Doom neutered again! (Millar's FF Spoilers)

[Norrin Radd]

In an interview with Newsarama, Mark Millar talks about a new threat to both Doom and the FF. There be spoilers here.

I dunno...there's only so much you can do to a villain before he becomes just a shadow of his former self.

I mean, I get that being a villain, Doom's always got to be beaten.

But couldn't they make it so that he can at least maintain a modicum of self respect?

First, he's humiliated by Bendis in Mighty Avengers. Now by the time Millar is done with him...well, you can read for yourself...


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So it just kind of blew my mind when I started conceiving the idea that there was a guy that bigger and more evil than Doctor Doom—like this sort of old man that Doom knelt down on one knee for when he saw him. That guy is now coming back—and there’s this idea that 20 years ago, Doom made a promise to concur everything and honor this guy by making a name for himself throughout the cosmos. Now, this guy is back and he’s looking at everything that Doom has achieved during this time that he’s been away...

He’s only known as Wyncham—he has ties to the Fantastic Four. He’s like the coachman to the Marquis of Death; he’s the guy who takes him from universe to universe and they just destroy everything together. They just go around the multi-verse destroying everything—they are the opposite of life. Doom found out about these people and he wanted to learn from them; so, they agreed to take him on—under the condition that he become as much of a bad ass as they are.

The death of Doctor Doom...a new Doctor Doom coming to make up for how the old one has absolutely failed—and he’s going to try to destroy everything overnight.

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[XPac]

We'll of course have to read the actual books to truelly judge it. But a lot of this does sort of leave a bad taste in my mouth.

The idea of Doom turning into someone else's underling isn't terribly appealing.

[Beast]

Well. Darth Vader took some inspiration from Doctor Doom.

So it's about time that Marvel returned the favor and created Doom's Emperor.

And I don't really see what the big problem is about establishing a Mentor for Doom.

[XPac]

Well. Darth Vader took some inspiration from Doctor Doom.

So it's about time that Marvel returned the favor and created Doom's Emperor.

And I don't really see what the big problem is about establishing a Mentor for Doom.

A mentor is one thing. But if it's established that Doom is an underling to these guys, it's a different story.

Doom shouldn't play second fiddle to anyone. As villains go, he's da man.

[DeadXMan]

Well. Darth Vader took some inspiration from Doctor Doom.

So it's about time that Marvel returned the favor and created Doom's Emperor.

And I don't really see what the big problem is about establishing a Mentor for Doom.


Doom needs no mentor. He is Doom! He has conquered both Earths, Took the Powers of Gods, master of both science and mystical realms, literally unleashed Hell on on his enemies, and invented the Pimp Cup

[Stantheman23]

Doom is my hero

[DeadXMan]

Doom is Love!

[LungerTony]

I don't like the sound of Doom being someone's underling. But who know...if it is written well, it could be great.

Kind of like how "Lady Bullseye concept" sound terrible, but the story is great so far.

[TheBoTT]

that could be a very big spoiler article, i kind of wish i hadn't of read it. Now we know how it ties into 1985 i guess. I'm really interested in the connections between those 2 and old man logan.

[Expletive Deleted]

And I don't really see what the big problem is about establishing a Mentor for Doom.The problem is that Doom acknowledging someone as superior to him in some way is completely antithetical to the core of the character's established personality.

Even putting the whole Richards thing aside . . . in Waid's "Unthinkable," all he had to do to retain his mystical power upgrade and avoid being sucked into Hell was remember that he owed everything to his demonic patrons. And he couldn't do it. Doom's defining quality is his ego.

Now, if that's not how it plays out, if it's a more a standard teacher/student relationship or something along those lines, then I'm completely off base and everything's peachy. It's just Millar's "knelt down on one knee" comment? That's . . . really not very Doom-y.

[Norrin Radd]

"No one rivals Doom! No one! There is no power on Earth, no intellect in all creation, to equal mine!"

-Doom, FF #258

[DeadXMan]

God I hope Waid comes back to fix this soon

[XPac]

God I hope Waid comes back to fix this soon

We can try and be optimistic, and hope that Millar does a good enough job so that it won't need fixing. Though honestly Millar has lost the benefit of the doubt after Civil War.

[DeadXMan]

We can try and be optimistic, and hope that Millar does a good enough job so that it won't need fixing. Though honestly Millar has lost the benefit of the doubt after Civil War.

it took Bru to give CW the best ending a comic event could have.

[Beast]

it took Bru to give CW the best ending a comic event could have.
You mean Whedon. Or are you referring to the Death of Cap. Which wasn't really CW.

[Nefarius]

Doom as an underling would look very out-of-character considering that Doom considers himself as the best and all the others as his underlings.I'll give Millar a chance.In the end,if it's a bad story they can simply retcon it of being just a ineffective Doombot.:wink:

[ZT4]

FF's dipping back into territory I despised in the 1990s. I'm sure this fits in the "Dark Rider" catergory of villains we'll never see again after a certain period/run

[Dagger]

You mean Whedon. Or are you referring to the Death of Cap. Which wasn't really CW.
Yes it was. It even had a banner across it that said Casualties of War, being an obvious reference to Civil War. And Brubaker's Cap>Everything written by Whedon @ Marvel.

[Karthak]

Doom a henchman? The guy is completely incapable of playing second fiddle to anyone...

[Whitster]

"No one rivals Doom! No one! There is no power on Earth, no intellect in all creation, to equal mine!"

-Doom, FF #258

"Dooms codpiece is full of respect"

-Agent X #15

[Slyfer]

DOOM a man that stared a potential GOD the Beyonder in the Face, kick him in the Gonads and stole his powers, Whooped the Silver Surfers' ass, TOOK on the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and the X-men all at once and whooped their collective asses. Doom who considers everyone else a FOOL! , Second fiddle to someone else ??? We are basically talking about thee most stubborn bastard ever created in a ficitional medium, DOOM literally spat in the face of HELL and told it to go F#$K itself, cause NO ONE CONTROLS DOOM! HECK THE GUY SPEAKS IN THIRD PERSON TO HIMSELF!!

Seriously Millar better come really good. I find it hard believing DOOM has a master, someone more terryfing than him. You know DOOM is a badass, when even if his name is mentioned other heroes and villians cower in fear LOL

[Leunames]

I don't even care or read too much about Doom and this irritates me. Doom has some mentor, some benefactor who is the "coachman" for the marquis of Death? Aside from all the similarities between this purported situation and Thanos' former situation...Doom has usurped the Beyonder's power, stolen a cosmic cube, stripped the Power Cosmic from Galactus, literally grappled for possession of the Infinity Gauntlet...and now Millar has Doom subservient to the errand bitch of the errand bitch of Death, when all the powers Doom had previously taken were either Death's equal or her superior.

I never liked Millar's work. It says something about the substance of a writer's stories when he can stir ire in a reader who doesn't even follow the character the writer is using.

Of course this is before actual execution of the project...but from the description so far, all I see is an extremely week justification on Millar's part for Doom "kneeling on one knee" to someone. As if Doom never thought of blowing away this "Wyncham" with the Beyonder's or Galactus' power at his comfortable, convient disposal.

[Lord S]

Ugh, my stomach just turned after reading about this. It was bad enough seeing Doom play second fiddle to Magneto in HoM...now this.

What a disgrace.

Now is a good time to get out of reading comics...with the new editorial mandate being to drastically alter popular and mainstay characters, it's clear that we're no longer Marvel's target audience.

Millar is a hack...just look at Civil Bore.

[stillanerd]

Millar has got to be describing one of Doom's android duplicates, because there is no way Doom, given his level of power, intellect, and arrogance, would ever subjugate himself to anybody or anything, let alone some "mentor." Hell, even if Doom had a mentor, he would have killed him without hesitation once he got what he wanted from him. Course, considering this is the same guy that wrote Civil War in which characters had to act out of character in order to advance the plot, then this sounds like business as usual from him.

[JdRavnos]

I could maybe seeing it work. It just depends on Doom's motivation. How many times has he teamed up with heroes or villians, only to turn on them after he's gotten what he's wanted from them? This could easily be the same thing. Doom learned what he could from this Wyncham guy and any knee-bowing was just a pretense and figured he'd deal with him later if they ever popped back into this reality. Certainly Doom is vain enough to feel that even a cosmic entity that destroys universes for kicks is still beneath Doom and should he ever return to Doom's Earth he would be dealt with.

But the last part about the death of Doctor Doom is a bit bothersome, I hope we're not getting something like the 90s where a new villian kills off the old one to prove how kewl they are. But on the other hand it's Doom. Even if Millar intends, with all sincerity, to kill off Doom, within three or four years, tops, they'll reveal it was a Doombot or some other loophole to bring him back.

[Grapeweasel]

I assume everything Millar adds to FF will be just as quickly discarded by the next creative team.

[K Von Doom]

The last quote sums up how the writer doesn't really understand the Dr Doom character - "Doom absolutely failed in destroying everything?" Victor was never in the business of destroying everything. Not one in any of his appearances did he state that he wanted to destroy everything - destroy the Fantastic Four? yes - but destroy everything? No. It goes against the character's motivations the past 45 years. If that was his actual goal, to please this Wyncham fellow, Doom would have done so when he obtained the Cosmic Cube, Surfer's Power, Beyonder's Power or the boon from Dr Strange.

And there's already a character bigger and badder than Dr Doom, his name is Thanos. The Mad Titan would have been a better candidate for this Wyncham fellow, as it's in line with Thanos' nihilist attitude

[americocaine]

This is just stupid including the fact they change him for Dark Reign too? I doubt it but they are getting a new "Sorcerer Supreme". So anything is possible. Dead spouses, babies with no mothers. What in the hell will they think of next?

[TheAmazingSpidey]

Wyncham...as in..."related to 1985 written by Mark Millar" Wyncham?

Hmm.

Well, I know Millar says all his stuff will be connected or whatever, but, uh...yeah, Doom being someone's bitch is bull. I hope this story isn't as bad as it sounds, and Doom ends up bitchslapping this guy. Doom someone's..."henchman?" No. NO! You do not do that to Doctor Doom. Nuh-uh. No, sir. You do not.

I like Millar, so I'll reserve further judgment, but I'll say that I will like him a lot less if he turns Doom into some guy's "henchman" and doesn't reveal that Doom was just using the guy, or somethin'.

[XPac]

The last quote sums up how the writer doesn't really understand the Dr Doom character - "Doom absolutely failed in destroying everything?" Victor was never in the business of destroying everything. Not one in any of his appearances did he state that he wanted to destroy everything - destroy the Fantastic Four? yes - but destroy everything? No. It goes against the character's motivations the past 45 years. If that was his actual goal, to please this Wyncham fellow, Doom would have done so when he obtained the Cosmic Cube, Surfer's Power, Beyonder's Power or the boon from Dr Strange.

And there's already a character bigger and badder than Dr Doom, his name is Thanos. The Mad Titan would have been a better candidate for this Wyncham fellow, as it's in line with Thanos' nihilist attitude

I agree, the whole "destroying everything" motivation is completely out of left field. We're not talking Thanos here.

If anything, I'd argue no villain has tried harder to help save the universe than Doom. For many of the big threats, he's right there side by side with the heroes fighting to save the earth or the universe.

The one saving grace here is that Doom is one of the easiest characters to retcon if Millar does end up screwing this up. As many others have said, we can just chalk it up to a doombot and forget about it.

[lonewolf23k]

There's only one way this storyline concept could redeem itself to me...

...if it ends with Doom slaying the Marquis, going "There is only ONE Doom!"

[CaptainOtter]

There's only one way this storyline concept could redeem itself to me...

...if it ends with Doom slaying the Marquis, going "There is only ONE Doom!"

I completely support this ending. Doom has had enough losses (grumble grumble....), lets see him tare this newcomer apart. The only time Doom will ever kneel to someone is when he wants to get on their good side so he can eventually destroy them. People are saying that Vader borrows a bit of Dr. Doom, and that this guy will be like the Emperor. Well, we all know how that ends...

[MichaelChen]

Yeah, the "destroy everything" line is really out of character. Doom isn't a nihilist. Doom is a metaphor for intensely paternalistic authoritarianism. He wants everyone to be safe and happy and orderly and eternally grateful and subservient to Doom for creating such a paradise. He's basically everything wrong with even an idealized version of Marxist-Leninism.

Villains basically fall into five catagories:

(1)Villains who are simply greedy. Most thug villains and a few of the smarter villains like Taskmaster and Crimson Cowl.

(2)Villains who want to create a perfect, orderly world where everyone is happy and they control everything. Doom, Magneto.

(3)Villains who worship survival of the fittest and are basically the embodiment of Nietzschean ideals and social Darwinism. The flipside of the paternalistic authoritarian villains, these guys want to create a perfect world via chaos and a pruning of the weak. Apocalypse and The Mandarin are in this category. Red Skull seems like he should be in this catagory, but as actually written seems to be in catagory four.

(4)Villains who embody sheer loathsomeness. These are villains who are cruel for cruelty's sake. Filled with hate and perversity, they are like humanoid roaches. Most versions of Red Skull are in this category, as are Nitro, Canage, and most versions of Joker.

(5)Villains who worship and embody Nihilism. Thanos is obviously in this catagory, as is the movie version of Joker . For these characters, Nihilism isn't simply a philosophy, it is a sacred religion worthy of supreme devotion and reverence. (Indeed, the movie version of Joker acts like a kind of High Priest of Nihilism, trying to get everyone to believe in it as he does.)

Millar, from what I've seen, only really believes in one kind of villain, really: catagory (4). In Millar's mind, all villains are pathetic and loathesome. They might have some thin veneer of being catagory 5 or 1, but at heart they are all 4's, and expose themselves as such almost immediately in any encounter.

Doom is not a character that someone like Millar can write well. He's a catagory 2 villain, and those don't even exist in Millar's world. He's also supposed to have a certain Paradise Lost granduer, and THAT most certainly does not exist in Millar's "all villains are obviously pathetic" universe.

[CyberCoyote]

Now, if that's not how it plays out, if it's a more a standard teacher/student relationship or something along those lines, then I'm completely off base and everything's peachy. It's just Millar's "knelt down on one knee" comment? That's . . . really not very Doom-y.

Only reasons Doom goes down on one knee is to crush someone's throat with said knee or to get a better look at something he's about to destroy. He wouldn't bow to Galactus or the Beyonder.. no matter how 'bloody powerful' this guy is he's not beyond warping reality so he's no more than Thanos with the Gauntlet or The Beyonder. All Doom does is try to TAKE that power away, never kneel before it.

[MichaelChen]

[Millar-mode]But that wouldn't be pathetic and loathesome. And all villains are pathetic and loathesome.[/Millar-mode]

[DeadXMan]

You mean Whedon. Or are you referring to the Death of Cap. Which wasn't really CW.

cap 25 ended the CW

end of story

[gorthon616]

SOME AT MARVEL PLEASE TELL YOUR WRITERS TO GET THE F%*#&@* BACK IN LINE.
HAVE SOME BALLS FOR ONCE. PLEASE.

Thank you for your time.

[Tinder]

Seems like a very mad idea to me.

I can understand Millar, as a writer, wanting create a completely bad-arsed villain of his own and insert him into continuity. I also understand that in the context of comic book fans - new heroes and villains are usually not as highly thought of as characters who have been in continuity for 40+ years. Having a new character hitch a ride on an established character's coat-tails is one thing, having Marvel's premier bad guy bowing down to him is quite something else. What are they thinking with this? It seems wrong in so many ways.

I've recently returned to comics after a break of 20 years, and for the most part, I love what I'm reading. Millar I don't know too much about, but I enjoyed his Ultimates, really liked Wolverine: Enemy of the State/Agent of Shield, and by and large I liked the main book of Civil War (except that Cap seemed too much like Ultimate Cap for my liking - love Ultimate Cap don't get me wrong - but the two are different) and I was looking forward to reading Millar's FF run in Trade (not read any FF since Secret Wars II...:D) So I am hoping that this turns out for the best - as others have said I'm not averse to Doom having had a mentor in the past (on his way up the ladder so to speak) but the very idea of Doom still bowing down to somebody is too strange to contemplate. I guess it all comes down to whether you have faith in Millar or not?

Uh... waffled on there a bit. Hope that makes some kind of sense.

[Norrin Radd]

SOME AT MARVEL PLEASE TELL YOUR WRITERS TO GET THE F%*#&@* BACK IN LINE.
HAVE SOME BALLS FOR ONCE. PLEASE.

Thank you for your time.

I'll second this.

[K Von Doom]

Whoever this new fellow is, he better be a whole 'nother level of badass because Doom never knelt down on one knee to the Beyonder, merely used Galactus & his worldship as a power source, had the audacity to physically try and wrest the Infinity Gauntlet from Thanos and had yearly duels with mystic beings for his mom's soul. If Doom never knelt down on one knee to those universe-busting characters, this new fellow better be a whole lot more than those guys. The humblest I've seen Doom is when he bowed before the Vishanti as a sign of respect, as all the sorcerers did in the contest; but he was still standing on that occasion.

[Frank]

As much I would like to see Doom reign supreme, I'm intrigued by how his master is going to be. Marvel rarely comes up with important new characters these days.

[JdRavnos]

I agree, the whole "destroying everything" motivation is completely out of left field. We're not talking Thanos here.

Keep in mind that Millar never says Doom desires to destroy everything. He says he came to Wyncham to learn some stuff and that Wyncham comes to Doom years later and (in Wyncham's eyes, not necessarily Doom's) see he's failed the mission to destroy everything. Again this comes down to how Millar excutes the story. He's rather hit and miss for me so I'm not going to hold my breath, but at the same time I could see that the story could possibly work.

[Qoorl]

I'm reminded of Cobra Commander and....Cobra-La. And not in a good way.

[G. Wayne]

Eh, Millar must be thinking of Bendis' "cow mouth" Doom-bot.

Whoever this new fellow is, he better be a whole 'nother level of badass because Doom never knelt down on one knee to the Beyonder...

A cool image, that.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_ecQs8DYHiTY/SGklHNuRcjI/AAAAAAAABNI/ZS3Ytr45PRA/s400/CoverUpSecretWarsNo10.jpg

[Qoorl]

Yep... it won't be long now till Doom's voice been hightened to a sibbilant whiny hiss. The 'Nu and Kool' Millarvillians will be passing judgements on his failures and he'll be protesting that they are all "Liiiieeeessss, Slanderous Sedicioussss Lieeeessss!" I figure this Whynam or whatever guy will resemble Burgess Meredith and have a powerfu henchman with no speaking lines... Millar just needs to bring aboard a Past His Prime Wrestler to join the heroes.

















Man the G.I. Joe movie sucked...

[James Conniff]

The problem is that Doom acknowledging someone as superior to him in some way is completely antithetical to the core of the character's established personality.

Even putting the whole Richards thing aside . . . in Waid's "Unthinkable," all he had to do to retain his mystical power upgrade and avoid being sucked into Hell was remember that he owed everything to his demonic patrons. And he couldn't do it. Doom's defining quality is his ego.

Now, if that's not how it plays out, if it's a more a standard teacher/student relationship or something along those lines, then I'm completely off base and everything's peachy. It's just Millar's "knelt down on one knee" comment? That's . . . really not very Doom-y.
It could be doomy as long as he actually plans to stab the big guys in the back after learning from them.

But I do have to say these new big bads sound kinda like the Anti Monitor from over in DC.

[K Von Doom]

EA cool image, that.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_ecQs8DYHiTY/SGklHNuRcjI/AAAAAAAABNI/ZS3Ytr45PRA/s400/CoverUpSecretWarsNo10.jpg

Well... it doesn't really take a genius to figure out what's happening in that scene

[diablo7]

i'm glad i quit getting fantastic four after the end of millar's first arc... millar the new bendis

[Iron Maiden]

This sounds worse with every new interview Millar gives. I hope he goes all Hollywood and stays there. That's a shallow enough place for him. Now that Roger Stern is actually being used by Marvel again, maybe one day he can fix the mess that Millar is bound to make with the character.:biggrin:

[Alan2099]

Man the G.I. Joe movie sucked...
I liked it.

[BeastieRunner]

Unless Doom kills his "Mentor" I am out for this story.

Doom kneels before nobody!

[Magneto Rocks]

And still people moan despite knowing virtually nothing about this. And really, if you're judging everything Millar says in interviews to be the absolute truth with no hyperbole, you clearly have no experience of the man at all. I am confident enough to make this statement; not only will Doom not be 'neutered' in this story, but by the time it is over he will have had at least one extremely badass moment (As he just had in the latest issue) and will come out looking better than he did before. (Probably after taking vengeance on at least one of his masters.) Were I a betting man, I'd place a sizable wager on it.

[ZeoVGM]

We can try and be optimistic, and hope that Millar does a good enough job so that it won't need fixing. Though honestly Millar has lost the benefit of the doubt after Civil War.

... So he lost the benefit of the doubt on a 2 and a half year old mini he did, yet somehow the fantastic Old Man Logan and Kick-Ass, as well as the very good War Heroes, Fantastic Four, and 1985, don't make up for that? Okay.

[mikekerr3]

... So he lost the benefit of the doubt on a 2 and a half year old mini he did, yet somehow the fantastic Old Man Logan and Kick-Ass, as well as the very good War Heroes, Fantastic Four, and 1985, don't make up for that? Okay.

Millar is great as long as he stays away from 616 continuity stories, there he writes like he has never bothered to read any of the back issues and like he doesn't care.

The CW was mostly him mangling characters to fit the story completely ignoring decades of characterization. His work on the FF was in my opinion even worse that the CW,

[gorthon616]

... So he lost the benefit of the doubt on a 2 and a half year old mini he did, yet somehow the fantastic Old Man Logan and Kick-Ass, as well as the very good War Heroes, Fantastic Four, and 1985, don't make up for that? Okay.

Well, I for one haven't liked anything from him since Ultimates, which I enjoyed, though the end was a bit disappointing. So no, it doesn't make up for it at all. Millar is pretty much overrated imo.

[jdwrocks]

Millar is great as long as he stays away from 616 continuity stories, there he writes like he has never bothered to read any of the back issues and like he doesn't care.

The CW was mostly him mangling characters to fit the story completely ignoring decades of characterization. His work on the FF was in my opinion even worse that the CW,
I couldn't have said it any better.

[Alan2099]

Millar strikes me as one of those writers that's not nearly as clever and deep as he likes to think he is.

[Toonimator]

Man the G.I. Joe movie sucked...
...but the title sequence was great!

Sure, it was a 3-minute commercial for nearly every pre-movie toy Hasbro made, but it was still cool.

Oh, and...

Doom is no lackey!

[Wind-Breaker]

Doom needs no mentor. He is Doom! He has conquered both Earths, Took the Powers of Gods, master of both science and mystical realms, literally unleashed Hell on on his enemies, and invented the Pimp Cup

And that my friends is going into my sig :biggrin:

[gorthon616]

Millar strikes me as one of those writers that's not nearly as clever and deep as he likes to think he is.

YES. The man with the Slapstick avatar speaks the truth.

[K Von Doom]

Millar strikes me as one of those writers that's not nearly as clever and deep as he likes to think he is.

QFMFT :cool:

[Cicero]

Yeah, the "destroy everything" line is really out of character. Doom isn't a nihilist. Doom is a metaphor for intensely paternalistic authoritarianism. He wants everyone to be safe and happy and orderly and eternally grateful and subservient to Doom for creating such a paradise. He's basically everything wrong with even an idealized version of Marxist-Leninism.

Villains basically fall into five catagories:

(1)Villains who are simply greedy. Most thug villains and a few of the smarter villains like Taskmaster and Crimson Cowl.

(2)Villains who want to create a perfect, orderly world where everyone is happy and they control everything. Doom, Magneto.

(3)Villains who worship survival of the fittest and are basically the embodiment of Nietzschean ideals and social Darwinism. The flipside of the paternalistic authoritarian villains, these guys want to create a perfect world via chaos and a pruning of the weak. Apocalypse and The Mandarin are in this category. Red Skull seems like he should be in this catagory, but as actually written seems to be in catagory four.

(4)Villains who embody sheer loathsomeness. These are villains who are cruel for cruelty's sake. Filled with hate and perversity, they are like humanoid roaches. Most versions of Red Skull are in this category, as are Nitro, Canage, and most versions of Joker.

(5)Villains who worship and embody Nihilism. Thanos is obviously in this catagory, as is the movie version of Joker . For these characters, Nihilism isn't simply a philosophy, it is a sacred religion worthy of supreme devotion and reverence. (Indeed, the movie version of Joker acts like a kind of High Priest of Nihilism, trying to get everyone to believe in it as he does.)

There are at least three more categories of villain:

(6) Villains who mostly just want to be left alone. Solomon Grundy, the Hulk (when a villain), Namor (when a villain), and the Mole Man fall into this category. These characters aren't evil, and aren't out to get anyone, but usually act after being purposefully or accidentally interfered with. This category might even include villains whose reasonable interests are in conflict with ours, such as the Inhumans from time to time.

(7) Villains who are true monsters. The Lizard (from my understanding; I've never actually seen a comic with the Lizard in it), Killer Croc (I think) and the Ultimate Frightful Four are of this category. Often, true monsters are focused on eating, and their prey is typically all too human. Millar has written this type well.

(8) Villains who are essentially tricksters. Loki (when written properly), Arcade (to some extent; he sets clear 'rules' for his engagements, which are intended to amuse him), and the Riddler are of this type. These villains are focused on the cosmic jokes they're pursuing, and tend to be indifferent to the harm they cause, often for lack of even noticing it next to their jokes. I thought Millar wrote this type of villain well in Ultimate Loki, who didn't seem to understand how unfunny and unappreciated his actions were, even as Thor's hammer struck him down.