model in his explanation to Naruto, and her sparse fights in the first half had her use only that.

And Med jutsu was always about chakra control. Kabuto regenerating, Tsunade's genesis seal, Tsunade's nerve scrambler, all associated with chakra control and manipulating it.

Nice to know you agree with me.

When means she had an apititude for it. And databook proves her potential in genjutsu as she has a higher stat for it.

And she never did anything with it. Great specialist, there. Your databook argument fails. Read the manga.

Genjutsu requires precise intellegence. Not chakra control

Which is why Gai was able to cancel it with his profound intellect, right?

Thats more than enough to label a sue since she's the only women to fight an akasuki. We never see the other girls potential because she always takes there spotloght because she's a main character.

Sakura. Main character. Right. Exactly how much time has been dedicated to the adventures of Haruno Sakura in this manga? Two arcs? Once?

...oh wait, that's right, she's been in like three fights, spending the rest of her time captured, getting knocked out, needing bailing out, crying in the background...real spotlight stealer there!

You seem to have an unfortunate habit of blaming characters and not the author for their actions. The other girls aren't there because Kishimoto didn't write in a reason for them to be there. Like it or not Sakura is part of Naruto's squadron, ergo she will be the predominant female character.

Me not liking her has nothing to do with anything, I know bullshit when I see it and Sakura is BS.

You disliking her has everything to do with this. You're reaching for things to hate on about an alleged spotlight stealer who's done slightly more than hovering in the background over the course of the second half but for one fight.

It's the pink hair, isn't it?

A Guess you like to make fan fiction up.

Right back at you.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:45 PM

Karin: Back off B-ch he's mine!:evilangry:
*Cue Catfight over Sasuke.*
Naruto: 30 on Sakura.
Sasuke: Your on.

I'm waiting for that fight. I really am.

It'll be a short one. But the page and a half will be amazing.

Karin: I sense that your chakra flows from your core, into your fist-

Sakura: And into your face! *boom*

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 03:47 PM

That's not what he was saying. No one in One Piece makes up powers that aren't an extention of their already existent abilities.How is Sharigan making up extensions of already existent abilties so different? Sharigan as we know focuses on fire, the kyuubi, insight, and genjutsu. Therefore, Surpression, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Chakra colors, x ray, and Susanoo. Whats the problem?

I would argue the absurdity of you calling someone a troll, but seeing that your going to be banned soon, I'm not.How?

You're the only one whining here.

WAAAH!! Sakura's too powerful!!! WAAH! She's a sue and I don't like her!! WAAAAAAH!! You all suck for disagreeing with me!!!!

Seriously.:rolleyes:I'm not whinning, I'm just asking a question. Her actions to me are sueish.

Sakura's not a mary sue.In a manga where every female role is incompetant or totally shafted for the men, Sakura is the only one that gets credit next to Tsunade.

She's just the main female protagonist and you're pissed that she's been developed more than other female characters you like.Me? I should be, she's not that interesting or apealing as a character compared to Anko, Hinata and Temari. She's just the stock tsundere and bi polar love interest.

There's probably also some part of you that resents that she's been growing into her own person with her own goals in life beyond Sasuke.What are her goals then? Nothing indicates she's grown out of Sasuke and started taking her medical skills seriously.

This is the last post in this thread for me. Anything else would just end in a tiresome circular argument.Je Ne then.:rolleyes:

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:48 PM

Sakura's not a mary sue.

She's just the main female protagonist and you're pissed that she's been developed more than other female characters you like.

There's probably also some part of you that resents that she's been growing into her own person with her own goals in life beyond Sasuke.

This is the last post in this thread for me. Anything else would just end in a tiresome circular argument.

To the bolded, I do wish they would go into that a little more. We don't know much about her family or what specifically drives her besides the power of friendship. In the greater scheme of things it's rather minor, but like you said she is the main female protagonist, you'd think she'd get a little more attention.

Oh, and smart move.

arp2008

11-30-2008, 03:54 PM

To the bolded, I do wish they would go into that a little more. We don't know much about her family or what specifically drives her besides the power of friendship. In the greater scheme of things it's rather minor, but like you said she is the main female protagonist, you'd think she'd get a little more attention.

Oh, and smart move.Maybe the attention you say she deserved was already given to her during the Sasori fight. Beyond having explored her new abilities then I don't anything to inriguing about the character. Without Sasuke in the picture for her swoon over she's pretty one note.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 03:55 PM

How is Sharigan making up extensions of already existent abilties so different? Sharigan as we know focuses on fire, the kyuubi, insight, and genjutsu. Therefore, Surpression, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Chakra colors, x ray, and Susanoo. Whats the problem?

Your double standards.

Having Medical Ninjutsu with perfect chakra control was a add in to hype Sakura at the spur of the moment. It was addressed after Tsunade came into the village Since she had that going for her and nothing else.

Compare these two breakdowns. Which of the two skillsets seem more like they came out of the blue?

A skillset that was used by characters with good chakra control taken advantage of by a character that had good chakra control?

Or a previously defined skillset that has extras tacked onto it as necessary?

Kevin M.

11-30-2008, 03:59 PM

Gen, just drop it. No matter how much we explain, he is going to continue being a troll here. Let's leave him to his own devices, and spend time elsewhere.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 03:59 PM

...so she's vaguely like Sasuke in a rather arbitrary way? Huh. Wonder why you wouldn't like her more in that case.

Also, it's called character growth. You know, that thing that moves stories along?More like retcon at the last minute. She comapared to Hinata and Ten Ten was shit as they've been training in that stuff since they were born. Sakura did nothing in part 1 that showed she was a training freak, she just passed because she was smart and intellegent.

She was always good at chakra control since Kakashi's first training drill with the trees. Ebisu used her as a model in his explanation to Naruto, and her sparse fights in the first half had her use only that.Medical Ninjutsu was retconed as a chakra control apititude after Tsunade came into the village as Hokage. Again, written into the plot at the last moment.

And Med jutsu was always about chakra control. Kabuto regenerating, Tsunade's genesis seal, Tsunade's nerve scrambler, all associated with chakra control and manipulating it.How was supposed to know that, the manga never explained you needed perfect chakra control to learn medical nijutsu prior the Sannin showndown.

Nice to know you agree with me.Whatever you say.

And she never did anything with it. Great specialist, there. Your databook argument fails. Read the manga.She had potential in it since she like her big forhead had a big brain. Databook=Manga.

Which is why Gai was able to cancel it with his profound intellect, right?He was still smart.

Sakura. Main character. Right. Exactly how much time has been dedicated to the adventures of Haruno Sakura in this manga? Two arcs? Once?More like 3.

...oh wait, that's right, she's been in like three fights, spending the rest of her time captured, getting knocked out, needing bailing out, crying in the background...real spotlight stealer there!And yet she's still more useful than Ino and Ten Ten.

You seem to have an unfortunate habit of blaming characters and not the author for their actions. The other girls aren't there because Kishimoto didn't write in a reason for them to be there. Like it or not Sakura is part of Naruto's squadron, ergo she will be the predominant female character.So Kishi contridicts himself, he said Sakura wasn't a heroine to start with nor did she have the overall gall to become the next great kunoichi, she was supposed to be a symbol of humanity like Lee, but not overall a better ninja than the Sannin Tsunade. Ten Ten had more potential than her because she said she wanted to surpass Tsunade.

You disliking her has everything to do with this. You're reaching for things to hate on about an alleged spotlight stealer who's done slightly more than hovering in the background over the course of the second half but for one fight. Yes she does steal, hell she steals from Sasuke sometimes since she's in the manga more than Sasuke is in the manga. Kishi abandoned themes he set up for certain character, Hinata and Lee for instance had the build up of losers to winners. Hinata would change herself drastically, and Lee would keep training to one day beat Neji. But so far, Sakura gets to show her stuff that blows Lee and Hinata's overtones out of the water compromsing their themes for her own.

It's the pink hair, isn't it?No, I like Haruka from Fooly Cooly

Right back at you.:confused:

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 04:00 PM

Maybe the attention you say she deserved was already given to her during the Sasori fight. Beyond having explored her new abilities then I don't anything to inriguing about the character. Without Sasuke in the picture for her swoon over she's pretty one note.

Honestly I really don't like Sakura too much, which is why I had hoped the author would give me a reason to. Sucks that she's pretty much a talking powerset; the only other minor thing we know about her is that she likes yaoi.

But getting back on topic, it's precisely because she's rather two dimensional and doesn't have that much of a far-reaching impact on the plot - beyond her old friendship with Sasuke - that she really isn't a Mary Sue.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 04:04 PM

Your double standards.Insight was explained way before chakra colors and x ray came in, example obito as the three tomoe sharigan could see the colros of chakra and x ray in his perspective.

And the Kyuubi? Thats the only example, but it makes sense as the Uchiha's were always surrounded by mystery.

Compare these two breakdowns. Which of the two skillsets seem more like they came out of the blue?

A skillset that was used by characters with good chakra control taken advantage of by a character that had good chakra control?

Or a previously defined skillset that has extras tacked onto it as necessary?I'm taking the skill set that makes you heal your self with little chakra.

Guy1

11-30-2008, 04:21 PM

Gen, just drop it. No matter how much we explain, he is going to continue being a troll here. Let's leave him to his own devices, and spend time elsewhere.

Agreed.
loki pretty much stated he doesn't accept the Manga as cannon, so that right there sums up everything he could say.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 04:24 PM

Agreed.
loki pretty much stated he doesn't accept the Manga as cannon, so that right there sums up everything he could say.I accept both sources of cannon as evidence. And both sources tell me, Sakura next to Sasuke is the most improved character in the manga in part 2.

GrampaGen

11-30-2008, 04:27 PM

More like retcon at the last minute. She comapared to Hinata and Ten Ten was shit as they've been training in that stuff since they were born. Sakura did nothing in part 1 that showed she was a training freak, she just passed because she was smart and intellegent.

Ah, there's the crux of it. You want to see more of Hinata and Ten Ten, but feel that Sakura is in the way. Well, sad to say, Hinata and Ten Ten are side characters beset with the unfortunate disadvantage of not being in team seven.

Medical Ninjutsu was retconed as a chakra control apititude after Tsunade came into the village as Hokage. Again, written into the plot at the last moment.

How was supposed to know that, the manga never explained you needed perfect chakra control to learn medical nijutsu prior the Sannin showndown.

It's called deduction. Because, you know, regenerating cells in a focussed area kind of requires precise control. As would performing surgery on an aorta by a nonphysical means.

She had potential in it since she like her big forhead had a big brain. Databook=Manga.

Databook =/= Manga. Databook = Databook.

Otherwise Tsunade would be Gai's equal in taijutsu despite losing a fight to a guy who stated he was remarkably poor in taijutsu. Not to mention Sasuke would be nearly as strong as she is but that clearly isn't the case.

He was still smart.

Nice argument there. He's smart because you say so.

It's Gai-sensei. He's bombastic and good at fighting, and that's about it.

More like 3.

3 arcs? Sakura had THREE ARCS dedicated to her?!

Guys, we've been blinded by fanboyism, apparently. Haruno Sakura's pulled the veil over our eyes, and the story's been all about her!

So Kishi contridicts himself, he said Sakura wasn't a heroine to start with nor did she have the overall gall to become the next great kunoichi, she was supposed to be a symbol of humanity like Lee, but not overall a better ninja than the Sannin Tsunade. Ten Ten had more potential than her because she said she wanted to surpass Tsunade.

I must have missed the part where Sakura became this great ninja, superior to Tsunade. Because she still has a while to go. Especially considering she had all of ONE MAJOR FIGHT in those THREE ARCS she stole!

Yes she does steal, hell she steals from Sasuke sometimes since she's in the manga more than Sasuke is in the manga. Kishi abandoned themes he set up for certain character, Hinata and Lee for instance had the build up of losers to winners. Hinata would change herself drastically, and Lee would keep training to one day beat Neji. But so far, Sakura gets to show her stuff that blows Lee and Hinata's overtones out of the water compromsing their themes for her own.

I guess you missed the part in the last year where Sasuke escaped from Orochimaru, put together a team to take down Itachi, engaged Deidara in a fight, fought Itachi, thrust his allegiance with Akatsuki, and went after Killer Bee.

I did too, what a bitch Sakura is, stealing Sasuke's limelight! God! :rolleyes:

And assuming you've been reading the manga at the same pace as the rest of us, you should be used to this by now. Kishimoto. Wastes. Characters.

He's good at coming up with concepts, but he's not the best at juggling them. Looks to me that Sakura is your scapegoat for all these shafted side characters for the most base and nonsensical reasons. Quite undeservingly so. No, she hasn't been the paragon of personality, strictly speaking, but she hasn't been Miss Mary Sue either. She's just kind of...there.

Shit, if you changed the poll to "does anybody else deserve more appearances?" Then there would be more fruitful discussion.

But hey, woes to lack of screentime? Go cry on the shoulder of a Shino fan.

:confused:

The sum of this thread. Later.

arp2008

11-30-2008, 04:29 PM

Honestly I really don't like Sakura too much, which is why I had hoped the author would give me a reason to. Sucks that she's pretty much a talking powerset; the only other minor thing we know about her is that she likes yaoi.

But getting back on topic, it's precisely because she's rather two dimensional and doesn't have that much of a far-reaching impact on the plot - beyond her old friendship with Sasuke - that she really isn't a Mary Sue. What is yaoi? What do you think her reaction will be when she sees him again? Will she act, or stand there stifled with hesitation like before and let her contemporaries get trounced like before? And do you think had she acted back then they would have captured Sasuke?

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 04:53 PM

Ah, there's the crux of it. You want to see more of Hinata and Ten Ten, but feel that Sakura is in the way. Well, sad to say, Hinata and Ten Ten are side characters beset with the unfortunate disadvantage of not being in team seven.Hell Temari is in Suna with feats that blow three of tose girls off the water in part 1. Can't we have strong female characters like we do in bleach?

It's called deduction. Because, you know, regenerating cells in a focussed area kind of requires precise control. As would performing surgery on an aorta by a nonphysical means.Again I would not know that unless the databook entrys jutsu's tell me. Therefore, it's a retcon.

Databook =/= Manga. Databook = Databook.http://mangahelpers.com/photoplog/images/59818/medium/2_narutod.jpg
Naruto (c) Kishimoto

Otherwise Tsunade would be Gai's equal in taijutsu despite losing a fight to a guy who stated he was remarkably poor in taijutsu. Not to mention Sasuke would be nearly as strong as she is but that clearly isn't the case.You realize Kabuto got the jump on her because he took advantage of her weakness of blodd. And Sakura is smarter than Sasuke but not as skilled as he is.

Nice argument there. He's smart because you say so.

It's Gai-sensei. He's bombastic and good at fighting, and that's about it.Maito Gai (Might Guy): Nin 3 - Tai 5 - Gen 3 - Int 3 - Str 5 - Spe 5 - Sta 5 - Sea 2.5

3 arcs? Sakura had THREE ARCS dedicated to her?!

Guys, we've been blinded by fanboyism, apparently. Haruno Sakura's pulled the veil over our eyes, and the story's been all about her!Kishimoto is going to focus on her after the Kakahsi arc.

I must have missed the part where Sakura became this great ninja, superior to Tsunade. Because she still has a while to go. Especially considering she had all of ONE MAJOR FIGHT in those THREE ARCS she stole!She healed an uncurable poison that no one in Suna could do, and she fucking punched Sai and scarred him. When Hinata does something that incredible, then Sakura isn't a spotlight stealer.

I guess you missed the part in the last year where Sasuke escaped from Orochimaru, put together a team to take down Itachi, engaged Deidara in a fight, fought Itachi, thrust his allegiance with Akatsuki, and went after Killer Bee.Year of Sasuke had to be done since Sasuke is the second main character.

I did too, what a bitch Sakura is, stealing Sasuke's limelight! God! :rolleyes: Stop putting words in my mouth.

And assuming you've been reading the manga at the same pace as the rest of us, you should be used to this by now. Kishimoto. Wastes. Characters. Yeah, doesn't mean I can't say how I feel about it.

He's good at coming up with concepts, but he's not the best at juggling them. Looks to me that Sakura is your scapegoat for all these shafted side characters for the most base and nonsensical reasons. Quite undeservingly so. No, she hasn't been the paragon of personality, strictly speaking, but she hasn't been Miss Mary Sue either. She's just kind of...there.She's there and still giving other female characters some discredit. I mean besides Naruto, Sasuke and Shikamaru what character can obviously say or become a useful ninja now?

Shit, if you changed the poll to "does anybody else deserve more appearances?" Then there would be more fruitful discussion.Again your putting words in my mouth.

But hey, woes to lack of screentime? Go cry on the shoulder of a Shino fan. And you say I'm trolling.:rolleyes:

The sum of this thread. Later.Later.

master of read

11-30-2008, 04:59 PM

so in the span of three pages, loki has ran down sakura, said the manga isnt cannon (made of fail right there), insulted one piece and mentioned sasuke for no other reason than to say "sasuke is awesome and everyone is lame but him."

and people wonder why no one can take you seriously.

arp2008

11-30-2008, 05:15 PM

http://mangahelpers.com/photoplog/images/59818/medium/2_narutod.jpg
Naruto (c) Kishimoto What is this the cover to?

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 05:18 PM

What is this the cover to?Databook 3 and it's written by Musashi Kishimoto.

arp2008

11-30-2008, 05:24 PM

Databook 3 and it's written by Musashi Kishimoto. Thanks. Was there anything in it you found interesting or shocking or notable?

Nik Hasta

11-30-2008, 06:45 PM

I'm not going to get too involved here, because the thread is essentially a big old hunk of flamebait, but I have this to say.

Sakura to me looks like someone who has recieved excellent training from a legendary ninja for three years. Yes; she was a talentless, nigh-on useless character in part one, but after Sasuke left she upped her game and trained with one of the best ninjas of her time thanks to the motivation she got from losing Sasuke.

Because of this she's an excellent ninja, it's a fact. She isn't a Sue. Not everyone has fallen madly in love with her, she hasn't stolen the limelight of the story and she's not displayed a learning or power curve that breaks the manga.

Look at Rock Lee, he was utterly useless and he trained with Gai, a less talented ninja than Tsunade, for a similar amount of time and he's a freakin' Taijutsu god. Tsunade is obviously an excellent teacher and Sakura was always a good student even back in the Wave Country arc.

The only thing that made me go; "Wait, what?!" was when she cured Sasori's mega-poisons in three seconds flat, that was kind of crazy and didn't make sense.

But beyond that, she certainly isn't a sue and I see no reason to call her one.

Also the Databooks are not primary canon, they are unreliable. The Marvel Databooks are published by Marvel and are consistantly wrong, the Death Note Databooks are written by both the author and artist on Death Note and are also wrong in places, the Getbacker's Databooks are likewise falliable.

Look at the manga it is primary canon above everything else.

Genma:TheDestroyer

11-30-2008, 07:05 PM

Sakura in part 1 could have probably jumped in ability just like Sasuke or Naruto did, but she lacked for motivation until the end, and had no one to teach her.

The moment someone actually paid attention to her and started testing, her true potential glowed through (when she blew through Tsunade's initial 'does she have any hope at being a med-nin' trials with ease).

With three years of that kind of stuff, she blossomed. That's not mary-sue-dom. That's someone's potential being combined with a teacher who works to bring it out. Sasuke got the same thing, and Naruto got nerfed because otherwise he would have been tap-dancing on Akatsuki's collective head.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 07:49 PM

I'm not going to get too involved here, because the thread is essentially a big old hunk of flamebait, but I have this to say.This should be good.

Sakura to me looks like someone who has recieved excellent training from a legendary ninja for three years.http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/Thornedwingz/Naruto-characterstrengthchart.jpg Someone who grew to fast and too sudden. Do you realize how rediculous this is. She was one of the weakest shinobi according to her stats yet along with Sasuke and Naruto grew the most. Yes; she was a talentless, nigh-on useless character in part one, but after Sasuke left she upped her game and trained with one of the best ninjas of her time thanks to the motivation she got from losing Sasuke.Sasuke was her reason to train, to help naruto get Sasuke back, her entire purpose of training under Tsunade was to save Sasuke.

Because of this she's an excellent ninja, it's a fact.When Hinata was disgraced by Haishi saying he saw much more in Hanabi than herself in terms of being Hyuuga heir which caused her to work twice as hard and never give up on herself, how come she seems at the same level that she was in part 1 while Sakura who was weaker is suddenly stronger than her. She isn't a Sue.I want to see Ino fight her then. Not everyone has fallen madly in love with her, she hasn't stolen the limelight of the story and she's not displayed a learning or power curve that breaks the manga.She was hyped to surpassed Tsunade, Naruto still has a crush on her, she healed an uncurable poison with just herbs and roots. She was hyped by Chiyo as the best medic ninja she's seen. Where's this from Hinata and Ino? Hiashi and Inochi? Have they've praised their daughters? Has anyone claimed their greatness yet? No.

Look at Rock Lee, he was utterly useless and he trained with Gai, a less talented ninja than Tsunade, for a similar amount of time and he's a freakin' Taijutsu god.Lee trains more than Sakura, even when he was little and hadn't met gai, he was still training his ass off. Lee spent 15 years pushing himself to the limits, Sakura has only 3 years worth of medical ninjutsu and taijutsu on the basic level and she's already surpassed Shizune. Unless she has the sharigan and is a genius, I don't see how that was possible. Tsunade is obviously an excellent teacher and Sakura was always a good student even back in the Wave Country arc.Sakura? She had chakra control and thats it, everything else she was useless in except being the ninja nerd.

The only thing that made me go; "Wait, what?!" was when she cured Sasori's mega-poisons in three seconds flat, that was kind of crazy and didn't make sense.I know.

But beyond that, she certainly isn't a sue and I see no reason to call her one.It certainly seems that way, has she ever had the conflict of rivalry with Ino lately? Nope.

Also the Databooks are not primary canon, they are unreliable. The Marvel Databooks are published by Marvel and are consistantly wrong, the Death Note Databooks are written by both the author and artist on Death Note and are also wrong in places, the Getbacker's Databooks are likewise falliable.

Look at the manga it is primary canon above everything else.As the manga progress from the point when the Databook was released, some of the information can become outdated. As well, some of the Databooks write over things written in previous Databooks.

Some of the descriptions are hyperbolic and shouldn't be taken literally. However, some explanations are detailed accounts of events and jutsu.

They are truthful, if they weren't it would be a complete waste of time. And there would be no point in Kishi even making them. The problem is not everything is explained well or detailed enough (the stats). They're the main problem, since they cause so many debates.

On the other hand, it's not like the manga itself is free from overstatements or contradictions.

Most people don't start out with a bunch of assistants when they write a pilot. And how is it a tangent, they are both fictional works. Naruto has chapters, while tv shows have episodes. They are basically the same thing.

But if you don't like that comparison, how comparing it with American comics. How many creators do you know that still write every little thing about their characters, years later? By your argument, current Spiderman stories wouldn't be canon, since Stan Lee isn't there still writing them.

its canon, you should just learn to read between the lines;

like shits like amaterasu is as hot as the sun or suitons with the speed of light shouldnt be taken seriously, they are just hype;

problem is people overanalyze it;

also as long as its under kishimotos name there is no reason to doubt it; we should question how canon the manga is the same way since shueisha makes kishimoto do things he wouldnt do on his own in the manga

As creator Kishi doesn't have to author anything. He could sit back, let someone else do all the work, and just rubber stamp it and it's canon.

Spidey-kid1

11-30-2008, 10:04 PM

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/Thornedwingz/Naruto-characterstrengthchart.jpg
Pre-Timeskip Naruto: 18.5
Pre-Timeskip Neji: 25
Pre-Timeskip Gaara: 26.5

Naruto beat both of them.

Pre-Timeskip Lee: 15.5
Pre-Timeskip Sakura: 18
Pre-Timeskip Ino: 16.5
Pre-Timeskip Ten Ten: 17.5
Pre-Timeskip Chouji: 16
Pre-Timeskip Kiba: 17.5

Lee could slaughter all these guys. Easily. In fact, that data book says Lee was the absolute weakest person Pre-Timeskip. :confused:

In other words, that databook=Very, very wrong.

I'm not going to get too involved here, because the thread is essentially a big old hunk of flamebait, but I have this to say.

Sakura to me looks like someone who has recieved excellent training from a legendary ninja for three years. Yes; she was a talentless, nigh-on useless character in part one, but after Sasuke left she upped her game and trained with one of the best ninjas of her time thanks to the motivation she got from losing Sasuke.

Because of this she's an excellent ninja, it's a fact. She isn't a Sue. Not everyone has fallen madly in love with her, she hasn't stolen the limelight of the story and she's not displayed a learning or power curve that breaks the manga.

Look at Rock Lee, he was utterly useless and he trained with Gai, a less talented ninja than Tsunade, for a similar amount of time and he's a freakin' Taijutsu god. Tsunade is obviously an excellent teacher and Sakura was always a good student even back in the Wave Country arc.

The only thing that made me go; "Wait, what?!" was when she cured Sasori's mega-poisons in three seconds flat, that was kind of crazy and didn't make sense.

But beyond that, she certainly isn't a sue and I see no reason to call her one.

Also the Databooks are not primary canon, they are unreliable. The Marvel Databooks are published by Marvel and are consistantly wrong, the Death Note Databooks are written by both the author and artist on Death Note and are also wrong in places, the Getbacker's Databooks are likewise falliable.

Look at the manga it is primary canon above everything else.I'm going to not get too much involved here either for the same reasons you've stated and the fact that I've learned to ignore this kind of stuff untill it blows over.

I'm just going to add QFT and leave it at that.

lokisedge

11-30-2008, 10:08 PM

Pre-Timeskip Naruto: 18.5
Pre-Timeskip Neji: 25
Pre-Timeskip Gaara: 26.5

Naruto beat both of them.

Pre-Timeskip Lee: 15.5
Pre-Timeskip Sakura: 18
Pre-Timeskip Ino: 16.5
Pre-Timeskip Ten Ten: 17.5
Pre-Timeskip Chouji: 16
Pre-Timeskip Kiba: 17.5

Lee could slaughter all these guys. Easily. In fact, that data book says Lee was the absolute weakest person Pre-Timeskip. :confused: Way to misinterpet, these stats I added up to show how much they improved. Plus without powerups or external usage, these are cannon stats of characters.

In other words, that databook=Very, very wrong.Databool + Written by the autor=Cannon

I'm going to not get too much involved here either for the same reasons you've stated and the fact that I've learned to ignore this kind of stuff untill it blows over.

I'm just going to add QFT and leave it at that.Yeah, give up. Shows how much you don't know or can state comapred to me.

Guy1

12-01-2008, 12:02 PM

...wait, her dad's a medic now? I though their family specialized in infiltration and recon stuff.

Damn all these shafted side characters!

Well, Ino learned her mind jutsu's from someone...

Oblivion87

12-01-2008, 02:37 PM

Len Ikari145

12-01-2008, 03:22 PM

Loki, let's cut through the pretense: We know you hate Sakura because she's evolved beyond "Sasuke fangirl #20005" status and has developed into her own character and become useful. You hate her she doesn't blindly perceive Sasuke as the epitome of ninja perfection but what he truly is: A angry, vindictive perfectionist who sees nothing beyond his blind need for vengeance. You hate her because her character is no longer dependent on Sasuke. You'd be nothing but content if she were simply a whore to Sasuke as you quite plainly expressed on numerous occasions on several Naruto threads just to feel vindication in your belief that Sasuke is infallible.

Really, you created this thread simply as a means to eviscerate Sakura. And I'll tell ya, you've failed horribly.

master of read

12-01-2008, 03:28 PM

Loki, let's cut through the pretense: We know you hate Sakura because she's evolved beyond "Sasuke fangirl #20005" status and has developed into her own character and become useful. You hate her she doesn't blindly perceive Sasuke as the epitome of ninja perfection but what he truly is: A angry, vindictive perfectionist who sees nothing beyond his blind need for vengeance. You hate her because her character is no longer dependent on Sasuke. You'd be nothing but content if she were simply a whore to Sasuke as you quite plainly expressed on numerous occasions on several Naruto threads just to feel vindication in your belief that Sasuke is infallible.

Really, you created this thread simply as a means to eviscerate Sakura. And I'll tell ya, you've failed horribly.

it shows even better when he says anything positive about her is when she's a sasuke fan girl. when she's all in love with him, he says something nice, but now that's she's grown up and become her person, she sucks and is a mary sue.

really. this whole thread is made of fail.

Len Ikari145

12-01-2008, 03:31 PM

it shows even better when he says anything positive about her is when she's a sasuke fan girl. when she's all in love with him, he says something nice, but now that's she's grown up and become her person, she sucks and is a mary sue.

really. this whole thread is made of fail.

It still saddens me whenever I see how rampant fanboyism can warp a person's mind. It also saddens me that the mods saw fit to bring him back from the dead.

RubberLotus

12-01-2008, 03:39 PM

Guy1

12-01-2008, 03:41 PM

What does that have to do with anything?

Because it's what got him banned the first time.
He barged into the One Piece thread and began flaming posters, insulted people's grammar, called the characters in One Piece fags and morons, and ripped on Luffy for not being Sasuke.
He's doing it again, which proves the troll hasn't learned a thing.

Legato

12-01-2008, 03:43 PM

I would proposed this thread be closed since it was obviously a spam thread to give him a excuse to bash Sakura and to ignite a flame war. But that is left up to the mod, depending on if the mod do anything about this situation.

Legato

12-01-2008, 03:47 PM

He is reported to the mod so it is up to the mod on what should be done

lokisedge

12-02-2008, 06:53 AM

Just because she improved over the time skip and gets more screen time then the other female characters doesn't mean Sakura is a mary sue. And why should the latter be a problem anyway, she is one of the main characters so its no surprise that she gets more screen time then say, Temari.Sakura has shown no hints of being this powerful at a short amount of time. And minus the hints of chakra control development and genjutsu, theirs no way Medical Ninjutsu was a foreshawdowed abiltiy for Sakura to develop when Tsunade came into the scene. My arguement is that simply she as a character is too retconned by the author to be a legitmate character. The fact she closed the gap she tied with in part 1 means she's overpowered.

Guy1

12-02-2008, 11:01 AM

The polls have spoken, and Sakura is not a Mary Sue, thread over.

MartinRedmond

12-02-2008, 12:15 PM

Kevin M.

12-02-2008, 12:19 PM

The polls have spoken, and Sakura is not a Mary Sue, thread over.

The Majority vote has stated that she is a good example of a character developed, not a sue.

master of read

12-02-2008, 12:36 PM

The Majority vote has stated that she is a good example of a character developed, not a sue.

or maybe we dont understand the proper defination of the term mary sue like loki does. :rolleyes:

Ghost

12-02-2008, 12:43 PM

First of all: no, Sakura is not a Mary Sue. She's not nearly annoying enough, doesn't steal any spotlight, and isn't universally loved or envied for no reason at all.

Being talented or powerful does not a Mary Sue make.

Sakura has shown no hints of being this powerful at a short amount of time. And minus the hints of chakra control development and genjutsu, theirs no way Medical Ninjutsu was a foreshawdowed abiltiy for Sakura to develop when Tsunade came into the scene.

Sakura was always insanely book-smart. As in, ridiculously so. I have no problem seeing a girl with her brains mastering medical jutsu in that time.

My arguement is that simply she as a character is too retconned by the author to be a legitmate character.

Even if this was a case of retconning -which it definitely isn't, because nothing in her past history has been altered- that doesn't make her illegitimate as a character.

Hell, for that matter, whether a character is "legitimate" or not is hardly up for discussion among fans.

Kevin M.

12-02-2008, 12:52 PM

or maybe we dont understand the proper defination of the term mary sue like loki does. :rolleyes:

Chill with that. I don't want to set that kid off again. Really don't to deal with the BS that follows.

Ghost

12-02-2008, 12:56 PM

The way I see it, in the first part she had other priorities such as dating Sasuke and crying. Now she's gotten herself together in part 2. Yet, she's still pretty weak and likely to be injured. I don't think she's a Mary Sue.

What's with the Mary Sue thing anyway? Is that some alarm bell for the women getting too strong police?

The Wikipedia definition of a Mary Sue:

"[A Mary Sue] is particularly characterized by overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as wish-fulfillment fantasies for their authors. Perhaps the single underlying feature of all characters described as "Mary Sues" is that they are too ostentatious for the audience's taste, or that the author seems to favor the character too highly. The author may seem to push how exceptional and wonderful the "Mary Sue" character is on his or her audience, sometimes leading the audience to dislike or even resent the character fairly quickly; such a character could be described as an "author's pet".

Basically, a shallow and unrealistic character usually written as an extension of the writer's ego. Can be madly powerful, but doesn't have to be.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 03:01 PM

or maybe we dont understand the proper defination of the term mary sue like loki does. :rolleyes:

You should also avoid telling him you like character's who aren't Uchiha's.

master of read

12-03-2008, 03:13 PM

You should also avoid telling him you like character's who aren't Uchiha's.

:eek: that's blasphemy! everyone knows that the uchiha are the greatest anime characters of all time! hell, i heard sasuke once beat a snake in a staring contest.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 03:14 PM

:eek: that's blasphemy! everyone knows that the uchiha are the greatest anime characters of all time! hell, i heard sasuke once beat a snake in a staring contest.

Perhaps, but even the Uchiha's combined are no match for Log.
And don't get me started on Clucky...

master of read

12-03-2008, 03:16 PM

Perhaps, but even the Uchiha's combined are no match for Log.
And don't get me started on Clucky...

ahhh log: the uchiha's natural enemy.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 04:21 PM

ahhh log: the uchiha's natural enemy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCIWaC4Ou4
:biggrin:

master of read

12-03-2008, 04:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjCIWaC4Ou4
:biggrin:

just think of what a team of log, clucky, milk and the one foot tall brick wall can do.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 04:33 PM

just think of what a team of log, clucky, milk and the one foot tall brick wall can do.

We might need to bring in some of the Sentai heavy hitters to take them on.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 04:42 PM

Loki, let's cut through the pretense: We know you hate Sakura because she's evolved beyond "Sasuke fangirl #20005" status and has developed into her own character and become useful. You hate her she doesn't blindly perceive Sasuke as the epitome of ninja perfection but what he truly is: A angry, vindictive perfectionist who sees nothing beyond his blind need for vengeance. You hate her because her character is no longer dependent on Sasuke. You'd be nothing but content if she were simply a whore to Sasuke as you quite plainly expressed on numerous occasions on several Naruto threads just to feel vindication in your belief that Sasuke is infallible.

Really, you created this thread simply as a means to eviscerate Sakura. And I'll tell ya, you've failed horribly.

Truth Len.:biggrin:

Guy1

12-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Anyway, as long as we're discussing Naruto women, I want to see more Anko, more Tenten and more of Hinata.
Take that anyway you want.

master of read

12-03-2008, 05:48 PM

strangely, i want to see more matsuri. i dont care if she's filler, i still love her.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 05:52 PM

strangely, i want to see more matsuri. i dont care if she's filler, i still love her.

This her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLld4AKjRWQ

master of read

12-03-2008, 06:10 PM

This her?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLld4AKjRWQ

yep. gaara's one and only student.

Guy1

12-03-2008, 07:23 PM

yep. gaara's one and only student.

I avoided Naruto fillers like the plauge, was that one any good?

master of read

12-03-2008, 07:36 PM

I avoided Naruto fillers like the plauge, was that one any good?

i havent seen it yet but i heard it was good. the sand trio take on students from the academy. most of the students study under temari and kankuro but only one goes to gaara: matsuri. he trains her for a little while until she is kidnapped by filler ninja. gaara goes balls out to save her.

she appears in shippuden, talking to temari about wanting to save gaara.

lokisedge

12-04-2008, 04:14 AM

Loki, let's cut through the pretense: We know you hate Sakura because she's evolved beyond "Sasuke fangirl #20005" status and has developed into her own character and become useful.And what character might that may be? Stock Tsundere #8009 with pink hair and emo fetish? She hasn't shown she's developed from Sasuke nor has she shown the abilty to not break down when Sasuke is involved. You hate her she doesn't blindly perceive Sasuke as the epitome of ninja perfection but what he truly is: A angry, vindictive perfectionist who sees nothing beyond his blind need for vengeance.And how is Naruto any better? He's still debased from a kid with balls of steel the size of Mount Everest to a moaning and whiny faggot with the sole motivation of freeing Sasuke from the shackless of whatever it is that he's retaliating against. A terrible character that's not following his original archetype anymore. Sakura is even worse, a condenscending bi polar train wreck of emotions that thinks she's useful by just healing and smashing slow targets yet she contridicts herself and fools herself into thinking she's got game. You hate her because her character is no longer dependent on Sasuke. You'd be nothing but content if she were simply a whore to Sasuke as you quite plainly expressed on numerous occasions on several Naruto threads just to feel vindication in your belief that Sasuke is infallible.No I hate her because of what she says she will do but doesn't actually do it, making her a pack of hypocrisy. She grows at an abnormal rate and surpasses her team mates in everything and steals their spotlight. She's plain, selfish, over emotional, and full of total PIS when she does do something relevant towards the plot. Sasuke has nothing to do with her failure. Sakura can actually get some balls for once and really on her own merit instead of Naruto's and Sasuke's to get strength. She's not dependant nor determined to change on her own terms, she has to wait for Naruto to acheive something.

Thanks for restating the obvious.

Really, you created this thread simply as a means to eviscerate Sakura. And I'll tell ya, you've failed horribly.And you fail at trolling because this thread started off as a simple question.

Guy1

12-04-2008, 08:02 AM

i havent seen it yet but i heard it was good. the sand trio take on students from the academy. most of the students study under temari and kankuro but only one goes to gaara: matsuri. he trains her for a little while until she is kidnapped by filler ninja. gaara goes balls out to save her.

she appears in shippuden, talking to temari about wanting to save gaara.

Interesting, I'll try to find the episode with her.
And for the bolded part: A pissed off Gaara is a bad thing.

Guy1

12-04-2008, 08:05 AM

Calling Naruto a faggot now? Really lokisedge, would it kill you to give someone who wasn't an Uchiha some respect?:rolleyes:

Kid Kamikaze10

12-04-2008, 08:08 AM

And please, watch the homophobic language.

Just because you hate Naruto, doesn't mean the hate needs to spill over to real people.

Nik Hasta

12-04-2008, 09:21 AM

Sakura is even worse, a condenscending bi polar train wreck of emotions that thinks she's useful by just healing and smashing slow targets yet she contridicts herself and fools herself into thinking she's got game.

I thought your entire issue was that Sakura was unfairly powerful and junk. Surely that would imply that you think she has unfair amounts of "game,"

If you're going to bash a character, at least keep it straight what aspects of them you're bashing.

Guy1

12-04-2008, 10:32 AM

I thought your entire issue was that Sakura was unfairly powerful and junk. Surely that would imply that you think she has unfair amounts of "game,"

If you're going to bash a character, at least keep it straight what aspects of them you're bashing.

Really, loki's problem all boils down to the fact that she isn't an Uchiha and thus he insults her. The same thing he does with all other characters in the Manga who aren't related to them.

Guy1

12-04-2008, 10:59 AM

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7999482&postcount=83
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7997710&postcount=2669
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=7988412&postcount=2576
It anyone is a troll lokisedge, it's you.

GrampaGen

12-04-2008, 12:09 PM

Well, this thread is done.

Loki just admitted that he doesn't hate Sakura for any reason that would make her a mary sue. I mean, he just listed a number of glaring character flaws which runs contrary to the definition. I suppose being intolerant of the character's presence would make it seem that she's there longer than she needs to be...as infrequently as she appears.

No, he just plain hates her, and characters that don't stay true to archetypal form. in general. Man, I wish every story had characters that stayed the same all the time too. That Uchiha boy is a prime example of a character that..never..cha- PPPFFFTTHH I'm sorry, I can't do it.

No I hate her because of what she says she will do but doesn't actually do it, making her a pack of hypocrisy. She grows at an abnormal rate and surpasses her team mates in everything and steals their spotlight. She's plain, selfish, over emotional, and full of total PIS when she does do something relevant towards the plot. Sasuke has nothing to do with her failure. Sakura can actually get some balls for once and really on her own merit instead of Naruto's and Sasuke's to get strength. She's not dependant nor determined to change on her own terms, she has to wait for Naruto to acheive something.

I LOL'd at this whole paragraph. The double standards, contradictions and made up aspects of this character breakdown are hilarious!