New Preview Pages to Black Panther #1? SPOILERS

[Iron Maiden]

I scanned these from the current Marvel Previews for February products. I don't think I have seen these pages posted anywhere. Ken Lashley sure does a mighty fine Doom at least.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/Comics%202009/BP1previewA.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/Comics%202009/BP1previewB.jpg

After looking back at the Hudlin interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18612) here...


In his poem “The Female of the Species,” Rudyard Kipling famously observed, “the female of the species is more deadly than the male,” a lesson which the new Black Panther is happy to teach to her foes. “She will be facing off with an interesting range of villains--the first of which will be a surprise appearance of a character strongly associated with one series but is a perfect fit for this one as well,” Hudlin stated.


Gee, I guess it's not a surprise anymore. :rolleyes: I hope it's not another example of a rookie superhero put up against Doom just to give an immediate boost in status. It would be more interesting to see if this has has anything to do with Doom trying to get Wakanda on board with the Dark Illuminati.

[The Alliance]

Well it's caught my attention.

[SquidSquod]

So it's going to be T'Challa sister (Shuri) in the costume, while T'Challa himself in med stasis after getting smacked by Doom?

[drwho]

To me it would make more sense for Storm to be the black panther since the person in that position tends to be the ruler of the kingdom.

[Lord Destiny]

Marvel should pay more attention to DC. They tried this en masse a few years ago (replacements, particularly towards minorities) and I think all those books have officially been cancelled now...

Don't ruin the Black Panther franchise just because sales have dipped. Just put T'Challa on a shelf for a few years, let folks get their appetites up again, and start another series. These changes are pointless. They do very little good in the short run, and only damage the integrity of the franchise in the long run.

[Doc Goblin]

Marvel should pay more attention to DC. They tried this en masse a few years ago (replacements, particularly towards minorities) and I think all those books have officially been cancelled now...

Yeah, but those attempts failed because of bad writing, being uphill battles in the first place or just poor effort to push them on DC's part. Not because of the replacing.

I also doubt this is a permanent change as far as Black Panther is concerned. Especially if it's supposed to be Ororo. It's just the latest stunt to try to get new readers to come on board and actually stick around.

That said, I'm thinking about giving this a try. Just to see what it's about, and the art looks nice enough. I should probably have my head examined for even considering giving Hudlin yet another shot, but... I don't know. I don't have a "but..." Maybe it's a tumor.

[RolandJP]

Marvel should pay more attention to DC. They tried this en masse a few years ago (replacements, particularly towards minorities) and I think all those books have officially been cancelled now...

Don't ruin the Black Panther franchise just because sales have dipped. Just put T'Challa on a shelf for a few years, let folks get their appetites up again, and start another series. These changes are pointless. They do very little good in the short run, and only damage the integrity of the franchise in the long run.


In other words---> when you look at this glass I can guess which side you lean

http://roddzblog.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/glass-half-full.jpg


On another note, I love that New Black Panther Preview image. The art is superb.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1224614104.jpg

[Flâneur]

Marvel should pay more attention to DC. They tried this en masse a few years ago (replacements, particularly towards minorities) and I think all those books have officially been cancelled now...

Don't ruin the Black Panther franchise just because sales have dipped. Just put T'Challa on a shelf for a few years, let folks get their appetites up again, and start another series. These changes are pointless. They do very little good in the short run, and only damage the integrity of the franchise in the long run.

lol, having a female involved in the Black Panther mythos 'ruins' it? I think Black Panther is the wrong book to be reading if you think the pushing of a minority ruins things.

[akumasan]

hmm looks good so far.

[BBeeryan]

I scanned these from the current Marvel Previews for February products. I don't think I have seen these pages posted anywhere. Ken Lashley sure does a mighty fine Doom at least.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/Comics%202009/BP1previewA.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/IronMaiden99/Comics%202009/BP1previewB.jpg

After looking back at the Hudlin interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18612) here...



Gee, I guess it's not a surprise anymore. :rolleyes: I hope it's not another example of a rookie superhero put up against Doom just to give an immediate boost in status. It would be more interesting to see if this has has anything to do with Doom trying to get Wakanda on board with the Dark Illuminati.

First off, Ororo is crying, so I know, outside all hell is breaking loose. And when she gets her hands on the person who brought about T'Challa' s demise, they would've had better luck pissin' off Wolverine.

[Yogaflame]

Maybe the next time his uberpowerful wife tries to whup Doom's butt, T'Challa will have the sense to let her.

[arp2008]

Seriously, is their any hero Doom doesn't f*ck with?

[DeadXMan]

you want sales increase get rid of Hudlin.

[DeadXMan]

Seriously, is their any hero Doom dosn't f*ck with?

squirrel girl

[arp2008]

squirrel girl Heh. I'm sure its only a matter of time.

[Dr. Chaos]

Well, this should be interesting.

But there is only one true way the new Panther can prove herself:

She's going to have to put Doom in an armbar.

[BBeeryan]

Well, this should be interesting.

But there is only one true way the new Panther can prove herself:

She's going to have to put Doom in an armbar.

I'd prefer she just snatch the oeygen outta his lungs. That will let him know who is in the seat of power.

p.s. NO MORE BAITING.:eek: :tongue: :eek:

[marvell2100]

Art looks good. Curious as to what happened to T'Challa to put him in a sensory deprivation tank and what kind of offer is Doom making?

[DeadXMan]

Heh. I'm sure its only a matter of time.

well Ditko had Doom kill her family off panal, I think

[Umbra]

OK, I think RH might surpise a few folks. I will be getting this.

[Dr. Chaos]

OK, I think RH might surpise a few folks. I will be getting this.
Me aswell.

I'm a sucker for the new costume.

[Omegastorm]

I will definitely check this out. A grieving and angry storm is a storm no one should want to miss with.

o

[Post-It]

Should be interesting. Besides, every now and then a hero is bound to get his ass handed to him and require a lengthy break to recover, especially when they do not have superhuman invulnerability or healing. Plus, maybe seeing T'Challa hurt will get people to stop complaining that Hudlin makes him BP "too perfect."

[DeadXMan]

then there's gonna be the people mad that BP got his ass handed by a white man.

be it Doom or not.

[BBeeryan]

then there's gonna be the people mad that BP got his ass handed by a white man.

be it Doom or not.

What?!?:confused::rolleyes::confused:

[DeadXMan]

wait and see.

just look at the crap Cap went through when they had falcon being burned on the cover

[Brian Cronin]

Marvel should pay more attention to DC. They tried this en masse a few years ago (replacements, particularly towards minorities) and I think all those books have officially been cancelled now...


Agreed, Black Panther will be ruined if they replace the character with a minority hero.

-Brian

[Beast]

Agreed, Black Panther will be ruined if they replace the character with a minority hero.

-Brian
Zing!!

Looks good. Though I'm hoping Black Panther's injuries are from Storm in World's Apart. And that the T'Challa and Doom preview page is a flashback to something that relates to the story.

[$5 Milkshake]

This whole new #1 thing annoys me. It just seems so superfluous, re-launching with the same damn writer of the last low selling series.

I dont mean to harp on Hudlin, I know its getting old to hear that same old song and dance. I just dont understand Marvel's thought process here. Its not like they havent been promoting the character, tie ins all over the place to every major Marvel event, big marriage to a very popular character. Hell, he was even on the Fantastic Four for a while.

And yet....the sales still stunk. I love Black Panther, but its certainly possible that interest in the character just doesnt warrant his own series. However, if you (Marvel) want to look past that and keep the character around because you feel he's important in some way, then lets look at what else could be the cause of awful sales. The only other option is the creative team.

But nope, instead of replacing the creative team like they would on ANY OTHER PROPERTY, they decided to relaunch with the same writer, and make Panther a woman instead.

'Cause yeah, the reason people werent buying the series in this testosterone driven industry is because the average comic fan would much rather spend their money on a female lead. Which is why there are so many successful comics featuring a female lead right now...

[BBeeryan]

Zing!!

Looks good. Though I'm hoping Black Panther's injuries are from Storm in World's Apart. And that the T'Challa and Doom preview page is a flashback to something that relates to the story.

STAY OUTTA MY HEAD!!!:tongue::biggrin: I was thinkin this might be the outcome. I mean, after all they( Yost & Marvel) said that Storm's mini would have a big impact on Black Panther and Astonishing X-men. Depending if she is in either books. We see Ororo... so? I really can't wait for the re-launch.

[Imraith Nimphais]

Wotever else happens...(I am not giving in to speculation)...the art looks really good.

[Umbra]

Wotever else happens...(I am not giving in to speculation)...the art looks really good.

That one thing that RH last run did not have. Great art after JRJ.

But "Ledkilla" (the new artist) loves BP, so maybe this is a turning point. I think RH has a chip on his shoulder, and folks should give him a chance. He is not running B.E.T anymore, so now he can focus completely on this and the cartoon series.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Gee, I guess it's not a surprise anymore. :rolleyes: I hope it's not another example of a rookie superhero put up against Doom just to give an immediate boost in status. It would be more interesting to see if this has has anything to do with Doom trying to get Wakanda on board with the Dark Illuminati.

oh shut up, Rookie Superheroes beat up established villains all the time. Cassandra Cain, Cassandra Sandsmark, New X-Men (beating Belasco, Nimrod), Runaways beating the Punisher, and these are kids, as oppose to an adult who might have been trained from an earlier age in how to fight and survive and ultimate be a superhero but only now has taken up the mantle of one.

Get off your high horses people, take your thumbs out your arse, Hudlin isn't doing ANYTHING that hasn't be done already. It's just being done with a character that many would rather see in the shadow only mentioned once in a blue moon and who gains very little to no credibility and or fame and ultimately be killed off by some other rookie villain so as to get some cred but not really shake up the reader base.

bunchoffreakinsoandsos...

[Umbra]

I hope Norman Osborn is the one that hurt T'challa, so T'challa can come back and kick his A$$.:biggrin:

[B. Kuwanger]

When I saw those two preview pages, I figured that Doom put a beat down on the Black Panther. And it made me think of that one Usher video.

Lashley is cool, but Eaton is just as cool.

[Iron Maiden]

oh shut up, Rookie Superheroes beat up established villains all the time. Cassandra Cain, Cassandra Sandsmark, New X-Men (beating Belasco, Nimrod), Runaways beating the Punisher, and these are kids, as oppose to an adult who might have been trained from an earlier age in how to fight and survive and ultimate be a superhero but only now has taken up the mantle of one.

Get off your high horses people, take your thumbs out your arse, Hudlin isn't doing ANYTHING that hasn't be done already. It's just being done with a character that many would rather see in the shadow only mentioned once in a blue moon and who gains very little to no credibility and or fame and ultimately be killed off by some other rookie villain so as to get some cred but not really shake up the reader base.

bunchoffreakinsoandsos...

Hey, act your age not your shoe size. Intelligent people discuss things without insults.

[marvell2100]

I think Doom is there just to offer support and assistance. I think he has too much respect for Storm or T'Challa to try anything underhanded.

[CyberHubbs]

The artist has a Jim Lee style, which is cool by me. But Hudlin is still writing it?

...Well, I'll give the first issue a try anyway.

[akumasan]

then there's gonna be the people mad that BP got his ass handed by a white man.

be it Doom or not.

which isnt any different than the silly argument of claiming that hudlin is racist because BP is defeating white villians.

[marvell2100]

which isnt any different than the silly argument of claiming that hudlin is racist because BP is defeating white villians.

Right and again.

[Iron Maiden]

Even though he's never been accurately depicted as such, Victor Von Doom is also a minority, since he is Romany by birth. They are one of the most persecuted groups in the European Union.

[The Cool Thatguy]

which isnt any different than the silly argument of claiming that hudlin is racist because BP is defeating white villians.

And because he accused Priest fans of being like those "white people who keep saying the South will rise again" and his constant use of outdated political stereotypes.

He may not be racist, but he sure loves to hide behind it.

[MichaelChen]

then there's gonna be the people mad that BP got his ass handed by a white man.

be it Doom or not.


Doom is actually a Gypsy, which is to say of Indian ancestry. He's not white.

[RolandJP]

When I saw those two preview pages, I figured that Doom put a beat down on the Black Panther. And it made me think of that one Usher video.

For some reason the only Usher video I can think of at the moment is, "Same Girl" with R. Kelly---that Sh... was tight.

[Umbra]

which isnt any different than the silly argument of claiming that hudlin is racist because BP is defeating white villians.

Agreed.
That's what insecure idiots believe. BP defeating villians is all that should matter. If they happend to be white, black, green or yellow should be on the back burner.

Also most villians and characters in Marvel are white, the main villans are white. So basically, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't for Hudlin. Which is getting kinda lame.

[princesa]

I am very excited over this upcoming title. I love the art in the title. Personally I want Storm to be the Panther and thats at least 50/50.

[princesa]

Agreed.
That's what insecure idiots believe. BP defeating villians is all that should matter. If they happend to be white, black, green or yellow should be on the back burner.

Also most villians and characters in Marvel are white, the main villans are white. So basically, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't for Hudlin. Which is getting kinda lame.


Please tell me nobody who can turn on a computer is even dumb enough to take an argument there. And if they are they are too stupid to deal with anyway. No one iis obligated to try to help the challenged.

[RolandJP]

I am very excited over this upcoming title. I love the art in the title. Personally I want Storm to be the Panther and thats at least 50/50.

I am with you on that. Storm as BP would rock all kinds of bells.

[drwho]

If Storm does not turn out to be the new BP because we know Marvel is gonna draw this crud out for at least 6 issues like with Hulk will we as readers even give a damn about the character? :tongue:

[DeadXMan]

you the hulk book that is dominating the event heavy market?
:tongue:

[drwho]

you the hulk book that is dominating the event heavy market?
:tongue:

I'm talking about the whole who is the identity of the character plot Marvel likes to use so much.

[Umbra]

Please tell me nobody who can turn on a computer is even dumb enough to take an argument there. And if they are they are too stupid to deal with anyway. No one iis obligated to try to help the challenged.

:biggrin: Agreed.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Please tell me nobody who can turn on a computer is even dumb enough to take an argument there. And if they are they are too stupid to deal with anyway. No one iis obligated to try to help the challenged.

You'd be surprised the number of dumb arguements and actions out there. Why, I remember when a writer was caught using another handle to bash other writers and his critics. Granted, that's bad on it's own but what was even worse was how his fans offered suggestions on how to avoid detection the next time.

Granted, those guys weren't mentally challenged, but morally.

[Umbra]

You'd be surprised the number of dumb arguements and actions out there. Why, I remember when a writer was caught using another handle to bash other writers and his critics. Granted, that's bad on it's own but what was even worse was how his fans offered suggestions on how to avoid detection the next time.

Granted, those guys weren't mentally challenged, but morally.

Dude, the Hudlin hate is getting old. Get over it, or don't post about the guy. If you don't like his work, don't post in threats about BP. We ALL KNOW you don't like him... we get it.

Still, as others were saying, there is not excuse for the idiotic double-standard and moronic nonsense about T'challa beating a white villian, when about 90 or more % are white in MU. Where all the main villians, the legacy villians are white, and when a writer MAKES THE HERO BEAT HIM you have stuipid fanbrats complaining. That is mornic... T'challa is a hero, if he beats a villian it should not matter what color they are...and the fact is most of them *are* white. It should not matter that he is black...it should not matter that he is white...sadly to a lot of folks it does. But they will never state it because they are cowards.

To me that is DUMB as hell, and is actually more racist then anything Huldin has done.

So it's damned he does, damned if he doesn't. While I don't agree with the act you stated in your post. I also don't agree with the foolish double standard people apply to him. He wasn't great, but again the dude was writing comics on a freaking plane on his spare time, while running a major cable network.

I wonder is the insane hate, and double standard would do to drive someone to do something like that. A dude the loved the book so much that he was spending his own money to make sure it gets printed.

I have bashed him a lot, but I am just saying it is getting old. I see a lot of double standards and I am going to call them out.

[Umbra]

Question.
If there was a war between Wakanda and Latveria...and Wakanda (a unbeaten nation) beats Latveria...how many of you would be mad?:eek:

[The Cool Thatguy]

Dude, the Hudlin hate is getting old. Get over it, or don't post about the guy. If you don't like his work, don't post in threats about BP. We ALL KNOW you don't like him... we get it.

Still, as others were saying, there is not excuse for the idiotic double-standard and moronic nonsense about T'challa beating a white villian, when about 90 or more % are white in MU. Where all the main villians, the legacy villians are white, and when a writer MAKES THE HERO BEAT HIM you have stuipid fanbrats complaining. That is mornic... T'challa is a hero, if he beats a villian it should not matter what color they are...and the fact is most of them *are* white. It should not matter that he is black...it should not matter that he is white...sadly to a lot of folks it does. But they will never state it because they are cowards.

To me that is DUMB as hell, and is actually more racist then anything Huldin has done.

So it's damned he does, damned if he doesn't. While I don't agree with the act you stated in your post. I also don't agree with the foolish double standard people apply to him. He wasn't great, but again the dude was writing comics on a freaking plane on his spare time, while running a major cable network.

I wonder is the insane hate, and double standard would do to drive someone to do something like that. A dude the loved the book so much that he was spending his own money to make sure it gets printed.

I have bashed him a lot, but I am just saying it is getting old. I see a lot of double standards and I am going to call them out.

I try to avoid Hudlin threads, but to be honest the self pity really annoys me.

Hudlin throws around racial comments, sub-text and such carelessly, and that's being kind. When you combine that with his inability to tell a story and fans who love that Kool-Aid, well...

You wanna go on a pity parade, fine. That's your business.

I'm just gonna remind everyone that Hudlin et all have earned the loathing that comes down on him on a regular basis. I can't stand double standards myself. I might have been more forgiving if I weren't called racist for supporting the first African American writer in comics and inquiring about continuity mistakes, but here we are.

[Umbra]

I try to avoid Hudlin threads, but to be honest the self pity really annoys me.

Hudlin throws around racial comments, sub-text and such carelessly, and that's being kind. When you combine that with his inability to tell a story and fans who love that Kool-Aid, well...

You wanna go on a pity parade, fine. That's your business.

I'm just gonna remind everyone that Hudlin et all have earned the loathing that comes down on him on a regular basis. I can't stand double standards myself. I might have been more forgiving if I weren't called racist for supporting the first African American writer in comics and inquiring about continuity mistakes, but here we are.
Agreed on some points, but again you are still making excuse for what we pointed out in this thread. I am not giving any pity, i have pointed out well on the flaws he has...I even agree with some of the things you post...

I don't think he is racist, he might be indifferent... like other writers are indifferent to what may or may not be politically correct in certain circles. What you might read as 'racist'...others might not, and my relate to it...

For example, I read his entire run again, just to see if i was not influenced by reading boards on the net. I didn't find all the racist stuff folks were complaining about. I just hated the Gangsta Skrull arc, but I didn't think it was racist.

Also, Hudlin was labled racist by idiot fanbrats after T'chaka bested Steve Rogers, which is logical being the T'chaka was a harden warrior, and Steve was a new soldier...but NOOOOO Hudlin was labled a black racist. So the hate started from the very first issue...

There are reviews still on the net, and countless blogs stated so, and its sad. So maybe some folks are taking fantasy too serious, and reading into things on both sides.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Agreed on some points, but again you are still making excuse for what we pointed out in this thread. I am not giving any pity, i have pointed out well on the flaws he has...I even agree with some of the things you post...

I don't think he is racist, he might be indifferent... like other writers are indifferent to what may or may not be politically correct in certain circles. What you might read as 'racist'...others might not, and my relate to it...

For example, I read his entire run again, just to see if i was not influenced by reading boards on the net. I didn't find all the racist stuff folks were complaining about. I just hated the Gangsta Skrull arc, but I didn't think it was racist.

Also, Hudlin was labled racist by idiot fanbrats after T'chaka bested Steve Rogers, which is logical being the T'chaka was a harden warrior, and Steve was a new soldier...but NOOOOO Hudlin was labled a black racist. So the hate started from the very first issue...

There are reviews still on the net, and countless blogs stated so, and its sad. So maybe some folks are taking fantasy too serious, and reading into things on both sides.

Actually, Hudlin was labeled a racist for a host of reasons. You just want to focus on his writing thus making those reasons easier to ignore.

When asked about the continuity of his series, he responded by saying that some readers were afraid of strong black characters. He accused Priest fans of being like 'those white guys from the South'. His first arc was awash in outdated political stereotypes. His vampire arc was damn stupid in and of itself and the racism bit didn't help at all, his treatment of Doom was just stupid, etc.

Nine times out of ten, anyone Panther runs into is a strawman for Panther to show how cool he is or how cool and flawless Wakanda is. It's lousy writing and it's made all the worse by Hudlin's online comments and actions.

Yeah, alot of complaints about Hudlin are blown out of proportion. But not by much. Hudlin kicked the first rock free, and really has no right to complain now how he got caught in the avalanche.

[b4ustandsi]

im all for a new black panther but only so storm can go back to the xmen, where she belongs

[princesa]

First of all I love the art and obviously T'Challa is incapacitated so someone else (I hope Storm) has to carry the mantle as it were. I am very hyped about this storyline coming up.

[princesa]

I love Storm in this title btw, she deserves more in life than playing wet nurse. I like her in X books but she had become stale and cast aside like an old woman with a house full of cats.

[princesa]

You'd be surprised the number of dumb arguements and actions out there. Why, I remember when a writer was caught using another handle to bash other writers and his critics. Granted, that's bad on it's own but what was even worse was how his fans offered suggestions on how to avoid detection the next time.

Granted, those guys weren't mentally challenged, but morally.


That too is asinine and I don't get it. Some Hudlin fans can rival Hal Jordan fans in the irrational sense.I agree with the critics on some things, I can be very critical of his writing too. Also I think he's stubborn and yeah his fans can be annoying in their disregard for legitimate criticism. But some of those critics go beyond the pale to a very weird place. Some of them are issue-laden.

[Beast]

I love Storm in this title btw, she deserves more in life than playing wet nurse. I like her in X books but she had become stale and cast aside like an old woman with a house full of cats.
Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.

[Umbra]

Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.

I love it how some of you just had to come and side track.It's sad.


Going from Leader, to 4th and 5th tier behind Cyke, Jean, Emma, and Wolverine...then to Queen of a MU powerhouse nation and a member of the FF, while still being a X-men, and leader...and actually growing as a character is awesome.

[Umbra]

Actually, Hudlin was labeled a racist for a host of reasons. You just want to focus on his writing thus making those reasons easier to ignore.

When asked about the continuity of his series, he responded by saying that some readers were afraid of strong black characters. He accused Priest fans of being like 'those white guys from the South'. His first arc was awash in outdated political stereotypes. His vampire arc was damn stupid in and of itself and the racism bit didn't help at all, his treatment of Doom was just stupid, etc.

Nine times out of ten, anyone Panther runs into is a strawman for Panther to show how cool he is or how cool and flawless Wakanda is. It's lousy writing and it's made all the worse by Hudlin's online comments and actions.

Yeah, alot of complaints about Hudlin are blown out of proportion. But not by much. Hudlin kicked the first rock free, and really has no right to complain now how he got caught in the avalanche.

That is TRUE... there ARE some readers that ARE afriad of Strong black characters, they ARE afraid of black male with sexuality, the are AFRAID of a lot of things. That is coming from a point of view that will not be understood if you are not a black male. Being a black male, I totally agree.


Nine times out of ten, anyone Panther runs into is a strawman for Panther to show how cool he is or how cool and flawless Wakanda is. It's lousy writing and it's made all the worse by Hudlin's online comments and actions

Again, no one was complaining when BP was a doormat for years... NO one... you did not see this hate... Priest, Mcduffie and RH all said the same things...about how they HATED how they (other writers) treated the character...in a manner that Lee nor Kirby did or intended, as guy that was a doormat and just jumped around. The same guy that beat the FF in his first show.

RH goes about it a different way wrong or right, But still BP is a guy that IS BAD ASS...when folk just realize that he is THAT BAD ASS, this is the guy that took out the FF... and now the same so-called Racist RH has T'challa in a med vat and folks still complaining. It's lame and sad.

Again, what you see as racism isn't so outdated. Did you even see some of the Sarah Palin rallies. I mean come on... I enjoyed the vampire arc, it was entertaining, and it wasn't racist.

What we see is indifference, on BOTH SIDES... how many defended him when he had T'chaka beat CA every fanbrat jumped down the guys throat?

I thought so.

P.S
countless Writers ignore continuity.

[princesa]

[QUOTE=Beast;7993986]Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.[/QUOTE


I'll sidestep your strawman argument and say being a queen and having a life is a good step up from being a neglected relic. I'd like to see her better utilized in BP and everywhere else.

[Beast]

I'd like to see her better utilized in BP and everywhere else.
She's being utilized great in the X-Books right now.

It was so nice she got T'Challa's shackle off her leg and was able to come back.

[princesa]

I love it how some of you just had to come and side track.It's sad.


Going from Leader, to 4th and 5th tier behind Cyke, Jean, Emma, and Wolverine...then to Queen of a MU powerhouse nation and a member of the FF, while still being a X-men, and leader...and actually growing as a character is awesome.


Storm had been less than an after thought in the X titles for years. Now her status is maybe the most politically influential mutant in the world. Now she has gone formdiscarded to having a full life. Now I love seeing her in X titles and I wish she was better utilized in the BP but she is a better fuller character now.

[princesa]

She's being utilized great in the X-Books right now.

It was so nice she got T'Challa's shackle off her leg and was able to come back.


Really? Two pages in a book or two? And that as Queen Ororo is what amkes it interesting. Aiight, bored now.

[Umbra]

Also,Cool

If that was said to you, then you have every right to be pissed off...and that was ignorant and bad bussiness on RH part. Still, what he said about Strong black characters is correct. His statement about Priest fans was politcally incorrect.

He was saying that he would not going to apolize for making T'challa bad ass, as he was intented to be by his creators. He was probably pissed about the hate he was getting about the T'chaka and CA fight also. There is always two sides.

Still, he was wrong for saying it to someone that was trying to support.

I'm saying at some point folks are going to need to move past it.

I just don't get it. I don't see characters by color. They are just comic characters. I grew up loving Superman and Batman because they were cool. I paid not attention to the fact they were white. It didn't matter... I paid not attention to the fact that Peter Parker was white...nor the fact the T'challa the Black Panther was black.

They were just cool comic book heroes. As it should be...and I also agree that BP should not be a 'Black Comic' whatever that is... or a "Black hero'...he is just a hero.

But fanboi's see his race, and that is a fact.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.

It's better than being a stagnate character. Storm's had virtually the same status qou for 30 years. 30 years unchanged is not a good thing, even mainstays like Cap and Spider-Man get overhauls.


That is TRUE... there ARE some readers that ARE afriad of Strong black characters, they ARE afraid of black male with sexuality, the are AFRAID of a lot of things. That is coming from a point of view that will not be understood if you are not a black male. Being a black male, I totally agree.

In a country full of millions, you will find people of every stance no matter how stupid. So what?

That doesn't mean you can answer a question about continuity with a blanket statement that someone, somewhere is racially insecure. Call me crazy, but I don't see how that works.


Again, no one was complaining when BP was a doormat for years... NO one... you did not see this hate... Priest, Mcduffie and RH all said the same things...about how they HATED how they (other writers) treated the character...in a manner that Lee nor Kirby did or intended, as guy that was a doormat and just jumped around. The same guy that beat the FF in his first show.

RH goes about it a different way wrong or right, But still BP is a guy that IS BAD ASS...when folk just realize that he is THAT BAD ASS, this is the guy that took out the FF... and now the same so-called Racist RH has T'challa in a med vat and folks still complaining. It's lame and sad.

No, people are not complaining that Hudlin is making T'Challa bad ass. To be perfectly honest, when Priest made T'Challa a bad ass was when I started to love the character.

The difference is that Priest went about it in a logical and careful way. He played up Panther's strengths in a logic way and used other characters as a foil for Panther's flaws, strengths and other such things. Priest respected other characters when he used them, too. When Panther beat Iron Fist, he didn't do it by out kung-fuing him. He did it with his vastly superior brain.

Hudlin, on the other hand, is incapable of making one character look better without making another look worse. He depicted Captain America as an imperial tool, he had Photon not know her own powers, made Doom a racist, the list is just endless.

You see the same complaints wih Jeph Loeb. Given his lack luster story telling ability, I see no reason why Hudlin would be exempt from those complaints. His race baiting only adds fuel to the fire.


Again, what you see as racism isn't so outdated. Did you even see some of the Sarah Palin rallies. I mean come on... I enjoyed the vampire arc, it was entertaining, and it wasn't racist.

I didn't say racism is outdated. I'm noyt that naive. I was referring to his political stereotypes in the first arc. They're outdated by decades and Black Knight by a century at least.

[QUOTE=Umbra;7994064]What we see is indifference, on BOTH SIDES... how many defended him when he had T'chaka beat CA every fanbrat jumped down the guys throat?

I thought so.

P.S
countless Writers ignore continuity.


No body defended Hudlin's Cap vs. Panther scene because he knowingly destroyed a much better story. Honestly, who would defend that?

[Iron Maiden]

Dude, the Hudlin hate is getting old. Get over it, or don't post about the guy. If you don't like his work, don't post in threats about BP. We ALL KNOW you don't like him... we get it.

Still, as others were saying, there is not excuse for the idiotic double-standard and moronic nonsense about T'challa beating a white villian, when about 90 or more % are white in MU. Where all the main villians, the legacy villians are white, and when a writer MAKES THE HERO BEAT HIM you have stuipid fanbrats complaining. That is mornic... T'challa is a hero, if he beats a villian it should not matter what color they are...and the fact is most of them *are* white. It should not matter that he is black...it should not matter that he is white...sadly to a lot of folks it does. But they will never state it because they are cowards.

To me that is DUMB as hell, and is actually more racist then anything Huldin has done.

Don't make assumptions about anyone. I happen to hate it when any hero beats Doom :evilsmile:

What I don't like, and it would apply to any hero, is when one that is obviously overmatched goes up against Doom just to get instant credibility. Like Squirrel Girl. Stop trying to look for racism in things when it's not there. At least not in my post.

What annoys long time Marvel readers about a writer like Hudlin (and he is not the only one that has been guilty of this), is the lack of research into a character's past. Painting Doom as a generic racist white villain would be inaccurate, for example, since as a couple of us have pointed out that he is not Caucasian. I get just as annoyed when writers forget that Doom and the Red Skull despise each other and have them form alliances (an exception is that in "Captain America", Doom didn't know that Lukin is sharing his body with the Red Skull) without any mention that the Skull regards Von Doom as a member of a "mongrel race" as he once put it.

To anwer another question... It wouldn't surprise me if Wakanda as a nation beats Latveria. Doom does not keep a very large standing human army (even though we did see one in "Books of Doom). I don't know which would have the advantage in weaponry since Reed's actions in Latveria in "Authoritative Action". But prior to that, when Doom came back to Earth from the Franklinverse, the Pentagon estimated he could conquer the planet in less than a week with the Hammer of God missiles that traveled at near light speed.

[Dagger]

ZOMG! That art makes me wanna pick this up now! I may have to pick this up, but lord help me, if this sucks, I'm gonna be pi$$ed off.

[Beast]

Just be thankful Iron Maiden. At least he didn't have T'Challa put Doom in an Arm Bar.

[Umbra]

Don't make assumptions about anyone. I happen to hate it when any hero beats Doom :evilsmile:

What I don't like, and it would apply to any hero, is when one that is obviously overmatched goes up against Doom just to get instead credibility. Like Squirrel Girl. Stop trying to look for racism in things when it's not there. At least not in my post.

What annoys long time Marvel readers about a writer like Hudlin (and he is not the only one that has been guilty of this), is the lack of research into a character's past. Painting Doom as a generic racist white villain would be inaccurate, for example, since as a couple of us have pointed out that he is not Caucasian.

To anwer another question... It wouldn't surprise me if Wakanda as a nation beats Latveria. Doom does not keep a very large standing human army (even though we did see one in "Books of Doom). I don't know which would have the advantage in weaponry since Reed's actions in Latveria in "Authoritative Action". But prior to that, when Doom came back to Earth from the Franklinverse, the Pentagon estimated he could conquer the planet in less than a week with the Hammer of God missiles that traveled at near light speed.

actually, I never said a thing about your post being racist, I was debating Cool. There was nothing racist at all about any post in this thread. I was just saying that if you hate Hudlin then ignore threads where he is going to come up. Folks are sick of the same excuses and post about him. I happend to agree with a number of points from Cool, and some that you point out in your post.

But maybe the dude (RH) has learned his lesson, and is more focused and will put out a good product. We will see...

I don't think that Doom over matches T'challa. I see them as peers and on par with each other. Doom happends to be my favorite villian. My point is this, T'challa is not different the Wolverine (another favorite of mine) who gets to go around beating everyones ass...

P.S
A war between the two would make both Africa and Europe look like Fallout 3.

[Iron Maiden]

Yeah, I guess I should be happy for small blessings. :biggrin:

[marvell2100]

Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.

Sidekick? Not likely. Storm's getting more spotlight in BP than she was getting in the X-books and she isn't taking a backseat to anybody.

[Umbra]

Sidekick? Not likely. Storm's getting more spotlight in BP than she was getting in the X-books and she isn't taking a backseat to anybody.

Pretty much, not to mention all the mini's she has had as a result, and the fact that she may even take up the Panther garb and be the star of the title alone, while T'challa is hurt.

I LOVE the fact that she is a Queen, and married to T'challa.

[marvell2100]

Pretty much, not to mention all the mini's she has had as a result, and the fact that she may even take up the Panther garb and be the star of the title alone, while T'challa is hurt.

I LOVE the fact that she is a Queen, and married to T'challa.

Indeed. Her being in BP has been a boon for both her and T'Challa. People are taking another look at her and finally seeing that she is a viable character either on her own or in a group setting.

It's funny that it was ok for her to stand behind other characters in the mutant books but she's seen as second fiddle in another because she got married? That doesn't make any sense. Storm's popularity has been steadily on the rise. Whether anyone likes Hudlin or not, they would have to admit he infused renewed interest in Storm.

[BBeeryan]

Indeed. Her being in BP has been a boon for both her and T'Challa. People are taking another look at her and finally seeing that she is a viable character either on her own or in a group setting.

It's funny that it was ok for her to stand behind other characters in the mutant books but she's seen as second fiddle in another because she got married? That doesn't make any sense. Storm's popularity has been steadily on the rise. Whether anyone likes Hudlin or not, they would have to admit he infused renewed interest in Storm.

That's exactly what was going through my mind, just now.

She can stand behind, Cyke, Logan, Jean, and even Xavier. But everyone is so up in arms cause she stands behind her HUSBAND?!:confused:

I just don't get anyones position on that. I tried to understand, but that much imagination is beyond my grasp.:rolleyes:

[akumasan]

1. And because he accused Priest fans of being like those "white people who keep saying the South will rise again"

2. and his constant use of outdated political stereotypes.

He may not be racist, but he sure loves to hide behind it.
1. When/Where did he accused Priest fans?

2. But at the same time the entire comic industry as a whole does the same political stereotypes of the "evils of government" so what.



What annoys long time Marvel readers about a writer like Hudlin (and he is not the only one that has been guilty of this), is the lack of research into a character's past. Painting Doom as a generic racist white villain would be inaccurate, for example, since as a couple of us have pointed out that he is not Caucasian.Not this one again.
I love Doom just as much as the next guy but you are aware that there are many different cultures and colors in the continent of Africa. You must be discussing the line where Doom stated a comment about "Africans being inferior". Nevermind the fact that Doom is very arrogant and thinks everyone is inferior other than Latveria but hey i guess it must be racist.


Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.Yeah. Where one of the X-men litterally screwed her way to the top to become a leader and Storm isnt running her own team anymore who knew.

[The Cool Thatguy]

1. When/Where did he accused Priest fans?

2. But at the same time the entire comic industry as a whole does the same political stereotypes of the "evils of government" so what.


1. At comicboards and on his first board around the first arc. He got off on the wrong foot early.

2. True, but not all stories hinged their symbolism on political institutions long dead. Radioactive Man was meant to represent the USSR, for instance.

And they don't mix their politics so badly. He used Iraq War symbolism liberally (pun intended), but also heavily referenced the Catholic Church and French government. The error there is obvious.

[RolandJP]

im all for a new black panther but only so storm can go back to the xmen, where she belongs

can anyone tell Storm where she belongs?? becareful she can hurl a lightning bolt at you from thousands of miles away.



Yeah. Going from one of the leaders of the X-Men to Black Panther's sidekick is a real step up.

And whos fault is that?? Not the characters...Ahem attention creative staff..That being said, the union would have been perfect if more quality control was exhibited in its execution.

[Umbra]

1. When/Where did he accused Priest fans?

2. But at the same time the entire comic industry as a whole does the same political stereotypes of the "evils of government" so what.

Not this one again.
I love Doom just as much as the next guy but you are aware that there are many different cultures and colors in the continent of Africa. You must be discussing the line where Doom stated a comment about "Africans being inferior". Nevermind the fact that Doom is very arrogant and thinks everyone is inferior other than Latveria but hey i guess it must be racist.

Yeah. Where one of the X-men litterally screwed her way to the top to become a leader and Storm isnt running her own team anymore who knew.

Actually that whole excuse is B.S.

Astonishing Tales # 6-7: Dr. Doom is shown having the same views as RH stated in that comic... and he DOES think of them as savages and inferior.

So why is it that RH is a racist when he is following what was in place before him?

Wow, a thread where I am defending RH. I guess I can't take the silly double standards anymore.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Actually that whole excuse is B.S.

Astonishing Tales # 6-7: Dr. Doom is shown having the same views as RH stated in that comic... and he DOES think of them as savages and inferior.

So why is it that RH is a racist when he is following what was in place before him?

Wow, a thread where I am defending RH. I guess I can't take the silly double standards anymore.

You're citing a single line from a book over thirty years old. And neglecting a more recent book where Doom casually abolished Apartheid.

And given how you laud Hudlin for not keeping to Panther's lousy past depictions (something that sans Priest and Kurt Busiek, I largely agree on), that's something of a double standard on your part.

Me, I hate it because it was typical of Hudlin's work. Lazy, shallow writing done to make Panther look better. I love how people just gloss over the Keebler remark too.

[Umbra]

You're citing a single line from a book over thirty years old. And neglecting a more recent book where Doom casually abolished Apartheid.

And given how you laud Hudlin for not keeping to Panther's lousy past depictions (something that sans Priest and Kurt Busiek, I largely agree on), that's something of a double standard on your part.

Me, I hate it because it was typical of Hudlin's work. Lazy, shallow writing done to make Panther look better. I love how people just gloss over the Keebler remark too.

Whatever. I'm pointing out facts, unless you want to call Stan Lee a racist? If not then be quite, because you aren't making sense.

Doom thinks everyone is inferior other than Latverians. I know those facts aren't conveinant and ignore things to fit your agenda. I pretty much makes it usless... I pointed out something from all white writers, including Stan Lee the creator of Dr. Doom...so unless you want to call him racist, move on.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Whatever. I'm pointing out facts, unless you want to call Stan Lee a racist? If not then be quite, because you aren't making sense.

Doom thinks everyone is inferior other than Latverians. I know those facts aren't conveinant and ignore things to fit your agenda. I pretty much makes it usless... I pointed out something from all white writers, including Stan Lee the creator of Dr. Doom...so unless you want to call him racist, move on.

Stan Lee had a bunch of WASPS representing the African American civil rights movement. And ye Gods, you could likely fill a house with all the sexist comments that were casually thrown at Wasp and Inisible Girl.

So yeah, nice way to try to hide behind Stan Lee, but that ain't working.

Doom's attitude is that he is superior to everyone. That's been pretty consistant. Clutching to a single line from over three decades ago isn't clutching at straws, it's clutching at thin air.

[Umbra]

Stan Lee had a bunch of WASPS representing the African American civil rights movement. And ye Gods, you could likely fill a house with all the sexist comments that were casually thrown at Wasp and Inisible Girl.

So yeah, nice way to try to hide behind Stan Lee, but that ain't working.

Doom's attitude is that he is superior to everyone. That's been pretty consistant. Clutching to a single line from over three decades ago isn't clutching at straws, it's clutching at thin air.

Dude, it happend. I just pointed it out... how can you call one writer racist, and not the others. That is a double standard. Period... 3 decades or not... fact is it happend.

Just because a writer showed something like that does not make them racist. It didn't 3 decades ago, and it doesn't now.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Dude, it happend. I just pointed it out... how can you call one writer racist, and not the others. That is a double standard. Period... 3 decades or not... fact is it happend.

Just because a writer showed something like that does not make them racist. It didn't 3 decades ago, and it doesn't now.

Heh, citing the Silver Age as if it were politically correct. That's gotta be a new one ;)

[Umbra]

Heh, citing the Silver Age as if it were politically correct. That's gotta be a new one ;)

Why does it have to be politically correct.

I also sited him beating the FF. That happend... geez dude, facts are facts...

Oh, I get it...it doesn't fit your agenda. Sorry.

[StoneGold]

Whatever. I'm pointing out facts, unless you want to call Stan Lee a racist? If not then be quite, because you aren't making sense.

Doom thinks everyone is inferior other than Latverians. I know those facts aren't conveinant and ignore things to fit your agenda. I pretty much makes it usless... I pointed out something from all white writers, including Stan Lee the creator of Dr. Doom...so unless you want to call him racist, move on.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he thinks most Latverians are inferior.


Personally, I'm chalking it up to faulty Doombot. When in doubt, faulty Doombot.









Because Doom's too racist to meet with T'Challa in the first place...

[da gooch]

sigh


The horse is dead, must every black panther thread turn into a how much some hate hudlin?

Damn can't we just read and discuss the book?


Personally I feel the biggest issue with the last series was the fact that each arc had a different artist. That was the killer.

I hope with this book, we can have the same artist for more than 6 issues.

Can't wait to see what happens during dark reign that cause T'challa to catch the L from whom ever it may be.

[Umbra]

sigh


The horse is dead, must every black panther thread turn into a how much some hate hudlin?

Damn can't we just read and discuss the book?


Personally I feel the biggest issue with the last series was the fact that each arc had a different artist. That was the killer.

I hope with this book, we can have the same artist for more than 6 issues.

Can't wait to see what happens during dark reign that cause T'challa to catch the L from whom ever it may be.

That what I was saying. The hate is crazy, and why it really needs to stop. It's getting lame.

Ken Lashley is a fan of Black Panther. He loves the character...so maybe he will stay on the help build. I like the dude art. He seems like he is ready to step up, and is on the 3rd issue.

[jarrod]

Sidekick? Not likely. Storm's getting more spotlight in BP than she was getting in the X-books and she isn't taking a backseat to anybody.
Eh... not really. Pre-marriage she was leading her own team of X-Men, running the X.S.E., directly rivaling Xavier/Scott/Emma/etc and was the apple of Claremont's eye.

Really, it's only since the marriage (and Claremont's coincidental dismissal, he also being a vocal opponent of the marriage) we've seen her neglected in the Xbooks, not before.

[Beast]

Eh... not really. Pre-marriage she was leading her own team of X-Men, running the X.S.E., directly rivaling Xavier/Scott/Emma/etc and was the apple of Claremont's eye.

Really, it's only since the marriage (and Claremont's coincidental dismissal, he also being a vocal opponent of the marriage) we've seen her neglected in the Xbooks, not before.
I don't think he was a vocal opponent.

Outside of how it was so badly handled by editorial and Huddy and hurt Storm's character.

After all, he wrote the script for the Annual that was the lead up to the marriage.

[jarrod]

I don't think he was a vocal opponent.

Outside of how it was so badly handled by editorial and Huddy and hurt Storm's character.

After all, he wrote the script for the Annual that was the lead up to the marriage.
Well, vocal probably wasn't the right adjective... but CC understands why Storm marrying anyone is an inherently bad idea.

[Dora Milaje]

I didn't say racism is outdated. I'm noyt that naive. I was referring to his political stereotypes in the first arc. They're outdated by decades and Black Knight by a century at least.

How many years ago was the first arc again?

I think this is going to be my last Hudlin ride. I was all for the wedding and I love the Royal Couple, but I've been waiting for this marriage to take off, and it hasn't. Now we're getting another Panther, and she's a woman - which isn't a big deal, just a stupid one. I don't want another Panther. I've vested time and money on this Panther, and this Panther is the Panther I'm interested in. Even if the new BP is Storm, who cares? We've never even see Storm as the queen of Wakanda, so why should I care if she's the BP of Wakanda? So who's left? Shuri (who cares?), the Dora Milaje (who?), Photon (unlikely), Ramonda, the Queen Mother (even more unlikely)...I mean, it could be Jean Grey under that mask and I would not care at all. All I want from this re-reboot is for it to be over so we can FINALLY get back to T'Challa and Ororo, if ever.

Since the wedding, I feel like I've been on a train that goes about 40 MPH. It's great for scenery, but DAMN, are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? I can't take this any more. It's not like it's been a slow ride because they've been fleshing out the characters or the relationship - it's been a slow ride because the RC had to be in every crossover, every major event, and every book just to keep the sales alive (as if BP has EVER been a best seller). I feel like I'm being jerked around. I like Hudlin and I like the book and I LOVE the Couple, but I can't be bothered with this much longer.

[The Cool Thatguy]

How many years ago was the first arc again?

Been a while. But he just finished the Cannibal subplot within the last year. Plus, his general ignorance and poor writing has shown no signs of abating, so it's still fair game.

[Expletive Deleted]

Please talk about comics, not each other.

Thanks.

[Expletive Deleted]

Okay, what did I just say?

On a related note, I'd like to encourage you all to take advantage of the Ignore function. If you think someone is acting like a broken record, just put them on ignore.

[marvell2100]

Eh... not really. Pre-marriage she was leading her own team of X-Men, running the X.S.E., directly rivaling Xavier/Scott/Emma/etc and was the apple of Claremont's eye.

Really, it's only since the marriage (and Claremont's coincidental dismissal, he also being a vocal opponent of the marriage) we've seen her neglected in the Xbooks, not before.

Storm hasn't been a relevent factor in the mutant world since X-Treme. Who's she been leading since then? Popping up every now and then isn't being relevant. She was being neglected pre-marriage so that more attention could be given to the Scott/Emma relationship. And it hasn't just been Storm who's been neglected. Kurt, Peter, Warren, Booby, Hank, Rogue, Kitty, and others have taken a backseat to the big three of Scott/Emma/Logan. Storm hasn't gotten this kind of attention since X-treme.

[Umbra]

Storm hasn't been a relevent factor in the mutant world since X-Treme. Who's she been leading since then? Popping up every now and then isn't being relevant. She was being neglected pre-marriage so that more attention could be given to the Scott/Emma relationship. And it hasn't just been Storm who's been neglected. Kurt, Peter, Warren, Booby, Hank, Rogue, Kitty, and others have taken a backseat to the big three of Scott/Emma/Logan. Storm hasn't gotten this kind of attention since X-treme.

She can still have a X-Treme like team as Queen of Wakanda. I would like to see that as a back drop. And if her mini does good, then maybe Marvel will like Yost write a Storm regular, with a team as the supporting cast and T'challa as a support character.

[marvell2100]

She can still have a X-Treme like team as Queen of Wakanda. I would like to see that as a back drop. And if her mini does good, then maybe Marvel will like Yost write a Storm regular, with a team as the supporting cast and T'challa as a support character.

That would be cool. Nehzno, QDJ and Vibraxis(is he still around?) would be a good start to the team.

[jarrod]

Storm hasn't been a relevent factor in the mutant world since X-Treme. Who's she been leading since then? Popping up every now and then isn't being relevant. She was being neglected pre-marriage so that more attention could be given to the Scott/Emma relationship. And it hasn't just been Storm who's been neglected. Kurt, Peter, Warren, Booby, Hank, Rogue, Kitty, and others have taken a backseat to the big three of Scott/Emma/Logan. Storm hasn't gotten this kind of attention since X-treme.
Uh, she was heading the X.S.E. for Uncanny Reload and generally treated as being on par with Scott and Emma in terms of rank. Hell, she had authority over her own X-Men, which is something she hasn't has since.

It literally wasn't until the marriage was concocted and needed to be seeded (starting with that LOLBAD Milligan/BP x-over) that she started going mia... Storm's relevance in the X-Men wasn't ebbing on it's own, the marriage is exactly what killed it. And honestly, she's only started recovering from that.

[jarrod]

She can still have a X-Treme like team as Queen of Wakanda. I would like to see that as a back drop. And if her mini does good, then maybe Marvel will like Yost write a Storm regular, with a team as the supporting cast and T'challa as a support character.
Well, Marvel's been hinting at a "new schism" within the X-Men... I wouldn't mind seeing Ororo and Hank leading the resistance and relocating to Wakanda.

[marvell2100]

Uh, she was heading the X.S.E. for Uncanny Reload and generally treated as being on par with Scott and Emma in terms of rank. Hell, she had authority over her own X-Men, which is something she hasn't has since.

It literally wasn't until the marriage was concocted and needed to be seeded (starting with that LOLBAD Milligan/BP x-over) that she started going mia... Storm's relevance in the X-Men wasn't ebbing on it's own, the marriage is exactly what killed it. And honestly, she's only started recovering from that.

She gave up leading the X-men so that she could help lead an entire nation. A very powerful nation. Big step up. Bigger gig for her.

[Umbra]

Well, Marvel's been hinting at a "new schism" within the X-Men... I wouldn't mind seeing Ororo and Hank leading the resistance and relocating to Wakanda.

That really needs to happened. I mean, all sides would benefit from something like this.

I really like the symbolism of T’challa and Ororo. The Human and Mutant theme and them being husband and wife of one of the most powerful nations, is and should be a very powerful statement for what Xavier’s dream was about.

It should be seen by mutants in that context. It should also give Wakanda more enemies, with anti-mutant factions, forces and political groups now see T’challa and Wakanda as the enemy. It should also cause tension in Wakanda from the conservative ideologues vs the more liberal ideologues who support the King and Queen.

[Umbra]

She gave up leading the X-men so that she could help lead an entire nation. A very powerful nation. Big step up. Bigger gig for her.

I would like to see Storm become very political, using her position and power as Queen of Wakanda in tandem with her mutant ideologies would be a good read.

[BBeeryan]

I would like to see Storm become very political, using her position and power as Queen of Wakanda in tandem with her mutant ideologies would be a good read.

This might be what Hudlin has in mind for the new Black Panther. I'm keepin my fingers crossed.

[Umbra]

Well, first you need to have a Storm regular with guys from the X office (like C & C) or at least RH working together with them clostly to fit it in the story line.

I want to see the schism in the X-men
With Storm leading one side and Cyke and Emma leading the other.

[marvell2100]

I would like to see Storm become very political, using her position and power as Queen of Wakanda in tandem with her mutant ideologies would be a good read.


This might be what Hudlin has in mind for the new Black Panther. I'm keepin my fingers crossed.

Which is a very logical step for her to make. You can't make a case for mutant rights by becoming seperationists or thru isolation. Storm can bring forth human and mutant rights on a greater stage as a world leader. Power can come in all forms and with her head-of-nation status, she has gained as much political power to relatively rival her own natural powers.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Which is a very logical step for her to make. You can't make a case for mutant rights by becoming seperationists or thru isolation. Storm can bring forth human and mutant rights on a greater stage as a world leader. Power can come in all forms and with her head-of-nation status, she has gained as much political power to relatively rival her own natural powers.

Not that mutant rights are that much of an issue, with so few of them. Damn Bendis...

[marvell2100]

Not that mutant rights are that much of an issue, with so few of them. Damn Bendis...

Well hopefully that situation will be rectified and when it does happen, some of these mutants will need a safe haven.

[akumasan]

Actually that whole excuse is B.S.

Astonishing Tales # 6-7: Dr. Doom is shown having the same views as RH stated in that comic... and he DOES think of them as savages and inferior.

So why is it that RH is a racist when he is following what was in place before him?

Wow, a thread where I am defending RH. I guess I can't take the silly double standards anymore.
As a new comic reader that is all I see with the same rehash of the "corrupt government" and where the heroes cant do anything about it.

Heh, citing the Silver Age as if it were politically correct. That's gotta be a new one ;)
Whoa there cowboy isnt the Silver Age apart of the continuity cycle? Maybe i missed the memo where it wasnt supposed to be.


That really needs to happened. I mean, all sides would benefit from something like this.

I really like the symbolism of T’challa and Ororo. The Human and Mutant theme and them being husband and wife of one of the most powerful nations, is and should be a very powerful statement for what Xavier’s dream was about.

It should be seen by mutants in that context. It should also give Wakanda more enemies, with anti-mutant factions, forces and political groups now see T’challa and Wakanda as the enemy. It should also cause tension in Wakanda from the conservative ideologues vs the more liberal ideologues who support the King and Queen.
That would be interesting to see the current villians of X-force going after storm in Wakanda.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Whoa there cowboy isnt the Silver Age apart of the continuity cycle? Maybe i missed the memo where it wasnt supposed to be.


Well, when was the last time you heard writers bring up the fact that the USSR used to send Soviet agents into the United States every other week?:biggrin:

[marvell2100]

That would be interesting to see the current villians of X-force going after storm in Wakanda.

That's cool how you phrased that. I like it.

[Umbra]

That's cool how you phrased that. I like it.

Lol..

You know what, that would be cool.

Wolverine vs T'challa?

[akumasan]

Lol..

You know what, that would be cool.

Wolverine vs T'challa?
This is what im talking about below

The team's first mission has them investigating the theft of Bastion's cyborg head from a S.H.I.E.L.D. base. The trail leads back to the Purifiers who have reactivated Bastion to help in their holy war against mutantkind. Bastion revived several X-Men villains, some were still alive (like Donald Pierce and Leaper Queen), some he brought back from the dead, like Cameron Hodge, Bolivar Trask and Graydon Creed by infecting them with the Technarch transmode virus.


Well, when was the last time you heard writers bring up the fact that the USSR used to send Soviet agents into the United States every other week?I have no idea but I wouldnt be surprised if Brubaker did this in Captain America.

To add alot of writers bring up instances of what happened to that character in the silver age. Like I dont know the Death of Gwen Stacy. Matter of fact the Fallen Son trade brings it up.

[BBeeryan]

Did anyone see the Dark Reign solicits? Is it me, or did they change the color of the new Black Panther's eyes?

[Yogaflame]

Well, Marvel's been hinting at a "new schism" within the X-Men... I wouldn't mind seeing Ororo and Hank leading the resistance and relocating to Wakanda.


That would put us right back to "Earth X", where we first saw a Storm/BP pairing. I say thee Yay!

[The Cool Thatguy]

I have no idea but I wouldnt be surprised if Brubaker did this in Captain America.

To add alot of writers bring up instances of what happened to that character in the silver age. Like I dont know the Death of Gwen Stacy. Matter of fact the Fallen Son trade brings it up.

Nope. Brubaker made a point to show, actually, how Bucky was held in suspended animation, explaining how he isn't an old man.

The point you keep missing, deliberately I think, is that while the Silver Age is in fact canon, most of the then socially acceptable attitudes that are not now, are not.

You'll never see a writer reference any of the sexist comments and only a few even dare try to explain away the racism (like Hal's friend 'Pieface').

[akumasan]

Nope. Brubaker made a point to show, actually, how Bucky was held in suspended animation, explaining how he isn't an old man.

The point you keep missing, deliberately I think, is that while the Silver Age is in fact canon, most of the then socially acceptable attitudes that are not now, are not.

You'll never see a writer reference any of the sexist comments and only a few even dare try to explain away the racism (like Hal's friend 'Pieface').

I guessed Brubaker since I just read the death of captain america TPB when Bucky just became CA.

I see where you are going with the silver age thing.

[DavidMunroe]

Let me just say I am very excited about this! I love the art! Now remember I am not replying to anyone because I respect your opinions and you can choose or not choose to respect mine.

As for the issue of Black Panther #1 let me say this…
I have to start by admitting something; the wedding publicity stunt worked with me lol. I am a huge Storm fan ever since I would read my brothers comics when I was in 4th grade, I just turned 30 (I am going to say that till I hit 32) anyway I missed Storm from the Marvel pages and yet would always be glad to see her when I did but I kind of felt that they faded her a lil … anyway so I attended the wedding and started buying BP and I really became a fan. I think BP had one of, if not my favorite SI story arch. I am irked at the renumbering but that could be about something. I don’t get it. I hope we get T’Challa in flashback throughout a few story arch’s.
Now who is the new BP? For me I would want, cause as I confessed early on a huge Storm fan! So, I would like it to be Storm. Just cause she is my favorite and is the only other plausible person to continue continuity. It is loosely backed because she is the Queen of Wakanda, Leader of the most powerful Nation. It doesn’t make sense however cause if she wouldn’t be able to become the BP for one, and only one reason… the BP has to pass that ritual which includes eating that roots or something, I forget. Well that thing is poisonous to all except for the BP blood line and if Storm would survive it that means she is a mutant that bends the weather at will, can..Hasn’t grrrr but has the potential to wield magik and Being all Black Panthery at the same time lol…yeah right! So bring in the sister for awhile and let Storm go to the X-Men to help find who did this to her beloved and also would let people crave (someone said it before and I liked it) T’Challa! It would also be cool to see an all Wakanden girl group Queen Ororo, Black Panther, Dora Milaje in a BP story line. So it all comes down to letting something unfold in front of me for a bit before I make any judgments of what will be the story. I am very hopeful and excited of who maybe the BP, I already have my feeling but we will see...and can we get this attack on BP to drive Storm to Mohawk her hair again and dress more like the Dora Milaje, after all this could drive Storm to declare war on Latveria..A Nation at war just in time for Dark Reign! Storm can dress all badass wakandian warrior like!
Now with some of the many post about racist stuff I am guessing this is discussed on other topics on other boards… well my opinion is, I believe there are people who don’t buy BP not because he is a black character but maybe because he is an African character set in Africa and it’s the cultural “difference”… I read people’s thoughts on here and its cool but then I think, well then why do I think the story is good and I love the character how he thinks, the political thriller stuff tied to BP… during SI story arch it had great warfare storytelling, it was in your face. It was exciting to read and suspenseful. I don’t think people give it a chance because they think they wouldn’t understand it. I think people should give it a chance and more than one issue people lol Just one last thing to the Negative Nancy posters. I don’t get why when people don’t like something, instead of spending the energy to post something good on a board about something you like you come in and trash things that others are enjoying and excited about. lol... ok rant, over… oh not it’s not..
Plug: X-Men: Worlds Apart! Love how Yost wrote Storm! Has anyone read it? New to this comic board so is there a board like this about that title?