Why isn't Xavier crazy?

[marvell2100]

It's been a running hypothesis that the more powerful a mutant that you are, the better your chances are of becoming crazy or unstable. Jean, Magneto, Wanda, Exodus, Havok, Polaris and even Wolverine are some of the mutants who have had boughts with insanity. Charles is arguably the most powerful mutant mind on Earth. What makes him different? Why hasn't this happened to Xavier?

[Optic Rage!]

It's been a running hypothesis that the more powerful a mutant that you are, the better your chances are of becoming crazy or unstable. Jean, Magneto, Wanda, Exodus, Havok, Polaris and even Wolverine are some of the mutants who have had boughts with insanity. Charles is arguably the most powerful mutant mind on Earth. What makes him different? Why hasn't this happened to Xavier?

.......Onslaught?

I can't blame you if you blocked this out tough.

[marvell2100]

.......Onslaught?

I can't blame you if you blocked this out tough.

That was more of fragments of Magneto and Xavier personas merging rather than Xavier simply going crazy. And yes that was apart of my psychic defenses until you just smashed them down. Thanks.

[jmc247]

Marvel likes the idea that there is a price or some kind of catch to a human having so much power. Usually, the price or catch ends up being power madness so the heroes get to have a big fight scene with that character like say the Phoenix.

With Xavier over the years the catch to his incrediblely powerful mind is usually that he can't walk. Right now he is cripped in part because his memories are messed up. I suspect after he gets his memories back the writers will physically cripple him again within a couple years.

[marvell2100]

Marvel likes the idea that there is a price or some kind of catch to a human having so much power. Usually, the price or catch ends up being power madness so the heroes get to have a big fight scene with that character like say the Phoenix.

With Xavier over the years the catch to his incrediblely powerful mind is usually that he can't walk. Right now he is cripped in part because his memories are messed up. I suspect after he gets his memories back the writers will physically cripple him again within a couple years.

Yeah but unlike some of the others, the chances of his powers driving him crazy are nil and have never been brought up ala Magneto. I just find it curious that a guy with that kind of power and the very nature of his power hasn't just freaked out(Onslaught withstanding).

[Mikl C]

I liked Onslaught. It was pure 90s. Kubert on point and Lobdell doing some standard superhero fare= happy mikl.

[Flash's Lightning]

Because he's an incredibly willful person and understands more about the mind than anyone else. Where Jean has to constantly block out stray emotions so she can't delve into other people's minds often, Charles seems to be able to hop in and out without any trouble.

Most likely it's just he has certain mental exercises and defenses, and is simply better at it than Jean - though it does appear he's tried to teach her over the years. And in any case, Jean wouldn't have had problems without intervention of the Phoenix driving her over the brink.

Possibly Professor X with the Phoenix power would also be loony as hell.

[Flash's Lightning]

It was pure 90s.

Please don't say this like it's a good thing. People may think you've gone Phoenix crazy yourself. :biggrin:

[jmc247]

Yeah but unlike some of the others, the chances of his powers driving him crazy are nil and have never been brought up ala Magneto. I just find it curious that a guy with that kind of power and the very nature of his power hasn't just freaked out(Onslaught withstanding).

Well the original idea of Onslaught was it was supposed to be a creation of Xavier's own mind and built up negative emotions. But, Lobdell somewhere along the line decided it would be better to protect Xavier's character by having "Magneto's evil" infect Xavier's mind and create Onslaught.

But, that was sort of ignored by the writers later and in issues like Onslaught Reborn they re-explained Onslaught that it was made up of a combination of both Xavier and Magneto's negative emotions.

[x_goalkeeper]

I actually think that being in a wheelchair makes Xavier more humble than the others with great power. It makes his thoughts more slow, maybe more calm than others?

[marvell2100]

Because he's an incredibly willful person and understands more about the mind than anyone else. Where Jean has to constantly block out stray emotions so she can't delve into other people's minds often, Charles seems to be able to hop in and out without any trouble.

Most likely it's just he has certain mental exercises and defenses, and is simply better at it than Jean - though it does appear he's tried to teach her over the years. And in any case, Jean wouldn't have had problems without intervention of the Phoenix driving her over the brink.

Possibly Professor X with the Phoenix power would also be loony as hell.

It's gotta be more than just having a strong will. Magneto's will is nearly as strong as Xaviers. Just as Mag's power affects the electromagnetic field in his brain, the same should apply to Charles because he is in effect interfacing with another electromagnetic field, someone else's brain..

[Flash's Lightning]

It's gotta be more than just having a strong will. Magneto's will is nearly as strong as Xaviers. Just as Mag's power affects the electromagnetic field in his brain, the same should apply to Charles because he is in effect interfacing with another electromagnetic field, someone else's brain..

Willfull + Mental Exercises? Plus, Magneto had traumatic experiences via the Nazi's in his early childhood, which probably pushed his mental state even further out there.

[Slung]

Because he's an incredibly willful person and understands more about the mind than anyone else. Where Jean has to constantly block out stray emotions so she can't delve into other people's minds often, Charles seems to be able to hop in and out without any trouble.

Most likely it's just he has certain mental exercises and defenses, and is simply better at it than Jean - though it does appear he's tried to teach her over the years. And in any case, Jean wouldn't have had problems without intervention of the Phoenix driving her over the brink.

Possibly Professor X with the Phoenix power would also be loony as hell.

Don't forget that it wasn't the Phoenix power that drove Jean mad, it was Mastermind and Emma Frost violating her mind, twisting it and fracturing it into a couple separate personalities (Jean, Lady Grey and ultimately Dark Phoenix).

[Flash's Lightning]

Don't forget that it wasn't the Phoenix power that drove Jean mad, it was Mastermind and Emma Frost violating her mind, twisting it and fracturing it into a couple separate personalities (Jean, Lady Grey and ultimately Dark Phoenix).

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Man were those some good stories back in the Claremont days. *sigh*

(Granted, I read them after the fact, but I still see the Claremont era as the definitive one.)

[Mikl C]

Please don't say this like it's a good thing. People may think you've gone Phoenix crazy yourself. :biggrin:


IT IS.

gimme the 90s over today any time.

[jmc247]

Don't forget that it wasn't the Phoenix power that drove Jean mad, it was Mastermind and Emma Frost violating her mind, twisting it and fracturing it into a couple separate personalities (Jean, Lady Grey and ultimately Dark Phoenix).

For x-characters it is usually something on top of their powers that is the catalyst for their extreme behavior or madness.

Wanda: Learning about the loss of her children.
Polaris: Living though a genocide and spending weeks among decaying bodies with the last moments of the dead being replayed in her head.
Jean: As you said.
Magneto: I think we all know.

I could go on, but the point is there usually is some event that triggers the big turn in characters, too much power alone almost never does it. Most often there has to be some major emotional trauma that starts things off.

[Mikl C]

WANDA ALWAYS KNEW ABOUT HER CHILDREN.

end!

[jmc247]

WANDA ALWAYS KNEW ABOUT HER CHILDREN.


Not according to Bendis. :tongue:

But, yah you are right about that I read Avengers West Coast Annual #6 or 7 I think it was as well.

[marvell2100]

For x-characters it is usually something on top of their powers that is the catalyst for their extreme behavior or madness.

Wanda: Learning about the loss of her children.
Polaris: Living though a genocide and spending weeks among decaying bodies with the last moments of the dead being replayed in her head.
Jean: As you said.
Magneto: I think we all know.

I could go on, but the point is there usually is some event that triggers the big turn in characters, too much power alone almost never does it. Most often there has to be some major emotional trauma that starts things off.

The deaths of his original X-Men should have had a bigger impact on Xavier than has been shown. Also the death of his son. But then again he was never really close to David.

[Flash's Lightning]

Also the death of his son. But then again he was never really close to David.

He was never really close to *anyone*, except for three people - Erik as a friend, Scott as a kind of replacement son, and Jean as a...um, love interest, apparently. I feel dirty just saying that. :frown:

(That's also a product of the 90's by the way...just saying... :biggrin: )

[nikbackm]

Don't forget that it wasn't the Phoenix power that drove Jean mad, it was Mastermind and Emma Frost violating her mind, twisting it and fracturing it into a couple separate personalities (Jean, Lady Grey and ultimately Dark Phoenix).

It's generous of you to give Emma credit for that, but as I read the story it was Mastermind working solo; Emma only gave him a tool that made it possible for him to project his illusions directly into Jean's mind from a distance.

[psychic_therapy]

Why isn't he crazy? I guess just not being crazy, that's what sets the greatest from the also-rans. But I can't think of a tangible or explainable reason.

[marvell2100]

For x-characters it is usually something on top of their powers that is the catalyst for their extreme behavior or madness.

Wanda: Learning about the loss of her children.
Polaris: Living though a genocide and spending weeks among decaying bodies with the last moments of the dead being replayed in her head.
Jean: As you said.
Magneto: I think we all know.

I could go on, but the point is there usually is some event that triggers the big turn in characters, too much power alone almost never does it. Most often there has to be some major emotional trauma that starts things off.

Why isn't he crazy? I guess just not being crazy, that's what sets the greatest from the also-rans. But I can't think of a tangible or explainable reason.

We didn't know it at the time but the death's of his original X-team and then the belief that Scott and the others died in Antarctica could have been a cause for madness. Being implanted with a Brood egg could have been a reason as well.

[worstblogever]

About once every other decade, he gets it all out of his system. (See Dark Xavier, Onslaught tales)

[marvell2100]

About once every other decade, he gets it all out of his system. (See Dark Xavier, Onslaught tales)

Lol, he takes a diarrhetic? Lol!

[ZNOP]

It's generous of you to give Emma credit for that, but as I read the story it was Mastermind working solo; Emma only gave him a tool that made it possible for him to project his illusions directly into Jean's mind from a distance.

So, If I ask you to give me the keys to your car -- and you knowing that I, a co-member of the "Hellfire Club" intend on commit a crime against humanity; are innocent because you were not present when the act was perpetrated? Yea, that make sense in any language.

[7thangel]

when his consciousness was trying to kill off his students and the whole microverse in x-men/micronauts count? is it canon?

i can't remember if they gave some cheesy excuse like they did later on with the onslaught saga to save xaviers rep, i just remember the power hungry evil

[AcesX1X]

OK jeancrazies. let's just stop this slander right now. you all are continuously looking more and more petty.

emma can't be held responsible if jean is so weak-willed that she can't handle a little stress.

certainly mastermind didn't even want to break jean into a psychotic, galaxy-eating freak of nature - he just wanted a pet slave via mindcontrol.

[Flash's Lightning]

he just wanted a pet slave via mindcontrol.

Oh, is that all? Damn, why didn't you say so in the first place. All is forgiven.

[ZNOP]

OK jeancrazies. let's just stop this slander right now. you all are continuously looking more and more petty.

It's not slander if it true.

emma can't be held responsible if jean is so weak-willed that she can't handle a little stress.

But, Emma was held responsible don't you remember? Jean pimp slapped Emma into a comma which lasted for months if not years. That would be the first of many butt slapping humiliations that Emma would receive from the mind of Jean.

certainly mastermind didn't even want to break jean into a psychotic, galaxy-eating freak of nature - he just wanted a pet slave via mindcontrol.

IMHO then, he should have chosen Emma... She was already use to dancing on the Hellfire Club's tables.

This is the truth as I see it... Don't hate:biggrin:

[Swashbuckler]

I actually think that being in a wheelchair makes Xavier more humble than the others with great power. It makes his thoughts more slow, maybe more calm than others?

This passive aggressive attitude toward the crippled is foul. Stop being so harsh X-G.

[AcesX1X]

I actually think that being in a wheelchair makes Xavier more humble than the others with great power. It makes his thoughts more slow, maybe more calm than others?

what do you mean about people in wheelchairs thinking "slow?"

[Swashbuckler]

what do you mean about people in wheelchairs thinking "slow?"

Agreed. This is just rude. I know plenty of crippled people who are far quicker then X-G.

[Waterlily]

what do you mean about people in wheelchairs thinking "slow?"

It's the SHAME of being in one that drives one to think carefully. I'm assuming by "slow" they mean carefully.


x-goalie, I realize that English isn't your first language and that you are still learning but, please, consider what you say more carefully in the future.

[Waterlily]

More on topic, I think Xavier is crazy, he dressed up a bunch of teenager as bumblees and sent them to fight a super crazy person.

[Swashbuckler]

More on topic, I think Xavier is crazy, he dressed up a bunch of teenager as bumblees and sent them to fight a super crazy person.

And he dated a bird woman!! I'm sure he hates Rachel Grey now.

[Aguja]

And he dated a bird woman!! I'm sure he hates Rachel Grey now.

OMG maybe that will make him finally go over the edge?

He could psychically revert R'chle to her true saurian heritage.

[nikbackm]

So, If I ask you to give me the keys to your car -- and you knowing that I, a co-member of the "Hellfire Club" intend on commit a crime against humanity; are innocent because you were not present when the act was perpetrated? Yea, that make sense in any language.

To bring the thread back off-topic...

Who's assigning blame here? I just said she should not get any of the credit since it was clear Mastermind was the instigator of the whole plot, he was the one familiar with the X-Men from before after all. He just approached the Inner Circle since he needed extra supplies (and he also hoped to take over there later once successful) but once he got them it was all his own work and he should be recognized for that.

[Crowforge]

How do we know the shadowking isn't a fragment of Xavier's mind?

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Xavier is a broken character. He could end most of the fights instantly if you think about it so they stick him in a wheelchair back at the mansion usually crippled, full of super advanced medical and mechanical equipment that'd make Tony Stark wet his metal pants from across the room. because if the used him to his full potential it'd just be him and Storm or jean ruling the world.

[Giles]

You could say that he had a crazy dream; peace between mutants and humans. Crazy beacause neither mutants nor humans could keep the peace between themselves, much less than between each other.

[digitalways]

More on topic, I think Xavier is crazy, he dressed up a bunch of teenager as bumblees and sent them to fight a super crazy person.

I think we've found the answer right here, guys. Case closed.

[Omegastorm]

Anyone remember Dark Xavier or the X-men and the MIcronauts. He has been crazy before like when he first fell in love w/ Lilandra.

o

[Monty_Cristo]

he's crazy for not putting Shortpack in charge of the X-men.

[Monty_Cristo]

About once every other decade, he gets it all out of his system. (See Dark Xavier, Onslaught tales)

on a related note, i've heard that males can experience PMS. is that true?

[Crowforge]

on a related note, i've heard that males can experience PMS. is that true?
In my experience no, I'm pretty consistently miserable.

[Rowenna]

on a related note, i've heard that males can experience PMS. is that true?

They can get something similar. Nine-week hormonal cycle, so men typically get moody and irritable every nine weeks or so. Apparently

[Jimmy'sFriend]

I'd go crazy just trying to figure out of I could walk or not - he's in crippled, healed, crippled, healed so many times.

[Crowforge]

I've slept on my arms wrong, and it was pretty funny (also surprising how heavy my arm is), also I got really sick and couldn't move, was kind of amazing. I imagine the fact that it's not permanent takes the edge off the loss.

[marvell2100]

on a related note, i've heard that males can experience PMS. is that true?

Yes, men often experience it right after a woman ends hers. It's called Pre Meditated Sex.