Rolling Stone : Time to Call It a Day !

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its an interesting time for music at the moment. This week alone has seen "The Killers" , "Dave Cook" , "Beyonce" , "Kanye West" and Guns n Roses deliver albums. In the case of Guns n Roses it would be a hell of a feat and something no one would believe.

Surely with all this happening.... Rolling Stone is feeling the pulse of the nation and world. Surely we will see a split cover perhaps with in depth articles detailing the worldwide battle "The Killers" and "Guns n Roses" are having now.

You would be mistaken. Ohh yes none of those artists appear in the fucking magazine cover. No one who is effecting music at this very second. Nope..... Britney Spears hair and physical body is more intersting to Rolling Stone. She graces the cover as hype for "Circus" due next week is out.

See this has gotta be the greatest disconect in music currently. The scene is being dominated by the following artists ....a band delivers an album that no one felt would be delivered....and the magazine that covers music is.... covering whether some fucking person who lost her mind grew her hair out ! Wow....

Theres a reason MTV and Rolling Stone are sinking down....down....down. They lost the pulse of today . They aren't on the scene anymore and have lost their damn minds . Stuck in some era where tits and ass can sell some magazines and grabs some ratings points.

But its dying....MTV's crowd has grew up and don't want the tits and ass , spoiled bitch programming. Rolling Stones readers got sick of not covering the music they wanted to hear instead of dedicating a 10 page spread to Justin Timberlake to see his house he bought.

So fuck them. Rolling Stone you can do stories on Britney's hair and look and be the new fucking Maxim now. You had your chance to cover this moment in History in 2008 with all these bands releasing quality fucking albums and you shot it to hell.

Go fuck yourself Rolling Stone....and take MTV with you !

[Buried Alien]

I like to remember them the way they were...

http://www.lawrence.edu/library/images/rollingstone1191967.jpg


http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060728/113036__mtv_l.jpg

Once upon a long time ago...

I still remember.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[bfrank]

Brit Brit will probably have the best numbers out of all the acts you've listed....Then who will your problem be with......

[twilight]

I applaud Rolling Stone for not giving a shit about G'n'R.

-Twi

[Crowforge]

I applaud Rolling Stone for not giving a shit about G'n'R.

-Twi
Hahahahaahahaahahaha

[leonaozaki]

http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/139/831/images/22531_lg.jpg

In retrospect this was probably the beginning of the end, way back in 1971.

rob

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I like to remember them the way they were...

http://www.lawrence.edu/library/images/rollingstone1191967.jpg


http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/060728/113036__mtv_l.jpg

Once upon a long time ago...

I still remember.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Nice covers....

Brit Brit will probably have the best numbers out of all the acts you've listed....Then who will your problem be with......

Hey maybe they'll discuss Britney fashion and you'll be happy ! I hear she has some awesome hair and all...

I applaud Rolling Stone for not giving a shit about G'n'R.

-Twi

To be honest I mentioned more than Guns n Roses. Keep applauding the bullshit ....Max-...I mean Rolling Stone will peddle it to you.

http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/139/831/images/22531_lg.jpg

In retrospect this was probably the beginning of the end, way back in 1971.

rob

Hmmm I've heard the Magazine started its nosedive with the Carpenters in the late 70's. And someone mentioned the lack of Punk Rock being covered in the G'n'R thread.

[twilight]

To be honest I mentioned more than Guns n Roses. Keep applauding the bullshit ....Max-...I mean Rolling Stone will peddle it to you.

Yeah right.
Like I read modern Rolling Stone or buy magazine because they feature scantily clad ladies.
(Just a heads up,the internet does music news and aforementioned ladies much faster)

But seriously what is your point?
Rolling Stone should manufacture a record war everytime two artists release an album at approximately the same time?

None of the artists you nominate for inclusion are "affecting the world" anymore than Britney Spears is and I don't even like her.

The problem here is that Rolling Stone hasn't rolled (heh) with the times not what they choose to put in or keep out of their publication.
With the rise of the internet news and gossip is coming out faster than can be adaquetly delivered by a monthly magazine.

Hell Rolling Stone probably thought G'n'R would not deliver once more and gave the cover to an "artist" who released new material a little more than a year ago and has more stuff on the way in a matter of weeks.

-Twi

[Adam C]

Its an interesting time for music at the moment. This week alone has seen "The Killers" , "Dave Cook" , "Beyonce" , "Kanye West" and Guns n Roses deliver albums. In the case of Guns n Roses it would be a hell of a feat and something no one would believe.

Surely with all this happening.... Rolling Stone is feeling the pulse of the nation and world. Surely we will see a split cover perhaps with in depth articles detailing the worldwide battle "The Killers" and "Guns n Roses" are having now.

The Killers and the Axl Rose Salsa Orchestra are having a battle? Did Brandon Flowers declare War on Axl Rose or vice versa? Will they have a rock off? And why isn't this in the Guns'n'Roses thread?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yeah right.
Like I read modern Rolling Stone or buy magazine because they feature scantily clad ladies.
(Just a heads up,the internet does music news and aforementioned ladies much faster)

But seriously what is your point?
Rolling Stone should manufacture a record war everytime two artists release an album at approximately the same time?

None of the artists you nominate for inclusion are "affecting the world" anymore than Britney Spears is and I don't even like her.

The problem here is that Rolling Stone hasn't rolled (heh) with the times not what they choose to put in or keep out of their publication.
With the rise of the internet news and gossip is coming out faster than can be adaquetly delivered by a monthly magazine.

Hell Rolling Stone probably thought G'n'R would not deliver once more and gave the cover to an "artist" who released new material a little more than a year ago and has more stuff on the way in a matter of weeks.

-Twi \

I guess some of us expecting a music magazine to discuss the current albums out that week shouldn't have expected it.

The Killers and the Axl Rose Salsa Orchestra are having a battle? Did Brandon Flowers declare War on Axl Rose or vice versa? Will they have a rock off? And why isn't this in the Guns'n'Roses thread?

Because it deals with more than Guns N Roses and discusses the fact that a ton of artists released albums and most see GUNS N ROSES and jumping all over their asses to come in , blast that and not reading that a bunch of artists have released albums in the last week ...that is being discussed......and it gets no coverage at all from a music publication.

I mean "supposedly music publication". I feel sorry for Kanye West though...the man has said he speaks to this Generation and yet Rolling Stone gave him the finger.

[Adam C]

Because it deals with more than Guns N Roses and discusses the fact that a ton of artists released albums and most see GUNS N ROSES and jumping all over their asses to come in , blast that and not reading that a bunch of artists have released albums in the last week ...that is being discussed......and it gets no coverage at all from a music publication.

Yet it you argument keeps coming back to Guns'n'Roses and how the magazine seemingly snubbed them. Rolling Stones has already reviewed the album like everyone other publication. Likewise they have nothing to report since it's only been out for four days (we don't even have chart numbers yet save for the singles) and the band members have not been giving interviews. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Rolling Stone, but this isn't one of them.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Yet it you argument keeps coming back to Guns'n'Roses and how the magazine seemingly snubbed them. Rolling Stones has already reviewed the album like everyone other publication. Likewise they have nothing to report since it's only been out for four days (we don't even have chart numbers yet save for the singles) and the band members have not been giving interviews. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Rolling Stone, but this isn't one of them.

Then why is The Killers , Kanye West , and every act that released an album in the last week snubbed ? Tell me this ?

And the band won't do interviews (the album done got a review so who cares ) . There should be coverage of whats out there now. Not wether a female singer has came back from her nervous breakdown and regrew her hair out.

Its wild that the Killers don't even get a little respect from the Magazine. After releasing a pretty damn good CD. Or hell....even Kanye . And I'm no fan of Kanye West ...

[Darrell D.]

Then why is The Killers , Kanye West , and every act that released an album in the last week snubbed ? Tell me this ?

And the band won't do interviews (the album done got a review so who cares ) . There should be coverage of whats out there now. Not wether a female singer has came back from her nervous breakdown and regrew her hair out.

Its wild that the Killers don't even get a little respect from the Magazine. After releasing a pretty damn good CD. Or hell....even Kanye . And I'm no fan of Kanye West ...

RS hasn't been relevant since the mid-70's and I'm being generous here.
I had a sub to the mag in the 80's and I always noticed that they would put the most 'hot' thing on the cover for no reason (Lisa Bonet, anyone?) and would praise the most pretentious music while dissing the hungry, hard rock acts that were coming up. The exceptions seemed to be Metallica and G'n'R.
The magazine ignoring Kayne, the new G'n'R and The Killers in favor of a Britney cover really seems to be SOP for the magazine. I really wouldn't get too upset about it.

[howyadoin]

I always noticed that they would put the most 'hot' thing on the cover for no reason (Lisa Bonet, anyone?).That was the cover of one of the "Hot" issues, if I remember correctly. Wouldn't it make sense to put the hot thing on the cover of the hot issue?

[Adam C]

I had a sub to the mag in the 80's and I always noticed that they would put the most 'hot' thing on the cover for no reason (Lisa Bonet, anyone?) and would praise the most pretentious music while dissing the hungry, hard rock acts that were coming up. The exceptions seemed to be Metallica and G'n'R.

Interesting. Which acts were those that they favoured in lieu of the hard rock acts?

[Spike-X]

That was the cover of one of the "Hot" issues, if I remember correctly. Wouldn't it make sense to put the hot thing on the cover of the hot issue?
That's how I remember it, too.

I used to have that issue.

Oh yes, I did.

[J. Robb]

I've always found "music journalism" to be overrated anyways. Reviews are hit and miss at best, and musical taste is so personal that someone else's opinion is largely irrelevant.

I used to read CMJ in the 90s, and one thing I did like was the "recommended if you like" section of reviews, which gave you an idea of the sound by comparing it to other artists. That's all the information reviews really need, I don't want to read ridiculous pieces comparing Beck to each of the Sweathogs (a particularly bad Spin review that still haunts me.)

Magazines used to seem important because they used to be, for the millions who live outside of the major media centers, the only connection to the latest "scene". Today we're all connected through the internet, we can go directly to the music ourselves, we no longer need the middle man.

Unless you love endless "best of all-time" lists, magazines are obsolete.

[leonaozaki]

RS hasn't been relevant since the mid-70's and I'm being generous here.

I agree with this. I would say the magazine stopped being relevant once the 60's ended.


I had a sub to the mag in the 80's and I always noticed that they would put the most 'hot' thing on the cover for no reason (Lisa Bonet, anyone?)

Yeah, that's their thing. It's never really been just a music magazine; it's always been about celebrities, too: either putting Jann Wenner's friends on the cover or chasing the "zeitgeist" by having Lisa Bonet or Natassia Kinski or Britney Spears take their clothes off.


and would praise the most pretentious music while dissing the hungry, hard rock acts that were coming up. The exceptions seemed to be Metallica and G'n'R.

Uhhh...when has RS ever praised "pretentious" music? I subscribed in the 80's as well and I remember them getting on the New Wave bandwagon a couple of years too late (par for the course with them, really) but I don't remember them praising pretentious music. Of course then we'd have to define what we meant by "pretentious."

And they ignored Metallica until Master of Puppets became a hit record. Even then they didn't really know to cover metal: they reviewed ...And Justice for All and a Bon Jovi record in the same column! And as Howyadoin and I have pointed out many times, they've never reviewed Appetite for Destruction.


The magazine ignoring Kayne, the new G'n'R and The Killers in favor of a Britney cover really seems to be SOP for the magazine. I really wouldn't get too upset about it.

Sad but true.

rob

[howyadoin]

... chasing the "zeitgeist" by having Lisa Bonet or Natassia Kinski or Britney Spears take their clothes off.Here's to chasing the zeitgeist:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/3004112493_ee419d56dc_o.jpg

[berk]

How's the non-music journalism in Rolling Stone nowadays? I haven't looked at it in years, but as late as the early 90s, I thought people like William Greider were turning in some good work for them.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

How's the non-music journalism in Rolling Stone nowadays? I haven't looked at it in years, but as late as the early 90s, I thought people like William Greider were turning in some good work for them.

I have no idea if he wrote it or not....but months back before the election ...RS wrote a great piece of John McCain and the issues he's flip flopped on , his reckless past and what some collegues felt about in Congress. It was a good piece and nails McCain's balls to the wall.

It also showed Obama's tax plan next to McCain's. And how much you'd save.

[howyadoin]

How's the non-music journalism in Rolling Stone nowadays? I haven't looked at it in years, but as late as the early 90s, I thought people like William Greider were turning in some good work for them.Not sure when he left RS, but he's definitely moved on since those days.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07182008/profile2.html

[Jonathan Bogart]

The political guys at Rolling Stone are pretty good, if predictable. (No Hunter S. Thompsons or P. J. O'Rourkes working there these days.) But it's not like you couldn't read the same quality material elsewhere, and not have to sift through a bunch of Boomer ballsac-licking to get to it.

I only read RS online, in fact, and generally only when a blog I follow links to an article.

[Adam C]

Here's to chasing the zeitgeist:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3229/3004112493_ee419d56dc_o.jpg

I have to say that's a pretty well posed, well chosen picture.

[howyadoin]

I have to say that's a pretty well posed, well chosen picture.Webcam + bourbon. No big deal.

[Adam C]

Webcam + bourbon. No big deal.

Ah but the look of weary resignation over the equating of the zeitgeist with Britney...priceless.

(Granted I'm probably interpreting it differently than what you had originally planned.)

[berk]

Ah but the look of weary resignation over the equating of the zeitgeist with Britney...priceless.

(Granted I'm probably interpreting it differently than what you had originally planned.)I see the weary resignation, but also a laudable failure to be impressed, and a definite undercurrent of not 'gonna stop me from enjoyin me bourbon.'

[Black Vespa]

I applaud Rolling Stone for not giving a shit about G'n'R.

-Twi

hear! hear!

as do i, - that goes for that other trite crap the thread creator was whining about. - the killers? - what an aptly named band. - creativity and originality get stabbed, shot and dropped in a trench when these guys get in the studio. kanye west---can we find a more self-aggrandizing, pseudo-intelligent take on hip-hop?

actually, to be honest - i'm quite surprised these bands didn't make cover - that tired, sterile publication and the crap music you mentioned are made for each other.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

hear! hear!

as do i, - that goes for that other trite crap the thread creator was whining about. - the killers? - what an aptly named band. - creativity and originality get stabbed, shot and dropped in a trench when these guys get in the studio. kanye west---can we find a more self-aggrandizing, pseudo-intelligent take on hip-hop?

actually, to be honest - i'm quite surprised these bands didn't make cover - that tired, sterile publication and the crap music you mentioned are made for each other.

So whats new , refreshing and not tired ? Really....I wanna hear this since cleary I am a WHINER....come on...please tell me. PLEASE us whiners need to know ....ENLIGHTEN US !

[Spike-X]

The Killers are a prefectly acceptable mainstream rock/pop band.

Not everybody has to reinvent the wheel every time they walk into a recording studio.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

The Killers are a prefectly acceptable mainstream rock/pop band.

Not everybody has to reinvent the wheel every time they walk into a recording studio.

Hey we rarely agree . But the Killers are a good band and they deserve some coverage. And well...if ya noticed this poster never gave anything to discuss the topic. It was the usual YOUR SHIT SUCKS , I AM SUPERIOR crap ya see at times (a thread on the Comm board is a perfect example weeks back if you remember ).

I wouldn't have cared if the poster gave an example of real creative music. Enlightened us to what is now considered "creative" .

[Black Vespa]

The Killers are a prefectly acceptable mainstream rock/pop band.

Not everybody has to reinvent the wheel every time they walk into a recording studio.


yeah, they may not be reinventing the wheel, and i'll agree, it's not prerequisite for great music, ---the killers are driving while the wheel is blown out and wobbling because the tire needed to be replaced about 20 years ago and the lug nuts aren't quite on tight enough.

[Spike-X]

Somebody's lug nuts aren't quite on tight enough, that's for sure.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Somebody's lug nuts aren't quite on tight enough, that's for sure.

Maybe they are using Goodyear...and hell ...everyone know Firestone is the official tire of real Rocking Good bands now. :tongue:

[Black Vespa]

Hey we rarely agree . But the Killers are a good band and they deserve some coverage. And well...if ya noticed this poster never gave anything to discuss the topic. It was the usual YOUR SHIT SUCKS , I AM SUPERIOR crap ya see at times (a thread on the Comm board is a perfect example weeks back if you remember ).

I wouldn't have cared if the poster gave an example of real creative music. Enlightened us to what is now considered "creative" .

even if i gave you some examples of original music, -you likely wouldn't take it into account. -hey, - it's simply my opinion that the killers sound bland, generic, tired, formulaic and generally uninspired. you disagree. what more can i say?

[Black Vespa]

Somebody's lug nuts aren't quite on tight enough, that's for sure.

why? - because i disagree with your opinion of some band?

[Spike-X]

why? - because i disagree with your opinion of some band?
I don't even know what I meant by that. It was a throwaway one-liner. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

even if i gave you some examples of original music, -you likely wouldn't take it into account. -hey, - it's simply my opinion that the killers sound bland, generic, tired, formulaic and generally uninspired. you disagree. what more can i say?

How would you know this ? Thats the thing about coming in so eager to dismiss this thread topic. Perhaps If you had listed some bands or music thats out currently maybe I would have agreed. Ya never know what some in this thread would think....I'm pretty sure a lot of us are more open and gave it a fair listen.

[Black Vespa]

btw, Chinese Democracy being called a GunsnRoses album is a travesty....

what a soulless, turgid affair.

[Spike-X]

Chinese Democracy being called a GunsnRoses album is a travesty....

Hi! Welcome to six months ago!

what a soulless, turgid affair.

Your FACE is a soulless, turgid affair!

[Black Vespa]

How would you know this ? Thats the thing about coming in so eager to dismiss this thread topic. Perhaps If you had listed some bands or music thats out currently maybe I would have agreed. Ya never know what some in this thread would think....I'm pretty sure a lot of us are more open and gave it a fair listen.

out currently? - great music is timeless. it'd be a shame if we were all only interested in what's just been released in the here and now. most of what i've come to like grows on me over time. -

[howyadoin]

Ah but the look of weary resignation over the equating of the zeitgeist with Britney...priceless.

(Granted I'm probably interpreting it differently than what you had originally planned.)
I see the weary resignation, but also a laudable failure to be impressed, and a definite undercurrent of not 'gonna stop me from enjoyin me bourbon.'Yeah, mostly what I was getting at was, I'll drink to the hot chick of the day taking her clothes off.

[Black Vespa]

Your FACE is a soulless, turgid affair!

LOL... touche. i'll have to get back to you on that.

[Adam C]

kanye west---can we find a more self-aggrandizing, pseudo-intelligent take on hip-hop?

I get the self-aggrandizement, but pseudo-intelligent? What's that?

[Spike-X]

Yeah, I'm struggling to find anything even psuedo-intelligent about Kanye West's music.

[Black Vespa]

I get the self-aggrandizement, but pseudo-intelligent? What's that?

he comes comes across as pretentious to me.

[Black Vespa]

Yeah, I'm struggling to find anything even psuedo-intelligent about Kanye West's music.

don't hurt yourself.

[Adam C]

he comes comes across as pretentious to me.

Okay, how so? I'm curious.

[howyadoin]

don't hurt yourself.Okay, that was funny.

[Black Vespa]

if you can't take the word

Pretentious :

characterized by pretension: making usually unjustified or excessive claims: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature:

and apply it in context to a number of his songs and his overall attitude, - then i don't know what to say to you. -i can't crack you over the head with a bat labeled "pretentious" to help you better understand.

[Spike-X]

Okay, that was funny.
Yeah, I'll pay that one.

[bfrank]

Hey maybe they'll discuss Britney fashion and you'll be happy ! I hear she has some awesome hair and all...




That would have more substance than anything that chuck austen ever wrote.....

[SUPERECWFAN1]

That would have more substance than anything that chuck austen ever wrote.....

When did Chuck Austen do music ? And if he did....damn I can bet it is way more awesome knowing the wild shit he did in Uncanny X-Men !

[bfrank]

When did Chuck Austen do music ? And if he did....damn I can bet it is way more awesome knowing the wild shit he did in Uncanny X-Men !

about the same time I discussed fashion....

but you're right, he would be shitty.....much like chinese democracy.......

[bfrank]

I guess the real point is if Axel rose can't be bothered promoting this shitty album, why should Rolling Stone......

[SUPERECWFAN1]

about the same time I discussed fashion....

but you're right, he would be shitty.....much like chinese democracy.......

Why tease me like that ? Knowing how great Austen was....knowing how he kicked ass , you bought it ...and had to eat it good during his Uncanny X-Men run. Austen rules the Universe like Axl Rose does.

Could Britney go 10-12 years and not release an album ? Fuck no....because society is geared to move forward . She's forgettable....she's just a platinum blond who is co-co for CoCo Puffs. Lost her kids for that reason and is held togethor by a ball of string her daddy gotta work with....

While Axl Rose ....yes he's a dick headed bastard. But guess what....you bought the album. You may hate yourself , claim its so BAAAAAD but in the morning when you wake up.... Axl Rose made you buy an album 12-14 years . Hell ya claim you didn't miss Guns n Roses .... but yet you bought the album.

I don't know whats worse...buying an album you knew you'd hate...or putting money in Axl Rose's hands. Just like all those suckers who claimed they hated Chuck Austen...yet read his work month in....month out.
And guess what....your still discussing Chuck Austen....just like Axl Rose. :evilsmile:

[Spike-X]

guess what....you bought the album. You may hate yourself , claim its so BAAAAAD but in the morning when you wake up.... Axl Rose made you buy an album 12-14 years . Hell ya claim you didn't miss Guns n Roses .... but yet you bought the album.

I didn't buy the album. And I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that bfrank didn't, either.

[Brian Cronin]

There's much better ways of expressing your dissatisfaction with another poster's positions than insulting them. Use them.

-Brian

[Lupek]

Rolling Stone gave Chinese Democracy 4 out of 5 stars so I wouldn't be too mad at them. That is 4 stars too many in my opinion.

I just listened to the entire album on youtube and it is so bland and mediocre that it is hard to imagine that it took this long for the record to come out. And I dont say it is awful because it doesn't sound like the old Guns and Roses. It is awful all on it's own.

Someone said it earlier in the thread and I agree, Rolling Stone hasn't mattered in decades.

[ZombieHavoc]

I'm not attacking or anything, superecwfan, but whenever I read your posts, I pictured this hulked out Swedish Chef going berzerk about GNR.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm not attacking or anything, superecwfan, but whenever I read your posts, I pictured this hulked out Swedish Chef going berzerk about GNR.

Ha ha ha.....hey I know your not attacking me.

What gets me is that your not the 1st to say this . I mean I've had some call me a sicko , some call me crazed. And its either my posting style or some actually believe I am insane (maybe I am ). And mix the Swedish Chef avator I have carried since I joined CBR....and I think its wild.

I wanna dispel some things...


1.) I do not pray to a shrine of Axl Rose in my room. I don't even have a poster of the band. My old one ripped in a move and it broke my heart. So no poster to bow and ask The Axl Rose for guidance.

2.) I am not gonna change my middle name to Axl , Slash , Buckethead , or anyone. I am thinking Izzy and Duff would be cool.

3.) Yes ...for the 1,00TH Million time...I know its not Guns n Roses without all the original members. You know how many times I've heard this in person and online ?

4.) I am a sweet guy. Ask many here. I can handle as much as anyone not liking my music taste. Ask the gang on the Comm board. I have drove em crazy for years of my love of Guns n Roses. And they have gave me shit for it. I don't mind a great fun debate on issues regarding the band ect ect. I enjoy it....I just don't like a constant negative "Fuck you , fuck you" attitude ...irks me I admit.

5.) I am happy to see that Velvet Revolver is doing their thing now. And if that dude from Million Dollar Reload works ...thats just 2 bands making great music and gives fans the styles they want. With VR your gonna get the ex-G'n'R members doing the type of rock they love . With Guns n Roses , your gonna get these big epic songs that Rose likes. Best of both worlds really.



Now with all that....I will leave you. I must go and ask the Buckethead to talk to me thru his great guitar work on Chinese Democracy. :tongue:

[pariah-1972]

Read somewhere that the problem is Rolling Stone feels that they need to compete with Maxum and other men's magazines so that means rock bands are out and hot chicks (or formerly hot chicks) are in.

[leonaozaki]

Read somewhere that the problem is Rolling Stone feels that they need to compete with Maxum and other men's magazines so that means rock bands are out and hot chicks (or formerly hot chicks) are in.

I've read or heard almost identical arguments. Good luck with that, RS.

rob

[pariah-1972]

I've read or heard almost identical arguments. Good luck with that, RS.

robYeah that's pretty retarded thinking since Maxum is not a music magazine and Rolling Stone should be selling more.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Read somewhere that the problem is Rolling Stone feels that they need to compete with Maxum and other men's magazines so that means rock bands are out and hot chicks (or formerly hot chicks) are in.

I've read or heard almost identical arguments. Good luck with that, RS.

rob

Yeah that's pretty retarded thinking since Maxum is not a music magazine and Rolling Stone should be selling more.

That seems to get us back to my thread topic...:tongue:

[jessecuster3]

if you can't take the word

Pretentious :

characterized by pretension: making usually unjustified or excessive claims: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature:

and apply it in context to a number of his songs and his overall attitude, - then i don't know what to say to you. -i can't crack you over the head with a bat labeled "pretentious" to help you better understand.

Can you show me a hip-hop artist who isn't pretentious by your standard?

[pariah-1972]

You're welcome i am glad to be of service:smile: